WTF Celtics?

[LnGrrrR]

Honestly... wtf? Perkins is a great defender, and another big body in the paint... and you trade him (and Nate, who can make dumb decisions but can also make some shots) for Green and Krstic?

Really? Are you just giving up this season? Wtf is the reasoning?

[rickross]

Honestly... wtf? Perkins is a great defender, and another big body in the paint... and you trade him (and Nate, who can make dumb decisions but can also make some shots) for Green and Krstic?

Really? Are you just giving up this season? Wtf is the reasoning?

im feelin 4 you. Dat shyt was dumb as fuck 4 boston.

[lefty]

Less toughness
Less outside shooting at the PG position

Really, Danny Ainge, WTF

[LnGrrrR]

And yes, I'm aware that I'm inviting LOL Meltdown LOL Bostonfan comments. Feel free.

[hater]

Sheed's coming back

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm baffled by what Boston has done, though I'm listening to WEEI right now (about 3pm) and they're saying that after Perk to OKC and after Erden/Harangody to CLE, the C's have another deal of some sort that has them landing the Clippers 2012 #1. Probably not over yet.

edit: apparently the LAC #1 in 2012 was property of OKC and was part of the Perkins/Green deal -- still confused about how LAC could trade their 2011 #1 to CLE yesterday.

[lefty]

And yes, I'm aware that I'm inviting LOL Meltdown LOL Bostonfan comments. Feel free.
This is too sad to be LOLable

WTF Ainge

[Drachen]

And yes, I'm aware that I'm inviting LOL Meltdown LOL Bostonfan comments. Feel free.

LOL permission for LOL Bostonfan and LOL Meltdown

[sefant77]

Thunder will send him back to Boston because he has a pinky eye during the exam

[jmanu20]

Yeah, this is REALLY stupid on the Celtics' part. Now the post options are an over-the-hill Shaq, a not as tough defensively Krstic, an always injured J O'Neal, and an unproven Erden. Plus, where does Green even fit in here? He obviously won't be starting like he was in OKC.

[Chillen]

I understand trading Perkins for 2 tall players that could payoff, however including Nate Robinson imo really sets them back just a tad. I think OKC got the better end of this deal, Nate and Perkins will help them. I don't understand this move by Boston at all, giving up Nate was not a good idea. I'd say if it was just Perkins, pick for Green, Kristic it's a fair trade but letting Nate go, really he was a spark off the bench for that team. I guess they figure they don't need them anymore. Of course who knows, this might turn out well for the C's but they will miss Nate.

[Mugen]

i guess the Celtics think:

-Perk's asking price would be too high after this season
-Perk's knee is worse than prev. thought
-They don't need Perk to beat the Heat
-They don't think LA is getting to the finals

Pretty big gamble on their part. Not like they have an extended window after this season so this move is kind of perplexing in that it hurts them in the short term.

[DJ Mbenga]

maybe they wanted to match the lakers and get their own odom.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

And yes, I'm aware that I'm inviting LOL Meltdown LOL Bostonfan comments. Feel free.

Actually I think the Lakers, Mavs, and Spurs fans that make up the bulk of this board want to kill Ainge just as bad as you do right now.

[Killakobe81]

I thought that about the Odom green comparisons ...but LO is better ...

Still scratching my head ...not saying thay can NOT win without him (Perk)they have done it all season and Green gives them a "chance" (i guess) at defending Bron 1 on1 ... but mehhh I still don't like it.

Maybe it's part of a bigger plan like the CaronforKwamefor Pau ...Ainge is just two moves ahead and we all can't see it?

[picc84]

Not worried about Green at all, on any team, at any position.

[LnGrrrR]

i guess the Celtics think:

You're assuming they were thinking. Big assumption.




-Perk's asking price would be too high after this season

Who cares? Dump him after the season if so

-Perk's knee is worse than prev. thought

A scary possibility, and the only one that might make this trade halfway palatable

-They don't need Perk to beat the Heat

He'd help a lot more than Krstic.

-They don't think LA is getting to the finals

Perkins would help against more than LAL.



All pretty dumb reasons to be honest. (I'm not saying you're dumb for coming up with them, those are the only ones I could think of too, but they're still dumb.)


Pretty big gamble on their part. Not like they have an extended window after this season so this move is kind of perplexing in that it hurts them in the short term.

Yup. Pretty retarded.

[Killakobe81]

And if form holds (sinday's game is big) and we at 3 and OKC at 4 ...perk just became a HUGE obstacle in the way of Duncan's 5th ...

[sefant77]

Danny Ainge discovered the ESPN trade machine today

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

Honestly... wtf? Perkins is a great defender, and another big body in the paint... and you trade him (and Nate, who can make dumb decisions but can also make some shots) for Green and Krstic?

Really? Are you just giving up this season? Wtf is the reasoning?


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao


Can you say 3peat LnGrrrR?

[LnGrrrR]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao


Can you say 3peat LnGrrrR?

I'll have to hope that OKC takes you guys out this year. :lol

[Killakobe81]

Maybe they were worried about how Pierce's offensive game tanks, when guarding Lebron? Green has the size and some quickness to guard lebron but no one stops him ... and now Perk is no longer there to intimidate him at the rim ...

[Mugen]

You're assuming they were thinking. Big assumption.



All pretty dumb reasons to be honest. (I'm not saying you're dumb for coming up with them, those are the only ones I could think of too, but they're still dumb.)



Yup. Pretty retarded.

lol i def agree with you. just trying to fig out wtf Ainge is thinking.

As a spurs fan, im just as mad because OKC is a real tough out now in the 2nd.

[hater]

Celtics saw and realized that teams like Spurs playing fast, all other teams are playing fast. They saw this year Perkins would probably be useful only vs. Lakers. and it's a 1% chance to see Lakers in this year's finals.

Celtics did not make a bad move. they played on the odds and odds are Perkins would be a liability more than asset. And also I agree his knee is probably shot.

[picc84]

Maybe they were worried about how Pierce's offensive game tanks, when guarding Lebron? Green has the size and some quickness to guard lebron but no one stops him ... and now Perk is no longer there to intimidate him at the rim ...

Only problem with that is Green is garbage so who gives a fuck.

[Mugen]

Maybe they were worried about how Pierce's offensive game tanks, when guarding Lebron? Green has the size and some quickness to guard lebron but no one stops him ... and now Perk is no longer there to intimidate him at the rim ...

First of, no way in hell Green can guard LeBron. You and I both know that :lol.

Second, why would Boston have to match up with MIA when they've owned them all season?

And not only did they add Perk, they added Mohammed.

Durant/Ibaka/Perkins/Nazr is a damn good frontline

[jermaine]

Sheed is returning & they have shaq! They rollin the dice header then a nigga in Vegas on his last stack of chips!

[hater]

again, chances of Lakers in the finals is 1% or less. No reason to keep that albatross with a bad knee in the roster just in case it happens.

[Trainwreck2100]

ainge muust have missed last night's game

[Brazil]

wait Jeff Green from OKC ?

[DJ Mbenga]

honest question. they traded erden, perkins, shaq is hurt, jermaine is hurt. is glen davis their only center right now?

[Killakobe81]

First of, no way in hell Green can guard LeBron. You and I both know that :lol.

Second, why would Boston have to match up with MIA when they've owned them all season?

And not only did they add Perk, they added Mohammed.

Durant/Ibaka/Perkins/Nazr is a damn good frontline

Hey what did i say? no one can stop Lebron ... my point was. the one weakness in the Celts defense was a good wing defender. green though not elite is good defensively ...plus anything that helps Pierce find his offense against the Celts is plus ... but I hate this trade for the Celts still. Plus OKC has a legit shot at the WCF ...that 1 seed is not looking too "cushy" right now ... for the spurs. OKC almost won last night on the tail end of a back2back in SA ...

Of course not looking forward to sunday's LAL/OKC game either my guess crowd will be hyped ...perk will be setting plenty moving screens ...

[turiaf for president]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173139

[ginobili's bald spot]

But... but... the "lakers only beat us because we didn't have Perk for a couple quarters and he is soooo important to our team". Apparently he was so important that they traded him for basically nothing.

[Brazil]

Am I the only one to think it's actually a good trade for Boston ?

[MiamiHeat]

Boston just wants the Thunder to knock the Lakers out of the West for them :lol

[mindcrime]

The plan is simple. Defeat the Lakers from a distance. If OKC plays LA and wins with Perk then Celtics don't have to worry about playing LA in the finals. No Lakers = No need for Perkins.

Miami Heat beat me to it.

[DJ Mbenga]

wojorianwski is saying the celtics playere pissed off.

[Brazil]

But... but... the "lakers only beat us because we didn't have Perk for a couple quarters and he is soooo important to our team". Apparently he was so important that they traded him for basically nothing.

nothing ? Green is a talented 6'9 guy he is only 24 years old with 3 years in the nba. Perkins is 26 with already 7 years in the nba and a fucked knee.

[LnGrrrR]

wojorianwski is saying the celtics playere pissed off.

No doubt. It's going to have an effect on the team too.

[hater]

wojorianwski is saying the celtics playere pissed off.

Garnett probably took it out with the first 5,9 or smaller person he saw first

[ginobili's bald spot]

Am I the only one to think it's actually a good trade for Boston ?

Yes, you are the only one stupid enough to think that.

[hater]

No Lakers = No need for Perkins.


exactly. that's why this trade will end up being a good one in the end.

[LnGrrrR]

Perkins defended Howard well too. Who's going to defend Howard if we meet them? Shaq can't play 40 mins a game.

[Brazil]

Yes, you are the only one stupid enough to think that.

Green has a hell of potential, he is athletic, I don't see how it's such a bad move.
Perkins has a fucked knee anyway and Green is younger.

Maybe Boston is no more afraid by lakers front court

[Flo-Rida]

daniels traded to kings btw

[Killakobe81]

The plan is simple. Defeat the Lakers from a distance. If OKC plays LA and wins with Perk then Celtics don't have to worry about playing LA in the finals. No Lakers = No need for Perkins.

Miami Heat beat me to it.

Green is not garbage he is good player ...but two things ...

1. He is best suited for an uptempo game and despute having rondo the celts are not that ...

2. Sometimes gaining a btter younger talent doesnt translate to better success. Perk and Rondo were close ...and despute KG's antics Perk was the "muscle" like slim charles or Chris/Snoop without muscle the big 3 is not the same ...

[MiamiHeat]

Perkins defended Howard well too. Who's going to defend Howard if we meet them? Shaq can't play 40 mins a game.

even if Shaq magically played 40 mins a game, we will see some Retro- Hack a shaq again :lmao:lmao:lmao

[Flo-Rida]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/02/marquis-daniels-traded-to-sacramaneto/

[hater]

daniels traded to kings btw

traded for cash


damn maybe Boston is waving the white flag

[baseline bum]

I'm baffled by what Boston has done, though I'm listening to WEEI right now (about 3pm) and they're saying that after Perk to OKC and after Erden/Harangody to CLE, the C's have another deal of some sort that has them landing the Clippers 2012 #1. Probably not over yet.

edit: apparently the LAC #1 in 2012 was property of OKC and was part of the Perkins/Green deal -- still confused about how LAC could trade their 2011 #1 to CLE yesterday.

Any idea what kind of protection is on that pick?

[FkLA]

Boston was the only team I feared, this is great news for the Spurs and the rest of the NBA. Makes no sense at all for Boston though...unless contract demands by Perk were going to be an ongoing distraction throughout the season?Even if that were the case they couldve still done better than Greene though.

[crc21209]

WOW. I am shocked and I would be completely pissed If I were a C's fan. WTF is Ainge thinking?!?!? And thanks alot now asshole the Spurs will possibly have to deal with Perkins, Ibaka, AND Nazr. And who the hell are the C's gonna use at C? Shaq who's been hurt all year? Krstic who is soft as hell? :td

[FkLA]

traded for cash


damn maybe Boston is waving the white flag

No way.

You cant possibly wave the white flag when youre the #1 seed in your conference and are a year removed from a Finals trip. That'd be insane.

[Brazil]

WOW. I am shocked and I would be completely pissed If I were a C's fan. WTF is Ainge thinking?!?!? And thanks alot now asshole the Spurs will possibly have to deal with Perkins, Ibaka, AND Nazr. And who the hell are the C's gonna use at C? Shaq who's been hurt all year? Krstic who is soft as hell? :td

maybe they will pair KG at C and Green at PF

[LnGrrrR]

WOW. I am shocked and I would be completely pissed If I were a C's fan. WTF is Ainge thinking?!?!? And thanks alot now asshole the Spurs will possibly have to deal with Perkins, Ibaka, AND Nazr. And who the hell are the C's gonna use at C? Shaq who's been hurt all year? Krstic who is soft as hell? :td

Got me. We literally traded 3 of our big guys away, for a second round pick, a decent player, and a shitty C. Woohoo.

[LnGrrrR]

No way.

You cant possibly wave the white flag when youre the #1 seed in your conference and are a year removed from a Finals trip. That'd be insane.

Exactly. It's insane. The Marquis trade was probably because they didn't think he'd play the rest of the year. That's the only thing I can take from that.

[crc21209]

And I was just stating to my GF last night about how bad Jeff Green is and how he was the weak link of that Thunder team....well there he goes now....:lol

[MiamiHeat]

Exactly. It's insane. The Marquis trade was probably because they didn't think he'd play the rest of the year. That's the only thing I can take from that.

Making space to sign Rasheed? try to sign Murphy? other cast offs who are getting bought out?

Daniels was dead weight right now anyway

[Texas_Ranger]

Is Green even playing inside the paint? He looks to me like a big SF who can shoot.

[LnGrrrR]

Making space to sign Rasheed? try to sign Murphy? other cast offs who are getting bought out?

Daniels was dead weight right now anyway

I gotta think that Sheed is going to be signed now. Ainge wants to set the record for oldest team ever to win a title.

[crc21209]

Is Green even playing inside the paint? He looks to me like a big SF who can shoot.

That's exactly what he is. A weak ass jump-shooter.....:td

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

From what little I've seen of Green on the Thunder he seems like a guy with the tools to do some things on the perimeter, just couldn't get a lot of touches sharing the floor with Westbrook and Durant. I just don't see how there's any more touches to go around heading to a team with Allen, Pierce, and KG.

[Cry Havoc]

Suddenly all four top teams in the West are unbelievably tough. GREAT deal for the Thunder, they're a force all of a sudden... the series with the Spurs if they meet probably just went from 5 games with a chance at 6 to 6 games with a possibility of 7. Ugh. But this means the Celtics are much more beatable now.

[FkLA]

Exactly. It's insane. The Marquis trade was probably because they didn't think he'd play the rest of the year. That's the only thing I can take from that.

tbh tho boston did offer perks an extension that he scoffed right?

maybe their relationship went out the window there and they deemed that him being disgruntled over the lack of an extension would be too big of a distraction...thats the only thing that would make any type of sense. but even then greene is a horrible fit in boston, they shouldve looked at other options. something like joel przybilla+rudy for perk+nate wouldve been a better move imo.

[5in10]

So the celtics basically traded ray allen for jeff green, then got jeff green back, while trading perkins?:bang

[JamStone]

Maybe it's part of a bigger plan like the CaronforKwamefor Pau ...Ainge is just two moves ahead and we all can't see it?

Are you suggesting Mitch had it all planned that he was going to trade Kwame for Pau Gasol when he traded Caron for Kwame???

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Are you suggesting Mitch had it all planned that he was going to trade Kwame for Pau Gasol when he traded Caron for Kwame???

That's just ridiculous tin-foil hat thinking.


Jerry West left Mitch instructions.

[Hoops Czar]

Honestly... wtf? Perkins is a great defender, and another big body in the paint... and you trade him (and Nate, who can make dumb decisions but can also make some shots) for Green and Krstic?

Really? Are you just giving up this season? Wtf is the reasoning?

Quite the clowning around... You act like giving up a surplus big and back up point gaurd who give the Celts a little scoring punch and nothing more for a premium scorer in Green and a decent role player of the bench in Krstic. Typical fan to say you hate the trade when deep down inside you love it. Boston doesn't lose much at all, but they gain some definite scoring punch. It deepens the entire roster.

[NBA Champs]

I get it now...C's send OKC what they need to take out L.A. and the Spurs..BOS/OKC finals. C's in 6...genius.

[poop]

they are going to glue green and krsticzczcz together

[Brazil]

Quite the clowning around... You act like giving up a surplus big and back up point gaurd who give the Celts a little scoring punch and nothing more for a premium scorer in Green and a decent role player of the bench in Krstic. Typical fan to say you hate the trade when deep down inside you love it. Boston doesn't lose much at all, but they gain some definite scoring punch. It deepens the entire roster.

happy to see i'm not the only stupid guy around here

[HarlemHeat37]

This was a good trade for the Celtics, from a long-term perspective, and it won't be a significant downgrade for this season, if they sign Rasheed, they won't lose anything IMO..

I've been one of the biggest Green haters since he was drafted, so I'm not high on him, but he might learn a thing or 2, playing with KG, Pierce, Allen and playing for Doc Rivers..he still has some potential, he gives the Celtics some athleticism..I don't think much of him at all, but at least he gives them a different dimension..

Perkins is a great screen setter, a great 1 on 1 defender and a very good team defender..however, he doesn't look the same since his injury, he's a horrible offensive player, and he's undoubtedly going to get overpaid..any team that overpays Kendrick Perkins is foolish, and Boston avoided it..he has injury concerns, and he's never going to develop any offensive ability, he's not worth the $ that he's going to get..he's going to get more than what Brendan Haywood got(depending on the CBA, obviously), which is too much, especially as the NBA continues to get faster..

Rasheed only playing for half a season will give you most of what Perkins gives you, especially since Perkins may not be fully recovered from injury, and you don't have to pay Perkins, from a long-term perspective..they're both mediocre offensive players, but Rasheed will still give you very good post D, he knows the system, and he has experience, he'll be fine..

Krstic is a solid bench big man..

[Tp9gospursgo]

Celtics just got a little worse imo....perk was a great defender.

[MiamiHeat]

Rasheed is washed up and worthless, imo.

He filled in for Perkins in the Finals after the injury to Perkins in the 1st quarter of Game 6, and they still lost both game 6 and 7.

He doesn't hustle and just stands at the 3pt line.

[TD 21]

This was a good trade for the Celtics, from a long-term perspective, and it won't be a significant downgrade for this season, if they sign Rasheed, they won't lose anything IMO..

I've been one of the biggest Green haters since he was drafted, so I'm not high on him, but he might learn a thing or 2, playing with KG, Pierce, Allen and playing for Doc Rivers..he still has some potential, he gives the Celtics some athleticism..I don't think much of him at all, but at least he gives them a different dimension..

Perkins is a great screen setter, a great 1 on 1 defender and a very good team defender..however, he doesn't look the same since his injury, he's a horrible offensive player, and he's undoubtedly going to get overpaid..any team that overpays Kendrick Perkins is foolish, and Boston avoided it..he has injury concerns, and he's never going to develop any offensive ability, he's not worth the $ that he's going to get..he's going to get more than what Brendan Haywood got(depending on the CBA, obviously), which is too much, especially as the NBA continues to get faster..

Rasheed only playing for half a season will give you most of what Perkins gives you, especially since Perkins may not be fully recovered from injury, and you don't have to pay Perkins, from a long-term perspective..they're both mediocre offensive players, but Rasheed will still give you very good post D, he knows the system, and he has experience, he'll be fine..

Krstic is a solid bench big man..

This is a terrible trade for the Celtics, both in the interim and long term. They'll have a difficult time replacing Perkins long term. Short term, they're relying on O'Neal, the oldest, heaviest player in the league, who happens to have more wear and tear on his body than any active player, to man the middle. The other O'Neal may not be able to come back this season and if he does, it's anyone's guess as to what he'll be able to give them. Krstic is the other option in the middle, but he's not a shot blocker/rebounder type.

The problem with Green is that he won't be more than a 20-24 mpg, 7th - 8th man for the Celtics, so they won't get a ton of use out of him. I'm wondering if Pierce is more injured than they're letting on?

Whether Perkins eventually get's overpaid or not is irrelevant (as is his current play to an extent, obviously anyone would need time coming off that type of injury to work off the rust, particularly a 280 pound lumbering C), this was most likely the Celtics last chance at glory and they probably just threw it away for a guy who's upside is as a mediocre starting SF or a good 6th man. There goes their main advantage over the Magic, their quality depth of big defenders to throw at the Spurs and their ability to match-up with the Lakers period.

Even if Wallace returns, I doubt he's in great shape and he's not a true C. It's fine to play him their for stretches, but going forward, can his out of shape, follow prone ass be counted on to guard Howard/Bynum/Duncan for roughly 30 mpg? Because they may need him for that.

[HarlemHeat37]

The current version of Perkins isn't the same as Perkins of the last 2 years..he has looked shitty since returning from injury..the Celtics have been worse when Perkins is on the floor, his +/- impact has been in the negative..it's possible that he might need some time to get back into rhythm, but it's also possible that his injury problems will take it's toll..

Either way, the Celtics just got some value, before overpaying him in Free Agency..

The Celtics' D has been in the top 3 all season, even when Perkins was out..

[j.dizzle]

LOL at ppl thinking Rasheed will make a difference if he comes back. Hes probably so fat & out of shape right now. Danny Ainge better hire some extra security in Boston lmao. The celtics are gonna be even worse at rebounding now. Spurs/OKC second round bitches! Cant wait for the playoffs to start.

[HarlemHeat37]

Boston wouldn't just trade their starting C for no reason..you guys are acting like this is the Cavs or Clippers front office here..

[j.dizzle]

Boston wouldn't just trade their starting C for no reason..you guys are acting like this is the Cavs or Clippers front office here..

Its all good, they still got the injured O'Neals :lol

[usdane]

Phil with the win.

ESPNForsberg: RT @latmedina: Phil Jackson tongue in cheek on Celtics trading Kendrick Perkins: "They go down as never having lost a playoff series." [via Twitter]

[mardigan]

Boston wouldn't just trade their starting C for no reason..you guys are acting like this is the Cavs or Clippers front office here..


I totally agree. This team has an amazing history of moves since Ainge. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[usdane]

Boston players livid http://www.nesn.com/2011/02/report-celtics-players-livid-over-kendrick-perkins-trade.html

[manufan10]

It's because the Celtics needed the Bonner stopper in Jeff Green. They saw how he played him last night and decided they had to have him.

Good trade for OKC thought. Their interior defense just got a whole lot better.

[Giuseppe]

Poor Ln. You must be absolutely flabbergasted.

[Spurminator]

Murphy goes to Boston now.

[FkLA]

Honestly who cares if this trades makes the Cs better 2 or 3 yrs down the line. This team is on its last wheels as far as championship aspirations go...they should be worrying about the present not the future. Who cares if Perk wouldve jetted in the off-season, you take that risk if it means the difference between winning a championship or not. Injury rust or not, Sheed still wont be able to bring what Perkins brought to the table. If we thought Sheed was fat and lazy last season I can only imagine what kind of shape he's in right now after 8 months away from basketball.

[Koolaid_Man]

Honestly... wtf? Perkins is a great defender, and another big body in the paint... and you trade him (and Nate, who can make dumb decisions but can also make some shots) for Green and Krstic?

Really? Are you just giving up this season? Wtf is the reasoning?


Hey Wigga man... you ready to bow down at the Koolaid alter yet...:lol u best be changing your sig now...:lol I told your silly ass he wasn't worth shit...like I said before:

Ratliff > Perkins:lmao

[Ghazi]

Weren't the Celtics $ this year even w/o Perk most of the season?

I think he's getting a tad overrated

[Hoops Czar]

Murphy goes to Boston now.

This ring chaser's headed to the Heat.

[Koolaid_Man]

No doubt. It's going to have an effect on the team too.


LNG...with my quotes in your sig...I'm looking like a fucking genius right now...:lol I own you my wigga....Once again Kool was right...how you like dem apples Lng....wah wah I can't hear you...:lol

[j.dizzle]

Weren't the Celtics $ this year even w/o Perk most of the season?

I think he's getting a tad overrated

Playoff basketball isnt like the regular season. It slows down & Perkins was one of the only players that could defend players like Dwight 1 on 1. Now they have a 40 year old injured Shaq & Kristic.:lol

[j.dizzle]

But Perkins did look slower since coming back. It would of probably taken him too long to get back into good shape again. Green doesnt scare anyone though, he makes a lot of boneheaded plays & Kristic icant match up with real bigs.

[The Reckoning]

LOL meltdown

[silverblk mystix]

Random thoughts....

a) Jeff Green was one of a few players in the west who willingly bent over when facing the lakers...(others are D.Williams, Peja, Boozer,Atlanta Hawks) so this is good for the west...

b) Celtics just realized that the Spurs are dominant with a new style of offense and will try to compete with the Bulls, Heat & Magic in this way ...

c) I wouldn't put it past Doc Rivers to turn Jeff Green's career around the way he did with Perkins...remember...Perkins was in no way rated better than Al Jefferson and it killed Doc to lose Al J. ...but he turned Perk into a serviceable big...

d) Lakers and Celtics fans are getting their panties in a twist over nothing...because they were never gonna meet again this year anyway.

[Giuseppe]

Random thoughts....

a) Jeff Green was one of a few players in the west who willingly bent over when facing the lakers...(others are D.Williams, Peja, Boozer,Atlanta Hawks) so this is good for the west...

b) Celtics just realized that the Spurs are dominant with a new style of offense and will try to compete with the Bulls, Heat & Magic in this way ...

c) I wouldn't put it past Doc Rivers to turn Jeff Green's career around the way he did with Perkins...remember...Perkins was in no way rated better than Al Jefferson and it killed Doc to lose Al J. ...but he turned Perk into a serviceable big...

d) Lakers and Celtics fans are getting their panties in a twist over nothing...because they were never gonna meet again this year anyway.

Silv, runnin' as fast as he can.

ha, ha.

[silverblk mystix]

Silv, runnin' as fast as he can.

ha, ha.

and you're sniffing...right behind me in multiple threads...try to keep up...

[MiamiHeat]

Murphy goes to Boston now.

Don't be so sure. The Heat are in desperate need of a Center, MORE SO than Boston.

[j.dizzle]

Random thoughts....

a) Jeff Green was one of a few players in the west who willingly bent over when facing the lakers...(others are D.Williams, Peja, Boozer,Atlanta Hawks) so this is good for the west...

b) Celtics just realized that the Spurs are dominant with a new style of offense and will try to compete with the Bulls, Heat & Magic in this way ...

c) I wouldn't put it past Doc Rivers to turn Jeff Green's career around the way he did with Perkins...remember...Perkins was in no way rated better than Al Jefferson and it killed Doc to lose Al J. ...but he turned Perk into a serviceable big...

d) Lakers and Celtics fans are getting their panties in a twist over nothing...because they were never gonna meet again this year anyway.

e) LOL bonner

[MiamiHeat]

Boston wouldn't just trade their starting C for no reason..you guys are acting like this is the Cavs or Clippers front office here..

It was not for "no reason"

It was because they were going to lose Perkins no matter what in the off-season. So they traded him now to get some value and see if they can sign Troy Murphy or some other guys who get bought out.

It's not a terrible plan, but it definitely is a gamble and makes them a weaker team in the short term.

[Giuseppe]

and you're sniffing...right behind me in multiple threads...try to keep up...

I'm with ya, daddy. Lead on!

[bostonguy]

I am 100% against this trade. I have accepted the fact that the season is over for the Celts. A weak old/crappy set of bigs makes this team much weaker on D. Kristic is a piece of shit. Shaq is too injury prone. Sheed? :lmao:lmao As a 5th big, hell yeah. As a 1-2 big, no. Plus I doubt he will return knowing he will be relied on.

I also don't care much for Jeff Green. Yay so he is going to give the celts some depth at the 3. BFD.


The Celts went from being the top dog in the east to now a team with the ceiling of telling Miami good luck in the finals. :lmao:lmao

[Giuseppe]

^I'll give ya credit for taking the shit sandwich and eating it, Guy. You're a man's man.

& I'm serious. Most fans would massage this trade and brazen it out.

Bully, Guy, bully for you.

[bostonguy]

^I'll give ya credit for taking the shit sandwich and eating it, Guy. You're a man's man.

& I'm serious. Most fans would massage this trade and brazen it out.

Bully, Guy, bully for you.

Good luck vs Miami in the finals.

[Giuseppe]

Good luck vs Miami in the finals.

As much as I hate you guys what he brought to the Celtics was wonderful to behold on an objective level. Very rarely does that happen. Ainge is reckless to walk away from it before seeing it to it's natural culmination.

Rondo is another one of those of queer value. That they frittered with him during the contract was dangerous, but, it came out to perfection.

Not so with Perkins. You must feel sick in the pit of your stomach.

[TD 21]

I am 100% against this trade. I have accepted the fact that the season is over for the Celts. A weak old/crappy set of bigs makes this team much weaker on D. Kristic is a piece of shit. Shaq is too injury prone. Sheed? :lmao:lmao As a 5th big, hell yeah. As a 1-2 big, no. Plus I doubt he will return knowing he will be relied on.

I also don't care much for Jeff Green. Yay so he is going to give the celts some depth at the 3. BFD.


The Celts went from being the top dog in the east to now a team with the ceiling of telling Miami good luck in the finals. :lmao:lmao

I agree with everything but the last part. This doesn't take the Celtics out of contention, as far as making the Finals goes. They can still beat the Heat. Only now, the task got tougher.

What is with the mass exodus, though? Daniels, Erden and Harangody? They're down to twelve players and at least one of them is out right now. Even if they pluck a vet or two after the buyout period, their depth has been decimated. I'm skeptical that J. O'Neal will be able to give them anything. Bradley is too raw to be in the playoff rotation and Wafer too erratic. So they're looking at a nine man rotation featuring the core four starters, presumably S. O'Neal will start and that leaves Davis, Green, West and Krstic off the bench.

Barring a catastrophic injury, I will not rule them out (nor the Spurs, Lakers or Heat). But I must say, before this trade I still didn't have them beating the Spurs in the Finals, but I had it at almost a 50/50 proposition. Now, I look at it more like 60/40 Spurs.

You also got to factor in the chemistry aspect. Already, there's reports that the Celtics' vets are furious.

[BlackSwordsMan]

In 7 words or less make bostonguy feel better.

[bostonguy]

As much as I hate you guys what he brought to the Celtics was wonderful to behold on an objective level. Very rarely does that happen. Ainge is reckless to walk away from it before seeing it to it's natural culmination.

Rondo is another one of those of queer value. That they frittered with him during the contract was dangerous, but, it came out to perfection.

Not so with Perkins. You must feel sick in the pit of your stomach.

I do/did. I just hated that the KG/Allen/Pierce era had to end this way. It fucking sucks. #1 seed in the east and 2nd best overall record and Ainge decides to blow it all up? :lmao

[Giuseppe]

In 7 words or less make bostonguy feel better.

It's impossible, Swords. There is no rehabilitation from this Perkins event.

It's a total loss.

[TD 21]

I am 100% against this trade. I have accepted the fact that the season is over for the Celts. A weak old/crappy set of bigs makes this team much weaker on D. Kristic is a piece of shit. Shaq is too injury prone. Sheed? :lmao:lmao As a 5th big, hell yeah. As a 1-2 big, no. Plus I doubt he will return knowing he will be relied on.

I also don't care much for Jeff Green. Yay so he is going to give the celts some depth at the 3. BFD.


The Celts went from being the top dog in the east to now a team with the ceiling of telling Miami good luck in the finals. :lmao:lmao

I agree with everything but the last part. This doesn't take the Celtics out of contention, as far as making the Finals goes. They can still beat the Heat. Only now, the task got tougher.

What is with the mass exodus, though? Daniels, Erden and Harangody? They're down to twelve players and at least one of them is out right now. For the time being, at least, their depth has been decimated. I'm skeptical that J. O'Neal will be able to give them anything. Bradley is too raw to be in the playoff rotation and Wafer too erratic. So they're looking at a nine man rotation featuring the core four starters, presumably S. O'Neal will start and that leaves Davis, Green, West and Krstic off the bench.

If they can't get Murphy or coax Wallace out of retirement, I think they'll probably bring back Powe, after he's inevitably bought out. If Ford's bought out, I could see them bringing him in, too. Kapono and Head are other options, if bought out. But if they're healthy, none will crack the playoff rotation.

Barring a catastrophic injury, I will not rule them out (nor the Spurs, Lakers or Heat). But I must say, before this trade I still didn't have them beating the Spurs in the Finals, but I had it at almost a 50/50 proposition. Now, I look at it more like 60/40 Spurs.

You also got to factor in the chemistry aspect. Already, there's reports that the Celtics' vets are furious.

[bostonguy]

Oh and a gimpy crappy version of Perkins still>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kristic/Green/Jermaine/Shaq

[Hoops Czar]

I do/did. I just hated that the KG/Allen/Pierce era had to end this way. It fucking sucks. #1 seed in the east and 2nd best overall record and Ainge decides to blow it all up? :lmao

Now you know the pain of Spurs fans when Mahimni left.

[Capt Bringdown]

Am I the only one to think it's actually a good trade for Boston ?

Warm to the idea. The Celtics were playing pretty damn good when Perkins was out, I reckon they felt they had some redundancy at that position that could be dealt.

Pierce and Allen aren't spring chickens - Allen especially, although he's having a good year he needs 12 screens to get open.

I think this move make the Celtics more dangerous, we'll see how they gel together in the remainder of the season.

[MannyIsGod]

In 7 words or less make bostonguy feel better.

They're making a sequel to Celtic Pride.

[Red Hawk #21]

Warm to the idea. The Celtics were playing pretty damn good when Perkins was out, I reckon they felt they had some redundancy at that position that could be dealt.

Pierce and Allen aren't spring chickens - Allen especially, although he's having a good year he needs 12 screens to get open.
I think this move make the Celtics more dangerous, we'll see how they gel together in the remainder of the season.

And Perkins screens help greatly in that area, we'll see if Krstic learns the art of the moving screen. Even if he does, I highly doubt he'll ever be able to do it as well as KG and Perk. And what about the toughness Perk brings? How will that be replaced, the guy is just a bully. Him and KG compliment each other for that reason. Krstic is the kind of guy KG hates, a soft euro player. And now, he'll have to team up with him. KG and the other Celts can't be happy about this.

[anakha]

Perkins' contract is up after this season, and he's already rejected an extension offer from Boston.

I guess Ainge finally gave up on getting him to stay at the price they wanted.

[Capt Bringdown]

And Perkins screens help greatly in that area, we'll see if Krstic learns the art of the moving screen.

Ouch, good point. I forgot that Perkins is a master of the moving screen. No worries, I'm sure the Doc will explain the wonders of Boston Garden's infamous no-call zone, aka Moving Screen Arena.

[Jt.ONE]

lol boston
lol giving up
lol doc rivers
lol "out 5 has never been beaten"

i feel bad for ya LnG, i do

[LnGrrrR]

Quite the clowning around... You act like giving up a surplus big and back up point gaurd who give the Celts a little scoring punch and nothing more for a premium scorer in Green and a decent role player of the bench in Krstic. Typical fan to say you hate the trade when deep down inside you love it. Boston doesn't lose much at all, but they gain some definite scoring punch. It deepens the entire roster.

Premium scorer? Define premium...

And yes, we lacked depth when Marquis went down. But now we lack depth at center, so that's not really a good workaround in my eyes.

[LnGrrrR]

This was a good trade for the Celtics, from a long-term perspective, and it won't be a significant downgrade for this season, if they sign Rasheed, they won't lose anything IMO..

I've been one of the biggest Green haters since he was drafted, so I'm not high on him, but he might learn a thing or 2, playing with KG, Pierce, Allen and playing for Doc Rivers..he still has some potential, he gives the Celtics some athleticism..I don't think much of him at all, but at least he gives them a different dimension..

Perkins is a great screen setter, a great 1 on 1 defender and a very good team defender..however, he doesn't look the same since his injury, he's a horrible offensive player, and he's undoubtedly going to get overpaid..any team that overpays Kendrick Perkins is foolish, and Boston avoided it..he has injury concerns, and he's never going to develop any offensive ability, he's not worth the $ that he's going to get..he's going to get more than what Brendan Haywood got(depending on the CBA, obviously), which is too much, especially as the NBA continues to get faster..

Rasheed only playing for half a season will give you most of what Perkins gives you, especially since Perkins may not be fully recovered from injury, and you don't have to pay Perkins, from a long-term perspective..they're both mediocre offensive players, but Rasheed will still give you very good post D, he knows the system, and he has experience, he'll be fine..

Krstic is a solid bench big man..

Fair points. I'm going to discount the one about long-term issues, because really, I want to win this year. I understand the C's are going to go to crap in a year or two; I can begrudingly accept that.

And if Perkins can't fully recover, I understand that too.

But damn it, that starting five has been together since 2007, they won a ring together, and they almost won one last year. It's fucking criminal to split them up. And yes, I'm speaking more as a fan than an analyst here.

[LnGrrrR]

Poor Ln. You must be absolutely flabbergasted.

Yup. Thanks for the recognition Culby.

[LnGrrrR]

Hey Wigga man... you ready to bow down at the Koolaid alter yet...:lol u best be changing your sig now...:lol I told your silly ass he wasn't worth shit...like I said before:

Ratliff > Perkins:lmao

You fucking bastard, I knew you'd bring that up. :lmao :toast

You'll still probably be seeing him in the playoffs, he just won't be in green.

[LnGrrrR]

LOL meltdown

:toast

[LnGrrrR]

I do/did. I just hated that the KG/Allen/Pierce era had to end this way. It fucking sucks. #1 seed in the east and 2nd best overall record and Ainge decides to blow it all up? :lmao

Exactly my thoughts. I'm pretty sure that almost every Boston fan feels the same way right now.

[mavsfan1000]

Celtics screwed themselves. lol

[Jacob1983]

One of the worst trades in NBA history in my opinion. Wasn't Perkins the reason why the Celtics won the Finals in 2008 and lost the championship last year? This really hurts the Celtics and kind of takes away their elite status.

[lefty]

Celts are gonna need a Super Mega Intense KG from now on

[Killakobe81]

Fair points. I'm going to discount the one about long-term issues, because really, I want to win this year. I understand the C's are going to go to crap in a year or two; I can begrudingly accept that.

And if Perkins can't fully recover, I understand that too.

But damn it, that starting five has been together since 2007, they won a ring together, and they almost won one last year. It's fucking criminal to split them up. And yes, I'm speaking more as a fan than an analyst here.

Lngrr Harlem, makes some good points ... and Green though not the sharpest tool in the shed, may very well benefit and develop being around the Celtics great history and the big 3 ...

But Perk made me nervous. He scared Pau shitless. Bynum had to deal with him. Sure, the league is getting smaller and playing faster but that frontline was what made the Celts tough to beat. That and GREAT defensive chemistry ... I just think when you are playing THAT well why mess that up. And why makeover your team to match the teams that have not won shit? The Steelers & Pats for example dont change their formula much they force YOU to adjust to what THEY do well ...

Still dont like this deal ... but Green is a versatile player and a better scorer than Perk I guess ...

Yes, i would of traded Bynum for Melo but like Lngrr I undertsnad whywe did not. Trading away size when it is a precious commodity from a title team is never easy to do ...nor prudent.

[Cessation]

LOL celtics FO meltdown, panic mode!

[baseline bum]

Lngrr Harlem, makes some good points ... and Green though not the sharpest tool in the shed, may very well benefit and develop being around the Celtics great history and the big 3 ...

But Perk made me nervous. He scared Pau shitless. Bynum had to deal with him. Sure, the league is getting smaller and playing faster but that frontline was what made the Celts tough to beat. That and GREAT defensive chemistry ... I just think when you are playing THAT well why mess that up. And why makeover your team to match the teams that have not won shit? The Steelers & Pats for example dont change their formula much they force YOU to adjust to what THEY do well ...

Still dont like this deal ... but Green is a versatile player and a better scorer than Perk I guess ...

Yes, i would of traded Bynum for Melo but like Lngrr I undertsnad whywe did not. Trading away size when it is a precious commodity from a title team is never easy to do ...nor prudent.

That history isn't going to give Green shots ahead of Pierce, Ray Allen, and KG. This move just makes no sense.

[DJ Mbenga]

phil jackson still has it:
http://twitter.com/latmedina/status/40889119609458688

[Yorae]

Is this somehow a weird way of beating the lakers by making the thunder beat them? wtf celtics....

[cobbler]

In 7 words or less make bostonguy feel better.

Overrated, the Celtic defensive system made him.

[Yorae]

Before feeling pity for the boston guys....do you realize how fuck the west is now? I mean nazr and perkins manning the middle? wtf.....

[Capt Bringdown]

Ainge betting it all on Shaq? Strange days indeed!


"[Perkins] wasn’t interested in doing a contract extension," Ainge said. "He wanted to test the market." It was reported that the Perkins rejected a four-year $22 million offer from the team. Perkins was reportedly asking for $30 million over the same period. "It's tough to play the O'Neals and Perk at the same time," Ainge said. "Shaq has proven to be better with our starters. We beat all of the top teams without Kendrick."

Danny "Agonized" Over Deal, Perkins Shed Tears (http://www.celticsblog.com/2011/2/24/2014110/danny-agonized-over-deal-perkins-shed-tears?ref=yahoo)

[LnGrrrR]

Ainge betting it all on Shaq? Strange days indeed!



Danny "Agonized" Over Deal, Perkins Shed Tears (http://www.celticsblog.com/2011/2/24/2014110/danny-agonized-over-deal-perkins-shed-tears?ref=yahoo)

Yeah, I saw that quote and my eyebrows raised so high that I think they bumped into a satellite. Relying on Shaq and Jermaine? Really?

[Fpoonsie]

:lmao

Shaq carrying a team's interior D. I can't wait for that fat fuck to get dismantled by MIA/CHI/ORL...

[Capt Bringdown]

:lmao

Shaq carrying a team's interior D. I can't wait for that fat fuck to get dismantled by MIA/CHI/ORL...

If he can even manage to stay on the floor.

[Venti Quattro]

The fuck is Ainge thinking?

I thought he was their missing piece in last year's game 7? And now they're just going to trade him like that?

[Venti Quattro]

Phil with the win.

ESPNForsberg: RT @latmedina: Phil Jackson tongue in cheek on Celtics trading Kendrick Perkins: "They go down as never having lost a playoff series." [via Twitter]

Phil trolling, nothing to see here :lmao :lmao :lmao

[LkrFan]

Perkins is probably the best low post defender in the league. How in the hell could he not be worth $30M? And why are the Celtics being so effing cheap? Cheapness made the following players walk: Posey, T Allen, and now Perk is gone. They all were key players to the Celtic 2008 championship team. That team played OUTSTANDING defense and Perk was in the middle of it all. It's sad too because normally big guys are worth at least that much. You can't really put a price on the things Perk brought to the table defensively. Now you guys are depending on 39 year old Shaq to deal with Bynum, Pau, and LO? The Celtics are in trouble. I don't see them getting past the Bulls or even...the Hype tbh.

If Boston does get out of the East, the big bad Lakers will be waiting. We still got our size, we still got championship swagger, and we still remember 2008's game 6 debacle. Kobe surely won't show them any mercy either. He would become the first Laker in team history to defeat the Celtics twice in the Finals. No Posey or Tony Allen to slow him down. Let's ponder who the Celtics have on defense to check Kobe: Ray Ray, Delonte and ex-Laker Von Wafer. These are the defensive studs that are standing in his way from him getting #6.

Please excuse me while I get this out of my system: :lmao

This must suck for LnGrrrR. :toast

[namlook]

Phil with the win.

ESPNForsberg: RT @latmedina: Phil Jackson tongue in cheek on Celtics trading Kendrick Perkins: "They go down as never having lost a playoff series." [via Twitter]

:lmao Damn, Phil will be missed for his verbal quips as much as his coaching.

[Giuseppe]

Perkins is probably the best low post defender in the league. How in the hell could he not be worth $30M? And why are the Celtics being so effing cheap? Cheapness made the following players walk: Posey, T Allen, and now Perk is gone. They all were key players to the Celtic 2008 championship team. That team played OUTSTANDING defense and Perk was in the middle of it all. It's sad too because normally big guys are worth at least that much. You can't really put a price on the things Perk brought to the table defensively. Now you guys are depending on 39 year old Shaq to deal with Bynum, Pau, and LO? The Celtics are in trouble. I don't see them getting past the Bulls or even...the Hype tbh.

If Boston does get out of the East, the big bad Lakers will be waiting. We still got our size, we still got championship swagger, and we still remember 2008's game 6 debacle. Kobe surely won't show them any mercy either. He would become the first Laker in team history to defeat the Celtics twice in the Finals. No Posey or Tony Allen to slow him down. Let's ponder who the Celtics have on defense to check Kobe: Ray Ray, Delonte and ex-Laker Von Wafer. These are the defensive studs that are standing in his way from him getting #6.

The goods/absolute style.