Manu may have had a broken arm

[rude1_79]

and not just a hyper extension:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/23/ginobili-says-he-played-with-broken-arm-in-playoffs/

[cheguevara]

but, but the Grizz were better than us :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

Another year, another Manu playoff injury.

[boutons_deux]

The Grizz WERE better than the Spurs.

the over-dramatic/bone sticking-out-of-skin/sectioned-bone "broken arm" here means only a hairline fracture.

My guess is the muscle and ligament injury had much worse effect (pain, restricted movement) than a tiny fracture.

[beirmeistr]

Ginobili averaged 20 points playing with a broken arm?


And the legend grows.

[spurs50_]

another year and another pop playoff brain fart......but, but , he won us four rings, he can do no wrong.

[spursfan09]

And he still played better than any other Spur.

[spurs10]

Not recognizing the negative effect Manu's injury had on the series is pretty ridiculous. It's not an excuse, just a fact.

[MannyIsGod]

Ginobili averaged 20 points playing with a broken arm?


And the legend grows.

The legend huh? I assume its not the China Doll syndrome that you're referring to.

[Nick Manning]

The Manu cumchugging will reach new levels with this thread.

[dbreiden83080]

And the legend grows.

What?

Riding Duncan's coattails to three rings..

[Spurtacus]

BatManu

[Bandit2981]

Another reason for Parker to STFU

[MannyIsGod]

Why? Parker actually stays healthy.

[Bandit2981]

I just think its cheap for someone who didn't show up until game 4 to say to world media that Manu's age is why the spurs can't win anymore, when Manu carried the team with a (now learned) broken bone in his elbow.

[Cane]

And he wanted to play in game 1 as well :king


Why? Parker actually stays healthy.

Physically, maybe although he's not exactly the one man fast break he used to be. Mentally, not so much if the Eva/Barry situation is of any indication :downspin:

[ABrooks111]

Why? Parker actually stays healthy.

Which makes it even more pathetic that he played far worse than Manu against Memphis.

[MannyIsGod]

I just think its cheap for someone who didn't show up until game 4 to say to world media that Manu's age is why the spurs can't win anymore, when Manu carried the team with a (now learned) broken bone in his elbow.

He didn't do a very good job "carrying" the team with a broken arm.

Manu is a great player, but so is Parker. There's no reason to favor one over the other as they've both made great plays that led to titles. Sure, Parker was not so great in a couple of games this series but if not for Manu's foul in 06 we're winning 3 titles in a row. But his 3 put them in that position to begin with.

See the point?

[MannyIsGod]

Physically, maybe although he's not exactly the one man fast break he used to be. Mentally, not so much if the Eva/Barry situation is of any indication :downspin:

He played fine all season. That situation didn't seem to harm him at all.

[Bandit2981]

I see what you're saying, and Parker is an important part of the team for sure, I just think it sounded like he was trying to absolve himself from any blame as to why the Spurs can't compete for titles anymore and it's all because Manu and Tim are too old. Dallas is the oldest team in the league and may yet win it all. Spurs had bad luck with injuries right at the end of the season, too many players played poorly, and Memphis was energized and hungry. I don't think age is a good excuse, more like a cop-out.

[Mugen]

all in a meaningless last regular season game. fuckin pop :lol

[easy7]

Manu is a bad mofo... mad props.

[Cane]

I see what you're saying, and Parker is an important part of the team for sure, I just think it sounded like he was trying to absolve himself from any blame as to why the Spurs can't compete for titles anymore and it's all because Manu and Tim are too old. Dallas is the oldest team in the league and may yet win it all. Spurs had bad luck with injuries right at the end of the season, too many players played poorly, and Memphis was energized and hungry. I don't think age is a good excuse, more like a cop-out.

Yea for me Tony's stock is pretty low right now after playing terribly in the playoffs, his recent quotes, and the unhealthy Eva/Barry situation. Not much to like there as a fan tbh.

Damn shame the Spurs ran into injuries at the end of the season but then again Memphis didn't have Rudy Gay either.

[Solid D]

I'm not surprised by this report. The arm bent way back as Grant Hill forced his way over the top of Timmy's screen.

The Spurs needed others besides Manu to step their game up. It just didn't happen. Credit the Grizzlies. They played inspired.

[Horse]

Not recognizing the negative effect Manu's injury had on the series is pretty ridiculous. It's not an excuse, just a fact.
Thank you! And these stupid fucks at espn who said the Spurs were not as good as their record, are calling this the greatest upset ever. And our best player was injured. And the grizz are pretty good, gotta be the best 8 seed ever so how is that the greatest upset ever?

[DJ Mbenga]

what did tony parker have?

[Chomag]

When was the last time Manu has been healthy in the playoffs anyway?

I still find it funny how people want to use the Manu injury excuse but refuse to use the same thing for the Grizzlies, Rudy being one of their best players as well, and at least Manu did play in which the Grizzlies didn't have that option . The better team always wins a 4 game series.

Grizzlies beat the spurs almost everywhere on the court, Spurs just have way to many weaknesses to be the better team.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

The Grizzlies bullied the Spurs both mentally and physically. No excuses.

[tmtcsc]

Manu's broken arm had nothing to do with him dribbling the ball until the clock was almost out in Game 3.

He's hands down my favorite player but no one on the Spurs played well. Careless turnovers, mental errors, lack of physical play led to their first round ouster.

Manu's arm doesn't excuse Tim or Tony's awful games. RJ's disappearing is well chronicled.

Bad year.

[Budkin]

What?

Riding Duncan's coattails to three rings..

Did you even fucking watch the 2005 or 2007 runs? Obviously not.

[ducks]

manu needs to be traded for a player that is heathy in the playoff
several players in the nba are better then a 50% manu

[ducks]

stephen jackson comes to mind

[ducks]

what did tony parker have?

played better then gasol in playoffs

[ducks]

Ginobili averaged 20 points playing with a broken arm?


And the legend grows.

legend of being hurt
yep

[Mel_13]

played better then gasol in playoffs

But not better than Manu. I guess Tony needs to be traded for a player that shows up in the playoffs. Mike Conley comes to mind. :rolleyes

[spurtech09]

If the spurs can go back to game 1 --spurs vs grizzlies....healthy manu and bonner kept on the bench....duncan,blair,parker,manu,and even rj....spurs win game one and the series.....imagine manu with a healthy arm?manu would be beyond unstoppable....spurs can win the championship next yr with the same roster just put the right line up to fix the pieces .....if there is a nba season next yr....duncan,blair,parker,manu,hill.....than bench you have players like splitter,dice,gary neal,james anderson,de sean butler, rj,and etc etc...spurs are still contenders to me....to me parker doesn't want to be in SA another more for him to say that....it looked like he didn't have any emotion in that series

[ducks]

manu and tp both did not drive enough

manu was out there so you can not blame the injury
if he was so hurt he should have been glued to the bench

no one hit outside shots so it hurt the driving game of both manu and tp


so you should get rid of those players

[wunderkindepiphany]

Suddenly Pop's sitting Manu in Game 1 and his comments about how if we had been healthy we could have won dont seem so crazy to me.

[spurtech09]

manu and tp both did not drive enough

manu was out there so you can not blame the injury
if he was so hurt he should have been glued to the bench

no one hit outside shots so it hurt the driving game of both manu and tp


so you should get rid of those players
thats how good manu is....he was playing good while with a hurt arm....imagine him with a healthy arm....he would of drive more to the rim with a reckless abandon......he would of gone to the free throw line more and he would of been more agressive....yes he was out there but he wasn't the same manu ....so yes I do blame the injury

[dbreiden83080]

Did you even fucking watch the 2005 or 2007 runs? Obviously not.

Watched every minute, he played well (2005 finals especially) Manu was a non-factor in 2003. But he still rode Duncan to the titles. Just like Pippen rode Jordan..

[Proxy]

What?

Riding Duncan's coattails to three rings..

Shut up you stupid bitch. We wouldn't have an 05 or 07 ring without Manu.

[Proxy]

manu and tp both did not drive enough

manu was out there so you can not blame the injury
if he was so hurt he should have been glued to the bench

no one hit outside shots so it hurt the driving game of both manu and tp


so you should get rid of those players

How dumb can you be? What the fuck kind of logic do you have in not counting the injury towards anything? Manu did everything he could. TP lost the first three fucking games by missing shots he should make in his sleep.

[ElNono]

The Manu cumchugging will reach new levels with this thread.

Yes

[dbreiden83080]

Shut up you stupid bitch. We wouldn't have an 05 or 07 ring without Manu.

And Jordan would not have 6 without Scottie

WTF is your point??

Who the hell is Manu without Duncan? What impact would he have made in the NBA without the Spurs and Duncan? He played very well for the Spurs no doubt but Spurs fans love to over-rate the hell outta him.. He was good never great..

[ElNono]

what did tony parker have?

sand

[edgar]

Make no mistake about it, the San Antonio Spurs were not playing like they were accustomed to playing. Turnovers, pressure, and our youth movement was to blame. I do not know how much of this you credit the Grizzlies but they do deserve credit.

Manu's injury obviously did not help any of these facts but it wasn't Manu's fault that we lost this series. We were in most of the 6 games played except for the one blowout game. The difference this year could have been better excecution, better coaching tactics, and of course more ball movement. We isolated too much and could not decide what our ultimate strengths were going to be against this young Grizzlies team.

[bus driver]

what did tony parker have?

the same thing that paul gasol had vagnitis. :wakeup

[DAF86]

And Jordan would not have 6 without Scottie

WTF is your point??

Who the hell is Manu without Duncan? What impact would he have made in the NBA without the Spurs and Duncan? He played very well for the Spurs no doubt but Spurs fans love to over-rate the hell outta him.. He was good never great..

An olympic gold medalist among other stuff. Try to make your point without discrediting one of the winningest basketball players of all time.

[Proxy]

And Jordan would not have 6 without Scottie

WTF is your point??

Who the hell is Manu without Duncan? What impact would he have made in the NBA without the Spurs and Duncan? He played very well for the Spurs no doubt but Spurs fans love to over-rate the hell outta him.. He was good never great..

A 100% healthy Manu has been as good as any guard over the past decade. To deny that is moronic. How good is Duncan rated on the all-time list without the 05 and 07 titles? TD would be ranked under KG without those titles.

What is your logic? How does the majority of Spursnation overrate Manu?

[ducks]

thats how good manu is....he was playing good while with a hurt arm....imagine him with a healthy arm....he would of drive more to the rim with a reckless abandon......he would of gone to the free throw line more and he would of been more agressive....yes he was out there but he wasn't the same manu ....so yes I do blame the injury

doubt manu would have been much better

[dbreiden83080]

An olympic gold medalist among other stuff. Try to make your point without discrediting one of the winningest basketball players of all time.

With a virtual non-existant NBA career. He was never good enough to be a franchise player anywhere..

[ducks]

An olympic gold medalist among other stuff. Try to make your point without discrediting one of the winningest basketball players of all time.

olympic gold medalist

dude the players in the nba playoffs are better then the teams he faced in the olympics

[dbreiden83080]

TD would be ranked under KG without those titles.


:lol

Duncan's legacy was better than KG's long before 2005..

KG is maybe a little better than Ewing.. Maybe...

[Muser]

With a virtual non-existant NBA career.

:rolleyes

[dbreiden83080]

:rolleyes

He's that relevant in the NBA if he puts up 15 or so a game and never wins a ring

Really.. Okay.. Does the name John Starks ring a bell??

[Proxy]

:lol

Duncan's legacy was better than KG's long before 2005..

KG is maybe a little better than Ewing.. Maybe...

TD would be ranked a little better than Ewing without Manu's existence.

[DAF86]

With a virtual non-existant NBA career. He was never good enough to be a franchise player anywhere..

How do you know that? Most people think that Manu was the best player of a 61 wins team. If Joe Johnson can be the franchise player of a second round playoffs team then I think Manu could too and be even better. If Billups can be the leader of an NBA champion why can't Manu?

Anyways, all of this is speculation, the only fact is that Manu is one of the winningest basketball player of all time while beign a key player of all those winning teams, not just a Robert Horry.

[Proxy]

How do you know that? Most people think that Manu was the best player of a 61 wins team. If Joe Johnson can be the franchise player of a second round playoffs team then I think Manu could too and be even better. If Billups can be the leader of an NBA champion why can't Manu?

Anyways, all of this is speculation, the only fact is that Manu is one of the winningest basketball player of all time while beign a key player of all those winning teams, not just a Robert Horry.

[DAF86]

He's that relevant in the NBA if he puts up 15 or so a game and never wins a ring

Really.. Okay.. Does the name John Starks ring a bell??

In a team less stacked he would have put up more points, in a team equally stacked he would have won rings.

[John Basedow]

What magnificent courage. Bravo.

[Sean Cagney]

TD would be ranked a little better than Ewing without Manu's existence.

TD is ahead of Ewing easily all times.

02 without Gino in there he won the MVP.

[xXx]

That Manu's a bad mother fu...shut my mouf.

[J_Paco]

A 100% healthy Manu has been as good as any guard over the past decade. To deny that is moronic. How good is Duncan rated on the all-time list without the 05 and 07 titles? TD would be ranked under KG without those titles.

What is your logic? How does the majority of Spursnation overrate Manu?

I agree that Manu is under appreciated by many Spur fans, then again so is Tony, but that statement in bold is moronic. Duncan still would have two championships to one for Garnett. Also, Duncan didn't need to leave S.A. and join up with two all-stars to win his titles.

[Solid D]

KSAT 12 Sports just reported that they checked with the Spurs today and confirmed that Manu had a fracture of the Ulna, not the humerus as had been reported by Manu to Noticias. The ulna bone that runs on the outside from the wrist to the elbow has a micro-fracture where the bone joins the socket.

[silverblk mystix]

KSAT 12 Sports just reported that they checked with the Spurs today and confirmed that Manu had a fracture of the Ulna, not the humerus as had been reported by Manu to Noticias. The ulna bone that runs on the outside from the wrist to the elbow has a micro-fracture where the bone joins the socket.

Maybe we can speculate til the cows come home...

but maybe this brings to light one of the reasons that the spurs seemed less confident since the start of the grizzlies series...maybe they knew the real news about Manu's broken arm...

Again, it also shines the light on Pop and his decision to play Manu in a meaningless game-even though he kept Manu in street clothes in L.A.

[Mel_13]

i hate pop

[bonesinaz]

KSAT 12 Sports just reported that they checked with the Spurs today and confirmed that Manu had a fracture of the Ulna, not the humerus as had been reported by Manu to Noticias. The ulna bone that runs on the outside from the wrist to the elbow has a micro-fracture where the bone joins the socket.

He is tough. Now it makes sense why he sat out game one.

[silverblk mystix]

Absofuckinlutely!

[Mel_13]

Absofuckinlutely!

Good. Awareness of your obsession is an important part in dealing with it.

[silverblk mystix]

Good. Awareness of your obsession is an important part in dealing with it.

Obsession has nothing to do with it...Awareness...oh yeah ...I am absolutely aware and can see clearly that Pop stayed around for about 2-4 years too long and every season he continues to coach is a travesty.

If you cannot see this clearly...It may be time to face reality.

[Mel_13]

Obsession has nothing to do with it...Awareness...oh yeah ...I am absolutely aware and can see clearly that Pop stayed around for about 2-4 years too long and every season he continues to coach is a travesty.

If you cannot see this clearly...It may be time to face reality.

The only reality is that Pop will decide when he leaves. He has the confidence of the only person on the planet that matters.

Wasting emotion on Pop's status with the Spurs is irrational.

If you cannot see this clearly...It may be time to face reality.

[Ice009]

manu needs to be traded for a player that is heathy in the playoff
several players in the nba are better then a 50% manu


stephen jackson comes to mind

Don't bring this shit up. Could have probably have Stephen Jackson for RJ and then had both Manu and RJ, but none of you guys wanted that. I wanted to trade him immediately when SJax said he wanted out of Goldenstate. Pop even said last offseason in an interview that they thought about bringing SJax back. Spurs FO has made a lot of errors lately. At worst SJax probably gives us the boost that Gerald Wallace gave Portland.

[MmP]

olympic gold medalist

dude the players in the nba playoffs are better then the teams he faced in the olympics
:rollin
Gasol? Yao? Duncan, Iverson, James, Anthony, Stoudomire? Few players that come to mind that played in 04. Manu beat them all.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

All for a meaningless regular season game. Way to go Pop!

And LOL at the Parker lovers. Manu played better against Memphis with a broken arm than pepe lesuck played against them.

[Mel_13]

:rollin
Gasol? Yao? Duncan, Iverson, James, Anthony, Stoudomire? Few players that come to mind that played in 04. Manu beat them all.


http://i.cnn.net/si/2004/olympics/2004/basketball/08/27/usa.argentina.ap/p1_duncan.ginobili_ap.jpg

[Dex]

All for a meaningless regular season game. Way to go Pop!

And LOL at the Parker lovers. Manu played better against Memphis with a broken arm than pepe lesuck played against them.

And we knew Manu had his work cut out for him, going against one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA.

Allen locked down Manu's good hand, Randolph and Gasol packed the paint against Parker, and all the Spurs had left was Tim trying to be Tim.

[024]

it's been a while since ginobili has been healthy in the playoffs... it's almost an accepted fact that he'll be injured down the stretch now.

[Sean Cagney]

Maybe we can speculate til the cows come home...

but maybe this brings to light one of the reasons that the spurs seemed less confident since the start of the grizzlies series...maybe they knew the real news about Manu's broken arm...

Again, it also shines the light on Pop and his decision to play Manu in a meaningless game-even though he kept Manu in street clothes in L.A.

I remember some reporter saying Manu's injury is bad and worse than they are saying, forget who but he said it was bad before he even played game two! I know some knew.

[SenorSpur]

And he still played better than any other Spur.

...and THAT is the saddest indictment of all. A testimony as to how small the contributions of others were and further evidence as to just how flawed this team was, as a whole.

[Proxy]

I agree that Manu is under appreciated by many Spur fans, then again so is Tony, but that statement in bold is moronic. Duncan still would have two championships to one for Garnett. Also, Duncan didn't need to leave S.A. and join up with two all-stars to win his titles.

In the hypothetical situation, it wouldn't be as obvious. I still see people overrate KG above TD, even with the 4/3/2 resume. The asterisk for the 99 season, and the value of the Admiral being present for the two rings in 99 and 03 would be an bullshit arguing point for KG fanboys.... that being said, it would be moronic to rank Garnett above TD, even with 05 and 07 subtracted... bad choice of words on my part. Props for calling me out.

On another note, I don't think KG should be ridiculed for leaving a franchise that wasn't surrounding him with championship talent. By the time he went to Boston, every serious contender had multiple all-stars. He wasted his prime years in Minnesota and wanted to win.... I can't find it in myself to knock him for that. Boston doesn't win the 08 title, or contend for any others without him.

[siraulo23]

fucking phoenix suns eliminating us two years in a row, shit

[smeagol]

Another year, another Manu playoff injury.

It's probably his fault that another player fell on his arm.

[ElNono]

He was only healthy for 81 games until he decided to play on a meaningless game and brake his own arm... :rolleyes

It's like last year, when he was healthy all season long until he decided to foul Dirk using his beak... :rolleyes

[ALVAREZ6]

olympic gold medalist

dude the players in the nba playoffs are better then the teams he faced in the olympics

Just like the team he plays for in the NBA is and was miles better than the team he played for in the Olympics. :rolleyes

[SenorSpur]

This will undoubtedly justify Pop's excuse for the Spurs playoff failings. He probably figures that had Manu not been seriously injured, the Spurs would be sitting home now awaiting the conclusion of the ECF.

[rascal]

If the spurs can go back to game 1 --spurs vs grizzlies....healthy manu and bonner kept on the bench....duncan,blair,parker,manu,and even rj....spurs win game one and the series.....imagine manu with a healthy arm?manu would be beyond unstoppable....spurs can win the championship next yr with the same roster just put the right line up to fix the pieces .....if there is a nba season next yr....duncan,blair,parker,manu,hill.....than bench you have players like splitter,dice,gary neal,james anderson,de sean butler, rj,and etc etc...spurs are still contenders to me....to me parker doesn't want to be in SA another more for him to say that....it looked like he didn't have any emotion in that series

The spurs will not win a championship with the same roster.
The spurs were the 5th best team in the west. They would have lost to the Lakers, Dallas, and OKC and did lose to Memphis.

[rascal]

fucking phoenix suns eliminating us two years in a row, shit

Keep believing that and use the Manu injury excuse for the team's failure.
The season was lost when the spurs decided not to upgrade the frontline.

[lefty]

Why? Parker actually stays healthy.
That's because he plays like a faggot

[temujin]

December-January Spurs would have destroyed OKC and Mavs.
Actually, they did destroy them.

[beirmeistr]

manu and tp both did not drive enough

manu was out there so you can not blame the injury
if he was so hurt he should have been glued to the bench

no one hit outside shots so it hurt the driving game of both manu and tp


so you should get rid of those players


No need to get rid of both. One is a warrior. Get rid of the other one.

[MmP]

it's fun to see how some bash manu instead of actually thank him for virtually being the only guy trying and making it possible (game 5).

[spurtech09]

doubt manu would have been much better
yes he would of played better:downspin:

[spurtech09]

The spurs will not win a championship with the same roster.
The spurs were the 5th best team in the west. They would have lost to the Lakers, Dallas, and OKC and did lose to Memphis.
no I think they can beat those teams with the same roster...just put the right line up:lobt2:

[gilmor]

sand

You guys are fucking clueless.. SA is not about Tony, Manu or Duncan any more.. that era was long gone..

This team desperately need new blood..

So stop dissing on those 3 who were history..

[PublicOption]

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[Slippy]

Manu would have to be one of the most under-appreciated stars of the NBA. Then again his own fanbase appreciate him even less so it's no surprise. To discount him not playing game one or factor in the injury is further proof that some spurs fans still don't realise who they have in Manu. It requires a special talent and competitiveness to lay it all on the line like he did. To see him playing with no fear, not missing a beat was just amazing.

Despite the injury Manu was the Spur's best player. Watching the rest of the play-offs re-affirmed my view that he's in a select company of special players that raise their games to another level when they have to. Im talking about Nowitzki, Randolph, Wade, James, Rose and Kobe.

Losing to memphis was a missed opportunity that had me wondering what if? Mavs beating the thunder four to one just hammers it home. The conferance finals should of been spurs v mavs.