What happens when you die?

[TMTTRIO]

I've just been really thinking about this lately. In the bible it says in Acts 17, God says that he has appointed a day which he will judge us in righteousness. Does the thought of standing before God and answering for what they've done scare anybody?

[baseline bum]

Apparently you.

[Tinystarz]

:huddle::stirpot::corn:

[TE]

Reincarnation..................Just kidding.


Gotcha.

[baseline bum]

What happens to you before you're born?

[redzero]

People tend to stay dead when they die. I might be wrong though.

[IronMaxipad]

I've just been really thinking about this lately. In the bible it says in Acts 17, God says that he has appointed a day which he will judge us in righteousness. Does the thought of standing before God and answering for what they've done scare anybody?

There is no god. :lol

[DMX7]

What happens when a spider you step on dies?

[silverblk mystix]

When you die...

you wake up and discover it was all just a dream....

[IronMaxipad]

And why would you be scared to talk to "God." Shouldn't you be afraid of idk the dying part first? :lol

[Nbadan]

You need to go spend some time with people who are dying and find out for yourself....

[IronMexican]

God takes us to his kingdom.

[Sisk]

Religion discussion on the internet is always good.

[Sisk]

Once Alvarez sees this thread he's going to get an erection.

[Buddy Holly]

IMO, exactly what happened before you were born. Nothingness.

Like it never happened.

[redzero]

You need to go spend some time with people who are dying and find out for yourself....

How would dying people know what happens after they die?

[Greg Oden]

IMO, exactly what happens on my website everyday. Nothingness.

Like it never happened.

[Greg Oden]

remember that one time spurfans found out Manu doesn't believe in such things?

[The Reckoning]

nobody has ever lived to tell about it

[IronMexican]

nobody has ever lived to tell about it

http://files.sharenator.com/5star_post_RE_When_i_see_one_of_castlewarsisawsome s_posts-s351x440-130693.png

[TDMVPDPOY]

ur body gets burned put into a urn with cow shit as compost

[sonic21]

You rot in the ground

[Muse]

You get taken into heaven to live with God in his kingdom for eternity of course.

J/k god doesn't exist lul ^_^

[BlackSwordsMan]

You shit yourself and you get cut open and have all of your organs removed and from there you're either buried or burnt.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Or your can donate your body to police labs which throw you out in the open so detectives can study how a body rots in different situations.

[monosylab1k]

remember that one time spurfans found out Manu doesn't believe in such things?

:lol I guarantee you of there was a way to chart that shit, we'd see a meteoric rise in atheism in SA the day Manu said that. I just wish one day Manu would say he loves drinking antelope jizz milkshakes.

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

One of three things:

your corpse is loaded into a wooden box and lowered into the ground where it will decompose until there is nothing left but bones,
your corpse is put into an oven and burned until there only a pile of ash left,
your corpse reanimates to attack and destroy the living.

[lazerelmo]

I've just been really thinking about this lately. In the bible it says in Acts 17, God says that he has appointed a day which he will judge us in righteousness. Does the thought of standing before God and answering for what they've done scare anybody?

Not anymore, I suggest you read the 16th Chapter of Acts to find out what to do before that day comes.

[ElMuerto]

Limbo

[Blake]

I've just been really thinking about this lately. In the bible it says in Acts 17, God says that he has appointed a day which he will judge us in righteousness. Does the thought of standing before God and answering for what they've done scare anybody?


Not anymore, I suggest you read the 16th Chapter of Acts to find out what to do before that day comes.

so if you believe in Jesus and will be saved, why give a flip about what God thinks of you on Judgement Day?

you might be a murderer, but as long as you play the belief card, it's all good.

:tu

[rolled up $20]

I don't know but I'll die finding out.

[hitmanyr2k]

You get a well-deserved rest.

[lazerelmo]

so if you believe in Jesus and will be saved, why give a flip about what God thinks of you on Judgement Day?

the OP apparently gives a flip



you might be a murderer, but as long as you play the belief card, it's all good.

:tu

If by "belief card", you mean "Believe in the Lord Jesus", as described by Paul and Silas in Acts 16 then yes "You will be saved" also quoting Acts 16

[TheManFromAcme]

depending on the life you lived...

hell or heaven.

pretty simple for us believers in God :D

[TheManFromAcme]

...that's an easy one...

heaven or hell

....of course that's for us believers in the almighty....:D

[Blake]

the OP apparently gives a flip

If by "belief card", you mean "Believe in the Lord Jesus", as described by Paul and Silas in Acts 16 then yes "You will be saved" also quoting Acts 16

Exactly why the op has no reason to give a flip

[Blake]

depending on the life you lived...

hell or heaven.

pretty simple for us believers in God :D

It's even more simple than that if you believe the new testament

[biological clock]

You'll just be born again but have no clue at all but you you may get a sense of deja vu during your 2nd life time.

[MANGINA]

I suspect it is just like sleeping as I don't remember ever not being alive and I don't remember falling asleep I just know that I do and that is the way I want to go. Just go to sleep and the game is over.

[Darrin]

Religion discussion on the internet is always good.

No, it's just Spurstalk. This site seems to have a special brand of stupid.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

No, it's just Spurstalk. This site seems to have a special brand of stupid.

Whining like a little bitch. Every Night.
Kuester and Prince fight against Warriors
Hamilton's tirade at Coach John Kuester
4 Pistons miss, 2 others are late for morning practice; mutiny suspected.
McGrady laughs at Kuester
Dumars' laughable statement after season of turmoil
2010-11 Prediction: 20-62 (.244)
2010-11 Detroit Pistons Record: 23-41 (.359)

[Avitus1]

You stop paying taxes... someone may or may not have to do it on your behalf though... put at least you aren't around for it.

[Darrin]

Whining like a little bitch. Every Night.
Kuester and Prince fight against Warriors
Hamilton's tirade at Coach John Kuester
4 Pistons miss, 2 others are late for morning practice; mutiny suspected.
McGrady laughs at Kuester
Dumars' laughable statement after season of turmoil
2010-11 Prediction: 20-62 (.244)
2010-11 Detroit Pistons Record: 23-41 (.359)

Thank you for making my point.

[Xylus]

SpursTalk becomes a slightly better place.

[mavsfan1000]

You rest in peace which this life never allowed you to do.

[spursfan09]

You should read up on people who have had near death experiences. They all account seeing or feeling the same thing. They see a tunnel of light, they see relatives who have moved on, or they are floating above thier bodies and they can see what's going on. But docs or scientists believe that this is all due to the brain being deprived of oxygen, and that may cause these expierences such as seeing the tunnel of light. They also claim that the floating above thier bodies and recalling what went on during that time could be due to a heightned senses. So I guess it's what you want to believe. Whether or not you have faith. I just think people think they know it all, but I just have a hard time thinking we were created at random. I mean I think its logical to think that something created something vs nothing created something.

[easjer]

I suppose it comes down to whether or not you believe that you have a soul. If you do, then the question becomes what happens to it after it's parted from your physical body. The options are nothing, reincarnation, an afterlife or something we cannot conceive of. From there, it's really about religious belief system you subscribe to.

Christians are told that they don't really need to worry over much about the day of judgment because they'll be saved by their belief in Christ as sacrifice for their sins. Whether or not any further punishment exists in an afterlife for deeds of the physical life again depends on what religious belief system you subscribe to - there is no agreement in Christianity.

As for me, I haven't any idea what happens, as I've never died that I am aware of.

[jack sommerset]

I'm hoping to bang 100 virgins

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Last I heard is you stop breathing. I may need to see if that's still the case.

[byrontx]

You already died. This is hell.

[mouse]

Your calve tats get put on eBay

[ZombieMichaelJackson]

You become more famous.

[resistanze]

You can be sure
Some will owe to get high
you may hurt till you cry
You may die...
Keep on trying
Till it's summer in the city
Till it's summer in the city

[rascal]

Go towards the white light. From there it is the portal to another dimension.

[rascal]

so if you believe in Jesus and will be saved, why give a flip about what God thinks of you on Judgement Day?

you might be a murderer, but as long as you play the belief card, it's all good.

:tu

Cards being played implies trying to fool the creator, won't happen.

[Blake]

Cards being played implies trying to fool the creator, won't happen.

You missed the point

[Blake]

I mean I think its logical to think that something created something vs nothing created something.

How was God created?

[lefty]

Poop comes out from your dead body

[baseline bum]

How was God created?

By man.

[mouse]

How was God created?

Ask Manny's father.

[Blake]

By man.

I think that seems logical

[IronMaxipad]

How was God created?


By man.



.

[Blake]

Ask Manny's father.

If he were to have a son,i bet he would get crucified over calling himself the son of manny

[Thompson]

If he were to have a son,i bet he would get crucified over calling himself the son of manny

Zing!

[Blake]

Zing!

Yes, I zinged manny's non-existent son real good.

He may not come around for three days or so after that one

[mouse]

Tying to explain to a simple minded person what a God really is or how a God could be created would be like trying to explain to some 15 year old kid in Africa how to trade stocks on wall st. It can be done, but at the end is all that effort and time really worth it?

[Thompson]

Yes, I zinged manny's non-existent son real good.


Or manny, take your pick.

[Blake]

Tying to explain to a simple minded person what a God really is or how a God could be created would be like trying to explain to some 15 year old kid in Africa how to trade stocks on wall st. It can be done, but at the end is all that effort and time really worth it?

So you are saying simple minded people aren't worth the time and effort to bring them to salvation.

Eh....they're better off not having to listen to the ridiculous contradictions of christianity.

[mouse]

So you are saying simple minded people aren't worth the time and effort to bring them to salvation.

Eh....they're better off not having to listen to the ridiculous contradictions of christianity.

Who said anything about spreading the word of God? I said "a God" trying to explain to educated people in this forum what "a God" could really mean is difficult enough. It has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with how the human mind works and how some people allow that part of their brain which contains the ego cells to dictate weather they want to be educated or not.

If you already have in your mind you will not believe shit mouse says then you cut off that part of the brain from learning thus starving those cells of badly needed information. And for what have you gained? You allowed the ego cells to shut down the intelligent cells with ignorance an narrow minded views.


also if i disappear after midnight I am late with my Grande communications payment and they are known to shut you down seconds after the new day begins. cable stays on until the morning but phone and www shut off instantaneously, as if a computer was operating the system.

[Nbadan]

I think the reason many people have trouble with religion, especially if you were raised Catholic, is because they aren't ready to repent their sins and seek guidance through personal reflection in a higher power...forget all the demagoguery.....all God wants is for you to love him...

[Sisk]

You already died. This is hell.

:lol

[mouse]

all God wants is for you to love him...

him?

[spursfan09]

How was God created?

I don't know. It's beyond my comprehension. Like I said I just don't believe this could be random.

[redzero]

all God wants is for you to love him...

Or what?

[silverblk mystix]

Your "God'' "concept''

prevents you from seeing or knowing God...

You already have an idea,image, or opinion on who or what God is and what he/she looks like...and that is a barrier when you are trying to see.

Truth/God/Love are things that cannot be explained by the human mind--they are BEYOND comprehension so stop trying to explain it.

"Don't seek the truth-just drop your opinions''

and...

"Those who know-they do not say...

and those who say...

they do not know''

[baseline bum]

6XavEirpI4M

[Blake]

Who said anything about spreading the word of God?

I did. Part of spreading God's word is trying to explain what/who God is.

I ask the same question though, if salvation is already obtained through simple belief, then is it really worth it to fly to Africa and shove a Bible in front of their faces and try to explain what/who God is?

[Blake]

all God wants is for you to love him...

and fear him

[silverblk mystix]

and fear him

This flies in the face of love...

fear is the opposite of love--though everyone thinks that hate is the opposite...

so if you fear "God"...

you pretty much lost your way...if you were trying to see or know about "God"

because we always hate what we fear....

think about it...

[Blake]

I don't know. It's beyond my comprehension. Like I said I just don't believe this could be random.

what's your belief system?

[Blake]

This flies in the face of love...

fear is the opposite of love--though everyone thinks that hate is the opposite...

so if you fear "God"...

you pretty much lost your way...if you were trying to see or know about "God"

because we always hate what we fear....

think about it...

I have thought about it.

It's why I think the Bible is bull crap.

[Blake]

Truth/God/Love are things that cannot be explained by the human mind--they are BEYOND comprehension so stop trying to explain it.


so basically God looks at humans as slightly smarter than animals.

[silverblk mystix]

so basically God looks at humans as slightly smarter than animals.

again...

you assume/assumed that God is something separate from humans...

your concept of "God" keeps getting in the way of seeing...

and regarding the bible...

maybe it is humans that have misinterpreted a book...and you are blaming the book instead of the ones who keep misinterpreting it...

[spursfan09]

.

[Blake]

again...

you assume/assumed that God is something separate from humans...

your concept of "God" keeps getting in the way of seeing...

I'm not assuming anything.

I am forming a theorem based on your concept of God.

You state that God/truth/love are beyond our comprehension.

If that's true, then God doesn't really see us as much more than animals.

Of course, that would contradict the whole point of Jesus coming down and becoming human, so imo, if the Bible is the truth, then your statement of it being beyond our comprehension is false.


and regarding the bible...

maybe it is humans that have misinterpreted a book...and you are blaming the book instead of the ones who keep misinterpreting it...

if God wrote the book, I'd blame God for doing a shitty job of getting his message across.

[ManuBalboa]

Nothing.

live.laugh.love xoxoxo

[mouse]

I did. Part of spreading God's word is trying to explain what/who God is.

I ask the same question though, if salvation is already obtained through simple belief, then is it really worth it to fly to Africa and shove a Bible in front of their faces and try to explain what/who God is?

I am not sure it is wise for me to go into sub topics about something we never agreed what it really is to began with. I think the African boy scenario I used may have slightly thrown you off of what my original point was about.

[Blake]

I am not sure it is wise for me to go into sub topics about something we never agreed what it really is to began with. I think the African boy scenario I used may have slightly thrown you off of what my original point was about.

You made the statement:


Tying to explain to a simple minded person what a God really is or how a God could be created would be like trying to explain to some 15 year old kid in Africa how to trade stocks on wall st. It can be done, but at the end is all that effort and time really worth it?

I'm expanding further on saying that aside from self-fulfillment on an earthly level, it's not worth it for a Christian to try to explain what God is to a 15 year old kid in Africa.

I understand that your original post was an intellectual jab of some sort to some of the posters here. I really don't care about that.

If you don't think it's wise for you to go into subtopics, then you're probably right. Stick to what you know and just troll as usual. :tu

[silverblk mystix]

I'm not assuming anything.

I am forming a theorem based on your concept of God.

You state that God/truth/love are beyond our comprehension.

If that's true, then God doesn't really see us as much more than animals.

Of course, that would contradict the whole point of Jesus coming down and becoming human, so imo, if the Bible is the truth, then your statement of it being beyond our comprehension is false.



if God wrote the book, I'd blame God for doing a shitty job of getting his message across.



I don't have a concept of god...I am a human being and god or love or budda or sufi or whatever people call this same thing cannot be put into a concept or a theory...I don't try to define what god is ...because no-one really knows...

you did...you stated that God thinks this or that about us humans...

I cannot make that leap and assume that a thing such as god is separate from us and/or can judge us,view us,watch us, etc....

that would be a big leap and again...it is just humans way of trying to describe or explain god....I won't try to do that either because it is beyond my comprehension.

The bible is not something that I ever defended or tried to use as some kind of
knowledge of god...

the bible...in my opinion is a book that tries to point at some wisdom or knowledge or gives clues and/or examples of love and/or truth (among other things) ..but in my opinion...these clues are misinterpreted by humans and used/misused to do a lot of harm to each other...

[mouse]

You made the statement:

And again you misread my point.



I'm expanding further on saying that aside from self-fulfillment on an earthly level, it's not worth it for a Christian to try to explain what God is to a 15 year old kid in Africa.

Like i said your looking at the kid and not the "example" I was trying to use as a tool to make my point. which actually makes my point if you think about it.


I understand that your original post was an intellectual jab of some sort to some of the posters here.

You mean your interpretation of what I am doing, you have no proof of such accusations. I have not the time to make jabs I will use straight arm or a knock out punch if i go there I don't spend my time thinking of ways to make hidden insults or Jabs as you call them. And if you look at your style of posting i would say when it comes to making jabs at posters your the Sugar Ray Lenard of the topic.



I really don't care about that.

then why comment on it?


If you don't think it's wise for you to go into subtopics, then you're probably right.

I meant with "certain" individuals who have a hard time comprehending a higher art of conversation.



Stick to what you know and just troll as usual. :tu

Was that a Jab or your knockout out punch?

[z0sa]

I don't profess to knowing that which cannot be known.

[Stringer_Bell]

I've just been really thinking about this lately. In the bible it says in Acts 17, God says that he has appointed a day which he will judge us in righteousness. Does the thought of standing before God and answering for what they've done scare anybody?

A little bit, but God doesn't scare me as much as this dude...

http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mccain-monster2.jpg

[Drachen]

If you die, you die.

[IronMaxipad]

http://t.qkme.me/DdV.jpghttp://t.qkme.me/BVJ.jpghttp://t.qkme.me/BVP.jpg

http://t.qkme.me/Ct6.jpghttp://t.qkme.me/BSA.jpghttp://t.qkme.me/dim.jpg

[baseline bum]

http://t.qkme.me/DdV.jpghttp://t.qkme.me/BVJ.jpghttp://t.qkme.me/BVP.jpg

http://t.qkme.me/Ct6.jpghttp://t.qkme.me/BSA.jpghttp://t.qkme.me/dim.jpg

:rollin

[Blake]

you did...you stated that God thinks this or that about us humans...


I was saying that's a following assumption based on your assumption that humans might be misinterpreting the bible.

you made a horrible assumption that my "concept of 'God' keeps getting in the way of seeing..."

whatever the hell that means.


the bible...in my opinion is a book that tries to point at some wisdom or knowledge or gives clues and/or examples of love and/or truth (among other things) ..but in my opinion...these clues are misinterpreted by humans and used/misused to do a lot of harm to each other...

right, because the bible was written by humans pretending to have written it in the name of God.

[Blake]

I have not the time to make jabs I will use straight arm or a knock out punch if i go there I don't spend my time thinking of ways to make hidden insults or Jabs as you call them.

that's a lie.

you are clearly dancing around here:


I meant with "certain" individuals who have a hard time comprehending a higher art of conversation.

what individuals?

don't dance, just spit it out.


Was that a Jab or your knockout out punch?

neither, just agreeing with you.

[Sisk]

Blake did you get an erection when you saw this thread title?

[silverblk mystix]

I was saying that's a following assumption based on your assumption that humans might be misinterpreting the bible.

you made a horrible assumption that my "concept of 'God' keeps getting in the way of seeing..."

whatever the hell that means.



right, because the bible was written by humans pretending to have written it in the name of God.

Well I meant that human beings' concept of god gets in the way...but you thought I was referring to you...i mean all of us...myself included.

What it means is that for the human thinking mind to be able to know god/love/truth whatever...the mind must be free of barriers...there are many barriers to seeing...some are ;
beliefs
conditioning
religion
desires
fears


etc...

if you (or anyone) believes that god wore a beard or floats in the sky or has human features or is a male or a female....etc....

then you already have a concept or an image or idea of who or what god is...

and by having that-you have placed a barrier to seeing...

because no-one knows what god/love/truth looks like...or acts like...or if it is a he or a she or if it is even a separate entity from the rest of life...

who knows in what shape or form it is or is not????

so this is what it means to have your concept of god preventing humans from seeing or knowing god....

[Blake]

Blake did you get an erection when you saw this thread title?

I think a religion thread should be started every day.

[mouse]

jab






you are clearly dancing


spit it out.


Fist you say I jab, then you say I dance. now you want me to spit, you should be posting in a boxing forum.

[Sisk]

Alvarez is viewing now. Pretty late appearance, tbh.

I predict a Blake and Alvarez alliance forming ITT.

[Blake]

Fist you say I jab, then you say I dance. now you want me to spit, you should be posting in a boxing forum.

Yuckity yuk.

You should be posting as your last comic standing troll.

[Frenzy]

I just find it interesting a lot of ppl that don't believe in god say "think god" or "ill pray for this or that"


...like pray to what u idiot

[IronMaxipad]

Jesus, shut the fuck up

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your corpse rots.

Anyone else who claims anything else as if they have some sort of authority or special knowledge is making shit up.

[redzero]

God is doing a heck of a job of protecting people in Japan from the earthquake/flooding right now.

[z0sa]

That's the devil's work!

[Johnny RIngo]

A little bit, but God doesn't scare me as much as this dude...

http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mccain-monster2.jpg

Scarier in the book tbh

[LnGrrrR]

You cease to exist. (As a conscious being, anyways...)

[Technique]

Do you remember what happened before you were alive? Well, that's what's going to happen after you die.

The world moves on.

[IronMaxipad]

God is doing a heck of a job of protecting people in Japan from the earthquake/flooding right now.

.

[baseline bum]

God is doing a heck of a job of protecting people in Japan from the earthquake/flooding right now.

Is this an episode of underachiever god or sociopathic god?

[rascal]

.

God doesn't protect. Life on Earth is a short journey for all when you compare it to the time after death. Body + Soul = human existance on Earth.

there is life that goes beyond what you know now. What is impossible for man is possible for God.

Life is the soul , the body is 3 dimensional and meant to only exist in 3 dimensions, it is just a vessel for this dimension of existance. It is basically worthless in the end and will be returned to dust. You will enter the next life with the same consious as you exit this one. There is no death other than the body.

Go to the light after death. From there you will find the way through the portal to another dimension. All truth will be known there, all justice made.

[IronMaxipad]

God doesn't protect. Life on Earth is a short journey for all when you compare it to the time after death. Body + Soul = human existance on Earth.

there is life that goes beyond what you know now. What is impossible for man is possible for God.

Life is the soul , the body is 3 dimensional and meant to only exist in 3 dimensions, it is just a vessel for this dimension of existance. It is basically worthless in the end and will be returned to dust. You will enter the next life with the same consious as you exit this one. There is no death other than the body.

Go to the light after death. From there you will find the way through the portal to another dimension. All truth will be known there, all justice made.

That's some deep shit :smokin

[mouse]

Half of you that come in here saying there is no God and when you die that's it are lying.

There have been many cases were people who never went to church or always said God doesn't exist wind up confessing differently on their death beds. What people say in a web forum and in public is not what they say when they are alone or scared for their lives. I am sure 50% of the victims in WTC tower two were screaming Gods name when the tower was collapsing due to explosives.

With that said those of you who still think when you die that's it, good news is you will know for sure when it happens. It's not like a mystery like who was on the Grassy knoll or did NASA lie about the moon landings. When you die and your spirit/soul leaves your body I hope you remember this topic and say "oh shit" those asshole's were right!

[Blake]

God doesn't protect. Life on Earth is a short journey for all when you compare it to the time after death. Body + Soul = human existance on Earth.

there is life that goes beyond what you know now. What is impossible for man is possible for God.

Life is the soul , the body is 3 dimensional and meant to only exist in 3 dimensions, it is just a vessel for this dimension of existance. It is basically worthless in the end and will be returned to dust. You will enter the next life with the same consious as you exit this one. There is no death other than the body.

Go to the light after death. From there you will find the way through the portal to another dimension. All truth will be known there, all justice made.

where did you get this information from

[silverblk mystix]

Half of you that come in here saying there is no God and when you die that's it are lying.

There have been many cases were people who never went to church or always said God doesn't exist wind up confessing differently on their death beds. What people say in a web forum and in public is not what they say when they are alone or scared for their lives. I am sure 50% of the victims in WTC tower two were screaming Gods name when the tower was collapsing due to explosives.

With that said those of you who still think when you die that's it, good news is you will know for sure when it happens. It's not like a mystery like who was on the Grassy knoll or did NASA lie about the moon landings. When you die and your spirit/soul leaves your body I hope you remember this topic and say "oh shit" those asshole's were right!

Doesn't exactly mean that there is or isn't a god.

Someone could be faced with a life or death or a near death...or even a temporary death and return to life and experience many things...

the problem with that experience and with people relating that experience to others seems to be a "lost in translation'' problem...

because the human thinking mind will try to formulate an explanation by relying on concepts, words, and language limitations...

but truth/god/love cannot be adequately explained by humans....

it's like if I just went on a roller coaster ride and literally just exploded with excitement and adrenaline...

and I describe it to you...

you might begin to get an IDEA or a feel for what I experienced...but you'll never really know exactly what I experienced...

same thing with near death experiences or people that have crossed to another side/dimension/portal...they describe white lights, freedom, happiness, love,etc...

but those are still fingers pointing to the moon

and when the sage points to the moon-all the idiot sees is the finger-so to speak...

[Blake]

Half of you that come in here saying there is no God and when you die that's it are lying.

There have been many cases were people who never went to church or always said God doesn't exist wind up confessing differently on their death beds. What people say in a web forum and in public is not what they say when they are alone or scared for their lives. I am sure 50% of the victims in WTC tower two were screaming Gods name when the tower was collapsing due to explosives.

yes, people do and say a lot of irrational things when their lives are on the line.

it's why paying attention to the things that irrational people say is stupid.



With that said those of you who still think when you die that's it, good news is you will know for sure when it happens.

or you wont because you will be nothing more than dust and bones.


When you die and your spirit/soul leaves your body I hope you remember this topic and say "oh shit" those asshole's were right!

Well, I won't be crying about it because in Heaven, there are no more tears.

[Blake]

but truth/god/love cannot be adequately explained by humans....


I think all three can be adequately explained just fine.


but those are still fingers pointing to the moon

and when the sage points to the moon-all the idiot sees is the finger-so to speak...

who is the sage here? you?

lol no.

[silverblk mystix]

I think all three can be adequately explained just fine.



who is the sage here? you?

lol no.

How can something unknowable be explained?

It can't.

You can point to the opposites to try and understand something, for example, if you want to describe truth...you can point out falseness,deceit,lies,etc...

that would kinda give someone a direction, a clue, a lead to discover some truth...

but as soon as you try to explain truth itself...you have lost your way and you end up like some experts do on tv (when they are labeled an expert at anything-they end up looking like asses) or like some preacher in a church who is SURE he knows God...

and all he ends up doing is misinterpreting everything that he read in a book.

I wasn't implying anyone here is a sage- relax...don't assume that anyone is attacking you...I am just making a point and you seem to think I am taking
shots at you...

[mouse]

yes, people do and say a lot of irrational things when their lives are on the line.

So bedside confessions should not be noted or taken seriously?



it's why paying attention to the things that irrational people say is stupid.

Are you not guilty of this yourself? If not then I will ask Slomo if we can an extra icon we can click on to filter our postings through you first so you can make necessary changes so this doesn't happen in the future.





Well, I won't be crying about it because in Heaven, there are no more tears.

Your assuming that's where your headed?

[mouse]

If you want to discuss this further meet me at ..............

http://www.facebook.com/MITnews

[ALVAREZ6]

CROFL CROFL CROFL oh God...sorry sisk, couldn't resist this one

Half of you that come in here saying there is no God and when you die that's it are lying.

There have been many cases were people who never went to church or always said God doesn't exist wind up confessing differently on their death beds. What people say in a web forum and in public is not what they say when they are alone or scared for their lives. I am sure 50% of the victims in WTC tower two were screaming Gods name when the tower was collapsing due to explosives.

With that said those of you who still think when you die that's it, good news is you will know for sure when it happens. It's not like a mystery like who was on the Grassy knoll or did NASA lie about the moon landings. When you die and your spirit/soul leaves your body I hope you remember this topic and say "oh shit" those asshole's were right!

You answered your own question...you described precisely why that phenomenon occurs...people who never believed in God praying to him under TERRIFYING moments. Is it really necessary to explain?


If in fact when "we" die we finally observe some afterlife...."oh shit, they were right" is the last thing I'll be caring about. I'd be celebrating in complete ecstasy, simply because it isn't nothingness. Our counterparts on the other hand, if encountered in the situation that they were incorrect, they won't ever be able to realize if they were or weren't. Which is kind of funny...you may spend your entire life thinking about silly things and attending stupid masses and celebrations that in the end were for nothing. Not even worth a verdict on the out-standing question.

[Blake]

How can something unknowable be explained?

It can't.

How do you even know that something is unknowable if it's unknowable.

You can't.


You can point to the opposites to try and understand something, for example, if you want to describe truth...you can point out falseness,deceit,lies,etc...

that would kinda give someone a direction, a clue, a lead to discover some truth...

truth is whatever a person wants truth to be.


but as soon as you try to explain truth itself...you have lost your way and you end up like some experts do on tv (when they are labeled an expert at anything-they end up looking like asses) or like some preacher in a church who is SURE he knows God...

and all he ends up doing is misinterpreting everything that he read in a book.

bullshit.

you can't talk in some higher conscienceness tone and say with certainty that a preacher doesn't know God and is misinterpreting a book.

That makes you an arrogant hypocrite.


I wasn't implying anyone here is a sage- relax...don't assume that anyone is attacking you...I am just making a point and you seem to think I am taking
shots at you...

I know you aren't taking shots directly at me.

I'm just making fun of your enlightened posts.

:tu

[Blake]

So bedside confessions should not be noted or taken seriously?

No surprise you take desperate bedside pleas for salvation seriously.

If I'm in the same situation, I wouldn't put it past myself to call out to Zeus for help.



Are you not guilty of this yourself? If not then I will ask Slomo if we can an extra icon we can click on to filter our postings through you first so you can make necessary changes so this doesn't happen in the future.

I can't think of any irrational poster on ST or any other messageboard that I have ever taken seriously.

Aside from entertainment purposes, I know I never take you seriously or pay attention to any of your posts.


Your assuming that's where your headed?

No, I assume I'm headed for an eternal dirt nap.

[spursfan09]

No surprise you take desperate bedside pleas for salvation seriously.

If I'm in the same situation, I wouldn't put it past myself to call out to Zeus for help.




I can't think of any irrational poster on ST or any other messageboard that I have ever taken seriously.

Aside from entertainment purposes, I know I never take you seriously or pay attention to any of your posts.



No, I assume I'm headed for an eternal dirt nap.

How does that make you feel you should spend your life then?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Is this an episode of underachiever god or sociopathic god?

The one that does not care.

[Blake]

How does that make you feel you should spend your life then?

I want to enjoy it while I have it.

How do you think I should feel?

[spursfan09]

I want to enjoy it while I have it.

How do you think I should feel?

Feel however you want. I was just asking.

[Blake]

Feel however you want.

thanks, will do.


I was just asking.

Me too.

How do you think I should feel?

[spursfan09]

thanks, will do.



Me too.

How do you think I should feel?

I think you should feel.... how you want to feel.

Instigator

[spursfan09]

I also feel that I should enjoy my life while I have it. So it's not different

[mouse]

I assume I'm headed for an eternal dirt nap.

Your mind beat you to it.

[Blake]

I think you should feel.... how you want to feel.

Instigator

great, thanks for the confirmation.

good talk.

[Blake]

Your mind beat you to it.

Zing!

/mouse's Last Comic Standing troll

[silverblk mystix]

How do you even know that something is unknowable if it's unknowable.

You can't.



truth is whatever a person wants truth to be.



bullshit.

you can't talk in some higher conscienceness tone and say with certainty that a preacher doesn't know God and is misinterpreting a book.

That makes you an arrogant hypocrite.



I know you aren't taking shots directly at me.

I'm just making fun of your enlightened posts.

:tu

That's exactly my point...it is unknowable...no one in human recorded history has ever found out so we don't know who or what god is...

it is a mystery and unexplainable to and by
the human mind.

(Truth is whatever a person wants truth to be????....I think you are mistaking perception for truth)

I most certainly can make that statement about a preacher and be correct,too.

If no one has ever explained/ascertained/discovered/proven---GOD--in the history of mankind/human beings--then you would be right on the money if you accused that preacher of being misinformed.

I don't know if ALL preachers out there do this...but as soon as anyone utters."god said_________" they have already misspoken...because NO-ONE can ever prove or disprove that there is/is not a god and if he said/never said those words...

so they are talking about something they don't know about and they are convincing their followers that it is the truth because god allegedly said so...

THAT is the epitome of an arrogant hypocrite...to try and CONVINCE people of something and USING GOD'S NAME TO DO IT.

that is far worse than admitting that you -yourself know nothing about god/truth/love --but neither does anyone else...

THAT is probably the highest form of knowledge of god that we have--THAT WE DON'T KNOW!

[Blake]

That's exactly my point...it is unknowable...no one in human recorded history has ever found out so we don't know who or what god is...

it is a mystery and unexplainable to and by
the human mind.

again, my point is your point is bullshit.

youre assuming a god exists.


(Truth is whatever a person wants truth to be????....I think you are mistaking perception for truth)

yes, if I say 2+2 can be greater than 4 then who are you to say otherwise.

If it's true to me, then that's all that matters.


I most certainly can make that statement about a preacher and be correct,too.

you can't claim an unseen god exists in your belief system but say a preacher is wrong about his beliefs.

that makes you a hypocrite.


If no one has ever explained/ascertained/discovered/proven---GOD--in the history of mankind/human beings--then you would be right on the money if you accused that preacher of being misinformed.

I don't know if ALL preachers out there do this...but as soon as anyone utters."god said_________" they have already misspoken...because NO-ONE can ever prove or disprove that there is/is not a god and if he said/never said those words...

so they are talking about something they don't know about and they are convincing their followers that it is the truth because god allegedly said so...

THAT is the epitome of an arrogant hypocrite...to try and CONVINCE people of something and USING GOD'S NAME TO DO IT.

that is far worse than admitting that you -yourself know nothing about god/truth/love --but neither does anyone else...

THAT is probably the highest form of knowledge of god that we have--THAT WE DON'T KNOW!

I agree that preachers are full of shit when they talk in terms of the Bible being absolute truth.

I am saying that you are full of shit by claiming that a god exists but that preachers are wrong when they do it.

[spursfan09]

It was a good talk!

[SourCandy]

I'm on the fence as to if there is a god or not. It's hard for me to believe everything that has happened is just some accident. But if some one did create all this...who created them/it? Tricky.
Some one said "god let this happen" referring to bad things on this earth. Natural disasters and crimes..etc. Well if God(if he is real) wanted to stop all the crime and bad things/EVIL on this earth wouldn't you think he would stop all evil? Everything immoral would be erased. Even little things like lying and thinking bad thoughts. Oh but no people want god to not let really bad things happen...but the not so bad things it's ok we can have those :rolleyes

I would think god sees evil no matter how small it may appear to us. So god would have to erase killing,stealing,lying,cheating..etc. Who here can say has never done that. All of you have done at one of those. So you should be erased.

However if you believe in the bible jesus died on the cross for all our sins pass present and future. That's if you believe that :wakeup

[Blake]

It was a good talk!

:tu

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How can something unknowable be explained?

It can't.

You can point to the opposites to try and understand something, for example, if you want to describe truth...you can point out falseness,deceit,lies,etc...

that would kinda give someone a direction, a clue, a lead to discover some truth...

True implies false. A duality. True is exactly not false. One implies the other specifically and in each case.

Its an identity and a very easy one to follow if you have any experience with algebra.

You can try to separate the two and wrap a bunch of bullshit around it but that is nothing but you trying to add mystery.

Whats funny is that this is the current dogmatic response to the refutations of the proofs of God.

Aquinas, Kant, Descartes etc did not buy this notion that we cannot attempt to understand God. They had the courage to try and find what they believed in.

This current god as the man of mystery nonsense is intellectual cowardice.

[Blake]

Well if God(if he is real) wanted to stop all the crime and bad things/EVIL on this earth wouldn't you think he would stop all evil?

that's the problem with Christianity and the like.

why did God create Earth to begin with? to torture us first? why not just skip ahead to the Heaven part?

[silverblk mystix]

again, my point is your point is bullshit.

youre assuming a god exists.



yes, if I say 2+2 can be greater than 4 then who are you to say otherwise.

If it's true to me, then that's all that matters.



you can't claim an unseen god exists in your belief system but say a preacher is wrong about his beliefs.

that makes you a hypocrite.



I agree that preachers are full of shit when they talk in terms of the Bible being absolute truth.

I am saying that you are full of shit by claiming that a god exists but that preachers are wrong when they do it.

#1) I never said a god exists....I said it has not been proven that he exists----and ---it has not been proven that he or she or it does not---
it is unknowable....to be clear...

it is unknowable if he does or does not exist...it is also unknowable if god is a he/she/it/feeling/spirit/force/blade of grass/water/blackspace....we just don't know---NONE OF US....

#2)If you say that 2+2+ is greater than 4...then your perception is off...you are mistakenly perceiving that two plus two is more than four...this is not a truth thing...it is a perception thing...

[mouse]

why did God create Earth to begin with?

he was bored, truth is everyone needs a hobby.
next question.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

#1) I never said a god exists....I said it has not been proven that he exists----and ---it has not been proven that he or she or it does not---
it is unknowable....to be clear...

it is unknowable if he does or does not exist...it is also unknowable if god is a he/she/it/feeling/spirit/force/blade of grass/water/blackspace....we just don't know---NONE OF US....

#2)If you say that 2+2+ is greater than 4...then your perception is off...you are mistakenly perceiving that two plus two is more than four...this is not a truth thing...it is a perception thing...

Not knowing does not even remotely imply not knowable.

How exactly is a rainbow made. How exactly does the sun set? How does a positronic rear end on a Plymouth work?

[Blake]

#1) I never said a god exists....I said it has not been proven that he exists----and ---it has not been proven that he or she or it does not---
it is unknowable....to be clear...

it is unknowable if he does or does not exist...it is also unknowable if god is a he/she/it/feeling/spirit/force/blade of grass/water/blackspace....we just don't know---NONE OF US....

you have made statements that alluded to the existance of a god:


no one in human recorded history has ever found out so we don't know who or what god is...

it is not for anyone to prove that a god does not exist.

this point has been made ad nauseum.



#2)If you say that 2+2+ is greater than 4...then your perception is off...you are mistakenly perceiving that two plus two is more than four...this is not a truth thing...it is a perception thing...

who are you to tell me I'm wrong.

I believe in the concept of synergy. Screw you.

[Blake]

he was bored, truth is everyone needs a hobby.
next question.

prove it.

[mouse]

I'm on the fence as to if there is a god or not.


so if you die in the next 60 seconds will you jump to one side?

[SourCandy]

that's the problem with Christianity and the like.

why did God create Earth to begin with? to torture us first? why not just skip ahead to the Heaven part?

Well life was perfect/like heaven in the garden of eden. Till women and man decided to disobey God by eating from the forbidden tree(why he put it there in the fist place..who knows). I assume god wanted to treat us to riches and great things. But that sin thing you know. So god was like "yo u cant obey simple rules?...fine now you and your offspring have to work for your riches and earn your way to heaven from now on" Course that's just what I get from the bible. Dunno how it holds true.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well life was perfect/like heaven in the garden of eden. Till women and man decided to disobey God by eating from the forbidden tree(why he put it there in the fist place..who knows). I assume god wanted to treat us to riches and great things. But that sin thing you know. So god was like "yo u cant obey simple rules?...fine now you and your offspring have to work for your riches and earn your way to heaven from now on" Course that's just what I get from the bible. Dunno how it holds true.

Many cultures depict God as a trickster. Hermes, Pan, Loki, oh my.

[Blake]

so if you die in the next 60 seconds will you jump to one side?

if everyone said yes, would that do it for you?

no need to answer. rhetorical.

[Blake]

Well life was perfect/like heaven in the garden of eden. Till women and man decided to disobey God by eating from the forbidden tree(why he put it there in the fist place..who knows). I assume god wanted to treat us to riches and great things. But that sin thing you know. So god was like "yo u cant obey simple rules?...fine now you and your offspring have to work for your riches and earn your way to heaven from now on" Course that's just what I get from the bible. Dunno how it holds true.

so do you think sin is possible in Heaven?

[silverblk mystix]

Not knowing does not even remotely imply not knowable.

How exactly is a rainbow made. How exactly does the sun set? How does a positronic rear end on a Plymouth work?

Yet, god or love or whatever name one uses to describe the same thing...

is not within the realm of the human mind...so for human beings---this territory is pretty much unknowable...

and it has been unknowable throughout the history of human beings...

and oh how many have been killed by those who thought they knew....

[mouse]

prove it.

You want me to murder you to prove something? why not just wait till you die so you can finally see for yourself, Try to think of ways you can maybe speed up that glorious day.

After all when you die I am sure you will get the answers you crave.

[Blake]

Yet, god or love or whatever name one uses to describe the same thing...

is not within the realm of the human mind...so for human beings---this territory is pretty much unknowable...

and it has been unknowable throughout the history of human beings...

and oh how many have been killed by those who thought they knew....

how do you know something unknowable is unknowable.

lol paradoxical crap.

[Blake]

You want me to murder you to prove something?

murdering me would only prove you are a butthurt murderer.


why not just wait till you die so you can finally see for yourself, Try to think of ways you can maybe speed up that glorious day.

After all when you die I am sure you will get the answers you crave.

I'd rather creation honks prove the existence of god while I'm still alive, thanks.

[Frenzy]

I'm on the fence as to if there is a god or not. It's hard for me to believe everything that has happened is just some accident. But if some one did create all this...who created them/it? Tricky.
Some one said "god let this happen" referring to bad things on this earth. Natural disasters and crimes..etc. Well if God(if he is real) wanted to stop all the crime and bad things/EVIL on this earth wouldn't you think he would stop all evil? Everything immoral would be erased. Even little things like lying and thinking bad thoughts. Oh but no people want god to not let really bad things happen...but the not so bad things it's ok we can have those :rolleyes

I would think god sees evil no matter how small it may appear to us. So god would have to erase killing,stealing,lying,cheating..etc. Who here can say has never done that. All of you have done at one of those. So you should be erased.

However if you believe in the bible jesus died on the cross for all our sins pass present and future. That's if you believe that :wakeup


Some one listens to lecrae.


eDHxnd6VFWs

[mouse]

Think about it (those with the brain matter to do so) if you was God like and could create planets and mankind why not?

We all need to keep from being bored. Why do you think there are so many useless planets? God or who ever responsible (could be more than one) had never created an earth so in order to get it right many planets needed to be placed in different distances from the sun. Mercury to close. Pluto to far etc...

why everyone assumes (those that believe in God) think he was an expert at everything. Maybe he was doing this for the first time. Why must God (or who ever responsible) was born knowing everything at every time, wouldn't that suck? To know everything and everything that is going to happen? I rather not be a God it takes the fun out of living.

And if there is a God why would you not want to enjoy your life?

It doesn't make sense to be the most powerful thing ever and you hate yourself or your life.

[silverblk mystix]

you have made statements that alluded to the existance of a god:



it is not for anyone to prove that a god does not exist.

this point has been made ad nauseum.




who are you to tell me I'm wrong.

I believe in the concept of synergy. Screw you.

The statements I made referred to god and love and truth as being one and the same thing....

I don't imply to know if there is or isn't a god...but I do call god and love and truth the same things...maybe that confused you...

If someone believes that god is a spirit in the shape of a man floating in the sky...that is ONLY his CONCEPT of what or who god is...

If someone believes there is no god ...that is his CONCEPT of what god is not...

If someone believes that god is not a separate entity or a creator...but rather a state of mind...(like love) then that is their CONCEPT of god and love...

All of these come from the human mind and we will never know if they are right/wrong/ or half-right or half-wrong,etc...

These concepts of god are only attempts by the human mind to explain something that is unexplainable....

which would lead a reasonable person back to the "unknowable'' conclusion...

it is pointless to try to prove that a god exists---since god might mean many different things to many different people to begin with...and we will never know anyway...

it is also pointless to try and prove that a god DOES NOT exist...since we will go to our grave without knowing that also...

[SourCandy]

so do you think sin is possible in Heaven?

good point. I have no idea tbh.





Some one listens to lecrae.


eDHxnd6VFWs

:lol guilty, your fault :bang

[mouse]

murdering me would only prove you are a butthurt murderer.

Well then maybe someone else can do it, or you can do it yourself.
I don't want to be labeled a "butthurt" individual just to help you achieve wisdom.




I'd rather creation honks prove the existence of god while I'm still alive, thanks.

I don't support creationism.

[Blake]

Think about it (those with the brain matter to do so) if you was God like and could create planets and mankind why not?

We all need to keep from being bored. Why do you think there are so many useless planets? God or who ever responsible (could be more than one) had never created an earth so in order to get it right many planets needed to be placed in different distances from the sun. Mercury to close. Pluto to far etc...

why everyone assumes (those that believe in God) think he was an expert at everything. Maybe he was doing this for the first time. Why must God (or who ever responsible) was born knowing everything at every time, wouldn't that suck? To know everything and everything that is going to happen? I rather not be a God it takes the fun out of living.

And if there is a God why would you not want to enjoy your life?

It doesn't make sense to be the most powerful thing ever and you hate yourself or your life.

so you believe God is capable of boredom? Interesting.

do you think God really cares about humans?

do you think the bible is the right book?

[Blake]

The statements I made referred to god and love and truth as being one and the same thing....

I don't imply to know if there is or isn't a god...but I do call god and love and truth the same things...maybe that confused you...

right.

How can you call those the same things without proof, but call out Christian preachers for being wrong?

you're a hypocrite.



If someone believes there is no god ...that is his CONCEPT of what god is not...

wrong.

it's his concept that something does not exist until proven otherwise.


it is pointless to try to prove that a god exists---since god might mean many different things to many different people to begin with...and we will never know anyway...

absolutely wrong.

It would absolutely be a great thing to prove the existence of a god. Then we would not have many different people believing many different things.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yet, god or love or whatever name one uses to describe the same thing...

is not within the realm of the human mind...so for human beings---this territory is pretty much unknowable...

and it has been unknowable throughout the history of human beings...

and oh how many have been killed by those who thought they knew....

You just spout the exact same lines as if I never said anything.

One more time:

SOMETHING BEING UNKNOWN DOES NOT IMPLY SOMETHING BEING UNKNOWABLE.

Examples:

It was unknown the relationship between electricity and magnetism.

People said it was Zeus for a long time but Farraday, Maxwell and others discerned the mechanics.

What was unknown became known.

Its easy to prove something is not true ie false.

When I can do the curls and divergences, apply them and they work. Thats amazing.

Some of the ratios and just exactness that you get is stunning. I look for God there.

This unknowable nonsense is contemptible.

[Blake]

Well then maybe someone else can do it, or you can do it yourself.
I don't want to be labeled a "butthurt" individual just to help you achieve wisdom.

you murdering me would not help me achieve wisdom.


I don't support creationism.

didn't say or assume you did.

[IronMaxipad]

r6w2M50_Xdk
:cry

[silverblk mystix]

Well life was perfect/like heaven in the garden of eden. Till women and man decided to disobey God by eating from the forbidden tree(why he put it there in the fist place..who knows). I assume god wanted to treat us to riches and great things. But that sin thing you know. So god was like "yo u cant obey simple rules?...fine now you and your offspring have to work for your riches and earn your way to heaven from now on" Course that's just what I get from the bible. Dunno how it holds true.

The whole sin/punishment threat could possibly have been invented by human beings who wanted to find a way to CONTROL other human beings...

what better way than to ....USE GOD'S NAME...to make the threat...

primitive people would have been scared shitless to go against god...and therefore could be CONTROLLED...

Human beings have always had agendas...still do today...

As soon as someone wants to advance their AGENDA...what better way than to USE GOD...use god to threaten (hell)...to reward (heaven)...

Billions of people the world over have swallowed this and Billions of people still can't prove if a god exists....or does not exist....

I would say the odds are that we never will....

...and that's ok.

[Blake]

This unknowable nonsense is contemptible.

yeah, but I hope it goes on for a little while longer.

I get bored in my god-like state.

[mouse]

so you believe God is capable of boredom? Interesting.

being bored effects everyone no matter how much power or money you have. Why would a "God" be any different?


do you think God really cares about humans?

Your amusing I believe in God, second if he supplied water food and air what more needs to be done to care for something. Do you have a pet isn't food ,water, and shelter all you really need to provide? Are you responsible for your pets mind and habits? Should you turn your pet into a puppet?


do you think the bible is the right book?

explain right. as reference to historic events? To serve as a guideline for humans to live by? or just something to put in a hotel room for guest to have something to read.

[silverblk mystix]

You just spout the exact same lines as if I never said anything.

One more time:

SOMETHING BEING UNKNOWN DOES NOT IMPLY SOMETHING BEING UNKNOWABLE.

Examples:

It was unknown the relationship between electricity and magnetism.

People said it was Zeus for a long time but Farraday, Maxwell and others discerned the mechanics.

What was unknown became known.

Its easy to prove something is not true ie false.

When I can do the curls and divergences, apply them and they work. Thats amazing.

Some of the ratios and just exactness that you get is stunning. I look for God there.

This unknowable nonsense is contemptible.

If we are talking about material things, mechanical things, math,geometry etc...

these things might be figured out in time....

When one talks about love/god/ spirituality...

these things are not explainable or knowable to the human mind...

if you think that in time god will be knowable...then let me know when you discover it...

I won't hold my breath.

[mouse]

you murdering me would not help me achieve wisdom.

How do you know if you haven't experienced the other side yet? That is like me saying going to Amsterdam isn't going to show me how to smoke weed. How can i say that if i haven't been there?




didn't say or assume you did.

Well you keep asking me questions that pertain to those subjects.

[mouse]

If we are talking about material things, mechanical things, math,geometry etc...

these things might be figured out in time....


Then how come no one can explain Stonehenge?


if you think that in time god will be knowable...then let me know when you discover it...

If anyone did discover it they would be labeled a mentally unstable person or a false prophet, how do you know there isn't a group of people who know the answers and have the mental capability to understand it?

Just because some kid in Africa doesn't understand how to convert an Mpeg4 into an AVI file doesn't mean others don't know.


I won't hold my breath.

Maybe if you do hold your breath long enough your questions about life and if there is a God will be answered.

[silverblk mystix]

Then how come no one can explain Stonehenge?



If anyone did discover it they would be labeled a mentally unstable person or a false prophet, how do you know there isn't a group of people who know the answers and have the mental capability to understand it?

Just because some kid in Africa doesn't understand how to convert an Mpeg4 into an AVI file doesn't mean others don't know.



Maybe if you do hold your breath long enough your questions about life and if there is a God will be answered.

Maybe if I hold my breath long enough...I will begin to believe that Michael Shenker can actually play better than Hendrix...:lol

[mouse]

Maybe if I hold my breath long enough...I will begin to believe that Michael Shenker can actually play better than Hendrix...:lol

:lmao






















fuck you!

:flipoff
















wow Manny was right, that did feel good! :toast

[rascal]

that's the problem with Christianity and the like.

why did God create Earth to begin with? to torture us first? why not just skip ahead to the Heaven part?

It is all a test, life that is. Heaven is not just granted it must be earned. All men will be judged not only on their actions but moreso on what is in their hearts.

All suffering is temporary when compared to eternal existance. Lessons can be learned through suffering. Many people have spiritually soared to great heights through suffering of the body.


Suffering is allowed to happen on Earth because it is only temporary. We don't belong here on Earth as God/nature has built in death. Death is viewed as bad by most but for God it is not. It is a coming home event. The separation of a loved one through death will only be temporary. You will be reunited with family and friends in the end.

Death is the final payment for all and it is built in the system of life. Just trust in God/creator that when you reach the final destination all will be good.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If we are talking about material things, mechanical things, math,geometry etc...

these things might be figured out in time....

When one talks about love/god/ spirituality...

these things are not explainable or knowable to the human mind...

if you think that in time god will be knowable...then let me know when you discover it...

I won't hold my breath.

Lightning was a 'spiritual' thing at one point.

So was scizophrenia and the sun and the feeling du jour.

I will tell you where I look.

I look in mathematics or more specifically how constructs in my mind can effect things around me with precision.

I look at the relationships that are derived therein. How things that could seemingly be unrelated are very closely related in a very precise manner.

I look to the physics of the last 60 years. Specifically quantum mechanics. I ask myself whether the schroedinger equation implies a mechanic that we have not fully figured out as per Feynmann and the string theory folks or if there is an insight that is lacking similar to Einstein's to Newton.

I look to human behavior and the reductionist models that are becoming more and more complex. Can human behavior be completely explained chemically? If not what does that portend?

These are things that i look to.


Again i view your approach with contempt.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and mathematics is nothing but a construct of the mind. Numbers are simply concepts of the brain to interpret groups of things that are different.

thats the whole point. look into irrational numbers and get back to me.

[silverblk mystix]

Lightning was a 'spiritual' thing at one point.

So was scizophrenia and the sun and the feeling du jour.

I will tell you where I look.

I look in mathematics or more specifically how constructs in my mind can effect things around me with precision.

I look at the relationships that are derived therein. How things that could seemingly be unrelated are very closely related in a very precise manner.

I look to the physics of the last 60 years. Specifically quantum mechanics. I ask myself whether the schroedinger equation implies a mechanic that we have not fully figured out as per Feynmann and the string theory folks or if there is an insight that is lacking similar to Einstein's to Newton.

I look to human behavior and the reductionist models that are becoming more and more complex. Can human behavior be completely explained chemically? If not what does that portend?

These are things that i look to.


Again i view your approach with contempt.

Why would you view my approach with contempt? Interesting.

I view those things you posted above as very interesting. Those things are mechanical and have merit...and eventually they may coincide with god/love/spirituality...and may even lead to a solving of the mystery so-to-speak.

I look at it as ...

Poetry and Mathematics...

The mathematics of Poetry and the poetry of Mathematics....they are in the end- eventually married...

Yet, you cannot marry your mechanical views to my spiritual views...

Interesting.

[mouse]

It is all a test, life that is. Heaven is not just granted it must be earned. All men will be judged not only on their actions but moreso on what is in their hearts.

All suffering is temporary when compared to eternal existance. Lessons can be learned through suffering. Many people have spiritually soared to great heights through suffering of the body.


Suffering is allowed to happen on Earth because it is only temporary. We don't belong here on Earth as God/nature has built in death. Death is viewed as bad by most but for God it is not. It is a coming home event. The separation of a loved one through death will only be temporary. You will be reunited with family and friends in the end.

Death is the final payment for all and it is built in the system of life. Just trust in God/creator that when you reach the final destination all will be good.
Not bad.

I can see this mans point, and i must say it makes sense to a degree.
The problem I have with people who believe in God are those that pray about stupid shit like.."please God help me find my car keys" or they say shit like this...don't worry son if you get the Job God wanted you to work there.

What really gets my goat is when someone on a game show like Survivor or the amazing race say "please God help me".... "Help me God find the clue"

I think people like that do more harm than good. They make the serious God loving person look like a fool. Like God is not going to help a lady who has a 3 year old daughter find a liver but he sure has time to make sure Russel finds the hidden immunity idol.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I look at it as ...

Poetry and Mathematics...

The mathematics of Poetry and the poetry of Mathematics....they are in the end- eventually married...

Yet, you cannot marry your mechanical views to my spiritual views...

Interesting.

No, I marry your 'spiritual' views to something quite different.

The difference is that I have emotional responses as well. I am very familiar with experiencing love. I grew up in this culture.

When we are talking about mathematics, i know for a fact you do not know what i am talking about. When you make comments about 2 + 2 = 4 as if that is something meaningful that becomes apparent.

You are 'spirituality' consists of taking things that YOU do not understand, discounting it as unknowable and equating it to love, art and god.

There is no basis for discussion really.

I know what you are doing. I have experienced it being done countless times.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It is all a test, life that is. Heaven is not just granted it must be earned. All men will be judged not only on their actions but moreso on what is in their hearts.

All suffering is temporary when compared to eternal existance. Lessons can be learned through suffering. Many people have spiritually soared to great heights through suffering of the body.


Suffering is allowed to happen on Earth because it is only temporary. We don't belong here on Earth as God/nature has built in death. Death is viewed as bad by most but for God it is not. It is a coming home event. The separation of a loved one through death will only be temporary. You will be reunited with family and friends in the end.

Death is the final payment for all and it is built in the system of life. Just trust in God/creator that when you reach the final destination all will be good.

IOW, its okay if someone else treats you like shit, let us handle it and God will get them in the end.

And, you better not only act this way, but you better think this way too or God is going to get you.

I hate the christian ethic with God as the boogeyman.

At least you did not go with the God wants us to suffer routine. At least there is that.

This time its okay to make someone suffer if its only for a little while.

I only punched him in the face once officer.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not bad.

I can see this mans point, and i must say it makes sense to a degree.
The problem I have with people who believe in God are those that pray about stupid shit like.."please God help me find my car keys" or they say shit like this...don't worry son if you get the Job God wanted you to work there.

What really gets my goat is when someone on a game show like Survivor or the amazing race say "please God help me".... "Help me God find the clue"

I think people like that do more harm than good. They make the serious God loving person look like a fool. Like God is not going to help a lady who has a 3 year old daughter find a liver be he has time to make sure Russel finds the hidden immunity idol.

:lol

[Blake]

being bored effects everyone no matter how much power or money you have. Why would a "God" be any different?

I thought you were discussing the god of the bible.

you can make up whatever attributes you want regarding your god.


Your amusing I believe in God, second if he supplied water food and air what more needs to be done to care for something. Do you have a pet isn't food ,water, and shelter all you really need to provide? Are you responsible for your pets mind and habits? Should you turn your pet into a puppet?

so is this what you believe or is it just a happy fun story you ripped off from an old twilight zone?


explain right. as reference to historic events? To serve as a guideline for humans to live by? or just something to put in a hotel room for guest to have something to read.

as in the truth, word for word.

[Blake]

If we are talking about material things, mechanical things, math,geometry etc...

these things might be figured out in time....

When one talks about love/god/ spirituality...

these things are not explainable or knowable to the human mind...

if you think that in time god will be knowable...then let me know when you discover it...

I won't hold my breath.

the God of the Bible was knowable to humans.

what God are you talking about?

[Blake]

It is all a test, life that is. Heaven is not just granted it must be earned. All men will be judged not only on their actions but moreso on what is in their hearts.

All suffering is temporary when compared to eternal existance. Lessons can be learned through suffering. Many people have spiritually soared to great heights through suffering of the body.


Suffering is allowed to happen on Earth because it is only temporary. We don't belong here on Earth as God/nature has built in death. Death is viewed as bad by most but for God it is not. It is a coming home event. The separation of a loved one through death will only be temporary. You will be reunited with family and friends in the end.

Death is the final payment for all and it is built in the system of life. Just trust in God/creator that when you reach the final destination all will be good.

cool troll effort bro

[mouse]

I thought you were discussing the god of the bible.


lets both assume there is only one God for sake of argument.
It could help in making this debate move in a timely matter.


you can make up whatever attributes you want regarding your god.

But if my God was God wouldn't that make him Your God?




so is this what you believe or is it just a happy fun story you ripped off from an old twilight zone?

Not every twilight episode was fiction. remember when nuclear war was over that man who survived found all those books? Your saying that could never happen?




as in the truth, word for word.

Well if you think a book should be truthful "word for word" lets start with this one first.


http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/files/sept11report.jpg

[Blake]

lets both assume there is only one God for sake of argument.
It could help in making this debate move in a timely matter.

so I made a correct assumption that you believe in God.

why did you call me out on that earlier?


But if my God was God wouldn't that make him Your God?

prove his existence first and then I'll look over his resume...

what skills does he possess, what can he offer me, how much square footage does a mansion in his heaven have, etc.


Not every twilight episode was fiction. remember when nuclear war was over that man who survived found all those books? Your saying that could never happen?

are you going to tell me to prove it won't?


Well if you think a book should be truthful "word for word" lets start with this one first.


do you believe that your god wrote the 9/11 commission report?

[redzero]

Half of you that come in here saying there is no God and when you die that's it are lying.

:lol Claiming to know what people really believe.



There have been many cases were people who never went to church or always said God doesn't exist wind up confessing differently on their death beds.

:lol Using those tired old deathbed confessions as evidence.
:lol Claiming that since some people believed differently before they died, all atheists believe in a god.


What people say in a web forum and in public is not what they say when they are alone or scared for their lives.

:lol Claiming to know what people say when they are alone.


I am sure 50% of the victims in WTC tower two were screaming Gods name when the tower was collapsing due to explosives.

:lol Making up statistics.
:lol Using people who probably believed in God as evidence.


With that said those of you who still think when you die that's it, good news is you will know for sure when it happens.

Not really, since we'll be dead.


It's not like a mystery like who was on the Grassy knoll or did NASA lie about the moon landings.

Retard.


When you die and your spirit/soul leaves your body I hope you remember this topic and say "oh shit" those asshole's were right!

:lol This doesn't make any sense.

Typical mouse. Typical logical fallacies. Typical troll logic. :lol

:wakeup Time to wait for him to try to change the subject in a failed attempt to be funny, or address only a part of my post and ignore the rest.

[mouse]

so I made a correct assumption that you believe in God.

I believe in Alternative Design, it is a science that explores outside involvement of how man arrived on earth. If it is Alien or some sort of huge energy source that has no earthly definition we comprehend or I can use to help explain it, then I have no problem for debating purposes calling it a "God" of some sort. what would you call someone you meet who happened to created you and the earth, Bill?


why did you call me out on that earlier?

so we can move on the the original topic what happens when you die, it's not a "is there a God" topic.



prove his existence first and then I'll look over his resume...

Can you prove who really shot JFK? You would have a hard time to prove how Stonehenge was built and you want me to prove something your mind can't digest?




what skills does he possess,

skill wise, did you know the DNA of a leaf has more information data than all the wiring in the Apollo 11 capsule?


what can he offer me,

A life beyond the one your living. just think only those who were smart enough to figure this out are allowed to continue on to another life.

we could actually pick up were we left off on this subject, while the Wild Cobras and the RandonLie's of this forum spend their after life tossing Satan's salad just to get a small sip of Gatorade.




how much square footage does a mansion in his heaven have, etc.



Well do the math how much room was created for our small solar system.

I think he has the "space"






are you going to tell me to prove it won't?

I don't ask for proof of something that does not contribute to a debate.
lets stay on topic.




do you believe that your god wrote the 9/11 commission report?

I will let you know at the book signing. will you be there also?

[Blake]

I believe in Alternative Design, it is a science that explores outside involvement of how man arrived on earth. If it is Alien or some sort of huge energy source that has no earthly definition we comprehend or I can use to help explain it, then I have no problem for debating purposes calling it a "God" of some sort. what would you call someone you meet who happened to created you and the earth, Bill?

If Bill is his name, I'll call him Bill.

Then I'll wonder how that Alien came into existence.


so we can move on the the original topic what happens when you die, it's not a "is there a God" topic.

that's aboslutely what this thread is about, but that doesn't really answer why you said "you are assuming I believe in God" when it turns out that you do.


Can you prove who really shot JFK? You would have a hard time to prove how Stonehenge was built and you want me to prove something your mind can't digest?

It doesn't take a great deal of faith to believe in the official JFK story, and if it's a lie, my world won't be shattered.

I don't care about Stonehenge, but again, not much effort to believe it was built by humans.

Both easily digested.


skill wise, did you know the DNA of a leaf has more information data than all the wiring in the Apollo 11 capsule?

cool.

but I don't believe man created life so that's really irrelevant.


A life beyond the one your living. just think only those who were smart enough to figure this out are allowed to continue on to another life.

we could actually pick up were we left off on this subject, while the Wild Cobras and the RandonLie's of this forum spend their after life tossing Satan's salad just to get a small sip of Gatorade.

Well do the math how much room was created for our small solar system.

I think he has the "space"

that's all your speculation.

again, no proof.


I don't ask for proof of something that does not contribute to a debate.
lets stay on topic.

except you just asked if I could prove who shot JFK.

you suck at this, but that's no surprise.

[Amarelooms]

You are some stupid fucks on here....best are the Jesus dummies rationalizing and spinning bullshit to say they are right. So 2000 years ago Jesus (who was a man and would die eventually) was nailed to a cross for everyone's sin. What about the billions of years before Jesus...those people didn't count lol. Amazing how people get brainwashes...keep going to church you sheep. I'm sure Jesus/Mohammad etc are all looking down and hate you all for your ignorance.


Think for yourselves dummies

:elephant

[mouse]

You are some stupid fucks on here
:elephant

you have proof?

[Blake]

You are some stupid fucks on here....best are the Jesus dummies rationalizing and spinning bullshit to say they are right. So 2000 years ago Jesus (who was a man and would die eventually) was nailed to a cross for everyone's sin. What about the billions of years before Jesus...those people didn't count lol. Amazing how people get brainwashes...keep going to church you sheep. I'm sure Jesus/Mohammad etc are all looking down and hate you all for your ignorance.


Think for yourselves dummies

:elephant

coming from the stupid fuck that thinks the mavericks should tank in order to get the 4th seed.

[silverblk mystix]

No, I marry your 'spiritual' views to something quite different.

The difference is that I have emotional responses as well. I am very familiar with experiencing love. I grew up in this culture.

When we are talking about mathematics, i know for a fact you do not know what i am talking about. When you make comments about 2 + 2 = 4 as if that is something meaningful that becomes apparent.

You are 'spirituality' consists of taking things that YOU do not understand, discounting it as unknowable and equating it to love, art and god.

There is no basis for discussion really.

I know what you are doing. I have experienced it being done countless times.

The 2+2=4 came from Blake-who stated that 2 plus two equals something greater than 4--in his mind...

I don't know what you think you know I'm doing so either say it or stick to the topic at hand.

God or love are things that everyone has a different understanding of...so it is false to say that they are things I don't understand.

[mouse]

If Bill is his name, I'll call him Bill.

But will you call him Mr. Bill?


Then I'll wonder how that Alien came into existence.

You wont need to wonder anymore by then you will be enlighten and well educated.




that's aboslutely what this thread is about, but that doesn't really answer why you said "you are assuming I believe in God" when it turns out that you do.

I also believe in you, is that wrong? you never defined what "god" was so i just assumed we can move forward. but your hung up on the word so lets call it the creator?




It doesn't take a great deal of faith to believe in the official JFK story, and if it's a lie, my world won't be shattered.

you seem to be on the fence with your statement so to be fair, (you get a play it safe card pull it out as you see fit.)


I don't care about Stonehenge, but again, not much effort to believe it was built by humans.

Translation: I don't touch on topics i may be weak in knowledge.


Both easily digested.

So is a date. what date do you have on your departure from earth?




but I don't believe man created life so that's really irrelevant.

so your father was not a man?




that's all your speculation.

Not just mine, I am not alone.


again, no proof.

Proof is for those who don't have faith.




except you just asked if I could prove who shot JFK.

Do you have faith it was just one man?



you suck at this, but that's no surprise.

How can I get better if you don't teach me?

[redzero]

Proof is for those who don't have faith.

:rollin

There are people on this planet who are actually this stupid.

[Amarelooms]

Mouse you quoting fucker....stop asking questions dummy. Go read your bible son....it has all the answers you need. Jesus died for you

:elephant

[Blake]

God or love are things that everyone has a different understanding of...so it is false to say that they are things I don't understand.

so you understand those things, but many Bible preachers dont?

that's false to say unless youre a hyprocrite.

[silverblk mystix]

so you understand those things, but many Bible preachers dont?

that's false to say unless youre a hyprocrite.

Somehow, you are not understanding what I am saying...or maybe you are purposely twisting it just to jerk my chain...

Let's put it this way;

God and love are things that are misunderstood by most people---including myself---because---again---NO ONE KNOWS the truth about god....

no one can prove he exists...

no one can prove he doesn't exist...

INCLUDING ME!

Got it?

[Blake]

But will you call him Mr. Bill?

if that's his name, why wouldnt I?


You wont need to wonder anymore by then you will be enlighten and well educated.

by simply meeting an alien that created earth?

I don't think so.


I also believe in you, is that wrong? you never defined what "god" was so i just assumed we can move forward. but your hung up on the word so lets call it the creator?

I was never asked to define "god"

define your "god"/creator then and we'll go on that.


you seem to be on the fence with your statement so to be fair, (you get a play it safe card pull it out as you see fit.)

regarding JFK?

Don't need a safe card. If you want me to pick a side, I'll go with the non-conspiracy side.


Translation: I don't touch on topics i may be weak in knowledge.

I admit, I don't know much about Stonehenge, but I'm also not the one that can be quoted to say "lets stay on topic"

that's you


So is a date. what date do you have on your departure from earth?

that makes no sense as you have the word date meaning two different things here.


so your father was not a man?

/last comic standing troll


Not just mine, I am not alone.

then more than one of you are purely speculating.


Proof is for those who don't have faith.

right, which is why I continually ask for proof.


Do you have faith it was just one man?

I have faith that the official story is accurate.

why do you go off topic while at the same time ask to stay on topic?


How can I get better if you don't teach me?

I have been schooling you plenty. At some point you have to blame yourself and not the school system for you being an idiot.

[redzero]

Somehow, you are not understanding what I am saying...or maybe you are purposely twisting it just to jerk my chain...

Let's put it this way;

God and love are things that are misunderstood by most people---including myself---because---again---NO ONE KNOWS the truth about god....

no one can prove he exists...

no one can prove he doesn't exist...

INCLUDING ME!

Got it?

Can you prove that the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist?

[Blake]

Somehow, you are not understanding what I am saying...or maybe you are purposely twisting it just to jerk my chain...

Let's put it this way;

God and love are things that are misunderstood by most people---including myself---because---again---NO ONE KNOWS the truth about god....

no one can prove he exists...

no one can prove he doesn't exist...

INCLUDING ME!

Got it?

you are saying that the truth is misunderstood by most people, yet you also admit to misunderstanding the truth yourself.

I get the paradox. You apparently dont.

Explain very clearly how you came up with the notion that God and love are misunderstood by most people....

and if there are some people that understand God and love, please state who those people are and their level of understanding.

[silverblk mystix]

you are saying that the truth is misunderstood by most people, yet you also admit to misunderstanding the truth yourself.

I get the paradox. You apparently dont.

Explain very clearly how you came up with the notion that God and love are misunderstood by most people....

and if there are some people that understand God and love, please state who those people are and their level of understanding.

Like I already mentioned;

The highest knowledge we can ever attain about god is that we don't know...some people think that it is a matter of time and like a math problem...someday we can solve the mystery...who knows if we ever will?

I don't.

Some say that the only ones who have attained an understanding or a true knowledge of god are mystics...but when asked to reveal what they know...they just go silent...they have nothing to say...

Those who say they do not know...and those who know they do not say...

God is a mystery...

Why are you trying to solve it?

[Blake]

Like I already mentioned;

The highest knowledge we can ever attain about god is that we don't know...some people think that it is a matter of time and like a math problem...someday we can solve the mystery...who knows if we ever will?

I don't.

you're assuming a mysterious god exists.

imo, the highest knowledge we have and will always have is that god does not exist until proven to exist.


Some say that the only ones who have attained an understanding or a true knowledge of god are mystics...but when asked to reveal what they know...they just go silent...they have nothing to say...

Those who say they do not know...and those who know they do not say...

why would those who know not say?

That's illogical, and frankly just made up crap on your part.


God is a mystery...

Why are you trying to solve it?

Why do you assume that God exists and is a mystery?

Where are you getting this notion from?

Please explain in as little metaphysical rambling as possible.

[silverblk mystix]

you're assuming a mysterious god exists.

imo, the highest knowledge we have and will always have is that god does not exist until proven to exist.



why would those who know not say?

That's illogical, and frankly just made up crap on your part.



Why do you assume that God exists and is a mystery?

Where are you getting this notion from?

Please explain in as little metaphysical rambling as possible.

The reason that mystics go silent goes back to what I said before...that god cannot be explained by the human mind...so the mystics go silent...because they know that to speak or to try and explain the unexplainable would be foolish. So they just smile and say nothing.

Truth may be sighted suddenly...and in that moment...the mystics..become enlightened...but truth cannot be explained...it cannot be conceptualized...if you try you will fail...but you know that you experienced it...and the mystics realized that it was best to shut up because it is impossible to put the truth into words...you can only point to falseness...nothing can be said about truth...so instead try to point out falseness and this would give you an idea of truth...

nothing can be said about god...but maybe try to point to the opposite--which is fear...talk about fear and you will begin to understand what god is NOT...etc...

I never assumed that god exists or doesn't...but this is my opinion and my opinion only...not that I know more or less than anyone ...I certainly don't pretend to know the unknowable...but i will tell you what my opinion is until now---and if I ever learn more before I die then I will just have a different opinion at that time---it still won't mean that I know the absolute truth about god;


but to me ...God is the same as love...God=Love...no more no less...

I don't look at god as something that is separate from other beings or separate from things in the universe...just a state called love...

it is not metaphysical rambling...but it is easier to dismiss it as such if it does not fit YOUR image of what god is or is not...

and since you believe that god does not exist...it should not matter what anyone else thinks or proves or disproves...

your belief or your theory or your opinion or whatever you decide you call it---is still just that...a belief...not a fact...and that's ok...

I don't feel a need to disprove your idea...I don't feel threatened or pressured to convince you of my opinion...and I definitely disagree that someone has to prove that god exists...that will never happen...and if it indeed never happens---it still won't prove that he does not exist...

try to accept that we cannot prove that he does exist---and we cannot prove that he does NOT exist...

because we will never know the absolute truth about god or whether he exists or not...

[thedong]

I have 35 virgins waiting for me when I die.

I already had sex with 5 of them, and probably about 10 more in my lifetime. So 25 virgin bitches, aint bad, I'm just hoping that atleast 5 of them are hot.

[Blackjack]

Just read all 9 pages ... ready to find out.

[IronMaxipad]

wrong thread

[silverblk mystix]

Just read all 9 pages ... ready to find out.

just a couple mo' pages...it will be exciting to discover...

[rascal]

Christianity would have died on the cross with Jesus's death had he not been resurrected.
His followers were cowarding in hiding not understanding why Jesus let himself die. Some of them were questioning if Jesus was a fraud but then the unthinkable happened, Jesus was resurrected from the dead and seen by many. Christianity was alive and built on the foundation of the resurrection. You can believe it never happened but I believe it did happen.

It makes sense to me that Christianity would have died had Jesus not been seen after his death. There was no longer any need to carry it on because Jesus would not have backed up his word that he would be risen on the 3rd day.

[mouse]

So Blake we never agreed on what a God is so we can then debate on its existence?

[Beau]

People used to get buried alive back in the day, thought to be dead when actually not. Some were actually saved in the process, after coming to or whatnot...

What if the Resurrection was just a bad diagnosis compounded by a lack of understanding from those that bore witness?

[redzero]

People used to get buried alive back in the day, thought to be dead when actually not. Some were actually saved in the process, after coming to or whatnot...

What if the Resurrection was just a bad diagnosis compounded by a lack of understanding from those that bore witness?

Jesus' resurrection? I doubt somebody could actually survive crucifixion.

I don't actually believe there was a resurrection though.

[Amarelooms]

Jesus' resurrection? I doubt somebody could actually survive crucifixion.

I don't actually believe there was a resurrection though.

Course not dummy...he physically didn't come back to life...WHEN YOU DIE YOU ARE DEAD. Maybe his body went missing and they were inspired by him.

People are so stupid....same idiots believe the sky will open up and Jesus fly down for all to see....keep waiting...never come

:elephant

[IronMaxipad]

Course not dummy...he physically didn't come back to life...WHEN YOU DIE YOU ARE DEAD. Maybe his body went missing and they were inspired by him.

People are so stupid....same idiots believe the sky will open up and Jesus fly down for all to see....keep waiting...never come

:elephant

http://www.popfi.com/wp-content/uploads/jesus-billboard.jpg

[mouse]

Unless you can properly comprehend what exactly a miracle is,I doubt you will ever truly get it.
I used to look at miracles like some sort of Disney movie. a frog that turns into a prince, Dorthy finding the land of Oz and so on....it wasn't until 1981 when i saw some shit that changed my views on this very subject.

[Crookshanks]

Course not dummy...he physically didn't come back to life...WHEN YOU DIE YOU ARE DEAD. Maybe his body went missing and they were inspired by him.

People are so stupid....same idiots believe the sky will open up and Jesus fly down for all to see....keep waiting...never come

:elephant

And if it happens in your lifetime - just think back to this thread and your idiotic posts.

[Amarelooms]

And if it happens in your lifetime - just think back to this thread and your idiotic posts.

lol at you dummy...brainwashed by priests and fools. Jesus was a man...he died...ain't coming back. Stop taking things literally...2000 years ago they didn't know better. God and Jesus are laughing at you for being so stupid without a doubt. Step back and question your beliefs.

Think for yourself....don't be a blind sheep

:elephant

[Amarelooms]

Unless you can properly comprehend what exactly a miracle is,I doubt you will ever truly get it.
I used to look at miracles like some sort of Disney movie. a frog that turns into a prince, Dorthy finding the land of Oz and so on....it wasn't until 1981 when i saw some shit that changed my views on this very subject.

May Jesus have mercy on your soul for being such a dummy son. Taking shit literally like they did 2000 years ago...that's the problem with Jesus freaks...spread their misinterpretation of scriptures....like their idiotic interpretations are the absolute "truth". Dummies no doubt

:elephant

[mouse]

May Jesus have mercy on your soul for being such a dummy son. Taking shit literally like they did 2000 years ago...that's the problem with Jesus freaks...spread their misinterpretation of scriptures....like their idiotic interpretations are the absolute "truth". Dummies no doubt

:elephant

So if 2000 years from now someone claims Amarelooms used to post here at ST they should be considered a dummy?

[Lonny]

Unless you can properly comprehend what exactly a miracle is,I doubt you will ever truly get it.
I used to look at miracles like some sort of Disney movie. a frog that turns into a prince, Dorthy finding the land of Oz and so on....it wasn't until 1981 when i saw some shit that changed my views on this very subject.
elaborate. tell me more, big boy.

[mouse]

That is a subject i try to forget, It will only cause harm to you, and myself if i continue speaking about it......at what price is information really necessary to obtain, you really want to take that chance?

[Beau]

Jesus' resurrection? I doubt somebody could actually survive crucifixion.

I don't actually believe there was a resurrection though.

More doubtful: surviving crucifixion; or the Christian account?

Pontius could have had some shit to do, maybe they rushed the whole thing...

[mouse]

Funny how if Science today can bring back to life a human it's considered ground breaking and is embraced by the public. Same shit happens 2000 years ago and it's considered a fantasy or a unbelievable fairy tail.

You small brains crack me up!

[Blake]

The reason that mystics go silent goes back to what I said before...that god cannot be explained by the human mind...so the mystics go silent...because they know that to speak or to try and explain the unexplainable would be foolish. So they just smile and say nothing.

what makes you think that god cannot be explained by the human mind?


Truth may be sighted suddenly...and in that moment...the mystics..become enlightened...but truth cannot be explained...it cannot be conceptualized...if you try you will fail...but you know that you experienced it...and the mystics realized that it was best to shut up because it is impossible to put the truth into words...you can only point to falseness...nothing can be said about truth...so instead try to point out falseness and this would give you an idea of truth...

you say preachers misinterpret truth, but you very concretely say that "mystics" have it figured out.

do you or do you not see the problem with this?

simple yes or no will suffice. If no, I'll be glad to explain further.


nothing can be said about god...but maybe try to point to the opposite--which is fear...talk about fear and you will begin to understand what god is NOT...etc...


where do you get your information from that god is the opposite of fear?

the "mystics"? what the hell are these "mystics"?

I think you/them are making all this up.


I never assumed that god exists or doesn't...but this is my opinion and my opinion only...not that I know more or less than anyone ...I certainly don't pretend to know the unknowable...but i will tell you what my opinion is until now---and if I ever learn more before I die then I will just have a different opinion at that time---it still won't mean that I know the absolute truth about god;


but to me ...God is the same as love...God=Love...no more no less...

I don't look at god as something that is separate from other beings or separate from things in the universe...just a state called love...

it is not metaphysical rambling...but it is easier to dismiss it as such if it does not fit YOUR image of what god is or is not...

this post absolutely is metaphysical rambling.

no references to go on.

no specifics about mystics or where they get their information from.

just nonsensical rambling.


and since you believe that god does not exist...it should not matter what anyone else thinks or proves or disproves...

it would absolutely matter if someone proved god's existence.


your belief or your theory or your opinion or whatever you decide you call it---is still just that...a belief...not a fact...and that's ok...

I know my belief is ok.

Your belief that preachers are wrong and mystics are right is not ok.

Not sure why you don't get that.


I try to accept that we cannot prove that he does exist---and we cannot prove that he does NOT exist...

Asking someone to prove he doesn't exist is not the same thing as asking for proof of his existence.

[Blake]

Funny how if Science today can bring back to life a human it's considered ground breaking and is embraced by the public. Same shit happens 2000 years ago and it's considered a fantasy or a unbelievable fairy tail.

You small brains crack me up!

when has science brought someone back to life after being dead for 3 days?

link please.

[The Reckoning]

when has science brought someone back to life after being dead for 3 days?

link please.


gene wilder did

[Amarelooms]

lol you brainwashed fools still believe the bullshit you've been spoon fed. So Jesus came back and then what....disappeared never to come again for 2000 years???? USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS. If there is a God...and that's a big if...he's not going against science and the order he has created. Jesus was just a man...maybe inspired by God but that's it....he died...was going to die regardless...and his ass ain't coming back.

Also, Mary was no virgin...Joseph fucked her and she got pregnant....in order for her to not be killed they said....she was a "virgin"...God is the father. Now go read your bible lol

:elephant

[redzero]

when has science brought someone back to life after being dead for 3 days?

link please.

I was wondering the same thing. If modern science was that advanced, there would be a lot more people walking around the earth right now.

[baseline bum]

Zombie Jesus would be a pretty cool messiah, tbh.

[mouse]

when has science brought someone back to life after being dead for 3 days?

link please.



Fsa08qJi2ok

[mouse]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1348000/Woolly-mammoth-Japanese-scientists-resurrect-extinct-giant-fozen-DNA.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/dinosaurs/7865765/Zoo-to-bring-dead-animals-back-to-life-Jurassic-Park-style.html

[Blake]

Fsa08qJi2ok

failure.

that is not a 3 day dead fly

[Blake]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1348000/Woolly-mammoth-Japanese-scientists-resurrect-extinct-giant-fozen-DNA.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/dinosaurs/7865765/Zoo-to-bring-dead-animals-back-to-life-Jurassic-Park-style.html

unless you are suggesting that a clone of Jesus walked out of the tomb, then it is more failure on your part.

[mouse]

Failure seems to be a word you enjoy using. Are you here to learn or bring negative energy?

[Blake]

Failure seems to be a word you enjoy using. Are you here to learn or bring negative energy?

Failure seems to be something you enjoy repeating.

I've learned you fail at backing up your claims. It would be easier and more honest to just admit it was just a lame joke.

[silverblk mystix]

what makes you think that god cannot be explained by the human mind?



you say preachers misinterpret truth, but you very concretely say that "mystics" have it figured out.

do you or do you not see the problem with this?

simple yes or no will suffice. If no, I'll be glad to explain further.



where do you get your information from that god is the opposite of fear?

the "mystics"? what the hell are these "mystics"?

I think you/them are making all this up.



this post absolutely is metaphysical rambling.

no references to go on.

no specifics about mystics or where they get their information from.

just nonsensical rambling.



it would absolutely matter if someone proved god's existence.



I know my belief is ok.

Your belief that preachers are wrong and mystics are right is not ok.

Not sure why you don't get that.



Asking someone to prove he doesn't exist is not the same thing as asking for proof of his existence.

The reasons that the human mind cannot explain god/love are that the mind is filled with barriers that prevent seeing. To know love or to see love requires subtraction --not addition.
This means that instead of adding...knowledge, effort, research,etc...one needs to subtract things...such as beliefs, conditioning, prejudices,fears,etc...
To love is to see...but if a mind is full of barriers that prevent seeing then it is impossible to ever see.

For example;

If you are raised as a Jew/Catholic/agnostic,...whatever...and you see the world in this way...you already have one barrier...
then you identify yourself as a male/female....rich/poor...white/black...american/chinese/japanese...republican/democrat...

each of these labels above are barriers to seeing...a person is practically blind by the time he tries to find answers to the mysteries of god/love/spirituality...

These are self-evident truths available to anyone who travels the road of spirituality/awareness/mysticism....

You asked before who are these people and I gave you an example...which are mystics/zen masters/monks,etc...

These are people (but not the only ones--as this is available to anyone) that have taken this path of truth and they discover that as they go along this path...it is most important to meditate in silence...and in silence they begin to discover these truths...as they peel away layers and layers of conditioning,fears,beliefs,prejudices,etc...when the mind begins to empty itself of barriers to truth...
Thomas Aquinas...was an example ...as towards the end of his life...he described a grace and detachment that he allegedly had been graced with...and then he went into silence...would not speak...FOR YEARS...until he died...he knew he had made a fool of himself so he just went silent...

in one of his final writings he stated that the highest form of knowledge of god is this:
there are 3 ways of knowing god...1)in the creation...2)in god's actions through history...3)in the highest form in the knowledge of god-to know god tanquam ignotum ( to know god as the unknown).
The highest form is to know that one does not know. In another place he says god is the unknowable.

The reference I made to a preacher--was that IF he says god says this or god says that---THEN he is misinformed. I don't know if every preacher does this so I was referring to one who tries to tell you something that came from god.

Mystics generally don't do this as they have discovered that god is not something outside of us that directs us to do or not do things. Mystics also know that to try and interpret anything coming from god's mouth is foolish...

Here's one more example of how the human mind would get tripped up in discovering truth/god/divinity/love/etc...

What is eternal life?

People might say that it is everlasting life...but theologians will tell you that this is crazy,because everlasting is still within time. It is time perduring forever. Eternal means timeless-no time. The human mind cannot comprehend that. The human mind can understand time and can deny time- but what is timeless is beyond our comprehension.
Mystics tell us that eternity is RIGHT NOW.

On God and fear...this is another self-evident truth--I can only explain it this way...

There are only two things in the world-Love and Fear. Only one evil in the world-Fear. There's only one good in the world-Love...It is sometimes called by other names such as happiness or freedom or peace or joy or God or whatever...but the label does not really matter.
There is not one single evil in the world that cannot be traced to fear. Fear of losing something or having something taken away or fear of not getting something that you want. Ignorance and fear ignorance caused by fear--that is where violence comes from,etc...
The person who is fearless is the person who is truly non-violent who is incapable of violence.

[Blake]

The reference I made to a preacher--was that IF he says god says this or god says that---THEN he is misinformed. I don't know if every preacher does this so I was referring to one who tries to tell you something that came from god.


a southern baptist preacher will say you are misinformed and that God clearly lays out a path to salvation. He would also say that "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."

why should I believe either one of you?

you both sound silly.

[silverblk mystix]

a southern baptist preacher will say you are misinformed and that God clearly lays out a path to salvation. He would also say that "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."

why should I believe either one of you?

you both sound silly.

You and I have an inner truth gauge...the more you can peel away layers of things that blind you...the closer and purer your vision will become.

Then you will recognize truth when it is in front of you. No one needs to convince you as this would only be brainwashing...you have to free your mind until it can see these self-evident truths...if you want to follow the path of truth.

When you are able to free yourself of all these layers...you will see with a vision that is unclouded by fear or desire.

[mouse]

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Deer in headlight expression is spotlighted.

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[Blake]

You and I have an inner truth gauge...the more you can peel away layers of things that blind you...the closer and purer your vision will become.

Then you will recognize truth when it is in front of you. No one needs to convince you as this would only be brainwashing...you have to free your mind until it can see these self-evident truths...if you want to follow the path of truth.

When you are able to free yourself of all these layers...you will see with a vision that is unclouded by fear or desire.

Lol existential ramblings

Give me one reason to believe you and not the southern baptist preacher.

[Blake]

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Angel stunt doubles descend down on wires

(camera zooms in on Blake's face)

Deer in headlight expression is spotlighted.

(director yells cut)

Sounds like a bad porno.

Not my style

[mouse]

But at the end you still get fucked.

:lmao


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camera zoom :

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[CuckingFunt]

(close up of audience laughing)

Tad presumptuous, that.

[silverblk mystix]

Lol existential ramblings

Give me one reason to believe you and not the southern baptist preacher.

Believe whatever you feel is closer to truth...

Truth is out there for everyone...the clearer your vision is the sooner you will see truth-regardless of what anyone proves,disproves,alleges,confirms,denies,etc...

[Blake]

Believe whatever you feel is closer to truth...

Truth is out there for everyone...the clearer your vision is the sooner you will see truth-regardless of what anyone proves,disproves,alleges,confirms,denies,etc...

I believe you are full of it.

You still haven't answered why you are so sure that preachers have it wrong and you have it right.

Give me one reason to believe you and not the southern baptist preacher.

[Blake]

But at the end you still get fucked.

:lmao


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end credits begin to scroll

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camera zoom :

( Blake's face red and angry)

that script sounds awful.

I'll pass.

[silverblk mystix]

I believe you are full of it.

You still haven't answered why you are so sure that preachers have it wrong and you have it right.

Give me one reason to believe you and not the southern baptist preacher.

Well, I don't know exactly what it is you are hung up with what a preacher says--so I can't discuss that-because preachers say so many things...

religion is a whole other debate...

I was talking about spirituality and truth...not about religion.

[mouse]

that script sounds awful.

I'll pass.

relax esse just having fun Monday we start fresh I bring you some theories that would make Mel Gibson wet his boxers.


for shits and giggles
check this vato's documentary collection

http://btjunkie.org/torrent/documentaries-maxxcrime-h33t/4358a88ed55e1c9eea29be37d21c1147621cb34614b1