What happens when you die?

[mouse]

Well, I don't know exactly what it is you are hung up with what a preacher says--so I can't discuss that-because preachers say so many things...

religion is a whole other debate...

I was talking about spirituality and truth...not about religion.

^ this man gets it. You can talk about afterlife without bringing in Jesus every 2 minutes.

Blake and others want you to hitch your points on the religion and Bible wagon so they can come down on you like johnsmith on a new gay pron site.

They have tons of links to use hoping you pull out the Bible card but it isn't going to happen.

[TE]

And yeah, who didn't know this thread would become a science vs faith thread?

[ALVAREZ6]

silverblk, I think your "truth" about the afterlife is more influenced by what you want/hope it to be...just sayin.

[Blake]

Well, I don't know exactly what it is you are hung up with what a preacher says--so I can't discuss that-because preachers say so many things...

religion is a whole other debate...

I was talking about spirituality and truth...not about religion.

you were the one that stated that preachers get it wrong.

I'm simply asking how you are so sure they have it wrong and you have it right.

Very, very simple question.

Why do you keep side stepping it?

[Blake]

relax esse just having fun Monday we start fresh I bring you some theories that would make Mel Gibson wet his boxers.


for shits and giggles
check this vato's documentary collection

http://btjunkie.org/torrent/documentaries-maxxcrime-h33t/4358a88ed55e1c9eea29be37d21c1147621cb34614b1

no thanks.

pass again.

[Blake]

^ this man gets it. You can talk about afterlife without bringing in Jesus every 2 minutes.

Blake and others want you to hitch your points on the religion and Bible wagon so they can come down on you like johnsmith on a new gay pron site.

They have tons of links to use hoping you pull out the Bible card but it isn't going to happen.

she brought up preachers misinterpreting "truth".

I'm asking how she knows that she's right and they are wrong.

[silverblk mystix]

you were the one that stated that preachers get it wrong.

I'm simply asking how you are so sure they have it wrong and you have it right.

Very, very simple question.

Why do you keep side stepping it?


You stated that I am full of it...then ask me to prove something you are hung up on...this doesn't make sense.

I also answered above...that if a preacher tells anyone that GOD said anything...then how can he be right...unless he personally met god and heard it directly from god's mouth---if there is such a thing.

This pretty much tells you how a preacher is misinformed. You won't hear a mystic or a zen master quoting anything that god said because it just doesn't make sense...how can love speak? Can the eye see itself? Can the knife cut itself?

You want answers that fit into your preconceptions and you want confirmation of what you already believe or don't believe...but that is not truth-seeking...that is just seeking to confirm what you already believe.

To see truth you have to be open to whatever you might discover--even if it means to discover that you have been taught wrong...this terrifies most people because they don't really want truth. They want truth--provided they can still keep this or that or only if it fits into the box that they subscribe to.

[silverblk mystix]

silverblk, I think your "truth" about the afterlife is more influenced by what you want/hope it to be...just sayin.


What is my truth about the afterlife? I don't remember saying what my truth about the afterlife is...please enlighten me on this.

[silverblk mystix]

she brought up preachers misinterpreting "truth".

I'm asking how she knows that she's right and they are wrong.


She?

If you are referring to me--this is innaccurate.

[Blake]

You stated that I am full of it...then ask me to prove something you are hung up on...this doesn't make sense.

I asked you to answer why you don't believe what a preacher says is true but you think your belief system is.

I think your arrogance in this manner makes you full of it.


I also answered above...that if a preacher tells anyone that GOD said anything...then how can he be right...unless he personally met god and heard it directly from god's mouth---if there is such a thing.

The bible is the word of God according to the Bible.

The bible says the fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Who are you to question that God could say such a thing?


This pretty much tells you how a preacher is misinformed. You won't hear a mystic or a zen master quoting anything that god said because it just doesn't make sense...how can love speak? Can the eye see itself? Can the knife cut itself?

you don't understand how the bible works, do you.

The truth is that your belief system is no better than the preacher's that you consistently dismiss.

Why do you continue to insist that the preacher is misinformed and you are not?

If you have never seen or talked to God, how do you know that nobody else has or has not? Who are you to call a preacher misinformed/lying?


You want answers that fit into your preconceptions and you want confirmation of what you already believe or don't believe...but that is not truth-seeking...that is just seeking to confirm what you already believe.

I want you to confirm what you believe is the "truth".


To see truth you have to be open to whatever you might discover--even if it means to discover that you have been taught wrong...this terrifies most people because they don't really want truth. They want truth--provided they can still keep this or that or only if it fits into the box that they subscribe to.

I absolutely agree.

It probably terrifies you that the truth is probably nothing more than what you see in front of your face.

It seems you'd rather play the part of enlightened zen master which apparently eases your fears.

[Blake]

She?

If you are referring to me--this is innaccurate.

I misinterpreted previous posts.

The truth has been duly noted.

[silverblk mystix]

I asked you to answer why you don't believe what a preacher says is true but you think your belief system is.

I think your arrogance in this manner makes you full of it.



The bible is the word of God according to the Bible.

The bible says the fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Who are you to question that God could say such a thing?



you don't understand how the bible works, do you.

The truth is that your belief system is no better than the preacher's that you consistently dismiss.

Why do you continue to insist that the preacher is misinformed and you are not?

If you have never seen or talked to God, how do you know that nobody else has or has not? Who are you to call a preacher misinformed/lying?



I want you to confirm what you believe is the "truth".



I absolutely agree.

It probably terrifies you that the truth is probably nothing more than what you see in front of your face.

It seems you'd rather play the part of enlightened zen master which apparently eases your fears.

#1) I don't agree that I am arrogant--but if you feel that way--that's your deal.

#2) The bible is a book that human beings attribute to god...but no-one in the history of human beings has ever seen or heard anything directly from him....have you? In that case it is perfectly normal to question this alleged word of god. If you swallowed the lie that god wrote the bible--then who is misinformed here? And who are you to confirm that the bible is the word of god?

#3) I am not aware of any fear that prevents me from being open to the truth. I don't cling to any religion, any book or any set truth. I am open to anything in regards to life/death/spirituality/god/love... I have no conclusions of where these things lead to and I have no fear if there is or isn't an afterlife...I am perfectly content to live my time and die when it's my time..I am not the least bit worried what awaits us after this life...why are you so afraid of the unknown?

[Blake]

#1) I don't agree that I am arrogant--but if you feel that way--that's your deal.

#2) The bible is a book that human beings attribute to god...but no-one in the history of human beings has ever seen or heard anything directly from him....have you? In that case it is perfectly normal to question this alleged word of god. If you swallowed the lie that god wrote the bible--then who is misinformed here? And who are you to confirm that the bible is the word of god?

#3) I am not aware of any fear that prevents me from being open to the truth. I don't cling to any religion, any book or any set truth. I am open to anything in regards to life/death/spirituality/god/love... I have no conclusions of where these things lead to and I have no fear if there is or isn't an afterlife...I am perfectly content to live my time and die when it's my time..I am not the least bit worried what awaits us after this life...why are you so afraid of the unknown?

1) you being sure of yourself and sure that others misinterpret "truth" makes you arrogant by definition.



2) You still continue to miss the point. I have not confirmed that the bible is the word of God and never will.

You, however, assume that God exists yet you assume the Bible is not God's word.

Why is this? Who are you to say that your God is the right God and a preacher's God is the wrong God?



3) You don't cling to any religion or any set truth, but you constantly refer to mystics as being the ones closest to the truth.

you claim that they are right and that preachers are wrong. I don't really think you understand how Zen Buddhism works.

you are saying a bunch of different things from post to post and a lot of it is just crap in which you apparently are trying to make yourself look enlightened.

I think you are ultimately full of it.

[silverblk mystix]

1) you being sure of yourself and sure that others misinterpret "truth" makes you arrogant by definition.



2) You still continue to miss the point. I have not confirmed that the bible is the word of God and never will.

You, however, assume that God exists yet you assume the Bible is not God's word.

Why is this? Who are you to say that your God is the right God and a preacher's God is the wrong God?



3) You don't cling to any religion or any set truth, but you constantly refer to mystics as being the ones closest to the truth.

you claim that they are right and that preachers are wrong. I don't really think you understand how Zen Buddhism works.

you are saying a bunch of different things from post to post and a lot of it is just crap in which you apparently are trying to make yourself look enlightened.

I think you are ultimately full of it.


#1) Agree to disagree here, apparently.

#2) Again--your idea of who or what god is differs from what god or love is--so we can never agree here either--you can believe in any god or definition of god you want--it doesn't make it any more true than someone believing otherwise and it has nothing to do with truth--only opinions.
I never assumed there is a god by YOUR definition of god---I said that I believed god is love-no more - no less.

#3) We're going in circles here as I said a certain instance of a preachers actions...if you would like to give an example of what a preacher asserts-then I can see if we agree or disagree with said preacher--otherwise...you just keep clinging to comparing a preacher to a mystic.

If I am full of it we don't have to continue...why would you care what someone who is full of it thinks or says anyway?

[Blake]

#1) Agree to disagree here, apparently.

I don't agree to disagree with textbook definitions.


#2.........I said that I believed god is love-no more - no less.


no problem except that you further arrogantly state the Bible is wrong and preachers misinterpret truth.


#3) We're going in circles here as I said a certain instance of a preachers actions...if you would like to give an example of what a preacher asserts-then I can see if we agree or disagree with said preacher--otherwise...you just keep clinging to comparing a preacher to a mystic.

If I am full of it we don't have to continue...why would you care what someone who is full of it thinks or says anyway?

You called out the bible and preachers for misinterpreting the "truth". Ive been trying to give you the opportunity to confirm this claim. Through all of that babble, the most I received from you is that "nobody has talked to God that we know of, therefore the Bible cannot be true."

Normally, there is no problem with such an answer......but then you start talking about how mystics have it right.

This is what we keep going in circles over. I think at this point, no further posts are needed to confirm that your belief system is no more logical than a christian preacher's.

If anything, your belief system seems less logical.

[silverblk mystix]

I don't agree to disagree with textbook definitions.



no problem except that you further arrogantly state the Bible is wrong and preachers misinterpret truth.



You called out the bible and preachers for misinterpreting the "truth". Ive been trying to give you the opportunity to confirm this claim. Through all of that babble, the most I received from you is that "nobody has talked to God that we know of, therefore the Bible cannot be true."

Normally, there is no problem with such an answer......but then you start talking about how mystics have it right.

This is what we keep going in circles over. I think at this point, no further posts are needed to confirm that your belief system is no more logical than a christian preacher's.

If anything, your belief system seems less logical.


That might be the problem for you there...you are trying to use logic in an area where logic is not called for.

I never stated any belief in a belief sytem.

Do you believe in the bible--because it seems that you are pretty defensive whenever the bible is questioned....did you write the bible...did you invent it? Then why would you get upset and throw out insults and call me full of whatever if you have no responsibility for it?

People that have been brainwashed usually get defensive when their belief system is attacked or questioned.

You oughta work on that-before you assume your knowledge or lack of knowledge is any less arrogant than anyone else's.

[rascal]

#1) I don't agree that I am arrogant--but if you feel that way--that's your deal.

#2) The bible is a book that human beings attribute to god...but no-one in the history of human beings has ever seen or heard anything directly from him....have you? In that case it is perfectly normal to question this alleged word of god. If you swallowed the lie that god wrote the bible--then who is misinformed here? And who are you to confirm that the bible is the word of god?

#3) I am not aware of any fear that prevents me from being open to the truth. I don't cling to any religion, any book or any set truth. I am open to anything in regards to life/death/spirituality/god/love... I have no conclusions of where these things lead to and I have no fear if there is or isn't an afterlife...I am perfectly content to live my time and die when it's my time..I am not the least bit worried what awaits us after this life...why are you so afraid of the unknown?


Moses spoke directly to God.

[ALVAREZ6]

Moses spoke directly to God.

:lol


:lol



el oh el

[rascal]

I don't agree to disagree with textbook definitions.



no problem except that you further arrogantly state the Bible is wrong and preachers misinterpret truth.



You called out the bible and preachers for misinterpreting the "truth". Ive been trying to give you the opportunity to confirm this claim. Through all of that babble, the most I received from you is that "nobody has talked to God that we know of, therefore the Bible cannot be true."

Normally, there is no problem with such an answer......but then you start talking about how mystics have it right.

This is what we keep going in circles over. I think at this point, no further posts are needed to confirm that your belief system is no more logical than a christian preacher's.

If anything, your belief system seems less logical.

Jesus is God who took the form of man to show man the way.

[ALVAREZ6]

Jesus is God who took the form of man to show man the way.

Absolute and proven fact.


Indisputable.

[Blake]

That might be the problem for you there...you are trying to use logic in an area where logic is not called for.

I never stated any belief in a belief sytem.

You stated you believe preachers have it wrong.


you believe in the bible--because it seems that you are pretty defensive whenever the bible is questioned....did you write the bible...did you invent it? Then why would you get upset and throw out insults and call me full of whatever if you have no responsibility for it?

People that have been brainwashed usually get defensive when their belief system is attacked or questioned.

It seems your reading comprehension skills are poor.


you oughta work on that-before you assume your knowledge or lack of knowledge is any less arrogant than anyone else's.

I admit to some arrogance because I have been through these type of discussions numerous times and still have yet to see someone back up their claims.

Your arrogance in this thread is hilarious to me in that you can claim your spiritual enlightenment is greater than a preachers.

Again, feel free to prove concretely that you are right about god and they are wrong. You haven't yet and I guessing you won't.

[Blake]

Jesus is God who took the form of man to show man the way.

You rascal troll you

[mouse]

weed (check)

beer (check)

time to kill (check)

ok Blake lets pick up were we left off......did you ever determine what a "god" is so can move forward?

[Jesus]

Jesus is God who took the form of man to show man the way.

You got that right and it almost killed me.

[silverblk mystix]

Moses spoke directly to God.

And this is stated in the bible...there you have it...

[silverblk mystix]

You got that right and it almost killed me.

who knew that Jesus was a sac kings fan!

wow!

[Blake]

ok Blake lets pick up were we left off......did you ever determine what a "god" is so can move forward?

Since I don't have a god, let's go on your definition of god.

I thought I had asked for it already.

[Blake]

And this is stated in the bible...there you have it...

Again, why do you assume your idea of god is better than the bibles?

[silverblk mystix]

Again, why do you assume your idea of god is better than the bibles?

Your reading comprehension is poorer than what you accused me of.

I clarified my preacher statement-several times.

I don't assume my idea of god is anything other than my opinion...and...
since no-one has proven or disproven the idea of god...

I would say that makes me as wrong or as right as anyone else in this field.

Pretty much EVERYTHING in the bible has been misinterpreted by religious people at one time or another.

All you have to do to see this is to see the state of the world, the hatred, the fear, the wars, the injustices ....all in the name of god...pick any god and it will be the same result. This goes for the bible/koran/ ..or any book touted as the word of god.

Here's an idea...why don't YOU...state your theory here and see what kind of proof there is for YOUR theory of god...?

[ALVAREZ6]

weed (check)

beer (check)

time to kill (check)



friends to enjoy the above with ________ (unchecked)










There's some things money can't buy. For said things, there's imagination.

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[mouse]

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:lmao

























:flipoff

[ALVAREZ6]

lol...just bustin your balls.

[mouse]

Since I don't have a god, let's go on your definition of god.


God is something you worship. To some it's money others it's the Sun,Ala,Budda,Jehova,the Pope,ect.....


I really have no problem calling the person or power source that is responsible for the Earth and all life God. But who ever it is I am sure they are just sitting back waiting until we completely destroy the planet or ourselves.

In fact I wouldn't doubt it if this God has a bet with another God on who's solar system will survive the longest.

Why can't a God get bored? or have a sense of humor?

why would we have something a God doesn't? There are only a handful of intelligent life on this planet that gets it, I am glad to be one of those that do.

[mouse]

lol...just bustin your balls.

You must have some strong hands.
:wakeup

[Blake]

Your reading comprehension is poorer than what you accused me of.

I clarified my preacher statement-several times.

I don't assume my idea of god is anything other than my opinion...and...
since no-one has proven or disproven the idea of god...

I would say that makes me as wrong or as right as anyone else in this field.

Pretty much EVERYTHING in the bible has been misinterpreted by religious people at one time or another.

All you have to do to see this is to see the state of the world, the hatred, the fear, the wars, the injustices ....all in the name of god...pick any god and it will be the same result. This goes for the bible/koran/ ..or any book touted as the word of god.

you say I'm misinterpreting, yet here you are suggesting it several sentences down in the same post. :lol

so does what you say about hatred, wars, fear, etc make the Bible wrong about Jesus being the Son of God?

simple yes or no.


Here's an idea...why don't YOU...state your theory here and see what kind of proof there is for YOUR theory of god...?

there is no god, imo.

Not on me to prove his non-existence.

see: flying spaghetti monster

[Blake]

I really have no problem calling the person or power source that is responsible for the Earth and all life God. But who ever it is I am sure they are just sitting back waiting until we completely destroy the planet or ourselves.

In fact I wouldn't doubt it if this God has a bet with another God on who's solar system will survive the longest.

Why can't a God get bored? or have a sense of humor?

why would we have something a God doesn't? There are only a handful of intelligent life on this planet that gets it, I am glad to be one of those that do.

so is this what you believe or are you still unsure?

[mouse]

so is this what you believe or are you still unsure?

I believe in Alternative Design. (said it numerous times)

[silverblk mystix]

you say I'm misinterpreting, yet here you are suggesting it several sentences down in the same post. :lol

so does what you say about hatred, wars, fear, etc make the Bible wrong about Jesus being the Son of God?

simple yes or no.



there is no god, imo.

Not on me to prove his non-existence.

see: flying spaghetti monster


Quite the cop-out...you try to challenge others then fall back on philosophy 101--so you don't have to prove YOUR point...

You don't believe there is a god...it makes you no different than the preacher or the anti-preacher...

since there is no proof either way...

like I said before...there is no proof either way and there never will be.

I'm ok with that.

[Blake]

I believe in Alternative Design. (said it numerous times)

And each time I think you've given a different definition of your theory.

How does it go again?

[Blake]

Quite the cop-out...you try to challenge others then fall back on philosophy 101--so you don't have to prove YOUR point...

When you took philosophy 101 what did you learn to be the proper way to prove god doesn't exist?



You don't believe there is a god...it makes you no different than the preacher or the anti-preacher...

since there is no proof either way...

like I said before...there is no proof either way and there never will be.

I'm ok with that.

Right, it makes me no difference that you don't recognize your ignorant arrogance.

Just wondering how far youre going to go to defend it.