Gold Cup 2011 thread

[Phenomanul]

Pretty sure you weren't serious but I can actually understand this easily because the US is built on immigration. However, I can't understand fucks like Rossi. :flippoff that bitch.

Yeah... considering he grew up in the States... he would be a tide-turner for the NT...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's a fucking game. It's not like the countries are going to war. Apples and oranges.
Bullshit it's apples to oranges. If an American was at Mexico's stadium cheering for America during an America @ Mexico soccer game, he'd be lucky to leave with all of his limbs if America won. Lets not even pretend Mexico views a victory over America in soccer no different than a victory over other countries. The people I see who claim to be fans of Mexico's soccer team talk by far the most about Mexico's soccer team when Mexico is playing America. I never hear fans of Mexico's soccer team talk about how Mexico is gonna dominate Jamaica or Cuba. The victories they seem to care most about are victories over America.

[IronMaxipad]

Pretty sure you weren't serious but I can actually understand this easily because the US is built on immigration. However, I can't understand fucks like Rossi. :flippoff that bitch.

I wasn't. :lol

[Phenomanul]

You got me. People who use America for jobs, a better life, and an environment that doesn't have a 50% chance of being overrun by drug cartels should cheer for America. If Mexico was so much better than America, the Mexican soccer fans in America would live there.

Yes Mr. Stereotype... :lol Generalize much?

Who someone cheers for in a sporting event has little to do with Patriotism... not that I'd expect you to understand...

BTW the Mexican drug cartels are empowered by US consumers... the problem originates here... but of course, you seem to be blind to that supply/demand relationship as well... most anti-Mexican bigots are.... :wakeup

[IronMaxipad]

Bullshit it's apples to oranges. If an American was at Mexico's stadium cheering for America during an America @ Mexico soccer game, he'd be lucky to leave with all of his limbs if America won. Lets not even pretend Mexico views a victory over America in soccer no different than a victory over other countries. The people I see who claim to be fans of Mexico's soccer team talk by far the most about Mexico's soccer team when Mexico is playing America. I never hear fans of Mexico's soccer team talk about how Mexico is gonna dominate Jamaica or Cuba. The victories they seem to care most about are victories over America.

:lmao are we gonna keep feeding this dumbass? He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Troll Harder son. :lmao:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I see you can't deny anything I'm saying.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yes Mr. Stereotype... :lol Generalize much?

Who someone cheers for in a sporting event has little to do with Patriotism... not that I'd expect you to understand...

BTW the Mexican drug cartels are empowered by US consumers... the problem originates here... but of course, you seem to be blind to that supply/demand relationship as well... most anti-Mexican bigots are.... :wakeup
They're not empowered by US customers nearly as much as the US government keeping drugs illegal for no reason.

A crooked/stupid government doesn't deter me from cheering for the US's soccer team tbh.

[IronMaxipad]

"tbh i think we should just outright troll that soccer thread

lots of potential and we've only scratched the surface imho"

http://i.imgur.com/50Czg.jpg

[Phenomanul]

They're not empowered by US customers nearly as much as the US government keeping drugs illegal for no reason.

A crooked/stupid government doesn't deter me from cheering for the US's soccer team tbh.

Consumers pay up... it's the money that empowers those cartels (not our government)... don't be disingenuous... or is it that you've never really been confronted with that reality? :wakeup

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Consumers pay up... it's the money that empowers those cartels (not our government)... don't be disingenuous... or is it that you've never really been confronted with that reality? :wakeup
:lmao saying it's not the government. There are always gonna be drug addicts no matter what, the only way you could completely stop drug cartels is making all drugs legal so they can't be sold illegally at insane prices.

Last I checked, there's no drug cartels out there selling cigarettes.

[ElNono]

Not that disimilar to the all-mighty Messi [not mocking him as Leo is my favorite player and possibly will be the greatest ever when it's all said and done]... and really just for the sake of validating your argument that 11 goals in 45 NT caps somehow minimizes Dos Santos as a NT player...

Lionel Messi:
56 NT caps with Argentina, 17 goals...

extrapolating Dos Santos' 45 caps to 56 caps, puts him at 13.7 goals...

And how's this for kicks... again, just for number's sake...

Javier "Chicharito" Hernández:
29 NT caps with Mexico (late start with the NT, here only recently in Sept. 2009), 21 goals...

extrapolating Hernández's 29 caps to 56 caps, puts him at 40.6 goals... :wow

Which was exactly my point... if people rag on Messi and say his goalscoring with the Argentina NT has been pretty abysmal, yet he scores more than Gio, then how come Gio hasn't been nothing short of average? :lol

I already said Chicharrito is the real deal. If he had a skilled playmaker to feed him (ie: a guy like Xavi, or Pastore) he would look 10x better.

[Phenomanul]

Which was exactly my point... if people rag on Messi and say his goalscoring with the Argentina NT has been pretty abysmal, yet he scores more than Gio, then how come Gio hasn't been nothing short of average? :lol

I already said Chicharrito is the real deal. If he had a skilled playmaker to feed him (ie: a guy like Xavi, or Pastore) he would look 10x better.

It's because they play similar roles on the National Team as creators... Giovanni's assists weren't listed on Wiki, but the numbers would be pretty similar to Messi's...

I also brought out this comparison for a secondary reason... to show that Mexico's NT style better suits Dos Santos' game than the styles at the club teams he elected to play for after leaving Barcelona FC.... much like Barcelona's style better suits Messi's game than the style he's been forced into playing on his NT.

Demeriting Dos Santos because he hasn't exceled at club level, would be like saying Leo isn't great simply because he hasn't achieved much on the NT. It's a reflexive argument.

To me both players are great when thrust into a system that suits their game (obviously Leo is the world's greatest in this context).

So you can say you dislike Giovanni's game, and perhaps his 'attitude' (though I haven't seen enough of this behavior to suggest it's a chronic issue), but you can't really argue that he's a mediocre talent. At least not when you're basing it on subjective and circumstancial arguments more so than his performance on the pitch (when the game style caters to his forte)...

[ElNono]

It's because they play similar roles on the National Team as creators... Giovanni's assists weren't listed on Wiki, but the numbers would be pretty similar to Messi's...

I also brought out this comparison for a secondary reason... to show that Mexico's NT style better suits Dos Santos' game than the styles at the club teams he elected to play for after leaving Barcelona FC.... much like Barcelona's style better suits Messi's game than the style he's been forced into playing on his NT.

Demeriting Dos Santos because he hasn't exceled at club level, would be like saying Leo isn't great simply because he hasn't achieved much on the NT. It's a reflexive argument.

To me both players are great when thrust into a system that suits their game (obviously Leo is the world's greatest in this context).

So you can say you dislike his game, and perhaps his 'attitude' (though I haven't seen enough of this behavior to suggest it's a chronic issue), but you can't really argue that he's a mediocre talent. At least not when you're basing it on subjective and circumstancial arguments more so than his performance on the pitch (when the game style caters to his forte)...

Since when average = mediocre? :lol

And yes, it's an opinion. There's all sorts of subjectivity that go into it. Is there any other kind of opinion in soccer? :lol

[FkLA]

YOu can root for Mexico all you want, that doesn't cover up how much you obviously hate Mexico when you spics moved to America.

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[Phenomanul]

:lmao saying it's not the government. There are always gonna be drug addicts no matter what, the only way you could completely stop drug cartels is making all drugs legal so they can't be sold illegally at insane prices.

Last I checked, there's no drug cartels out there selling cigarettes.

Drug cartels also operate out of the Netherlands... last I checked all sorts of drugs were legal there...

Yes, the legality question is certainly an issue... but it shouldn't mask the accountability that you and others in this nation wish to disregard. LOL "there's always gonna be drug addicts..." that's a weak argument. The Government doesn't pay the cartels to keep them in power, only the money from the consumers' pockets can do that...

Face it... you've been justifying your hatred for Mexicans all these years using the wrong argument... just more sterotyping on your part... Just calling it like it is, you racist bigot.

What's worse is that I probably have a deeper understanding of what being an American represents, I probably embody more of it's ideals than you do... and know its history far better than you... it's a shame you feel I should be of Anglo descent to embrace that sentiment...

[Phenomanul]

Not that disimilar to the all-mighty Messi [not mocking him as Leo is my favorite player and possibly will be the greatest ever when it's all said and done]... and really just for the sake of validating your argument that 11 goals in 45 NT caps somehow minimizes Dos Santos as a NT player...

Lionel Messi:
56 NT caps with Argentina, 17 goals...

extrapolating Dos Santos' 45 caps to 56 caps, puts him at 13.7 goals...

And how's this for kicks... again, just for number's sake...

Javier "Chicharito" Hernández:
29 NT caps with Mexico (late start with the NT, here only recently in Sept. 2009), 21 goals...

extrapolating Hernández's 29 caps to 56 caps, puts him at 40.6 goals... :wow

Further still, pretty soon Chicharito will be the Mexican National Team's all-time greatest scorer (topping Borgetti's 46)... he hasn't even feasted on the CONCACAF yet (this was his first CONCACAF regional tournament - and the opposition was select [wait 'til he plays the likes of Martinique, St. Kitts, Guadaloupe, etc... :lol ])

[ElNono]

C:lolnc:lolc:lolf = F:lolcked

[DAF86]

I have to get into this tasty thread.

Mexicans, who would you rather beat on football: USA or Argentina?

[Sense]

Drug cartels also operate out of the Netherlands... last I checked all sorts of drugs were legal there...

Yes, the legality question is certainly an issue... but it shouldn't mask the accountability that you and others in this nation wish to disregard. LOL "there's always gonna be drug addicts..." that's a weak argument. The Government doesn't pay the cartels to keep them in power, only the money from the consumers' pockets can do that...

Face it... you've been justifying your hatred for Mexicans all these years using the wrong argument... just more sterotyping on your part... Just calling it like it is, you racist bigot.

What's worse is that I probably have a deeper understanding of what being an American represents, I probably embody more of it's ideals than you do... and know its history far better than you... it's a shame you feel I should be of Anglo descent to embrace that sentiment...


The last "paragraph" should be enough for the troll to delete his account, that's what I call owned.

[IronMaxipad]

I have to get into this tasty thread.

Mexicans, who would you rather beat on football: USA or Argentina?

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Argentina easily.

[DAF86]

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Argentina easily.

Serious, maybe the rivalry Mexico-USA in football was bigger than I expected it. Many times in sports fans prefer to beat their neighbours than anyboy else.

[Phenomanul]

I have to get into this tasty thread.

Mexicans, who would you rather beat on football: USA or Argentina?

Of late Argentina has had Mexico's number... especially in big tournament KO stages...

When one considers Mexico's head-to-head NT records versus other nations... Mexico has fared pretty well against most nations and obtained a winning record against most of them or drawn even with them... only a select few countries (only 6 :wow) have obtained winning records against the Mexican NT... and three of those 6 (Israel, Libya, and Luxembourg were due to a 1-game sample size, Australia also has a small sample size... only Brazil, and to a lesser extent, Spain, have shown consistent dominance in their record against the Mexican NT)... Mexico knocked France off that short list by beating them in last year's World Cup....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_national_football_team_record

Anyways, volume-wise Brazil has handed Mexico the most defeats (20) [though Mexico has finally thrown that monkey off its back of late... and doesn't fear them as much anymore] followed by the USA (15) and then Argentina (12).

So yeah... both Argentina and the US have been the proverbial "thorn on Mexico's side" over the last decade...

In that context it should follow that the satisfaction gained from victory would be about the same (even while many choose to throw political context into the mix - I don't)...

But given Argentina's class, there is more satisfaction when Argentina is beat...

edit: 6 nations (I originally left off Spain)

[Sense]

I have to get into this tasty thread.

Mexicans, who would you rather beat on football: USA or Argentina?

Argentina without a doubt...


We know we can beat the U.S., and they're really nowhere near Argentina in terms of skill (obv.).

The fact that we've played better then Argentina in some games and still managed to lose them,makes me even want to beat them more.

[Axe Murderer]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

beating the US in a sport they suck at, is second only to free Taco Bell for a year for these wetbacks

lol denying it

[ElNono]

Why would mexicans go to taco bell? Wouldn't they just stay home if they wanted mexican?

[scott]

I call BS on Mexicans would rather beat Argentina. The only circumstance that would be true would be in the World Cup, in which case as a US fan I'd rather see the US beat (insert whoever we are playing) over beating Mexico in the Gold Cup.

Mexico beating Argentina in a friendly is nowhere near as important as losing to the US in a WCQ or Gold Cup.

Beating Argentina in a friendly might be better than beating the US in a friendly - but the US and Mexico usually play each other in 3 or 4 meaningful games each cycle (depending if the side playing in the Confederations Cup bothers to send a real team to the Gold Cup before the World Cup), and I venture to say those are bigger than any friendly that either side might play. Thoughts, El Tri fans?

[scott]

As a US fan, I'd say beating Spain in the '09 Confederations Cup was about equal to what beating Mexico in a beginning of cycle Gold Cup final would be.

[Vici]

It's a fucking game. It's not like the countries are going to war. Apples and oranges.

Of course it's a game, but why would you ever root against your own country? That's probably why so many Americans are racist against Mexican Immigrants because they don't assimilate. Same reason so many people hate guidos in New York because they don't assimilate. They aren't really Italian but they'd pick Italy over the U.S. anyday for any reason.

I remember a while back when people were protesting something immigration related, the protestors were flying Mexico's flag. It's the same thing and I don't get it.

[SAtown]

I grew up watching Monterrey, going to games while visiting my family (who ALL live in Mexico), being absolutely devastated for the first time in my life after the Bulgaria game in 94, going insane after the "Si se puede" games vs Belgium and Holland in 98, then being 1-0 up on Germany with 30 minutes left. I watch every single Mexico game, friendly or WC, wherever I may be in the world. I've done it since I can remember

And now all of a sudden I'm supposed to change all of that and root for the USA because NOW this fucking country is starting to like soccer? Don't fucking think so

[Sense]

I call BS on Mexicans would rather beat Argentina. The only circumstance that would be true would be in the World Cup, in which case as a US fan I'd rather see the US beat (insert whoever we are playing) over beating Mexico in the Gold Cup.

Mexico beating Argentina in a friendly is nowhere near as important as losing to the US in a WCQ or Gold Cup.

Beating Argentina in a friendly might be better than beating the US in a friendly - but the US and Mexico usually play each other in 3 or 4 meaningful games each cycle (depending if the side playing in the Confederations Cup bothers to send a real team to the Gold Cup before the World Cup), and I venture to say those are bigger than any friendly that either side might play. Thoughts, El Tri fans?


It really has nothing to do with the final match or a friendly concept of it.

The truth is, since 2008, Mexico has had the tools to beat the U.S., the managers have just done a horrible job of putting the pieces together.. until now. The team still has a lot to work on, but given that we have given Argentina troubles in the past, and teams like Brazil.. I would much rather have a win against either of those teams than a gold cup finals win against the U.S.

Anyone who knows anyone about soccer would've predicted Mexico to win Saturday... It was really an easy pick, and although they struggled to score the first couple of minutes and the US capitalized on it.. they were still the better team and they proved it.

I can't say Mexico is better than Argentina and Brazil for obvious reasons, but I know this team has what it takes to be on their level... or close to it.

Beating them would be the only way to find out.. beating the U.S. however, would prove what we already know.

[Sense]

I grew up watching Monterrey, going to games while visiting my family (who ALL live in Mexico), being absolutely devastated for the first time in my life after the Bulgaria game in 94, going insane after the "Si se puede" games vs Belgium and Holland in 98, then being 1-0 up on Germany with 30 minutes left. I watch every single Mexico game, friendly or WC, wherever I may be in the world. I've done it since I can remember

And now all of a sudden I'm supposed to change all of that and root for the USA because NOW this fucking country is starting to like soccer? Don't fucking think so

:toast

[IronMaxipad]

I grew up watching Monterrey, going to games while visiting my family (who ALL live in Mexico), being absolutely devastated for the first time in my life after the Bulgaria game in 94, going insane after the "Si se puede" games vs Belgium and Holland in 98, then being 1-0 up on Germany with 30 minutes left. I watch every single Mexico game, friendly or WC, wherever I may be in the world. I've done it since I can remember

And now all of a sudden I'm supposed to change all of that and root for the USA because NOW this fucking country is starting to like soccer? Don't fucking think so

:toast

Now look at what this bitch says right after the US lost in this very thread
Don't think anyone cares. That's why it's the 5th most popular sport in the U.S.
Talk about frontrunner
:lmao

[Axe Murderer]

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

[Vici]

:toast

Now look at what this bitch says right after the US lost in this very thread
Talk about frontrunner
:lmao


I don't care. The only reason I watched is because there is absolutely nothing else on. I'd rather watch NFL europe but that doesn't exist anymore so...

I just don't understand how Americans can root for a different team. Then again maybe it's because I love my country.

[ElNono]

I know quite a few Brit descendants that root first and foremost for the UK too... As generations go by those ties end up fading away though...

[IronMaxipad]

I don't care. The only reason I watched is because there is absolutely nothing else on. I'd rather watch NFL europe but that doesn't exist anymore so...

I just don't understand how Americans can root for a different team. Then again maybe it's because I love my country.

http://i.imgur.com/I96i4.jpg

[Sense]

I know quite a few Brit descendants that root first and foremost for the UK too... As generations go by those ties end up fading away though...

That would never happen with Mexico.

[jag]

That would never happen with Mexico.

But don't you think it should? That's not their home country. In time, it'll end up not even being their parents' home country.

It's only natural to develop a certain loyalty to the country where you've been raised. Especially if the liberties and freedoms of that country have afforded you opportunities to be successful. Opportunities that certainly wouldn't be available in many other countries, namely Mexico.

You don't have to kiss the Great Seal every morning, but it's puzzling to see people who live, work and reap all the benefits of the US fly Mexican flags and show little to no respect towards the US.

There's a certain pride that comes with watching "your" country's team beat an opposing country's team. So it's disingenuous, at best, for Mexican fans to claim this was simply a soccer game. It was seemingly the Big Bad USA getting pummeled by lowly Mexico.

There's an overt and inveterate hatred between fans of El Tri and the US soccer team. And it has little to do with soccer.

[ElNono]

You have to remember that a few vatos are set to only be here temporarily. They come to make their money and they're going back after X amount of time to seemingly live like kings back in Mexico. Some mexicans do it every winter, some do it after 5-10 years, others after 10-20 years.

There's obviously a good chunk that does stay, and those are normally the ones that end up embracing the US culture, especially as generations go by.

[jag]

You have to remember that a few vatos are set to only be here temporarily. They come to make their money and they're going back after X amount of time to seemingly live like kings back in Mexico. Some mexicans do it every winter, some do it after 5-10 years, others after 10-20 years.

There's obviously a good chunk that does stay, and those are normally the ones that end up embracing the US culture, especially as generations go by.

It just seems like Mexicans, more so than immigrants from other countries, don't want to embrace US culture. They love everything about the US, except for the US. I never quite understood that.

[Axe Murderer]

tbh i remember when I was 10 and I thought it was cool to root against my own country in sports they sucked in

then i grew some common sense

[Sense]

But don't you think it should? That's not their home country. In time, it'll end up not even being their parents' home country.

It's only natural to develop a certain loyalty to the country where you've been raised. Especially if the liberties and freedoms of that country have afforded you opportunities to be successful. Opportunities that certainly wouldn't be available in many other countries, namely Mexico.

You don't have to kiss the Great Seal every morning, but it's puzzling to see people who live, work and reap all the benefits of the US fly Mexican flags and show little to no respect towards the US.

There's a certain pride that comes with watching "your" country's team beat an opposing country's team. So it's disingenuous, at best, for Mexican fans to claim this was simply a soccer game. It was seemingly the Big Bad USA getting pummeled by lowly Mexico.

There's an overt and inveterate hatred between fans of El Tri and the US soccer team. And it has little to do with soccer.

What you don't seem to understand it, rooting for the Mexican NT is kind of part of our heritage. It might sound stupid and I really don't expect you to understand, for obvious reasons... but there is a huge difference in the way Americans and Mexicans see soccer. I was raised watching soccer from ever since I can remember, and throughout my life I've been a huge fan of this Mexican squad. Why should I change it now? Because you tell me I'm supposed to or I'm not being loyal to my country? What the fuck kind of bullshit argument is that?

What the fuck does rooting for the Mexican soccer team have anything to do with the loyalty I have for this country? That's just plain ridiculous.

There's Anglo Americans as it is that don't even bother watching American games, are you trying to blame us for the USMNT's failure?

I don't understand the whole issue behind me rooting for the Mexican team, being that I'm Mexican... or any Hispanic for that matter.

[Dinamita]

But don't you think it should? That's not their home country. In time, it'll end up not even being their parents' home country.

It's only natural to develop a certain loyalty to the country where you've been raised. Especially if the liberties and freedoms of that country have afforded you opportunities to be successful. Opportunities that certainly wouldn't be available in many other countries, namely Mexico.

You don't have to kiss the Great Seal every morning, but it's puzzling to see people who live, work and reap all the benefits of the US fly Mexican flags and show little to no respect towards the US.

There's a certain pride that comes with watching "your" country's team beat an opposing country's team. So it's disingenuous, at best, for Mexican fans to claim this was simply a soccer game. It was seemingly the Big Bad USA getting pummeled by lowly Mexico.

There's an overt and inveterate hatred between fans of El Tri and the US soccer team. And it has little to do with soccer.

Look faggot We pay our taxes, what's the problem? this is nothing more than a soccer game. The only people that think otherwise are US fans who get butthurt that they can't get more fans to support soccer. why don't you guys ever go after Americans who's favorite team is Brasil, or Argentina? It's always Mexicans you faggots go after when theres anglo americans out there how don't root for team USA either. How about the US fan group Sam's army with who go to games chanting "Mow My Lawn" you expect us to support that shit? gtfo. You guys don't realize that you're only further alienating yourselves with shit like that. How many times was Spick thrown around in this very thread?
Lowly Mexico beating Big Bad USA? Mexico has Pummled USA 35 times now while US has only done it what 15 times? So maybe you have it the other way around.

[Sense]

It just seems like Mexicans, more so than immigrants from other countries, don't want to embrace US culture. They love everything about the US, except for the US. I never quite understood that.


There are many reasons for that, and they're more political than anything...

It has a lot to do with immigration laws, racism.. etc.

Just the way it is...

For that to change, Americans would have to do some change, and we all know that will never happen.

[Sense]

You have to remember that a few vatos are set to only be here temporarily. They come to make their money and they're going back after X amount of time to seemingly live like kings back in Mexico. Some mexicans do it every winter, some do it after 5-10 years, others after 10-20 years.

There's obviously a good chunk that does stay, and those are normally the ones that end up embracing the US culture, especially as generations go by.

Most of my friends, Latinos of course.. born and raised in the U.S. with parents who were born and raised in the U.S. were cheering for Mexico on Saturday.
Most of these people will more than likely have kids who will also cheer for Mexico, it's going to happen.. that doesn't mean they won't embrace what they have in the U.S. or that they're not loyal to the U.S. . Most of them are going to college or have already developed a career, are good citizens, and just good Americans over all.. cheering for something that has been part of their heritage doesn't mean they don't appreciate what they have now. Not rooting for Donovan or Clint won't make them bad Americans in any way, that's just ridiculous to even mention.

[jag]

What you don't seem to understand it, rooting for the Mexican NT is kind of part of our heritage. It might sound stupid and I really don't expect you to understand, for obvious reasons... but there is a huge difference in the way Americans and Mexicans see soccer. I was raised watching soccer from ever since I can remember, and throughout my life I've been a huge fan of this Mexican squad. Why should I change it now? Because you tell me I'm supposed to or I'm not being loyal to my country? What the fuck kind of bullshit argument is that?

What the fuck does rooting for the Mexican soccer team have anything to do with the loyalty I have for this country? That's just plain ridiculous.

There's Anglo Americans as it is that don't even bother watching American games, are you trying to blame us for the USMNT's failure?

I don't understand the whole issue behind me rooting for the Mexican team, being that I'm Mexican... or any Hispanic for that matter.



I don't know where you were born or raised, or what type of culture you grew up with. And i'm certainly not asking you, or telling you that you should change who you root for. It just seems that, over time, people born and raised in the US wouldn't need to be asked to root for the US.

You seem to identify with Mexican culture and how Mexican's view their Soccer team. It's part of Mexican heritage. It's a source of pride. Yet you claim it's only soccer.

[IronMaxipad]

I'm gonna give up eating tacos now and conform to _JaG's society it's the only way. :depressed

[jag]

I'm gonna give up eating tacos now and conform to _JaG's society it's the only way. :depressed

I wasn't aware that Tacos cause American citizens to root against US national teams.

[IronMaxipad]

It's mexican culture therfore = bad :depressed

[IronMaxipad]

Look faggot We pay our taxes, what's the problem? this is nothing more than a soccer game. The only people that think otherwise are US fans who get butthurt that they can't get more fans to support soccer. why don't you guys ever go after Americans who's favorite team is Brasil, or Argentina? It's always Mexicans you faggots go after when theres anglo americans out there how don't root for team USA either. How about the US fan group Sam's army with who go to games chanting "Mow My Lawn" you expect us to support that shit? gtfo. You guys don't realize that you're only further alienating yourselves with shit like that. How many times was Spick thrown around in this very thread?
Lowly Mexico beating Big Bad USA? Mexico has Pummled USA 35 times now while US has only done it what 15 times? So maybe you have it the other way around.

:toast

[Sense]

I don't know where you were born or raised, or what type of culture you grew up with. And i'm certainly not asking you, or telling you that you should change who you root for. It just seems that, over time, people born and raised in the US wouldn't need to be asked to root for the US.

You seem to identify with Mexican culture and how Mexican's view their Soccer team. It's part of Mexican heritage. It's a source of pride. Yet you claim it's only soccer.


Don't you think being able to cheer for whoever you want is part of being an American? You should celebrate that rather than trying to question. I do think it's only soccer, but like I've said.. I've been doing this for a very long time, and it's really not going to change, nor will it change for Hispanics who were born here. Reacting the way you are reacting really makes me not want to root for the U.S. even more..

You are obviously not the first to "complain" about this and not understand it.. most people throw out racist remarks when they do... just look around this thread. I don't know if you're white, black, or what... if you're not Latino or Hispanic, you probably won't understand why we do it.. and if you're Latino, then something's wrong with you if you don't understand.

Like I just said there are a lot of things that don't really go our way in this country.. like the racism, the immigration laws that keep popping out... and although I understand it... it makes some Latinos not root for the U.S., sometimes it's things like these.. when I'm really being told to root for the U.S. or I'm not loyal..

These are things that are never going to go away..

[Axe Murderer]

Look faggot We pay our taxes, what's the problem? this is nothing more than a soccer game. The only people that think otherwise are US fans who get butthurt that they can't get more fans to support soccer. why don't you guys ever go after Americans who's favorite team is Brasil, or Argentina? It's always Mexicans you faggots go after when theres anglo americans out there how don't root for team USA either. How about the US fan group Sam's army with who go to games chanting "Mow My Lawn" you expect us to support that shit? gtfo. You guys don't realize that you're only further alienating yourselves with shit like that. How many times was Spick thrown around in this very thread?
Lowly Mexico beating Big Bad USA? Mexico has Pummled USA 35 times now while US has only done it what 15 times? So maybe you have it the other way around.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

you call us butthurt while posting this?

[Spurstro]

I'm an American....born 20 minutes from the border. I'm Hispanic and I will NEVER root for Mexico when they play the U.S, yet I fully understand why someone else like me will NEVER root for the U.S. and support Mexico instead.

It is what it is _JaG. If you don't understand it, there's nothing wrong with that.

[jag]

Don't you think being able to cheer for whoever you want is part of being an American? You should celebrate that rather than trying to question. I do think it's only soccer, but like I've said.. I've been doing this for a very long time, and it's really not going to change, nor will it change for Hispanics who were born here. Reacting the way you are reacting really makes me not want to root for the U.S. even more..

You are obviously not the first to "complain" about this and not understand it.. most people throw out racist remarks when they do... just look around this thread. I don't know if you're white, black, or what... if you're not Latino or Hispanic, you probably won't understand why we do it.. and if you're Latino, then something's wrong with you if you don't understand.

Like I just said there are a lot of things that don't really go our way in this country.. like the racism, the immigration laws that keep popping out... and although I understand it... it makes some Latinos not root for the U.S., sometimes it's things like these.. when I'm really being told to root for the U.S. or I'm not loyal..

These are things that are never going to go away..

You already said you don't want to root for the US so i'm not sure it matters how I react to that. Are you going to not root for them even more? Are you going to frown harder when the US scores? I think you're confused. I'm not telling you to root for the US. How can I force something that should happen on its own?

You say it's only about soccer, and then you begin talking about immigration laws that make Mexicans root against the US. With Mexicans it's not just about soccer, it's about pride, especially when it comes to playing the US. It seems that you're not just happy for the Mexican soccer team to win. You take pride in seeing Mexico beat the US. That's fine. But don't be surprised when fellow Americans are bothered by you rooting against the US. And when Mexican parents try to raise their kids to root for a country they've never been to.

[jag]

I'm an American....born 20 minutes from the border. I'm Hispanic and I will NEVER root for Mexico when they play the U.S, yet I fully understand why someone else like me will NEVER root for the U.S. and support Mexico instead.

It is what it is _JaG. If you don't understand it, there's nothing wrong with that.

I lived in San Antonio from the age of 5 to high school. I understand why things are the way they are. But I also think there's more to it than soccer.

[Sense]

You already said you don't want to root for the US so i'm not sure it matters how I react to that. Are you going to not root for them even more? Are you going to frown harder when the US scores? I think you're confused. I'm not telling you to root for the US. How can I force something that should happen on it's own?

You say it's only about soccer, and then you begin talking about immigration laws that make Mexicans root against the US. With Mexicans it's not just about soccer, it's about pride, especially when it comes to playing the US. It seems that you're not just happy for the Mexican soccer team to win. You take pride in seeing Mexico beat the US. That's fine. But don't be surprised when fellow Americans are bothered by you rooting against the US. And when Mexican parents try to raise their kids to root for a country they've never been to.

Why should it happen on it's own?

When I say Immigration laws, racism, I never say this is how I feel... but I know this is how some Hispanics feel.. what I do know for a fact though is that, the majority of the people rooting for Mexico, do it because they feel it's a better team and it's full of passion, not because they hate the U.S. I really don't take pride in Mexico beating the U.S. (for the what? 4th time?), if anything I just like to brag about it to fans like Worlds_Finest and Scott, and who were talking shit prior to the game and have been for quite a while before this game, and I don't know if you know this but I'm a fan of the Mexican NT. I'm no different than a San Antonio resident cheering for the Lakers against the Spurs. I say people like you make me not want to cheer for the U.S. because of the aftermath of the game, people telling us we SHOULD root for the U.S., Go back to Mexico, go mow my lawn spic, the only thing Mexicans are good at...

Really? You really think "pride" would want me to join these "fans" and the U.S. soccer team?

[Spurstro]

I lived in San Antonio from the age of 5 to high school. I understand why things are the way they are. But I also think there's more to it than soccer.

Fair enough...I guess I'm just a little confused reading you and Sense go back and forth.

[Dinamita]

Some of you seem to assume that we only root for Mexico when they play the US when that's not the case. We root for them agaisn't any team they play. If i root for Mexico to beat Brasil that's more than about soccer? If you truly think that you're an idiot sorry. Most of us grew up watching Mexican national team since we were young that's the team we grew up watching. Did you guys even know soccer existed back then? :lol. As far as i remember no one gave a damn about soccer in this country and many still don't. What if i told you to go root for the Lakers instead of the spurs. Or how do you feel about people that weren't born in San Antonio that root for the spurs? It's nothing more than a rivalry and at the end of the day it's nothing more than a sport.

[jag]

Really? You really think "pride" would want me to join these "fans" and the U.S. soccer team?

No, because i'm not sure how your Mexican pride would lead you to rooting for the US.

[Sense]

No, because i'm not sure how your Mexican pride would lead you to rooting for the US.

I'm saying as far as listening to these idiots, who are obviously referring to me, calling me all these things and telling me I should be rooting for the U.S., do you really expect me to listen to them?

[jag]

Some of you seem to assume that we only root for Mexico when they play the US when that's not the case. We root for them agaisn't any team they play.

Of course you do. That was obvious after your first post. Because you love Mexico and identify with its culture. You're more than free to feel that way.

[jag]

I'm saying as far as listening to these idiots, who are obviously referring to me, calling me all these things and telling me I should be rooting for the U.S., do you really expect me to listen to them?

People probably think you should root for the US. And I don't think it's unreasonable for an American to think another American should root for the US.

It makes no sense to try to convert someone though. You can't convince someone to have genuine ties to the national team of a particular country.

[Sense]

People probably think you should root for the US. And I don't think it's unreasonable for an American to think another American should root for the US.

It makes no sense to try to convert someone though. You can't convince someone to have genuine ties to the national team of a particular country.


I think it's unreasonable... when it's the same people who are calling me a beaner, spic, telling me to mow their lawn.. etc.

If the fans weren't this racist though, you can bet anything I would also root for the U.S.

[Axe Murderer]

Some of you seem to assume that we only root for Mexico when they play the US when that's not the case. We root for them agaisn't any team they play. If i root for Mexico to beat Brasil that's more than about soccer? If you truly think that you're an idiot sorry. Most of us grew up watching Mexican national team since we were young that's the team we grew up watching. Did you guys even know soccer existed back then? :lol. As far as i remember no one gave a damn about soccer in this country and many still don't. What if i told you to go root for the Lakers instead of the spurs. Or how do you feel about people that weren't born in San Antonio that root for the spurs? It's nothing more than a rivalry and at the end of the day it's nothing more than a sport.

lol comparing different cities to different countries

[MannyIsGod]

Its so fucking stupid when people try to say that Mexicans aren't assimilating more than anyone else before. Its the same xenophobic shit you've heard every fucking generation directed that the predominant immigrants of the time.

Its a fucking soccer game. Why can't you people just let other people root for who they want to. You would probably talk shit to a Mexican member of the military if they were rooting for the MNT.

God damn, enjoy the team you want and STFU.

[Sense]

Just think of it this way... most Americans don't support the USMNT, they really don't care for it... include us in that discussion, we just have another team we actually care for. That's all there is to it... there's nothing behind it.

[MannyIsGod]

I think it's unreasonable... when it's the same people who are calling me a beaner, spic, telling me to mow their lawn.. etc.

If the fans weren't this racist though, you can bet anything I would also root for the U.S.

Don't act like Mexico fans don't do fucked up shit too. MOST fans are fucking normal its just a handful of fuckups (and in this forum trolls) who can't stand that other people don't think the way they do. Fucking ingrates.

It really pisses me off because I like both teams but obviously I'm a USMNT fan first yet when I here these fucks spew racist bullshit it makes me really hate them.

[Sense]

Don't act like Mexico fans don't do fucked up shit too. MOST fans are fucking normal its just a handful of fuckups (and in this forum trolls) who can't stand that other people don't think the way they do. Fucking ingrates.

It really pisses me off because I like both teams but obviously I'm a USMNT fan first yet when I here these fucks spew racist bullshit it makes me really hate them.

Oh I know there's assholes on both sides, it's just sickening to see all the racism come out after Mexico beats the US in a game.. even from non US fans..

[jag]

I think it's unreasonable... when it's the same people who are calling me a beaner, spic, telling me to mow their lawn.. etc.

If the fans weren't this racist though, you can bet anything I would also root for the U.S.

You wouldn't be rooting for those people. You'd be rooting for the country you were born and raised in.

[Sense]

You wouldn't be rooting for those people. You'd be rooting for the country you were born and raised in.

No, I'd be rooting or a soccer team.

[jag]

No, I'd be rooting or a soccer team.

Then politics shouldn't play a role.

[FkLA]

That would never happen with Mexico.

I dont like that it does but tbh it does happen with Mexicans. Most 3rd/4th+ generation Mexicans here in San Antonio could care less about anything Mexico related. For a predominately Hispanic town theres alot of racist insults thrown at 1st/2nd generation Mexicans. All these niggas' grandparents and great-grandparents must be rolling over in their graves.


You have to remember that a few vatos are set to only be here temporarily. They come to make their money and they're going back after X amount of time to seemingly live like kings back in Mexico. Some mexicans do it every winter, some do it after 5-10 years, others after 10-20 years.

There's obviously a good chunk that does stay, and those are normally the ones that end up embracing the US culture, especially as generations go by.

To feed their families, not to live like kings. From where Im from sons and fathers rotate, working for 1-2 yrs at a time while the others stay back home. Its pretty sad actually you have 14-15 yr olds, not only moving out but coming to a new country to carry the burden of supporting an entire family back home.

[Dinamita]

Of course you do. That was obvious after your first post. Because you love Mexico and identify with its culture. You're more than free to feel that way.

tbh, is Jag even a fan of the USMNT? He has 0 post in the USMNT thread and his only post in here is him questioning peoples fan hood.

[jag]

tbh, is Jag even a fan of the USMNT? He has 0 post in the USMNT thread and his only post in here is him questioning peoples fan hood.

No, I'm not a fan of the US national team and don't follow them. I don't watch their games or keep up with their players. You should know this by counting the number of posts i have in this thread.

[Dinamita]

I counted 12 and they have nothing to do with the USMNT. tbh

figures. :lmao

[scott]

My opinion in that if you grew up in San Antonio and LA and are of Mexican heritage, then you have the right to root for Mexico. But if your family is like mine, and has been in Texas since it was part of Mexico or you're a 7th generation American (in other words, you've been Americans a long time) then you should also root for the US. (Same is true of the other half of my heritage... my German family has been in the US even longer).

If you are 1st generation American, then I give you leniency for Mexico being your number 1 team. After that, then I think you are the same as a Laker fan born and raised in San Antonio.

It doesn't mean I think you are a lesser person... just a bandwagon dipshit :)

[Spurstro]

It doesn't mean I think you are a lesser person... just a bandwagon dipshit :)


What bandwagon are you talking about? Mexico isn't exactly a powerhouse.

[ALVAREZ6]

lol oohhhh man, interesting convo, sort of.

I have some friends that have actually discussed some similar things with me, and I gotta say it seems people simply can't always understand the other point of view. Some of my more random/distant friends have been surprised to hear me talk about supporting Argentina during whatever given competition is going on, especially when facing the US. I was born in Argentina, only my nuclear family lives in the US, and I've grown up practically all my life in the US, but I always will support the Argentine national team because that's just the way it's been. A lot of Americans that I've talked to seem to create their own political implications, when there really are none; they may just read way more into it for their own good.

I enjoy living in the US and support many things about the country, but I identify more with Argentinian culture overall and that has been true all of my life and when it comes to sports, I will always support Argentina before the US.

[scott]

What bandwagon are you talking about? Mexico isn't exactly a powerhouse.

Shit, to some of Mexico fans I run into you'd think they've won every World Cup since inception. (These are typically the ones who've never been to Mexico, but their last name is Lopez so they are all about El Tri)

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Look faggot We pay our taxes
:lmao I call bullshit on det one

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What you don't seem to understand it, rooting for the Mexican NT is kind of part of our heritage.
If your heritage was so important, you'd still live in Mexico.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There are many reasons for that, and they're more political than anything...

It has a lot to do with immigration laws, racism.. etc.

Just the way it is...

For that to change, Americans would have to do some change, and we all know that will never happen.
:lmao so let me get this straight? America has to adopt to Mexican culture before Mexicans embrace America? That's the most fucktarded sense of entitlement I've ever seen. When my ancestors came here as Jewish immigrants, they woulda gotten laughed at and shat on with that attitude.

Every race in America has a hazing period. The hazing period for Mexicans woulda been over for years if Mexicans learned English, didn't have a blatant disregard for the law, and didn't waive spic flags around like you still live in Mexico.

[Axe Murderer]

:cry the US is so mean to us, yet we're not gonna move out because they're a much better country :cry but fuck them anyways!!!!!!!!:cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cry fuck those big meanies in America :cry I hate them so much I'm gonna move from the great land of Mexico to that shithole they call America :cry

[FkLA]

:lmao so let me get this straight? America has to adopt to Mexican culture before Mexicans embrace America? That's the most fucktarded sense of entitlement I've ever seen. When my ancestors came here as Jewish immigrants, they woulda gotten laughed at and shat on with that attitude.

Every race in America has a hazing period. The hazing period for Mexicans woulda been over for years if Mexicans learned English, didn't have a blatant disregard for the law, and didn't waive spic flags around like you still live in Mexico.

There's a transition period you retarded Jew. You cant expect Mexicans to immigrate and immediately lose their Mexican identity, embrace America, and consider themselves Americans overnight. Or even their children or grandchildren for that matter. Especially with racist fucks like you who are sadly still prevalent in this country.

You do see Mexicans losing their Mexican identity and considering themselves Americans 3-4 generations down the line though. And thats how its been with most immigrants, not just Mexicans.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Jews were fluent in English and fully integrated into American culture by the 2nd generation. Why the fuck do Mexicans take so long? If you go from Mexico to America, doesn't that mean you want to be American?

[Landon Donofag]

:lmao so let me get this straight? America has to adopt to Mexican culture before Mexicans embrace America? That's the most fucktarded sense of entitlement I've ever seen. When my ancestors came here as Jewish immigrants, they woulda gotten laughed at and shat on with that attitude.

Every race in America has a hazing period. The hazing period for Mexicans woulda been over for years if Mexicans learned English, didn't have a blatant disregard for the law, and didn't waive spic flags around like you still live in Mexico.

Preach on my jewish nigga! I also hate all those fucking ######s crying over racism on the daily ya feel?! Ya niggas don't like it you can swim yo azz back to africa.

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[Landon Donofag]

Jews were fluent in English and fully integrated into American culture by the 2nd generation. Why the fuck do Mexicans take so long? If you go from Mexico to America, doesn't that mean you want to be American?

Word up my long nosed nigga! :toast

[Landon Donofag]

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[FkLA]

Jews were fluent in English and fully integrated into American culture by the 2nd generation. Why the fuck do Mexicans take so long? If you go from Mexico to America, doesn't that mean you want to be American?

So are the children of Mexican immigrants idiot, its not like these kids go to school and refuse to learn English. Most of them are fluent, its the older Mexican immigrants that struggle to learn the language. Just like any other older person struggles to learn a new language.

And sure, but that doesnt mean you have to abandon your Mexican identity. That hazing period you mentioned were racist fucks like you discriminate is the reason its a transition though, its hard to immediately embrace a country that doesnt fully accept you.

[Landon Donofag]

Yo my Nigga DOK! which one of these iz you dawg?

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[Axe Murderer]

So are the children of Mexican immigrants idiot, its not like these kids go to school and refuse to learn English. Most of them are fluent, its the older Mexican immigrants that struggle to learn the language. Just like any other older person struggles to learn a new language.

And sure, but that doesnt mean you have to abandon your Mexican identity. That hazing period you mentioned were racist fucks like you discriminate is the reason its a transition though, its hard to immediately embrace a country that doesnt fully accept you.

tbh if I were to move to Denmark tomorrow, live under their government, use their benefits, etc I'm rooting for them right away over the US.

Sure, the US will always be my second favorite team but not over the actual fucking country i live in

[Landon Donofag]

:cry the US is so mean to us, yet we're not gonna move out because they're a much better country :cry but fuck them anyways!!!!!!!!:cry

Yo DAWG Protect Yo Boyfriend!

[Landon Donofag]

tbh if I were to move to Denmark tomorrow, live under their government, use their benefits, etc I'm rooting for them right away over the US.

Sure, the US will always be my second favorite team but not over the actual fucking country i live in

Touching story :cry:cry:cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol this Landon troll is really angry about something

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So are the children of Mexican immigrants idiot, its not like these kids go to school and refuse to learn English.
At my high school plenty of them did.

[Landon Donofag]

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[DAF86]

tbh if I were to move to Denmark tomorrow, live under their government, use their benefits, etc I'm rooting for them right away over the US.

Sure, the US will always be my second favorite team but not over the actual fucking country i live in

:lol

[ALVAREZ6]

tbh if I were to move to Denmark tomorrow, live under their government, use their benefits, etc I'm rooting for them right away over the US.

Sure, the US will always be my second favorite team but not over the actual fucking country i live in

:lol

I call bullshit, and it isn't really a big deal. You don't know shit because you don't want to know shit... if you were living in another country temporarily, you would still root for the US in sports (yes, just sporting competitions, not war :lmao) because that's where your original home is, the teams you always rooted for are the same. With your attitude, you likely will never find out for sure as you'll likely spend your entire life in the US, which is understandable, you have no reason to leave. Don't act like if you get a huge raise and promotion at your international corporation to temporarily live in England, that you would abandon your traditions and begin supporting England in sports.

With your logic, you should only follow leagues within your country, so tbh no one in Europe or elsewhere should be following any American league.

:cry :cry but I live under their government :cry :cry I receive their benefits :cry :cry now I have to be a supporter of all their sports teams (lol sports) and forget about my past teams :cry :cry

-No one really does this...















I don't get what's so complicated to understand how absurd it is....but ....the actual fucking country i live in, come on!!! :cry It's the actual fucking country that I live in!!!!!

[ElNono]

Oh I know there's assholes on both sides

lol Gio :lol

[ElNono]

tbh if I were to move to Denmark tomorrow, live under their government, use their benefits, etc I'm rooting for them right away over the US.

Sure, the US will always be my second favorite team but not over the actual fucking country i live in

tbh, if I moved to Miami I would instantly root for Lebron :cry :cry :cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol

I call bullshit, and it isn't really a big deal. You don't know shit because you don't want to know shit... if you were living in another country temporarily, you would still root for the US in sports (yes, just sporting competitions, not war :lmao) because that's where your original home is, the teams you always rooted for are the same. With your attitude, you likely will never find out for sure as you'll likely spend your entire life in the US, which is understandable, you have no reason to leave. Don't act like if you get a huge raise and promotion at your international corporation to temporarily live in England, that you would abandon your traditions and begin supporting England in sports.

With your logic, you should only follow leagues within your country, so tbh no one in Europe or elsewhere should be following any American league.

:cry :cry but I live under their government :cry :cry I receive their benefits :cry :cry now I have to be a supporter of all their sports teams (lol sports) and forget about my past teams :cry :cry

-No one really does this...















I don't get what's so complicated to understand how absurd it is....but ....the actual fucking country i live in, come on!!! :cry It's the actual fucking country that I live in!!!!!
Do you think if there was ever an Argentina vs. Germany WC championship that Germany could pay them to intentionally lose the game?

[ALVAREZ6]

:cry :cry but I receive benefits! :cry :cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

receiving benefits > harboring Nazis tbh

ALVABEANER6 = nazi lover

[rascal]

No, because i'm not sure how your Mexican pride would lead you to rooting for the US.

I lived in the US all my life and I root against them in soccer.
They usually stink it up anyways.
Most Americans don't deserve the US winning because so few in the US even care about soccer.

[Landon Donofag]

receiving benefits > harboring Nazis tbh

ALVABEANER6 = nazi lover

Will someone stick this jew in an oven already? :lmao

[Axe Murderer]

:lol

I call bullshit, and it isn't really a big deal. You don't know shit because you don't want to know shit... if you were living in another country temporarily, you would still root for the US in sports (yes, just sporting competitions, not war :lmao) because that's where your original home is, the teams you always rooted for are the same. With your attitude, you likely will never find out for sure as you'll likely spend your entire life in the US, which is understandable, you have no reason to leave. Don't act like if you get a huge raise and promotion at your international corporation to temporarily live in England, that you would abandon your traditions and begin supporting England in sports.

With your logic, you should only follow leagues within your country, so tbh no one in Europe or elsewhere should be following any American league.

:cry :cry but I live under their government :cry :cry I receive their benefits :cry :cry now I have to be a supporter of all their sports teams (lol sports) and forget about my past teams :cry :cry

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I don't get what's so complicated to understand how absurd it is....but ....the actual fucking country i live in, come on!!! :cry It's the actual fucking country that I live in!!!!!

could you point out where i mentioned anything about temporary living in another country?

[ALVAREZ6]

receiving benefits > harboring Nazis > decimating a race tbh

ALVABEANER6 = nazi lover

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how far back in history can we go :lol?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Considering Argentina harbored Nazis into the 70s, it's not really going back that far.

[ALVAREZ6]

could you point out where i mentioned anything about temporary living in another country?

You never excluded that scenario, you simply said if you moved to another country, like Denmark, and received their benefits, you would support their teams in sports.

Either way, it' still ridiculous even if it is permanent. TBH, if you were to move to another country permanently, supporting either that country or the US when they face each other can both be supported pretty easily.

[ALVAREZ6]

Considering Argentina harbored Nazis into the 70s, it's not really going back that far.

lol whuts ur point...your boy dirk is a Nazi himself. The government of the country of which I very briefly and involuntaringly lived in at one time harbored Nazis. The star player of your team and his family were Nazis.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol whuts ur point
modern day Argentina is still a Nazi haven

[Landon Donofag]

Considering Argentina harbored Nazis into the 70s, it's not really going back that far.

What do you got against Nazi's? Oh wait i forgot you're a Jew. :lmao

[ALVAREZ6]

modern day Argentina is still a Nazi haven

so whats your point

[Landon Donofag]

lol whuts ur point...your boy dirk is a Nazi himself. The government of the country of which I very briefly and involuntaringly lived in at one time harbored Nazis. The star player of your team and his family were were Nazis.

:cry:cryYou have to understand that DoK's grandma and grandpa were baked in an oven by nazi's. :cry:cry

[ALVAREZ6]

:cry:cryYou have to understand that DoK's grandma and grandpa were baked in an oven by nazi's. :cry:cry

baked in an oven by Dirk's uncles

[Landon Donofag]

baked in an oven by Dirk's uncles

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

:toast

[ElNono]

I haven't been there in a while, but last time I was there there were shitloads of jews... at least in Buenos Aires...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol whuts ur point...your boy dirk is a Nazi himself. The government of the country of which I very briefly and involuntaringly lived in at one time harbored Nazis. The star player of your team and his family were Nazis.
Sick burn nazi lover, except I'm not a Mavs fan.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I haven't been there in a while, but last time I was there there were shitloads of jews... at least in Buenos Aires...
Yeah, it's called a guilty conscience.....that's why Argentina suddenly loves Jews.

[ElNono]

Yeah, it's called a guilty conscience.....that's why Argentina suddenly loves Jews.

I don't know that they love jews, tbh. There's definitely a shitload of them, though.

[nkdlunch]

DOK with the fail. No such thing as Jew hate in Argentina.

the hate starts and ends with dark skinned individuals in that area of the world.

[jag]

tbh if I were to move to Denmark tomorrow, live under their government, use their benefits, etc I'm rooting for them right away over the US.

Sure, the US will always be my second favorite team but not over the actual fucking country i live in

Even still, it'd be understandable if you still flew your US flag as a resident of Denmark. Considering you weren't born and raised there. And you'd receive the same, and even better, opportunities in the US. You wouldn't be fleeing the US because there's no work here. But depending on the circumstances, it could still be somewhat disrespectful to the people of Denmark because their government is "allowing" you to be there. I see so many people talking about their Mexican pride and heritage, yet they weren't born or raised in Mexico and some have never even been to Mexico.

The majority of mexican immigrants are hard working people who just wanted a better life for their family and knew they could find it here. The thing that gets me is that they still view the US as the bad guy. It's an "us vs. them" attitude where they couldn't care less about the US and would rather have their own little Mexico here. It's one thing to be proud of your roots. It's another thing to continuously shit on the your "home" country. The two shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

[lefty]

DOK with the fail. No such thing as Jew hate in Argentina.

the hate starts and ends with dark skinned individuals in that area of the world.
Shocker...............

[IronMaxipad]

I think it's funny that people are still arguing this yet some of you don't even watch/support the USMNT or soccer for that matter. :lol
We'll continue to root for whoever the fuck we want. :wakeup

I'll be rooting for Germany in the womens world cup. Come at me bro's. :lmao

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[Axe Murderer]

I think it's funny that people are still arguing this yet some of you don't even watch/support the USMNT or soccer for that matter. :lol

tbh i was just blindly trolling this thread and surprised i caused this much asshurt even after you told everybody i was trolling.

crofl i don't even care about soccer. i couldn't name one player on the US men's team (unless Landon Donovan is still playing)

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

DOK with the fail. No such thing as Jew hate in Argentina.

Yeah, people who love Nazis must really love Jews

[DAF86]

Jews make some of the best TV programs in Argentina, so a lot of people love them.

[ALVAREZ6]

Even still, it'd be understandable if you still flew your US flag as a resident of Denmark. Considering you weren't born and raised there. And you'd receive the same, and even better, opportunities in the US. You wouldn't be fleeing the US because there's no work here. But depending on the circumstances, it could still be somewhat disrespectful to the people of Denmark because their government is "allowing" you to be there. I see so many people talking about their Mexican pride and heritage, yet they weren't born or raised in Mexico and some have never even been to Mexico.

The majority of mexican immigrants are hard working people who just wanted a better life for their family and knew they could find it here. The thing that gets me is that they still view the US as the bad guy. It's an "us vs. them" attitude where they couldn't care less about the US and would rather have their own little Mexico here. It's one thing to be proud of your roots. It's another thing to continuously shit on the your "home" country. The two shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
Wouldn't this be expected given a large %age of US citizens have that same attitude, towards many minority groups??? Kind of unrealistic to expect immigrants to embrace US culture immediately if they are constantly harassed over stupid things they can't control. It can take generations, not much different than any newcomers to the US. You think Mexican kids like being bullied and harassed in school by people of the dominant race in the US?? Makes a lot of sense they don't forget their culture and immediately start rockin bandanas with cutoff sleeves sporting a bald eagle on one shoulder and a US flag on the other. (lol what a douche bag reference I just did)

[ElNono]

tbh i was just blindly trolling this thread and surprised i caused this much asshurt even after you told everybody i was trolling.

crofl i don't even care about soccer. i couldn't name one player on the US men's team (unless Landon Donovan is still playing)

Get on AIM dawg!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Wouldn't this be expected given a large %age of US citizens have that same attitude, towards many minority groups??? Kind of unrealistic to expect immigrants to embrace US culture immediately if they are constantly harassed over stupid things they can't control. It can take generations, not much different than any newcomers to the US. You think Mexican kids like being bullied and harassed in school by people of the dominant race in the US?? Makes a lot of sense they don't forget their culture and immediately start rockin bandanas with cutoff sleeves sporting a bald eagle on one shoulder and a US flag on the other. (lol what a douche bag reference I just did)
Tbh, I never saw a Messican get bullied at school for being Messican. I have, howeva, seen several occasions where several Messicans jumped/stabbed a different race (black for the most part).

:lol acting like Mexicans go to school with a good attitude and just want to learn

[ALVAREZ6]

Tbh, I never saw a Messican get bullied at school for being Messican. I have, howeva, seen several occasions where several Messicans jumped/stabbed a different race (black for the most part).

:lol acting like Mexicans go to school with a good attitude and just want to learn

is this not TC (sorry, I don't keep track of who's who with all of the trolls) ...cus you live in a different area. Quit trollin bro, there are low lifes of every race, you're talkin about poor ass gangbangers that got nothing better to do...don't act like Messicans are the only ones.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

is this not TC (sorry, I don't keep track of who's who with all of the trolls) ...cus you live in a different area. Quit trollin bro, there are low lifes of every race, you're talkin about poor ass gangbangers that got nothing better to do...don't act like Messicans are the only ones.
This isn't Tyson_Chandler or any Mavs fan at all for that matter (it's a no brainer who I am).

I'd be willing to bet most high schools are like the one I went to. I've never heard of a story where a Mexican in high school got bullied by white kids.

[ALVAREZ6]

This isn't Tyson_Chandler or any Mavs fan at all for that matter (it's a no brainer who I am).

I'd be willing to bet most high schools are like the one I went to. I've never heard of a story where a Mexican in high school got bullied by white kids.

I've heard it plenty of times at several levels (high school, middle school, late elementary), obviously it comes out differently depending on the age. But there's harassment everywhere.

[Phenomanul]

This isn't Tyson_Chandler or any Mavs fan at all for that matter (it's a no brainer who I am).

I'd be willing to bet most high schools are like the one I went to. I've never heard of a story where a Mexican in high school got bullied by white kids.

umm... yeah, because your life experience and school are definitely the inter-cultural gauge by which all other schools are measured and defined... :lol

I went to a predominantly 'white' school... Midway through my senior year I received death threats because a certain group of people didn't want me to graduate as the school's Valedictorian... Little did they realize their threats only made me work harder to achieve that goal, as I became the school's first Hispanic Valedictorian (and were talking about South Texas here, where Mexicans supposedly lurk behind every tree and brush :lol)... If I'm not mistaken my cumulative GPA is still the school's best.

Never once, however, did I use that experience to suggest that the whole country felt that way, or even the majority of our society.

[MannyIsGod]

You might as well just tatoo "Troll Me" on your forehead.

[Phenomanul]

Troll or not, DoK's rampant racism (in display throughout most of this thread)... doesn't deserve to be left in the thread... imo, such posts ought to be deleted (free speech or not)... :wakeup

[MannyIsGod]

Would have stopped pages ago if you would have just ignored it. By responding you just perpetuated it.

[Phenomanul]

Would have stopped pages ago if you would have just ignored it. By responding you just perpetuated it.

While true, it doesn't change the fact that DoK's BS will stored in SpursTalk's servers for 'all posterity'...

[MannyIsGod]

And? Let people see how stupid he is. Of course they'll also see you arguing with someone who is obviously just trying to bait you. In any event, white washing racism - real or not - doesn't make it go away. And like I said, all you did was perpetuate more racist posts when he saw it was working. Seems very counterproductive to argue with him if your goal is to reduce the amount of racism on ST.

[Vici]

Would have stopped pages ago if you would have just ignored it. By responding you just perpetuated it.

That's exactly why it's hard to believe him.

[Phenomanul]

And? Let people see how stupid he is. Of course they'll also see you arguing with someone who is obviously just trying to bait you. In any event, white washing racism - real or not - doesn't make it go away. And like I said, all you did was perpetuate more racist posts when he saw it was working. Seems very counterproductive to argue with him if your goal is to reduce the amount of racism on ST.


How does you arguing with me, change any of it..?

Fact is, I don't go around asking users if they're trolls or not... So when I see that sort of BS posted it still boils my blood... It doesn't matter if their POV/take is faked or not, it still has to be squashed... I know you understand that people 'out there' actually embrace those anti-Mexican sentiments. They blame 'us' for all of our country's supposed ills... How do I know if DoK is not among them...?

Also, this is not some morally-neutral subject like a "Hakeem vs. David," or a "Shaq vs. Tim" type argument... despite the subjectivity involved in both of those arguments, and the subjectivity involved when discussing 'racism'... So if one were to 'troll' one of the former threads, while annoying, they aren't doing anything inherently reprehensible... Trolling on the subject of racism, however, is... I don't take racism lightly, and I'm sorry if you feel my passion against that cause blurs my better judgement to engage in counterargument...

Question, "would anyone here be stupid enough to "troll" on the subject of pedofilia..."? I was under the impression that 'hate' speech was just as unlawful as the former...