Cain denies report of Sexual Harassment [Archive]

DMX7

10-30-2011, 10:59 PM

WASHINGTON — (AP) Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain's campaign denied allegations Sunday that he was twice accused of sexual harassment while he was the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s.

In a statement to The Associated Press, his campaign disputed a Politico report that said Cain had been accused of sexually suggestive behavior toward at least two female employees.

The report said the women signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them five-figure financial payouts to leave the association and barred them from discussing their departures

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20111030/us-cain-harassment/

Bartleby

10-30-2011, 11:13 PM

Pubic hairs on the pizza?

baseline bum

10-30-2011, 11:19 PM

Why would sexual harassment mean anything to a party that believes they have the right to control women? It wouldn't hurt him at all in the primaries.

Wild Cobra

10-31-2011, 01:52 AM

LOL...

The left is getting worried.

Pulling out the dirty tricks already.

greyforest

10-31-2011, 04:39 AM

LOL...

The left is getting worried.

Pulling out the dirty tricks already.

LOL...

When did the dirty tricks stop, from either party?

Halberto

10-31-2011, 04:42 AM

LOL...

The left is getting worried.

Pulling out the dirty tricks already.

So then how would you view the "birther" movement by the right?

Wild Cobra

10-31-2011, 05:11 AM

LOL...

When did the dirty tricks stop, from either party?
They never really do.

However, to bring such a thing up that probably can never be verified, against Cain, tells me that the democrats fear for him to win the nomination. If he does, they can't play all the race cards they have saved up their sleeve.

Bartleby

10-31-2011, 06:32 AM

ChuckD

10-31-2011, 07:17 AM

LOL...

The left is getting worried.

Pulling out the dirty tricks already.

Since Cain is one of a group of remaining GOP candidates, what does the left have to gain here? ANY of the other GOP candidates have about a million more reasons to attack him, Tory boy.

FromWayDowntown

10-31-2011, 07:27 AM

So then how would you view the "birther" movement by the right?

Apparently, as something to conveniently ignore.

ChuckD

10-31-2011, 07:31 AM

Worried? Cain is the new Palin--a curiosity to the media who throws meat to the party base. As with Palin, the Dems would love to run against him, but he is not a legitimate threat to win the GOP primary. He is good for some laughs though.

He certainly is.

there's no THERE there (http://swampland.time.com/2011/10/24/the-mystery-of-the-missing-presidential-campaign-cain-operation-mia-in-key-states/)

ChuckD

10-31-2011, 07:33 AM

Pubic hairs on the pizza?

I LOLd.

boutons_deux

10-31-2011, 08:29 AM

Hey, cutie, check out my huge pepperoni sausage. It would go excellently in your fur pie.

DMX7

10-31-2011, 10:26 AM

Ahh... So that's what they mean by delivering in 30 minutes or less.

boutons_deux

10-31-2011, 12:07 PM

All we need is to see the org's legal files (if they haven't been shredded) and for the 2 women to come forward and get their revenge.

Until then, Cain'tDoShit can lie unchallenged.

boutons_deux

10-31-2011, 12:55 PM

Report: Cain may have broken tax, election laws

his campaign realized Monday that he may face a problem much bigger than misconduct.

According to a report from the Wisconsin Journal-Sentinel, the new frontrunner in the Republican presidential race may have violated federal tax and campaign law.

Documents obtained by the paper show the Cain campaign owing $40,000 to Prosperity USA, a private Wisconsin-based corporation owned by Cain’s chief of staff Mark Block and deputy chief of staff Linda Hansen. Cain’s federal election filings, however, has no mention of the debt nor do the documents’ figures match any payments made by his campaign.

Prosperity USA paid Cain for gifts and items such as iPads, chartered flights and trips to Iowa and Las Vegas. The Journal-Sentinel reported that the corporation appears to now be defunct.

An unnamed GOP strategist interviewed by the Journal-Sentinel said Cain will have violated tax code law if Prosperity USA gave his campaign money for those items. “I just don’t see how they can justify this,” she said. “It’s a total mess.”

On Monday morning, Cain was asked on Fox News about the story.

“I’m not aware of this report,” he said. “My staff has not had time to go through it. I’m not aware, there not aware to it. We’re going to look at the report to see if there’s any validity. We will take a look at it.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/31/report-cain-may-have-broken-tax-election-laws/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 03:13 PM

Herman Cain told Fox News that he never sexually harassed anyone, although he was falsely accused of such at the National Restaurant Association. He then declared: “If the restaurant association did a settlement, I wasn’t even aware of it and I hope it wasn’t for much. If there was a settlement, it was handled by some of the other officers at the restaurant association.”

For that to be true, many things would also have to be true:

●Herman Cain never asked the NRA how the claim got resolved;

●Cain never had to sign a settlement agreement or any other document;

●He trusted the NRA to obtain a complete release on his behalf, and the women never demanded that Cain release potential counterclaims (e.g., for defamation);

●He never agreed to keep the matter confidential — for example, after he left the NRA. (Arguably the association could bind him while he was still employed, but wouldn’t it have had to tell him to ensure compliance?); and

●In his role as CEO, Cain never had to approve a settlement, was never told the cost of the settlement and never saw a budget entry confirming a settlement.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/is-cains-denial-plausible/2011/10/31/gIQAGr1ZZM_blog.html?wprss=right-turn

Drachen

10-31-2011, 03:16 PM

Apparently, as something to conveniently ignore.

:lol

Oh, Gee!!

10-31-2011, 03:19 PM

LOL...

The left is getting worried.

Pulling out the dirty tricks already.

Sounds like something one of the other republican hopefuls might leak to the press to get Cain dropped from the primary.

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 03:19 PM

Now compare [Anita Hill's accusations against Clarence Thomas] to Cain's situation. In Cain's case, the allegations actually came five years before he ran for any office, 12 years ago now. There was no way they were politically motivated, because Cain had never been a candidate for anything. Furthermore, the allegations came not just from one disgruntled employee, but from two separate women. One allegation can be a misunderstanding, or an oversensitivity, or a case of job-related payback. Two allegations, separate and distinct from each other, are at least the beginning of a pattern...

... Two different women complained, formally, about Cain's behavior, and they did so completely apart from any current battle. Both women were paid off in return for silence. That much is in the record. There is every reason for people to look into this further, and every reason for Cain to give a full accounting. People are falsely accused of all sorts of things, all the time. Cain merits the benefit of the doubt, for now, about these allegations -- but only long enough for him to put legitimate doubts to rest. He has not yet done so.http://spectator.org/blog/2011/10/31/reason-to-take-cain-allegation

Wild Cobra

10-31-2011, 03:20 PM

Do you think anyone cares about such speculation WH?

Drachen

10-31-2011, 03:22 PM

Sounds like something one of the other republican hopefuls might leak to the press to get Cain dropped from the primary.

I would say Perry if he was still trying to win a political office.

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 03:25 PM

In fact, the campaign’s response was so bad over the last 10 days and even after the story broke last night that I don’t think we got a full-throated denial that any sexual harassment involving Cain has ever occurred from anyone associated with the campaign until this morning (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/1534). The campaign got bogged down in denying whether there had been any such allegations made, what Cain had told the campaign about them, and other peripheral issues — and seemed to fail to grasp that the underlying allegations are what make this potentially very serious.
I’ve seen the purported payments from the National Restaurant Association to the two women Cain allegedly harassed described as hush money. That’s silly and comes at the problem only from the point of view of the NRA. There’s little upside in female employees going public with these kinds of allegations. That’s especially true in the insular world of DC trade associations, where the number of employers is relatively small and employment opportunities can be limited. So keeping it quiet could have certainly been in their interest, too.

One last point: No question that the NRA paying some kind of settlement to employees under Cain because of harassment allegations is newsworthy when it involves a guy running for president. But I’d be careful about jumping from the apparent fact that the NRA settled to the conclusion that the allegations were credible and well-founded. The two don’t always go hand in hand. We need more facts on that score than what are in the Politico story.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/10/a_few_initial_observations_on_cains_mess.php?ref=f pblg

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 03:29 PM

Do you think anyone cares about such speculation WH?Yes. Obviously Cain cares too.

You didn't read the oped, did you? Quin Hillyer says a few things there you might like...

boutons_deux

10-31-2011, 03:29 PM

"Do you think anyone cares about such speculation WH?"

obviously, the non-Fox Repug Progaganda/non-hate-media people do, and "Christian" voters, although they always give sinners a pass if they cry on TV, say they're sorry, and be borned-again and again and again.

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 03:32 PM

Notice the pattern: AmSpec and NR sowing doubt while the liberal nest of snakes at TPM urges caution and minimizes the payoffs.

clambake

10-31-2011, 03:38 PM

hey, this is about harassing women!

for republicans, this is progress.

Wild Cobra

10-31-2011, 03:42 PM

hey, this is about harassing women!

for republicans, this is progress.
LOL

Have you ever seen what has constituted sexual harassment at times, and in people's opinions?

Without specifics, this is entirely a joke.

clambake

10-31-2011, 03:50 PM

like when you stalked that chick online?

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 03:50 PM

You don't know who Jennifer Rubin and Quin Hillyer are, do you?

Wild Cobra

10-31-2011, 04:06 PM

You don't know who Jennifer Rubin and Quin Hillyer are, do you?
They make money writing about such things. So what.

I worked in a corporate atmosphere in 1999. Things were considered sexual harassment that were not legal sexual harassment. This doesn't mean squat without specifics.

EVAY

10-31-2011, 04:11 PM

hey, this is about harassing women!

for republicans, this is progress.

:lol

scott

10-31-2011, 04:16 PM

like when you stalked that chick online?

ULTIMATE WIN.

/thread

MannyIsGod

10-31-2011, 04:17 PM

:lmao

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 04:18 PM

They make money writing about such things. So what.Rubin, Hillyer and Williamson are all notably conservative journalists. Why is the right getting in on the whispering campaign against Cain?

Wild Cobra

10-31-2011, 04:25 PM

Rubin, Hillyer and Williamson are all notably conservative journalists. Why is the right getting in on the whispering campaign against Cain?
I know they are to the right. That doesn't mean they shouldn't report what is out there. I just don't see it as anything important without something of substance. For all I know, they could be prejudice, or simply like a different candidate that stands in the way. They might consider it newsworthy regardless. I can only speculate why they see this as a story worth reporting.

Still, without specifics, it is pointless. During that time, with evolving ideas of what sexual harassment was, these women could have complained about something they saw amplified by their own imagination. Corporations wanted anything reported that anyone thought "might be" sexual harassment because they wanted to stop real cases. Like so many settlements, even if proof is on your side, it is often cheaper to settle if it can be kept from the public eye. Now consider the amount. "five figures." Where between $10,000 and $99,999 do you think that is? Don't you think if it was an actionable claim, they could have settled or won six figures in court?

Again, this story is nothing without specifics.

How many people here worked in a large corporate environment following the Clinton scandal? Am I right or wrong about how touchy they were?

ploto

10-31-2011, 04:31 PM

The problem is him lying now. He initially claimed that no accusations were ever even made. Then, the story changed.

Wild Cobra

10-31-2011, 04:34 PM

The problem is him lying now. He initially claimed that no accusations were ever even made. Then, the story changed.
Not necessarily. 12 years ago, and something so meaningless if not real... Do you remember every unimportant detail over a decade old?

Yes, I think he would have remembered, but not necessarily, and I would have to review at the available context again. However, time to leave for work.

Worse case, he told a white lie. Who hasn't.

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 04:37 PM

Don't you think if it was an actionable claim, they could have settled or won six figures in court?The accusers may have had reasons for keeping their own complaints as quiet as possible. Concern for their future employability in trade associations for example.

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 04:43 PM

Worse case, he told a white lie.Lying about his own state of knowledge wrt to the settlements wouldn't be a white lie. It'd be a big fat one.

scott

10-31-2011, 04:54 PM

Not necessarily. 12 years ago, and something so meaningless if not real... Do you remember every unimportant detail over a decade old?

Exactly. Who in the world can possibly remember all the times they've been accused of sexual harassment?

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 04:59 PM

I can only speculate why they see this as a story worth reporting.I can only wonder why you don't.

Here, I'll go first: GOP party muckety-mucks are alarmed at Cain's popularity because he has no organization, very little money, a minimal grasp of policy and poor chances in the general election. So they're pouring cold water on Cain now, to benefit the anointed (and supposedly more electable) frontrunners, Mitt Romney and Rick Perry.

SnakeBoy

10-31-2011, 05:09 PM

Here, I'll go first: GOP party muckety-mucks are alarmed at Cain's popularity because he has no organization, very little money, a minimal grasp of policy and poor chances in the general election. So they're pouring cold water on Cain now, to benefit the anointed (and supposedly more electable) frontrunners, Mitt Romney and Rick Perry.

I'm not so sure Perry is on the GOP's acceptable list anymore. I think it's down to just Mitt Romney. Should be interesting to see what happens when Newt becomes the Romney alternative.

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 05:27 PM

The appearance of Newt Gingrich as yet another GOP flavor of the month so quickly after Bachmann, Perry and Cain would mainly underscore the weakness of the field and the skittishness of GOP primary voters about Mitt Romney.

If it happens, Gingrich will crater flamboyantly. He can't help it.

Drachen

10-31-2011, 05:41 PM

If he can hang on, money-wise, this is who I think it will come down to. Newt and Romney.

Cry Havoc

10-31-2011, 05:45 PM

Exactly. Who in the world can possibly remember all the times they've been accused of sexual harassment?

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 05:48 PM

As of 9/30, Jon Huntsman had doubled Newt Gingrich's total in fundraising. Jon Huntsman!

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance

Drachen

10-31-2011, 06:00 PM

As of 9/30, Jon Huntsman had doubled Newt Gingrich's total in fundraising. Jon Huntsman!

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance

Thus the qualifier.

ElNono

10-31-2011, 06:33 PM

Exactly. Who in the world can possibly remember all the times they've been accused of sexual harassment?

:rollin

Yonivore

10-31-2011, 07:02 PM

Why would sexual harassment mean anything to a party that believes they have the right to control women? It wouldn't hurt him at all in the primaries.
Who is the only party to have a President credibly accused of rape? To have a Bimbo Eruption Squad? To have his wife say, "he's a hard dog to keep on the porch?"

Yeah, Republicans are the party with women issues. :lmao

Drachen

10-31-2011, 07:11 PM

hey, this is about harassing women!

For republicans, this is progress.

who is the only party to have a president credibly accused of rape? To have a bimbo eruption squad? To have his wife say, "he's a hard dog to keep on the porch?"

yeah, republicans are the party with women issues. :lmao

lol

boutons_deux

10-31-2011, 07:55 PM

NRA said they "settled" with two women about accusations against Cain, but won't say anymore, like if the women knew each other, same office (frame job, etc), if the two accusations were close or distant in time. black women, white women?

One accusation could be BS, but two?

baseline bum

10-31-2011, 08:18 PM

Who is the only party to have a President credibly accused of rape? To have a Bimbo Eruption Squad? To have his wife say, "he's a hard dog to keep on the porch?"

Yeah, Republicans are the party with women issues. :lmao

I know the red team only likes blow jobs when they take place in mens rooms at the airport, but you gotta get the fuck over it.

DMX7

10-31-2011, 08:37 PM

Exactly. Who in the world can possibly remember all the times they've been accused of sexual harassment?

What you're doing is comparing apples and oranges.

ElNono

10-31-2011, 09:12 PM

Where are the transcripts?

CuckingFunt

10-31-2011, 09:42 PM

like when you stalked that chick online?

ULTIMATE WIN.

/thread

I very nearly died.

Cry Havoc

10-31-2011, 09:57 PM

ULTIMATE WIN.

/thread

:lol Someone fill me in on this?

GoodOdor

10-31-2011, 10:00 PM

:lol Someone fill me in on this?

He was chatting with a chick online, and at some point decided it would be a good idea to use google maps to get her street address using her houses's shadow.

She was understandably not impressed by this talkish tactics and ceased any contact with him.

He then came to spurs talk and made a thread about it, not understanding what went wrong.

Basically, his interactions with women is par the course with everything else in his life - shitty.

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 10:16 PM

Thus the qualifier."If he can hang on..."

Negatives too high, money too low. Best case scenario: flavor of the month.

Gingrich has been alright in the debates, but apart from that he more resembles a hobbyhorse than a thoroughbred. It's hard to hang on financially at the bottom of the pile.

LnGrrrR

10-31-2011, 10:25 PM

Do you think anyone cares about such speculation WH?

Says the man who read up every speculation on PDF layers and image scanning.

LnGrrrR

10-31-2011, 10:27 PM

LOL

Have you ever seen what has constituted sexual harassment at times, and in people's opinions?

Without specifics, this is entirely a joke.

So you think the females should have to publicly and graphically discuss how they were harassed?

LnGrrrR

10-31-2011, 10:30 PM

Not necessarily. 12 years ago, and something so meaningless if not real... Do you remember every unimportant detail over a decade old?

Yes, I think he would have remembered, but not necessarily, and I would have to review at the available context again. However, time to leave for work.

Worse case, he told a white lie. Who hasn't.

In short:

He didn't do it, and if he DID do it, he surely didn't remember, and if he DID remember, it was a harmless lie about something that isn't a big deal anyways. Yeesh, get over it already people!!!

Have enough bases covered there WC?

CuckingFunt

10-31-2011, 10:32 PM

He was chatting with a chick online, and at some point decided it would be a good idea to use google maps to get her street address using her houses's shadow.

She was understandably not impressed by this talkish tactics and ceased any contact with him.

He then came to spurs talk and made a thread about it, not understanding what went wrong.

Basically, his interactions with women is par the course with everything else in his life - shitty.

Specifically, he did all this to point out how easily she could be found by a stranger with the amount of information she'd made available online. And then he let her know that he'd been able to track her down as a friendly warning so that she could be more careful in the future when deciding how much personal information to divulge.

The thread he started here was therefore intended not only to ask how he'd gone wrong, but also to bitch about how ungrateful this woman had been for not thanking him.

These are small details, of course, but I feel they are important to the story.

Winehole23

10-31-2011, 10:34 PM

who hasn't[?]

Cry Havoc

10-31-2011, 11:19 PM

I remember that thread. :lmao Freaking hilarious.

Wild Cobra

11-01-2011, 02:36 AM

I can only wonder why you don't.

Here, I'll go first: GOP party muckety-mucks are alarmed at Cain's popularity because he has no organization, very little money, a minimal grasp of policy and poor chances in the general election. So they're pouring cold water on Cain now, to benefit the anointed (and supposedly more electable) frontrunners, Mitt Romney and Rick Perry.
You know, I forgot that I am unlike most people. You see, I don't get off at seeing other people worse off than myself. I don't like programs like reality TV. This is the stuff that pathetic people get off on.

Wild Cobra

11-01-2011, 02:39 AM

Specifically, he did all this to point out how easily she could be found by a stranger with the amount of information she'd made available online. And then he let her know that he'd been able to track her down as a friendly warning so that she could be more careful in the future when deciding how much personal information to divulge.

The thread he started here was therefore intended not only to ask how he'd gone wrong, but also to bitch about how ungrateful this woman had been for not thanking him.

These are small details, of course, but I feel they are important to the story.
Thank you for clarifying that. I did have good intent, but went about it wrong.

I see things come together in my mind without trying. I didn't even have to think, and I sometimes don't think about others reactions. I saw the puzzle pieces and immediately knew it was easily solved, and did so. I was then worried someone of ill intent could too.

Wild Cobra

11-01-2011, 02:40 AM

I remember that thread. :lmao Freaking hilarious.
Yes, you would be the type to be happy over someone elses suffering.

boutons_deux

11-01-2011, 04:48 AM

Kock Bros $Bs flowing apparently illegally to Cain'tKeepItHard

The End of the Herman Cain Campaign? (It's Not What You Think)

Just hours before Politico burst forth with its explosive accusations, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel laid out a case that suggests significant illegal campaign activity on Cain's behalf by a nonprofit organization, Prosperity USA (also known as America's Prosperity Network), controlled by Block and linked to David Koch's Americans for Prosperity. As AlterNet has reported, Block, the former director of AFP's Wisconsin chapter, has long been known for playing dirty in politics.

Prosperity USA, described as a 501(c)(3) in its incorporation documents (and which now seems to be defunct), appears to have been footing the bill for Cain campaign expenses, including a highly unusual payment of $100,000 to the right-wing Congress of Racial Equality in advance of a major speech by Cain. Daniel Bice, who writes the Journal Sentinel's No Quarter blog, reports that the payment to CRE appears to have been disbursed from $150,000 in loans raised from unnamed donors. While Bice asserts that Cain was apparently not paid for that appearance, the New Yorker's Jane Mayer this month uncovered information suggesting that Cain's speaking fees are not directly reported as such on his disclosure forms to the Federal Elections Commission, but are shielded from public view as transactions that take place between his private company and the speaker's bureau representing him. Writes Mayer:

Yet, mysteriously, Cain discloses no payments from the Washington Speakers Bureau on his federal forms. Instead, on his 2011 F.E.C. form, he lists unspecified payments of between $50,000-$100,000 to his company, the New Voice, which he describes as a “public speaking” and “publishing” entity.

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/152923

Winehole23

11-01-2011, 07:48 AM

You know, I forgot that I am unlike most people. You see, I don't get off at seeing other people worse off than myself. I don't like programs like reality TV. This is the stuff that pathetic people get off on.I don't think any of the GOP candidates for president are worse off than me. I don't think Rubin, Hillyer and Williamson were making that point either.

Discussing possible weaknesses of candidates doesn't make anyone a sadist -- on the contrary, it's part of the normal process of evaluation.

Winehole23

11-01-2011, 08:15 AM

Something must've jogged his memory, b/c Cain recalled the settlement (which he attempted to minimize as "an agreement") in the middle of his interview with Judy Woodruff last night:

I was not. I was aware that an agreement was reached. The word "settlement" versus the word "agreement," you know, I'm not sure what they called it. I know that there was some sort of agreement, but because it ended up being minimal, they didn't have to bring it to me. My general counsel and the head of human resources had the authority to resolve this thing. So it wasn't one of those things where it got above a certain authority level and I had to sign it. If I did -- and I don't think I did -- I don't even remember signing it because it was minimal in terms of what the agreement was.http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec11/hermancain_10-31.html

boutons_deux

11-01-2011, 08:29 AM

A Politico report says two female employees left their jobs at the National Restaurant Association in the late 1990s after accusing the president and CEO — now a Republican front-runner — of sexually inappropriate behavior. The women accepted five-figure settlements in return for a pledge not to discuss their allegations.

Anybody who's read the news accounts knows Cain is blowing smoke by chalking them up to "two anonymous sources." Politico has done its homework. Reporters interviewed "a lengthy roster of former board members, current and past staff" over the course of several weeks, then spent 10 days trying to get a response from the candidate before running the story.

Politico says it isn't publishing the women's names out of respect for their privacy. But they aren't phantoms. Politico knows who they are, and so does Cain.

This situation reflects poorly on the National Restaurant Association, which was headed by Cain from 1996 to 1999. Among the few named sources in the piece are three who were top officers of the board of directors during that time. All of them said they had never heard about the sexual harassment claims, even though settlements were paid.

The board didn't know, Cain didn't know. … Something's not adding up.

One unnamed board member did know about at least one of the settlements. "What I took offense at was that it was clear that rather than deal with the issue, there was an effort to hush it up," the former board member told Politico.

http://mobile.chicagotribune.com/p.p?m=b&a=rp&id=1095081&postId=1095081&postUserId=54&sessionToken=&catId=5579&curAbsIndex=0&resultsUrl=DID%3D6%26DFCL%3D1000%26DSB%3Drank%2523 desc%26DBFQ%3DuserId%253A54%26DFC%3Dcat1%252Ccat2% 252Ccat3%26DL.w%3D%26DL.d%3D10%26DQ%3DsectionId%25 3A5579%26DPS%3D0%26DPL%3D3

JoeChalupa

11-01-2011, 11:59 AM

He's changed his response too many times but he has a 0-0-0 chance of winning the nomination anyhow. Just more drama for his next book tour and his talk show.

Cry Havoc

11-01-2011, 06:42 PM

Yes, you would be the type to be happy over someone elses suffering.

You stalked the fuck out of someone, she turned and burned, you asked for advice on a troll ridden sports website.

Your pain is the last thing on the list of these that is funny.

redzero

11-01-2011, 08:02 PM

Yes, you would be the type to be happy over someone elses suffering.

Schadenfreude is the greatest pleasure life can offer. And you can't say you didn't bring it upon yourself.

4>0rings

11-01-2011, 08:46 PM

That was WC that stalked her? :lmao :lmao :lmao

DJ Mbenga

11-02-2011, 12:28 AM

if he starts saying sheeeeeeeeiiit, im gonna lose my mind. just about the closest thing ive seen to a real clay davis.

Wild Cobra

11-02-2011, 02:38 AM

You stalked the fuck out of someone, she turned and burned, you asked for advice on a troll ridden sports website.

Your pain is the last thing on the list of these that is funny.
Wow...

Your mind really is twisted to get that wrong.

FuzzyLumpkins

11-02-2011, 02:44 AM

Wow...

Your mind really is twisted to get that wrong.

No restraining order no stalk right? :rolleyes

ChumpDumper

11-02-2011, 03:20 AM

You stalked the fuck out of someone, she turned and burned, you asked for advice on a troll ridden sports website.

Your pain is the last thing on the list of these that is funny.

Wow...

Your mind really is twisted to get that wrong.We have the transcript.

Cry Havoc

11-02-2011, 04:20 AM

Wow...

Your mind really is twisted to get that wrong.

Enlighten me. What did I say that was wrong?

You stalked her - check.

She extricated herself from your life - check.

You asked for dating advice on SPURSTALK (which I might add earlier tonight had many posters talking about how they support severe emotional/physical child abuse) - check.

Actually the latter might be the most humorous thing about the entire situation. Your resulting confusion would earn my sympathy if you didn't talk like you were omniscient in this forum, which is rather ironic considering you clearly don't understand even basic mores of interaction with the opposite gender.

boutons_deux

11-02-2011, 04:53 AM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-isnt-entirely-buying-herman-cains-sexual-harassment-defense/

Wild Cobra

11-02-2011, 04:55 AM

Enlighten me. What did I say that was wrong?

You stalked her - check.

False.

I let her know it could happen.

She extricated herself from your life - check.

It didn't matter. I didn't know her well enough. If I pursued in trying, that would be stalking.

You asked for dating advice on SPURSTALK (which I might add earlier tonight had many posters talking about how they support severe emotional/physical child abuse) - check.

I don't recall asking for that. I believe I was asking if there was a way to correct the situation. That's not dating advice.

You are pathetic not to be able to understand the actual facts, or real evil in you hatred of me to try to use something you think will hurt me.

Why are you so focused on something that was what? Maybe 3 years ago?

You must have a real pathetic life if you have to find ways to make others look worse than yours.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-02-2011, 08:04 AM

I did something for the first time and wish I used more caution in the process. I used MySpace to look up matches for dating. I had a few interesting returns, replies, and dinners out of the deal. However, I had one experience I regret. One person I found that I started chatting with, I really liked. She appears to be my intellectual equal, and make more money than I do. After going though her photo's for the second time, I noticed one of her new house had the number clearly visible. That alone wouldn't be much, but her city was Gresham Oregon which is maybe only 75,000 population. It was a flag lot which there aren't many of. The photos clearly indicated they were clearly taken within a short time of the summer solstices and close to noon, because if the angle of the shade. Because of this, I knew the orientation of her driveway was in the general direction of north. It was obvious she would be easy to find. I wanted to warn her this was a photo to remove, so I did. Since people have a hard time believing my capabilities, I went to Google Maps satellite view, and found her house in under ten minutes. Probably three or four. I then mailed her with the request she remove the picture with the house number and sent the satellite link showing her property too.

Guess what. She freaked. I guess that's understandable, but now she doesn't want anything to do with me. Here I am looking out for her, and get bit for doing what I thought was the right thing to do. At least she removed the photo. I wish I handled it differently. Warning her that it could be done, then when she didn't believe me, find her house and show her. For me, it was a game. I like solving puzzles. In the end, it doesn't matter. She's not good enough for me is she's going to be so judgmental.

Winehole23

11-02-2011, 08:44 AM

If no extra details are provided... it's currently a win for Cain. He has been able to play the race card, the faith card, and the liberal media card. Each one looks like an ace to the base.http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/can-cain-weather-this.html

CosmicCowboy

11-02-2011, 09:32 AM

I think Cain can weather this but his response has been clumsy and amateurish. When you start parsing words between "settlement" and "agreement" it certainly doesn't look Presidential.

boutons_deux

11-02-2011, 09:48 AM

one of the paid-off-to-STFU women is trying to get a waiver of her STFU agreement so she can defend herself against CainIsNotAble's LIES.

CosmicCowboy

11-02-2011, 10:04 AM

one of the paid-off-to-STFU women is trying to get a waiver of her STFU agreement so she can defend herself against CainIsNotAble's LIES.

Naturally Boutons assumes the black man is a liar.

Winehole23

11-02-2011, 10:10 AM

While you suggest typical food stamp recipients are lazy, venal, entitled minorities.

Winehole23

11-02-2011, 10:10 AM

boutons_deux

11-02-2011, 11:11 AM

Cain'tWinShit is lying.

He's trying hard to be a politician, and they all lie, no matter the skin.

Two women were paid off with a year's salary to STFU.

Cain's telling big BLACK lies.

Wild Cobra

11-02-2011, 12:30 PM

clambake

11-02-2011, 12:41 PM

FromWayDowntown

11-02-2011, 12:47 PM

I didn't know severance pay was the same as a settlement. Lean something new everyday:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/lawyer-cain-accuser-wants-to-talk-but-is-barred-by-agreement/2011/11/01/gIQA0bOIdM_story.html (Herman Cain’s accuser wants to tell her side of story, lawyer says)

Amid harassment furor, Cain visits Capitol Hill (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2016659802_apuscain.html)

If you choose to accept a severance over suing for sexual harassment, that would certainly qualify as a settlement, one would think.

The bigger question is why anyone continues to feel bound by the confidentiality covenant when others are clearly willing to discuss the specific terms of the settlement with the media. If the National Restaurant Association is truly insistent upon the need to keep this confidential, I'd expect that it will soon be filing suit against the person or persons who have breached that provision -- and someone must have for us to know amounts or other general details.

clambake

11-02-2011, 12:52 PM

scott

11-02-2011, 12:57 PM

Winehole23

11-02-2011, 01:04 PM

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3117701&postcount=1

Wild Cobra

11-02-2011, 01:05 PM

she wants them to wave the confidentiality clause.

you think they should let her talk?
Sure, if she also waves the legal gag order on why she was let go. Employers normally cannot say why they fired an employee.

clambake

11-02-2011, 01:09 PM

Sure, if she also waves the legal gag order on why she was let go. Employers normally cannot say why they fired an employee.

highly unlikely that these women would have a problem with that.

Wild Cobra

11-02-2011, 01:10 PM

If you choose to accept a severance over suing for sexual harassment, that would certainly qualify as a settlement, one would think.

The bigger question is why anyone continues to feel bound by the confidentiality covenant when others are clearly willing to discuss the specific terms of the settlement with the media. If the National Restaurant Association is truly insistent upon the need to keep this confidential, I'd expect that it will soon be filing suit against the person or persons who have breached that provision -- and someone must have for us to know amounts or other general details.
We can only guess of the details at this point, but what if she was let go for bringing up a false claim? What if severance was simply normal? What if they told her they could let her go without severance, and if she fought it, she would get none, including repeating remarks they disagreed with?

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the sexual harassment thing. If there was a real case here, five figures is small. When the story broke, I was thinking severance, but the articles were worded in ways I knew you guys would simply laugh at me if I brought it up. Now it seems more reasonable since it's actually been reported that way. What else will be revealed in upcoming days?

clambake

11-02-2011, 01:12 PM

a years severance isn't normal.

Wild Cobra

11-02-2011, 01:14 PM

highly unlikely that these women would have a problem with that.
I see.

Let them have their 15 minutes of fame, just to be thrown out.

I wonder if they really want to tell their story, of if they will get paid millions for it?

clambake

11-02-2011, 01:17 PM

I see.

Let them have their 15 minutes of fame, just to be thrown out.

I wonder if they really want to tell their story, of if they will get paid millions for it?

they might have been wanting to tell their story for years.

do you want to hear the story?

Wild Cobra

11-02-2011, 01:19 PM

a years severance isn't normal.
Facts make statistics, statistics don't make facts.

Depends on the corporate culture and how long you worked there. Last time I was laid off, I had a month severance for every year worked. If she got two for each year, and worked 6 years...

We can guess all day long, and still not know the truth. I would imagine its likely she was given more than normal if she promised to go quietly.

Wild Cobra

11-02-2011, 01:22 PM

they might have been wanting to tell their story for years.

do you want to hear the story?
I frankly don't care. Thinks that can be conceived as sexual harassment are unreasonable at times. If you disagree with this, then I have to wonder if you have been neutered.

Do you want to live in a society where men being men and women being women is considered wrong?

clambake

11-02-2011, 01:23 PM

Facts make statistics, statistics don't make facts.

Depends on the corporate culture and how long you worked there. Last time I was laid off, I had a month severance for every year worked. If she got two for each year, and worked 6 years...

We can guess all day long, and still not know the truth. I would imagine its likely she was given more than normal if she promised to go quietly.

you said there was a false claim of sexual harassment.

why did they make her promise?

CosmicCowboy

11-02-2011, 01:24 PM

he said/she said

people are going to believe whatever reinforces their pre-conceived position.

clambake

11-02-2011, 01:25 PM

he said/she said

people are going to believe whatever reinforces their pre-conceived position.

i believe they got paid.

Wild Cobra

11-02-2011, 01:26 PM

you said there was a false claim of sexual harassment.

why did they make her promise?
WTF...

You expect me to know?

Pick one of several as a possibility.

clambake

11-02-2011, 01:30 PM

WTF...

You expect me to know?

Pick one of several as a possibility.

i believe they got paid.

boutons_deux

11-02-2011, 01:47 PM

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain's staff called off a press conference in Alexandria, Va. Wednesday morning as he faces sexual harassment allegations. "Excuse me!" he reportedly said, quite loudly, when asked about the controversy. He later said to reporters, "Don't even bother asking me all these questions you're curious about." At least one photographer took a "hard blow to the face" as Cain personnel and hotel security pushed back against assembled photographers, according to the New York Times.

The confidentiality agreements signed by the two women who accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior when he was head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s have drawn increased scrutiny.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/02/herman-cain-sexual-harassment-confidentiality-agreement_n_1071569.html

Cain'tKeepThisUp is being carbon-ized :lol

clambake

11-02-2011, 02:15 PM

fox probably spilled the beans. needed an excuse to turn on him.

Agloco

11-02-2011, 02:43 PM

The Un-electable Messiahs boat is taking on water rather quickly.

Th'Pusher

11-02-2011, 06:46 PM

Facts make statistics, statistics don't make facts.

Depends on the corporate culture and how long you worked there. Last time I was laid off, I had a month severance for every year worked. If she got two for each year, and worked 6 years...

We can guess all day long, and still not know the truth. I would imagine its likely she was given more than normal if she promised to go quietly.

The mental gymnastics that you put your mind through to justify your support for the red team is mind numbing. I think it's pretty obvious Cain pulled out his BBC and rubbed it on the nape of these two women's neck.

Wild Cobra

11-03-2011, 02:09 AM

The mental gymnastics that you put your mind through to justify your support for the red team is mind numbing. I think it's pretty obvious Cain pulled out his BBC and rubbed it on the nape of these two women's neck.
LOL, I think we can be certain that no matter the truth, it wasn't that.

Why is it so hard to accept that all I am doing is pointing out other possibilities? Do I believe him guilty of sexual harassment. NO. But I acknowledge it's possible.

Time and time again, every election, there are scandals that prove to be nothing. I would bet 5:1 odds this is nothing but political dirty tricks.

Word was also out that is was a former employee of a past political campaign for Cain that now works for Perry that leaked this.

ElNono

11-03-2011, 02:22 AM

I'm gonna have to see that transcript

ChumpDumper

11-03-2011, 03:11 AM

LOL, I think we can be certain that no matter the truth, it wasn't that.

Why is it so hard to accept that all I am doing is pointing out other possibilities? Do I believe him guilty of sexual harassment. NO. But I acknowledge it's possible.

Time and time again, every election, there are scandals that prove to be nothing. I would bet 5:1 odds this is nothing but political dirty tricks.

Word was also out that is was a former employee of a past political campaign for Cain that now works for Perry that leaked this.So what? That would actually lend credence to the harassment story.

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 04:15 AM

During his Oct. 3 broadcast in Iowa, Deace mentioned that Cain made a comment to a woman who was there to report on the radio interview for another news agency.

“Cain said, ‘Darling, do you mind doctoring my tea for me?’” Deace said.

Deace told the Register last month that he believes Cain was talking about adding honey and lemon, but that it was an awkward moment.
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/02/iowa-radio-host-calls-herman-cains-behavior-awkward-if-not-inappropriate/

Wild Cobra

11-03-2011, 04:38 AM

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/02/iowa-radio-host-calls-herman-cains-behavior-awkward-if-not-inappropriate/
Wow.

Whoop-t-do....

So what?

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 04:43 AM

Do you mind doctoring my tea for me, darling?

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 04:44 AM

..is a very weird thing for a presidential candidate to say to a journalist.

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 04:48 AM

or most anybody else, for that matter

Wild Cobra

11-03-2011, 05:38 AM

Do you mind doctoring my tea for me, darling?
Your point?

Is it sexual harassment because it was said to a woman?

"dearly loved." People express warmth towards others in different ways. That is not a sexual statement.

Did you know such remarks are not considered actionable sexual harassment unless you are told to stop?

Unless someone tells Cain these words are not acceptable, there is nothing to bitch about.

Different people, different backgrounds, different phrases showing endearment, respect, etc.

There's nothing of interest here.

scott

11-03-2011, 07:59 AM

I wonder if <victim> were <improbable circumstance> to <cause my incredibly stupid position to be valid>.

JoeChalupa

11-03-2011, 09:02 AM

In today's times I don't even joke around women although I do hear women still make jokes and comments with sexual tones and I don't respond to those either.

boutons_deux

11-03-2011, 10:03 AM

Poll: Majority of Likely Voters Say They Were Sexually Harassed by Cain

http://www.borowitzreport.com/

LnGrrrR

11-03-2011, 10:55 AM

Poll: Majority of Likely Voters Say They Were Sexually Harassed by Cain

http://www.borowitzreport.com/

:lol Pretty nice headline.

LnGrrrR

11-03-2011, 10:57 AM

That site is actually pretty funny overall Boutons. Thanks for the link.

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 12:38 PM

Cooler talk:

According to a source who is friends with the Cain campaign, not only is the Rick Perry campaign (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67479.html) involved but also the Mayor of Chicago and former Obama White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is likely involved with the sexual harassment accuser attacks. A friend of the Cain campaign believes a National Restaurant Association (NRA) employee out of the Chicago office (http://www.restaurant.org/aboutus/contact/index.cfm) leaked the story to the Perry campaign via information and influence from Mayor Rahm Emanuel's office. http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/nov/2/picket-source-rham-emanuel-involved-cain-sexual-ha/

FuzzyLumpkins

11-03-2011, 12:40 PM

or most anybody else, for that matter

Not really if he is form certain circles in Georgia.

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 12:47 PM

huh?

FuzzyLumpkins

11-03-2011, 12:52 PM

huh?

Certain segments of the south talk like that. Most of them are white and hes not so its odd but thats where that comes from.

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 12:57 PM

Source?

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 01:01 PM

Something particular about GA dialect would be nice, otherwise I'm gonna call BS on that.

FuzzyLumpkins

11-03-2011, 01:01 PM

Source?

My life? if you choose to not believe me then fine but there are a bunch of people in VA, the Carolinas, and Georgia that talk like that. Go to a Daughters of the Confederacy or whatever that group is called meeting and you will see it.

I am not saying it is desirable behavior but its there.

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 01:05 PM

Anecdotal generalizations rock.

FuzzyLumpkins

11-03-2011, 01:10 PM

Anecdotal generalizations rock.

Sure take it with a grain of salt. I don't really care. That being said popular culture especially pre-1990 are full of examples. Gone with Wind, Kilmer as Doc Holliday etc. I personally think its condescending bullshit when i have encountered it.

I am not saying that all whites or any other subset in those southern states behave in that manner just that some do. I am not generalizing any subset. If anything I am defining a subset. If you want to believe there is no segment of those societies that behave like that and Cain comes from outer space then fine.

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 01:10 PM

It's very unprofessional to call a journalist darling and ask her to fix your tea, regardless of dialect.

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 01:16 PM

I'm not saying people don't say darlin' in the south; I know they do. But that does not excuse unprofessional (and frankly, chauvinistic) behavior. At this level of government, demeanor matters.

ChumpDumper

11-03-2011, 01:21 PM

Why was he asking a reporter to do that in the first place?

Doctor your own fucking tea.

FuzzyLumpkins

11-03-2011, 01:22 PM

It's very unprofessional to call a journalist darling and ask her to fix your tea, regardless of dialect.

I don't disagree. I am not excusing the behavior. Far from it.

I actually find it quite ironic that a black man behaves in the same manner as plantation owners, the most notorious racists in the history of this country. Southern gentry indeed.

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 02:41 PM

Pyjamas has specifics from anonymous sources.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/breaking-pjm-sources-report-details-of-alleged-cain-incident/

Winehole23

11-03-2011, 02:53 PM

Former NRA Pollster: If Cain Accuser Allowed to Speak, Could ‘End … Campaign’ (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282047/former-nra-pollster-if-cain-accuser-allowed-speak-could-end-campaign-katrina-trinko)

November 2, 2011 3:19 P.M. (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282047/former-nra-pollster-if-cain-accuser-allowed-speak-could-end-campaign-katrina-trinko)
By Katrina Trinko (http://www.nationalreview.com/author/244210)

An Oklahoma political consultant said in a radio interview this morning that he had witnessed Herman Cain’s interactions with the woman who made the sexual harassment claims and predicted that if the woman is allowed to speak, it would “be the end of his campaign.”

Chris Wilson, who worked as a pollster at the National Restaurant Association during the time, told (http://www.ktok.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119211&article=9339922#ixzz1cZb3TX7G) radio station KTOK that “This occurred at a restaurant in Crystal City (in Arlington,Virginia) and everybody was aware of it. It was only a matter of time because so many people were aware of what took place, so many people were aware of her situation, the fact she left—everybody knew with the campaign that this would eventually come up.”

“If she talks about it, I think it’ll be the end of his campaign,” Wilson added.

UPDATE: Wilson is working for a pro-Perry super PAC now, and is a Perry supporter, according to Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67473.html).

UPDATE II: Weekly Standard reports (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/perry-staffer-had-knowledge-cain-harassment-allegations_607678.html) that Wilson denies he was the source of the leaks to Politico. Also, to be precise, Wilson’s firm is working for a pro-Perry super PAC.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282047/former-nra-pollster-if-cain-accuser-allowed-speak-could-end-campaign-katrina-trinko

clambake

11-03-2011, 03:02 PM

perry goin after his "brotha"

ploto

11-03-2011, 09:56 PM

Word was also out that is was a former employee of a past political campaign for Cain that now works for Perry that leaked this.

If Cain told an employee of a former campaign of his about this, then how can he explain his supposedly not remembering about it when first asked?

ducks

11-03-2011, 11:00 PM

Cooler talk:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/nov/2/picket-source-rham-emanuel-involved-cain-sexual-ha/

this president is scared of cain

ducks

11-03-2011, 11:07 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/cain-camp-considering-legal-action-against-politico/2011/11/03/gIQAc2dcjM_blog.html

cain thinking of talking them to court

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 12:48 AM

this president is scared of cainThe GOP more so. Herman Cain is a sure loser.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 12:50 AM

Besides, Herman Cain isn't in it to win. He's in it to raise his profile ahead of the release of his book.

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 12:56 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/cain-camp-considering-legal-action-against-politico/2011/11/03/gIQAc2dcjM_blog.html

cain thinking of talking them to courtFor what?

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 01:06 AM

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67581.html

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 01:34 AM

It's very unprofessional to call a journalist darling and ask her to fix your tea, regardless of dialect.
Not something that should be said, but remember:

“I have instructed our employees not to address the situation specifically,” Deace said Monday. “At this point I see no need in dragging them into this individually.”
If people don't like what are harmless remarks, and president Cain isn't told, then it's no fault of his if he continues.

Without being told that someone is uncomfortable, it cannot be considered sexual harassment. Only when reputed unwanted remarks are made, can it be considered sexual harassment when it has no direct sexual context.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 01:35 AM

Can we agree that the Herman Cain sexual harassment fiasco is exactly the kind of catastrophe that is bound to visit a campaign that is ridiculously disorganized, and a candidate that is clearly not savvy about running for political office? I don’t even care at this point whether the charges are accurate; even if we assume that they are not, Cain’s habit of shifting his story in addressing the accusations, his campaign’s treatment of reporters asking questions about the charges, and now, the wild claims that other campaigns are behind the attacks (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/02/cain-camp-accuses-perry-campaign-leaking-sexual-harassment-claims/), offered with little supporting evidence, show the Cain campaign in a very bad light, and show that the candidate himself is confused, desperate, and entirely on the defensive....

...Getting back for a moment to the misstatements of the candidate himself, Cain has never proven himself to be a disciplined speaker during his run for the Presidency. His tendency to make ridiculous statements, and then to claim that he was just joking, and his fondness for misstating facts when it comes to addressing policy are all of a piece with his varying explanations and responses to the charges against him. He has shown little to no ability to drive a message, and to show voters that he possesses a command of the issues. If this is a worthy candidate for the Presidency, then I am Marie of Roumania.http://www.chequerboard.org/2011/11/no-he-caint/

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 01:48 AM

It hardly matters whether the allegations are true, at this point the way Cain has responded to them reveals serious flaws.

Forgetfulness, flippancy with facts, changing his tale (four times on Monday alone,) hurling accusations against Perry and Romney without a shred of evidence, and an abysmal lack of message discipline. Cain had ten days to prepare a response to the Politico piece and has flubbed it miserably. Against the likes of David Axelrod he'd be cut to ribbons.

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 01:53 AM

Well WH, if style matters more to you and others than the heart of a man, then we will never have a president we can be proud of.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 02:01 AM

Even more damaging, I think, is when people tie it all together. Herman Cain’s consultant from 2004 uncovered it in 2004 and Cain launched a Presidential bid in 2011 without coming up with a damage control plan on a major issue that could destroy his campaign?

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 02:03 AM

Well WH, if style matters more to you and others than the heart of a man, then we will never have a president we can be proud of.Has nothing to do with style and everything to do with demeanor, discipline and professionalism. Herman Cain comes up woefully short.

Cry Havoc

11-04-2011, 02:06 AM

Forgetfulness, flippancy with facts, changing his tale (four times on Monday alone,) hurling accusations against Perry and Romney without a shred of evidence, and an abysmal lack of message discipline. Cain had ten days to prepare a response to the Politico piece and has flubbed it miserably. Against the likes of David Axelrod he'd be cut to ribbons.

His answer to the question about how well he would fare in a debate with Obama is reminding me more and more of Mayweather saying "Easy fight" in response to who would win if he and Pacquiao boxed. Of course, afterward Mayweather continued to run and hide. :hat

"It would almost be no contest." Yes, Cain, you'd get obliterated by Obama.

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 02:35 AM

Has nothing to do with style and everything to do with demeanor, discipline and professionalism. Herman Cain comes up woefully short.
I see...

You want perfection.

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 02:45 AM

Well WH, if style matters more to you and others than the heart of a man, then we will never have a president we can be proud of.In his heart, Cain appears to be either very stupid or just a terrible liar.

I can see how you'd be proud of him.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 02:52 AM

I see...

You want perfection.Expecting presidential candidates to be disciplined and professional isn't too much.

Cry Havoc

11-04-2011, 02:54 AM

I see...

You want perfection.

Or just a guy who won't outright lie about something that's obviously staring him in the face. This is a cartoonish display of willful ignorance from his staff. The Cubs couldn't mishandle a divisional lead worse than Cain is doing right now.

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 03:05 AM

Or just a guy who won't outright lie about something that's obviously staring him in the face. This is a cartoonish display of willful ignorance from his staff. The Cubs couldn't mishandle a divisional lead worse than Cain is doing right now.
I see.

You were that fly on the wall that knows who is lying and who isn't. Who may have forgotten a detail and who didn't. What exactly was said in what context.

OK... I understand now. You are simply intolerant because you know everything.

FuzzyLumpkins

11-04-2011, 03:09 AM

It was two women that did not know each other who made reports of harassment. Apparently he more or less asked them if they wanted to fuck. There was no force being used and there is no evidence that he persisted after the interest was not reciprocated.

The dude hits on women at work. I really could give a damn myself.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 03:12 AM

Did y'all hear China might become a nuclear power?

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 03:14 AM

Apparently he more or less asked them if they wanted to fuck.
LOL... that's the first I heard.

Now that is inappropriate if he was in a position of power over them, which as president, he was. However, I cannot believe that without some pretty solid evidence. It's one thing to be a little flirtatious, but that is out there. Besides, i head something else, which I haven't mentioned because I have no collaborating evidence. Just hearsay.

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 03:14 AM

Did y'all hear China might become a nuclear power?
You are kidding, right?

Did you forget the blue?

Are you purposely contaminating this thread?

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 03:15 AM

Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 03:16 AM

You are kidding, right?

Did you forget the blue?You're unfamiliar with the gaffe?

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 03:21 AM

CAIN: Right of return? Right of return?

WALLACE: The Palestinian right of return.

CAIN: That's something that should be negotiated...

CAIN:... but under – but not under – Palestinian conditions. Yes. They should have a right to come back if that is a decision that Israel wants to make…. I don't think they have a big problem with people returning.

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 03:22 AM

You know, that clip I heard where he basically told the reporters to fuck off...

They will hound him and make up stories, until he tells them what they want to hear. Not the truth, but what makes a good story.

I like the fact he won't kowtow to the reporters, that he won't let them take his focus off what he is doing. Have to respect that, even if you don't like his lack of tact.

Have you noticed how the reporters didn't want to discuss anything else? I'm that way too. If I am approached with only one agenda when I am doing something else, I IGNORE people.

Time to see how comical the revenge of the reporters will be.

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 03:22 AM

You are kidding, right?

Did you forget the blue?

Are you purposely contaminating this thread?I find it funny that you would call Cain's own words a contamination of a thread about Cain.

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 03:23 AM

Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan

You're unfamiliar with the gaffe?
Sorry, no. I don't watch the news. What are you talking about?

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 03:23 AM

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 03:25 AM

lol capital IGNORE

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 03:25 AM

GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain stood firm Friday on his promise to make Muslims prove loyalty to the U.S. Constitution before appointing them to his administration - a test, he has said, that would not apply to people of other faiths.

The former CEO of Godfather's Pizza denied that the proposed test is a form of discrimination when pressed Friday by CNN's John King.

"That's not discrimination. It's called trying to protect the American people," Cain said. "This nation is under attack constantly by people who want to kill all of us, so I'm going to take extra precaution."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/10/herman-cain-muslims-must-show-loyalty-to-work-for-me/

FuzzyLumpkins

11-04-2011, 03:27 AM

LOL... that's the first I heard.

Now that is inappropriate if he was in a position of power over them, which as president, he was. However, I cannot believe that without some pretty solid evidence. It's one thing to be a little flirtatious, but that is out there. Besides, i head something else, which I haven't mentioned because I have no collaborating evidence. Just hearsay.

Who gives a fuck what you believe? If you really want to believe that two unrelated women at different times reported him asking them back to his room both are just gold diggers wanting a $40k payday then you go right ahead. Its important that your sophist mind has all GOP candidates pristine, we know that.

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 03:28 AM

Why would Cain even consider appointing people he thought capable of killing us all?

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 03:29 AM

He helped the poor without one government program. He healed the sick without a government health care system. He feed the hungry without food stamps. And everywhere He went, it turned into a rally, attracting large crowds, and giving them hope, encouragement and inspiration.

For three years He was unemployed, and never collected an unemployment check. Nevertheless, he completed all the work He needed to get done. He didn’t travel by private jet. He walked and sailed, and sometimes traveled on a donkey.

But they made Him walk when He was arrested and taken to jail, and no, He was not read any Miranda Rights. He was arrested for just being who He was and doing nothing wrong. And when they tried Him in court, He never said a mumbling word.

He didn’t have a lawyer, nor did He care about who judged Him.

His judge was a higher power.

The liberal court found Him guilty of false offences and sentenced Him to death, all because He changed the hearts and minds of men with an army of 12.
http://www.redstate.com/thehermancain/2010/12/20/the-perfect-conservative/

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 03:43 AM

Brody: Are you for some sort of pro-life amendment to the Constitution that in essence would trump Roe v. Wade?

Cain: Yes. Yes I feel that strongly about it. If we can get the necessary support and it comes to my desk I’ll sign it. That’s all I can do. I will sign it.
http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2011/10/22/herman-cain-exclusive-tells-brody-file-he-will-support-constitutional.aspx

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 03:45 AM

"We don’t need to rewrite the Constitution of the United States," Cain said. "We need to reread the Constitution and enforce the Constitution."

"And I know that there’s some people that are not going to do that. So, for the benefit for those that are not going to read it because they don’t want us to go by the Constitution, there’s a little section in there that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

"You know, those ideals that we live by, we believe in, your parents believe in, they instilled in you. When you get to the part about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, don’t stop right there, keep reading.

"’Cause that’s when it says that when any form of government becomes destructive of those ideals, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it. We’ve got some altering and some abolishing to do."http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/may/25/herman-cain/cain-mistakes-declaration-independence-language-co/

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 03:47 AM

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/may/25/herman-cain/cain-mistakes-declaration-independence-language-co/That was Palinesque.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 03:54 AM

I wonder whether Palin would have mistaken the Declaration of Independence for the US Constitution, but yeah.

LnGrrrR

11-04-2011, 03:56 AM

Cain flailing lately. If he had any brains, he would've walked back that Muslim comment.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 03:57 AM

He did (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/herman-cain-tangled-up-by-rhetoric-about-muslims.php).

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 03:58 AM

I wonder whether Palin would have mistaken the Declaration of Independence for the US Constitution, but yeah.
He definitely has some weak areas. However, he was successful by surrounding himself with people who are knowledgeable in the areas he lacks, and I'm sure he would do the same as president. Then once given the proper facts, act as needed. Probably far better than the past four presidents we had.

My God...

No president was ever completely knowledgeable on everything.

LnGrrrR

11-04-2011, 04:00 AM

He did (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/herman-cain-tangled-up-by-rhetoric-about-muslims.php).

Ah thanks WH. Smart of him to do that, but that makes the original comment somewhat stupid... so he was saying that he wouldn't allow violent Muslims who supported terrorism to take office? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't win enough votes in the first place. :lol

LnGrrrR

11-04-2011, 04:01 AM

Probably far better than the past four presidents we had.

Why do Republicans hate the first Bush? I never got that.

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 04:02 AM

He definitely has some weak areas. However, he was successful by surrounding himself with people who are knowledgeable in the areas he lacks, and I'm sure he would do the same as president. Then once given the proper facts, act as needed.Sounds just like Bushy. That ended well.

Probably far better than the past four presidents we had.You have no evidence to support this contention.

My God...

No president was ever completely knowledgeable on everything.Every president since LBJ knew China has nuclear weapons. That is a minimum requirement for me.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 04:02 AM

Cain either walks it back or says he was joking. He's done it numerous times already. It makes him look silly.

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 04:02 AM

He did (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/herman-cain-tangled-up-by-rhetoric-about-muslims.php).
That's OK. I think any president, other than our current terrorist loving one, would be cautious of Muslims.

Can you say Bill Ayers (http://billayers.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/weather-underground-redux/)?

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 04:03 AM

That's OK. I think any president, other than our current terrorist loving one, would be cautious of Muslims.

Can you say Bill Ayers (http://billayers.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/weather-underground-redux/)?But Cain was just joking, so he's not really concerned.

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 04:06 AM

But Cain was just joking, so he's not really concerned.
I don't think he was joking. I simply don't think he understands the impact of what his ideas are until he has them bounced back at him. He isn't good at this political arena. I still like him though. Shows me he's a real human, and not some Manchurian candidate.

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 04:06 AM

I don't think he was joking. I simply don't think he understands the impact of what his ideas are until he has them bounced back at him. He isn't good at this political arena. I still like him though. Shows me he's a real human, and not some Manchurian candidate.He's as ignorant and as stupid as you are.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 04:07 AM

No president was ever completely knowledgeable on everything.Ordinary eighth graders can be expected to distinguish the Constitution from the Declaration of Independence...a man running for President, apparently not so much.

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 04:07 AM

He's as ignorant and as stupid as you are.
Maybe that's why I like him?

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 04:08 AM

Maybe that's why I like him?It's pretty obvious.

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 04:08 AM

Ordinary eighth graders can be expected to distinguish the Constitution from the Declaration of Independence...a man running for President, apparently not so much.
Really now...

Have you ever seen those "man on the street" interviews, asking people such simple questions?

What about the 57 states?

LnGrrrR

11-04-2011, 04:10 AM

That's OK. I think any president, other than our current terrorist loving one, would be cautious of Muslims.

Yeah, he loves terrorists so much he put out the order to kill Bin Laden, sends drones to kill terrorists in Pakistan, and hasn't even closed GTMO.

He sure is a terrorist's best friend.

Honestly WC, how can you even claim that you're unbiased/just being skeptical?

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 04:11 AM

Being familiar with the amendment process is maybe more the metier of a high-schooler, but again, Cain failed miserably. Presidents don't sign constitutional amendments.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 04:13 AM

Really now...

Have you ever seen those "man on the street" interviews, asking people such simple questions?

What about the 57 states?Why should anyone else accept your strikingly low standards for candidates?

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 04:14 AM

Or your apologies for Cain's abject ignorance of rudimentary civics?

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 04:16 AM

(to say nothing of his air-headedness wrt foreign policy)

Wild Cobra

11-04-2011, 04:19 AM

Yeah, he loves terrorists so much he put out the order to kill Bin Laden, sends drones to kill terrorists in Pakistan, and hasn't even closed GTMO.

He sure is a terrorist's best friend.

Honestly WC, how can you even claim that you're unbiased/just being skeptical?
I am very biased when it comes to our president. I think he is a piece of shit.

Really now. Didn't know reverend wrights opinions after going to his church how long? was it 20 years?

Friendly association with Bill Ayers...

Should I go on?

Sorry, but there are some things in a man's past that cannot be forgiven. That's for his God, whoever he or she may be.

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 04:50 AM

I am very biased when it comes to our president. I think he is a piece of shit.

Really now. Didn't know reverend wrights opinions after going to his church how long? was it 20 years?

Friendly association with Bill Ayers...

Should I go on?

Sorry, but there are some things in a man's past that cannot be forgiven. That's for his God, whoever he or she may be.Right. What Cain has done is unforgivable.

Thanks for agreeing.

LnGrrrR

11-04-2011, 06:26 AM

I am very biased when it comes to our president. I think he is a piece of shit.

Really now. Didn't know reverend wrights opinions after going to his church how long? was it 20 years?

Friendly association with Bill Ayers...

Should I go on?

Sorry, but there are some things in a man's past that cannot be forgiven. That's for his God, whoever he or she may be.

Regarding his policy towards terrorism, where has he indicated he was any less aggressive than Bush?

Cry Havoc

11-04-2011, 07:26 AM

Lol. Realizing that Cain is hopeless, WC seeks to move the sights to Obama.

When you're setting the bar at the level of someone you despise, you know your standards are a bit quirky.

scott

11-04-2011, 09:31 AM

:lol trying to talk sense into the guy who stalked a chick on the internet and then tried to blame it on her

JoeChalupa

11-04-2011, 09:38 AM

I can't believe how Sean insHannity was bending over backwards last night defending Cain and how only Cain't "denials" are the truth and the statements from the women are just "allegations" that cannot be proven.
But with supporters like him it is no wonder Cain has raised big cash the past few days.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 09:50 AM

trying to talk sense into the guy who stalked a chick on the internet and then tried to blame it on her Hope springs eternal.

Between his abysmal errors, his hilarious self-disclosures and his pretzel logic, a sensible word occasionally emerges from the braincase of WC, and if it does not, there is at least the entertainment value of the former.

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 09:51 AM

WC is an entertainer, one of this forum's funniest and maybe the funniest ever.

ducks

11-04-2011, 01:20 PM

Cain Maintains Momentum Despite Sexual Harassment Allegations, Polls Show

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/04/cain-maintains-momentum-despite-sexual-harassment-allegations-polls-show/#ixzz1clJBdPCI

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 01:23 PM

ducks

11-04-2011, 01:24 PM

Cain's political allies are trying to take the offensive. Late Thursday, a group called Americans for Cain released a Web video that, without offering proof, blamed liberals for the furor surrounding Cain and called the process "a high-tech lynching."

The one-minute video maintains that liberals and the mainstream media can't challenge Cain on the merits of his policies, so they've attacked him with the sexual harassment reports, just as Clarence Thomas came under similar scrutiny during his Supreme Court confirmation hearings.

ducks

11-04-2011, 01:29 PM

Music to Obama's ears.

cain would beat obama

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 01:29 PM

Cain's response has been notably incompetent, a fact not lost on numerous conservative commentators linked in this thread.

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 01:33 PM

ducks

11-04-2011, 01:35 PM

Cain's response has been notably incompetent, a fact not lost on numerous conservative commentators linked in this thread.

but he keeps the lead and momentum and keeps the $$$ coming in

seems most people are not buying it

atleast he was born in the USA...

his cabinet will make him a good president or not
just like the so called president we have now. his cabinet sucks donkeyballs

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 01:38 PM

ducks

11-04-2011, 01:40 PM

Cain plays the race card. How proud you must be.

Based on what? Your wishful thinking?

polls .....

unless this country turns around and people get jobs the guy in the whitehouse is TOAST
he even admitted this country was better off or the same before he took over

ducks

11-04-2011, 01:41 PM

lol ducks going full birther

donald trump is spending $$$ to prove he is not a USA citizen

Winehole23

11-04-2011, 01:42 PM

George Gervin's Afro

11-04-2011, 01:42 PM

Cain and his supporters have blamed

Perry
Mainstream media
liberals

ducks

11-04-2011, 01:43 PM

and rascal voting for the democrat because of conversative radio is as bright as a light bought
you should vote for the person who you think will do the best job regardless of race,party or gender

ducks

11-04-2011, 01:43 PM

Cain and his supporters have blamed

Perry
Mainstream media
liberals

humm no race

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 01:44 PM

polls .....

unless this country turns around and people get jobs the guy in the whitehouse is TOAST
he even admitted this country was better off or the same before he took overLink.

donald trump is spending $$$ to prove he is not a USA citizenlol believing Donald Trump

ducks

11-04-2011, 01:45 PM

Cain isn't doing the legwork and besides, he lacks the organization and the money to be competitive against Romney and Perry.

Buddy Roemer has spent way more time in IA than Cain. Same goes for Jon Huntsman in NH. And those guys have practically no chance at all. Work ethic is becoming an issue here.

people keep saying money but cain keeps the lead we shall see

perry is toast and romney changes policys every five seconds
money can not save him

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 01:46 PM

humm no race

Cain's political allies are trying to take the offensive. Late Thursday, a group called Americans for Cain released a Web video that, without offering proof, blamed liberals for the furor surrounding Cain and called the process "a high-tech lynching."

The one-minute video maintains that liberals and the mainstream media can't challenge Cain on the merits of his policies, so they've attacked him with the sexual harassment reports, just as Clarence Thomas came under similar scrutiny during his Supreme Court confirmation hearings.lol self-ownage

hater

11-04-2011, 01:46 PM

donald trump is spending $$$ to prove he is not a USA citizen

:lmao what? :lmao

ducks

11-04-2011, 01:46 PM

Link.

lol believing Donald Trump

I beileve trump over you:lol

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 01:48 PM

people keep saying money but cain keeps the lead we shall see

perry is toast and romney changes policys every five seconds
money can not save him
In the Washington Post survey of Republican and GOP-leaning independent voters, Cain received 23 percent support compared with 24 percent for Romney.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/04/cain-maintains-momentum-despite-sexual-harassment-allegations-polls-show/#ixzz1clQGHIYk

lol lead of -1

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 01:49 PM

I beileve trump over you:lolYes, that is laughable.

DMX7

11-04-2011, 01:52 PM

donald trump is spending $$$ to prove he is not a USA citizen

:lmao like the guy he sent to Hawaii that found stuff was "shocking"??? LOLZ

FuzzyLumpkins

11-04-2011, 01:56 PM

but he keeps the lead and momentum and keeps the $$$ coming in

seems most people are not buying it

atleast he was born in the USA...

his cabinet will make him a good president or not
just like the so called president we have now. his cabinet sucks donkeyballs

Birther shit? Really?

I guess we will see how the Puritans and women vote in the primaries. You go and hold your breath.

And while Obama's cabinet is certainly a mixed bag, the leadership within the foreign policy community has been spot on. Petraeus and Clinton have performed admirably.

I think that the US approach of multilateral Libyan policy gives hope for US intervention in the future after the unilateral fuckups that were Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. That community and those think tanks have needed a wake up call for a very long time.

Although we are leaving a base there 60k men and women that will be home for Christmas from Iraq. There have been all kinds of further talk of downsizing the defense department but those guys have been fairly levelheaded about the prospects. Its Senate Committee chairs that freak out and not our brass.

Giethner is a condescending ass that cares more about Europe than our banking issues here and the rest are ineffective at best. I really hate Giethner.

ducks

11-04-2011, 05:32 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/04/cain-maintains-momentum-despite-sexual-harassment-allegations-polls-show/#ixzz1clQGHIYk

lol lead of -1

lol but without no money and no orogantion skills according to people
you would think he would be 4% not at where he is

ChumpDumper

11-04-2011, 05:48 PM

lol but without no money and no orogantion skills according to people
you would think he would be 4% not at where he islol but with this group of candidates, it's like being declared the king of the dipshits.

scott

11-04-2011, 05:57 PM

Leave it to ducks to take the heat off Wild Cobra for being the forum's resident idiot.

spursncowboys

11-05-2011, 01:30 PM

Cain isn't doing the legwork and besides, he lacks the organization and the money to be competitive against Romney and Perry.

Buddy Roemer has spent way more time in IA than Cain. Same goes for Jon Huntsman in NH. And those guys have practically no chance at all. Work ethic is becoming an issue here.

Doing venues in South Carolina and Florida are not a testament to a lack of work ethic but definitely organizational make up.

Winehole23

11-05-2011, 03:48 PM

What about taking December off to promote his book?

ducks

11-06-2011, 04:38 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/06/cain-offers-ethics-reminder-to-reporters-in-pushback-over-sex-harassment/

FuzzyLumpkins

11-06-2011, 04:44 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/06/cain-offers-ethics-reminder-to-reporters-in-pushback-over-sex-harassment/

You think Fox News is an objective source for information on political candidates. I guess its easier than thinking for yourself.

ChumpDumper

11-06-2011, 05:36 PM

Man, Cain is a pussy.

Ignignokt

11-06-2011, 11:29 PM

Man, Cain is a pussy.

Yeah, you even got this wrong.

Cain is not a pussy. He's a moron, and a deceptive jingoist that proves the later version of the Tea Party didn't really give a shit about the wasteful Fed or corporate cronyism, and bailouts, as he has been a supporter of all three major disasterous points.

ChumpDumper

11-06-2011, 11:31 PM

Yeah, you even got this wrong.

Cain is not a pussy. He's a moron, and a deceptive jingoist that proves the later version of the Tea Party didn't really give a shit about the wasteful Fed or corporate cronyism, and bailouts, as he has been a supporter of all three major disasterous points.He is also a pussy.

boutons_deux

11-07-2011, 01:43 PM

#4 stepping up to the mic:

Allred says new woman to accuse Cain

High-profile discrimination attorney Gloria Allred said Monday that another woman is accusing Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain of sexual harassment and will appear at a news conference in New York City later in the day.

Allred's client -- whom she did not identify -- would be the first woman to go public with accusations that Cain has engaged in inappropriate sexual behavior, and the fourth to allege misconduct.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-ap-us-cain,0,4181634.story

========

The sexual predator has been whining about how tough this all is on his wife. :lol

JohnnyMarzetti

11-07-2011, 02:42 PM

Allred's "Stimulus package" joke bombed.

DMX7

11-07-2011, 03:15 PM

lol, another one comes forward.

JohnnyMarzetti

11-07-2011, 03:19 PM

NYTimes: Second accuser says Sharon Bialek's story sounds familiar.

hater

11-07-2011, 03:26 PM

Bialek said the alleged incident in question occurred down the street from the NRA headquarters. Describing what happened she said, "Instead of going into the offices, he suddenly reached over and put his hand on my leg, up my skirt, and towards my genitals." She recalled that when she protested the advances, Cain said, "You want a job right?"

Bialek alleged that Cain also "grabbed [her] head and brought it towards his crotch." She said that she was "shocked" by the behavior.

:lol