Indians pissed off about Bin Ladens code name LOL

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/onondaga_nation_leaders_blast.html


Onondaga Nation Territory -- Leaders of the Onondaga Nation blasted as “reprehensible” the code name used for Osama bin Laden in the commando assault that killed him: “Geronimo.”
“We’ve ID’d Geronimo,” U.S. forces reported by radio Sunday to the White House. Later, word came that “Geronimo” was dead.
Geronimo was an Apache leader in the 19th century who spent many years fighting the Mexican and U.S. armies until his surrender in 1886.
“Think of the outcry if they had used any other ethnic group’s hero,” the Onondaga Council of Chiefs said in a release Tuesday. “Geronimo bravely and heroically defended his homeland and his people, eventually surrendering and living out the rest of his days peacefully, if in captivity.”
“Geronimo is arguably the most recognized Native American name in the world,” the chiefs said, “and this comparison only serves to perpetuate negative stereotypes about our people.”
See coverage of bin Laden's death in stories, videos and photos.
The chiefs said the incident revived memories of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s remark last year that Gov. David Paterson should “get yourself a cowboy hat and a shotgun” to deal with Indian affairs.
“It’s typical,” said Onondaga Tadodaho Sid Hill, the nation's spiritual leader. He said Geronimo was a hero to American Indians and it was incomprehensible that “they use him to identify a man like Osama Bin Laden.”
“Why would that be honorable to us?” he asked.
“All they know is just cowboys and Indians, the stuff they saw on TV.”
Hill said he had higher hopes for President Obama, who he said was adopted by the Blackfoot tribe during the 2008 election campaign. “Nobody seems to be able to see our side."
Loretta Tuell, staff director and chief counsel for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, had a similar same reaction.
“These inappropriate uses of Native American icons and cultures are prevalent throughout our society, and the impacts to Native and non-Native children are devastating,” Tuell said.
Tuell is a member of the Nez Perce tribe and grew on the tribe’s reservation in Idaho.
Steven Newcomb, a columnist for the weekly newspaper Indian Country Today, criticized what he called a disrespectful use of a name revered by many Native Americans.
“Apparently, having an African-American president in the White House is not enough to overturn the more than 200-year American tradition of treating and thinking of Indians as enemies of the United States,” Newcomb wrote.
“It’s frustrating,” said Hill. “We just can’t let this slide again.”

[MannyIsGod]

I just don't get what idiot gave Bin Laden that code name and why? It was pretty fucking stupid. They just associate a guy who is a hero to a lot of native Americans with Bin Laden and I can't figure out why they were so stupid.

[boutons_deux]

how about:

"TheMonsterTheUSACreated" ?

Geronimo is a very stupid code name, but maybe that's how stupid "intelligence" is. It does express in-your-face-ly America's Imperial predations.

[Stringer_Bell]

I understand the symbolic use, as Geronimo would have been on the same level as OBL as far as US war propaganda goes...but after the dust settles, and one or two brain cells start to work, you realize that Geronimo was coming from a completely different place than mass murdering OBL.

It's embarrasing and I don't blame the Native American community for being angry about it. I for one would not be opposed to them putting down there alcohol, sobering up, and using their advanced laser technology to take back their land. Just sayin.

[LnGrrrR]

I just don't get what idiot gave Bin Laden that code name and why? It was pretty fucking stupid. They just associate a guy who is a hero to a lot of native Americans with Bin Laden and I can't figure out why they were so stupid.

Honestly, I doubt they were very concerned about possible PR. They just needed a recognizable word/name for him. Here's how it probably happened:

"What's a good codename for Osama?"

"Uhm... Geronimo?"

"Sure, that works. Ok guys, the codename for Osama is "Geronimo"."

It's not like they have PR guys going through all the mission logs determining what is and isn't PC.

[MannyIsGod]

I get what you're saying LNG, but why didn't anyone think MLK was a good code name? Was it because of good PR or common sense?

[Stringer_Bell]

Honestly, I doubt they were very concerned about possible PR. They just needed a recognizable word/name for him. Here's how it probably happened:

"What's a good codename for Osama?"

"Uhm... Geronimo?"

"Sure, that works. Ok guys, the codename for Osama is "Geronimo"."

It's not like they have PR guys going through all the mission logs determining what is and isn't PC.

C'mon LnGrrrR, it would have been more PC to call him "shark bait" than Geronimo. It's a totally dumb idea, even dumber if it was the first thing they could come up with that stuck. Poor form, target naming dudes.

[LnGrrrR]

I get what you're saying LNG, but why didn't anyone think MLK was a good code name? Was it because of good PR or common sense?

Well, Geronimo has a more "militaristic" feel. For instance, the people who jump out of planes in the movies who shout "Geronimo!!!" aren't probably intending for the jump to be symbolic of anything Geronimo actually did.

[LnGrrrR]

C'mon LnGrrrR, it would have been more PC to call him "shark bait" than Geronimo. It's a totally dumb idea, even dumber if it was the first thing they could come up with that stuck. Poor form, target naming dudes.

"Shark bait" would've been a poor callsign... sounds too similar to common words. But yes, it was admittedly poor form; however, I'm pretty sure that whoever came up with the name was probably thinking about things they considered more important, like practicing the op for the 500th time that day. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Dude, they code named OBL Geronimo. Jumping out of a plane and yelling it is actually an honoring of the name. Naming a guy who once he's dead your country is going to throw a big ass party Geronimo is not even close to the same thing.

[MannyIsGod]

"Shark bait" would've been a poor callsign... sounds too similar to common words. But yes, it was admittedly poor form; however, I'm pretty sure that whoever came up with the name was probably thinking about things they considered more important, like practicing the op for the 500th time that day. :lol

No doubt that they thought it more important, but thats kind of the point. The Native Americans might be tired of being fucked over - even if just verbally - by the American government, don't you think?

[ChumpDumper]

Should have gone with "Trump."

[LnGrrrR]

Dude, they code named OBL Geronimo. Jumping out of a plane and yelling it is actually an honoring of the name. Naming a guy who once he's dead your country is going to throw a big ass party Geronimo is not even close to the same thing.

I understand that. I just don't think the comparison occurred to the people creating the mission. You can fault them for ignorance, sure. I just don't think it was something they seriously reviewed/thought about. (Which, obviously in hindsight, they should have.)

I doubt that the NAVY Seals are very PC. *shrug*

[LnGrrrR]

No doubt that they thought it more important, but thats kind of the point. The Native Americans might be tired of being fucked over - even if just verbally - by the American government, don't you think?

Probably. I think it's a bit tone-deaf to complain about this right now, but that's their prerogative.

[MannyIsGod]

lol tone death? Really?

[TeyshaBlue]

lol tone death? Really?

lol...busted by the edit fairy.

[Trainwreck2100]

i doubt whoever came up with that codename knew who geronimo was

[MannyIsGod]

LNG, its not tone deaf, its that no one will ever care. You mean if they waited a month and complained then they'd get a different response? Look at the title of this thread. Its a joke to most people, but it doesn't make it any less fucked up.

[LnGrrrR]

lol tone deaf? Really?

Yes. It's not like children are going to run around saying, "Yay! I killed Geronimo!" and then start harboring an aggression towards Native American peoples. It's a codename, nothing more. The military has a ridiculous amount of codenames... for people, for operations, for missions, for projects, for networks, etc etc. To me, it is what it is; a clearly identifiable name in order to quickly transmit communication about a significant target, with no further symbolic meaning.

Others are free to think and argue otherwise.

[CosmicCowboy]

Should have gone with "Trump."

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

Yes. It's not like children are going to run around saying, "Yay! I killed Geronimo!" and then start harboring an aggression towards Native American peoples. It's a codename, nothing more. The military has a ridiculous amount of codenames... for people, for operations, for missions, for projects, for networks, etc etc. To me, it is what it is; a clearly identifiable name in order to quickly transmit communication about a significant target, with no further symbolic meaning.

Others are free to think and argue otherwise.

Dude thats a strawman Darrin would be proud of. I'm pretty sure all their saying its yet another piece of disrespect piled on them by the American Government.

[LnGrrrR]

LNG, its not tone deaf, its that no one will ever care. You mean if they waited a month and complained then they'd get a different response? Look at the title of this thread. Its a joke to most people, but it doesn't make it any less fucked up.

Then why complain about it publicly?

Is it "messed up"? Eh, to me, not unless it was done deliberately. Maybe it's messed up that people don't know enough about Geronimo to know that it's a poor callsign name to use.

And if they had waited, yes, I think it might have gotten more traction. Let the euphoria die down a bit, and then raise the issue. Right now, it's like they are that one person at the party who keeps reminding their friends that they have to take a test tomorrow. Sure, it's true, but no one wants to hear about it.

[LnGrrrR]

Dude thats a strawman Darrin would be proud of. I'm pretty sure all their saying its yet another piece of disrespect piled on them by the American Government.


“These inappropriate uses of Native American icons and cultures are prevalent throughout our society, and the impacts to Native and non-Native children are devastating,” Tuell said.
Tuell is a member of the Nez Perce tribe and grew on the tribe’s reservation in Idaho.
Steven Newcomb, a columnist for the weekly newspaper Indian Country Today, criticized what he called a disrespectful use of a name revered by many Native Americans.
“Apparently, having an African-American president in the White House is not enough to overturn the more than 200-year American tradition of treating and thinking of Indians as enemies of the United States,” Newcomb wrote.

I'm just going by the comments made in the OP. What children are going to be impacted by this codename? Does said columnist really think that the admittedly poor taste of this codename really means that the govt still views Indians as enemies of the US?

[vy65]

I do admire thinkers like Giorgio Agamben, with his theory of homo sacer, which is a much more refined analysis.

See Giorgio Agamben, Homo Sacer: Sovereign Power and Bare Life (Stanford University Press, 1998). 6 Agamben's basic insight is the following one: We have two apparently opposed tendencies today. On the one hand, we have so-called biopolitics, that is to say, more and more our lives are controlled through state mechanisms, whatever, all these theories articulated by Foucault and later by Agamben. On the other hand, we have what right wingers usually refer to as a liberal, extreme narcissism, this "culture of complaint," or, "culture of victimization." You know, where whatever you do -like, I look at you now and [smacks his hand on the table] ha, ha, ha, rape already or harassment - is construed as oppressive. Incidentally, the only way to react to excessive political correctness, I claim, is propagating dirty jokes.

Dirty jokes are ambiguous. On the one hand, of course, I'm well aware they can be racist, sexist, and so on. On the other hand, I hate the term "African-Americans." I prefer black, and they do too. I think African-American as a term is the worst example of apparent political correctness. My best example of this was in Minneapolis, one of the capitals of political correctness [chuckles]. On TV, I saw a debate involving Native Americans, and they referred to themselves as "Indians," and this white, PC liberal said, "No, no, no, don't use that colonialist term. You are Native Americans." And at the end, one of the poor Indians exploded. He said, "Sorry, I hate that term! Please, give me at least the right to call myself what I want. `Native American' means that you're making me a part of nature! You are reducing me! What's the opposite of nature? It's culture! You Europeans are culture, then you have horses and us, `Native Americans,' here, with foxes or whatever." So whenever I meet blacks in this kind of situation, I immediately try to break these racist barriers. And what's my measure that we truly broke the barrier? Ok, at one level it's political correctness, but it's absolutely clear that if you play this game, only politically correct terms and ooooh, this fake interest, "ooooh, how interesting, your culture, what a wealth," and blah, blah, blah, it will backfire. Blacks confess to me that they secretly despise this kind of white liberalism. What's the trick? Humor. It's a kind of dialectical double reversal. And this is when they really admit you. That somehow you can return to the worst starting point, racist jokes and so on, but they function no longer as racist, but as a kind of obscene solidarity. To give you an extremely vulgar example, I met a big, black guy, and when we became friends, I went into it like, [assuming a naïve, awe-filled whisper] "Is it true that you have, you know [makes gesture signifying a gigantic penis]?" and (this is a racist myth I heard in Europe) "Is it true that you blacks can control your muscles so that when you walk with a half erection and there is a fly here you can BAM! [slaps thigh] snap it with your penis?" We became terribly close friends! Now, I'm well aware of how risky these waters are, because if you do it in the wrong context, in the wrong way, I'm well aware that this is racism.

What bothers me about so-called tolerance is that, if you combine tolerance with opposition to harassment, what do you get? You get tolerance that effectively functions as its opposite. Tolerance means we should tolerate each other, which practically means that we shouldn't harass each other, which means I tolerate you on the condition that you don't get too close to me! [chuckles]. Because, often, the fear beneath harassment is one of proximity. Don't get too close to me, emotionally or physically. We have here, again, the same chocolate-laxative logic, the Other yes, but not too close, deprived of its substance.

I don't think these two levels are opposed. One the one hand, the state wants to control you via biopolitics, and, on the other hand, the state allows this extreme narcissism. I think they are two sides of the same coin. Both have in common this logic of pure - how should I put it? biopolitical levels, pure life, pleasures, sensitivity, whatever. Simply falling back to this old position of "oooh, we are returning to fascism, and so on" doesn't work. And while I despise so-called fundamentalists, we should not knock, or buy too simply, this liberal opposition between us, good liberal guys, versus them, bad fundamentalists. The first counterargument that I mentioned is "Wait a minute; are these really fundamentalists?" It's an affront to fundamentalism to call people like Jim Bakker or Jimmy Swaggart [chuckles] fundamentalists. I had once a conversation with my good friend, one of the last Marxist dinosaurs, Fred Jameson, who told me, "True fundamentalists are people like the army theologians who were against the Vietnam War." In Israel, it's the same. As all my Jewish friends are telling me, it's not some stupid, fanatic rabbis in Jerusalem versus tolerant Tel Aviv. Tel Aviv is worse, if anything! In Tel Aviv, you know, it's ethnically cleansed. There are almost no Palestinians. So, the most radical proponents of dialogue with the Palestinians are some very orthodox Jewish theologians.

http://www.electronicbookreview.com/thread/endconstruction/desublimation

[MannyIsGod]

Then why complain about it publicly?

Because it pisses them off?? Since when do people need much of a reason to complain. Its not like they want everyone to be ignorant of it. You don't think people would complain if they used MLK as his call sign?




Is it "messed up"? Eh, to me, not unless it was done deliberately. Maybe it's messed up that people don't know enough about Geronimo to know that it's a poor callsign name to use.


Equating Geronimo to Bin Laden is fucked up whether or not it was done out of ignorance. I don't get to walk into the hood and start calling everyone a ###### and then plead ignorance.



And if they had waited, yes, I think it might have gotten more traction. Let the euphoria die down a bit, and then raise the issue. Right now, it's like they are that one person at the party who keeps reminding their friends that they have to take a test tomorrow. Sure, it's true, but no one wants to hear about it.

Awww, they're party poopers :( . I don't think you understand what Geronimo means to a lot of natives.

[Stringer_Bell]

I don't think anyone thinks it reinforces the idea that Native Americans are enemies, they own all the coolest casinos. So they can't be ALL bad.

[JoeChalupa]

If you know the history of Geronimo I can understand them being upset. I know I think of toughness and honor when I think of Geronimo.

[ChumpDumper]

What if he had the code name Jesus?

Would that be offensive to anyone?

[MannyIsGod]

I'm just going by the comments made in the OP. What children are going to be impacted by this codename? Does said columnist really think that the admittedly poor taste of this codename really means that the govt still views Indians as enemies of the US?

Fair enough - your strawman was more real than I thought.

However....

The first item is a bit much, but the 2nd thing you highlighted is spot on.

[LnGrrrR]

What if he had the code name Jesus?

Would that be offensive to anyone?

Probably, but that would be a more obviously offensive name. As I said upthread, if anything is "messed up", it's lack of knowledge about Native American history, with this being an indicator of that.

[JoeChalupa]

What if he had the code name Jesus?

Would that be offensive to anyone?

Holy shit! Are you serious?

[LnGrrrR]

Fair enough - your strawman was more real than I thought.

However....

The first item is a bit much, but the 2nd thing you highlighted is spot on.

:toast

[MannyIsGod]

I just don't think you even need that much history though. Geronimo is a pretty fucking huge figure in American History.

[ChumpDumper]

Holy shit! Are you serious?What's the big deal? It's just a code name....lol, etc....

[LnGrrrR]

Because it pisses them off?? Since when do people need much of a reason to complain. Its not like they want everyone to be ignorant of it. You don't think people would complain if they used MLK as his call sign?

Good point. I doubt African-American leaders would wait to complain. I think, real-world, that Native Americans have less "pull" though, so they have to pick and choose their spots better. (Definitely not saying that's right, just realpolitik.)


Equating Geronimo to Bin Laden is fucked up whether or not it was done out of ignorance. I don't get to walk into the hood and start calling everyone a ###### and then plead ignorance.

Another good point.


Awww, they're party poopers :( . I don't think you understand what Geronimo means to a lot of natives.

Probably not. I know of his history, but I don't think I've had much interaction with Native American culture.

[clambake]

its a ploy for more casino's

[JoeChalupa]

its a ploy for more casino's

I wouldn't bet on that. Again, the Native Americans are a proud people and if one would just read up on their history you'd understand.

[MannyIsGod]

Good point. I doubt African-American leaders would wait to complain. I think, real-world, that Native Americans have less "pull" though, so they have to pick and choose their spots better. (Definitely not saying that's right, just realpolitik.)



Another good point.



Probably not. I know of his history, but I don't think I've had much interaction with Native American culture.

Lots of reservations around here and I live with an American Studies degree holder who did a lot on Native American studies. On day one when they released the code name Jekka emailed me knowing this was going to be bad.

[clambake]

its a ploy for more casino's


I wouldn't bet on that.

:lol

[Stringer_Bell]

What if he had the code name Jesus?

Would that be offensive to anyone?

The Hispanic community would have been throwing a shit fit. You know how many people that build houses with that name? A ton. And no other race has more Jesus's than Hispanics, and since they will be the majority of America soon they know it's best not to offend them.

[LnGrrrR]

I just don't think you even need that much history though. Geronimo is a pretty fucking huge figure in American History.

Cmon Manny, have you not seen how many dumb people there are in those "man on the street" segments various shows do?

As well, knowing about the history of Geronimo doesn't really give you an idea of the cultural relevancy of the figure.

[Lizard_King]

I just don't get what idiot gave Bin Laden that code name and why? It was pretty fucking stupid. They just associate a guy who is a hero to a lot of native Americans with Bin Laden and I can't figure out why they were so stupid.

Geronimo = Attacked the U.S.
Osama Bin Laden = Attacked the U.S.

It could be said that both attacked the U.S. for idealistic reasons, Geronimo attacking the U.S. because of their push into Apache territory, and Osama Bin Laden attacking the U.S. because of it's push into the middle east and more specifically into his homeland of Saudi Arabia.

:cry I live in New Mexico so I can really sympathize with how the Native Americans are feeling, and this really pisses me off! :cry

crofl what a bitch :wow

[RandomGuy]

I just don't get what idiot gave Bin Laden that code name and why? It was pretty fucking stupid. They just associate a guy who is a hero to a lot of native Americans with Bin Laden and I can't figure out why they were so stupid.

My thoughts exactly. You know this was going to happen.

I would have given him a much less flattering nickname.

"pustule" or similar.

"We have popped the pustule". Take that. :ihit

[Spurminator]

I would have gone with Megatron.

[coyotes_geek]

I would have gone with Megatron.

Unacceptable. Offensive to nerds.

[TeyshaBlue]

Coyote would've been perfect.

[MannyIsGod]

Would have gone with waldo myself

[The Reckoning]

everyones offended at everything. welcome to the 21st century.

i dont see any problem with the name...geronimo was someone on the loose from american authorities and would have been seen as some type of terrorist back then.

plus when they jumped out of the helis into the complex you know they were all yelling "GERONIMOOOOOOOOOO"

[fyatuk]

What if he had the code name Jesus?

Would that be offensive to anyone?

bin Laden :lol

[cheguevara]

performed genocide on their ppl, slave them and alcoholize their society, taken to death camps (err I mean "reservations") and they are offended at the missuse of Geronimo?? :lol

[JoeChalupa]

Geronimo was also fighting for his homeland.

[JoeChalupa]

Not to mention the meaningless treaties that were never honored.

[DarrinS]

I just don't get what idiot gave Bin Laden that code name and why? It was pretty fucking stupid. They just associate a guy who is a hero to a lot of native Americans with Bin Laden and I can't figure out why they were so stupid.


:lmao


Why do people read so much into this?

[DarrinS]

Honestly, I doubt they were very concerned about possible PR. They just needed a recognizable word/name for him.


Ding ding ding ding ding!


We have a winner.

[cheguevara]

the funniest thing is they gave him a proper burial as not to offend the terrorists :lmao

[velik_m]

They probably thought Geronimo was a fictional character.

[DarrinS]

I find it very offensive when paratroopers yell "Geronimo!" as they jump out of a plane.

:lol


Meanwhile,


http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/MED/10/1060/9LVL000Z/posters/washington-redskins-helmet-logo.jpg

http://www.grandcentralsports.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Cleveland-Indians-Logo.png

[Crookshanks]

Oh my god people! Get over yourselves! This is nothing more than political correctness run amok. People get offended over everything now days. It's a code name - I doubt ANY thought was given to it. Let's just concentrate on the fact that the filthy sucker is dead - I could care less what his code name was!

[LnGrrrR]

I think Megatron would've been an acceptable name, except some people might have thought they were hunting down Calvin Johnson.

[z0sa]

Hate to say it, but no one gives a fuck. It was just a codename, and codenames tend to be things that people will be unable to resolve easily based on its mere presence, thus making commonly used words more enticing when choosing them.

[elbamba]

Ten years and we finally get the SOB and people still need something to whine about. Sometimes I just don't get my countrymen, errr, compatriots.

[DarrinS]

I think a good code name would've been Dirty Santa.

[Blake]

I find it very offensive when paratroopers yell "Geronimo!" as they jump out of a plane.

:lol


Meanwhile,


http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/MED/10/1060/9LVL000Z/posters/washington-redskins-helmet-logo.jpg

http://www.grandcentralsports.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Cleveland-Indians-Logo.png

yes, those logos/team names are also offensive to a number of Native Americans as well.

I don't blame them.

[Blake]

Oh my god people! Get over yourselves! This is nothing more than political correctness run amok. People get offended over everything now days. It's a code name - I doubt ANY thought was given to it. Let's just concentrate on the fact that the filthy sucker is dead - I could care less what his code name was!

Are you Native American?

[Crookshanks]

Are you Native American?

Not fully - but I have Cherokee blood on my father's side. I just think people are way too sensitive and political correctness has gone too far.

[Blake]

Not fully - but I have Cherokee blood on my father's side. I just think people are way too sensitive and political correctness has gone too far.

I was just wondering if you had talked to your people face to face, telling them to "get over themselves."

[DarrinS]

Having a Scandanavian ancestry, I'm highly offending by the Minnesota Vikings logo and this guy.


http://blog.fileplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/muppet-chef.jpg

[clambake]

a scandinavian birther.

there's a joke there, somewhere.

[DarrinS]

a scandinavian birther.

there's a joke there, somewhere.

you continue not to matter

[clambake]

my fault for not addressing you directly.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh my god people! Get over yourselves! This is nothing more than political correctness run amok. People get offended over everything now days. It's a code name - I doubt ANY thought was given to it. Let's just concentrate on the fact that the filthy sucker is dead - I could care less what his code name was!How about Christ our Lord?

[clambake]

How about Christ our Lord?

you're asking the wrong person.

she really doesn't have a god.

[MannyIsGod]

Crookshanks telling someone else to get over themselves is fucking classic.

[Creepn]

I have to admit when I first heard them say "Geronimo", I immediately thought "WTF?" I thought we regarded this guy as a brave warrior and a hero in America and they are giving a name like that to a piece of cowardly trash?

If you think about it, Geronimo was fighting against an invasion to his native land and his people while the us military was the aggressor. Which one is closer to the actions of bin laden?

[Spurminator]

Some of you guys get so worked up and defensive when the subject of racism is brought up it amazes me that you can call others "too sensitive" with a straight face.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Of all the stupid shit to get riled up about...

[ElNono]

Geraldo was already taken...

[diego]

Well, Geronimo has a more "militaristic" feel. For instance, the people who jump out of planes in the movies who shout "Geronimo!!!" aren't probably intending for the jump to be symbolic of anything Geronimo actually did.

Geronimo is used as a battle cry because he was known for his bravery in facing insurmountable odds. It is absolutely symbolic for his name to be used in the context of a skydiver, and regrettable for it to be used as a codename for a terrorist. I know several people named after him, even a woman.

Did the people who chose the codename intentionally choose his name to piss of native americans? of course not. Does that excuse them for not having thought of a better name? No.

If the codename had been Jesus, MLK, or Trump, there would be criticism and the main argument would be "how could you not know that christians / african americans / rich white me-err, republicans would be offended by those codenames?". Native americans are complaining that the general US culture does not take them into account the way they do christians / african americans/ republicans, which is a shame. Immigrants and minority groups from around the world have more rights in the US than the actual native peoples.

of course, when native americans ask for a little respect from their modern government its PC bullshit from the hyper sensitive. but when paying customers dont get the service they expect from their cellphones (even when the manuals warn about reception problems and information tracking), that is grounds for a congressional inquiry, as they clearly have a serious problem that demands national attention.

[MannyIsGod]

Geronimo is used as a battle cry because he was known for his bravery in facing insurmountable odds. It is absolutely symbolic for his name to be used in the context of a skydiver, and regrettable for it to be used as a codename for a terrorist. I know several people named after him, even a woman.

Did the people who chose the codename intentionally choose his name to piss of native americans? of course not. Does that excuse them for not having thought of a better name? No.

If the codename had been Jesus, MLK, or Trump, there would be criticism and the main argument would be "how could you not know that christians / african americans / rich white me-err, republicans would be offended by those codenames?". Native americans are complaining that the general US culture does not take them into account the way they do christians / african americans/ republicans, which is a shame. Immigrants and minority groups from around the world have more rights in the US than the actual native peoples.

of course, when native americans ask for a little respect from their modern government its PC bullshit from the hyper sensitive. but when paying customers dont get the service they expect from their cellphones (even when the manuals warn about reception problems and information tracking), that is grounds for a congressional inquiry, as they clearly have a serious problem that demands national attention.

:tu

[DarrinS]

Did the people who chose the codename intentionally choose his name to piss of native americans? of course not. Does that excuse them for not having thought of a better name? No.


It's silly, petty bullshit.



Of course, when native americans ask for a little respect from their modern government its PC bullshit from the hyper sensitive.

They deserve respect and were not disrespected by this codename.

[CosmicCowboy]

They should have code named him "Popeye"....:lol

[MannyIsGod]

It's silly, petty bullshit.



They deserve respect and were not disrespected by this codename.

So you get to tell other people when they were disrespected? :lol