USA becomes Food Stamp Nation but is it sustainable? [Archive]

jack sommerset

08-22-2011, 07:23 PM

At the same time, the cost doubled to reach $68 billion in 2010 -- more than a third of the amount the U.S. government received in corporate income tax last year -- which means the program has started to attract the attention of some Republican lawmakers looking for ways to cut the nation's budget deficit.

http://news.yahoo.com/usa-becomes-food-stamp-nation-sustainable-160645036.html

ElNono

08-22-2011, 07:56 PM

It'll only keep growing while inflation raises up prices of goods, rent, utilities, etc except wages. Notice how some of the people mentioned in the article have a job, but they still don't make enough to make ends meet.

ElNono

08-22-2011, 09:32 PM

that's how illegal immigration works, come here have some kids and get on welfare while making 7.50 an hour, the gov will subsidize the rest.

Illegal immigrants are ineligible for foodstamps.

A kid born in the US is an American citizen, and thus eligible to receive the benefits.

And tbh, the largest estimates by the CBO of foodstamps benefits received by illegal immigrants with kids is about $2 billion. If the current cost is indeed about $68 billion, then that's only less than 3%. That means there's another 97% that are Americans and still need/receive the benefits.

Heck, the people on the article jack linked to are Americans, earning wages, and still unable to make ends meet. After all the federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour.

ElNono

08-22-2011, 10:19 PM

how many of them are here on green cards and getting the benefits then? how many are letting a friend who has residency claim their kids then give them the food stamps? it's not so cut and try.

A resident is not an illegal immigrant.

As a resident I can tell you that in order to obtain residency you have to prove you can sustain yourself (among other things, you have to send 3 years of tax returns, joint tax returns if you're claiming residency through marriage, to prove you make enough money not to require government help). Not only that, just filing residency papers cost about $1000.

I just filed my citizenship papers today, and I also had to send the IRS transcripts for the past 3 years plus another check for $680.

tbh, being a legal immigrant costs a lot of time and money, and the burden a lot of times is a lot higher than on illegal immigrants. Which is why I have a big problem with illegal immigration.

ElNono

08-22-2011, 11:03 PM

bullshit bro, you're going to tell me as someone who cashiered in a grocery store for over a year that all these mexican motherfuckers using food stamps were citizens?????? every other customer i ever had was a beaner on food stamps, i'm speaking from personal experience not some bullshit fabricated government figures. i know the vast majority of those people were illegals or had a green card because the ones who have been here for generations can speak fucking english.

Well, I'm not sure where you're at. I'm speaking from personal experience too as far as the burden to obtain a green card is concerned. When you're in front of the immigration officer, you can't fake it. No tax records = no green card.

Illegal immigrants can get access to food stamps if they have a kid born in America. Being that the kid is an American citizen, the child qualifies for food stamps (and obviously it's the parents that use them). AFAIK, that type of foodstamp usage is about 3% though. Feel free to correct me if you know different.

But here's something to chew on:
http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2010.htm

About 1 in 20 workers paid on an hourly-basis are paid the federal minimum wage of $7.25 or less.

Another nugget from it:
The percentage of workers earning the minimum wage did not vary much across the major race and ethnicity groups. About 6 percent of White hourly-paid workers earned the Federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 7 percent of Blacks and about 5 percent of Asians. Among hourly-paid workers with Hispanic ethnicity, about 6 percent earned the minimum wage or less.

ElNono

08-22-2011, 11:56 PM

and you don't think the vast majority of the illegal immigrants have kids on american soil? that was my original point in the first place

I don't know about 'the vast majority' (not being an ass, I really don't know).

I have little doubt that illegals use a higher percentage of welfare in general than natives (and there are studies like this one (http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011)) that show that clearly.

That said, the estimate is that illegal immigrants are about 10 million in a 300 million nation.

At an estimate of 42% of immigrants (legal and otherwise, but I'll just err on the side of caution and count them all as illegal) receiving food benefits, that amount to 4.2 million families.

Whereas 27% of native families receive food benefits. Since native families account for the other 290 million people, that comes up as 78.3 million native families receiving food benefits.

ElNono

08-23-2011, 12:10 AM

:lmao wrong, that 10 million figure is a ridiculous government propaganda number. people who actually study and research the subject put the number somewhere between 30 and 60 million. tbh if only 3% of the population is mexican, then why is it that me being an average guy with a few hispanic friends knows of at least 30 illegals personally?? roughly 3/4 of all the mexicans i know are illegal, and you wouldn't know until you get to know them on a more personal level as well as their families. it's not something they just advertise and they only tell you once they come to trust you. then you find out that their entire families are illegal and you never would have even expected it back in high school or when you first met them.

Again, depends where you live. Just going by official numbers (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_ill_pe_2009.pdf). There's actually 3 different estimates (census, dhs, pew research) and they all put the number between 8 million and 12 million.

Even if we were to assume that 10% of the entire US population is made up of illegal aliens (30 million), that's still amounts to 12 million families receiving food benefits, compared to 78+ million native.

ElNono

08-23-2011, 12:54 AM

1) Census data does collect some illegal immigrant population. The 10 million figure is actually an adjusted number from the census data. There's other sources that do not use the census data and are not government provided, and they also match somewhere around that number.

2) Total Texas population currently stands at 24 million. Your claim that more than half the population is comprised of illegal immigrants is simply absurd (and I visit Texas fairly often).

3) Anybody born on US soil is an American citizen. Like it or not, that's a US citizen.

4) You don't backup any of your population or welfare numbers with frankly anything. If you don't like the government numbers, you could use private estimates, like Pew, but unfortunately for you, they don't really add up to your conspiracy theory either.

As traumatic your experience on a grocery story might be, even if we were to exaggerate, your numbers are not even close. So, back off the ledge.

As far as your experience with Mexicans, well, I really don't care (and I'm not mexican or mexican-related). I frankly know good people and assholes of every race, without exception.

mingus

08-23-2011, 01:01 AM

ElNono

08-23-2011, 01:03 AM

obviously the texas estimate is an exaggeration, elnono, but that government "12 million" being a joke is not. illegal immigration is causing serious problems and nobody wants them here, white or black.

I don't want them here either, and I'm not even a citizen (yet).

But looking at the numbers, I don't think they're also the big smoking gun when it comes to foodstamps.

Looking at the raising amount of people earning minimum wage or less and the fact there's no fucking way in hell you can live off it seeing how inflation has shoot up the prices of everything makes for a more compelling reason, IMO.

I mean, the last time I heard somebody around here trying to hire illegals for some yard work they wanted $10/hour. How the fuck $7.25/hour makes any sense in this day and age?

ElNono

08-23-2011, 01:06 AM

What bugs the shit outta me is how many people who abuse the welfare system. Food, water a bed and other necessities should be covered. But a buncha these people have new cellphones, 3 tv's, x-box, etc. Billions of tax dollars wasted on a dysfunctional system.

What pisses me off even more is when the government releases some study where they 'estimate' that $14 billion or so was spent on fraudulent benefits (I think that number was from disability payments).

If you know it's fraudulent, then go the fuck after them, and get that money back.

SnakeBoy

08-23-2011, 01:08 AM

I don't want them here either, and I'm not even a citizen (yet).

I'm a citizen and I want them here. I just want a system in place that lets them come here and work legally. We need their labor.

mingus

08-23-2011, 01:11 AM

what pisses me off even more is when the government releases some study where they 'estimate' that $14 billion or so was spent on fraudulent benefits (i think that number was from disability payments).

If you know it's fraudulent, then go the fuck after them, and get that money back.

+1

ElNono

08-23-2011, 01:13 AM

I'm a citizen and I want them here. I just want a system in place that lets them come here and work legally. We need their labor.

Well, I was talking about illegals. Legally, that's another story. I put a lot of time, money and never asked or received any handout from the government (well, except for the Bush Jr stimulus check that I didn't ask for :lol).

Thing is, you can't have them long-term for cheap work, and expect them not to end up in the foodstamp line. At that point, why not just hire American?

mingus

08-23-2011, 01:16 AM

I'm a citizen and I want them here. I just want a system in place that lets them come here and work legally. We need their labor.

Why do we need their labor. Bullshit. A lot of people in this country need a job and are willing to work whatever. 5 years ago I wouldn't argue the point, but at the moment a lot of citizens just want a job. Enduring a long period of unemployment and no source of income will make a person happy as hell to find something that pays. A lot of people took that for granted before the recession. No more.

SnakeBoy

08-23-2011, 01:20 AM

At that point, why not just hire American?

I know a guy who owns a fencing company that uses alot of illegals. He says blacks don't last a day, whites don't last a week, but the vatos can go all day busting thru limestone with a breaker bar as long as you buy them a 12 pack at the end of the day. There really is work Americans just won't do.

ElNono

08-23-2011, 01:27 AM

Why do we need their labor. Bullshit. A lot of people in this country need a job and are willing to work whatever. 5 years ago I wouldn't argue the point, but at the moment a lot of citizens just want a job. Enduring a long period of unemployment and no source of income will make a person happy as hell to find something that pays. A lot of people took that for granted before the recession. No more.

The problem is that you can't live off some of those jobs without some sort of welfare tacked on. Some quick math for a full time job @ minimum wage:

52 weeks * 40 hours/week = 2080 hours * $7.25 = $15080/year = $1256/month

Now, that's without any healthcare benefits, retirement or anything else taken from it. You couldn't live with that much here. Rent doesn't go below $800. Add groceries, transportation, bills. And if you have a kid, then good luck to you.

It's ridiculous. There's no way you can live on that.

ElNono

08-23-2011, 01:30 AM

I know a guy who owns a fencing company that uses alot of illegals. He says blacks don't last a day, whites don't last a week, but the vatos can go all day busting thru limestone with a breaker bar as long as you buy them a 12 pack at the end of the day. There really is work Americans just won't do.

Pay them fairly and they'll do it. Americans just don't want to live 12 on a 2 bedroom house. I can't blame them.

SnakeBoy

08-23-2011, 01:34 AM

Pay them fairly and they'll do it. Americans just don't want to live 12 on a 2 bedroom house. I can't blame them.

He starts them at $15/hr. What's a fair wage for someone who's only skill is to pound a hole in the ground with a metal bar in 100 degree heat?

ElNono

08-23-2011, 01:35 AM

He starts them at $15/hr. What's a fair wage for someone who's only skill is to pound a hole in the ground with a metal bar in 100 degree heat?

That's not bad paid, IMO. Is it temp work though?

SnakeBoy

08-23-2011, 01:44 AM

That's not bad paid, IMO. Is it temp work though?

No it's not temp work but even the vatos only last so long before they take a break and head back home. He's got a few guys that are permanent but they do more supervising than pounding.

Honestly, the idea that there are enough willing Americans to fill every menial shitty back breaking job is just ridiculous.

4>0rings

08-23-2011, 03:00 AM

so tell me how did everything in this country get built prior to the beaner invasion around the 70's?
Slaves? Then the Chinese... then the whatever race you can think of except whites.

SnakeBoy

08-23-2011, 03:05 AM

except whites.

Hey we played an important supervisory role.

mingus

08-23-2011, 03:06 AM

The problem is that you can't live off some of those jobs without some sort of welfare tacked on. Some quick math for a full time job @ minimum wage:

52 weeks * 40 hours/week = 2080 hours * $7.25 = $15080/year = $1256/month

Now, that's without any healthcare benefits, retirement or anything else taken from it. You couldn't live with that much here. Rent doesn't go below $800. Add groceries, transportation, bills. And if you have a kid, then good luck to you.

It's ridiculous. There's no way you can live on that.

A lot of unemployed people I know would take any job right now. Unless someone provides a study that states only illegal aliens want work so and so jobs, then I won't believe it. My experience shows different.

4>0rings

08-23-2011, 03:26 AM

:lol whites didn't farm and do all kinds of backbreaking work huh? You know, back in the day when we had an agriculture based society and everyone farmed that not everyone had slaves right? that was a privilege only for hte wealthy. guess you've never heard of indentured servants?

So much for that theory.You just swept away slavery(carried the agricultural based society), the chinese(railroads, you know to move the agricultural commerce, hispanics(building every framed concrete and wooden building that is upright, now) in defense of Bubba's 5 acre farm in the building of americas economy from labor?

No one said whites didn't do anything, but they didn't do the majority.

4>0rings

08-23-2011, 03:29 AM

A lot of unemployed people I know would take any job right now.
BS, provide me a study on that.

Just saw a sign at Office Depot, they are hiring. I can give directions to the people you know so they can run over to that awesome job and apply for it.

4>0rings

08-23-2011, 03:59 AM

Beaner, can you read? It said that white indentured servants were way more common than slaves back in those days and carried the bulk of the load.
Yes, they were common for Bubba's 5 acre farm that served his family, not plantations that served agricultural needs for all America and Briton. You said it yourself, the rich afforded the slaves, many of them at that too. These huge plantations that built the economy for the whole South and the North West prior to banning slavery were run on slave labor, not some tater eater out of Ireland.

But even today, blacks still only comprise like 12% of the population.
Todays account for black population has no bearing on slave population compared to free whites back in the day.

1850:

6.1 million whites
3.2 million slaves

SnakeBoy

08-23-2011, 04:11 AM

Bro I applied at 3 office depot's over the summer and didn't get a call back, and i'm 3/4 done with college and have a 3.8 GPA. a lot more people apply to those jobs than you realize.

Bro just filling out an application and hoping it gets picked out of the pile is stupid. Those jobs probably went to people who demonstrated that they actually wanted the job.

boutons_deux

08-23-2011, 07:43 AM

"who demonstrated that they actually wanted the job"

Tell us how to "demonstrate" and to whom at Home Depot or other big chain store.

Retail employees are bottom-feeders, and nobody knows it better, and treats them that way, than big chain store HR and mgmt.

Wild Cobra

08-23-2011, 01:27 PM

tbh, being a legal immigrant costs a lot of time and money, and the burden a lot of times is a lot higher than on illegal immigrants. Which is why I have a big problem with illegal immigration.
They should make it simpler, and not cost so much.

Borat Sagyidev

08-23-2011, 01:31 PM

another way that the illegal immigration problem is really hurting us

big GOP donors like Bob Perry and the owner of HEB want illegal immigration, it keeps their costs low.

Heck, the only reason TX has high job numbers is because of low wages and lowered expectations...and yes illegal immigration.

The state is a haven for business thanks to illegal immigration

Phenomanul

08-24-2011, 09:05 AM

I'm sure Tyson_Chandler's "personal experience" provides sufficient contextual basis to qualify and represent the entire nation's demographics... in his eyes, his xenophobia is justified. :rolleyes

We all know the system is screwed up, trying to pin that on illegal immigrants, however, is disingenuous. TBH TC's derrogatory "beaner" remarks and tone throughout this thread speak louder than his unsubstantiated claims ever could...

One of my fixes for overhauling these type of programs (wellfare benefits, handouts, lawsuit abuse etc...) would be to use combination coupling of Lie-Detection technologies (polygraph + fMRI + voice nuance recognition software + emotional detection through facial patterns, etc...) to permenantly weed out people that were abusing the system... those able-bodied people that were too lazy to work would be refused aid. It would take years to implement, but then at least those people that genuinely needed help would actually get it vs. those just living off of the government (technically off of tax-payer's backs) and playing the system...

People would have to demonstrate a willingness to better themselves off of their own accord...

Blake

08-24-2011, 09:08 AM

One of my fixes for overhauling these type of programs (wellfare benefits, handouts, lawsuit abuse etc...) would be to use combination coupling of Lie-Detection technologies (polygraph + fMRI + voice nuance recognition software + emotional detection through facial patterns, etc...) to permenantly weed out people that were abusing the system... those able-bodied people that were too lazy to work would be refused aid. It would take years to implement, but then at least those people that genuinely needed help would actually get it vs. those just living off of the government (technically off of tax-payer's backs) and playing the system...

wtflol

MannyIsGod

08-24-2011, 09:22 AM

No it's not temp work but even the vatos only last so long before they take a break and head back home. He's got a few guys that are permanent but they do more supervising than pounding.

Honestly, the idea that there are enough willing Americans to fill every menial shitty back breaking job is just ridiculous.

+1

Fruit rots in places where immigrants aren't around to work. And its not because the wage is too low.

MannyIsGod

08-24-2011, 09:24 AM

Bro I applied at 3 office depot's over the summer and didn't get a call back, and i'm 3/4 done with college and have a 3.8 GPA. a lot more people apply to those jobs than you realize. a lot of college students couldn't even find work this summer.

Funny - I got several offers. I guess you just suck, IMO, TBH.

MannyIsGod

08-24-2011, 09:26 AM

Just because TC likes to drop in Alex Jones psuedo intellectual garbage and figures that can't be backed up with a mix of GPA smack doesn't mean he's not trolling. Just saying.

silverblk mystix

08-24-2011, 09:52 AM

Does anyone ever point blame up...instead of down?

Somewhere, billionaires and members of the FED reserve are having a drink and patting themselves on the back....saying;

"Isn't this system marvelous...we rape the country...set up a system where we get all the pieces of the American pie...we use people like Rupert Murdoch to control the media-which poison's people's minds to hate the weak...then we sit back and watch the middle and lower class all tear each other to shreds..

all for a few crumbs!!!!" :lmao

Meanwhile...from the time that a billionaire's head hits the pillow at night to the time he opens his eyes in the morning....he just made another million in interest overnight.....

But kill each other and blame each other...have the RIGHT work to keep the elite tax free and the LEFT to try and plug holes in the sinking ship....

IF and WHEN people wake up...(not in our lifetime)...there will be a healthy revolution and the poor will say fuck it..."I'm gonna charge that hill and take that fuckin' rich man's shit and get mine!"

Until then....keep bending over for the elite and hate on your own brother for crumbs...

The system is perfectly set in place to guarantee that the rich keep theirs...and the rest scramble and kill each other for crumbs.

Tyson Chandler is a perfect puppet...just dancing every time the rich pull his strings.

cantthinkofanything

08-24-2011, 10:07 AM

^ tl/dr/poster sucks

DMX7

08-24-2011, 10:16 AM

DPG21920

08-24-2011, 12:49 PM

Manny check your messages

jack sommerset

08-24-2011, 02:27 PM

Jack is probably like Joe the Plumber. He hates the government welfare programs like unemployment insurance but he sure doesn't have a problem using them when he needs to. Joe also hates the fact that his imaginary business is getting killed by taxes it isn't paying.

Idiot....I have never been on any welfare program and never will. I'm sorry you have fell on rough times. Good luck!

George Gervin's Afro

08-24-2011, 02:47 PM

Idiot....I have never been on any welfare program and never will. I'm sorry you have fell on rough times. Good luck!

hey did you hear bachman claimed that gas would never go over 2.00 if she's elected? She's a liar.... but you'd vote for her

DarkReign

08-24-2011, 03:18 PM

Idiot....I have never been on any welfare program and never will. I'm sorry you have fell on rough times. Good luck!

Welfare, dont know. I believe you havent.

Medicare you are bound by law to enroll at 65 years old (iirc). So, yes, you are receiving the benefits of a socialized system, like it or not.

boutons_deux

08-24-2011, 03:31 PM

Let's see how all these wrongies do past 65 with their Ryan/Bachmann vouchers buying shitty coverage from the UCA.

jack sommerset

08-24-2011, 05:32 PM

hey did you hear bachman claimed that gas would never go over 2.00 if she's elected? She's a liar.... but you'd vote for her

Dude, you are so fucking weird.

Who are you to say it wouldn't go down to $2.00 bucks? It was just a couple of years ago. If she could pass some laws that would allow the US to become more independent, no doubt she could get the price down there.

jack sommerset

08-24-2011, 05:34 PM

Welfare, dont know. I believe you havent.

Medicare you are bound by law to enroll at 65 years old (iirc). So, yes, you are receiving the benefits of a socialized system, like it or not.

I'm not 65, not even close. Verdict still out on that one.

ChumpDumper

08-24-2011, 05:44 PM

Dude, you are so fucking weird.

Who are you to say it wouldn't go down to $2.00 bucks? It was just a couple of years ago. If she could pass some laws that would allow the US to become more independent, no doubt she could get the price down there.What laws would make the US independent to the point gas would be $2 a gallon?

Be specific. I know Bachmann won't.

silverblk mystix

08-24-2011, 07:01 PM

I'm not a puppet at all, just because I spoke out against illegal immigration in this thread doesn't mean that I view it as this country's biggest problem in any way. You're the dense one for having deduced that. I'm on the record saying that these are the country's problem's in order of importance:

1) The federal reserve and fractional banking system
2) The wars
3) Illegal immigration

And the first 2 are hurting the economy quite a bit more than the 3rd, but illegal immigration is a double edged sword. I don't want them here for economic reasons as well as social reasons which I've already discussed. I'm in no way duped by the billionaires you speak of, I actually call them globalists or NWO advocates and spend a decent portion of my time studying them and keeping up with what they're doing next. They got the whole damn world in a vice grip right now and I'm afraid if people don't wake up soon, police state and one world government is coming in the future.

Maybe you are not as stupid as you pretend to be....

maybe!

silverblk mystix

08-24-2011, 07:08 PM

If you really want to think I'm smart, remember I called it first whenever we pull another "Libya" in Syria soon. All the signs are there, we're getting ready for it.

Well that's not too much of a stretch...but yeah...it is getting there...

but what does Israel have to gain here?

Wherever Israel looks to profit...that's where the next action is....tbh...

silverblk mystix

08-24-2011, 08:35 PM

I don't think it's so much Israel as it is the globalists..the globalists have their hooks inside of almost every government in the world and yes especially Israel.

Where do you think the majority of these globalists originate from?

Blake

08-24-2011, 08:39 PM

lol globalists

4>0rings

08-24-2011, 08:40 PM

If you really want to think I'm smart, remember I called it first whenever we pull another "Libya" in Syria soon. All the signs are there, we're getting ready for it.
No way, Syria has absolutely nothing we want. We already have Israel as our personal base in the middle east along with Iraq and Afghanistan.

There is a reason there has been no action thus far and Syrias leader has killed FAR more citizens already than that asshole in Libya.

lol @ Hillary condeming this a-hole after he's murdered thousands of his own people

jack sommerset

08-24-2011, 08:43 PM

A thread about food stamps and now it's about invading Syria....LOL And of course throw a little bachman in there with the gas prices.

DarkReign

08-25-2011, 09:23 AM

I'm not 65, not even close. Verdict still out on that one.

For some damn reason I thought I was quoting xrayzebra.

My bad.

Borat Sagyidev

08-25-2011, 10:13 AM

Dude, you are so fucking weird.

Who are you to say it wouldn't go down to $2.00 bucks? It was just a couple of years ago. If she could pass some laws that would allow the US to become more independent, no doubt she could get the price down there.

It'll go down below $2, but it won't be from petroleum products. Exxon is about to get a reasl nasty threat to their existence.

And no, I'm not talking about it. It's capitalism, deal with it.

mavs>spurs

08-26-2011, 08:53 AM

except that you might feel disgusted seeing those shitheads there ain't no actual problem with illegal immigrants imho. illegals only do the shittiest works that no americans would want to do, and live at the lowest life standard. its legal immigrants who took away those decent jobs from our hands and lowered our living standard imho. immigration from outside the US contributes almost half of population increase, according to 2009 census, and its about to outspeed the natural increase within this decade. the poorest only get a little share of tax income while the vast majority goes right into the pockets of goverment employees and those "legal" immigrants (like jackass summershit, mannyisbitch etc...)

boutons_deux

08-26-2011, 09:06 AM

"its legal immigrants who took away those decent jobs from our hands"

what bullshit.

UCA killed US jobs as productivity rose, and then created millions of jobs overseas in Asia. The good jobs aren't coming back for Human-Americans. UCA has figured out all the growth is in Asia, not in USA.

I do agree that tech companies want the visa quota raised so they can import cheap Asian tech people for half the price of US tech people.

Wild Cobra

08-26-2011, 01:17 PM

Agloco

08-29-2011, 11:10 AM

Bro I applied at 3 office depot's over the summer and didn't get a call back, and i'm 3/4 done with college and have a 3.8 GPA. a lot more people apply to those jobs than you realize. a lot of college students couldn't even find work this summer.

I wonder what those other gangstas out there would think about this.