Overrated/Underrated..

[HarlemHeat37]

Who is in the top 3 for overrated/underrated players in the NBA, IYO?..

[DPG21920]

Overrated:

Joe Johnson (still very good, just not a #1 option)
Westbrook (excellent player, but really hyped up, on both ends of the floor)
Rudy Gay

Underrated:

Lamar Odom
Dirk
Parker

[HarlemHeat37]

I would go:

Overrated
Carmelo Anthony
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Love

Underrated
Al Horford
Zach Randolph
Tony Parker

[DPG21920]

I think Melo is ranked accurately. He is a top 3 player offensively. Plus, no one really thinks he is a number one option the likes of a Kobe or someone.

Kevin Love is teetering on overrated, but his numbers are great. It's hard to tell if he is legit because he is on such a bad team. But they are pretty competitive in most of their losses (at least vs the Spurs).

I was going to put Horford as well. Very underrated. Randolph? I don't think he is underrated. I think he is what he is and everyone knows it.

[elemento]

Overrated

Carmelo Anthony
Rajon Rondo
Kevin Love

Underrated

Zach Randolph
Al Horford
Nene

[redzero]

Durant, Wade and LeBron are better than Carmelo offensively.

[DPG21920]

Overrated

Carmelo Anthony
Rajon Rondo
Kevin Love

Underrated

Zach Randolph
Al Horford
Nene

Good call on Nene. There are quite a few on both list, but hard to narrow down to 3.

I just don't get how ZBo is underrated?

[DPG21920]

Durant, Wade and LeBron are better than Carmelo offensively.

Maybe, I would probably agree with that. Melo is right there and has the best mid range game of them all by far. He just doesn't have the athleticism.

[Pelicans78]

Durant, Wade and LeBron are better than Carmelo offensively.

Carmelo's a better pure scorer than Lebron. More moves offensively, better shooter, much better post game. A motivated Carmelo is almost impossible to stop.

[redzero]

Carmelo's a better pure scorer than Lebron.

I guess being a better pure scorer means scoring fewer points less efficiently.

[Pelicans78]

I guess being a better pure scorer means scoring fewer points less efficiently.

Melo is a better pure scorer. Lebron has a much better all-around game, but I would give the ball to Carmelo late in games because he's a better shooter and a better FT shooter.

[DPG21920]

Chris Paul is actually someone who I think has become underrated at this point. Same with Bosh. Paul was never overrated though. Bosh was and that is coming from a guy who likes Bosh's game.

[redzero]

I would rather have Carmelo shoot free throws, but if I want my team to score at the end of a close game, the ball's definitely going to LeBron.

[jestersmash]

Saw "underrated" and immediately thought of Horford. I was perusing some of the real GM forums after the all star reserve selections, and I couldn't believe the number of people going -

"Who the fuck is Horford?"

"Horford? Seriously LOL"

so on and so forth.

It's like these guys don't pay attention to anything in the NBA except for their own team.

[kobe4life]

Overrated: Durant,Bynum,Melo
Underrated:Dirk,Parker,Chandler

[HarlemHeat37]

Nene is a good pick..

Randolph is putting up monster numbers, while being the best player on a team that will more than likely end up above .500 and potentially get a playoff spot..he's underrated because I have rarely heard his name mentioned in All-Star talk, or talk in general, even though he's arguably playing as well, or better, than Love, Aldridge, etc..I've even heard David West getting more consideration than him, which is outrageous..

As for Carmelo..it might be because I live in NY, but he has been severely overrated during these trade talks..he's been talked about as if he's on the same level as Lebron/Wade/Kobe, at least here, and he's not even close to that IMO..

Love is overrated, because his defense is horrendous..for all the talk about his numbers, opposing bigs constantly outplay him, or at least match his output..

vs. Love:

Bargnani 30 points
Randolph 23-13
Millsap 30-8
Scola 20-12
Griffin 29-8-6
Aldridge 37-12
Ryan Anderson 15-11

That's just the last 9 games alone..

[DPG21920]

Zbo's defense might e worse.

[HarlemHeat37]

Maybe, but Zbo isn't getting any hype at all..

[Muser]

Overrated - Joe Johnson, Brandon Jennings & Raymond Felton (Dude had a hot start, has sucked for a long time)

Underrated - Nene (Can be dominant on both ends of the floor), Darko Milicic (Decent shot blocking big) & David West.

[ohmwrecker]

Overrated
Kevin Love
OJ Mayo
Chris Paul

Underrated
Josh Smith
James Harden
Tony Parker

[8FOR!3]

Al Horford, Wilson Chandler, Darko Milicic are guys I considered underrated. Obviously Darko's nothing special, but he's a good defensive big to have on your team.

[redzero]

Overrated
Kevin Love
OJ Mayo
Chris Paul

Underrated
Josh Smith
James Harden
Tony Parker

Who is Paul overrated by? John Hollinger? Go to any general basketball forum and make a poll, and I guarantee that Williams and maybe Rose come out with more votes than Paul.

[Muser]

Paul isn't Overrated, when his game is on he's pretty much unstoppable.

[ohmwrecker]

Who is Paul overrated by? John Hollinger? Go to any general basketball forum and make a poll, and I guarantee that Williams and maybe Rose come out with more votes than Paul.

Calm down, nit picker. Chris Paul gets plenty of hype.

I was actually trying to draw out BR I guess you will do.

[scottspurs]

Overrated: Carmelo Anthony, Andrew Bynum, Dwight Howard

Underrated: Kevin Martin, Zach Randolph, Lamarcus Aldridge

[redzero]

Calm down, nit picker. Chris Paul gets plenty of hype.

I was actually trying to draw out BR I guess you will do.

What am I nitpicking? I didn't say that Paul gets no hype.

How is Paul overrated?

[redzero]

*crickets*

[JamStone]

Overrated: Chris Bosh, Rudy Gay, Brook Lopez

Underrated: Joakim Noah, Arron Afflalo, JJ Redick

I was going to say Nene too but a few already mentioned him. If he got more primary touches on offense and they actually let him play 35 minutes a game, I think he could be a 20/10 guy. I don't know if Karl always worries about keeping him healthy, but that guy is a horse.

Bosh is still having a pretty good year putting up some good numbers and he's still really important to the Heat, but I think he's shown that he really isn't anywhere near the same caliber as LeBron and Wade. Brook Lopez was being touted as the next dominant big after his rookie year. He still can be a very good big, but he has shown more regression than anything. Is it Avery Johnson? Or has this kid already plateaued?

I know Redick isn't all that great and will never be a star, but he's really improved his all around game and made himself a pretty solid rotation player. I think a lot of people expected him to be out of the league by now. He's proven to be a very solid asset. I found it funny before the trade when he'd be on the court to finish games instead of Vince.

[Muser]

Afflalo is a good choice, why did Detroit trade him?

[DPG21920]

Good calls by Jam on the underrated. I don't agree with Bosh though. I think now, he is so marginalized in the Heat's success that he is underrated.

He is and was obviously never on Wade/Bron's level, but it's really hard to look valuable when you are the 3rd option offensively. Just ask Duncan now.

[ohmwrecker]

*crickets*

He is not as much of a leader as he needs to be, he goes through stretches where he is not helping his teammates play better and he doesn't look to score enough when the team is struggling.
Just my opinion. Don't get all bent out of shape. .

[8FOR!3]

Afflalo is a good choice, why did Detroit trade him?

Wanted to get rid of any legit defenders they still had. :lol

[Phillip]

i agree, i think prior to his current time with the heat, bosh was overrated, but now i think so many people dismissed him after his bad start with the heat, that now that he has fit in, he is getting overlooked definitely.

[Muser]

Bosh isn't over or underrated now as Phillip mentioned, he's found his niche as a teams 2nd/3rd option.

[JamStone]

Afflalo is a good choice, why did Detroit trade him?

Another foolish Dumars move, but in essence he wasn't going to get much of an opportunity behind Rip and then newly signed Ben Gordon. It was also made in order to open enough cap space to acquire Chris Wilcox. Obviously, just bad all over. Although if he stayed in Detroit, I'm not convinced he would have gotten the opportunity to show he could play this well. So for Afflalo, it was great for him simply because it gave him the opportunity he wouldn't have gotten in Detroit.

Chris Bosh is still a very good player, don't get me wrong. But I think a lot of people considered him much closer to the level of LeBron and Wade this past summer. Obviously, still the third best player of the three. But I think we're seeing that he's well down below as the third best player. He still might be just as important though because of how weak the rest of the Miami frontcourt is. Last couple years, Bosh was easily considered close to the same caliber PF as guys like Gasol and Amare, if not Dirk. Now, I think it's easy to see he's not in the class of any of those guys.

[DPG21920]

That's the part I don't agree with. While I was wrong about Amare compared to Bosh (even though Amare has come back down to Earth), I don't remember many around here claiming Bosh was better than Pau or Dirk.

I also don't think you can say it's clear to see he is not in the class of Amare... because of his role.

When you are a third option because you are playing with two top 5 players, you are going to look less impactful. If Amare was in Bosh's spot, he would be marginalized as well. Point is, I don't think Bosh is that far off from Amare and his new role obviously makes it hard to compare the guys.

[redzero]

He is not as much of a leader as he needs to be, he goes through stretches where he is not helping his teammates play better and he doesn't look to score enough when the team is struggling.

And the basketball watching populace has taken notice, which is why, as I have stated previously, people are beginning to think that Deron Williams is the best point guard in the NBA. Hornets fans on here--the people you probably used as a reference for your post--have called Paul out for his play at times. Hornets fans on Hornets message boards have called Paul out on his play. I'll ask you again: who are these people who overrate Chris Paul? John Hollinger?


Just my opinion. Don't get all bent out of shape. .

:lol at you trying to make me look bad.

Asking you to defend your position = getting bent out of shape.

Are you going to accuse me of foaming at the mouth next, so you won't have to answer my question?

[redzero]

Oh, and Paul actually trusts his teammates too much, so your second point is false. There have been far too many times this season in which he passes up shots he should take to give the ball up to Ariza, West or Belinelli.

[JamStone]

That's the part I don't agree with. While I was wrong about Amare compared to Bosh (even though Amare has come back down to Earth), I don't remember many around here claiming Bosh was better than Pau or Dirk.

I also don't think you can say it's clear to see he is not in the class of Amare... because of his role.

When you are a third option because you are playing with two top 5 players, you are going to look less impactful. If Amare was in Bosh's spot, he would be marginalized as well. Point is, I don't think Bosh is that far off from Amare and his new role obviously makes it hard to compare the guys.

Maybe. Shrugs. Difference of opinion.

[Ashy Larry]

Overrated

Carmelo Anthony
Rajon Rondo
Kevin Love

Underrated

Zach Randolph
Al Horford
Nene


Kinda hard to overrate Rondo. I mean, he can;t shoot for shit but there's a reason why the Celtics lead the league in FG% and is the only team shooting over 50%. Great on defense and gets his guys the shots they want in the spots they want.

As far as Kevin Love. A nonathletic white guy averaging 21 and 15 while shooting in the low to mid 40s from three range is hardly overrating. Maybe it's because he's on the Wolves but those numbers are beastly. He could be suffering from Al Jefferson syndrome. Putting up great number while being on a shitty squad ......

[ducks]

Who is in the top 3 for overrated/underrated players in the NBA, IYO?..

james,
manu,
d williams

[ElNono]

Overrated
Russell Westbrook
Carmelo Anthony
David West

Underrated
Al Horford
Tony Parker
Monta Ellis

[redzero]

Okay, now I gotta know who even overrates David West. :lol If this was 2009, maybe, but now?

[crc21209]

Overrated: Westbrook, Carmelo, Joe Johnson

Underrated: Nene, Aldridge, Horford

[rickross]

Overrrated: kobe, love, durant

Underrated: LEBRON, my nigga da bawss and gets not enough respekt.

[The Reckoning]

O: Carmelo, G. Wallace, Arenas :lmao
U: Nene, Deng, Randolph

look out for amir johnson on toronto. despite the team being terrible, he's shaping to be a decent all around player.

kevin martin isnt underrated because his defense just isnt there. all he does is shoot 3s and free throws.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Westbrook is the most overrated player in the league IMO. His stats are inflated by his shot volume...200 more shots than Parker this year...and the system he plays in where he dominates the ball all the time. The guy can't finish at the rim to save his life unless he gets a dunk, he misses open teammates regularly. The guy shoots 42% from the field.

[ezau]

Overrated:

Melo, Bynum, and Gasol

Underrated:

Nene, Parker, Aldridge

[Venti Quattro]

I'm only speaking in terms of the Lakers here.

Super overrated: Shannon Brown. Lots of Lakers fans are up to sucking this scrub's dick and I admit to being guilty of praising him too much just because he makes two jumpers and a game-changing dunk once every 5 games at least. I remember Fpoonsie saying that he loves SB's game. Hey brah let the last LA-SA game be a testament at how he sucks balls.

Underrated: ...might be Matt Barnes. He's needed more than ever now that Artest is just one Phil Jackson public nitpicking away from eruption

[jjktkk]

OVERRATED:

1. Lebron James
2. Amare Stoudamire
3. Carmelo Anthony

Lebron James possesses the greatest phyisical talent that I've ever seen, but until he wins a ring, hes overrated.

Stoudamire and Anthony are great scorers, but below average defenders. Can either be a leader and make his team better?


UNDERRATED:

1. Deron Williams
2. Luis Scola
3. Chris Paul

Williams and Paul are great and are acknowledged as such, but has their respective teams ever really tried to surround them with enough talent? Scola is a autmatic 20 and 10 guy every night and, while not a lock down defender, he competes and possesses a high bbiq. I wanted to put Parker on the underrated list, but I didn't want to be labeled a homer. :lol

[ezau]

Scola thread in 3, 2, 1

[eisfeld]

That should be quite a long list:

Overrated:
- Andrea Bargnani
Not exactly a star, but people tend to overrate players putting up solid numbers on a crappy team - especially big men. The Raptors should have never signed him to that ridiculous contract.

- Andray Blatche
Can put up impressive stats but lacks any kind of IQ. Great supplement player. Once his contract is over he'll surely gets a big fat contract.

- Andrew Bynum
A good player with great potential but besides being injury prone, he shows no effort on improving his game. Bitching about not playing in the 4th is more important to him than working out. Should be a valuable trade asset though.

- Wilson Chandler
Long, athletic SF - it's a long shot but I'll doubt he can play on the current level for much longer.

- DeMar DeRozan
Athleticism, explosiveness - that's what makes him so good. He's inconsistent with his jumper and much like J.R. Smith (though DeMar has a better BB IQ) has to rely on his athleticism to be a good player.

- Ben Gordon
Why the hell did the Pistons sign him to that kind of contract? He's a very very poor version of Ray Allen.

- Jeff Green
Overrated when he came into the league (Media: He might be the 2nd best player in the draft). And hasn't shown that he can live up to the hype. Maybe it's the Thunder using him as a PF often, but without a change of scenery I can't see him succeed.

- Al Jefferson
A beat on offense - great footwork - great offensive repartoire in the post. Non existent on defense. Zach Randolph V2.0

- Joe Johnson
He's a great player, don't get me wrong, but seriously not a first option on a team.

- Chris Kaman
He's been putting up monster numbers a year ago on a team without a legit big. I know he's been injured but I doubt he can put up the numbers of last season with Griffin on the team.

- David Lee
I think that one needs no explanation.



Underrated:
- LaMarcus Aldridge
This guy is beastin' - not only because he always hits his shots vs. the Spurs - but he's also more valuable to the Blazers than Roy or Oden.

- Stephen Curry
Fragile, short guard with unbelievable range. Warriors are high on him but I still think he's underrated. Could be a legit first Tier PG in the future.

- Toney Douglas
Stuck behind Felton but Douglas showed his potential. Might be a legit starter on another team.

- Devin Harris
People know he can score - people know he can't lead the Nets but what makes him underrated is his solid defense. Pair him up with a superstar and you have a deadly combo.

- Andrei Kirilenko
He's overrated to many because of his ridiculous contract. His defense is still very good and he can be a valuable asset for any team. (if not overpaid)

- Lamar Odom
He may be dumb, Mr. Kardashian, loving candy ... but he's a good player and the Lakers use him perfectly.

[MiamiHeat]

Overrated : kobe bryant