Might be a dumb question but...

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

Why is it that conservatives insist on Bush getting credit for "laying the groundwork" for getting UBL (even though Obama has been in office for 2 years now), but they won't acknowledge Bush laid the groundwork for the recession and economic meltdown we are still fighting are way out of 2 years later? Not to mention when the towers came down, Conservatives insisted it was Clinton's fault a successful attack was launched by UBL...even though Bush was in office for over 2 years

I do agree Bush and Barack both deserve credit for getting this asshole btw

[IronMaxipad]

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[fyatuk]

Why is it that conservatives insist on Bush getting credit for "laying the groundwork" for getting UBL (even though Obama has been in office for 2 years now), but they won't acknowledge Bush laid the groundwork for the recession and economic meltdown we are still fighting are way out of 2 years later? Not to mention when the towers came down, Conservatives insisted it was Clinton's fault a successful attack was launched by UBL...even though Bush was in office for over 2 years

I do agree Bush and Barack both deserve credit for getting this asshole btw

No idea.

Bush and Obama deserve credit for getting bin Laden.

Bush and Clinton deserve blame for 9/11 and the economic meltdown (and possibly even Bush 1 on the economy).

It's rather obvious.

It's rare that something is only a single President's work, good or bad.

[DarrinS]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_recession#Debate_over_origins

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

Read your own link
"Debate over origins"

[boutons_deux]

No idea.

Bush and Obama deserve credit for getting bin Laden.

Bush and Clinton deserve blame for 9/11 and the economic meltdown (and possibly even Bush 1 on the economy).

It's rather obvious.

It's rare that something is only a single President's work, good or bad.

all bullshit

[JoeChalupa]

They want to give him credit for this but won't give Bush credit for the debt he left.

[DarrinS]

They want to give him credit for this but won't give Bush credit for the debt he left.

lol -- and Obama tripled it.

[DarrinS]

Read your own link
"Debate over origins"

That's the point.

[Wild Cobra]

lol -- and Obama tripled it.


That's the point.
Obama had to do one thing that was more than Bush now, didn't he?

[Nbadan]

lol -- and Obama tripled it.

:lmao

Bush doubled the national debt, almost tripled it, Obama saved the economy, along with the dollar, a major American company along with millions of American jobs for a little over 2 trillion...

[Nbadan]

Why is it that conservatives insist on Bush getting credit for "laying the groundwork" for getting UBL (even though Obama has been in office for 2 years now), but they won't acknowledge Bush laid the groundwork for the recession and economic meltdown we are still fighting are way out of 2 years later? Not to mention when the towers came down, Conservatives insisted it was Clinton's fault a successful attack was launched by UBL...even though Bush was in office for over 2 years

I do agree Bush and Barack both deserve credit for getting this asshole btw

Pretty simple, wing-nuts are missing the gene that allows them to take the blame for anything...nothing is ever their fault...

[TDMVPDPOY]

[QUOTE=fyatuk;5208919]

Bush and Clinton deserve blame for 9/11 and the economic meltdown (and possibly even Bush 1 on the economy).
/QUOTE]

holdon there...clinton left a surplus for bush to play with, so you blaming clinton for the debt?

[Nbadan]

[QUOTE=fyatuk;5208919]

Bush and Clinton deserve blame for 9/11 and the economic meltdown (and possibly even Bush 1 on the economy).
/QUOTE]

holdon there...clinton left a surplus for bush to play with, so you blaming clinton for the debt?

I'm still waiting to hear how Clinton was responsible for 9/11 too

[MannyIsGod]

lol -- and Obama tripled it.

Link?

[MannyIsGod]

I know that Darrin is usually pretty stupid but this is bad even for him. Bush leaves with a debt at about 10.75 trillion. Right now its at about 14 trillion. Can someone tell me how the fuck thats a tripling it?

[Nbadan]

I know that Darrin is usually pretty stupid but this is bad even for him. Bush leaves with a debt at about 10.75 trillion. Right now its at about 14 trillion. Can someone tell me how the fuck thats a tripling it?

Actually, I believe Bush's debt went from 5.95T to about 11.6T while obama has taken the debt to about 14.2T....

[ElNono]

I know that Darrin is usually pretty stupid but this is bad even for him. Bush leaves with a debt at about 10.75 trillion. Right now its at about 14 trillion. Can someone tell me how the fuck thats a tripling it?

Rush said it!

[v2freak]

:lmao

Bush doubled the national debt, almost tripled it, Obama saved the economy, along with the dollar, a major American company along with millions of American jobs for a little over 2 trillion...

Can you explain how he saved the dollar, please?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Can you explain how he saved the dollar, please?

leaving it low to increase demand for ur exports, but whose actually buying ur shit when you run by ur set of shitty laws compared to the EU and others, no one wants to buy ur agriculture products cause its GM crap injected with hormone crap :(

even with the increase in exports, mainly other products, how m uch of that money is gong back to the country in taxes or are they transit into foreign owned companies offshores in tax haven countries....doesnt really make a difference

the value of the dollar is not even worth the paper its printed on

[boutons_deux]

lol -- and Obama tripled it.

You Lie

Obama's first budget was actually smaller than dubya's last budget.

The DEFICIT was tripled by dubya, his wars, his DHS of 230K losers, his tax cuts, and HIS Banksters' Great Depression cratered tax receipts at all govt levels.

Runaway spending is just another Repug lie to cut taxes for the wealthy and corps. Govt portion of the GDP is lower now than in 1977.

[DarrinS]

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wapoobamabudget1.jpg

[PublicOption]

I love this thread.

I think the ONLY reason Obama spent more money was because of the wars and the only way for the Govt to save a failing economy is to increase govt spending.......because NO ONE ELSE is spending. Its basic economics........and educated people know that.

Go Obama..............you got my vote.

..........and I voted for Ron Paul last time.

[MannyIsGod]

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wapoobamabudget1.jpg

That graphic doesn't show a tripling of the national debt nor the debt Bush left. Anyone with simply math skills already knows you're an idiot but if you can produce an explanation go for it.

[fyatuk]

holdon there...clinton left a surplus for bush to play with, so you blaming clinton for the debt?

You think Surplus/Deficit are the only issues involving the economy?

Clinton passed into law quite a bit of what led to the housing market collapse, and several other similar legislations led to a market conducisive to the type of crappy mechinations that led to the collapse.

And Clinton's "surplus" was bullshit anyway. He stripped the SS trust dry, converting the hard currency to treasury notes, to pay down debt leaving us with a SS trust that won't be able to collect those notes because of the current deficit. Clinton's policies created a short term boom at the expense of long-term stability.

Bush screwed it up even worse. He didn't enforce regulation like he should have, and he allowed the defecit to balloon to a tipping point. And really, some of the problematic legislation dated back to Bush 1, hence my inclusion in him as well.


I'm still waiting to hear how Clinton was responsible for 9/11 too

Again, laws passed during Clinton's years inhibited the flow of information between intelligence agencies. In addition, the Clinton administration had several chances to take out bin Laden, but didn't fearing political reprisal if it turned into an unpopular act. Also, the intelligence community under Clinton recognized several of the perpetrators of 9/11 as potential terrorists, but never followed up on the report.

Most of the blame for 9/11 definitely falls on the Bush administration, which even admits they had no focus on terrorism before 9/11, but Clinton had the capability of disrupting the plan as well and chose not to act.

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As I said, only rarely is anything a single president's fault.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms//12-16-09bud-rev6-28-10-f1.jpg

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036

[FromWayDowntown]

Why not take every opportunity to make every event that ever happens about politics?

What's most striking to me in the effort to allocate credit for Bin Laden's demise is that virtually everyone who was intimately involved in that operation has (likely) been working on this project since the Bush Presidency and through the Obama Presidency. The killing is certainly good political news for Obama; but if we're objectively divvying up credit for that event coming to pass, the many non-political analysts and soldiers who meticulously developed the intelligence, planned the operation, and carried out the plan in such an efficient manner (getting both their man and a haul of additional information) strike me as the people who actually deserve the most credit here. [/Monday]

[boutons_deux]

"been working on this project since the Bush Presidency"

dubya shut down his OBL search, saying OBL wasn't worth his time.

[TeyshaBlue]

Why not take every opportunity to make every event that ever happens about politics?.....The killing is certainly good political news for Obama; but if we're objectively divvying up credit for that event coming to pass, the many non-political analysts and soldiers who meticulously developed the intelligence, planned the operation, and carried out the plan in such an efficient manner (getting both their man and a haul of additional information) strike me as the people who actually deserve the most credit here.

Partisan hacks like DarrinS and boutonski have either had their objectivity surgically removed or it has withered in abject atrophy.

[Wild Cobra]

Partisan hacks like DarrinS and boutonski have either had their objectivity surgically removed or it has withered in abject atrophy.
Congress is to blame. All spending bills originate there. The presidents are to blame to the point that they OK'd the spending.

Wait...

The voters are actually to blame for continually electing liberals and RINO's who spend the money the way we vote for them too!

Both parties are wrong. The voters are greedy. We need the Tea Party ideals.

[v2freak]

leaving it low to increase demand for ur exports, but whose actually buying ur shit when you run by ur set of shitty laws compared to the EU and others, no one wants to buy ur agriculture products cause its GM crap injected with hormone crap :(

even with the increase in exports, mainly other products, how m uch of that money is gong back to the country in taxes or are they transit into foreign owned companies offshores in tax haven countries....doesnt really make a difference

the value of the dollar is not even worth the paper its printed on

I know a currency that depreciates is more desirable in international markets. My question is, if Nbadan is referring to Quantitative easing, that's more of a function of monetary policy and the central bank than President Obama.

[Jamtas#2]

Why is it that conservatives insist on Bush getting credit for "laying the groundwork" for getting UBL (even though Obama has been in office for 2 years now), but they won't acknowledge Bush laid the groundwork for the recession and economic meltdown we are still fighting are way out of 2 years later? Not to mention when the towers came down, Conservatives insisted it was Clinton's fault a successful attack was launched by UBL...even though Bush was in office for over 2 years

I do agree Bush and Barack both deserve credit for getting this asshole btw

Because we live in such a hyper partisan world where everyone seems to have to choose a side and all good things should either be credit towards them (or shared when out of power) and all bad things are the fault of the other party.

We have people like DarrinS who would have you believe if we got rid of all the democrats (the holier than thou, wealthy liberals who want to spend all your money on unions and the lazy/unemployed), the deficit would go away, jobs would return and the American dream is in reach for everyone who works hard and wants it. (cause if you are poor and struggling – you just didn’t want it enough)

Then we have people like boutons who would have you believe that the pure evil that is a repug-lican is at fault for all the wrongs in the world (no really, all the wrongs-poverty, slavery, extinction of the dinosaurs) and if we got rid of all them we’d live in a peaceful world where you don’t have to worry about them breaking down your door one day to stomp on your kittens and take all of your money to give to the oil companies.

I really enjoy that we do have posters like Teysha who can post their thoughts and opinions regularly without having to look through such a narrow viewpoint that actually is what is poisoning our country. if our country wasn't so divided right now and unwilling to compromise with the other side, a lot more cpould be achieved. But because neither party wants to give the other one something to campaign on, we get the good old gridlock we have now. (Which I understand is the fault of either the evil VRWC or that Muslim Kenyan who faked a birth certificate to become President of our country and our liberal media is too scared to call him out)

[Proxy]

Because we live in such a hyper partisan world where everyone seems to have to choose a side and all good things should either be credit towards them (or shared when out of power) and all bad things are the fault of the other party.

We have people like DarrinS who would have you believe if we got rid of all the democrats (the holier than thou, wealthy liberals who want to spend all your money on unions and the lazy/unemployed), the deficit would go away, jobs would return and the American dream is in reach for everyone who works hard and wants it. (cause if you are poor and struggling – you just didn’t want it enough)

Then we have people like boutons who would have you believe that the pure evil that is a repug-lican is at fault for all the wrongs in the world (no really, all the wrongs-poverty, slavery, extinction of the dinosaurs) and if we got rid of all them we’d live in a peaceful world where you don’t have to worry about them breaking down your door one day to stomp on your kittens and take all of your money to give to the oil companies.

I really enjoy that we do have posters like Teysha who can post their thoughts and opinions regularly without having to look through such a narrow viewpoint that actually is what is poisoning our country. if our country wasn't so divided right now and unwilling to compromise with the other side, a lot more cpould be achieved. But because neither party wants to give the other one something to campaign on, we get the good old gridlock we have now. (Which I understand is the fault of either the evil VRWC or that Muslim Kenyan who faked a birth certificate to become President of our country and our liberal media is too scared to call him out)

You lost me at the end. You're a damn fool if you assumed a Muslim Kenyan could become leader of the free world without necessary and obvious requirements. The entire birth certificate fiasco was an embarrassment to the nation.

It's funny that you bring up the division issue. We can all blame republicans for keeping Obama from doing what he wanted to do to help decrease the accumulating debt. It's funny that conservatives bash him for that, when it could be fixed by getting rid of the Bush tax cuts and raising taxes on the 250K+

The only reason people want to give Bush credit, is because they hate Obama.... simple as that.

[Winehole23]

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wapoobamabudget1.jpg

At the risk of belaboring the obvious, the federal budget deficit didn’t just suddenly arise solely because of actions taken by Democrats over the last two years. As a recent report from Pew (http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFiles/wwwpewtrustsorg/Fact_Sheets/Economic_Policy/drivers_federal_debt_since_2001.pdf) makes clear, the bulk of it results from a recession that began in December 2007 and actions taken by Republicans when they were in power: huge tax cuts, two unfunded wars, and new spending programs such as Medicare Part D (http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2010/03/29/Closing-Medicare-Drug-Gap-Helps-Democrats-Sell-Reform.aspx). Furthermore, Republicans themselves admit that even if their budget plans were enacted in every detail and spending is slashed, the government would still run deficits of more than $5 trillion over the next 10 years; that is what would result from the budget drafted by Rep. Paul Ryan (http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/04/05/Ryan-Budget-Plan-Slashes-Spending-Lowers-Taxes.aspx), which all but 4 Republicans in the House voted for on April 15.


For the record, these are the deficits that House Republicans officially support (fiscal years): 2012: $995 billion; 2013: $698 billion; 2014: $489 billion; 2015: $431 billion; 2016: $478 billion; 2017: $407 billion; 2018: $378 billion; 2019: $415 billion; 2020: $405 billion; and 2021: $391 billion.


To vote for $5 trillion in additional deficits – not to mention all of the legislation that got us to today’s deficit – and then oppose allowing the Treasury to borrow funds to cover the lost revenue from tax cuts and the spending Congress enacted into law is nothing but reckless grandstanding.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2011/05/06/Debt-Ceiling-May-Come-Crashing-Down-on-Treasury.aspx

[ChumpDumper]

DarrinS quotes the heritage foundation

automatic forfeit. he losesTurns out they had a cool health care policy plan, though.

[SnakeBoy]

It's funny that you bring up the division issue. We can all blame republicans for keeping Obama from doing what he wanted to do to help decrease the accumulating debt. It's funny that conservatives bash him for that, when it could be fixed by getting rid of the Bush tax cuts and raising taxes on the 250K+


The Bush tax cuts were set to expire. It's not the republicans fault that Obama extended them.