Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Victor Ortiz | September 17

[IronMaxipad]

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Floyd Mayweather Jr. (41-0, 25KOs) announced to his 1.2 million followers on Twitter that he plans to return on September 17th to challenge the new WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz (29-2-2, 22KOs) of California. Ortiz, who moved up from junior welterweight, won the title in April with an impressive twelve round decision over previously undefeated Andre Berto.

The fight between Ortiz and Mayweather had been rumored for weeks, although both camps continued to deny the negotiations. Mayweather has not fought since last May's dominating decision win over "Sugar" Shane Mosley. Mayweather-Ortiz is a sure fight to land on HBO pay-per-view, and Las Vegas is the likely location to host - although Dallas, Texas is another rumored location.

Mayweather's main rival, Manny Pacquiao, defends his WBO welterweight title against Juan Manuel Marquez in a trilogy bout on November 12.

"My fans have been waiting long enough. Floyd Mayweather vs. Victor Ortiz. Sept-17 2011 for the WBC World Championship," Mayweather wrote on his Twitter page.

http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-vs-ortiz-on-september-17-floyd-jr-confirms--40059

[IronMaxipad]

Think floyd wins this by UD. I'll be rooting for victor though.

[rjv]

"I am ready to return to the ring and give my fans a fantastic night of boxing by fighting the best out there and for me, that is Victor Ortiz," Mayweather said. "He is the current champion and an extremely talented fighter who showed amazing skills, and heart, in his last performance against Andre Berto.

he's an idiot and a coward. he can go 42-0 and everyone who knows anything about boxing will know that it will always be tainted by his running from manny.

[nkdlunch]

"the best out there and for me, that is Victor Ortiz,"


:lmao :lmao :lmao

pussy

[Venti Quattro]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao dodging Pacquiao

[IronMaxipad]

Sons, this is a good fight. At least he's fighting someone in their prime. Not 40 year old fighters coming off of losses like pacquiao.

[IronMaxipad]

Mayweather fighting a dangerous Prime Welterweight compared to Pac who is fighting a 39 year old lightweight making him move up to welterweight (2 weight divisions).. He fought a 40 year old Mosley coming of a loss and a draw to fucking sergio mora and before that he fought Margarito coming off a loss :lmao

:downspin: that shit pactards

9OybNRIDExU

[TheNextGen]

Other then Berto, who has Ortiz fought to deserve an opponent like pacquiao? Also, didnt your boy Floyd make Marquez move up to 147 too? Didnt your boy Floyd also fight that 39 yr old Mosely?

I understand your point, but dont try to be comparing Mayweather with Pacquaio in terms of choosing opponents cuz you'll lose that battle.

[IronMaxipad]

First of all Mayweather isn't my boy, didn't i say i was rooting for Victor? I ain't a mayweather or pacquiao fan. I'm a boxing fan. I've shit on both and have given props to both. Both these niggas are cherry pickers don't even try and twist it. There is no losing battle to be had. Floyd fought Mosley who was coming off a KO win vs Margarito (and this was a Margarito in his prime coming off the beat down he gave cotto). Pacquiao fought a Mosley who was coming of a loss to mayweather and then a draw vs a scrub in Sergio Mora. You don't see a difference? And yes Mayweather also made marquez come up in weight and i shit on him for that as well, look it up.

What did Mosley do to deserve a shot against Pacquiao? Get fucking owned by Mayweather, and then embarrassed by Sergio Mora? :lol

[TheNextGen]

lol...so Pacquiao fights Mosely and suddenly it eliminates any work he did before that. Believe me, everyone didnt want to see pac vs mosely, but at the time, who was he gonna fight? Would you have been happy with pac fighting a "Pre-Berto" Ortiz?

[IronMaxipad]

Instead of a Shot Mosley? no shit :lmao

[IronMaxipad]

Anyways it is good that he's back, really can't expect someone coming of a 16 month lay off to take on Pac as his first fight back.. Winner of this fight should/better fight Pacquiao.

[rjv]

@ maxipad-the best fight that can happen is not happening due to mayweather. ergo. most of the 'coward' comments are directed at him.

even ali, leonard, holmes, marciano, robinson etc. had fights against bums or fighters past their prime.

[TheNextGen]

Anyways it is good that he's back, really can't expect someone coming of a 16 month lay off to take on Pac as his first fight back.. Winner of this fight should/better fight Pacquiao.

you are right, cant expect someone to fight pac after 16 months...but why fucking take 16 months off at the first place?!

[TheMACHINE]

Sons, this is a good fight. At least he's fighting someone in their prime. Not 40 year old fighters coming off of losses like pacquiao.

oh God. Homeboy is really comparing Pacquiao and Mayweathers opponents. :lmao

[TheMACHINE]

you are right, cant expect someone to fight pac after 16 months...but why fucking take 16 months off at the first place?!

cuz mayweather is a bitch.

[IronMaxipad]

oh God. Homeboy is really comparing Pacquiao and Mayweathers opponents. :lmao

Did i say something false? Nope stating facts son.

How many of you in here actually watch boxing? serious question.. And watching only pacquiao and mayweather doesn't count. :lol

[IronMaxipad]

@ maxipad-the best fight that can happen is not happening due to mayweather. ergo. most of the 'coward' comments are directed at him.

even ali, leonard, holmes, marciano, robinson etc. had fights against bums or fighters past their prime.

Play the blame game all you want. It goes both ways. Frankly i'm tired of hearing excuses from both sides.

[IronMaxipad]

even that cunt Bob Arum is now saying this is a good fight. :lmao

[IronMaxipad]

It's pretty funny that I made this thread to discuss the match up and all you get is pactards/casual fans that don't even watch boxing derail this shit. I didn't bring up pac in this thread yall did. :lol

Just weeks ago pac fans were saying Ortiz would be great to have on pacs resume. Now these faggots are calling it trash. :lmao Ortiz is the current highest rated Welterweight.. Aside from Pacquiao this is the best fight available. Better than a shot mosley or an over the hill Marquez fighting in a weight class which he has proven before that he does not belong in. Marquez will give a much better performance than Mosley though you can count on that.

Check out boxingscene great stuff.

[TheMACHINE]

noone in here is calling the Ortiz/Mayweather fight trash, we just think you comparing Pacquiao opponents to Mayweather opponents is trash.

[TheMACHINE]

Play the blame game all you want. It goes both ways. Frankly i'm tired of hearing excuses from both sides.

both sides? Wheres pac's excuse? Pac's been all in after the first negotiations fell thru.

[IronMaxipad]

both sides? Wheres pac's excuse? Pac's been all in after the first negotiations fell thru.

How about bob arum saying that he will never fight Mayweather? This has been argued to death :lol

Don't want to go over this shit over and over again. Both guys are to blame not just them but also their promoters.

[IronMaxipad]

noone in here is calling the Ortiz/Mayweather fight trash, we just think you comparing Pacquiao opponents to Mayweather opponents is trash.

No one here on "Spurstalk" maybe, but go to a boxing forum. And you'll hear that being beaten to death. like i said these same dudes where saying Ortiz would look great on Pacs resume.

And i just compared Mosley, you're telling me that the Mosley coming off of a loss (an embarrassing loss i might add) and a draw to sergio fucking mora that pac faced is a better Mosley than the one that just came off a KO win over Margarito? The same Margarito that was coming off his biggest win in his career over Cotto?

Please, don't even try and spin that shit. How is that a "trash" comparison? Because it's the fucking truth?

[DAF86]

I'm a neutral 'cause I'm a new boxing fan but I've been doing a lot of research (watching every fight I find on TV, watching old ones on line, and surfing boxing forums) and I must say pactards are more irritating than flomos, imho.

[TheMACHINE]

No one here on "Spurstalk" maybe, but go to a boxing forum. And you'll hear that being beaten to death. like i said these same dudes where saying Ortiz would look great on Pacs resume.

And i just compared Mosley, you're telling me that the Mosley coming off of a loss (an embarrassing loss i might add) and a draw to sergio fucking mora that pac faced is a better Mosley than the one that just came off a KO win over Margarito? The same Margarito that was coming off his biggest win in his career over Cotto?

Please, don't even try and spin that shit. How is that a "trash" comparison? Because it's the fucking truth?

well, youve seen my takes on the Mosely fight in other threads, i wasnt a fan of it. But i aint gonna make a big deal of it since pac has pretty much fought every big name out there in the WW division. Cant say that for maynever.

[Ashy Larry]

Mayweather fighting a dangerous Prime Welterweight compared to Pac who is fighting a 39 year old lightweight making him move up to welterweight (2 weight divisions).. He fought a 40 year old Mosley coming of a loss and a draw to fucking sergio mora and before that he fought Margarito coming off a loss :lmao

:downspin: that shit pactards

9OybNRIDExU


I guess when Floyd did that, it was alright ..... hell, Floyd couldn't even make weight for his fight against JMM.

Dude needs to stop running and fight Manny. Plain and simple.

[Ashy Larry]

oh God. Homeboy is really comparing Pacquiao and Mayweathers opponents. :lmao

Floyd has been at 147 for 6 years and have had seven fights and it actually took an earthquake and many Haitians dying in order for him to get in the ring with a decent welterweight. Hatton had to come up to 147. JMM had to jump two weight classes and taking out a shot de la Hoya (which he won by a split decision), Carlos Baldomir, Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitchell really doesn't get my dick hard.

Ortiz is decent but how can he be a decent 147er when he's only had one real fight at that weight? Floyd is gonna work this dude. And claim he was the best fighter at that time. :lol

[hater]

:lol Gayweather

[IronMaxipad]

I guess when Floyd did that, it was alright ..... hell, Floyd couldn't even make weight for his fight against JMM.

Dude needs to stop running and fight Manny. Plain and simple.

uh. I shit on floyd for fighting JMM.

[IronMaxipad]

4 Mayweather myths Debunked

There are few athletes that generate the same level of controversy and debate as five-division world champ, Floyd Mayweather jr. From his days as a 21-year-old world champion wunderkind right through to his current status as world class, elite-level heat magnet, Mayweather has become a permanent part of the psyches of most fight fans.

Attacked by unfriendly media sources and his persistent legion of critics, Mayweather has often been his own worst enemy, refusing to acknowledge critics' assertions and playing the role of indifferent party boy. As a result, myths have popped up about the talented former Olympic bronze medalist and have been allowed to stay in the public forum, becoming part of conventional wisdom for some, regardless of whether the accusation is based in fact or not.

In the spirit of fair play, here's a look at the most persistent myths regarding Mayweather and why they are more fiction than fact:

Mayweather has ducked…

Mayweather's failure to fight guys like Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto continue to hound the former welterweight titlist, but what's seldom pointed out is the promotional barriers to making these bouts.

When Mayweather left promoter, Bob Arum, he made a powerful, spiteful enemy. He also ensured that any dealing with Arum's promotional company, Top Rank, would be as pleasant and easy as a root canal.

When he was criticized for not meeting Margarito's "challenge" in 2006, it's rarely mentioned that Mayweather had just left Top Rank, had pending legal action against Arum, and was unlikely to turn around immediately after leaving his promotional company and fight, once again, under his old promotional banner.

As for Cotto, it should be noted that by the time Cotto made his debut in the welterweight division, Mayweather had already captured the lineal welterweight title and was beginning negotiations for his money fight with Oscar De la Hoya.

If Arum had wanted to force a fight between his guys and then-WBC champ, Mayweather, he could've easily done so by positioning Margarito, Cotto, and Clottey within the rankings of the organization. Instead, Arum chose to position his fighters in every division, except the WBC.

Mayweather always fights smaller fighters

This is easy to debunk. Mayweather has only fought two fighters who moved up in weight to fight him, Ricky Hatton and Juan Manuel Marquez— and Hatton was WBA welterweight champ a year prior. For the vast majority of his career, Mayweather has been the naturally smaller fighter.

Mayweather "cherry picks" his opponents

This isn't a myth at all. However, hardcore, observant fight fans will acknowledge that every top fighter strategically chooses the right opponent for the right price. Mayweather may, indeed, be a cherry picker, but this is nothing unusual at all. All professional prize fighters at the top of their game weigh risk vs. reward carefully when it comes to their bouts.

Mayweather is afraid of Pacquiao

"Afraid" is a heavy word to toss around when talking about a professional prize fighter who has been in competitive action since childhood. There aren't many cowards who fight for a living and have dominated the amateur and professional ranks, fighting fifteen past, present, or future world champions.

Mayweather did what he could to make the Pacquiao fight happen. Whether the request for random blood testing was just a psychological ploy or it represented a sincere concern on his part, the fact of the matter is that Mayweather came to terms quickly on all stipujations and even went to arbitration to settle the blood testing issue. During arbitration, as stated by the arbitrating judge, Mayweather would even go on to compromise on his request for true random testing, but it was Pacquiao who wouldn't budge.

Mayweather would move on after the fight fell apart and, by most accounts, hold firm on his demand for true, Olympic-style random blood testing— a stipulation Team Pacquiao has never conceded. The truth remains that on the one occasion where both Mayweather and Pacquiao were present for negotiations, it was Pacquiao who ultimately killed the deal.

Believe what you wish, but all the subsequent stories about Pacquiao agreeing to random testing and Mayweather turning down huge financial offers to take the fight have come from one source, and one source alone— Pacquiao promoter and jilted former member of Team Mayweather, Bob Arum.


Paul Magno is a licensed official in the state of Michoacan, Mexico and a close follower of the sport for more than thirty years. His work can also be found on Fox Sports and The Boxing Tribune. In the past, Paul has done work for Inside Fights, The Queensberry Rules and Eastside Boxing.

Sources:

Boxrec, Boxrec Stats and Info, Boxrec

The Boxing Tribune, The Boxing Tribune Editorials and Fight Reports, The Boxing Tribune

[IronMaxipad]

Floyd has been at 147 for 6 years and have had seven fights and it actually took an earthquake and many Haitians dying in order for him to get in the ring with a decent welterweight. Hatton had to come up to 147. JMM had to jump two weight classes and taking out a shot de la Hoya (which he won by a split decision), Carlos Baldomir, Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitchell really doesn't get my dick hard.

Ortiz is decent but how can he be a decent 147er when he's only had one real fight at that weight? Floyd is gonna work this dude. And claim he was the best fighter at that time. :lol

Aside from Pacquiao who is the best available fighter at 147? I swear do you guys even watch boxing? And are you seriously bringing up past fights i thought we went over this already. I can play that too. IF Mayweather fought a shot de la hoy what version did pacquiao fight? a fucking corpse. Pacqiao fought a shot hatton who got KO'd by Mayweather (and btw Hatton was the WBA welterweight champion the year before).. etc. etc.. see i can play that game too. I'm not even a Mayweather or Pac fan i pretty much avoid talking about either fighter because the same shit is said over and over again. But yeah it's all the fighters fault not like their Promoters have any say.
tbh, i'm probably the only person who doesn't give a damn if these 2 fight or not. Boxing will live on with or without pac and may.

[Ashy Larry]

Aside from Pacquiao who is the best available fighter at 147?

Well, no one now but back then, he could have gone up against Cotto or Margarito (before handwrapgate). I know they're Arum fighters and he didn't wanna deal with Bob's scheming ass but at least fight one of the two. Now @ 147, there's only one fight - that's Manny and that fight should happen but it won't.



IF Mayweather fought a shot de la hoy what version did pacquiao fight? a fucking corpse. Pacqiao fought a shot hatton who got KO'd by Mayweather (and btw Hatton was the WBA welterweight champion the year before).. etc. etc.. see i can play that game too. I'm not even a Mayweather or Pac fan i pretty much avoid talking about either fighter because the same shit is said over and over again.

totally agree here .... Oscar was shot pretty much in both fights. funny thing is he should have continued to use his jab against Floyd. And Hatton beat a paper champion in Collazo.




But yeah it's all the fighters fault not like their Promoters have any say.
tbh, i'm probably the only person who doesn't give a damn if these 2 fight or not. Boxing will live on with or without pac and may.

It will continue to live on but it's really gone to shit. Heavyweight Division is done with Dr. Steelhammer and Dr. Iron Fist continuing to win boring fights with countless jabs. Cruiserweight is non-existent. Light heavy has a 46 year old running shit and maybe Chad Dawson will finally get his head out of his ass.

Andre Ward vs Bute may bring some noise but nothing coming from 168. Ward vs. Froch in the SS Finals should be easy work for Ward.

Sergio Martinez got 160 locked. Nothing really there.

154 is shaky at best. Cotto? Dzindziruk?

147: Manny and Floyd. That's it....

140 is carrying boxing right now with Khan, Alexander, Bradley and my favorite Marcos Maidana.

and from straw to 135, you have many great fighters like Donaire, Gamboa and Darchinyan. But as long as these guys do not get in the ring and continue to have their belts stripped, boxing is gonna continue to take a back seat to MMA.

[IronMaxipad]

Boxing hasn't gone to shit man. Are you sure you're a fan? I mean unless you're a casual and only watch Pacquiao fight or Mayweather fight how the fuck can you say it's gone to shit? Last year was a great year for boxing and this year has already delivered great fights and en route to top last year. I agree with you on the heavier divisions except for 168 which there are still fights to be made after the super 6. and Klit vs Haye is a fight we have wanted and we're getting it this summer but aside from that i agree especially heavy weight.
Back in the day it was the heavier divisions that dominated to sport this generation its the lower divisions and there are a lot of fighters that are just breaking through. I agree about belt stripping and all and having so many fucking belts per division really does hurt the sport. Like you said 135 and down there are a ton of great fighters some of these cats will start moving up and have an impact in the higher weight classes. The young talent is there though.

[IronMaxipad]

And you know once Pac hangs em up the Filipino fans are gonna jump all over Nonito. He's a fucking beast.

[TheNextGen]

Hindsight is 20/20. "Shot" de La Hoya or not, Pac was the underdog in that fight especially when DLH went spilt decision with PBF. People were worried that he maybe too small with Cotto, Margarito etc. Why do i defend Pacquiao? Cuz he fought all the top names in the welterweight division. Some maybe late, but he fought them. Only one really missing is Berto and PBF. Can you really say the same about PBF? Wheres the margarito fight, how bout Cotto, Berto etc...where are those big names 3-4 years ago? Blame all the promoters u want, but pac-PBF is gonna make enough money to go around. Just waiting on PBF to accept.

[IronMaxipad]

I take it you didn't read the article above..


Mayweather did what he could to make the Pacquiao fight happen. Whether the request for random blood testing was just a psychological ploy or it represented a sincere concern on his part, the fact of the matter is that Mayweather came to terms quickly on all stipujations and even went to arbitration to settle the blood testing issue. During arbitration, as stated by the arbitrating judge, Mayweather would even go on to compromise on his request for true random testing, but it was Pacquiao who wouldn't budge.

Mayweather would move on after the fight fell apart and, by most accounts, hold firm on his demand for true, Olympic-style random blood testing— a stipulation Team Pacquiao has never conceded. The truth remains that on the one occasion where both Mayweather and Pacquiao were present for negotiations, it was Pacquiao who ultimately killed the deal.

Believe what you wish, but all the subsequent stories about Pacquiao agreeing to random testing and Mayweather turning down huge financial offers to take the fight have come from one source, and one source alone— Pacquiao promoter and jilted former member of Team Mayweather, Bob Arum.

[IronMaxipad]

tbh, I don't even know why i waste my time since the same shit gets said over and over again. And if you don't think the promoters are to blame then you don't know boxing. Let's not forget what Arum said just last month..

Arum: "Pacquiao Will Never Face a Golden Boy Fighter!"

[TheNextGen]

lol at believing one article when theres a billion other articles that blames PBF. Anyone who thinks Mayweather doesnt duck fighters is an idiot.

[IronMaxipad]

^ This is why you can't have discussion with pactards. I never said floyd didn't duck fighters from the fucking beginning of this thread i said both of them Manny included are cherry pickers.

[TheMACHINE]

tbh, I don't even know why i waste my time since the same shit gets said over and over again. And if you don't think the promoters are to blame then you don't know boxing. Let's not forget what Arum said just last month..

Arum: "Pacquiao Will Never Face a Golden Boy Fighter!"

Now, correct me if im wrong, but isn't Juan Manuel Marquez a Goldenboy fighter and isnt Pacquiao fighting him next?

[IronMaxipad]

Now, correct me if im wrong, but isn't Juan Manuel Marquez a Goldenboy fighter and isnt Pacquiao fighting him next?

Marquez left Golden boy so he can make the fight happen.

[TheNextGen]

^ This is why you can't have discussion with pactards. I never said floyd didn't duck fighters from the fucking beginning of this thread i said both of them Manny included are cherry pickers.

Honest opinion:

Who should Pacquaio have fought in:

2008 instead of De La Hoya?

How bout in 2009 instead of Hatton and Cotto?

How bout 2010 instead of Clottey and Margarito?

and 2011 instead of Mosley?

[TheMACHINE]

Marquez left Golden boy so he can make the fight happen.

homie really wanted this fight...but he made the right choice cuz he getting more money guaranteed.

[IronMaxipad]

homie really wanted this fight...but he made the right choice cuz he getting more money guaranteed.

Yeah, It was either sign with Top Rank for Pacquiao, or stay with Goldenboy and fight prospect Alvarez. he made the right choice :lol

[IronMaxipad]

Honest opinion:

Who should Pacquaio have fought in:

2008 instead of De La Hoya?

How bout in 2009 instead of Hatton and Cotto?

How bout 2010 instead of Clottey and Margarito?

and 2011 instead of Mosley?

Are you serious? :lol we going down this road again? This has been beaten to death. We can put both of their resumes and have a field day and say he should of fought so and so. CMON son just go to a boxing forum if you're really that clueless there's been tons of threads dedicated to Floyd ducking this and Manny ducking that. Like i said earlier same stuff being said over and over nothing new being brought to the table. are we still in 2009?

[TheNextGen]

Just asking you who he should be fighting...thats all. Cant be too hard. Simple as, instead of Cotto, he should have fought______. Instead of Clottey, he should have fought________.

[IronMaxipad]

Honest opinion? Look bro i told you this shit has been beaten to death but i'll play your little game.

He should have fought them without catch weights or coming off losses. After May vs ODLH we all saw he was a shot fighter. He could have fought Margarito who was the hot WW at the time after he dismantled Cotto (Same can be said about Mayweather who should have fought either Cotto or Margarito when they where hot). . Instead he fights Hatton who again was already exposed and K.O.'d earlier by Mayweather. I give manny props for cotto but don't see why that fight had to be held at a catchweight either but w/e. :lol. He then fights Clottey who was coming of a loss. Seriously how do these guy get shots at Manny after loosing their previous fight? :lol
Then he fights Margarito who got KTFO by Mosley and was also suspended for a year and a half. He looked terrible against his tune up fight and then he fights Manny for the Light Middleweight title at 150, another catchweight :lol
And instead of Mosley? Who was also already shot and had just got dominiated by Mayweather and barley got a draw vs Mora. He could have fought Berto, bradley, ortiz.. shit anyone thats not Mosley and can fucking move would've been respectable at this point.
And lets go back to that his one and only fight at Lightweight. He fought the bum of the division David Diaz. He could have fought Juan Diaz and Casamayor instead of that bum.

Is that what you wanted to hear? Same shit that's always been said. :lol

I'll do floyds next if you want cuz like i said i ain't a fan of either fighter. :lol

:corn:

[TheNextGen]

Honest opinion? Look bro i told you this shit has been beaten to death but i'll play your little game.

He should have fought them without catch weights or coming off losses. After May vs ODLH we all saw he was a shot fighter. He could have fought Margarito who was the hot WW at the time after he dismantled Cotto (Same can be said about Mayweather who should have fought either Cotto or Margarito when they where hot). . Instead he fights Hatton who again was already exposed and K.O.'d earlier by Mayweather. I give manny props for cotto but don't see why that fight had to be held at a catchweight either but w/e. :lol. He then fights Clottey who was coming of a loss. Seriously how do these guy get shots at Manny after loosing their previous fight? :lol
Then he fights Margarito who got KTFO by Mosley and was also suspended for a year and a half. He looked terrible against his tune up fight and then he fights Manny for the Light Middleweight title at 150, another catchweight :lol
And instead of Mosley? Who was also already shot and had just got dominiated by Mayweather and barley got a draw vs Mora. He could have fought Berto, bradley, ortiz.. shit anyone thats not Mosley and can fucking move would've been respectable at this point.
And lets go back to that his one and only fight at Lightweight. He fought the bum of the division David Diaz. He could have fought Juan Diaz and Casamayor instead of that bum.

Is that what you wanted to hear? Same shit that's always been said. :lol

I'll do floyds next if you want cuz like i said i ain't a fan of either fighter. :lol

:corn:

ok...so you wanted little pacquiao (who was fighting at 130 against JMM and tested his abilty against Diaz at 135) to jump to 147 (without catchweights) and challenge the "hottest" Welterweight, Margarito.

ok buddy. Get real. Once again...Hindsight is 20/20 especially when DLH was the favorite against Pacman. Just because fighters lose a fight, it doesnt mean they are crap. Cotto only had one loss...he was still a legit fighter.

[IronMaxipad]

ok...so you wanted little pacquiao (who was fighting at 130 against JMM and tested his abilty against Diaz at 135) to jump to 147 (without catchweights) and challenge the "hottest" Welterweight, Margarito.

ok buddy. Get real. Once again...Hindsight is 20/20 especially when DLH was the favorite against Pacman. Just because fighters lose a fight, it doesnt mean they are crap. Cotto only had one loss...he was still a legit fighter.

Tested his abilities against Diaz? Really. :lmao Diaz is a D level fighter at best don't give me that bull shit.
You want to get real ok Hindsight 20/20 your boy weighed in at 145 vs. Marquez on fight night. To put that into perspective 147 is the WW limit. "Little pacquiao" Weighed More Than OSCAR on fight night. Let me say that again incase you didn't comprehend the first time. "Little" Pacquiao outweighed Oscar De La Hoya. Pacquiao-148 Delahoya-147. and others in this thread aggreed that Oscar was already a shot fighter when he fought Mayweather so what does that say about the version Pacquiao fought? And about cotto didn't i say i give him props?

Are we going to keep going in circles?

[TheNextGen]

ur a fight expert right...in case you dont know it...DLH was expect to come in on fight night in the high 150's....shockingly he didnt. You also know that even though 147 maybe the "limit" most fighters come in way higher then that on fight night...so even at 147, pacquaio is usually the smaller fighter.

Speaking of "comprehend", yes, i said TEST his abilities. Pac moved up and fought a bigger opponent. He OBVIOUSLY past his test and moved up to try DLH...he obviously found out he can hang in Welterweight and moved on to fight the top dogs (cotto, clottey etc.)

You really expect him to jump weight classes to fight the top dogs without seeing if he can hang with the ones with lesser talents. Once again..GET REAL BRO. Stop looking back at all his fights AS A WHOLE and try to change how history looked at it at THAT time.

[IronMaxipad]

:lmao :lmao

Why does it matter what weight he was expected to come in as? The fact is he didn't. He was a weight drained zombie :lol I'm just going to stop now since pactards can't handle criticism of their hero.
This has been beaten to death go post on pacland so you can circle jerk with other pactards

http://www.mannypacquiao.ph/

BTW Are you watching the fights tonight? Probably not since Pacquiao isn't fighting. :lol

[Ashy Larry]

Boxing hasn't gone to shit man. Are you sure you're a fan? I mean unless you're a casual and only watch Pacquiao fight or Mayweather fight how the fuck can you say it's gone to shit? Compared to what it usta be it seriously has. Basketball will always be my first love. It's done a lot for my life. Second is boxing. It keeps me in shape and I love the fight game. I grew up in the era of the 70s and 80s when you knew who was the champion in a weight class instead of this alphabet soup shit we have going on today. I saw the best fighters fight one another more than once instead of this crap we have going on today. Compared to that era, it's gone to shit. We had a few good fights last year, in the 70s and 80s, we would have had at least ten to twelve bouts battling for fight of the year. We'll never see that again. Duran and Leonard fighting twice in six months. The Four Aces: Hearns, Leonard, Hagler and Duran all fighting one another more than once.

The best jab in boxing Larry Holmes being lost because he was sandwiched between the retirement of Ali and a rising KO king in Tyson. A true champion, Ali, fighting Frazier and Norton thrice, Foreman, Liston twice and probably the hardest hitter in the heavyweight division back then, Ernie Shavers.

Yeah boxing have some up-and-comers but as for right now, it will never get back to what it once was. And if it does, it's gonna take a whole lot of shit cleaning to do so. Who in the fight game right now can shut done the country like Ali, Tyson and Leonard right now? Maybe Manny. Maybe Floyd because people wanna see him lose. Not many.




Like you said 135 and down there are a ton of great fighters some of these cats will start moving up and have an impact in the higher weight classesTake 140. There's no reason why Maidana, Alexander, Bradley and Khan haven't fought multiple times by now. Khan has fought Maidana (great fight). Alexander and Bradley mixed it up in what was a pretty boring bout. It usta be about being the best in the class and being a champion, now that the belts have come into play, it's about sanctioning fees, promoters and paydays. They need to go back to the original eight divisions and that will eliminate all this bullshit.

[LakerHater]

Good for Floyd, hes gotta move on from that junkie Pacquiao!

[IronMaxipad]

Compared to what it usta be it seriously has. Basketball will always be my first love. It's done a lot for my life. Second is boxing. It keeps me in shape and I love the fight game. I grew up in the era of the 70s and 80s when you knew who was the champion in a weight class instead of this alphabet soup shit we have going on today. I saw the best fighters fight one another more than once instead of this crap we have going on today. Compared to that era, it's gone to shit. We had a few good fights last year, in the 70s and 80s, we would have had at least ten to twelve bouts battling for fight of the year. We'll never see that again. Duran and Leonard fighting twice in six months. The Four Aces: Hearns, Leonard, Hagler and Duran all fighting one another more than once.

The best jab in boxing Larry Holmes being lost because he was sandwiched between the retirement of Ali and a rising KO king in Tyson. A true champion, Ali, fighting Frazier and Norton thrice, Foreman, Liston twice and probably the hardest hitter in the heavyweight division back then, Ernie Shavers.

Yeah boxing have some up-and-comers but as for right now, it will never get back to what it once was. And if it does, it's gonna take a whole lot of shit cleaning to do so. Who in the fight game right now can shut done the country like Ali, Tyson and Leonard right now? Maybe Manny. Maybe Floyd because people wanna see him lose. Not many.

Cool life story, bro.
I can pull a quote from each decade saying boxing is dead, You can say it's not as popular as it was but don't give me that it's gone to shit. It's less popular in the States but boxing is growing and thriving in Europe right now. This year alone we've had 7 fight of the year canidates and it's still only June. Hopkins/Pascal 2, Maidana/Morales, Oritz/Berto, Arce/Vazquez jr, Juanma/Salido, Rios/Acosta, and Hernan Marquez/Luis Concepcion. And saying boxing is shit compared to the 80's is the same as saying Basketball is shit compared to how it was in the 80's. Has basketball gone to shit as well? 2000-2010 wasn't a good era in boxing? Gatti Ward triliogy, De la hoy, Mosley, Trinidad all in their prime. Barerra/Morales trilogy, Israel Vasques, Rafa Marquez quadriliogy :lol. Castillo/Corrales, Hopkins, Floyd, Manny i can go on and on, im sure im missing a lot of other fighters. We can go back another decade and find great fighters as well. Chavez, Roy Jones Jr in his prime, etc.. etc. And what country are we talking about being shut down because tyson never shut down the country. :lol. Pacquaio can shut down the Philipines, and basically any mexican fighter will shut down Mexico. And like i told you in my last post i agree about all the abc belts and the Heavyweight division being terrible.



Take 140. There's no reason why Maidana, Alexander, Bradley and Khan haven't fought multiple times by now. Khan has fought Maidana (great fight). Alexander and Bradley mixed it up in what was a pretty boring bout. It usta be about being the best in the class and being a champion, now that the belts have come into play, it's about sanctioning fees, promoters and paydays. They need to go back to the original eight divisions and that will eliminate all this bullshit.

I agree Greedy promoters def. hurt the sport. Especially when the 2 main ones are beefing *cough* Arum/Golden Boy

And to be fair Bradley and Khan was going down until Bradley bitched out cuz he was waiting for "pacquiao"

[TheGreatest23]

Its obvious that IronMaxipad is one of those Floyd fans who feel like they lose credibility if they admit they are Floyd fans so they claim them selves as "non biased" fight fans who isnt a fan of both guys. Obvious is Obvious.

[Ashy Larry]

Cool life story, bro.
I can pull a quote from each decade saying boxing is dead, You can say it's not as popular as it was but don't give me that it's gone to shit. It's less popular in the States but boxing is growing and thriving in Europe right now.Unless people are planning to move to Europe and live there, it's pretty irrelevant. Where do we live?




This year alone we've had 7 fight of the year canidates and it's still only June. Hopkins/Pascal 2, Maidana/Morales, Oritz/Berto, Arce/Vazquez jr, Juanma/Salido, Rios/Acosta, and Hernan Marquez/Luis Concepcion.Not a fight of the year candidate .... story of the year probably. Was a pretty boring fight. Arce/Vazquez was beautiful to watch and any fight with the Terminator Maidana in it is usually lovely. The rest were pretty good.




And saying boxing is shit compared to the 80's is the same as saying Basketball is shit compared to how it was in the 80's. Has basketball gone to shit as well? 2000-2010 wasn't a good era in boxing?twenty years later, basketball has a serious buzz to it especially with the Lakers and C's doing well and everyone hating the Heat. You have to really look at see where boxing has its buzz. Even people who didn't care about boxing had to stop and watch a Tyson fight. We don't have that anymore. And if it doesn't change, MMA will quickly take it's place which is sad.





Gatti Ward triliogy, De la hoy, Mosley, Trinidad all in their prime. Barerra/Morales trilogy, Israel Vasques, Rafa Marquez quadriliogy :lol. Castillo/Corrales, Hopkins, Floyd, Mannymost of these are ten years removed and we can't get anything like this today on a regular basis. Blame Arum and GBP. It's sad that you can't say Don King is the crook of boxing anymore.





And what country are we talking about being shut down because tyson never shut down the country.when ever Tyson got in the ring, there was a buzz around this country. We knew someone was gonna get fucked up and it wasn't gonna be pretty especially during the Rooney era. Sure Manny can shut down the Philippines and Mexico has a serious hotbed especially with Junior Chavez and Saul Alvarez doing damage, but when was the last time the U.S. got a hard dick from an American Prospect? And the one we do have seems like he don't wanna fight unless he's catered to (Floyd).


And to be fair Bradley and Khan was going down until Bradley bitched out cuz he was waiting for "pacquiao"
Like I said .... not about who's the best. About that payday. Manny's the cash cow along with Floyd.

[dbreiden83080]

Compared to what it usta be it seriously has. Basketball will always be my first love. It's done a lot for my life. Second is boxing. It keeps me in shape and I love the fight game. I grew up in the era of the 70s and 80s when you knew who was the champion in a weight class instead of this alphabet soup shit we have going on today.

I used to love boxing and still follow the big ones but there are almost no big ones anymore. I went to MMA because UFC puts on the best fights people wanna see year in and year out.. I didn't go in a huge MMA fan but when they kept giving me more and more big fights i fell in love with the sport.. Floyd being allowed to duck Manny for this damn long is exactly what's wrong with the sport.. It's sickening..

[IronMexican]

>maxi
>floyd fan

Pick one.

[IronMaxipad]

Its obvious that IronMaxipad is one of those Floyd fans who feel like they lose credibility if they admit they are Floyd fans so they claim them selves as "non biased" fight fans who isnt a fan of both guys. Obvious is Obvious.

Son, I ain't no floyd fan :lmao

I'm just pretending to be rooting for Ortiz to beat floyd amirite? Look at my floyd sig! Look at my floyd profile picture :lol

[IronMaxipad]

Unless people are planning to move to Europe and live there, it's pretty irrelevant. Where do we live?

Great response :toast
Just because Americans aren't dominating don't mean boxing is shit, unless your a fanboy for US born fighters or some shit. :lol A real boxing fan can appreciate a fighter regardless of where they are from.



Not a fight of the year candidate .... story of the year probably. Was a pretty boring fight. Arce/Vazquez was beautiful to watch and any fight with the Terminator Maidana in it is usually lovely. The rest were pretty good.

Ok? that's still 6 FOTY canidates in 6 months.. I thought boxing doesn't have any foty anymore :depressed

Edit: looking back son i overlooked some other foty canidates: Yordan vs Chris john, Kennedy vs diaz, Herrera vs Provodnikov
There's 3 more son! Shit thats 9 foty canidates and 6 months left of boxing!

AND that's not counting KO wins and big upsets that have all taken place in 2011! :wow Montiel getting KTFO by Donaire for example :wow

It truly has gone to shit! :lmao



twenty years later, basketball has a serious buzz to it especially with the Lakers and C's doing well and everyone hating the Heat. .

Until the NBA has another TRUE CHAMPION like Bill Russell it will never be the same!



most of these are ten years removed and we can't get anything like this today on a regular basis. Blame Arum and GBP. It's sad that you can't say Don King is the crook of boxing anymore.

10 years removed wat? soo all these fights happened in 2000? please dude you're reaching. Not to mention i left out a lot of other fights. :lmao


You have to really look at see where boxing has its buzz. Even people who didn't care about boxing had to stop and watch a Tyson fight. We don't have that anymore. And if it doesn't change, MMA will quickly take it's place which is sad
when ever Tyson got in the ring, there was a buzz around this country. We knew someone was gonna get fucked up and it wasn't gonna be pretty especially during the Rooney era. Sure Manny can shut down the Philippines and Mexico has a serious hotbed especially with Junior Chavez and Saul Alvarez doing damage, but when was the last time the U.S. got a hard dick from an American Prospect? And the one we do have seems like he don't wanna fight unless he's catered to (Floyd).

Manny and floyd dont do the same today? People don't stop to watch them? What about Oscar before them? How many fucking casuals come in with their stupid opinions when either of these 2 fight? And isn't Floyd vs Oscar the highest Grossing fight of ALL TIME? :lol


Like I said .... not about who's the best. About that payday. Manny's the cash cow along with Floyd.
Yeah Manny and Floyd are the Cash Cows but they're not the best? :lol
The Super 6 tourney wasn't about who is the best?
The Bantum Weight tourney wasn't to determine who was the best?
Of course there are fighters that only care about the payday but can't that be said for any sport? :lol

[IronMaxipad]

btw casuals that bitch about there not being any "good/big" fights anymore.:depressed

Watch Brandon Rios vs Urbano Antillion :toast

Come bitching after that, July 9th faggots. :lol

[IronMaxipad]

And for someone that claims to be a Hardcore Boxing fan you sure like to shit on your second "favorite" sport. :lol

[IronMaxipad]

Tbh i'm suprised i'm having this convo with a "boxing" fan Usually it's them MMA stans that only watch Pac fight and if it sucks omg boxing is dead. Yet they don't watch any of the good shit not named Pac or Floyd. :lol

And here's something that may shock some of you. Neither Floyd or Pacquiao have ever won Ring Magazine Fight of the year! never. :wow

2000 - Erik Morales W 12 Marco Antonio Barrera I
2001 - Micky Ward W 10 Emanuel Augustus
2002 - Micky Ward W 10 Arturo Gatti I
2003 - Arturo Gatti W 10 Micky Ward III
2004 - Marco Antonio Barrera W 12 Erik Morales III
2005 - Diego Corrales TKO 10 José Luis Castillo I
2006 - Somsak Sithchatchawal KO 10 Mahyar Monshipour
2007 - Israel Vázquez KO 6 Rafael Márquez II
2008 - Israel Vázquez W 12 Rafael Márquez III
2009 - Juan Manuel Marquez KO 9 Juan Diaz
2010 - Giovanni Segura KO 8 Ivan Calderon

:wow:wow:wow Would you look at that. Maybe there are great fights that don't involve Pac or Mayweather. :wow:wow:wow

[TheGreatest23]

cuz floyd fights are boring and pac fights are dominated by pacquiao. Not much war going on.

[IronMaxipad]

cuz floyd fights are boring and pac fights are dominated by pacquiao. Not much war going on.

Well that went completely over your head didn't it dumbass? :lmao

That wasn't the point :lol

Casuals only watch boxing when either Pac or Floyd fight and if the fight sucks then they bitch about it saying boxing sucks. :depressed
Recent example Pac vs Mosley. But them niggas don't watch any other of the countless great fights that happen year round. Just look at the 9-10 foty canidates that have happened this year alone. How many of you have seen any of these fights? Don't come bitching talking about there's no good fights anymore. And then they try taking shots at boxing and shit. fuck off you aren't a boxing fan to begin with.

Edit: tbh why am i even summarizing this shit since it clearly states that in the post before. :lmao

[Ashy Larry]

btw casuals that bitch about there not being any "good/big" fights anymore.:depressed

Watch Brandon Rios vs Urbano Antillion :toast

Come bitching after that, July 9th faggots. :lol


actually i'll be at that fight

[Ashy Larry]

I used to love boxing and still follow the big ones but there are almost no big ones anymore. I went to MMA because UFC puts on the best fights people wanna see year in and year out.. I didn't go in a huge MMA fan but when they kept giving me more and more big fights i fell in love with the sport.. Floyd being allowed to duck Manny for this damn long is exactly what's wrong with the sport.. It's sickening..


I shouldn't hafta beg the best to fight the best ...... just crazy.

[Ashy Larry]

And for someone that claims to be a Hardcore Boxing fan you sure like to shit on your second "favorite" sport. :lol

The sport is far from perfect. I just want it to be what it once was......... I have four champions in every division. Even boxing knows that's fucked up. Yeah, the casual fan is away and the hardcore will always remain as long as there's a Nito Donaire or a Saul Alvarez coming up. Too bad all the great American athletes are going to football and basketball.

[IronMaxipad]

actually i'll be at that fight
:toast Should be a war. both these cats are technically "American" btw. :)


The sport is far from perfect. I just want it to be what it once was......... I have four champions in every division. Even boxing knows that's fucked up. Yeah, the casual fan is away and the hardcore will always remain as long as there's a Nito Donaire or a Saul Alvarez coming up. Too bad all the great American athletes are going to football and basketball.
Every sport has flaws bruh. And like i said before i agreed with you about all the belts and divisions. But tbh, If you're still really hung up on that just look at the ring rankings and you'll know who the best in the division is. At this point the belts are just used as promotional tools anyway. And yes it a shame that there isn't more American fighters but again that doesn't really affect me. A great fighter is a great fighter regardless of their nationality.
Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on boxing being "shit." Even with it's flaws it's still far from being shit and they are making more money now then ever before. I couldn't care less what some MMA fans or casuals say tbh, the fights are there. I dare someone to watch at least 6 of those 9 foty candidates that i posted and tell me boxing is shit.

[TheMACHINE]

Floyd being allowed to duck Manny for this damn long is exactly what's wrong with the sport.. It's sickening..

Ironmaxipad doesnt believe that Floyd is ducking Manny. Therefore you are wrong an not a real boxing fan. :nope

[IronMaxipad]

Ironmaxipad doesnt believe that Floyd is ducking Manny. Therefore you are wrong an not a real boxing fan. :nope

:lmao The fact that you faggots are so hung up on one fight just proves that you aren't boxing fans. I never said anything about not ducking all i said is that it is as much a fault of the fighters as it is their promoters. Fact is Pac fucked up the fight up the first time, and floyd fucked up the negotiations the second time.

Pac is fighting JMM at Welterweight, (we've already seen what JMM looks like at ww, he's slow as fuck.) and not a single one of you faggots complained about that fight, not one. I make a thread about Floyd vs Ortiz and with in seconds the tards come flying in with their bullshit. Stop being hypocrites. That is the only reason i even brought up Pac fighting 40 year olds to show you faggots how much of a hypocrite you truly are. :lol

Here's the thread: http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179992

Not a single reply? :lmao

Second page:

^ This is why you can't have discussion with pactards. I never said floyd didn't duck fighters from the fucking beginning of this thread i said both of them Manny included are cherry pickers.

Shit are you guys even reading? :wow

[IronMaxipad]

Check the poll sons

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=485897

http://i.imgur.com/g3OWZ.jpg

:lmao

So does everyone there that think Floyd v Ortiz is a much better fight than Pac JMM = Floyd fans? gtfo :lol

It's simple logic really. Although it's clear that most of you here are Pacquiao only fans :lol

[TheGreatest23]

Check the poll sons

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=485897

http://i.imgur.com/g3OWZ.jpg

:lmao

So does everyone there that think Floyd v Ortiz is a much better fight than Pac JMM = Floyd fans? gtfo :lol

It's simple logic really. Although it's clear that most of you here are Pacquiao only fans :lol

:rollin Floyd Fan getting his panties in a bunch

[TheGreatest23]

lol people say the first two Pac/jmm fights were fucking awesome...and now they thinking Ortiz (who fight like only one big name) and Runaway Floyd is gonna be more exciting. bullshit.

[IronMaxipad]

:rollin Floyd Fan getting his panties in a bunch

Bring something of substance to the table next time, ok? :lmao

[TheGreatest23]

Bring something of substance to the table next time, ok? :lmao

oh should i be quoting blogs and copy and pasting polls like you?

[IronMaxipad]

lol people say the first two Pac/jmm fights were fucking awesome...and now they thinking Ortiz (who fight like only one big name) and Runaway Floyd is gonna be more exciting. bullshit.

Uh they were fucking awesome? Who said they weren't? :lmao
Pac vs JMM 2 was one of the best fights of this decade.

Nigga are you slow? Floyd vs Ortiz is more Legit than Manny vs JMM in 2011 who is nearly 40 years old now and his one and only fight at ww showed that he didn't belong. Anyone who doesn't see that is fucking retarted . :lol

[IronMaxipad]

oh should i be quoting blogs and copy and pasting polls like you?

Blogs? That was from an officially licensed Boxing ref and judge you dipshit. :lol And the poll is from Boxingscene you know the biggest boxing forum on the web where boxing fans post at? :lmao

Should we make a spurstalk poll so dumbasses like you can vote? :lmao No thank you.

[IronMaxipad]

I'm a neutral 'cause I'm a new boxing fan but I've been doing a lot of research (watching every fight I find on TV, watching old ones on line, and surfing boxing forums) and I must say pactards are more irritating than flomos, imho.

:lol co-sign

Just read this thread. :toast

[IronMaxipad]

ahh look what i found:


fck that...that fight would only be good if it goes down to 130. Marquez cant handle 147.


Seems like we're on the same page machine :lol

[IronMaxipad]

Here's another one


Bob Arum is secretly negotiating a Pacquiao vs Marquez III fight? I don't know if I am excited or not...


Who fuckin cares about that at this point?

Damn why ain't you guys shitting up the other thread? :lmao

again here's the Pac JMMIII thread: http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179992

[IronMaxipad]

We gonna keep playing this game? Or we getting back on topic? :lol

War Victor!

http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/thumb/c/c5/Victor_Ortiz.jpg/225px-Victor_Ortiz.jpg

[SanAntonioHeat]

Silly Floyd Fan...probably believes that Floyd wanting Manny to do a steroids test has nothing to do with his pussy ass being scared to fight the filipino. hahah

[IronMaxipad]

Now we to scared to post on our real accounts? crofl :lmao



The problem though is Mayweather only cares about the money. This bitch wants 100 million guranteed.

Oh shit i said that? :lmao hardcore floyd fan here

[IronMaxipad]

One last question and im done here since this is going in circles like i predicted. :lol

Who is more of a threat at Welterweight Marquez or Ortiz?

Simple enough question, can't wait to hear the :downspin:

[TheGreatest23]

lol at comparing Floyds resume to pacs resume and using the last 1-2 fights since pacs just WAITING for Floyd to stop being a pussy. Where was floyd the past 3-4 years? Yah...floyd can pick better guys to fight NOW since he's been ducking all of them by fighting once every two to three years. lol Floyd fan.

Mosley: 4 years - 4 fights
DLH
Hatton
JMM
MOsely
Ortiz

Pacquaio: 4 years - 9 fights
Barerra
Marquez
Diaz
DLH
Hatton
Cotto
Clottey
Margarito
Mosley

So whos been ducking who and whos been fighting the better fighters?

Simple enough question, can't wait to hear the :downspin:

LOL FLOYD FAN PRETENDING TO NOT BE A FLOYD FAN.

[resistanze]

Well, shit you sure come off as a Manny fanatic.

[TheGreatest23]

Well, shit you sure come off as a Manny fanatic.

so you think Floyds resume is better then Manny? You dont think Manny has fought a majority of the bigger names in the Welterweight division?

[resistanze]

so you think Floyds resume is better then Manny? You dont think Manny has fought a majority of the bigger names in the Welterweight division?

I said what you're posting makes you out to be a Pac fanatic, that's it. Any criticism towards Pacman appears to get you branded as a Floyd fan for some reason. Thus, you should be subject to the same.

It just seems dumb that people came into a thread attacking the OP about Mayweather considering who Manny is fighting (and had fought recently).

[IronMaxipad]

I said what you're posting makes you out to be a Pac fanatic, that's it. Any criticism towards Pacman appears to get you branded as a Floyd fan for some reason. Thus, you should be subject to the same.

It just seems dumb that people came into a thread attacking the OP about Mayweather considering who Manny is fighting (and had fought recently).

Someone that actually gets it. :toast
These fools are so damn biased they can't see how big of a hypocrite they are. They're somehow trying to shit on Floyd vs Ortiz yet they have no Problem with Pac fighting JMM at welterweight. I don't even know why he's posting resume's now since i never even said anything about "floyd" having a better resume than Pac or anything like that. :lol. And the fact that i appear to be the only one that's calling it like it is i'm labled a Floyd fan which is ridiculous. :lmao

[IronMaxipad]

Again, Who is A bigger threat at Welterweight Marquez or Ortiz?

[TheNextGen]

Again, Who is A bigger threat at Welterweight Marquez or Ortiz?

Ortiz.

Who was a bigger threat at Welterweight , Cotto vs Pac or Marquez vs Mayweather in 2009?

Who was a bigger threat at Welterweight , Clottey vs Pac or Mosely vs Mayweather in 2010?

Who was a bigger threat at Welterweight , Margarito vs Pac or (Oh wait, Mayweather didnt fight anyone around that time).

Who was the bigger threat at Welterweight , Mosely vs Pac or (Oh wait, Mayweather didnt fight anyone around that time).

I answered yours, so Answer mine.

Props to Mayweather for FINALLY stepping up and fighting someone although, he is fighting someone who hasnt fought a big name other then Berto.

[TheNextGen]

Someone that actually gets it. :toast
These fools are so damn biased they can't see how big of a hypocrite they are. They're somehow trying to shit on Floyd vs Ortiz yet they have no Problem with Pac fighting JMM at welterweight. I don't even know why he's posting resume's now since i never even said anything about "floyd" having a better resume than Pac or anything like that. :lol. And the fact that i appear to be the only one that's calling it like it is i'm labled a Floyd fan which is ridiculous. :lmao

Dont really see anyone shitting on Mayweather vs Ortiz. Just shitting on Mayweather.

[TheMACHINE]

Dont really see anyone shitting on Mayweather vs Ortiz. Just shitting on Mayweather.

Thats cuz Maxi got offended that people were clowning his boy Mayweather. Remember...Mayweather is not ducking Pacquiao. Mayweather fights the best in each division. Check his resume. The promoters arnt making the mayweather/pac fight happen. Not Mayweather. Its cuz Pacman was supposed to take the olympic style testing. Mayweather isnt a pussy...he fights the best! Why fight Margarito, Clottey, Berto in the past 4 years when you can fight Mosely, Marquez and Ortiz...the top dogs at welterweight!!

[IronMaxipad]

Ortiz.

Who was a bigger threat at Welterweight , Cotto vs Pac or Marquez vs Mayweather in 2009?

Who was a bigger threat at Welterweight , Clottey vs Pac or Mosely vs Mayweather in 2010?

Who was a bigger threat at Welterweight , Margarito vs Pac or (Oh wait, Mayweather didnt fight anyone around that time).

Who was the bigger threat at Welterweight , Mosely vs Pac or (Oh wait, Mayweather didnt fight anyone around that time).

I answered yours, so Answer mine.

Props to Mayweather for FINALLY stepping up and fighting someone although, he is fighting someone who hasnt fought a big name other then Berto.

Cottoo vs pac
Mosley vs May
and you answerd you're own question on the last 2 fights.

And finally :lol

[IronMaxipad]

Thats cuz Maxi got offended that people were clowning his boy Mayweather. Remember...Mayweather is not ducking Pacquiao. Mayweather fights the best in each division. Check his resume. The promoters arnt making the mayweather/pac fight happen. Not Mayweather. Its cuz Pacman was supposed to take the olympic style testing. Mayweather isnt a pussy...he fights the best! Why fight Margarito, Clottey, Berto in the past 4 years when you can fight Mosely, Marquez and Ortiz...the top dogs at welterweight!!

Way to twist my words son! :lol

Yeah i said all that looking for quotes please!

[TheMACHINE]

I said what you're posting makes you out to be a Pac fanatic, that's it. Any criticism towards Pacman appears to get you branded as a Floyd fan for some reason. Thus, you should be subject to the same.

It just seems dumb that people came into a thread attacking the OP about Mayweather considering who Manny is fighting (and had fought recently).

and who exactly has Mayweather fought recently that differs from PAcquiao? Hey...im not too cool with the JMM fight or Mosely fight...but at the time...there were really no other fighters to go after. Ortiz just became a household name cuz of the win against Berto last month. Thats its. Other then that, Pac has pretty much fought everyone in the WW division but Berto.

[TheMACHINE]

Way to twist my words son! :lol

Yeah i said all that looking for quotes please!

but isnt that how real boxing fans feel? :king

[IronMaxipad]

How? I never said Mayweather fought the best in the division. So again? Can't handle a little criticism of Pac? Don't forget this is Floyd vs Ortiz thread and it's funny that yall come raging in here trying to delegitimize the fight when pac is over here fighting 40 year old marquez at welterweight.

[IronMaxipad]

Double standards much?

[TheGreatest23]

noone was clowning on Ortiz homie. The shtick in here is that Mayweather needs to fight pac...untill that happens, people gonna clown mayweather...not dissing Ortiz. Its just Ortiz is not pacquiao. Pac takes less slack for the fact that he is still fighting. Yes, some maybe older, but the fact is that he still has fought a majority of the WW division.

[IronMaxipad]

noone was clowning on Ortiz homie. The shtick in here is that Mayweather needs to fight pac...untill that happens, people gonna clown mayweather...not dissing Ortiz. Its just Ortiz is not pacquiao. Pac takes less slack for the fact that he is still fighting. Yes, some maybe older, but the fact is that he still has fought a majority of the WW division.

You should also be clowning pac for fighting old ass Marquez at welterweight.

[TheMACHINE]

Double standards much?

Its not a double standard. They both fought the same fighters. But one of them has fought more legit welterweights then the other. Dont see why you cant understand that.

[TheMACHINE]

You should also be clowning pac for fighting old ass Marquez at welterweight.

I did...cuz i also clowned Mayweather for doing the same. Just like i clowned Pac for fightingMosely....but also clowned mayweather for fighting him too.

[IronMaxipad]

Its not a double standard. They both fought the same fighters. But one of them has fought more legit welterweights then the other. Dont see why you cant understand that.

huh? I agree that Pac fought more WW then floyd. That's not even the issue here. :lol

[TheGreatest23]

Its not a double standard. They both fought the same fighters. But one of them has fought more legit welterweights then the other. Dont see why you cant understand that.

Quoted for Mother Fucking Truth

[TheMACHINE]

huh? I agree that Pac fought more WW then floyd. That's not even the issue here. :lol

Then why you acting like Pacquiao = Floyd and they are both duckers etc.

[IronMaxipad]

I did...cuz i also clowned Mayweather for doing the same. Just like i clowned Pac for fightingMosely....but also clowned mayweather for fighting him too.

Props to you son :toast

Now try and get you're boys TheGreatest23 and NextGen to agree with that and we would be done here.

[IronMaxipad]

Then why you acting like Pacquiao = Floyd and they are both duckers etc.

They both are. You can't tell me manny never cherry picked and we both damn know that floyd ducks. I guess i'm the only one that can see that?

[TheMACHINE]

:lol
Props to you son :toast

Now try and get you're boys TheGreatest23 and NextGen to agree with that and we would be done here.

shit son...thats on them...

But i still dont like you making it seem like Floyd = Pac...thats a disgrace to my countryman.

[IronMaxipad]

:lol

shit son...thats on them...

But i still dont like you making it seem like Floyd = Pac...thats a disgrace to my countryman.

I'm not trying to i was just trying to point it out to those other 2 clowns that it's dumb to shit on one fight and be totally fine with the other

[TheMACHINE]

They both are. You can't tell me manny never cherry picked and we both damn know that floyd ducks. I guess i'm the only one that can see that?

Come on homie...big difference between cherry picking and ducking. You should know that.

Pacquiao be thinking "I think i can win these fights, i may win..i may lose...but i think i have a good chance on winning." CHERRY PICKING

Mayweather be thinking "fuck i may win or i may lose, fuck it, i aint fighting him." DUCKING

Once you make a name for yourself, like mayweather and pacquiao, people expect some sort of cherry picking. But you dont expect ducking especially when the public is demanding a fight.

[TheMACHINE]

I'm not trying to i was just trying to point it out to those other 2 clowns that it's dumb to shit on one fight and be totally fine with the other

i dont think alot of people were not too cool with JMM fight either. I think its easier to swallow since the first two figths were extremely close. I believe JMM is gonna get his ass handed to him at 147, but thats on him for demading to fight pac.

The Mayweather clowning is the fact that he doesnt fight often and people expect him to step up and fight pac. Lets hope the Ortiz fight is a tune-up. Based on pacs latest fights, it seems like he just wants to take it easy untill mayweather decided to negotiate again.

[IronMaxipad]

Come on homie...big difference between cherry picking and ducking. You should know that.

Pacquiao be thinking "I think i can win these fights, i may win..i may lose...but i think i have a good chance on winning." CHERRY PICKING

Mayweather be thinking "fuck i may win or i may lose, fuck it, i aint fighting him." DUCKING

Once you make a name for yourself, like mayweather and pacquiao, people expect some sort of cherry picking. But you dont expect ducking especially when the public is demanding a fight.
Yeah it's stupid that this fight hasn't happened yet and tbh by the time it happens and thats if it happens both of them are going to be past their prime. It was stupid to bring up OST but fuck can't do shit about it now. :depressed

[IronMaxipad]

i dont think alot of people were not too cool with JMM fight either. I think its easier to swallow since the first two figths were extremely close. I believe JMM is gonna get his ass handed to him at 147, but thats on him for demading to fight pac.

The Mayweather clowning is the fact that he doesnt fight often and people expect him to step up and fight pac. Lets hope the Ortiz fight is a tune-up. Based on pacs latest fights, it seems like he just wants to take it easy untill mayweather decided to negotiate again.

like i said earlier if the winner of Ortiz/May and Pac/Marq don't fight it would be a fucking joke. It has to happen.

It's only a matter of time before the cats at 140 jump up to WW so even if that fight doesn't happen Pac will have some more young up and comers to fight.

[resistanze]

and who exactly has Mayweather fought recently that differs from PAcquiao? Hey...im not too cool with the JMM fight or Mosely fight...but at the time...there were really no other fighters to go after. Ortiz just became a household name cuz of the win against Berto last month. Thats its. Other then that, Pac has pretty much fought everyone in the WW division but Berto.

I'm not making the argument that Mayweather has fought more. There's a million things you can say to point out the idiocy of PBF over the past few years.

But what I didn't get what shitting on the fight (or only Mayweather as some people are claiming) in this thread when:

A) Manny is booked, so a fight couldn't have happened now
B) Manny is fighting old ass JMM

There's a time a place to hate on PBF, just not here.

[TheMACHINE]

I'm not making the argument that Mayweather has fought more. There's a million things you can say to point out the idiocy of PBF over the past few years.

But what I didn't get what shitting on the fight (or only Mayweather as some people are claiming) in this thread when:

A) Manny is booked, so a fight couldn't have happened now
B) Manny is fighting old ass JMM

There's a time a place to hate on PBF, just not here.

fair enough

btw..fuck mayweather. HAHHA

[Ashy Larry]

JMM shouldn't even be going pass 140. This may be Mayweather all over again against Manny ....... older cats gaining weight and moving up is usually never good.