Cain denies report of Sexual Harassment [Archive] - Page 2

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 03:29 AM

Did she say she has a 13 year old son?

July 1997?

You know, her story is something bad for Cain being married, but even by her statement, he never pushed. She needed a job, was going there to ask him a favor, and booked a hotel room to meet him... maybe she intentionally or accidentally lead him on... That's assuming her story is even true.

Is Cain being swift boated?

Again, we really don't know the truth. Unless something factual comes out worse than this, at worse, this is and attempt to cheat on his wife.

ChumpDumper

11-08-2011, 03:31 AM

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 03:32 AM

This is also considered sexual harasment by some:

http://data5.blog.de/media/301/3672301_26b7795db1_m.jpg

ChumpDumper

11-08-2011, 03:33 AM

This is also considered sexual harasment by some:

http://data5.blog.de/media/301/3672301_26b7795db1_m.jpgSee what I mean?

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 03:34 AM

You are the worst kind of partisan hack.

Yep, I'm pretty bad at being a hack, because I'm not one.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 03:35 AM

Is Cain being swift boated?There's no PAC (i.e, any analogue to the Swift Boat Vets for Truth) involved, so no.

ChumpDumper

11-08-2011, 03:35 AM

Yep, I'm pretty bad at being a hack, because I'm not one.And you can't understand English.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 03:42 AM

Was WC around here in 2004? Hard to imagine he thought swift boating was a bad thing the first time around.

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 03:46 AM

Was WC around here in 2004? Hard to imagine he thought swift boating was a bad thing the first time around.
My example compares with that those stories sounded so real at the time, but were later shown they were very unlikely true. These stories are starting to sound real, but what if they aren't?

The law requires benefit of doubt before being judged guilty. Now that doesn't apply to our opinions, but wouldn't we be better people if we tried to live that way?

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 03:48 AM

See what I mean?
I'm not showing this example for partisan reasons. I dislike Obama and I like McCain. I don't care about D's or R's. I care about L's and C's, and who I think makes the better fit in the oval office, and Cain is a little more oval than Obama.

ChumpDumper

11-08-2011, 03:49 AM

My example compares with that those stories sounded so real at the time, but were later shown they were very unlikely true. These stories are starting to sound real, but what if they aren't?

The law requires benefit of doubt before being judged guilty. Now that doesn't apply to our opinions, but wouldn't we be better people if we tried to live that way when it suits our political agendas?Finished your thought.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 03:50 AM

These stories are starting to sound real, but what if they aren't?We'll never know to a legal certainty b/c the statute of limitations has elapsed for all four accusers. All we have to go on is our own opinions.

ChumpDumper

11-08-2011, 03:51 AM

I'm not showing this example for partisan reasons. I dislike Obama and I like McCain. I don't care about D's or R's. I care about L's and C's, and who I think makes the better fit in the oval office, and Cain is a little more oval than Obama.Like I said, the worst kind.

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 03:52 AM

We'll never know to a legal certainty b/c the statute of limitations has elapsed for all four accusers. All we have to go on is our own opinions.
It seems to me... and yes, I could be wrong... that Cain is not being taken out by facts, so fiction may be the tool to take him out.

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 03:52 AM

Like I said, the worst kind.
Few people are worse than you Chump. You are the master baiter of this forum.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 03:54 AM

It seems to me... and yes, I could be wrong... that Cain is not being taken out by facts, so fiction may be the tool to take him out.All four ladies are lying, in your opinion?

ChumpDumper

11-08-2011, 03:54 AM

Few people are worse than you Chump. You are the master baiter of this forum.You are one of the few.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 04:02 AM

So then, Cain gets a pass from WC because the the truth of the accusations against him (Cain) are not knowable to a legal certainty, but his own belief that Cain's accusers are lying can be asserted on mere fiat, even though this is just as far from being legally provable.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 04:05 AM

preaches water, drinks wine

LnGrrrR

11-08-2011, 04:10 AM

What a surprise that WC gives the benefit of the doubt to a conservative.

If this were aimed at a Democrat, do you think you'd give them the same leeway WC?

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 04:31 AM

What a surprise that WC gives the benefit of the doubt to a conservative.

If this were aimed at a Democrat, do you think you'd give them the same leeway WC?
A conservative democrat... Yes.

A liberal republican... No.

We are all biased to some degree or another. We all to one degree or another will propagate good or bad ideas upon those we like or dislike.

Again, this has nothing to do along party lines. It has to do with liberal or conservative views.

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 04:33 AM

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 04:38 AM

The fourth woman essentially accuses Cain of unwanted sexual contact. It's the most serious of the allegations so far.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 04:41 AM

Unwanted sexual contact is misdemeanor-level sexual assault, a much worse charge than sexual harassment, which is usually a civil matter.

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 04:41 AM

The fourth woman essentially accuses Cain of unwanted sexual contact. It's the most serious of the allegations so far.
So he pulled a high school date stunt. As soon as she indicated she didn't want such contact, he backed off... Right or wrong, by her account?

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 04:44 AM

No. He then tried to force her to go down on him. (allegedly)

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 04:44 AM

After that, he backed off.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 04:48 AM

So then, unwanted groping, plus trying to push her head into his lap while saying

You do want a job, don't you?

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 04:50 AM

But after that Cain backed off, so it's really no big deal.

Misdemeanor sexual assault barely rises, like you suggested, to the level of a high school prank.

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 04:50 AM

Unwanted sexual contact is misdemeanor-level sexual assault, a much worse charge than sexual harassment, which is usually a civil matter.
Hmmm...

So, "toward my genitals," without touching them, is contact?

Wow... You consider that a misdemeanor?

Look, if this is true, it was definitely a classless move. Something I expect more than half the people here would do with a chick date in a car.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 04:51 AM

Wow... You consider that a misdemeanor?Yes. Unwanted sexual contact is a crime.

LnGrrrR

11-08-2011, 04:52 AM

A conservative democrat... Yes.

A liberal republican... No.

We are all biased to some degree or another. We all to one degree or another will propagate good or bad ideas upon those we like or dislike.

Again, this has nothing to do along party lines. It has to do with liberal or conservative views.

I think myself and many other commentators on these boards would say that you are extremely biased to one side. You'd admit it yourself if you would compare posts you've read regarding liberals in scandals vs conservatives in scandals.

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 04:54 AM

I think myself and many other commentators on these boards would say that you are extremely biased to one side. You'd admit it yourself if you would compare posts you've read regarding liberals in scandals vs conservatives in scandals.
Don't forget I have said I generally either spoil my vote on a third party, or vote republican. The reason is I cannot stand most democrats because most democrats are liberals.

I am not pro republican.

I am anti democrat.

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 04:54 AM

Yes. Unwanted sexual contact is a crime.
That was not sexual contact.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 04:55 AM

So, "toward my genitals," without touching them, is contact?Yes. Groping is contact.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 04:57 AM

That was not sexual contact.Not even with the context of trying to force her to go down on him while suggesting her job might depend on it?

How magnanimous of you.

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 05:01 AM

Yes. Groping is contact.
Yes, he touched her. Are you saying he bade it that far?

Again, if her account is true, I'd like to see something that defines what he did as illegal, rather than just poor judgement.

ChumpDumper

11-08-2011, 05:07 AM

So he pulled a high school date stunt. As soon as she indicated she didn't want such contact, he backed off... Right or wrong, by her account?The worst kind.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 05:15 AM

I'm not saying he touched her thing, or that he made her touch his. Perhaps it doesn't rise to the level of sexual assault, but it is almost surely sexual harassment.

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 06:11 AM

I'm not saying he touched her thing, or that he made her touch his. Perhaps it doesn't rise to the level of sexual assault, but it is almost surely sexual harassment.
OK, I can accept some of that. However, let your bias go for a minute, and think outside the box, of the "what ifs."

One example.

What if these two had an affair some time earlier. Maybe moths ago, maybe years. What if they already knew each other intimately in the past. Maybe, from how she describes the events, Cain heard:

1) I'm coming to see you.

2) I have a hotel at the Hilton.

3) Where do you want to meet?

Now Cain upgrades the room, expecting a sexual encounter. Wines and dines her, then parks to make sure if he's wrong, he doesn't make a scene in public.

Do you think this is plausible?

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 06:14 AM

TheProfessor

11-08-2011, 06:52 AM

As for an alleged misdemeanor...

Cain caught Jaywalking... News at 11...

Equal by law, right? If a candidate ever was ticketed for jaywalking, should that be the end of his candicy?

Also, back to 1997, what ever law you find today, was it even such a law, or viewed the same in 1997?
Kind of depends on the misdemeanor, doesn't it? Assault Causing Bodily Injury with family violence designations and DWI 2nd's are also misdemeanors, both of which would give me pause if they were on a candidate's record, even an arrest.

I will say I have difficulty seeing any kind of "sexual assault" based on what's been rumored. At most, simple assault in the form of unwanted advances causing reasonable apprehension.

Warlord23

11-08-2011, 08:14 AM

OK, I can accept some of that. However, let your bias go for a minute, and think outside the box, of the "what ifs."

One example.

What if these two had an affair some time earlier. Maybe moths ago, maybe years. What if they already knew each other intimately in the past. Maybe, from how she describes the events, Cain heard:

1) I'm coming to see you.

2) I have a hotel at the Hilton.

3) Where do you want to meet?

Now Cain upgrades the room, expecting a sexual encounter. Wines and dines her, then parks to make sure if he's wrong, he doesn't make a scene in public.

Do you think this is plausible?

Let me add a few more likely "what if" scenarios:

1. What if she dressed like a whore, and Cain expected her to be open for service?

2. What if she exhibited the symptoms of a typical nymphomaniac, and Cain expected her to be in the mood?

3. What if she looked like the type of woman whose preferred form of greeting a man was to kneel and press her mouth against his genitals, and Cain expected to be greeted in this way?

I think you should email these brilliant suggestions to Cain. I can see the Tea Party buying all of those explanations.

boutons_deux

11-08-2011, 11:05 AM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/08/stewart-fox-news-loved-anonymous-sources-until-cain-scandal/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Agloco

11-08-2011, 11:07 AM

Deny deny deny.

9-9-9

lol lol lol

CuckingFunt

11-08-2011, 11:51 AM

Hmmm...

So, "toward my genitals," without touching them, is contact?

Wow... You consider that a misdemeanor?

Look, if this is true, it was definitely a classless move. Something I expect more than half the people here would do with a chick date in a car.

Pretty sure a hand on the back of the head is contact.

Winehole23

11-08-2011, 11:58 AM

It might not hold up as "sexual contact" in court.

ElNono

11-08-2011, 12:24 PM

Still :downspin: this shit?

scott

11-08-2011, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Typical Wild Cobra Post

I wonder if <victim> were <improbable circumstance> to <cause my incredibly stupid position to be valid>.

Jesus, in the exact same thread!

scott

11-08-2011, 12:40 PM

But then again, we are talking about a guy who stalked a chick on the internet and didn't understand why that was not okay...

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 01:02 PM

But then again, we are talking about a guy who stalked a chick on the internet and didn't understand why that was not okay...
There's a problem with attempting to debate with the likes of you. You are stuck on stupid, and cannot see any other possibility

FuzzyLumpkins

11-08-2011, 01:05 PM

There's a problem with attempting to debate with the likes of you. You are stuck on stupid, and cannot see any other possibility

Which master would that be? Your dumb actions on myspace got their attention and told him what to think like your takes on presidential politics or climate science?

We all got to read about your stupidity and judge without interference. You have very few social graces and even less understanding of women. Women like men that provide security generally not those that undermine it whatever your intention, dumbass.

scott

11-08-2011, 01:14 PM

There's a problem with attempting to debate with the likes of you. You are stuck on stupid, and cannot see any other possibility

Yes, that is clearly the problem here.

ElNono

11-08-2011, 01:23 PM

I wonder if <scott> was <under the effects of Brazilian Ayahuasca> to <cause him to be stuck on stupid>.

LnGrrrR

11-08-2011, 02:32 PM

LnGrrrR

11-08-2011, 02:36 PM

Jesus, in the exact same thread!

:lmao

Wild Cobra

11-08-2011, 02:40 PM

I think your hatred of liberals blinds you to how irrational your biases are.
Well, liberals make me irrational, and causes bias.

Your point?

ChumpDumper

11-08-2011, 02:44 PM

Well, liberals make me irrational, and causes bias.

Your point?That was precisely his point, genius.

Winehole23

11-09-2011, 04:33 PM

Cain campaign director Mark Block lies to Sean Hannity:

"Her son works at POLITICO," Block said of Karen Kraushaar, whose name POLITICO printed earlier today after other media outlets made her identity public.

(http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67913.html#continue) "I've been hearing that all day - you've confirmed that now?" Hannity asked.
"We've confirmed that he does indeed work at POLITICO and that's his mother, yes," said Block.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67913.html#ixzz1dFJfajWz

FuzzyLumpkins

11-09-2011, 05:47 PM

Oh and witness #4 commented that he reached up her skirt. In my world, grabbing a girls cooch is sexual contact. I posted her presser in the other thread.

DMX7

11-09-2011, 07:10 PM

Don't forget I have said I generally either spoil my vote on a third party, or vote republican. The reason is I cannot stand most democrats because most democrats are liberals.

I am not pro republican.

I am anti democrat.

Republicans are conservatives, Mr. Anti-Democrat.

Take a wild guess what the antithesis of a liberal is since you hate democrats "because most democrats are liberal."

So... You ARE pro-republican.

You learned something today.

ChumpDumper

11-09-2011, 07:29 PM

Cain campaign director Mark Block lies to Sean Hannity:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67913.html#ixzz1dFJfajWzI would have believed him if he had been smoking.

Wild Cobra

11-10-2011, 04:03 AM

Interesting read. One of the problems with the sexual harassment laws, is that people would make false claims to sidestep something else:

AP Exclusive: Cain Accuser Complained In Next Job (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=142163123)

Wild Cobra

11-13-2011, 01:31 AM

Here's another interesting read:

Cain’s Pains: Let’s Talk about Character (http://thenewamerican.com/opinion/selwyn-duke/9757-cains-pains-lets-talk-about-character)

ploto

11-13-2011, 09:08 AM

Cry Havoc

11-13-2011, 12:42 PM

Even if you do not believe the conduct rises to the level of sexual harrassment, where is the outrage from the supposedly religious right about a married man conducting himself this way? Does it even have to be harrassment for you to question his character? What about his family values?

Hard to criticize someone when he's playing for your team. Republican values only exist to attack and ridicule non-republicans.

Wild Cobra

11-13-2011, 04:41 PM

I haven't seen anything credible yet on these charges. Did you read the two links I recently posted?

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 05:09 PM

It's the weekend. Nothing is going to break right now.

DMX7

11-28-2011, 08:50 PM

Here we go again! :downspin:

WASHINGTON (AP) — In an explosive allegation, a Georgia woman said Monday she and Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain had a 13-year extramarital affair that lasted nearly until the former businessman announced his candidacy for the White House several months ago.

"Here we go again. I didn't do anything wrong," Cain said in a pre-emptive denial that lumped a detailed claim of a consensual affair in with earlier allegations of sexual harassment.

But the woman, Ginger White, said in an interview with Fox 5 Atlanta that over the years, Cain bought her airplane tickets so she could join him in cities as far-flung as Palm Springs, Calif., and Atlanta.

"It was fun," the 46-year-old White said. "It was something that took me away from my humdrum life at the time. And it was exciting."

http://news.yahoo.com/woman-alleges-long-affair-cain-222218960.html

SnakeBoy

11-28-2011, 09:12 PM

What are the odds Cain drops out of the race by the end of next week?

Cry Havoc

11-28-2011, 10:32 PM

What are the odds Cain drops out of the race by the end of next week?

Nah. He'll stay in as long as he stands to make money from it.

Cry Havoc

11-28-2011, 10:34 PM

Kind of a pity, really. It would have been highly entertaining to watch Cain get skewered by Obama in Presidential debates. Like watching a serpent constrict a harpy. You wouldn't root for either of them to win, but it's still a good show.

FuzzyLumpkins

11-28-2011, 10:48 PM

Its not like hes financing his own campaign and he will sell a lot of books.

spursncowboys

11-28-2011, 10:52 PM

DMX7

11-28-2011, 11:23 PM

Is Obama bringing his teleprompter?

Clever. All we need now is for WC to bring up how Obama thinks there are 57 states.

xeromass

11-29-2011, 03:27 AM

Is Obama bringing his teleprompter?

http://www.bradmesser.com/images2004b/BushWired.jpg

At least he's a proficient reader.

Wild Cobra

11-29-2011, 04:06 AM

Clever. All we need now is for WC to bring up how Obama thinks there are 57 states.
Since you asked...

He said there are. Besides, there are 57 Islamic states. Don't forget his Muslim faith!

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/57states.jpg

ChumpDumper

11-29-2011, 04:42 AM

You do know we're mocking you, right?

Wild Cobra

11-29-2011, 04:51 AM

You do know we're mocking you, right?
Yes, and I'm mocking right back idiot.

ChumpDumper

11-29-2011, 04:56 AM

No, you're repeating the thing we mock you for.

You're terrible at this.

Wild Cobra

11-29-2011, 05:16 AM

No, you're repeating the thing we mock you for.

You're terrible at this.

If you say so.

ChumpDumper

11-29-2011, 05:38 AM

And you are busting margins like a dumbass.

Wild Cobra

11-29-2011, 05:42 AM

And you are busting margins like a dumbass.
Do you really think I give any serious thought to you and the forum jesters like you?

Cry Havoc

11-29-2011, 06:39 AM

Do you really think I give any serious thought to you and the forum jesters like you?

Post Count: 24,424

So, why do you spend time here, WC? If you clearly don't care what the other members on SpursTalk think, why have 24,000+ posts? Unless you really want us to believe it's to converse with DarrinS et al, which you do on an incredibly infrequent basis because you're so busy telling everyone else how much smarter you are than they are.

Wild Cobra

11-29-2011, 07:04 AM

Post Count: 24,424

So, why do you spend time here, WC? If you clearly don't care what the other members on SpursTalk think, why have 24,000+ posts? Unless you really want us to believe it's to converse with DarrinS et al, which you do on an incredibly infrequent basis because you're so busy telling everyone else how much smarter you are than they are.
What's wrong. have a bad hair day today?

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/kefka001.jpg

RandomGuy

11-29-2011, 08:03 AM

Nah. He'll stay in as long as he stands to make money from it.

This whole thing is a book tour for him.

Any idiot who thinks Cain is seriously trying to run for president deserves to waste his vote.

RandomGuy

11-29-2011, 08:05 AM

Is Obama bringing his teleprompter?

Only if Perry brings his, um, .... what was the question again?

scott

11-29-2011, 10:03 AM

Do you really think I give any serious thought to you and the forum jesters like you?

No one here thinks you give any serious thought to ANYTHING, let alone other posters.

Stringer_Bell

11-29-2011, 12:03 PM

I'm glad this topic is dying down and America is finally understanding that beautiful white women simply find powerful black men unable to resist.

SnakeBoy

11-29-2011, 12:09 PM

I'm glad this topic is dying down and America is finally understanding that beautiful white women simply find powerful black men unable to resist.

:lol

You think this is a beautiful white woman?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.983793.1322578366!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_485/image.jpg

Stringer_Bell

11-29-2011, 12:13 PM

:lol

You think this is a beautiful white woman?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.983793.1322578366%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_485/image.jpg

She's not exactly trying to look black either, is she? Hmmmm? Check yo self.

Cry Havoc

11-29-2011, 12:32 PM

What's wrong. have a bad hair day today?

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/kefka001.jpg

24,000 posts and you still have to resort to avatar smack because you've got nothing else and 95% of the forum knows you're a complete fool who thinks logic and scientific reasoning are things to be avoided. Well done, WC. Well done.

JoeChalupa

11-29-2011, 12:39 PM

Sounds like Cain may be ready to throw in the towel any day now.

boutons_deux

11-29-2011, 01:25 PM

he said
she said
she said
she said
she said
she said
she said

maybe more "she said" to come

SnakeBoy

11-29-2011, 01:34 PM

Sounds like Cain may be ready to throw in the towel any day now.

That's faster than even I thought. If you saw the interview with his wife she didn't seem like a woman standing by her two timin man. Rather a woman who truely believed in her husband. By now she's got to be realizing it's all been a lie...and that's a really dangerous woman. She'll be the one that's makes him end his campaign.

Cry Havoc

11-29-2011, 01:37 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/29/politics/cain-accusation-affair/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Cracker for Cain! :lmao

SnakeBoy

11-29-2011, 02:26 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/29/politics/cain-accusation-affair/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"Not as long as my wife is behind me and as long as my wife believes I should stay in this race," he said.

It won't be long Herman.

SnakeBoy

11-29-2011, 03:33 PM

Cain's lawyer, Lin Wood, said the allegation "appears to be an accusation of private, alleged consensual conduct between adults - a subject matter which is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public."

Oops, we're not allowed to talk about it. :depressed