man exposes Scientist lying in the text books and gets run off the radio.

[mouse]

That's the best you can do Flake? You asked for books in this decade that are still in the schools Blake and I provided them and you resort to acting like RedZero major props.


Keep the the lame insults coming further proof you are out of your element trying to debate serous matters.

I will add you to the same daycare playpen as redzero.

[Blake]

That's the best you can do Flake? You asked for books in this decade that are still in the schools Blake and I provided them and you resort to acting like RedZero major props.


Keep the the lame insults coming further proof you are out of your element trying to debate serous matters.

I will add you to the same daycare playpen as redzero.

Lol flake and random lie are quality insults,tbh

[redzero]

That's the best you can do Flake? You asked for books in this decade that are still in the schools Blake and I provided them and you resort to acting like RedZero major props.


Keep the the lame insults coming further proof you are out of your element trying to debate serous matters.

I will add you to the same daycare playpen as redzero.


:lol:rollin

This is from today.

You bring up a long debunked myth in a conversation that had nothing to do with Darwin or evolution:


Charles Darwin Became a Christian on His Deathbed and Renounced Evolution

Charles Darwin, the author of THE SPECIES BY MEANS OF NATURAL SELECTION in 1859 and the champion of evolution, renounced his evolutionary theory and became a Christian on his deathbed. This was reported by noblewoman Lady Hope who said she visited Darwin at his home in England at the close of his life. She described him as reading the book of Hebrews in the New Testament of the Bible. She also said that he regarded his writings about evolution to be questions that people made into a religion. Lady Hope said Darwin asked her to conduct a meeting outside a summer house he owned so he could hear the singing of the hymns.

I (along with others) call you out on it:


lol mouse using long debunked myths
lol lying asshole knows that that story is untrue, but he still posts it anyway

You, instead of addressing my post, attack Darwin:


My point exactly.

http://theapologeticsbookstore.com/images/products/detail/9781596980976.jpg

I ask you if you knew that the deathbed conversion story was false when you posted it:


Oh, so you admit you were lying?

You, in another lame attempt to be funny, criticize me instead of addressing my post. Classic mouse dodge:


When I said you was someone who brings good conversation to the topics a year ago.... yes, It was a Lie........ thank you for pointing it out.

I, again, ask you if you knew the story was false:


Again, were you lying when you brought up the deathbed conversion story? Stop dodging the question with your unfunny smack.

You dodge my question again, and then claim that I make stale, outdated comebacks on the very same page that you made stale, outdated comebacks:


You guys are on your own with DeadZero it's obvious he's a neglected 17 year old kid with no XBox searching for a friend on a message board.

have fun babysitting him and reading his stale outdated comebacks.

:rollin

You have to be the biggest hypocrite on this forum. :lmao

[RandomGuy]

Unless RandomLie is the name on your birth certificate your a TRoll also. In fact we are all TRolling.

Why is that so difficult for the little brains to comprehend?

You criticize an idea you don't even have the mental capacity to fully understand, if your posting here is to be believed.

I don't need my real name here to honestly state my beliefs. Neither should that be an impediment to you.

If you believe this stupid shit, whatever the fuck your name is, you are an idiot. That is my 100% real, non-trolling opinion.

The sad thing is that you can't even nut up and state clearly what you actually believe in.

[mouse]

You, instead of addressing my post, attack Darwin:





So you have his back Dawg?

(trying to lower the bar in intelligent debating)

[mouse]

You criticize an idea you don't even have the mental capacity to fully understand, if your posting here is to be believed.

Says who? You?

I don't see 30 posters disagreeing with me. .....Just you..... and your misguided drones in this topic who will one day regret following you through the gates of hell. Just think of the guilt trip you will have.






I don't need my real name here to honestly state my beliefs. Neither should that be an impediment to you.

Makes no sense and shows how desperate you are to find an early exit from this debate.





If you believe this stupid shit, whatever the fuck your name is, you are an idiot. That is my 100% real, non-trolling opinion.

Stage II of any meltdown.


The sad thing is that you can't even nut up and state clearly what you actually believe in.


And that is the Rub...you never asked me my personal opinions .....no one has....I just post evidence that clearly disproves Evolution and Calls out Lies in the Text books.

But that alone is more than you and others can Absorb at this stage in your life.



Psssssst! If you think I'll sit around as the world goes by
You're thinkin' like a fool cause it's a case of do or die
Out there is a fortune waitin' to be had
You think I'll let it go you're mad
You've got another thing comin'



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[Wild Cobra]

I don't see 30 posters disagreeing with me.
Maybe that's because most of us have given up on trying to set you strait.

[mouse]

Maybe that's because most of us have given up on trying to set you strait.

Link?

diT3FvDHMyo

[mouse]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/mouse-MIT.jpg

[mouse]

as promised....


17:22 / 42:40

http://www.wabcradio.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=37817&ID=2297308

When was the last time any of you called a live radio show?

[redzero]

So you have his back Dawg?

(trying to lower the bar in intelligent debating)

And of course, instead of addressing my post, you make lame joke.

:lol you complaining about people refusing to have an intelligent discussion, even though you keep proving that you are incapable of having one.

[mouse]

http://blogs.qc.cuny.edu/blogs/0209N0277/001/OTAY-Buckwheat.jpg

[Halberto]

OK, I'm convinced mouse has been trolling us. Well played, sir.

[redzero]

Well, what are we supposed to expect from a semiliterate bum in his 50's? It's quite obvious that mouse is uneducated and can't understand how science works (not that he really wants to anyway).

[Blake]

When was the last time any of you called a live radio show?

We all knew you are an attention whore even before you admitted here.

[mouse]

I was asked to be a guest on an upcoming show If I agree I will call out the ST politics forum. And many of you will be exposed (fair warning)

and you will Rack The Mouse.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/RTM-322/rtm-blue.gif

[Wild Cobra]

I was asked to be a guest on an upcoming show If I agree I will call out the ST politics forum. And many of you will be exposed (fair warning)

and you will Rack The Mouse.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/RTM-322/rtm-blue.gif

LOL...

really now...

[redzero]

I would love for mouse to direct people here, so they can find out just how retarded he is.

[Agloco]

And many of you will be exposed (fair warning)

Can't be worse than walking through a backscatter scanner tbh.

[mouse]

LOL...

really now...

you want to be part of a live on air debate?

[mouse]

http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/fell/images/insects/cricket2c.jpg

[Halberto]

mouse, why don't you go Amish if science is such bullshit?

[Blake]

I was asked to be a guest on an upcoming show If I agree I will call out the ST politics forum. And many of you will be exposed (fair warning)

and you will Rack The Mouse.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/RTM-322/rtm-blue.gif


We all knew you are an attention whore even before you admitted here.

[mouse]

I waited 4 hours hours not one of you called in...

[Wild Cobra]

I waited 4 hours hours not one of you called in...
What does that tell you?

[LnGrrrR]

Good thing science didn't produce the computer that Mouse types on. :lol

[Blake]

I waited 4 hours hours not one of you called in...

I imagine that there are many nights like that in the whoring business if the whore is not attractive.

[mouse]

As promised.

11:18 / 43:24 Mark


http://www.wabcradio.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=37817&ID=2350693

[JoeChalupa]

Thanks for the link

[Heat Miser]

Is this shit real? :lmao

[mouse]

As promised.
:toast
11:18 / 43:24 Mark


http://www.wabcradio.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=37817&ID=2350693

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/CheckmateProper.jpg/350px-CheckmateProper.jpg

[Heat Miser]

Just finished ready all pages my vote for Topic of the year!

[Hermey]

My vote top 5 topics of 2011

[redzero]

I agree, mouse. This thread great because everybody in it clowned you.

[mouse]

My vote top 5 topics of 2011

Maybe at the MIT forums where people have the mental capacity to adsorb my wisdom.

[Blake]

I almost think you misspelled absorb on purpose

[redzero]

The guy dropped out of middle school. Give him a break.

[Heat Miser]

Red Zero Rocks!

[mouse]

I almost think you misspelled absorb on purpose

blame Firefox spell check


:wakeup

[mouse]

Can't be worse than walking through a backscatter scanner tbh.

could you elaborate?

[Agloco]

could you elaborate?

Sure,

What is the dose that someone receives from walking through such a device? How does one go about calculating it? What is the dose ratio and what are the long term biologic effects from being scanned as opposed to, say, sitting on the subsequent flight from New York to LA?

Thanks in advance for your lucid answer.

[JoeChalupa]

Huh?

[Heat Miser]

Sure,

What is the dose that someone receives from walking through such a device? How does one go about calculating it? What is the dose ratio and what are the long term biologic effects from being scanned as opposed to, say, sitting on the subsequent flight from New York to LA?

Thanks in advance for your lucid answer.

You need to back away a bit from your radiation support you sound like a vacuum cleaner salesman you know radiation is bad admit it form time to time so we can take you seriously.

[mouse]

Sure,

What is the dose that someone receives from walking through such a device? How does one go about calculating it? What is the dose ratio and what are the long term biologic effects from being scanned as opposed to, say, sitting on the subsequent flight from New York to LA?

Thanks in advance for your lucid answer.

I have a question for professor Googleitall

How many Bananas does one have to eat in order to duplicate that same radiation exposure?

[Agloco]

Huh?

:lol

Let's have another beer Joe. We can discuss it.


You need to back away a bit from your radiation support you sound like a vacuum cleaner salesman you know radiation is bad admit it form time to time so we can take you seriously.

Newsflash: Radiation is bad.

Now I ask you: What levels are bad for you? This is the crux of the discussion.

Read a few studies:

http://www.probeinternational.org/Ramsar.pdf

http://journals.lww.com/health-physics/Abstract/2009/01000/Background_Radiation_and_Cancer_Incidence_in.8.asp x

http://www.barc.ernet.in/publications/nl/2010/2010030405.pdf


I have a question for professor Googleitall

How many Bananas does one have to eat in order to duplicate that same radiation exposure?

Well let's see what "Professor Google-it-all" came up with..............

Dose from a banana: Approximately .078 uSv

Dose on a one-way trip from JFK to LAX: Approximately 20 uSv

Dose from a single backscatter scan: Approximately .09 uSv

So according to sources that anyone can access if they bothered, you might want to fear bananas almost as much as those scanners. One might also think twice before cavorting about the country on jetliners.

.......yet we don't see banana stock crashing or people taking to the nearest Greyhound terminals. We do, however, see a mild hysteria regarding those scanners. Interesting logic, wouldn't you agree?

Just for giggles, you are irradiating yourself right now mouse.......yeap that's right. Your body contains radioactive potassium which is in homeostasis (means the dose rate is more or less constant). You get roughly 149 uSv per year just from that. For those wondering, that's about 1900 bananas.

lol stoned to death with bananas

[Borat Sagyidev]

:lol

Let's have another beer Joe. We can discuss it.



Newsflash: Radiation is bad.

Now I ask you: What levels are bad for you? This is the crux of the discussion.

Read a few studies:

http://www.probeinternational.org/Ramsar.pdf

http://journals.lww.com/health-physics/Abstract/2009/01000/Background_Radiation_and_Cancer_Incidence_in.8.asp x

http://www.barc.ernet.in/publications/nl/2010/2010030405.pdf



Well let's see what "Professor Google-it-all" came up with..............

Dose from a banana: Approximately .078 uSv

Dose on a one-way trip from JFK to LAX: Approximately 20 uSv

Dose from a single backscatter scan: Approximately .09 uSv

So according to sources that anyone can access if they bothered, you might want to fear bananas almost as much as those scanners. One might also think twice before cavorting about the country on jetliners.

.......yet we don't see banana stock crashing or people taking to the nearest Greyhound terminals. We do, however, see a mild hysteria regarding those scanners. Interesting logic, wouldn't you agree?

Just for giggles, you are irradiating yourself right now mouse.......yeap that's right. Your body contains radioactive potassium which is in homeostasis (means the dose rate is more or less constant). You get roughly 149 uSv per year just from that. For those wondering, that's about 1900 bananas.

lol stoned to death with bananas

You lost me at the backscatter x-ray part. All of those exposures are very low but they are all different.

You really shouldn't compare those subjective values. But for these geniuses, I guess you can.

Backscatter x-ray scanners have a very soft spectrum that has very localized dose to the skin. Whereas all of those other background levels sans air travelers are largely whole body doses.

That .09 uSv body dose is more like 9 uSv to the skin and higher when you consider localization. Over the course of 20 years and getting scanned every 4-5 out of 7 days that 9uSv can add up to 50 mSv or 5 Rem, still pretty low, but not as much. Not surprising, pilots protested having to be scanned...and they won.

The elite rad physicists at DHS apply the .01 / 1% skin weighting factor and call it a day and promote it as safe. That factor was established largely due to the uncertainty of skin exposures especially with attribution of skin cancer from sun exposure.

A lot of studies now are showing correlation of skin cancer to ionizing radiation, including with airline professionals and pilots.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16238450

Personally, I don't think we should subject the air travel public to that. Let alone the privacy concerns.

The millimeter wave scanners do a better job anyway, and the only negative effects people can show are in unused terahertz range.

.

In regards to the bananas and background levels. We've been around for millions (thousands for some people) and have dealt with it pretty well, as those studies show. You might as well build a underground bunker, mass spec the radioactive potassium out of your diet intake and filter radon from the air to live radiation exposure free.

There is a place to be concerned and a place to make fun of crazy people calling into radio shows.

[Agloco]

You lost me at the backscatter x-ray part. All of those exposures are very low but they are all different.

You really shouldn't compare those subjective values. But for these geniuses, I guess you can.

Backscatter x-ray scanners have a very soft spectrum that has very localized dose to the skin. Whereas all of those other background levels sans air travelers are largely whole body doses.

That .09 uSv body dose is more like 9 uSv to the skin and higher when you consider localization. Over the course of 20 years and getting scanned every 4-5 out of 7 days that 9uSv can add up to 50 mSv or 5 Rem, still pretty low, but not as much. Not surprising, pilots protested having to be scanned...and they won.

The elite rad physicists at DHS apply the .01 / 1% skin weighting factor and call it a day and promote it as safe. That factor was established largely due to the uncertainty of skin exposures especially with attribution of skin cancer from sun exposure.

A lot of studies now are showing correlation of skin cancer to ionizing radiation, including with airline professionals and pilots.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16238450

Personally, I don't think we should subject the air travel public to that. Let alone the privacy concerns.

The millimeter wave scanners do a better job anyway, and the only negative effects people can show are in unused terahertz range.

:tu

Yes my explanation purposefully assumed risk to whole body for all of those metrics to avoid further confusion (I figured you and a handful of others would understand why I did this). I'd estimate that the skin does get about 9 uGy from these scanners. Still much lower than the annual limits, even for many scans. I'd also hasten to say that while dmax is at the skin surface for a backscatter scanner, the depth dose profile still shows 60% at a depth of 2cm (this for a 50kvp beam, closed field). In fact, a significant proportion of dose is still present (10%) at 4cm. Dose is not as highly localized as some advertise (but also not whole body as you aptly point out). The truth is somewhere in the middle. Here is a good article for folks to read:

http://www.telmarc.com/White%20Papers/81%20Backscatter.pdf

This explains the physics, radio-biology and molecular bio behind the scanner concerns. Not exactly impartial, but the science is valid.

The real unfortunate thing about these scanners is that the FDA will not release their test results. If they did this, it would go a long way to assuaging fears over the technology (or confirming them......). I'd really like to see some numbers from them.

As for millimetere wave tech, if shown to be as effective in detecting foreign substances, then by all means that should be the first line scan. I believe I've state this in some prior threads.

[mouse]

Well let's see what "Professor Google-it-all" came up with..............

Dose from a banana: Approximately .078 uSv

Dose on a one-way trip from JFK to LAX: Approximately 20 uSv

Dose from a single backscatter scan: Approximately .09 uSv

So according to sources that anyone can access if they bothered, you might want to fear bananas almost as much as those scanners. One might also think twice before cavorting about the country on jetliners.

.......yet we don't see banana stock crashing or people taking to the nearest Greyhound terminals. We do, however, see a mild hysteria regarding those scanners. Interesting logic, wouldn't you agree?

Just for giggles, you are irradiating yourself right now mouse.......yeap that's right. Your body contains radioactive potassium which is in homeostasis (means the dose rate is more or less constant). You get roughly 149 uSv per year just from that. For those wondering, that's about 1900 bananas.

lol stoned to death with bananas


Solid take my man!

:toast

[mouse]

Still can't believe how retarded that was.

BTW mouse they do know how Stone Henge was built.

Who is they?

[mouse]

Snails mouse? Got into a dime bag full of hocus pocus again?

Prove me wrong.

[mouse]

and of course, instead of addressing my post, you make lame joke.

:lol you complaining about people refusing to have an intelligent discussion, even though you keep proving that you are incapable of having one.

rack!

[GSH]

I usually only talk basketball. I've dropped in on this political forum a few times lately. This place is a fucking zoo. Honestly, I don't know whether to laugh, or board up all my windows and doors.

[mouse]

This place is a fucking zoo.

A Zoo is a place to take your family.

[Blake]

I usually only talk basketball. I've dropped in on this political forum a few times lately. This place is a fucking zoo. Honestly, I don't know whether to laugh, or board up all my windows and doors.

Funny, I usually find the Spurs forum to be more of a zoo. The NBA forum is a jungle.

[RandomGuy]

I usually only talk basketball. I've dropped in on this political forum a few times lately. This place is a fucking zoo. Honestly, I don't know whether to laugh, or board up all my windows and doors.

You should laugh *while* boarding up the windows and doors.

All we need now is the "chemtrails" thread.

It occasionally gets civil and interesting.

[mouse]

Funny, I usually find the Spurs forum to be more of a zoo. The NBA forum is a jungle.

^ Post of the month!

:lmao

[mouse]

:tu

Yes my explanation purposefully assumed risk to whole body for all of those metrics to avoid further confusion (I figured you and a handful of others would understand why I did this). I'd estimate that the skin does get about 9 uGy from these scanners. Still much lower than the annual limits, even for many scans. I'd also hasten to say that while dmax is at the skin surface for a backscatter scanner, the depth dose profile still shows 60% at a depth of 2cm (this for a 50kvp beam, closed field). In fact, a significant proportion of dose is still present (10%) at 4cm. Dose is not as highly localized as some advertise (but also not whole body as you aptly point out). The truth is somewhere in the middle. Here is a good article for folks to read:

http://www.telmarc.com/White%20Papers/81%20Backscatter.pdf

This explains the physics, radio-biology and molecular bio behind the scanner concerns. Not exactly impartial, but the science is valid.

The real unfortunate thing about these scanners is that the FDA will not release their test results. If they did this, it would go a long way to assuaging fears over the technology (or confirming them......). I'd really like to see some numbers from them.

As for millimetere wave tech, if shown to be as effective in detecting foreign substances, then by all means that should be the first line scan. I believe I've state this in some prior threads.

[mouse]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193089


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/th_lost-chips.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/?action=view&current=lost-chips.mp4)

[redzero]

What does that have to do with anything?

[Wild Cobra]

What does that have to do with anything?
Mouse thinks he can beat the statistics, but the statistics did a funny thing by having a few encounters on the outside of the bell curve.

[mouse]

I was drinking and posted in the wrong thread.

You would think all you "Science" salad tossers in here would know this, it's not rocket....

[Halberto]

God dammit mouse is reaching lakaluva trolling status

[redzero]

I was drinking and posted in the wrong thread.

You would think all you "Science" salad tossers in here would know this, it's not rocket....

What thread were you trying to post that in?

[mouse]

Sure,

What is the dose that someone receives from walking through such a device? How does one go about calculating it? What is the dose ratio and what are the long term biologic effects from being scanned as opposed to, say, sitting on the subsequent flight from New York to LA?

Thanks in advance for your lucid answer.


What do you really have against a radioactive free planet?

[Facts]

Go to the 33:25 of 43:36 Mark

http://www.wabcradio.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=37817&ID=2274708

I would rather gouge my eyes out with a spoon than listen to that.

[Facts]

What do you really have against a radioactive free planet?

Radioactivity is contantly present on our planet in a variety of forms.

I would however, like a "free planet". PM me for a location to send it.

[mouse]

What thread were you trying to post that in?

good question.....

maybe this one..

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=14592471&posted=1#post14592471

[mouse]

Radioactivity is contantly present on our planet in a variety of forms.

I would however, like a "free planet". PM me for a location to send it.

Psssssst! that was already covered on page one of any radiation topic.

My question was personal.

I want to know why this taint sniffer is so Pro-Radiation.

[mouse]

God dammit mouse is reaching lakaluva trolling status

why would I lower the bar do to that?