The Art of War - Egyptian Uprising

[TeyshaBlue]

:lmao Didn't run up the deficit.

Holy shit.

Anyway, I for one am happy for the people of Egypt and I am hopeful they will establish a government that does them well. Very awesome to see them succeed and I can only hope it spreads to the rest of the middle east.

Unlike Iraq, a revolution that starts from within and moves itself will succeed. It builds a sense of unity and pride and not the feeling of being conquered. Amazing history we just witnessed.

Yeah, well let's see how it shakes out. Now the hard stuff begins.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao Didn't run up the deficit.

Holy shit.

Anyway, I for one am happy for the people of Egypt and I am hopeful they will establish a government that does them well. Very awesome to see them succeed and I can only hope it spreads to the rest of the middle east.

Unlike Iraq, a revolution that starts from within and moves itself will succeed. It builds a sense of unity and pride and not the feeling of being conquered. Amazing history we just witnessed.It's just a matter of time before yoni gives credit to Bush for these democratic revolutions.

If they work out well.

If not, it's obviously Obama's fault for not invading.

[Yonivore]

:lmao Didn't run up the deficit.

Holy shit.
Have you looked at the deficit lately? All of it is on the back of the Democrat Congress of 2006-2010 and this idiot President.


Anyway, I for one am happy for the people of Egypt and I am hopeful they will establish a government that does them well. Very awesome to see them succeed and I can only hope it spreads to the rest of the middle east.

Unlike Iraq, a revolution that starts from within and moves itself will succeed. It builds a sense of unity and pride and not the feeling of being conquered. Amazing history we just witnessed.
Yeah, that's worked out well for Iranians...most of whom are now opposed to the government that came to power during a popular revolution.

We can only hope that secular, homogeneous organization "Muslim Brotherhood" doesn't take the reigns.

[RandomGuy]

Not fair, RG -- he extended an olive branch to you.

If only you had feck.

Meh. An olive branch covered in bullshit, perhaps.

I think the general tone and dishonest nature of his posts put the lie to that olive branch more surely than anything I could say could.

On a lark I did the "look at the last 300 posts" thing for bizarro boutons, and didn't really find anything consistant with his hypocritical olive branch.

[RandomGuy]

Anyway, I for one am happy for the people of Egypt and I am hopeful they will establish a government that does them well. Very awesome to see them succeed and I can only hope it spreads to the rest of the middle east.

Unlike Iraq, a revolution that starts from within and moves itself will succeed. It builds a sense of unity and pride and not the feeling of being conquered. Amazing history we just witnessed.

Well said.

[ChumpDumper]

Have you looked at the deficit lately? All of it is on the back of the Democrat Congress of 2006-2010 and this idiot President.Who ran up the deficit and debt before that, yoni?


Yeah, that's worked out well for Iranians...most of whom are now opposed to the government that came to power during a popular revolution.So you want to actively maintain the brutal dictatorship, yoni?

Just say so.

[Yonivore]

Meh. An olive branch covered in bullshit, perhaps.

I think the general tone and dishonest nature of his posts put the lie to that olive branch more surely than anything I could say could.

On a lark I did the "look at the last 300 posts" thing for bizarro boutons, and didn't really find anything consistant with his hypocritical olive branch.
You have a lot of free time.

But, talking about me isn't really a defense of this administration. Nice deflection.

[RandomGuy]

You have a lot of free time.

But, talking about me isn't really a defense of this administration. Nice deflection.

It didn't take too long to get the general idea. .6 seconds for the search, a few clicks on a page or two.

"fucking liberals" "fucking Obama" "fucking this" "fucking that" You are pretty consistant in both language and message.

As for this administration, your criticisms merit the response given, IMO. If you don't like that, improve the quality and tenor of your criticisms.

Still not taking the bait. :toast

[ChumpDumper]

You have a lot of free time.

But, talking about me isn't really a defense of this administration. Nice deflection.If that was your best attack, they don't need any defending.

All you called for was more war and more dictatorships.

We disagree with you.

[Yonivore]

It didn't take too long to get the general idea. .6 seconds for the search, a few clicks on a page or two.

"fucking liberals" "fucking Obama" "fucking this" "fucking that" You are pretty consistant in both language and message.

As for this administration, your criticisms merit the response given, IMO. If you don't like that, improve the quality and tenor of your criticisms.

Still not taking the bait. :toast
A couple of posts? Okay. I thought you looked at 300.

Anyway, No one is asking you to respond, but that you do with a criticism of me isn't -- as I said -- a defense of the administration. Nor does it serve any other purpose that I can discern.

So, why respond at all?

[MannyIsGod]

Yoni brings up a good point. When people say shit like the GOP didn't run up the deficit, why bother responding to them at all?

[ChumpDumper]

A couple of posts? Okay. I thought you looked at 300.

Anyway, No one is asking you to respond, but that you do with a criticism of me isn't -- as I said -- a defense of the administration. Nor does it serve any other purpose that I can discern.

So, why respond at all?Mainly because your attacks are irrational and have little to do with anything actually happening in Egypt at this time.

All RG did was chronicle more irrationality; quite effectively.

[Yonivore]

Yoni brings up a good point. When people say shit like the GOP didn't run up the deficit, why bother responding to them at all?
Because, you can't respond with anything except for an attack of the poster. That's why.

Let it stand unchallenged; see if I care.

[ChumpDumper]

Because, you can't respond with anything except for an attack of the poster. That's why.

Let it stand unchallenged; see if I care.Uh, we just challenged you, dumbass.

[RandomGuy]

Mainly because your attacks are irrational and have little to do with anything actually happening in Egypt at this time.

All RG did was chronicle more irrationality; quite effectively.

Speaking of chronicling irrrationality, here is something that took longer than .6 seconds to put goether:


this idiot President.


fucking liberals


Fuck your new "civility."


when liberals bitch about it


Talking about whoring, Edwards whored his wife's cancer



It's all a fucking farce


why is it so fucking cold?


I stopped after the first two pages of posts. Like I said, it doesn't take much parusing to get the picture. :)

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Hell, that has all the makings of a good drinking game. :lol

"Take a shot when Yoni says the word "fuck"." :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

Because, you can't respond with anything except for an attack of the poster. That's why.

Let it stand unchallenged; see if I care.

I'm sorry, but I don't feel the need to dignify the rants and raves of a delusional lunatic with an actual rebuttal anymore than I feel the need to tell the crazy guy on the corner that the sky is indeed blue and not purple.

:lol

[Stringer_Bell]

I just want to give a shout out to Mubarak's last ditch attempt to retain power. I assume he leaked info to the military that he was stepping down, then banking on the crowds going crazy violent when he didn't resign so that the military had no choice but to step in and crush the protests. Sly move, but it really does look like the Egyptian protestors were smarter this time.

Good luck, Egypt!

[ChumpDumper]

yoni is shedding tears over his boy Mubarak.

[RandomGuy]

It didn't take too long to get the general idea. .6 seconds for the search, a few clicks on a page or two.


A couple of posts? Okay. I thought you looked at 300.

When you click on "find posts" you get the latest 300 results arranged 15 per page, FYI. I looked through a few pages skimming the first few sentences.


Anyway, No one is asking you to respond, but that you do with a criticism of me isn't -- as I said -- a defense of the administration. Nor does it serve any other purpose that I can discern.

So, why respond at all?

Because your criticisms warrant just enough response to note that they aren't worth responding to, generally.

Honestly, I wish it were otherwise. I point this stuff out, in the vain hope that someday you might set aside some of the vitriol and outright partisan dishonesty. That is why I reply, although I could be nicer about it, I guess.

I'm only human.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

It could be that not sticking his dick into every single international event could be the best play for the future in the ME.

lol that Bush had some feck.

ding ding ding ding

The last thing the Republicans want is the return of the Pat Buchannan style "America first, I don't give a fuck about the others because it will be best if I don't interfere" of thinking within their own base.

Yoni's post simply reaffirms my belief that Republican politicals are fuming right now over the idea of a non-violent, non-turbulent transition of power in Egypt.

The only things Republicans have going for them in this regard (assuming that no violent [mass reported] episodes occur prior to 2012 election) is the undeniable fact that the Democrats suck copious taint at getting the most out of their arsenal, whereas Republicans are the best in the business.

I can see the Republicans swaying personal opinion over this issue, even when coming from a position of relative weakness. But right now, if this stays non-violent, Obama has a wicked shell in his shotgun to blast any "viable" Republican candidate in 2012, if he can use it properly.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Pretty cool events today, I only wish I had been able to watch it on TV as opposed to listen to it on the radio.

I would like to hope this transition of power means something for the common man in Egypt, and you can call me a cynical bastard if you want, but looking at the situation the best the people can hope for is lip service to their true grievances. The politicians who would actually try to improve their well being would eventually get voted out immediately or assassinated.

What is truly interesting to me is the quick rise in the incidence of social networking and internets with the growing young demo of these rioting countries in the ME.
If only Nasser had been born into this kind of situation. IMO he's the last Egyptian leader who had any true desire or chance to better the Arab peoples of the Middle East. I doubt anything will really happen to better the Egyptian people's situation. It's just another case of kicking the can down the road.

[MannyIsGod]

CBF, I think you miss the fact that democracy actually works better in countries around the world than it does here since people don't give a shit here for the most part. If the Egyptians get a democracy out of this and they hold their leaders accountable they'll do very well for themselves.

A lot of hard work left for them but they're off to a hell of a start. This is pretty much as good as they could hope for so far.

[MannyIsGod]

BTW I think your comment about the Yonis of the world being pissed was spot on.

[Nbadan]

Bush's Role In The Revolution
by Chris Bodenner

He may have helped in a roundabout way:


In an interesting and even ironic way, the resistance in Egypt can be traced back to President George W. Bush and the war in Iraq. Protesting against Bush's violent means of spreading democracy, a loosely formed group organized the largest demonstrations in Egypt's history around the March 20, 2003, invasion. They eventually became known as Kefaya, meaning "Enough." Adopting the mission to bring down Mubarak and restore power to the Egyptian people, Kefaya held regular protests that called for the end of the emergency law, more freedom for the Egyptian people, and better handling of the economy -- essentially similar demands seen in Tahrir Square today. After heavy activity in 2004 and 2005, the movement fizzled due to apparent conflicts between the Islamic and liberal activists.

Out of Kefaya grew the April 6 Youth Movement whose members and affiliates played an integral role in this year's #Jan25 demonstrations. The group formed in order to support workers in the industrial town of Mahalia al-Kubra during an April 6, 2008, strike, organizing primarily through a Facebook group. Inheriting from Kefaya the lofty goal of displacing Mubarak, the group swelled to 70,000 young, highly educated and generally affluent activists by 2009.

salon (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/02/10/egypt_youth_activists_april_6_kefaya_jan25)

"April 6's stated goal of replacing the current regime with a parliamentary democracy prior to the 2011 presidential elections is highly unrealistic, and is not supported by the mainstream opposition."

- Wikileaks

[Yonivore]

Speaking of chronicling irrrationality, here is something that took longer than .6 seconds to put goether:

I stopped after the first two pages of posts. Like I said, it doesn't take much parusing to get the picture. :)

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Hell, that has all the makings of a good drinking game. :lol

"Take a shot when Yoni says the word "fuck"." :lmao
Awesome! Now, how does that defend this administration against the claims it is the worst in history?

[Yonivore]

I'm sorry, but I don't feel the need to dignify the rants and raves of a delusional lunatic with an actual rebuttal anymore than I feel the need to tell the crazy guy on the corner that the sky is indeed blue and not purple.

:lol
You've never rebutted. You've always criticized the poster.

http://www.primoexpeditions.com/pics/links/PurpleSunset.jpg

[Yonivore]

When you click on "find posts" you get the latest 300 results arranged 15 per page, FYI. I looked through a few pages skimming the first few sentences.
You misunderstood; I didn't care how many you looked at.


Because your criticisms warrant just enough response to note that they aren't worth responding to, generally.
That's pretty oxymoronic, if you ask me.


Honestly, I wish it were otherwise. I point this stuff out, in the vain hope that someday you might set aside some of the vitriol and outright partisan dishonesty. That is why I reply, although I could be nicer about it, I guess.

I'm only human.
So, how is this not the worst administration, ever?

Exactly what has been done right since January 21, 2009?

[Yonivore]

ding ding ding ding

The last thing the Republicans want is the return of the Pat Buchannan style "America first, I don't give a fuck about the others because it will be best if I don't interfere" of thinking within their own base.

Yoni's post simply reaffirms my belief that Republican politicals are fuming right now over the idea of a non-violent, non-turbulent transition of power in Egypt.

The only things Republicans have going for them in this regard (assuming that no violent [mass reported] episodes occur prior to 2012 election) is the undeniable fact that the Democrats suck copious taint at getting the most out of their arsenal, whereas Republicans are the best in the business.

I can see the Republicans swaying personal opinion over this issue, even when coming from a position of relative weakness. But right now, if this stays non-violent, Obama has a wicked shell in his shotgun to blast any "viable" Republican candidate in 2012, if he can use it properly.
Are you kidding? All Obama has done is "stick his dick in." Damn, he had Saudi Arabia berating him for embarrassing Mubarek. I like how Obama snapped to after getting bitch slapped by a Sheik.

Y'all seriously believe this idiot has a diplomatic bone in his body?

[Nbadan]

The real reason Mubarek resigned..

http://hypervocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/HyperVocal-Hosni-Lee.jpg

[jack sommerset]

This is about Eygpt not about that douchebag barry or what if a repug was at the helm. It really is pretty cool how all this went down. The military said they would not fire on it's own people and the dictator couldn't talk his way out of the shit storm. I think Eygpt is going to be okay. To bad Iran has no problem killing it's own.

[cdcast]

Didn't take long.........FauxNews on Armageddon Watch.:rollin
Beck and Hannity WOW:lol

[Gutter92]

http://totallycoolpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/28012011_egypte_riots/egypte_30.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Are you kidding? All Obama has done is "stick his dick in." Damn, he had Saudi Arabia berating him for embarrassing Mubarek. I like how Obama snapped to after getting bitch slapped by a Sheik.

Y'all seriously believe this idiot has a diplomatic bone in his body?You're seriously upset that the brutal dictator was embarrassed by Obama and happy that another brutal dictator tried to stand up for the other brutal dictator.

You're really fucked up, yoni.

[Stringer_Bell]

Are you kidding? All Obama has done is "stick his dick in." Damn, he had Saudi Arabia berating him for embarrassing Mubarek. I like how Obama snapped to after getting bitch slapped by a Sheik.

Y'all seriously believe this idiot has a diplomatic bone in his body?

I totally agree, Yoni. Barry should have told all those sand blastin bitches to suck his dick if they didn't like him sticking up for the Egyptian people's right to protest. If Mubarek's own people don't respect him enough to clear the streets, then he's already suffered the biggest embarrassment possible.

lol @ Fox News showing nothing but fires and masked men in their coverage of Egypt. omg ze rapture!!!

[RandomGuy]

Awesome! Now, how does that defend this administration against the claims it is the worst in history?

It doesn't. Still not taking the bait. :toast

Feel free to go start Yonivore Thread #45, "Obama booga booga booga", it would be more appropriate than trying to start something in a thread about Egypt.

[ChumpDumper]

I await yoni's spirited defense of Nixon and James Buchanan, although it is impossible for him to love them as much as he loves Mubarak.

[RandomGuy]

I await yoni's spirited defense of Nixon and James Buchanan, although it is impossible for him to love them as much as he loves Mubarak.

Yoni's love for any leader is directly proportional to the number of people that person has had tortured, it seems.

[Yonivore]

Still talking about me, I see.

So, have you mounted a defense of your feckless President?

[ChumpDumper]

Still talking about me, I see.

So, have you mounted a defense of your feckless President?You never defined feck.

Really, yoni -- what did you demand Obama do RE: Egypt (you know, the subject of the thread)?

What do you demand now?

Speak the feck up.

[Winehole23]

He's been comparing the Muslim Brotherhood to the Tea Party.in what way?

[RandomGuy]

Still talking about me, I see.

So, have you mounted a defense of your feckless President?

Chumpy has a good point.

What *should* Obama have done/said?

What would you have done/said?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

George Friedman, founder of stratfor was on NPR today talking about his new book "The Next Decade"

He touched on Egypt....paraphrasing, he was saying that the public perception that this was some sort of wide spread grassroots organized protests is dubious. 325,000 people in one square do not represent an entire nation. Plenty of people did not protest, we don't know where the majority of Egyptians stand. The military was extremely lucky that the revolt happened, which is why they supported the riots via friendly enforcement, and clashed with Egyptian police who were harassing protesters. Found it quite convenient that the military had this opportunity to take over, seeing as how they had been wanting to overthrow Mubarak for some time due to his succession plan not being acceptable.
Mentioned how, as of right now, the Egyptian people technically have less freedom than they did previous to Mubarak resigning.

He said more, that's all I could remember. The interview was on kera
http://www.kera.org/think
They should podcast it up soon.

[ChumpDumper]

That is why it is imperative we invade and force them to choose our choice for themselves democratically.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I don't think he'd say that is a good idea. I don't think he said that with an hostile agenda. He was just saying just looking at the numbers of protesters involved....that more people were protesting in real numbers and percentages in Iran in 1979 and East Europe in 1989. He just was not convinced by the numbers and facts we know that this was some huge grassroots thing like some have been describing it. He didn't rule out the possibility, the numbers just cast doubt on it. Overall he said it was a very weird revolution, especially in regards to how perfect a situation it created for the military.

[ChumpDumper]

Certainly, I'm just reflecting the Yoni Beck POV.

[Winehole23]

Overall he said it was a very weird revolution, especially in regards to how perfect a situation it created for the military.Can you amplify on this? I didn't listen to the podcast.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Can you amplify on this? I didn't listen to the podcast.

Well the military had been wanting mubarak out because he wanted his unqualified son to take over. When these protests started the military made sure not to piss the people off and used it to take mubarak out. They would have had difficulty doing this without the protests. Its just i was saying a page or two back, the military was the most likely to take over regardless of want the protesters wanted. That they cried for the military to save them created a perfect scenario the military could use.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

So the military wasn't behind Mubarak, huh. That's what wasn't sitting well with me. I thought the military was another arm of mubarack. If they were against him then who was leading the military. Was it all internal?

[LnGrrrR]

So the military wasn't behind Mubarak, huh. That's what wasn't sitting well with me. I thought the military was another arm of mubarack. If they were against him then who was leading the military. Was it all internal?

I'm assuming the military is supposed to fall under Mubarak, but if the generals/upper brass weren't fans of him, then they in essence mutiny. They most likely did whatw as asked of them without being supportive of his stance.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

See that's the thing. It's kinda late in the game to keep on assuming this and that. Egypt isn't in any better status than a week ago. This mutiny wasnt reported on. At least I didn't see anything on it. It's all still basically another "mission accomplished" moment sans liberal outrage......8 years later. Ahem.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, its all mission accomplished with the exception of a fucking American invasion. I don't think anyone assumes the rest is a cakewalk for the people there and they've done nothing but state (at least in this thread) that the hardest parts are yet to come. Maybe thats why there's no liberal outrage.

Late in the game to be assuming? The revolution just happened and is still on going and its late in the game not to have all the facts?

Viva, you can be amazingly stupid some days.

[LnGrrrR]

See that's the thing. It's kinda late in the game to keep on assuming this and that. Egypt isn't in any better status than a week ago. This mutiny wasnt reported on. At least I didn't see anything on it. It's all still basically another "mission accomplished" moment sans liberal outrage......8 years later. Ahem.

Huh?

[MannyIsGod]

Huh?

Just more bad equivocation by Viva in this thread.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Huh?

Just saying that it's all anyones guess whats going to happen. And anyones guess what has happened. This mutiny that's being spoken of and what not. I'm sorry Manny gets his loin cloth in a bunch just because I include "liberal" in my post. Pavlov much? And I say late in the game in reference to all the crap that's been going on in the ME for the past 30 years. Assume away. I'll gladly answer answer any questions you may have.

[MannyIsGod]

If calling you out on your bullshit constitutes my loincloth being in a bunch then I guess it is. You can try to turn the fact that you continuously make stupid statements into an argument that I am angry but I don't think anyone here is going to buy it.

Its obvious you meant late in the game to be the past 3 decades of middle eastern history because thats exactly what LNG was referencing in post in his assumptions.

You just can't admit when you're wrong. You're flayling away trying to cover up your BS and its rather ammusing

[MannyIsGod]

Also, textbook Viva passive aggressiveness responding to me with his post to LNG.

:lmao

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Oops. I didn't quote your post. Gasp. Must be fun in that box of yours Manny. With all that............studying abroad that you do.

[ChumpDumper]

If you didn't want to get hit, Viva, you shouldn't have put yourself on the tee.

[MannyIsGod]

Oops. I didn't quote your post. Gasp. Must be fun in that box of yours Manny. With all that............studying abroad that you do.

Its always fun to call you on your bullshit, Viva. Thats why I do it. Chumps right. If it bothers you that your blatantly obviously retarded posts are called out you should probably make less of them.

I can't wait to read your next failed comparison regarding Egypt.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

It's not my fault you follow a laser dot like a cat does, Manny. Oh I'm sorry I didn't quote you. I guess that's another notch for you :toast

What's this tee you speak of? I'll see if I can explain it to your level. Oh, I believe I've said that I've been wrong about things in the past so I can debunk that right off the top.

[Winehole23]

http://www.golfsartgallery.com/golf_photographs_BW/art_l100f.jpg

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/25F4044D-3E92-49CF-84F3-0783B89BC411/AX077532.jpg

[Winehole23]

So mopey and dour. Turn that frown upside down!

[MannyIsGod]

Viva, I'd say you were right with your Pavlov and laser dot references if you were intentionally trolling me. If thats the case, then bravo and job well done.

However, I think we've seen your stupidity enough to recognize it on sight. Whether your leaving notes to yourself from others or just comparing the Egyptian revolt to the pissed off middle aged white men of America its got a signature thats unmatched.

[MannyIsGod]

Also, if you want to post pictures you could always post the ones you send to creep out females on this site.

:stirpot:

[Winehole23]

Well the military had been wanting mubarak out because he wanted his unqualified son to take over. Succession anxiety. Makes sense.

[MannyIsGod]

I think its wrong to discuss the military as if they are one unified group with a monolithic mindset. I don't necessarily believe that they were not anxious about his successor, but I also think they perhaps just didn't want to gun down their own people for no good reason. I don't think the situation can easily be boiled down to the military wanting the power.

[Winehole23]

I thought the point was, the military has the power and the recent events in Egypt have allowed it to show the Mubarak crime family the door in a relatively bloodless fashion.