Patriots vs. Jets game thread

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Since only getting 3 hours of sleep results in me waking up early having to kill 3 hours before football, I might as well make this thread. This would be complete an awesome sports weekend, so please New England don't fuck it up.

As long as they win I don't give a shit, but Randy Moss having a huge day against Revis would be great.

[badfish22]

Im in the same boat tbh. Just kinda sitting around waiting for 12.

lol Revis talking smack

[badfish22]

sup mono

lol being up at 8

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol being up at 6 when I passed out at 3
lol my weird sleeping habits
lol Rex Ryan's fatness

[monosylab1k]

i like that belichick signed the jets player and is gonna make him a captain today, just like what Fat Fuck did last year with Kevin O'Connell.

[monosylab1k]

I hope for the Patriots to kick ass only because then Belichick will have a shit eating grin on his face as he goes to shake Fat Fuck's hand. tbh I'd love it if Fat Fuck either refused to shake or did the classic Belichick nanosecond handshake as he's turning to leave.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

i like that belichick signed the jets player and is gonna make him a captain today, just like what Fat Fuck did last year with Kevin O'Connell.
:lmao I noticed that too. I used to not mind him but everytime I see him talk I just hate that triple chinned faggot Rex Ryan more and more.

[LOL texans]

Pats got this.

[DPG21920]

lol Moss.

[symple19]

Yeah, the Pats should win. They looked a helluva lot better than I thought they would last week

[lotr1trekkie]

If I were T-Rex I would put Revis on Welker on key downs. Cromartie has the size and speed to match up with Moss. Welker is a Jets' killer. Revis will make some plays against him. Force Brady away from WW. Moss will burn Croamartie once but Welker will advance the ball down the field.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Cromartie has the size and speed to match up with anyone but that has nothing to do with being the retarded dipshit he is who gives up big plays.

[badfish22]

Im in the same boat tbh. Just kinda sitting around waiting for 12.

lol me falling asleep and waking up just now

[badfish22]

:lmao :lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao

Gronk just scored for the cowboys

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It ain't like I'm rooting against the other Gronk. Good to see him playing well. I'm playing the Bears' D in fantasy so that helps me.


Speaking of Gronk tho, he's gonna need to step up today since Welker and Moss are gonna be covered well.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Randy Moss is THAT nigga

[balli]

God, beautiful TD Brady to Moss. Gorgeous. lol Revis.

[IronMexican]

Revis got burnt

[gaKNOW!blee]

lol revis got shit on by a "slouch"

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And yeah Hernandez >>>>>>>>> Gronk as a receiving tight end but hey whatever works.

[monosylab1k]

:lmao how predictable was that. the first time Moss jizzes in Revis' face, Revis makes sure national television sees him grabbing his hamstring.

Unfortunately for that dumbass, Phil Simms of all people already outed his "injury" as not affecting speed.

:cry great fuckin acting job after getting burned

[HarlemHeat37]

I need the Pats to win by 7+ and the Raiders to win by 4+ and I win 265$(since San Diego is already going to cover, and NO is a lock)..:lol betting on the Raiders..

Revis is an overrated pussy anyways..

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I think that hammy injury was never legit, it was the Jets trying to mimic Brady's shoulder injury every week.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol the hatred for the Patriots here is beyond funny..

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Jets fans already bringing up Revis's hammy..

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

God dammit Nick Folk

more fuckin U of A greatness :cry

[gaKNOW!blee]

lol at LT acting like he won a superbowl after every first down...thats what you're supposed to do faggot

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol at LT acting like he won a superbowl after every first down...thats what you're supposed to do faggot
He's exposing himself as a giant baby back bitch the way he's expecting so much praise for actually working hard.

[IronMexican]

I had no idea Bills and Broncos fans slobbed on the Pats knob.

[gaKNOW!blee]

I had no idea Bills and Broncos fans slobbed on the Pats knob.

both of my comments have been anti Jets, not really pro Patriots.

i just think the jets are the biggest group of faggots the nfl has ever seen...i hate the patriots too but the only reason i have to dislike them is that they beat the bills every single time they play and win superbowls.

[gaKNOW!blee]

oh and lol tuck rule

[IronMexican]

Never forget week 2 of that one season where Lawyer Milloy was some huge x-factor. Never forget.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

God dammit this game shouldn't be so close. They need to be taking advantage of all these injuries.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Never forget week 2 of that one season where Lawyer Milloy was some huge x-factor. Never forget.

actually it was week 1. get it right.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

This defense is getting absolutely shredded through the air.

[HarlemHeat37]

Patriots trying to cost me money..even the Raiders are covering the spread right now, that was the game I worried most about..I thought New England was a lock to win by 7+, TBH..

Watching Tomlinson play well makes me want to throw up, TBH..

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

God dammit this is what you get for that Ninkovich faggot being on the field.

[IronMexican]

Snap. Sorry.

[IronMexican]

The pats are just too worried about LT right now.

[IronMexican]

2nd career 100 yard game for DMC. prahps

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Congrats Braylon Edwards, you're finally playing up to your potential against an undersized 2nd year corner who is playing out of position and should be the nickel back. I hope you're proud of yourself.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

That's gotta be a pick.

[IronMexican]

Looked like a pick to me. The Jest are simply a better team. When you have a leader like Sanchise, it's hard to lose.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

This is what happens when you completely abandon the run.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Looked like a pick to me. The Jest are simply a better team. When you have a leader like Sanchise, it's hard to lose.

USC plug noted ;)

j/k, I really like Sanchez. Got a good head on his shoulders.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

O yay it's the 2009 Patriots all over again. This is disgusting.

[redzero]

ruh roh

[Fabbs]

http://simpsonleblog.s.i.pic.centerblog.net/7o6nak0s.gif
O yay it's the 2009 Patriots all over again. This is disgusting.
We're not so good since our cheating cameras were turned off.
But i can still make multiple profiles and post to myself.

There there Multi.

[JamStone]

Moss with 0 receptions in the second half... with Revis out of the game??

Brady's long ball didn't look very accurate today.

[SAtown]

It'll be an empty NFL board with all the Pats, Cowboys, and Colts fans gone tonight

[LakerHater]

Moss with 0 receptions in the second half... with Revis out of the game??

Brady's long ball didn't look very accurate today.

http://i56.tinypic.com/14mu9lg.jpg

[JamStone]

That was a nice throw.

Change my comment from "today" to "the second half" then.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Moss with 0 receptions in the second half... with Revis out of the game??
I'm sure that gave you a hard on.

[JamStone]

Lol I like Randy Moss.

Apparently, if you criticize a player, you hate him. And if you like a player, you have to stay on his nutsack.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Criticizing a player for talking about his contract like every other player does and then admitting you hold him to higher standards than other receivers is what I consider hating.

Where was all your talk about Revis being selfish during his holdout?

[IronMexican]

DoK gettin' his hurtbutt on.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

IronMexican getting his obsession on

[monosylab1k]

Three things about this game.

1. lol 2nd half collapse on the road. Guess we're in for another year of that shit.

2. Brady isn't elite anymore. Putting him in the same category as Manning or Brees is laughable. He's a glorified Romo. Puts up pretty looking numbers but never delivers when it matters.

3. This is the worst pass rush in NFL history.

[IronMexican]

Hory shit. Why are you throwing in the towel for Brady already?

[monosylab1k]

Hory shit. Why are you throwing in the towel for Brady already?

The knee isn't an excuse anymore. And his biggest problem isn't lack of protection or insecurity in the pocket, it's the fact that he's making stupid ass decisions with the football.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The worst part is they don't give a shit anymore. The "Us against the world" fuck you swagger they had in 2007 is completely gone, now they start off the game strong with that swagger but then at some point they lose it and start coasting. Bill Belichick is also no longer some coaching genius. The way they abandoned the run for no reason contributed hugely to the loss.

[monosylab1k]

4 more years of uninspired Brady, then it's time for the rebuilding to start.

Can't wait.

[IronMexican]

Please. Brady wont let the team keep up like this for 4 years. They retool the D and suddenly they are elite again.

[monosylab1k]

Please. Brady wont let the team keep up like this for 4 years. They retool the D and suddenly they are elite again.

The defense making Mark Sanchez look like Joe Montana was a problem, but it didn't lose the game.

Brady forcing idiotic passes and not being able to take advantage of Revis being out was the problem. The O-line gave him great protection for the large majority of the game.

Brady's got a hot ass wife and 2 kids. He's lost the edge he used to have, he's gotten complacent, and unlike earlier in his career where he wouldn't sleep all night after losing games, he'll sleep just fine tonight. He's saying all the right things to the media, but it's obvious he isn't as dedicated as he was back when the team was winning Super Bowls.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

My favorite (not really) play was when Kyle Wilson was guarding Gronk after New England decided to abandon the run. What the fuck is the point in drafting two tight ends if you're not gonna use play action/the running game to get them matchups against linebackers, if the were gonna go empty backfield so much they might as well have drafted Aralius Benn instead of Gronk.

[monosylab1k]

Brady will never let the team suck. He's not that bad.

They'll go 10-6ish for the next 4 years, maybe win a playoff game, maybe not. That's about it. Then hopefully Brady goes and plays for the 49ers the last year or two of his career and the Patriots can rebuild.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Or we can hope for something like spygate to happen again where brady and BB get a shit ton of criticism and are motivated to go out and show the world whats up.

[HarlemHeat37]

You guys sound like Spurs fans after a loss, TBH, especially with the Belichick criticism..

It's just one game, they can't win them all..Jets are a good team, at home, and they were in danger of going 0-2 and having their season collapse..

[DPG21920]

lol Moss.

[dirk4mvp]

Moss with 0 receptions in the second half... with Revis out of the game??

Brady's long ball didn't look very accurate today.

It's gotta be that faggot ass haircut.

lol Moss having 0 receptions after having the sickest catch of the young season so far

[badfish22]

2. Brady isn't elite anymore. Putting him in the same category as Manning or Brees is laughable. He's a glorified Romo. Puts up pretty looking numbers but never delivers when it matters

The goods tbh.

[IronMexican]

I feel this is mono's way out of anything. He's hoping the Pats can turn it around and use the anti-jinx card. If not, he can always say he was right. The Pats will at least get to an AFC championship in the next 4 years.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I feel this is mono's way out of anything. He's hoping the Pats can turn it around and use the anti-jinx card. If not, he can always say he was right. The Pats will at least get to an AFC championship in the next 4 years.
You're overthinking it. Brady looked like he honestly didn't give a shit. It's not about reverse jinxes/being able to say you were right, it's about what was obvious. Here comes a joke about how I'm mimicking mono, but Brady's lack of desire was very apparent during the game.

I remember hearing about how during the off season Peyton analyzed every single snap he took from last season. What he did during the play, what his teammates did, and what the defenders did. He spent hours upon hours upon hours in the film room doing that because he still has that drive to do whatever it takes to win. Tom Brady does not seem like he has that drive anymore. He obviously still wants to win, but I'm not sure if he's willing to sacrifice time with his family to analyze film and pay that much attention to detail like franchise QBs need to do. I'm not saying "TRADE BRADY!!!", he's by far their best available option, but he's no longer a guy who feels like putting a team on his back for an entire season.

[IronMexican]

Brady was never in the same category as Manning. That's the problem.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Brady was never in the same category as Manning. That's the problem.
You completely missed the point of what I was saying.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol @ the troll viewing the thread, has potential..

[Eric Dampier]

:lol Mono's understudy

[lefty]

Damn Pats got shitted on by NYJETS once again

Time for me to jump on a new bandwagon

[Phillip]

You completely missed the point of what I was saying.

IM was simply stating a fact

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Damn Pats got shitted on by NYJETS once again

Time for me to jump on a new bandwagon
By all means go right ahead


IM was simply stating a fact
I never said otherwise, IM's statement of facts was similar to how Spurfan states facts by saying "The Spurs have 4 rings!" after they no longer can say something about the topic at hand.

[lefty]

By all means go right ahead

:lol

[DarrinS]

Fuck the Pats.


JUNWbcWEN2A

[dirk4mvp]

lol showing up

[DarrinS]

lol gfy

[dirk4mvp]

:cry Did the Jets win? Is it ok to post now? :cry

[monosylab1k]

Brady was never in the same category as Manning.

Go fuck a 12 year old. 3 rings faggot. 50 touchdowns faggot.

Anything Manning has done, Brady has done better. Stating the fact that Brady simply isn't the QB he used to be isn't some omission that Manning > Brady over their careers, because that's fucking stupid.

[IronMexican]

:lol atta boy.

[HarlemHeat37]

Go fuck a 12 year old. 3 rings faggot. 50 touchdowns faggot.

Anything Manning has done, Brady has done better. Stating the fact that Brady simply isn't the QB he used to be isn't some omission that Manning > Brady over their careers, because that's fucking stupid.

:rollin

[monosylab1k]

:cry Did the Jets win? Is it ok to post now? :cry

DarrinS has better things to do, like post retarded bullshit in the political forum.

crofl anyone who says the NBA Forum is a cesspool has obviously never taken a look at the political forum.

[monosylab1k]

IM was simply stating a fact

Yeah maybe if you're fuckin retarded

[dirk4mvp]

:rollin

:rollin next sunday

[dirk4mvp]

I hope Tim "lol abortion" Tebow gets alot of playing time next week so he can having his face planted in the field by Dwight "Tazmanian" Freeney and Robert "Devil" Mathis.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol @ hoping Tebow gets on the field..that's the last thing you want, trust me..

[dirk4mvp]

The Broncos are grade A dogshit. The game is gonna be a lot like last night's game in favor of the Colts, tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Probably, TBH, I'm not delusional, I'd be happy if they're even in the game by mid-3rd..I fear Manning, especially in meaningless games, since that's where he usually does his best work..

[dirk4mvp]

Peyton bends over and takes a fresh shit on the Broncos in a regular season game or the postseason, it doesn't really matter.

[DarrinS]

Why are Pats fans such pussies when their team loses?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Why are Pats fans such pussies when their team loses?
We wouldn't know what you're like when your team loses since you only show up here after it wins.

[DarrinS]

:cry :cry :cry My butt hurts :cry :cry :cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol bandwagon fan

[LOL texans]

Why are Pats fans such pussies when their team loses?

Not all of them are. Just the ones who happen to be Cardinals fans also, lol

[LnGrrrR]

Fucking Jets.

We better stop them at home. Can't believe that game got out of hand... and their was some crappy playcalling. I understand trying to get the running game going, but by the fourth, should've realized it was going nowhere. Of course, airing it out didn't work much either; don't know if they were smothering Welker or not but the Pats were all out-of-sync.

Also, Butler played like shit yesterday. BB better get on his ass.

[LnGrrrR]

Brady's got a hot ass wife and 2 kids. He's lost the edge he used to have, he's gotten complacent, and unlike earlier in his career where he wouldn't sleep all night after losing games, he'll sleep just fine tonight. He's saying all the right things to the media, but it's obvious he isn't as dedicated as he was back when the team was winning Super Bowls.

I somewhat agree. He's still a competitor, but I think he's not as competetive as he used to be.

Also, I disagree about the running game. Thought it was going nowhere, so might as well air it out.

[badfish22]

Anything Manning has done, Brady has done better. Stating the fact that Brady simply isn't the QB he used to be isn't some omission that Manning > Brady over their careers, because that's fucking stupid.

God dammit mono. You follow the goods with this?

[stretch]

Go fuck a 12 year old. 3 rings faggot. 50 touchdowns faggot.

Anything Manning has done, Brady has done better. Stating the fact that Brady simply isn't the QB he used to be isn't some omission that Manning > Brady over their careers, because that's fucking stupid.

the fucking stupid thing is when pat fans and brady knobslobbers sit and say brady is better because he won 3 rings throwing to deion branch and average guys like that. especially when the pats lost a sb and havent done shit with a far better offensive supporting cast than Peyton ever had with guys like moss and welker.

further proof that it takes a TEAM to win a ring, from players to coaches to playcallers. the patiots won those superbowls because they had complete teams, something manning has NEVER had, yet still has his team contending for a title on a yearly basis, winning one, as well as setting records and racking up mvps, and even taking paycuts so the dumbasses in indys management can get him a better team. there is only so much he can do, and for what hes been given, hes done more than perhaps any player has in NFL history for such an extended period of time.

[J.T.]

tbh peyton manning won the super bowl by more points than all 3 patriots super bowls combined so clearly he is better than brady. for life. i think its obvious to the world that guys like tom brady, ben roethlisberger and trent dilfer only have rings because they rode the nuts of a swole defense.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

the fucking stupid thing is when pat fans and brady knobslobbers sit and say brady is better because he won 3 rings throwing to deion branch and average guys like that. especially when the pats lost a sb and havent done shit with a far better offensive supporting cast than Peyton ever had with guys like moss and welker.

further proof that it takes a TEAM to win a ring, from players to coaches to playcallers. the patiots won those superbowls because they had complete teams, something manning has NEVER had, yet still has his team contending for a title on a yearly basis, winning one, as well as setting records and racking up mvps, and even taking paycuts so the dumbasses in indys management can get him a better team. there is only so much he can do, and for what hes been given, hes done more than perhaps any player has in NFL history for such an extended period of time.
The 2006 Colts were a complete team in the playoffs. It's not like Peyton needed to score 40 points in each playoff game for his team to win a superbowl. Both QBs are the same in the sense that they both needed the clutchest kicker in NFL history and big plays from their defense at key times to win superbowls. I'm not saying Manning < Brady, but the revisionist history about how good the Colts D was at key times in 2006 is bullshit. When Peyton couldn't do shit against the Ravens in 2006 he needed his defense and Vinateri to come through. Yeah Brady has yet to take a team with a bad defense and holes at major positions to a superbowl win, and the same thing goes for Peyton.

And if you're gonna give Peyton rave reviews about taking a paycut, lets not forget all the paycuts Brady has taken over the years just so Robert Kraft can cheap out on key players that Brady took a paycut so the Patriots could resign.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

tbh peyton manning won the super bowl by more points than all 3 patriots super bowls combined so clearly he is better than brady.
If the 01, 03 or 04 Patriots ever played Rex Grossman in the superbowl the game would be over at halftime.

[Veterinarian]

lol "omission"

[monosylab1k]

the fucking stupid thing is when pat fans and brady knobslobbers sit and say brady is better because he won 3 rings throwing to deion branch and average guys like that. especially when the pats lost a sb and havent done shit with a far better offensive supporting cast than Peyton ever had with guys like moss and welker.

further proof that it takes a TEAM to win a ring, from players to coaches to playcallers. the patiots won those superbowls because they had complete teams, something manning has NEVER had, yet still has his team contending for a title on a yearly basis, winning one, as well as setting records and racking up mvps, and even taking paycuts so the dumbasses in indys management can get him a better team. there is only so much he can do, and for what hes been given, hes done more than perhaps any player has in NFL history for such an extended period of time.

How is it that every winning QB on earth has always had the most dominant defense on earth and the greatest supporting cast in NFL history except for Peyton Manning?

[Phillip]

How is it that every winning QB on earth has always had the most dominant defense on earth and the greatest supporting cast in NFL history except for Peyton Manning?

way to answer your own question :rolleyes

Peyton has had some good players around him, obviously, which is why they are constantly in contention, but in terms of being a complete team, that is something that the colts have NEVER been, unlike the Patriots, who had a very complete and well rounded team when winning championships.

the Colts have consistently lacked defense, and often lacked either a good ground game, good o-line, or both.

[Phillip]

And if you're gonna give Peyton rave reviews about taking a paycut, lets not forget all the paycuts Brady has taken over the years just so Robert Kraft can cheap out on key players that Brady took a paycut so the Patriots could resign.

I've always given Brady props for taking paycuts too. That wasn't a slight against Brady, the way you Pat fans tend to take everything. Point was, Peyton can't keep doing it by himself.

Replace Brady with Manning during the Patriots SB run, and they still win at least 3 rings, no question about it.

[Steve Kerr]

the Colts have consistently lacked defense, and often lacked either a good ground game, good o-line, or both.
not in 2006 they didn't.

[Phillip]

The 2006 Colts were a complete team in the playoffs. It's not like Peyton needed to score 40 points in each playoff game for his team to win a superbowl. Both QBs are the same in the sense that they both needed the clutchest kicker in NFL history and big plays from their defense at key times to win superbowls. I'm not saying Manning < Brady, but the revisionist history about how good the Colts D was at key times in 2006 is bullshit. When Peyton couldn't do shit against the Ravens in 2006 he needed his defense and Vinateri to come through. Yeah Brady has yet to take a team with a bad defense and holes at major positions to a superbowl win, and the same thing goes for Peyton.

And this here exactly proves my point that it takes a team to win championships, and why it's silly for people to say Brady > Manning because he has 3 rings. Manning can only do so much, just like Brady has only been able to do so much.

Both guys have proven they can lead a team to a championship, and can consistently have their team among the league's elite. At this point, I don't think winning should be part of the debate, but rather accomplishments and capabilities. Peyton clearly has more accomplishments, and IMO is a more deadly passer. I don't think there has ever been a QB that makes tough passes look easy, the way Manning does, as he completes them on a regular basis, and that is a big reason why even the most mediocre receivers can go play with Peyton Manning and get 1000 yards. he doesnt need his guys to get much separation to complete passes.

IMO, Manning and Brady are the two best QBs of all time. But Mannings ability to consistently complete tough passes, is what puts him over Brady. While Brady can complete tough passes, he definitely cannot complete them as consistently as Manning does.

[monosylab1k]

Mannings ability to consistently complete tough passes.

lol

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[monosylab1k]

You can count on one hand the amount of truly shitty games Brady has had in the playoffs, with fingers to spare. The only two that really come to mind are Denver in 05 and last season against Baltimore.

With Manning it's probably in double digits.

Give me Brady every fucking time.

[Blake]

IMO, Manning and Brady are the two best QBs of all time.

#1 is Manning and #2 is Brady?

mmm....no...I'm not seeing it.

[monosylab1k]

#1 is Joe Montana and you're retarded if you think otherwise.

After that's it's debatable.

[monosylab1k]

someone is still desperately waiting to have their troll approved :lmao

[monosylab1k]

tbh same thing with me and my "Nate Dogg" troll

[monosylab1k]

and one final note, according to stretch, if Dan Marino ever had the blind luck of facing off against Steve Pelluer in the Super Bowl, then his 1 ring would automatically make him GOAT.

[J.T.]

Brady's worst playoff game other than Super Bowl 42 is prob that game he lost to the Colts. He wasn't doing jack shit anyway (3 scores before halftime were Corey Dillon running it in, Mankins recovering the fumble in the end zone and Samuel pick-sixing Manning), got chode bloaded into a 3 and out after the Colts scored, got easy field position after the Colts tied and bailed out by video replay and the old forceout rule on a touchdown, could only get his team FGs the rest of the way, nearly picked by Bob Sanders, cost his team the game by throwing to Reche Caldwell in crunch time, and threw a game losing pick.

That game was the death of Brady dominance in big games tbh.

[monosylab1k]

Brady's worst playoff game other than Super Bowl 42 is prob that game he lost to the Colts. He wasn't doing jack shit anyway (3 scores before halftime were Corey Dillon running it in, Mankins recovering the fumble in the end zone and Samuel pick-sixing Manning), got chode bloaded into a 3 and out after the Colts scored, got easy field position after the Colts tied and bailed out by video replay and the old forceout rule on a touchdown, could only get his team FGs the rest of the way, nearly picked by Bob Sanders, cost his team the game by throwing to Reche Caldwell in crunch time, and threw a game losing pick.

That game was the death of Brady dominance in big games tbh.

All he needs is a matchup with Rex Grossman to revive it.

[Phillip]

You can count on one hand the amount of truly shitty games Brady has had in the playoffs, with fingers to spare. The only two that really come to mind are Denver in 05 and last season against Baltimore.

With Manning it's probably in double digits.

Give me Brady every fucking time.

Both have played 18 playoff games


Manning Career Playoff QB Rating - 87.6
Brady Career Playoff QB Rating - 85.5

Manning Stats - 62.9%, 5164 Yards, 28 TD, 19 INT, 7.46 YPA
Brady Stats - 62%, 4108 Yards, 28 TD, 15 INT, 6.45 YPA

Games of QB rating being under 80

Manning - 7
Brady - 8

looks to me that Brady has had more shitty playoff games than Manning. fortunately, he often had a defense that could help him out and prevent the team from losing the game, such as in the two wins against the Chargers, as well as some others, such as against the Titans, and a game against the Colts.

Peyton only had that luxury one time, and coincedentally, it was the year they won the Super Bowl. Further proof that a shitload of SB wins are not a good way to determine a player's greatness.

[Phillip]

and one final note, according to stretch, if Dan Marino ever had the blind luck of facing off against Steve Pelluer in the Super Bowl, then his 1 ring would automatically make him GOAT.

Marino - 0 rings
Bradshaw - 4 rings

Marino >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bradshaw (possibly the most overrated player in NFL history)

Manning > Marino with multiple rings
Brady > Marino with multiple rings

Marino's stats are great, but not as good as some people think. A lot of his stats are the result of his longevity, and definitely aren't as good as Mannings. He completed under 60% more often than over. And was consistently mediocre in the playoffs, with minimal great or memorable performances.

[Phillip]

#1 is Joe Montana and you're retarded if you think otherwise.

After that's it's debatable.

and you're retarded if you think that you couldn't plug a number of different people in at QB, and those great 49er teams wouldnt win multiple superbowls. those teams were ridiculously stacked in an era where no one knew really how to consistently defend a west coast offense.

Manning, Brady, Aikman, Marino, Brees, all would have been very successful on that team, just the way Montana was.

[Dave Mustaine]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274/ns/sports-nfl//

tbh

[BUMP]

Interesting that Mono would take Brady "without question" right now but said this earlier:



Brady forcing idiotic passes and not being able to take advantage of Revis being out was the problem. The O-line gave him great protection for the large majority of the game. He's lost the edge he used to have, he's gotten complacent, and unlike earlier in his career where he wouldn't sleep all night after losing games, he'll sleep just fine tonight. He's saying all the right things to the media, but it's obvious he isn't as dedicated as he was back when the team was winning Super Bowls.

[BUMP]

Oh yeah, and Brady sucks giant african sized cock. Romo>Brady

[Blake]

Marino - 0 rings
Bradshaw - 4 rings

Marino >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bradshaw (possibly the most overrated player in NFL history)

Manning > Marino with multiple rings
Brady > Marino with multiple rings

Marino's stats are great, but not as good as some people think. A lot of his stats are the result of his longevity, and definitely aren't as good as Mannings. He completed under 60% more often than over. And was consistently mediocre in the playoffs, with minimal great or memorable performances.

who said that Bradshaw>Marino?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Brady's worst playoff game other than Super Bowl 42 is prob that game he lost to the Colts. He wasn't doing jack shit anyway (3 scores before halftime were Corey Dillon running it in, Mankins recovering the fumble in the end zone and Samuel pick-sixing Manning), got chode bloaded into a 3 and out after the Colts scored, got easy field position after the Colts tied and bailed out by video replay and the old forceout rule on a touchdown, could only get his team FGs the rest of the way, nearly picked by Bob Sanders, cost his team the game by throwing to Reche Caldwell in crunch time, and threw a game losing pick.

That game was the death of Brady dominance in big games tbh.
Yeah, Brady sucked in superbowl 42, it's 100% his fault Justin Tuck corn holed his offensive line.

[Phillip]

who said that Bradshaw>Marino?

no one, just reinforcing the point that rings shouldnt determine greatness as much as people want them to

[4chan]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/6/66385/1429754-1253930_this_thread_again_super_super.jpg

[Phillip]

Yeah, Brady sucked in superbowl 42, it's 100% his fault Justin Tuck corn holed his offensive line.

Brady didn't suck in the Super Bowl. Giants just had a perfect gameplan for them. Just the same way the Pats had the perfect gameplan for the Rams in 2001.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Brady didn't suck in the Super Bowl. Giants just had a perfect gameplan for them. Just the same way the Pats had the perfect gameplan for the Rams in 2001.
There was no perfect gameplan or anything, the Giants just became a great team once Shockey was injured and Manning actually got to control the offense, and this is gonna sound dumb, but midway through the season New England stopped being the dominant team it was, we all know they deserved to lose that Baltimore game. Being able to line Justin Tuck up inside because you already have Osi and Strahan at DE is a luxury no other team has. That team already beat two superior teams in the playoffs and was dangerous as fuck.

[lefty]

Pats need to fire Bellichick

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Pats need to fire Bellichick
Neaux. Their mistake was not going after Charlies Weis and THAT nigga Romeo Crennel in the off season when they coulda.

[Lee Corso]

pats need to fire bellichick

whoaaaa nellie!!

[Phillip]

There was no perfect gameplan or anything, the Giants just became a great team once Shockey was injured and Manning actually got to control the offense, and this is gonna sound dumb, but midway through the season New England stopped . Being able to line Justin Tuck up inside because you already have Osi and Strahan at DE is a luxury no other team has. That team already beat two superior teams in the playoffs and was dangerous as fuck.

Their gameplan was to allow no big plays on defense, minimal blitzing, just getting natural pressure from the D-line (up the middle preferably, since Brady is so good at stepping up from outside rushes), and having great coverage by the LBs and DBs, and to control the clock and hold the ball as long as possible.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Their gameplan was to allow no big plays on defense, minimal blitzing, just getting natural pressure from the D-line (up the middle preferably, since Brady is so good at stepping up from outside rushes), and having great coverage by the LBs and DBs, and to control the clock and hold the ball as long as possible.
Yeah that's not a real elaborate gameplan. "Never blitzing but getting pressure with your defensive line alone" isn't a gameplan nearly as much as it's having a sick ass defensive line.

[stretch]

Yeah that's not a real elaborate gameplan. "Never blitzing but getting pressure with your defensive line alone" isn't a gameplan nearly as much as it's having a sick ass defensive line.

So many teams tried blitzing non-stop to get pressure, and would get torched.

Giants would let them have stuff underneath all day, as long as they would keep the YAC to a minimum. Big plays were their #1 focus from what I saw.

[lefty]

Neaux. Their mistake was not going after Charlies Weis and THAT nigga Romeo Crennel in the off season when they coulda.
I agree

But Bellichick's playcalling last season and this season so far has been #($&&%(#

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yeah I agree completely that's why they needed to make a call to Charlie Weis. Put him in the booth calling plays and problem solved.

[lefty]

Yup

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Kevin Faulk done for the year


The last thing they need is BB to have another excuse to give Benjarvus Green faggot the ball.

[monosylab1k]

Interesting that Mono would take Brady "without question" right now but said this earlier:

I was talking about over their entire careers you dumbass.

[monosylab1k]

Kevin Faulk done for the year


The last thing they need is BB to have another excuse to give Benjarvus Green faggot the ball.

BJGE > Maroney

[IronMexican]

Best name in the NFL.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

BJGE > Maroney
Getting a finger chopped off is better than getting your dick chopped off, what's your point?

[monosylab1k]

Both have played 18 playoff games


Manning Career Playoff QB Rating - 87.6
Brady Career Playoff QB Rating - 85.5

Manning Stats - 62.9%, 5164 Yards, 28 TD, 19 INT, 7.46 YPA
Brady Stats - 62%, 4108 Yards, 28 TD, 15 INT, 6.45 YPA

Games of QB rating being under 80

Manning - 7
Brady - 8

looks to me that Brady has had more shitty playoff games than Manning. fortunately, he often had a defense that could help him out and prevent the team from losing the game, such as in the two wins against the Chargers, as well as some others, such as against the Titans, and a game against the Colts.

Peyton only had that luxury one time, and coincedentally, it was the year they won the Super Bowl. Further proof that a shitload of SB wins are not a good way to determine a player's greatness.


Marino - 0 rings
Bradshaw - 4 rings

Marino >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bradshaw (possibly the most overrated player in NFL history)

Manning > Marino with multiple rings
Brady > Marino with multiple rings

Marino's stats are great, but not as good as some people think. A lot of his stats are the result of his longevity, and definitely aren't as good as Mannings. He completed under 60% more often than over. And was consistently mediocre in the playoffs, with minimal great or memorable performances.


and you're retarded if you think that you couldn't plug a number of different people in at QB, and those great 49er teams wouldnt win multiple superbowls. those teams were ridiculously stacked in an era where no one knew really how to consistently defend a west coast offense.

Manning, Brady, Aikman, Marino, Brees, all would have been very successful on that team, just the way Montana was.

:lmao

All these words for basically the same exact sentiment


Every other great QB either had a stacked defense, great receivers, or is severely overrated :cry only Peyton Manning has ever proven himself

[monosylab1k]

Getting a finger chopped off is better than getting your dick chopped off, what's your point?

Just saying, used correctly, BJGE is valuable. But should he be taking carries away from Fred Taylor, though? Hell no.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And even with his laziness and backfield dancing Maroney > Ben Jarvus Green Faggot. The minute a defenders comes within 1 foot of green faggot he just falls down. Completely useless waste of a roster spot.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Bjot > bjge

[monosylab1k]

And even with his laziness and backfield dancing Maroney > Ben Jarvus Green Faggot. The minute a defenders comes within 1 foot of green faggot he just falls down. Completely useless waste of a roster spot.

3 positive yards every time > losing yards half the time cuz you're juking around like a stupid n*gger

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

3 positive yards every time > losing yards half the time cuz you're juking around like a stupid n*gger
10 carries for 19 yards isn't 3 positive yards every time.

[monosylab1k]

10 carries for 19 yards isn't 3 positive yards every time.

1.9 postive yards every time still > indecisive juking and fumbling on the goal line

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

1.9 postive yards every time still > indecisive juking and fumbling on the goal line
At least when Maroney was in they were getting to the goal line. When Green Faggot is at running back the defense can drop 8 into coverage since he falls down if the D-lineman makes any contact with him whatsoever.

[monosylab1k]

At least when Maroney was in they were getting to the goal line. When Green Faggot is at running back the defense can drop 8 into coverage since he falls down if the D-lineman makes any contact with him whatsoever.

Sorry but I'll take a hard worker with no talent over a serial underacheiver who has a knack for fucking things up at the worst possible time.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Sorry but I'll take a hard worker with no talent over a serial underacheiver who has a knack for fucking things up at the worst possible time.
Suit yourself. Yeah a scrub who works hard is a more likable guy but the fact is BJGE has nothing to offer and doesn't have the potential to ever have anything to offer.

[san antonio spurs]

Fuck the Jets, that rematch can't come soon enough.
Mono :lol
seriously?

[monosylab1k]

Fuck the Jets, that rematch can't come soon enough.
Mono :lol
seriously?

Last I checked BJGE doesn't fumble on the goal line incessantly, nor does he get hurt every other game, nor does he juke around and get stuffed for 4 yard losses nonstop.

[san antonio spurs]

Last I checked BJGE doesn't fumble on the goal line incessantly, nor does he get hurt every other game, nor does he juke around and get stuffed for 4 yard losses nonstop.

Now that you told us what he doesn't do how about telling us what he does?

[monosylab1k]

Now that you told us what he doesn't do how about telling us what he does?

He does make positive contributions when given a limited role in the offense. He does hold onto the football when going over the goal line. He does hit a hole and get positive yards instead of dancing around. He does stay healthy. He does accept responsibility when he doesn't play well and avoids making excuses for his poor play. He does go into training camp with his mouth shut and working, instead of being lazy but telling the media how this will be his best year ever.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Regardless of Maroney, there's no readon BJGE should be on the team. Both Taylor and Morris are better inside runners, better outside runners, better blockers, better receivers outa the backfield, etc. BJGE gives the team absolutely nothing that Taylor and Morris don't.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He does make positive contributions when given a limited role in the offense. He does hold onto the football when going over the goal line. He does hit a hole and get positive yards instead of dancing around. He does stay healthy. He does accept responsibility when he doesn't play well and avoids making excuses for his poor play.
You could say the same thing for most high school level running backs. When given a wide open hole, they all can get 3 yards then fall down.

[Eric Dampier]

Does this argument mean the understudy's fired?

[monosylab1k]

:lmao the Maroney knobslobbers didn't give a shit about BJGE until their little underacheiver got dumped :cry now suddenly he's the reason the team sucks.

[monosylab1k]

You could say the same thing for most high school level running backs. When given a wide open hole, they all can get 3 yards then fall down.

Most high school running backs also know to protect the ball when they get it at the goal line.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lmao the Maroney knobslobbers didn't give a shit about BJGE until their little underacheiver got dumped :cry now suddenly he's the reason the team sucks.
Belichick's overused of him had plenty to do with them losing to the Jets, and you'd have to be retarded to think otherwise.

I'm fine with the Maroney trade. They got a mid pick for it and it's not like Maroney was gonna put them over the top this year, it's more about the fact BJGE does nothing. He's the Pierre Woods on offense (who fortunately is FINALLY off the team).

[monosylab1k]

Does this argument mean the understudy's fired?

how many PM's have you sent to Kori begging her to approve the troll?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Most high school running backs also know to protect the ball when they get it at the goal line.
That's my point. BJGE does nothing that the standard high school running back can't do.

[monosylab1k]

it's more about the fact BJGE does nothing.

zero contribution > negative contribution

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

zero contribution > negative contribution
Negative contribution doesn't make zero contribution excusable. Maroney is in the past, he's irrelevant to the fact BJGE has no place on this team.

[monosylab1k]

Until Sunday, when he was admittedly overused, I don't know of anyone who though BJGE was some useless member of the team. In a limited role, he's been productive the last 2 seasons.

[san antonio spurs]

:lmao the Maroney knobslobbers didn't give a shit about BJGE until their little underacheiver got dumped :cry now suddenly he's the reason the team sucks.

:lol I think you have lost it.
It's not his fault he's on the field, we can't blame him for sucking when he's being misused. I don't think DOK is hating on him, just stating that there are better running options out there. To be honest I Like the kid because he seems like a blue collar player, the kind of true patriot we like. The problem is that he's a 3rd RB being used like a feature back

[san antonio spurs]

Negative contribution doesn't make zero contribution excusable. Maroney is in the past, he's irrelevant to the fact BJGE has no place on this team.

I wouldn't go that far. He has a place on this team... but mostly on the bench. He's a 3rd back for a reason

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Once I saw that he had been cut, I was pissed they chose to keep BJGE over Tyron McKenzie. IMO McKenzie has a lot more to offer than GreenEllis. This isn't an opinion I impulsively came up with after Sunday.

[monosylab1k]

Or just give it to Fred Taylor 15-20 times a game like he should be used. If he gets hurt he gets hurt, you can't do much about that.

[IronMexican]

So BUMP is Dampier? I thought it was mono. Consider me stumped, BUMPY. Good work.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I wouldn't go that far. He has a place on this team... but mostly on the bench. He's a 3rd back for a reason
As a 3rd back he should be able to provide something Morris and Taylor don't. Kevin Faulk for example provided a great shotgun formation running back for Brady that neither Taylor nor Morris are. If they want a 3rd running back, then cut BJGE and pick up Willie Parker since he atleast gives a speed dimension outa the backfield they don't get from Taylor or Morris.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Or just give it to Fred Taylor 15-20 times a game like he should be used. If he gets hurt he gets hurt, you can't do much about that.
I agree there, he wasn't picking up yards but when they were using him on the 1st drive his presence in the backfield kept NY honest at the very least.

[monosylab1k]

Taylor 15-20 times per game? He will be injured and broken after his 8th carry.

With Fred Taylor that could happen giving him 4 carries a game. You never know with him.

So just use him as the #1 back until it does happen, instead of wasting him on the bench.

[san antonio spurs]

As a 3rd back he should be able to provide something Morris and Taylor don't. Kevin Faulk for example provided a great shotgun formation running back for Brady that neither Taylor nor Morris are. If they want a 3rd running back, then cut BJGE and pick up Willie Parker since he atleast gives a speed dimension outa the backfield they don't get from Taylor or Morris.
Willie Parker has fumbling issues and would cost more than BJGE. I believe that as a 3rd back and used properly, I can live with him being on the team

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Pick up someone like Dantrell Savage. He's like a shit version of Jamaal Charles.
Is this the newest athlete outa some random division 3 school you happen to follow, last year I remember you were slobbing that Garrett Wolfe faggot's knob.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Willie Parker has fumbling issues and would cost more than BJGE. I believe that as a 3rd back and used properly, I can live with him being on the team
What does he do that Taylor/Morris don't do, answer that question please.

[monosylab1k]

What does he do that Taylor/Morris don't do, answer that question please.

What does it matter? How many teams live and die on the versatility of their #3 running back?

[san antonio spurs]

What does he do that Taylor/Morris don't do, answer that question please.
He can be used on the special teams. I can also tell you what he doesn't. He doesn't get injured often.
I see your point, but at his price, we can live with it

[monosylab1k]

So BUMP is Dampier? I thought it was mono. Consider me stumped, BUMPY. Good work.

I'd know how to spell Erick Dampier's name properly before making a troll. BUMP may match me in sheer volume of trolls but let's be honestly, I have better quality.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

How many teams live and die on the versatility of their #3 running back?
Teams coached by coaches who have adopted loony playcalling where they have random weeks where the #3 back leads the team in carries. Those teams generally live and die by what the #3 running back can do.

If you honestly think this is the last time BB randomly decides to give BJGE 10+ carries then there's no point in arguing.

[IronMexican]

I'd know how to spell Erick Dampier's name properly before making a troll. BUMP may match me in sheer volume of trolls but let's be honestly, I have better quality.

Way to diss BUMP, brah.

[IronMexican]

lol, 3 RB's. Might as well have none. Ask da cowboys.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Holy fuck I just realized Mardigan was right. The Patriots need a 3rd string RB, if they were willing to trade Moss they mighta been able to get the best 3rd string RB of all time.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You guys need to fix that anemic pass rush in the next decade as well.
That'll happen once they get THAT nigga Marcell Dareus.

[IronMexican]

Where has mardigan been?

[Dave Mustaine]

So BUMP is Dampier? I thought it was mono. Consider me stumped, BUMPY. Good work.

Weren't you bragging about your ability to spot trolls?

[Phillip]

:lmao

All these words for basically the same exact sentiment

im sorry that you are incapable of presenting a rebuttal that consists of anything other than your emotions

tbh its nothing surprising, because you never have been able to provide any backing to your argument, other than "3 rings faggot"

its bad when fucking Blake is more capable of attempting to back his claims, and Blake is dumber than a retard on LSD

[Dave Mustaine]

lol brotherly quarrel

[IronMexican]

Stumped, I said. Stumped. I'm usually pretty good, though.

[Phillip]

lol brotherly quarrel

lol snead

[Phillip]

tbh i thought it was pretty obvious that Dampier was BUMP

[Blake]

lol brotherly quarrel

for a second I thought you said lol Harrell

[BUMP]

I'd know how to spell Erick Dampier's name properly before making a troll. BUMP may match me in sheer volume of trolls but let's be honestly, I have better quality.

tbh, about 90% of my trolls are from the first two months i was at this site in 2006 back in the insta-trolling days, so I've gotten lazy with them.

[Dave Mustaine]

for a second I thought you said lol Harrell

tbh why would I lol one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

its bad when fucking Blake is more capable of attempting to back his claims, and Blake is dumber than a retard on LSD
lol Blake constantly getting under your skin

[J.T.]

man i am like 3 days into a winning streak beard and already i hate this shit

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yeah I look like a homo with any kind of long hair (lol Jew fro) or beard so I don't take part in those activities.

[Blake]

its bad when fucking Blake is more capable of attempting to back his claims, and Blake is dumber than a retard on LSD

smart retards wouldn't use a drug from 1982.

lol lsd

[J.T.]

last year i did the winning streak mane... i didn't count the 2 L's when they pulled starters cuz that shit was lame and then of course the day before the super bowl i get shitty drunk and get cocky and make a bet that if they lost i'd shave my head. neither looked cool, shoulda just got a haircut in november.

[Blake]

tbh why would I lol one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play?

Only a dumb retard high on cough syrup would lol Harrell

[J.T.]

smart retards wouldn't use a drug from 1982.

lol lsd

hands down the most fun you can have on drugs

i wish the people who used to sell it to me weren't schizo faggot thieves. prob had something to do with them taking acid every day since they were 17.

[stretch]

ive weighed 400 lbs since 1982.

lol 400 lbs

[Blake]

6'5 240 tbh

:tu

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

6'5 240 tbh

:tu
Damn you a big ass nigga

[IronMexican]

I could still take you on Blake. 5'7 180.

[J.T.]

well at least i know i can knock out 4 out of 5 mookie crew guys and blake

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

well at least i know i can knock out 4 out of 5 mookie crew guys and blake
Who's the mookie crew guy you can't knock out?

[stretch]

Who's the mookie crew guy you can't knock out?

thispego

he knows jiujitsu

[monosylab1k]

im sorry that you are incapable of presenting a rebuttal that consists of anything other than your emotions


:lmao more classic stretch


If you don't agree with me then you're just an emotional woman not capable of rational thought :cry

[monosylab1k]

Probably the reason I don't post stats is because every time I post stats, the argument is "stats don't matter because it's a team sport".

Then when I focus on team success, it's "well Peyton just makes tougher throws"

Then when I show Peyton licking balls on a tough throw, it's "well these stats prove I'm right and if you don't believe me it's because you're being emotional :cry"

[IronMexican]

mono being over-emotional, as always.

[monosylab1k]

mono being over-emotional, as always.

true tbh

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

thispego

he knows jiujitsu
Good to know, I figured he might have attended boxing classes with koriwhat.

[Blake]

I could still take you on Blake. 5'7 180.

shit. My left calf weighs 170.

175 with the TT tat

[Blake]

Who's the mookie crew guy you can't knock out?

:lol

[IronMexican]

shit. My left calf weighs 170.

175 with the TT tat

Are you strongfat or just fat?


I'm probably somewhere in the 170's, but I weighed myself with my heavy ass clothes.

[Blake]

Are you strongfat or just fat?


I'm probably somewhere in the 170's, but I weighed myself with my heavy ass clothes.

I'm not in shape but I'm not fat. I been trying to tone with Wii bowling.

[stretch]

Probably the reason I don't post stats is because every time I post stats, the argument is "stats don't matter because it's a team sport".

you never posted individual stats that prove Brady is superior to Peyton. unless you are referring to the season in which Brady threw 1 more TD to break Mannings record, despite the fact that he threw almost 100 more passes. and he was only able to stay on pace statistically with Manning for that one year. no other years, has he even came close. and Manning puts up these far superior stats, while only averaging around 1 more pass per game through his career.

in other words, there are no stats that you can provide to prove that he is superior to Peyton. unless as I said before you pull your usual "3 rings" bullshit that provide no proof whatsoever, other than the fact that Brady has had a better team more often than Manning. :rolleyes


Then when I focus on team success, it's "well Peyton just makes tougher throws"

both have had great team success. when Brady and Manning have had complete teams, they have won superbowls. Fortunately for Brady, he has had a complete team more often than Manning, is that not true?

however, I fully expect you to answer that with another question that makes no sense at all, because your brain turns to jizz soup anytime you talk about Tom Brady.

in your world - Brady >>>>>>>>>> Jesus :clap


Then when I show Peyton licking balls on a tough throw, it's "well these stats prove I'm right and if you don't believe me it's because you're being emotional :cry"

right, because one throw suddenly means that he is inferior to another player that he has proven to be superior to in virtually every aspect. a throw that was not neccesarily bad, as opposed to a piss-poorly ran timing route. but for now, lets just say that was a bad pass. since one play that ultimately results in a loss in a big playoff game means you suck, what about this?

:cry great fuckin' throw :cry

LNH-En9TqZY

lol, not escaping pocket or getting rid of ball

XJRutQdaj-g

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I been trying to tone with Wii bowling.
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

since one play that ultimately results in a loss in a big playoff game means you suck, what about this?

:cry great fuckin' throw :cry

LNH-En9TqZY

Are you seriously trying to argue that pass is why New England lost?

[lefty]

I'm not in shape but I'm not fat. I been trying to tone with Wii bowling.
:lol

[stretch]

Are you seriously trying to argue that pass is why New England lost?

absolutely not. they lost because they simply got beat by a better team.

since according to mono's logic, one "bad throw" by Peyton means he licks balls at tough passes (despite a history of making tough passes), then one "bad throw" by Brady means he licks balls in clutch situations (despite a history of coming up in clutch situations)

his logic is bullshit, imo

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I try not to get too involved in the Manning vs. Brady arguments since IMO it's way too close to call career wise, but did mono actually say Peyton "licks balls" at difficult passes?

[Brad2217]

rough crowd

[stretch]

I try not to get too involved in the Manning vs. Brady arguments since IMO it's way too close to call career wise, but did mono actually say Peyton "licks balls" at difficult passes?

he said this...


Then when I show Peyton licking balls on a tough throw...

the video was this...


lol

DBlvjtfpPAg

which was posted in reply to this...


But Mannings ability to consistently complete tough passes, is what puts him over Brady. While Brady can complete tough passes, he definitely cannot complete them as consistently as Manning does.

[stretch]

I try not to get too involved in the Manning vs. Brady arguments since IMO it's way too close to call career wise

im just curious for your point of view on the debate, and what makes their careers too close to call?

perhaps you can present an objective viewpoint from a Pat fans perspective, something Mono is clearly unable to do. instead he just gets butthurt over me calling him emotional. perhaps he just should go into his posting history and look at his reaction to the Pats losing, his reaction about Dirk after the Mavs lost to GS (saying the Mavs should trade for KG, LMAO), and a shitload of other dumb knee-jerk shit that he posted. everyone has knee-jerk reactions from time to time, but his seem to happen wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too often

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He said "when I show manning licking balls on a tough throw" as in singular pointing to a specific example. The point is they both fuck up their share of tough throws.

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He said "when I show manning licking balls on a tough throw" as in singular pointing to a specific example. The point is they both fuck up their share of tough throws.

and that is exactly my point. why show ONE instance? if he has a history of doing so, his argument stands. peyton doesnt. neither does brady in regards to the videos i posted, so that type of argument doesnt work here.

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im just curious for your point of view on the debate, and what makes their careers too close to call?
They have both accomplished everything the other guy has done. There is nothing that stands out to me what one did that the other didn't. Peyton has more MVPs because he's always been on teams that need to be carried by the passing game, Brady has won more superbowls because he's been on better defensive teams.

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and that is exactly my point. why show ONE instance? if he has a history of doing so, his argument stands. peyton doesnt. neither does brady in regards to the videos i posted, so that type of argument doesnt work here.
Do you at least agree Peyton has a history of fucking up against 3-4 defenses?

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Do you at least agree Peyton has a history of fucking up against 3-4 defenses?

Yes, but then again, most QB's have a harder time against a well ran 3-4, including Brady and Brees.

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They have both accomplished everything the other guy has done. There is nothing that stands out to me what one did that the other didn't. Peyton has more MVPs because he's always been on teams that need to be carried by the passing game, Brady has won more superbowls because he's been on better defensive teams.

is this really true? after doing some research, I see that for their careers, Manning averages less than 2 more pass attempts per game (i believe it was around 1.25 more). and with the exception of the Corey Dillion era, the Pats have pretty much always had to rely on their passing game.

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Yes, but then again, most QB's have a harder time against a well ran 3-4, including Brady and Brees.
The 2008 Chargers were not a well run 3-4 defense and they still gave Manning fits.

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is this really true? after doing some research, I see that for their careers, Manning averages less than 2 more pass attempts per game (i believe it was around 1.25 more). and with the exception of the Corey Dillion era, the Pats have pretty much always had to rely on their passing game.

Manning also had better weapons. Hate on Wayne and Harrison all you want, they are sure as hell are better than Deion Branch and Troy Brown. Outside of Moss the 2007 Patriots had receivers that were unproven or didn't click with Brady at all, he had the best passing season in NFL history. Manning put up better numbers because he had better weapons.

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The 2008 Chargers were not a well run 3-4 defense and they still gave Manning fits.

Manning didn't play all that poorly against the Chargers the two times the Colts lost to them. in both games, he posted over a 90 QB rating and over 300 yards.

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Manning also had better weapons. Hate on Wayne and Harrison all you want, they are sure as hell are better than Deion Branch and Troy Brown. Outside of Moss the 2007 Patriots had receivers that were unproven or didn't click with Brady at all, he had the best passing season in NFL history. Manning put up better numbers because he had better weapons.

I don't disagree entirely, although in the time that Brady has had Moss and Welker, he still hasn't really been able to produce monster MVP level stats on a consistent basis, the way Manning has. He had that one year, where he had 1 more TD, and a little more yardage than Mannings best year, but had to throw nearly 100 more passes than Manning in order to do that.

Manning has also consistently been good, despite having several different head coaches, none of which are NEAR the level of Bill Bellichick. I think Bill's system is a big reason why the Pats offense was able to be so efficient, despite not having weapons quite like Wayne or Harrison. Those SB patriots passing systems were just so tough to stop because of such perfect gameplanning and playcalling. Brady most definitely benefitted from a great offensive system earlier in his career, just the way Manning benefitted from having weapons.

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I don't disagree entirely, although in the time that Brady has had Moss and Welker, he still hasn't really been able to produce monster MVP level stats on a consistent basis, the way Manning has. He had that one year, where he had 1 more TD, and a little more yardage than Mannings best year, but had to throw nearly 100 more passes than Manning in order to do that.
Welker was absolutely nothing before Brady so don't list him like he's a receiving target every QB would be successful with. Brady also had 2 less interceptions, a higher completiton %, and no running back like Edgerrin James who took pressure off the passing game.


Manning has also consistently been good, despite having several different head coaches, none of which are NEAR the level of Bill Bellichick.
The same Bill Belichick with a career record below .500 when someone other than Brady is starting? Slob Bill Belichick's knob all you want, but prior to Tom Brady his coaching career had been an abortion.


I think Bill's system is a big reason why the Pats offense was able to be so efficient, despite not having weapons quite like Wayne or Harrison. Those SB patriots passing systems were just so tough to stop because of such perfect gameplanning and playcalling. Brady most definitely benefitted from a great offensive system earlier in his career, just the way Manning benefitted from having weapons.
If this is the case why is it BB hadn't had any success prior to Brady? What specifically was so perfect about those "passing systems" that helped Brady? The arguments people come up with the inflate the stature of Bill Belichick in order to tear Brady down are ridiculous.

:cry great fuckin passing system :cry Tim Couch and Ryan Leaf would look like HoFers with that perfect gameplanning and playcalling :cry

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Matt Cassel looked pretty decent with the great fuckin perfect gameplanning and playcalling.

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Welker was absolutely nothing before Brady so don't list him like he's a receiving target every QB would be successful with.

Welker was awfully good that year, was he not? His history at that point has nothing to do with what he produced that year.


Brady also had 2 less interceptions, a higher completiton %, and no running back like Edgerrin James who took pressure off the passing game.

Instead, the Pats had a defense that was able to help them have better field position. I think that takes a lot of pressure off the offense as well.





The same Bill Belichick with a career record below .500 when someone other than Brady is starting? Slob Bill Belichick's knob all you want, but prior to Tom Brady his coaching career had been an abortion.

So in other words, you think Bill sucks as a coach? Because that is basically what you are saying here, that Brady entirely made Belichick.



If this is the case why is it BB hadn't had any success prior to Brady? What specifically was so perfect about those "passing systems" that helped Brady? The arguments people come up with the inflate the stature of Bill Belichick in order to tear Brady down are ridiculous.

:cry great fuckin passing system :cry Tim Couch and Ryan Leaf would look like HoFers with that perfect gameplanning and playcalling :cry

I'm not tearing Brady down at all. I'm saying that he benefitted from a good system and good playcalling, much like Manning benefitted from good weapons. Good coaching can make mediocre weapons appear solid, and vice versa, good weapons, can make mediocre coaching appear solid. Both guys had their share of benefits on the offensive end.

If you actually read what I say, I have said for a while now, that Brady is the second best QB of all time, only behind Peyton.

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Matt Cassel looked pretty decent with the great fuckin perfect gameplanning and playcalling.
Yeah he was great, he got them to the playoffs and everything.