How can Duncan be that bad?

[gocanes719]

Duncan was the worst player on our team tonight. All of the players that have been carrying us are not showing up. Horry got scored on at will in the first half, Mohammed had stone hands all night, Ginobili never showed up and now may be at half speed and Duncan was nauseating the whole night. If we are going to get a game in Detroit we have to bring a lot more than this. :spin

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You must not have been watching the Spurs very long.

Whenever Duncan gets beat on by the opposing defense, he tucks his tail between his legs and hides.

[50 cent]

Fucking Pathetic. :td

[TMSKILZ]

This series is over, it's D-DAY!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's over if Detroit keeps playing Tim physical.

Tim and physical defense go together like oil and water.

[gocanes719]

I have been watching the Spurs my whole life, this is the Finals and Duncan isn't a first team NBA player for being a puss.

[combs84]

Duncan simply got D'd up tonight. I was suprised that even Antonio Mcdyess was Owning him, size difference and all.

[SouthernFried]

Stupid thread.

Manu was the worst player tonite.

[tsb2000]

What was it B-Wallace said after game one? Oh yes, "Won't happen again." :)

[gocanes719]

Stupid thread.

Manu was the worst player tonite.


Your Crazy and a moron. Manu had an excuse, what was Tim's?

[N.Y. Johnny]

this is an outrage!!! damn it!

[Sense]

Duncan was soft today....but they never let him play today....

Not counting fouls....and offensive fouls.

You can't do anything when this happens..

[Summers]

Your Crazy and a moron. Manu had an excuse, what was Tim's?

His ankles are still hurting him more than most people realize, I think. Pop mentioned just a couple days ago that both his ankles are painful, plus they tape the shit out of them for games (which answers someone else's question about his elevation). He didn't put up a typical Duncan performance, but it pisses me off that we take him for granted so much that people bitch when he "only" scores 14 points.

[gocanes719]

The 14 points isn't what bothers me. It is his body language, and his defense that sucked. He didn't play like an MVP and a leader should. We all know the Spurs go as he goes and he went to hell in a handbasket tonight.

[boutons]

"he "only" scores 14 points"

... on 15 shots. THAT's what sucks.

Malone played him tough in May04 and we lose 4 straight. Pistons front him and play him tough, he's totally neutralized.

[Browns_shadow]

When Detroit does play defense, they are a championship caliber team, when they don't, well game1 & 2 happen. With Ben and Dice overplaying Tim like tonight, there will be adjustments to how and where he'll get the ball in the post in game 4. Not to worry!!
Spurs are :king

[dbreiden83080]

i want to hear from all of you haters when Timmy puts up 28 and 15 in game 4 and they go up 3-1 come talk smack on the board then, geez one bad game and all you frontrunning spurs fans are killing Timmy try being supportive without him we are just an average team so chill out.

[MadDog73]

Wow. I can't believe so many "fans" are ready to get rid of Timmy.

A week ago he was everyone's top pick in an imaginary "draft" over Shaq!

Would you guys take Shaq over Tim now? Or Ben Wallace?

[infinite styles]

Can we officially put this in the "Shut the Fuck Up!" forum?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Look, one of the constants of Tim Duncan's career has been that if you rough him up with physical play, he defers to the jump shot and starts playing soft.

this is a fact. No one is bagging on the guy, he's an amazing player. But when someone brings the fight to him, all too often he backs off, like he did tonight.

That doesn't make anyone an ass. It doesn't mean people should eat shit and die about it. Some of you do, however, need to accept the fact that Duncan shies away from physical play.

[SouthernFried]

Bullshit.

Duncan didn't shy away from anything. He kept taking it strong...AND getting it blocked. But, he didn't, and doesn't shy away from the physical play.

[infinite styles]

No one is bagging on the guy

How do you go from critisizing the man to saying that nobody is bagging the guy. Wow thats an amazing talent. First of all everybody played shitty except for Parker and he wasn't that great. But for people to come in here and call Duncan a pussy and all after they get outplayed is just plain wack. You don't win 2 championships, 2 finals mvp's and 2 league mvp's by being a pussy...just ask Ray Allen and Vince Carter. So to call the team out for their crappy play is one thing but to call Tim Duncan a pussy that runs and hides is falling off the deep end. Calm yourself and breathe easy boy boy! :smokin

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Did you watch the fucking game? Duncan's shot selection in quarters 2-4 was nothing but jump shots or weak one handed fadeaway runners. When Duncan is shooting a 22 foot jump shot he is not being aggressive.

Hell, McDyess got physical with him and instead of treating Antonio like the punk ass bitch role player he is, Duncan went to the fadeaway 18 ft. baseline jumper, and missed all three.

Portland (with Sheed) used to do the same thing to Tim. It's the same thing Karl Malone did to Tim last year in the LA series.

Watch some fucking ball and get a clue. I love Duncan, but his one fault is when teams rough him up he generally pusses out and shoots jumpers.

[JamStone]

Tim did not have a strong game tonight. Even as a Piston fan, I can concede that the Pistons got a favorable whistle tonight. And, Tim did have a couple tough calls on him. I'm sure it got him frustrated, as demonstrated by the technical foul.

Ben and McDyess were especially physical with Tim. And, he did allow that to make him a jumpshooter at stretches during the game. But, then again, he made a couple of them.

I think Timmy will be fine. He's such a great player. As a Detroiter, I'd love to see him struggle again, and hope the Piston forward keep bodying him up and bring the energy to block some of his shots. But, I don't see Tim playing that poorly again.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm sorry infinite. Duncan had the most beautiful 5 for 15 game I've ever seen. We should all be proud of the fact that offensive non-entity Ben fucking Wallace outscored him.

Damn that guy's good.

Look, Duncan is the best player in the game. But tonight he played like shit, and he played scared. I'm sorry you all are too busy kissing his ass 24-7 to realize it.

[milkyway21]

damn, i just can't believe Manu sucked tonight, 6 TOs & then 2/3 defenders concentrated on Tim then almost everybody starts whining and bashing Duncan again. Is Duncan a Superman?

to all of you non-believers..........don't raise your flags if the spurs win the title and all. You simply don't deserve it.

were you expecting a sweep?

if then, you are :idiot

[Sense]

Did you watch the fucking game? Duncan's shot selection in quarters 2-4 was nothing but jump shots or weak one handed fadeaway runners. When Duncan is shooting a 22 foot jump shot he is not being aggressive.

Hell, McDyess got physical with him and instead of treating Antonio like the punk ass bitch role player he is, Duncan went to the fadeaway 18 ft. baseline jumper, and missed all three.

Portland (with Sheed) used to do the same thing to Tim. It's the same thing Karl Malone did to Tim last year in the LA series.

Watch some fucking ball and get a clue. I love Duncan, but his one fault is when teams rough him up he generally pusses out and shoots jumpers.



Personally I think the fouls got them fucked..

if you don't get calls ur way, and you get offensive fouls..

You practically can't do anything...and that's what happened to Duncan And Ginobili..


Stop dissing the Spurs.. it's a 7 game series.

[infinite styles]

Yes he started shooting outside jumpers in the game but what do you expect him to do when there are three shot blockers just chillin in the lane and your not getting the calls. C'mon buddy, if he would have kept taking it in you would have been on here writiting "Why doesn't Tim take a few jumpers to clear up the lane?" He had a shitty game but he does not shy away from physical play. If anything he tries to find ways to get his game going when his first option is taken away. To be honest the ball wasn't swung around enough to get the lane open for him to operate. He's not Shaq so he's not going to knock people over when matched up. Detroit sagged in the lane and the guards and forwards got in trouble by trying to force passes inside instead of swinging it around to get open looks, that makes your big men come out for the ball and puts them in positions that you really don't want them in. So why don't you watch some ball and get a damn clue. Adjustments will be made and Duncan will once again be in your good graces.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

what do you expect him to do when there are three shot blockers just chillin in the lane

Pass the ball to someone who was apparently wide open?

[infinite styles]

Pass the ball to someone who was apparently wide open?

You must have watched the game with limo tint glasses on. NOBODY got open they all pretty much either sat there or brought their man to the lane.

[milkyway21]

okay guys, let be serious.

Tim in my opinion was communicating well with Barry with his early passes/assists then Brent converted with 2 3s.
i just don't understand why Pops got Brent out and stopped that good setplay?

Brent could have sub-in for Manu who was slightly injured then.

[SouthernFried]

How does a guy, who's just shooting outside shots...gets his shot blocked 3 or 4 times going to the hole?

Watch the freakin' game.

Duncan went in strong...but, he has no elevation and kept getting his shit blocked. Blocked, inside...not outside. Meaning, one more time....THAT HE WENT TO THE HOLE!.

:bang

And Yes, he shot from the outside too...he always does...because he CAN!

And I agree...Barry shoulda been in there a lot more.

[AFE7FATMAN]

TD reminded me a lot of DRob tonight. Play him physical and he will go outside and
brick shots from 12ft+

[infinite styles]

okay guys, let be serious.

Tim in my opinion was communicating well with Barry with his early passes/assists then Brent converted with 2 3s.
i just don't understand why Pops got Brent out and stopped that good setplay?

Brent could have sub-in for Manu who was slightly injured then.

Brent filled in good for a while but there should have been some adjustments made during the game to get duncan better position down low like some screens on the block or something. Whatever happened to that play that they used to run with him and DRob when either one would have set a high screen for the other and slipped it for an alley oop?

[TwoHandJam]

Duncan had a very bad game. Period. I'm sure he'll bounce back but that was really a stinker and very atypical for him. He seemed to have even less lift than he's had since his ankle problems. Couple that with Manu's stinker and that spells a loss. Luckily we still have two more chances to steal a game.

[itzsoweezee]

TD reminded me a lot of DRob tonight. Play him physical and he will go outside and
brick shots from 12ft+

he's not shaq you know. he can't just run people over. if the refs aren't calling fouls on the other side, there's not much else he can do. especially w/ two bad ankles.

[TDfan2007]

Your Crazy and a moron. Manu had an excuse, what was Tim's?

2 bad ankles.... idiot.

[TDfan2007]

All of you people who hate on Tim when he has a bad game usually don't acknowledge it when he has a good game. Just :stfu . Tim didn't get any calls in the paint unless the foul was COMPLETELY obvious. But his D was sub-par, I'll give you guys that.

P.S. Manu played even worse than Tim so why isn't anyone bitching about his 7 points and 6 turnovers.

Turnovers killed us this game, and Manu and Tony had 10 of our 18 turnovers. You guys are bitching about the wrong problem.

[Nikos]

Sorry but Tim was even worse than Manu (as bad as he was), when you take 15 shots and end up with 14pts, thats pretty bad for a guy who is your best player. He took some weak shots and played just as bad on D. He got out muscled. He was even missing open guys.

I expect a lot better from Duncan the rest of the series. He needs to produce, REGARDLESS of what anyone else does.

[Wallace ²]

The Pistons will play a lot more physical with him at home than they will on the road, so we better hope the Pistons win the next 2 before Timmy can get confortable again. IMO Ben should be guarding Duncan and Sheed guarding Horry or Nazr. Duncan likes to stay down low and so does Ben. Sheed likes to stay on the perimeter and so does Horry for the most part. I missed the first half today because of class but I think this could be favorable early on atleast to get Tim out of rythym

[TheTruth]

This thread is freaking hilarious. Hating on TIMMY DUNCAN? You all must be :drunk. EVERYONE had a bad game. Not just Tim. Give him the ball at every opportunity next game. He's going for 35/20. Count on it.

[ambchang]

Yeah, let's start the trade Duncan threads! His play's so pathetic, he willed Ginobili into 7 points of his own, and let Hamilton scored at will, and made the bench sucked, and ....
Come on people, Detroit played great defense on him, and the reason is because the Spurs we not aggressive on the attack, they allowed the Pistons to rotate on defense because they didn't set good screens, because they didn't read the angles. And they sucked on D because they can't get a rebound.
BTW, Barry played alright today, so did Parker. The Pistons were playing well above their heads, and it was close until the last 8 or so minutes. But then the Pistons do that all the time, keep the game close, then blow it open in the final seconds.

[TheTruth]

Yeah, let's start the trade Duncan threads! His play's so pathetic, he willed Ginobili into 7 points of his own, and let Hamilton scored at will, and made the bench sucked, and ....
Come on people, Detroit played great defense on him, and the reason is because the Spurs we not aggressive on the attack, they allowed the Pistons to rotate on defense because they didn't set good screens, because they didn't read the angles. And they sucked on D because they can't get a rebound.
BTW, Barry played alright today, so did Parker. The Pistons were playing well above their heads, and it was close until the last 8 or so minutes. But then the Pistons do that all the time, keep the game close, then blow it open in the final seconds.

Agree with most of what you said. Except, I don't think the Pistons played over their heads. They are a damn good team, and most of what happened yesterday was because of their good play.

[angel_luv]

Timmy always pushes through adversity. That is what has made him a champion in the past and will make him one again.

I have complete confidence in Timmy and the team. Spurs in five, baby!

[gocanes719]

2 bad ankles.... idiot.


Maybe I am wrong but Tim has had bad ankles for weeks now and has elevated his game on many occasions. Manu got hurt in the first quarter and by his admission his leg was cold and stiff. Who is the idiot? This was another poor game for Duncan just like the Seattle game. He showed nothing including the will to win.

[Jelly]

damn, i just can't believe Manu sucked tonight, 6 TOs & then 2/3 defenders concentrated on Tim then almost everybody starts whining and bashing Duncan again. Is Duncan a Superman?

to all of you non-believers..........don't raise your flags if the spurs win the title and all. You simply don't deserve it.

were you expecting a sweep?

if then, you are :idiot

I found this board yesterday and can't believe how harsh these "Spurs fans" are when our guys have a bad night. Talk about fair weather friends.
You're right, these jerks don't deserve to be Spurs fans.

[TheTruth]

Maybe I am wrong but Tim has had bad ankles for weeks now and has elevated his game on many occasions. Manu got hurt in the first quarter and by his admission his leg was cold and stiff. Who is the idiot? This was another poor game for Duncan just like the Seattle game. He showed nothing including the will to win.
STFU! Why is it that Duncan showed nothing? Why can't it be that the Pistons shut him down? The whole offense was out of whack, no just Duncan. They had a good game plan, they played him very well. He WILL adjust and he WILL have a huge game tonight. Damn.

[ginobme]

Spurs will come back focused and determined. That game wasn't ours to steal. Detroit, with all their confetti and celebrations for winning one game will be flat in game 4. They fed off of a must win situation, frenzied crowd, and stevie wonders harmonica playing. That type of energy won't be there in game 4. We all know how well Duncan responds after an off game and this team will follow his lead. This next one is our game to steal.

[gocanes719]

STFU! Why is it that Duncan showed nothing? Why can't it be that the Pistons shut him down?

I am wondering why he showed nothing myself. I think it is a lot more that he didn't come to play then the Pistons putting it on him. The Pistons don't play defense for him. Oh by the way, you STFU, I have a right to my opinion and watch as many Spurs games as you do.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

His play's so pathetic, he willed Ginobili into 7 points of his own, and let Hamilton scored at will, and made the bench sucked, and ....

No one is criticizing him for Ginobili's play or the bench or what not. Silly ass straw man argument.

The focus and thrust of this thread is that the two-time Finals MVP looked like Hedo Turkoglu last night.

If Tim Duncan can't out-score offensive non-entity Ben Wallace, this team is in trouble.