Penn State cover up [Archive] - Page 2

JMarkJohns

11-10-2011, 08:54 PM

ah, I see. does anyone doubt he is dead and most likely killed?

The unsubstantiated rumor is he knew too much/in too deep and was hushed by the rich boosters.

...or perhaps he knew too much/in too deep and was hushed by the seedy mobsters?

I tend to believe he was in on this to some degree, because his home computer revealed searches on how to clean hard drives, and his laptop harddrive was removed from the discarded computer, and his cell phone was left with his car, possibly to avoid it being tracked.

There's too many actual coincidences in this to chalk his early involvement and subsequent/simultaneous disappearance as crazy. Too much of a connection and the pieces fit too nicely.

coyotes_geek

11-10-2011, 09:08 PM

Looks like Paterno has lawyered up. (http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/10/8742718-paterno-contacts-criminal-defense-lawyer-source-tells-nbc-news)

Joe Paterno has reached out to a prominent Washington criminal defense lawyer to represent him in the Penn State sex abuse case, a source close to the case told NBC News.

J. Sedgwick Sollers, who once represented President George H.W. Bush in the Iran-Contra affair, was contacted by Paterno's advisers on Thursday. But Sollers has not yet met with Paterno, and a formal retainer agreement has not been signed.

silverblk mystix

11-10-2011, 09:55 PM

Looks like Paterno has lawyered up. (http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/10/8742718-paterno-contacts-criminal-defense-lawyer-source-tells-nbc-news)

Motha fucka is a hundred fuckin years old....why doesn't he fuckin retire and shut the fuck up already...

he has done enough damage already...

what does he want....money????

his job back?????

Just die already.

DarkReign

11-10-2011, 10:02 PM

I was listening to local sports radio today and some lady called and made a really good analogy, I thought.

She was trying to rationalize how McQueary could walk into the lockeroom, see Sandusky abusing a child, and then proceed to do the equivalent of nothing at all.

She couldnt come to terms with it. He obviously wasnt in on it because he reported it to his superiors. Why didnt he call the cops? Make a bigger deal about it, etc?

If you walked in on one of your bosses raping a child, youd report him, period. Fuck your job/career, this guy is a piece of shit.

But if your boss also happens to be a mob boss, you would probably shut the door and never speak of it again.

Basically, she made an apt analogy that McQueary may have felt that Penn State could have ruined him and not only his career. Maybe he felt PSU had all arms of law enforcement in their pocket and could even go so far as to falsely convict him of some wrong-doing.

I know this doesnt mean anything and to me, it absolves McQueary of nothing (nothing at all), but it would explain much about the lack of follow through on the case by so many people.

Giuseppe

11-10-2011, 10:17 PM

Looks like Paterno has lawyered up. (http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/10/8742718-paterno-contacts-criminal-defense-lawyer-source-tells-nbc-news)

His only mistake was not retaining one immediately when this thing broke Monday morning. He coulda got the Mackey girl. She got Kobe straightened out in nothing flat.

johngateswhiteley

11-10-2011, 10:23 PM

The unsubstantiated rumor is he knew too much/in too deep and was hushed by the rich boosters.

...or perhaps he knew too much/in too deep and was hushed by the seedy mobsters?

I tend to believe he was in on this to some degree, because his home computer revealed searches on how to clean hard drives, and his laptop harddrive was removed from the discarded computer, and his cell phone was left with his car, possibly to avoid it being tracked.

There's too many actual coincidences in this to chalk his early involvement and subsequent/simultaneous disappearance as crazy. Too much of a connection and the pieces fit too nicely.

whoa whoa whoa.. do you think sandusky was involved with the mob? aside, couldn't his computer search have been planted by someone else? the hard drive been taken by someone else?

..seems too convenient.

as for paterno hiring a lawyer.. i think that says a lot. guilty.

ChumpDumper

11-10-2011, 10:41 PM

I'm sure he had a lawyer back in April.

JMarkJohns

11-10-2011, 10:55 PM

whoa whoa whoa.. do you think sandusky was involved with the mob? aside, couldn't his computer search have been planted by someone else? the hard drive been taken by someone else?

The mobsters are the heroin racket he was DAing over and trying to take down.

I don't typically do the conspiracy thing, but this is just too perfect a storm of coincidence to not try and connect the phantom dots.

johngateswhiteley

11-10-2011, 11:25 PM

The mobsters are the heroin racket he was DAing over and trying to take down.

I don't typically do the conspiracy thing, but this is just too perfect a storm of coincidence to not try and connect the phantom dots.

right, but do you think sandusky could have had some connection to that mob? or simply separate incidents, of which one led to his demise?

its just too insane..

JMarkJohns

11-11-2011, 12:12 PM

right, but do you think sandusky could have had some connection to that mob? or simply separate incidents, of which one led to his demise?

its just too insane..

I'm not ready to make the leap that Sandusky had connections to drug running organized crime. However, if these peripheral allegations of a prostitution ring are true, then he catered to those with massive amounts of money, power and influence, so I suppose it's possible, but my post was to highlight them as separate possibilities for the DA's disappearance. Each has legs, TBH...

leemajors

11-11-2011, 12:53 PM

http://deadspin.com/5858533/sandusky-made-half-a-million-dollars-at-the-second-mile-after-admitting-he-showered-with-a-boy-according-to-tax-records

Cry Havoc

11-11-2011, 01:02 PM

McQueary will not be at the game tomorrow because of fears for his security.

Cry Havoc

11-11-2011, 01:02 PM

Also, Penn State just lost a recruit who decommitted to the university.

NFO

11-11-2011, 03:44 PM

bullshit.

I knew your life could be summed up in one word.

if you suspend kids for one game or five, it should start with the very next game, regardless of where they are at that point in the season. It happens like that in every sport. Players get suspended during playoffs all the time for infractions.

Every sport is not the NCAA. You should know that by now, but having seen your previous posts, it is obvious simple concepts take you awhile to figure you. Keep trying though.

The fact that these Ohio St players got to play in the Sugar Bowl reeks of NCAA hypocrisy.

Perhaps, but it has been done before by the NCAA. So if there is a precedent I don't think you can be a hypocrite. You may want to check the definition though.

The only one that doesn't get that is stupid Ohio St fan that would have been pissed if they didnt play because he already bought his ticket.

You do know the difference between an exhibition and a regular season game right or do I have to explain that to you? Dude you just don't get, never will, just accept that and move on.

Cry Havoc

11-11-2011, 04:10 PM

McQueary will not be at the game tomorrow and has been placed on administrative leave, per ESPN's coverage of Rodney Erickson's press conference as the new president of Penn State.

Cry Havoc

11-11-2011, 04:10 PM

It was the right call. What took them so long to make it?

Fpoonsie

11-11-2011, 04:32 PM

I'm confused. Was McQueary getting threats because he blew the whistle or threats because he was still employed?

Axe Murderer

11-11-2011, 04:41 PM

I'm confused. Was McQueary getting threats because he blew the whistle or threats because he was still employed?

Probably because he saw Sandusky in the shower with the boy and did nothing about it at the time except tell Paterno. If he would've beat the shit out of him and/or called the cops right away, they would've avoided this whole mess

silverblk mystix

11-11-2011, 05:17 PM

Probably because he saw Sandusky in the shower with the boy and did nothing about it at the time except tell Paterno. If he would've beat the shit out of him and/or called the cops right away, they would've avoided this whole mess

Really?

Do you think an ass kicking would have changed Sandusky's sickness?

Or cured it?

Cry Havoc

11-11-2011, 05:21 PM

Really?

Do you think an ass kicking would have changed Sandusky's sickness?

Or cured it?

It would have stopped that child from being raped at the time, absolutely. I don't think it was being suggested as a long-term solution, but if I walked in there and saw that, I am absolutely sure that I would have been kicking that guys ass. I can't believe someone would care enough about his career/standing in a school that he would see a ten year old helpless in a position like that and WALK AWAY. That is just unfathomable to me.

silverblk mystix

11-11-2011, 05:24 PM

It would have stopped that child from being raped at the time, absolutely. I don't think it was being suggested as a long-term solution, but if I walked in there and saw that, I am absolutely sure that I would have been kicking that guys ass. I can't believe someone would care enough about his career/standing in a school that he would see a ten year old helpless in a position like that and WALK AWAY. That is just unfathomable to me.

Yup.

Spurminator

11-11-2011, 05:31 PM

Axe Murderer

11-11-2011, 05:39 PM

Really?

Do you think an ass kicking would have changed Sandusky's sickness?

Or cured it?

tbh this isn't the kind of response i was expecting from a guy who spends all day ramming the barrel of a gun up an inmate's asshole for amusement

Cry Havoc

11-11-2011, 05:48 PM

I have a hard time saying for sure what I would do if I saw one of my superiors raping a child because I can imagine my brain would have trouble processing that for a while.

My concern would not be going into shock and doing nothing.

It would be the worry that I wouldn't stop hitting the guy after I got him off the kid. Maybe with some kind of blunt object.

JMarkJohns

11-11-2011, 06:02 PM

I have a hard time saying for sure what I would do if I saw one of my superiors raping a child because I can imagine my brain would have trouble processing that for a while.

After it sinks in, you absolutely have to involve the authorities.

I think this is a fair question. I know we'd all like to state with certainty that we'd take action. We can hope while hoping we never have to prove it.

However, Sandusky hadn't been his superior for years, and while the the 28-YO grad assistant probably had a long-standing appreciation for Sandusky, I can't really imagine the idea of "confronting a superior" was what stopped him. Probably more the psychological ramifications from witnessing that.

They unfortunate aspect for him is his stalled action/continued silence led to him being a despised scapegoat, while had he taken action and been a real whistle-blower immediately, he'd have gone down as a hero and likely would have had his career even furthered from the ensuing good will.

Just a gross miscalculation of priorities, it seems, not just for McQueery, but all involved.

Giuseppe

11-11-2011, 06:16 PM

I'm confused. Was McQueary getting threats because he blew the whistle or threats because he was still employed?

We have to wait for Media to tell us. They're runnin' this fuckin' show and have been for the last 15 years.

ChumpDumper

11-11-2011, 06:32 PM

We have to wait for Media to tell us. They're runnin' this fuckin' show and have been for the last 15 years.What is your evidence of this?

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-11-2011, 06:35 PM

What is your evidence of this?
Expect some retarded cop out response, "I don't use evidence. It's my religion."

djohn2oo8

11-11-2011, 06:38 PM

Penn State's deposed receivers coach Mike McQueary, today placed on what the school called "administrative leave," moments ago told his receivers on a brief conference call that he was in "protective custody" at a secluded location not in State College.

McQueary, witness to the alleged sexual assault of a 10-year-old boy in 2002 by Jerry Sandusky, has been the subject of physical threats. He is the key subject in further investigation into the scandal and potentially could be the single most important trial witness.

On Friday afternoon, according to two team sources, new receivers coach Kermit Buggs gathered his players in a room at the PSU football complex and allowed them to talk with McQueary on a speaker phone.

During a brief and emotional conversation, McQueary told them, “I wanted to let you guys know I'm not your coach anymore. I'm done.”

When players asked, "Coach, where are you? Can we see you?" McQueary responded, “No, I'm actually in protective custody. I'm not in State College.”

McQueary added that he was, "Double-fisting it," meaning he was having two drinks at once.

It was decided by school officials yesterday that McQueary would not coach in Saturday's game against Nebraska after he received threats.
McQueary, 37, has been a full-time coach at PSU since 2004, specializing as the receivers coach and recruiting coordinator. He was the Nittany Lions' starting quarterback in 1997. He is married with a 2-year-old daughter.

http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2011/11/mcqueary_tells_psu_wideouts_he.html

ChumpDumper

11-11-2011, 06:40 PM

Expect some retarded cop out response, "I don't use evidence. It's my religion."He'll trace it back to Randy Weaver.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-11-2011, 06:43 PM

What's scary is the amount inbreds in Arizona who think just like Cully

djohn2oo8

11-11-2011, 06:46 PM

LOL Putting McQueery in protective custody

JMarkJohns

11-11-2011, 06:59 PM

Apparently, McQueery didn't always have the history of being a wuss...

Suspended Penn State receiver Chris Bell was kicked off the team yesterday after his latest run-in with the law.

According to a university police report, an agitated Bell threatened defensive end Devon Still with a knife Monday night during dinner at the team's dining hall.

Bell, 21, is facing misdemeanor charges of terroristic threats, simple assault, recklessly endangering another person, disorderly conduct and harassment.

"Chris Bell, who had been previously suspended from team activities, is permanently removed from the team and will not be reconsidered to be a part of the team in the future," Penn State spokesman Jeff Nelson said in a statement.

Penn State police say they responded to Pollock Dining Commons at 6:28 p.m. Monday to reports of a male wielding a knife.

Receivers coach Mike McQueary told police that Bell entered the dining hall and approached Still, who was seated at a table. McQueary said Bell, 6 feet 2 and 213 pounds, had a cooking knife with an 8-inch blade and started an altercation with Still, who is 6-5, 296.

In the police report, Still said he suspected Bell had taken his cell phone case from his locker earlier in the day. Still also accused Bell of stealing other items from him in the past. Bell denied those accusations, but as he approached Still and pulled the knife out of his shirt sleeve, Bell told Still: "Come get the case and I'm going to stab you."

Three Penn State assistant coaches -- McQueary, offensive line coach Dick Anderson and safeties coach Kermit Buggs -- were able to restrain Bell and take the knife from his hand.

As Bell was being escorted from the dining hall, the police report said he shouted at Still: "I have more knives and a gun up here."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08100/871627-143.stm

Sort of makes his inaction look that much worse.

Fabbs

11-11-2011, 07:01 PM

johngateswhiteley

11-11-2011, 07:12 PM

I think this is a fair question. I know we'd all like to state with certainty that we'd take action. We can hope while hoping we never have to prove it.

However, Sandusky hadn't been his superior for years, and while the the 28-YO grad assistant probably had a long-standing appreciation for Sandusky, I can't really imagine the idea of "confronting a superior" was what stopped him. Probably more the psychological ramifications from witnessing that.

They unfortunate aspect for him is his stalled action/continued silence led to him being a despised scapegoat, while had he taken action and been a real whistle-blower immediately, he'd have gone down as a hero and likely would have had his career even furthered from the ensuing good will.

Just a gross miscalculation of priorities, it seems, not just for McQueery, but all involved.

i am kind of tired of everyone saying they would have, 'beat sandusky's ass' ...maybe, maybe not. if you try and put yourself in mcqueery's shoes, not only is it his superior, but someone certainly admired.. performing an act incredibly distant from any sense of familiarity with that person. its absolutely nuts. i don't know how many of you have come across a kid getting raped, which i might add, is much different than running into someone you know, raping a kid. the latter much more difficult to process.. much more.

..sure, right now i would think i would physically stop it no matter what. but, it sure is easy to talk about.

silverblk mystix

11-11-2011, 07:38 PM

tbh this isn't the kind of response i was expecting from a guy who spends all day ramming the barrel of a gun up an inmate's asshole for amusement

Uh...

You can't bring your weapon inside a corrections facility...

but only intelligent people would have known that.

Cry Havoc

11-11-2011, 07:52 PM

i am kind of tired of everyone saying they would have, 'beat sandusky's ass' ...maybe, maybe not. if you try and put yourself in mcqueery's shoes, not only is it his superior, but someone certainly admired.. performing an act incredibly distant from any sense of familiarity with that person. its absolutely nuts. i don't know how many of you have come across a kid getting raped, which i might add, is much different than running into someone you know, raping a kid. the latter much more difficult to process.. much more.

..sure, right now i would think i would physically stop it no matter what. but, it sure is easy to talk about.

I've put a stop to fights before. I've seen men getting into altercations with women and got between them without a second thought. Obviously the gravity of the situation in this case is that much greater, but I think if I could do that, then I can do this. It's not me saying I'm a tough guy, just saying I don't think I could stand by to watch it. That doesn't make me tough at all to rescue a child, IMO.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-11-2011, 07:53 PM

Sandusky was retired, he wasn't a superior to McQueery at all.

Cry Havoc

11-11-2011, 08:06 PM

Sandusky was retired, he wasn't a superior to McQueery at all.

Maybe not technically, but you always call a coach "coach". Always feels like a superior I think to just about any player.

Giuseppe

11-11-2011, 08:17 PM

What's scary is the amount inbreds in Arizona who think just like Cully

There is a goodly amount of posters on these Boards who agree with my McVeigh point. They're just too afraid to say it aloud. That's okay, I'll say it in honor of McVeigh.

I owe him that.

Giuseppe

11-11-2011, 08:19 PM

What is your evidence of this?

Media would like to make a hero of McQuery, but, they ain't quite sure "we're" that fuckin' stupid.

tee, hee.

johngateswhiteley

11-11-2011, 08:22 PM

I've put a stop to fights before. I've seen men getting into altercations with women and got between them without a second thought. Obviously the gravity of the situation in this case is that much greater, but I think if I could do that, then I can do this. It's not me saying I'm a tough guy, just saying I don't think I could stand by to watch it. That doesn't make me tough at all to rescue a child, IMO.

i would hope thats what i and others would do.. just think its funny how so many are harping on the fact they would stop it 100% and cannot fathom why mcqueery did not do anything. i could understand mcqueery's actions, though i certainly do not condone them.

..easy to say, and typical banter.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-11-2011, 08:26 PM

Maybe not technically, but you always call a coach "coach". Always feels like a superior I think to just about any player.
Um I was on your side. I think JGW defending McQueery is retarded. If I saw my freshman gym coach in high school sodomizing a 14 year old right now I wouldn't give a shit about him being my "coach".

ChumpDumper

11-11-2011, 08:32 PM

Media would like to make a hero of McQuery, but, they ain't quite sure "we're" that fuckin' stupid.

tee, hee.What is your evidence of this?

tlongII

11-11-2011, 08:34 PM

I don't think McQueary did enough, but to villify him is ridiculous imo. After all, it's his grand jury testimony that is lighting this powder keg.

JMarkJohns

11-11-2011, 08:39 PM

LA Sports radio was reporting a media guy back East predicted this whole Penn State deal 6 months ago. Can't remember name of guy. Said he was bombastic and over the top and so a lot of what he said was blown off due to his rep. But now if you read his 6 months old article it's like exactly what just came down at Molest State.

I think I posted the link here. Maddux was his name... from Pittsburgh.

johngateswhiteley

11-11-2011, 08:54 PM

I think JGW defending McQueery is retarded. .

i am not sure how you came to that conclusion. i never said, nor insinuated, anything of the such. you should reread; my point is i think its absurd everyone, literally, has been saying they would have physically stopped the 'act' ..i am not so sure. in fact, i highly doubt it. but i am not defending anything, simply pointing out its very easy to arm chair strategize after the fact. typical.

personally, i think i would have intervened.. but cannot say with absolute certainty. i was not in the situation and its very difficult to imagine.

ChumpDumper

11-11-2011, 09:56 PM

Sisk

11-11-2011, 11:27 PM

Much better, Penn State:

http://s1-03.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/445582081.jpg

Giuseppe

11-11-2011, 11:56 PM

^Media shaped & framed 'em. They're startin' to get with the program.

That's what American Media does.

Giuseppe

11-12-2011, 12:06 AM

A day late and a dollar short

They figured if Media could be morally bankrupt for over a decade in the shadow of raped children, they was entitled to a few days to get their mind right.

Sisk

11-12-2011, 12:38 AM

What happened to the real Jay Mariotti after beating his girlfriend or whatever?

They didn't mandate anything AFAIK.

Giuseppe

11-12-2011, 12:43 AM

You have to wonder if Penn State mandated that candlelight visual.

Media brow beating 'em for 72 hours straight does strange things to the American psyche.

Sisk

11-12-2011, 12:44 AM

Joe Paterno covered up his whereabouts as a favor to Sandusky

They are BFF's

So... what about Jay Mariotti?

11-12-2011, 04:08 AM

Anyone wanna read the sick shit Sandusky did....here ya' go...

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

:wow

silverblk mystix

11-12-2011, 05:57 AM

:wow

...and that was just the first 8 victims...

I am wondering when the rest of the victim's allegations will come out officially...

there was some disturbing shit on that grand jury report....

anyone else read this?

Giuseppe

11-12-2011, 07:51 AM

...and that was just the first 8 victims

They'll be a gaggle of victims that Sandusky never got within a mile of before this is over.

But, it's for the kids.

tee, hee.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

11-12-2011, 10:03 AM

I think JGW defending McQueery is retarded.

I don't, and I would say it's trying to understand his thinking.

This is someone he's been taught to idolize and admire his entire life. In a culture that teaches, above all else, to protect the program.

In the moment, I can understand it, but certainly not condone it.

Now McQ still going to Second Mile events with Sandusky after seeing that old fucker raping these kids? Just plain fucked up and unpossible to try and understand. Business as usual for all involved.

The fact that Sandusky wasn't tarred, feathered and banished by PSU leads me to believe that Joe isn't the only one to know where all the bodies are buried in Happy Valley.

They all need to burn for this.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

11-12-2011, 10:18 AM

Just to underscore how fucked up the brainwashed mentality is around Happy Valley, McQ is getting death threats, not for doing more for the child, but for getting JoePa fired.

This book is going to be a must read and I hope someone with chops authors it.

JMarkJohns

11-12-2011, 10:53 AM

Sandusky and his wife have six adopted children and have been foster parents throughout the years. They live within a block of a school and a playground.

You can't make this stuff up.

Giuseppe

11-12-2011, 10:55 AM

This book is going to be a must read and I hope someone with chops authors it.

The line will be long & distinguished.

Like Sandusky's johnson.:lol

Giuseppe

11-12-2011, 10:58 AM

Too bad Penn State University isn't in CA. Michael Jackson pulled the same stunt out there and ened up canonized in the HOF.

Fabbs

11-12-2011, 11:45 AM

Apparantly they are not all ass kissing pedo condoners.

A plane just flew overhead (see below) with a sign that, according to multiple witnesses, reads: "Joe is so dirty he needs a shower."

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/12/joe-paterno-penn-state-sign-photo/#.Tr6iclains0

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

11-12-2011, 11:59 AM

In addition to power and control dynamics among the staff and Paterno’s powerful presence in the community, a crazy tradition at Penn State was the coaches showered together after each practice and game. We never did this at Brown or at the University of Rhode Island, and my coaching friends never experienced this on their staffs.

Oh, this is definitely going to become a lot worse as former coaches and GAs start to speak out.

Baron Davιs

11-12-2011, 12:24 PM

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/131728392.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892155F29F61288AC1CA0A491A8DD4BF34EA 313F98C9867A76E01CD65061D7E9FA95E30A760B0D811297

leemajors

11-12-2011, 01:06 PM

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Cry Havoc

11-12-2011, 01:15 PM

The line will be long & distinguished.

Like Sandusky's johnson.:lol

The plaque for the alternates is in the Penn State Ladies' Room.

johngateswhiteley

11-12-2011, 01:58 PM

Oh, this is definitely going to become a lot worse as former coaches and GAs start to speak out.

this has to be the most fascinating and disturbing story i have ever been aware of..

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

11-12-2011, 05:35 PM

PSU supporters continue to be stupid cunts:

In the middle of Curtin Road, John Matko held one handwritten sign in his right hand and rested another against his jeans. Two inches of black tape obscured Penn State’s logo on the 34-year-old father’s hat, as he tried to ignore the jeers, slaps and beer hurled at him.

“Put abused kids first,” one of Matko’s signs read. “Don’t be fooled, they all knew. Tom Bradley, everyone must go.”

Penn State's Beaver Stadium loomed 30 yards away, rumbling with the first roars of Saturday’s game with Nebraska. The sea of blue-clad supporters wearing gray fedoras and camouflage hunting jackets and “This is JoePa’s house” T-shirts parted around Matko.

“That is such bull–-!” one young woman screamed at him after glancing at the signs. “Who the f– do you think you are?”

Eyes hidden by blue aviator sunglasses, Matko didn’t respond.

The night before, thousands of students held candles and sang Coldplay’s “Fix You” a capella in front of Old Main to support victims of sexual abuse. They wanted to show a different side to Penn State than the 40 charges of child sexual abuse against ex-football assistant Jerry Sandusky or the riots late Wednesday after the university fired iconic coach Joe Paterno for his role in the cover-up.

Under Saturday’s cloudless sky, Curtin Street revealed something else.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/12/penn-state-stadium-profanity-scorn-joe-paterno/

Cry Havoc

11-12-2011, 06:58 PM

PSU supporters continue to be stupid cunts:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/12/penn-state-stadium-profanity-scorn-joe-paterno/

Disgusting. What a horrible side to humanity.

11-12-2011, 10:17 PM

PSU supporters continue to be stupid cunts:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/12/penn-state-stadium-profanity-scorn-joe-paterno/

What a fucking retard.

JoeTait75

11-13-2011, 09:07 AM

Disgusting. What a horrible side to humanity.

Penn State should never play another down of big-time college football again. Three-to-five-year Death Penalty, reduce Beaver Stadium to 20,000 seats; in the future their archrivals should be Widener and Shippensburg.

I say this knowing the values at Ohio State and every other big-time football factory are just as warped. Let the ruins of Penn State football serve as an example to others.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 11:17 AM

It's a hoot. This country stood by while Michael Jackson raped & pillaged young boys and then when he died this country through the immediate auspices of MSM made damn sure he was taken care of. Not for his sake, but, for $ and for no other reason. Same thing here at Penn State. What a crock of absolute shit.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 11:24 AM

Guiseppe was probably one of those asshurt Republicans when the :crygotcha media:cry was exposing Sarah Palin as a batshit crazy retard

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 11:27 AM

^I found salvation when stage 4 Elizabeth Edwards conspired with her cheating husband to keep it on the down low so he could still be POTUS.

tee, hee.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 11:29 AM

of course you're also someone who thinks adultery is a big deal

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 11:38 AM

of course you're also someone who thinks adultery is a big deal

I made an exception when a woman is dieing, but, still insists on defrauding the American people.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 11:39 AM

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 11:40 AM

lol media conspiracy

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 11:41 AM

lol Republicans who blame the :cryevil liberal media:cry for everything

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 11:45 AM

lol media conspiracy

Michael Jackson good

Jerry Sandusky bad

Everybody got that now?

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 11:46 AM

lol Republicans who blame the :cryevil liberal media:cry for everything

At least for raped little boys in CA. & PA..

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 11:46 AM

I seem to recall Michael Jackson caught plenty of flak for molesting kids

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 11:47 AM

At least for raped little boys in CA. & PA..
And Wac:lol Texas

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 11:47 AM

I seem to recall Michael Jackson caught plenty of flak for molesting kidsIndeed. It was covered by the media.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 11:48 AM

adultery shouldn't matter at all. If someone is a great president but likes getting pussy on the side, fine by me. It's only a big deal because of batshit crazy bible thumpers like you make it a big deal.

Then Elizabeth Edwards shoulda aspired to your high ideals and from her death bed stated:::"My husband and I have decided to let him hammer strange wool like trout meat. I'm jake with it, and don't you Americans hold it against him at all. But, instead embrace and elect him POTUS. Now, let me die in peace."

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 11:48 AM

And someone dying always makes people forget the bad stuff they did

When JoePa dies no one is gonna talk about this whole scandal, they'll pretend it never happened

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 11:49 AM

I seem to recall Michael Jackson caught plenty of flak for molesting kids

"flak"...lucky him.

tee, hee.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 11:50 AM

Indeed. It was covered by the media.

Not covered up. Just ignored. Like Sandusy raping and mayheming up in PA.. Once Paterno got to 409...it was Katie bar the door.

Payday!!!

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 11:51 AM

And someone dying always makes people forget the bad stuff they did

When JoePa dies no one is gonna talk about this whole scandal, they'll pretend it never happened

No. Alive or dead everyone will be accounted for on these Boards.

Signed,

- Pappy

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 11:53 AM

lol the evil media

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

11-13-2011, 11:55 AM

Are you referencing this or is it merely a coincidence?

"The media got Joe Paterno fired,'' claimed Crawford, 48, an engineer from Bedford, Pa., and a 1983 Penn State alum. "The media is out of control in this country. They ruined Sarah Palin, and now they're trying to ruin Paterno."

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 11:55 AM

Then Elizabeth Edwards shoulda aspired to your high ideals and from her death bed stated:::"My husband and I have decided to let him hammer strange wool like trout meat. I'm jake with it, and don't you Americans hold it against him at all. But, instead embrace and elect him POTUS. Now, let me die in peace."It wasn't the adultery that did Edwards in; it was the insane lying about the adultery. He learned nothing from Clinton.

Not covered up. Just ignored.No. Covered means it wasn't ignored.
Like Sandusy raping and mayheming up in PA.. Once Paterno got to 409...it was Katie bar the door.

Payday!!!No. It was the grand jury. You don't even know what you're talking about. You just make up shit to confirm your wingnut bias.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 11:56 AM

:lmao classic example of a retarded American

:cryruined Sarah Palin:cry

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 11:57 AM

lol the evil media

That's your word (evil). Media is no different than any other business concern that sells widgets. They're trying to make a dollar & dime. I just take it upon myself (when I can get away with it on a site/like here) to make goddamn sure that fact is boilerplated upon said site.

Uh,

Let us proceed...

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 11:57 AM

Just like the media ruined David Koresh!

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 11:59 AM

Just like the media ruined David Koresh!

McVeigh got that all straightened out.

It's okay now.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 12:00 PM

Just like the media ruined David Koresh!
And Jim Jones!

And the Aryan Brotherhood!

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:00 PM

:lmao classic example of a retarded American

:cryruined Sarah Palin:cry

They owed us one after we IMPEACHED & DISBARRED Clinton's ass.

tee, hee.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:03 PM

McVeigh got that all straightened out.

It's okay now.No, he didn't.

He just killed a bunch of innocent people because he was a stupid loser who couldn't pass a psych evaluation.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

11-13-2011, 12:03 PM

Honestly, the stupidity shown in Happy Valley is almost unparalleled:

No sadder than the local TV news reporter in a Penn State sweatshirt asking fans how much they wished Paterno were able to coach Saturday. Or the tacky T-shirts on sale suggesting, "What Happens in Happy Valley Stays in Happy Valley.''

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:04 PM

They owed us one after we IMPEACHED & DISBARRED Clinton's ass.

tee, hee.No, the Republicans did themselves in by doing just that.

lol ignorant

lol spin

lol conspiracy

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 12:06 PM

No, he didn't.

He just killed a bunch of innocent people because he was a stupid loser who couldn't pass a psych evaluation.
And Cully is a stupid loser angry about losing the Vietnam War so he justifies what McVeigh did.

It's sad, really.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:06 PM

Clinton is the lone duly elected POTUS to ever be IMPEACHED.

He'll take that to the grave.

Tougheth lucketh.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:07 PM

No, he didn't.

He just killed a bunch of innocent people because he was a stupid loser who couldn't pass a psych evaluation.

It's called squaring the house.

It's over now though. It's okay. We're all friends again.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 12:07 PM

Clinton is the lone duly elected POTUS to ever be IMPEACHED.

He'll take that to the grave.

Tougheth lucketh.
Actually you're wrong. Andrew Johnson was impeached. There you go again not knowing history.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:09 PM

Actually you're wrong. Andrew Johnson was impeached. There you go again not knowing history.

Johnson was not duly elected.

Ipso facto:::Clinton is the lone duly elected POTUS to ever be IMPEACHED.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:09 PM

Clinton is the lone duly elected POTUS to ever be IMPEACHED.

He'll take that to the grave.

Tougheth lucketh.He won and Republicans lost.

And it was all their fault.

Edwards lost and it was all his fault.

Koresh got killed and it was all his fault.

McVeigh killed a bunch of people and got killed it was all his fault.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:10 PM

Johnson was not duly elected.Sure he was. That's why we have vice-presidents.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:12 PM

Koresh got killed and it was all his fault.

McVeigh killed a bunch of people and got killed it was all his fault.

& we could start from scratch again. No more American tanks driving across American soil roasting American men, women and children.

Even/Stevens.

I can live with it ever since.

- "No problem."

- "Ace Merrill" - "Stand by Me"

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:13 PM

Sure he was. That's why we have vice-presidents.

But, Johnson wasn't duly elected.

Ipso facto: Clinton is the lone duly elected POTUS to be IMPEACHED.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:14 PM

It's called squaring the house.No, it's called terrorism.

It's over now though. It's okay. We're all friends again.I'm not your friend, pal.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 12:14 PM

I wonder if Cully has some nutty family member who was killed at Waco :lol

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:15 PM

I wonder if Cully has some nutty family member who was killed at Waco :lol

They were all my family.

Yours too.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:16 PM

& we could start from scratch again. No more American tanks driving across American soil roasting American men, women and children.

Even/Stevens.

I can live with it ever since.

- "No problem."

- "Ace Merrill" - "Stand by Me"No cults have been stupid enough to kill ATF agents in that manner.

Progress.

But, Johnson wasn't duly elected.

Ipso facto: Clinton is the lone duly elected POTUS to be IMPEACHED.Except Johnson was elected.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:16 PM

They were all my family.

Yours too.Not at all.

Koresh is your child raping hero. not mine.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:19 PM

Not at all.

Koresh is your child raping hero. not mine.

He's been avenged.

They can now ALL rest in peace.

Empathy is a great teaching tool. & McVeigh weiled it with precision.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:22 PM

He's been avenged.

They can now ALL rest in peace.

Empathy is a great teaching tool. & McVeigh weiled it with precision.No, he was a wingnut loser and murderer.

Koresh was a child raping lunatic and murderer.

Why is Koresh your hero?

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 12:22 PM

They were all my family.
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 12:24 PM

Why is Koresh your hero?
I think you were onto something when you said Cully was one of the Waco survivors

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:25 PM

Why is Koresh your hero?

McVeigh is the hero.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:25 PM

I think you were onto something when you said Cully was one of the Waco survivors

We're all Waco survivors.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 12:26 PM

We're all Waco survivors.
Not me. I stay out of cults.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:27 PM

McVeigh is the hero.They are both your heroes.

They are both insane murderers.

You're disgusting.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:29 PM

Not me. I stay out of cults.

You're still a Waco survivor.

We all are.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:30 PM

You're still a Waco survivor.

We all are.We're survivors of your stupidity.

No mean feat.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:32 PM

Not at all.

Koresh is your child raping hero. not mine.

McVeigh is the hero.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 12:34 PM

Cully supports murder and rape

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:34 PM

McVeigh is the hero.They're both your heroes.

lol avenging a child rapist murderer

Cry Havoc

11-13-2011, 12:38 PM

Cully whines about people making jokes about him being a pedo, then supports terrorism in the same thread.

Why are people still responding to this idiotic troll?

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:39 PM

Cully whines about people making jokes about him being a pedo, then supports terrorism in the same thread.

Why are people still responding to this idiotic troll?

Does this mean you're retracting that apology you gave me the other day, Cry?

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:40 PM

Cully whines about people making jokes about him being a pedo, then supports terrorism in the same thread.

Why are people still responding to this idiotic troll?To be clear, he is supporting a child rapist as well.

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:42 PM

To be clear, he is supporting a child rapist as well.

Media supported Sandusky for over a decade. That didn't bother anybody until after 409 was in the books. Then. Then they got their collective umbrage up.

Please.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 12:44 PM

You said they ignored Sandusky?

ignored =/= supported

also, Sandusky was a child molester.

Koresh was a child rapist and murderer.

You're no better than the media.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:45 PM

Media supported Sandusky for over a decade. That didn't bother anybody until after 409 was in the books. Then. Then they got their collective umbrage up.

Please.lol supported

lol 409

lol child rape apologist

lol terrorism cheerleader

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:46 PM

lol supported

lol 409

lol child rape apologist

lol terrorism cheerleader

It's been taken care of.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:47 PM

It's been taken care of.lol terrorism cheerleader

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:48 PM

lol terrorism cheerleader

Empathy 101

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 12:50 PM

the Vietcong also taught you empathy

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:51 PM

the Vietcong also taught you empathy

And how to play in the dirt with my Army Men.

tee, hee.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 12:54 PM

Empathy 101lol terrorism cheerleader

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 12:58 PM

lol terrorism cheerleader

Just marking the spot where it got settled for posterity.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 01:02 PM

Just marking the spot where it got settled for posterity.lol walking back

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 01:05 PM

lol walking back

To where McVeigh ran 'em to ground.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 01:08 PM

To where McVeigh ran 'em to ground.lol back to terrorism cheerleading

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 01:17 PM

^Just marking the spot where it got settled for posterity.

DUNCANownsKOBE

11-13-2011, 01:17 PM

lol terrorist cheerleading

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 01:19 PM

^Just marking the spot where it got settled for posterity.And cheering terrorism.

lol hero

lol support

lol psych eval

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 04:30 PM

Just marking the temporals where McVeigh squared it.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 04:32 PM

Just marking the temporals where McVeigh squared it.lol walking back again

Giuseppe

11-13-2011, 04:34 PM

^Just checkin' assholes.

ChumpDumper

11-13-2011, 04:35 PM

^Just checkin' assholes.lol babbling

Spursfan092120

11-14-2011, 01:09 AM

Franco Harris is a dumbass....

Franco Harris defends former coach Joe Paterno

Hall of Fame running back and former Penn State star Franco Harris says Joe Paterno should not have been fired in the wake of the child sex-abuse scandal engulfing the university.

Speaking to MSNBC on Thursday, Harris said that he's "upset" by Paterno's ouster and that the legendary coach did the right thing by reporting what he knew about Jerry Sandusky's alleged abuse to his superiors.

When asked why Paterno didn't alert the police, Harris defended his coach, saying the alleged abuse by Sandusky was "a university matter" and "no longer a football matter for Joe."

"You people can say 'Listen, yeah, everybody should do this,' but... I would say 95 percent of people would go through superiors thinking that your superiors who are competent would do their job and go to police," Harris said.

Complete coverage: The Penn State Scandal
Paterno's supporters run amok over firing

Harris, who was an honorary board member of Jerry Sandusky's Second Mile charity, said he was disappointed about the revelations of sex abuse given how beneficial the program was to so many children.

He said the details of the crimes "makes you sick in your stomach."

"I'm defending Joe Paterno, not Jerry Sandusky," Harris said. "I was defending the Second Mile program, that it's a great program and unfortunately, we have the founder take advantage of that situation. I am supporting Joe Paterno and I wish the board would have supported Joe Paterno."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-57322394-10391697/franco-harris-defends-former-coach-joe-paterno/

He knew...he didn't call the police...period.

Giuseppe

11-14-2011, 05:10 AM

^& yet Paterno is very fortunate. Media gave him the by your leave to get his 409 before they ratted Sandusky & him out. Paterno is extremely lucky the kids were of no import. Otherwise, this thing woulda blown up long before 409 was achieved.

Blake

11-14-2011, 10:39 AM

I knew your life could be summed up in one word.

Every sport is not the NCAA. You should know that by now, but having seen your previous posts, it is obvious simple concepts take you awhile to figure you. Keep trying though.

Perhaps, but it has been done before by the NCAA. So if there is a precedent I don't think you can be a hypocrite. You may want to check the definition though.

You do know the difference between an exhibition and a regular season game right or do I have to explain that to you? Dude you just don't get, never will, just accept that and move on.

Dude, you're stupid.

The problem wasn't with the punishment, it was with the NCAA's willingness to allow the perpetrators to play in the Sugar Bowl.

Critics have alleged that the decision was made in the interest of a more compelling matchup that would sell more tickets and increase television ratings. In other words, it was a business decision.

NCAA officials flatly denied the charge, but even taken at their word, they made the wrong decision.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Sugar-Bowl-Ohio-State-players-analysis-010411

You're a homer and your posts have been proven shitty.

lol.

leemajors

11-14-2011, 03:01 PM

He's still pulling a pension from PSU:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sandusky_continues_to_re.html

DarkReign

11-14-2011, 03:35 PM

Stop ruining the thread with your inane bullshit.

Go start a "Support Terrorism and Pedophilia: Modern Media Conspiracy" thread in the Club, or something.

The Reckoning

11-14-2011, 04:04 PM

DR's sig says it all

JMarkJohns

11-15-2011, 12:18 AM

Sounds like Sandusky is officially going with the Michael Jackson defense. To bad for him he didn't create Thriller.

Also, this thing's reach is far-stretching. It was reported that Sandusky was released on a $100,000 unsecured bail, when the norm for these charges is $500,000 secured. The difference in the two is the latter requires cash up front for freedom, while the former doesn't, so Sandusky was basically released no harm done. Very odd. Until you read that the judge that made the call on the bail was a frequent volunteer for The Second Mile and knows Sandusky.

Seriously. Can't the coverup die with the firing of Paterno and the disappearance of Gricer?

Giuseppe

11-15-2011, 12:41 AM

Seriously. Can't the coverup die with the firing of Paterno and the disappearance of Gricer?

You'll have to get clearance thru Media. They're runnin' this fuckin' show. And have been for over a decade.

JMarkJohns

11-15-2011, 12:47 AM

ESPN seems to be doing it's best to perpetuate the "generational gap" argument with why Paterno was complicit in sweeping it under the rug. Tonight's interview with Duke's head coach Mike Krzyzewski, was the third or fourth big-name to mention Paterno's age and that generations handle social matters differently.

I've always hated the way ESPN crafts its stories. They got the fall that made their 24-hour coverage so important late last Thursday. Now they gotta assuage their guilt and befuddle the grandfather Peterno who knew no better.

Blake

11-15-2011, 09:36 AM

You'll have to get clearance thru Media. They're runnin' this fuckin' show. And have been for over a decade.

what media?

the power hungry Happy Valley media?

Giuseppe

11-15-2011, 12:02 PM

^I don't distinguish.

Media.

Blake

11-15-2011, 12:07 PM

^I don't distinguish.

Media.

Just one person's name in said media would do.

That way we could confirm your bias.

Giuseppe

11-15-2011, 12:09 PM

I don't give two shits if you confirm my bias or not.

Media.

Blake

11-15-2011, 12:11 PM

I don't give two shits if you confirm my bias or not.

Media.

I don't give one shit about your strawman.

I'm just confirming your ignorance and stupidity.

Giuseppe

11-15-2011, 12:27 PM

Media.

leemajors

11-15-2011, 01:46 PM

It's the media's only job to dig the truth outta shit like this, but they usually neglect it.

Blake

11-15-2011, 02:09 PM

Media.

I don't believe you.

JMarkJohns

11-15-2011, 02:39 PM

The latest is that Sandusky's lawyer has his own skeletons, so to speak...

Guy was the attorney for a 15/16 year old seeking emancipation from her parents, won it for her, then married her by 17. Supposedly nothing of major illegality occurred, as 16 is a legal age in Pennsylvania, but still doesn't paint the defense in a positive light.

http://i41.tinypic.com/33molf8.jpg

Bottom right is the 16 year old girl the lawyer nailed, Top left is the VP at Pedo State under indictment. Not sure the age of her in this image, but that's her next to Sandusky's lawer.

Giuseppe

11-15-2011, 02:57 PM

JMarkJohns

11-15-2011, 03:00 PM

What's now being reported about the lawyer...

From Yahoo.com: His attorney, Joe Amendola, would later suggest some of the other victims in the grand jury’s “finding of fact” would recant their claims. Who is Joe Amendola? According to Pennsylvania court documents obtained by The Daily, in 1996, at the age of 49, he impregnated a 17-year-old girl. The two later married and divorced.

JMarkJohns

11-15-2011, 03:03 PM

Woody Allen did something similar and they gave him an Oscar and a case of Manoshevitz.

Maybe that tight-knit inner circle, but he's consistently near the top of viewers rankings of the creepiest celebrities. My point was more about public perception than indiscretion. Did the attorney really think this wouldn't be brought to light? He emancipated a 16 year old girl and within a year knocked her up, then married her to cover it up.

Not sure he's the right guy for the defense.

Blake

11-15-2011, 03:11 PM

Woody Allen did something similar and they gave him an Oscar and a case of Manoshevitz.

Media!

Giuseppe

11-15-2011, 05:09 PM

Media!

A course. A dollar & a dime could still be made from a live Allen, even a dead Michael Jackson. Once an 84 year old Paterno notched 409 there was no need to carry his water a minute longer. He was a dead stick. Media could then beat all manner Hell out of him, bleed him out and syphon off what remained.

Giuseppe

11-15-2011, 05:11 PM

Maybe that tight-knit inner circle, but he's consistently near the top of viewers rankings of the creepiest celebrities. My point was more about public perception than indiscretion. Did the attorney really think this wouldn't be brought to light? He emancipated a 16 year old girl and within a year knocked her up, then married her to cover it up.

Not sure he's the right guy for the defense.

Except for the knocked up part, I did Katie-girl likewise at 15.

tee, hee.

Blake

11-15-2011, 06:08 PM

A course. A dollar & a dime could still be made from a live Allen, even a dead Michael Jackson. Once an 84 year old Paterno notched 409 there was no need to carry his water a minute longer. He was a dead stick. Media could then beat all manner Hell out of him, bleed him out and syphon off what remained.

because Media! made so much money off of Paterno pre-409

Genius!

Giuseppe

11-15-2011, 06:21 PM

because Media! made so much money off of Paterno pre-409

Better believe it, daddy-O.

Blake

11-15-2011, 06:39 PM

Better believe it, daddy-O.

I sure don't, weirdo

Bender

11-16-2011, 03:32 PM

I notice that pretty much every article on the internet about this has a pic of Paterno next to the Sandusky articles.

"Alleged child abuser Sandusky..." with a pic of Paterno right next to it. I bet half the country thinks Paterno is the weirdo.

JMarkJohns

11-16-2011, 04:35 PM

Paterno "sold" his home to his wife for $1 six months back according to the NYTimes. I'd be curious to see what the laws on joint accounts for his savings is, or if this coincidental oddity could be more of an asset transfer to protect property in the event of a lawsuit?

Giuseppe

11-16-2011, 04:52 PM

Giuseppe

11-16-2011, 04:53 PM

Blake

11-17-2011, 09:25 AM

what Media?

Giuseppe

11-17-2011, 10:23 AM

^I don't differentiate...

Media.

Blake

11-17-2011, 11:50 AM

^I don't differentiate...

which I find hilariously stupid.

Media!

ChumpDumper

11-17-2011, 12:02 PM

Conspiracies are easier to believe if you don't try to explain them.

stretch

11-17-2011, 12:48 PM

http://www.prettylogic.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/robocop27.jpg

chester's son

11-17-2011, 05:21 PM

:depressed:depressed:depressed

JMarkJohns

11-18-2011, 03:23 PM

Penn State best start being honest, because now, along with a shit-ton of cash going to victims, sactions, penalties, reductions, removals, and even the dreaded Death Penalty are in play against them, their future, and their legacy. This is far worse in deed than the Ohio State or USC or Miami crap. If they aren't forthcoming, their screwed.

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. -- Penn State has learned via letter from NCAA President Mark Emmert that the governing body of collegiate sports will launch an investigation of the University's athletic programs in the wake of allegations of sexual abuse by a former assistant coach and charges of perjury against to two senior University officials.

"I am writing to notify you that the NCAA will examine Penn State's exercise of institutional control over its intercollegiate athletics programs, as well as the actions, and inactions, of relevant responsible personnel," Emmert wrote. "We recognize that there are ongoing federal and state investigations and the NCAA does not intend to interfere with those probes."

Emmert set out several questions that University officials must be prepared to answer as part of the probe. Responses to this NCAA inquiry are expected by Dec. 16 in order for the NCAA to determine next steps.

To view the letter and the specific areas that will be covered in this inquiry, go to http://www.psu.edu/ur/2011/NCAA.pdf online.

Giuseppe

11-18-2011, 03:49 PM

This is the part where everybody gets to act high & mighty and take a piece of everyone's ass at PSU. The ones who remain will be sent to re-education camps to get their minds right. Afterward they'll say something to the effect that "I'm a better person because of this scandal. Penn State University is a better place. It's almost a good thing that it happened, I just feel sorry for the children."

Then minorities will come in low out of the rising sun, play the race card and be grandfathered in on a decent % of the jobs formerly held by the whites.

& Media will be watching the henhouse the entire time to make damn sure nobody tries to sneak off scot-free.

Blake

11-18-2011, 04:49 PM

Giuseppe

11-27-2011, 09:49 PM

I wonder if Media is gonna give Boeheim a pass since he's of the Jewish faith.

Blake

11-28-2011, 12:15 AM

I wonder if Media is gonna give Boeheim a pass since he's of the Jewish faith.

if Boeheim somehow gets charged with something, how do you figure Media will give him a pass?

Giuseppe

11-28-2011, 01:50 AM

if Boeheim somehow gets charged with something, how do you figure Media will give him a pass?

I asked the question first, Blake.

Blake

11-28-2011, 10:46 AM

I asked the question first, Blake.

It looks like an illogical random thought to me.

Giuseppe

11-28-2011, 01:42 PM

^Don't be chickenshit, Blake, answer the question. Chop/chop.

Blake

11-28-2011, 03:02 PM

^Don't be chickenshit, Blake, answer the question. Chop/chop.

Are you asking if I also wonder if Media will give Boeheim a pass because he's Jewish?

The answer would be 'no' as in there's nothing to wonder about. I don't believe there is a 'pass' that Media hands out to select persons based on race/religion.

if Boeheim somehow gets charged with something or gets fired, in what way do you figure that Media will give him a pass on that juicy news story?

Giuseppe

11-28-2011, 03:24 PM

It was like pullin' teeth, but, thanks for the answer.

& I already figured they gave him a pass by sitting on the damn thing for 10 years. And then for not demanding his resignation in the backwash of his demeaning the children as just out for the money via lawsuits. And for not demanding "what did he know & when did he know it."

Blake

11-28-2011, 03:31 PM

It was like pullin' teeth, but, thanks for the answer.

most questions end with a question mark.

next time try it and you might get your answer faster.

& I already figured they gave him a pass by sitting on the damn thing for 10 years. And then for not demanding his resignation in the backwash of his demeaning the children as just out for the money via lawsuits. And for not demanding "what did he know & when did he know it."

you're assuming Media already knew about it.

why do you assume such a thing?

JMarkJohns

11-28-2011, 03:36 PM

ESPN has had the taped telephone recording since 2002. I'm not sure what to make of that.

Blake

11-28-2011, 06:03 PM

interesting that ESPN did have the tape for that long.

here's their explanation as to why:

Neither Davis nor ESPN passed on the tape to Syracuse University officials for an internal investigation of Fine in 2005. Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor noted in a statement Sunday that university officials did not have the tape at the time.

"That is true. They did not have that tape in 2005," ESPN's Mark Schwarz reported Sunday night. "Bobby Davis did not know what to do with that tape. All he knew is that the Syracuse police had a cursory five-minute phone conversation with him in 2002. He then made the tape. He presented it to us. We didn't have a corroborating second alleged victim and so we kept the tape for eight years not really knowing what to do with it until the second alleged victim, Mike Lang, came forward."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/28/idUS255518159020111128

sounds plausible enough for me.

Giuseppe

11-28-2011, 07:14 PM

sounds plausible enough for me.

I'll just bet it does.:rolleyes

JMarkJohns

11-28-2011, 07:44 PM

Technically the admitted knowledge of the wife brings a form of corroboration enough to hand the tape over to authorities in 2005, or go to them sooner. It's not ESPN who has the authority to sit on exculpatory evidence like this. They aren't the ones who can determine worth or relevancy. In mine, and a lot of peoples opinions, withholding the tape feels like obstruction.

That said, I'm not sure why Davis never took the taped recording to the police in 2005. Seems highly questionable as to motives on both their parts.

JMarkJohns

11-28-2011, 07:52 PM

Apparently Davis offered the tape in 2005 but was told his case had its statute of limitations run out by Syracuse police investigators. So, ESPN was the only ones with the tape who could do something, and didn't until last week after Davis finally went public without them.

Blake

11-29-2011, 10:57 AM

I'll just bet it does.:rolleyes

easy bet. :rolleyes :rolleyes

Blake

11-29-2011, 11:08 AM

Giuseppe

11-29-2011, 11:43 AM

If police aren't going to do anything, what exactly do you think ESPN should have done?

Sit on it for 10 years.:lol

JMarkJohns

11-29-2011, 12:39 PM

If police aren't going to do anything, what exactly do you think ESPN should have done?

I don't know, but sitting on it for 10 years doesn't exactly have them coming out smelling of roses. It was still a HUGE story, and they had a taped conversation with a victim and the accused's wife that suggested the claims were more legit than not. They are the media. Just because the statute of limitations ran out for prosecution to use the tape doesn't mean they couldn't air it in a "Hey, this is something that's been brought to our attention, here's the vicitm and the accused's wife basically confirming the allegations on tape. Believe what you want to believe."

They do that, and maybe other victims come forward much earlier.

It's just a weird story.

Giuseppe

11-29-2011, 01:16 PM

^What he said.

Blake

11-29-2011, 03:46 PM

I don't know

^What he said.

exactly.

Giuseppe

11-29-2011, 05:21 PM

I don't know, but sitting on it for 10 years doesn't exactly have them coming out smelling of roses. It was still a HUGE story, and they had a taped conversation with a victim and the accused's wife that suggested the claims were more legit than not. They are the media. Just because the statute of limitations ran out for prosecution to use the tape doesn't mean they couldn't air it in a "Hey, this is something that's been brought to our attention, here's the vicitm and the accused's wife basically confirming the allegations on tape. Believe what you want to believe."

They do that, and maybe other victims come forward much earlier.

It's just a weird story.

This.

Blake

11-29-2011, 06:31 PM

It seems to me at worst that whoever initially got a hold of the tape at ESPN just didn't think there was much to it, especially if the authorities had already dismissed it.

They might have ethically done more about it, but it's not any kind of evidence that Media is looking out for Boeheim and giving him a pass.

JMarkJohns

11-29-2011, 06:46 PM

I don't know the intentions of those who sat on the video. But even beyond moral obligations, they are the media, and you report news, and this was BIG news involving a BIG program. ESPN has reported on more with less. Why they sat on what they had was very questionable. The tape alone is worth reporting on, because it confirms allegations of abuse at the hands of a coach still with opportunity enough to repeat the crimes of similar context. It's very much the same justification that Penn State ups gave where they each went to their respective chain of command and no further, meanwhile the offender stayed in the abusive context.

ESPN let "due process" run its course, only, a failure to bring charges against the man because statute of limitations had run out isn't tantamount to innocence, so, with a tape as damning as they had in hand, they could have done a lot of good in running the story.

Giuseppe

11-29-2011, 07:03 PM

They might have ethically done more about it, but it's not any kind of evidence that Media is looking out for Boeheim and giving him a pass.

Then you're blind.

vander

11-29-2011, 08:48 PM

Giuseppe

11-29-2011, 09:53 PM

JMarkJohns

11-30-2011, 09:58 AM

Pat Forde, formerly of ESPN, and now with whistle-blower Yahoo! Sports, is tip-toeing that line between calling for more from Boeheim and calling for his head: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=pf-forde_syracuse_boeheim_scandal_missteps_112911

It didn’t take long for the first sign that Jim Boeheim still doesn’t get it.

Jim Boeheim took the podium after the Orange victory and showed he just doesn't grasp the situation at Syracuse.

It came as soon as he walked into a packed postgame news conference after his Syracuse team beat Eastern Michigan on Tuesday night.

“This is the first time I’ve been in the press room where there’s more people here than at the game,” he quipped. “Is there something special going on tonight?”

That was classic Boeheim – a wisenheimer of the highest order. Much of the time, that act is entertaining. This time, it was completely the wrong tone to take in the current context.

As a matter of fact, Jim, there is something special going on at Syracuse University right now. Something especially disturbing. Something that demands a more serious manner from a guy that a good portion of the nation would love to see fired right now.

Giuseppe

11-30-2011, 10:07 AM

This continues to nail it, dead on:::

what ESPN did was worse than what Paterno did, where's all the rabble rabble now? or did you all already get your fix of "LOOK HOW OUTRAGED I AM! I HATE OBVIOUSLY EVIL THINGS SO MUCH I'M SUCH A GOOD PERSON!" :lol

Blake

11-30-2011, 05:04 PM

Blake

11-30-2011, 05:07 PM

what ESPN did was worse than what Paterno did, where's all the rabble rabble now? or did you all already get your fix of "LOOK HOW OUTRAGED I AM! I HATE OBVIOUSLY EVIL THINGS SO MUCH I'M SUCH A GOOD PERSON!" :lol

wtflol

What Paterno did was deplorable, imo.

An assistant actually witnessed the rape, told Paterno and all he did was tell the AD and that was that.

In the Fine case, there was just one person coming to ESPN, tape in hand saying he was manhandled. He had already gone to authorities.

Big difference, but your outrage is funny.

Blake

11-30-2011, 05:10 PM

Then you're blind.

so now you've gone from just wondering about the pass to saying there is definitely a pass?

Help me see what you see. Provide the evidence of such a pass given to Boeheim because he is Jewish.

JMarkJohns

11-30-2011, 06:06 PM

News outlets don't run stories without some kind of corroboration for what should be obvious reasons.

Nobody else stepped forward during that time and the complaint had already been looked into by the police.

I've worked in the media for a half-dozen years, and it's their dream to have a tape recording as corroboration on matters. The tape was relevant, even if the law said the statute of limitations had run out on its use in the courtroom.

You don't run with unsubstantiated claims. The kid alone was that. Once the tape was brought forward with the accused's wife admitting to knowledge of the alleged abuse, you have corroboration. The tape was acquired through legal means, and any questions about it's authenticity/content/manipulation could have been addressed. Lastly, OK, so the media doesn't air the story. They didn't even bother to pass it on to the police. It doesn't matter that it wouldn't have mattered. They didn't know that. They took pretty damning evidence and sat on it for nearly a decade.

Giuseppe

11-30-2011, 07:14 PM

so now you've gone from just wondering about the pass to saying there is definitely a pass?

Help me see what you see. Provide the evidence of such a pass given to Boeheim because he is Jewish.

You're gonna parse like this:::
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/Style_Templates/college/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5485045#post5485045)
I don't know]]]

& then attempt to hold my feet to the fire?

Please.

Axe Murderer

11-30-2011, 07:33 PM

look at 'seppe, swingin from branch to branch:::: clingin on for dear life

If this don't beat all I've ever seen

ChumpDumper

11-30-2011, 08:51 PM

I've worked in the media for a half-dozen years, and it's their dream to have a tape recording as corroboration on matters. The tape was relevant, even if the law said the statute of limitations had run out on its use in the courtroom.

You don't run with unsubstantiated claims. The kid alone was that. Once the tape was brought forward with the accused's wife admitting to knowledge of the alleged abuse, you have corroboration. The tape was acquired through legal means, and any questions about it's authenticity/content/manipulation could have been addressed. Lastly, OK, so the media doesn't air the story. They didn't even bother to pass it on to the police. It doesn't matter that it wouldn't have mattered. They didn't know that. They took pretty damning evidence and sat on it for nearly a decade.Wouldn't the victim or whoever made the tape be expected to take a copy to the police?

ChumpDumper

11-30-2011, 08:55 PM

Or myriad other media outlets?

JMarkJohns

12-01-2011, 12:30 AM

Wouldn't the victim or whoever made the tape be expected to take a copy to the police?

I've read he did, and was told the statute of limitations had run out for its usefulness in his specific case. The argument many are making is that ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper had a responsibility to inform the public of this potential harm independent of whether or not that tape would be used in a court of law. They aren't handcuffed by statutes in the same way the law is, and that because it was still news, it was worthy of being aired.

What's the adage, if it's of public concern, it's for public knowledge?

That idea. Here's a powerful man at a powerful university whose own wife admitted he is attracted to boys, and acknowledged the allegations against him by Davis were truthful.

That's worth bringing to people's attention regardless of whether or not the police can do anything in the instance.

Davis took the recordings to two most prominent media outlets in the case, the local Syracuse newspaper, and the national "World-Wide Leader". Neither did their part in justice being done.

ChumpDumper

12-01-2011, 12:33 AM

Davis took the recordings to two most prominent media outlets in the case, the local Syracuse newspaper, and the national "World-Wide Leader". Neither did their part in justice being done.So Davis just stopped then?

Guess he just got busy for ten years.

Giuseppe

12-01-2011, 09:14 AM

So Davis just stopped then?

Guess he just got busy for ten years.

Dumper, runnin' just as fast as he can.

Blake

12-01-2011, 10:43 AM

You're gonna parse like this:::
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/Style_Templates/college/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5485045#post5485045)
I don't know]]]

& then attempt to hold my feet to the fire?

Please.

Me parsin' like that is not the same at all as you making a claim that Media! gave Boeheim the Jewish passover treatment.

If this is just speculation on your part because of personal perception of Media!, just say so and your feet will feel much cooler.

Giuseppe

12-01-2011, 10:45 AM

Me parsin' like that is not the same at all as you making a claim that Media! gave Boeheim the Jewish passover treatment.

If this is just speculation on your part because of personal perception of Media!, just say so and your feet will feel much cooler.

Blake, gettin' his serious on again.

You look pisser.

Blake

12-01-2011, 10:45 AM

The argument many are making is that ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper had a responsibility to inform the public of this potential harm independent of whether or not that tape would be used in a court of law.

Many?

Link to some of these many?

Blake

12-01-2011, 10:47 AM

Blake, gettin' his serious on again.

You look pisser.

Let me see what you see.

Show me your evidence.

Giuseppe

12-01-2011, 10:55 AM

Let me see what you see.

Show me your evidence.

I'm pleased that I coaxed you back onto the high road again. That "I don't know." was a gasser.

Blake

12-01-2011, 11:02 AM

I'm pleased that I coaxed you back onto the high road again. That "I don't know." was a gasser.

I've been on the high road the whole time. I'm certain you still don't know.

If you do really know, now would be as good a time as any to share.

JMarkJohns

12-01-2011, 11:02 AM

So Davis just stopped then?

Guess he just got busy for ten years.

No. He was involved in the process through 2005. Not exactly sure what he's done in the six years since, but perhaps taking his story to the media who did nothing and to the police who told him too late was a discouragement? He only came forward in the wake of Penn State when he realized furthered silence only empowered/enabled the accused.

And, Blake, I'm not even searching for these articles and in just general browsing I've stumbled across 1 or more per day since this happened. I even referenced one (maybe linked) earlier in this thread. A basic google search right now brought back multiple links on ESPN's role/culpability in the first few pages. The links are out there. I've also listened to a lot of Sports Talk Radio, and the opinions are out there as well.

Whether out-right condemning or curious for reasons "why?", I would say a good number — many — think something is a bit off with two major news outlets sitting on a story for a decade when they had tape recorded corroboration to fend off any worry of "unsubstantiated" claims.

Giuseppe

12-01-2011, 11:04 AM

I've been on the high road the whole time. I'm certain you still don't know.

If you do really know, now would be as good a time as any to share.

"I don't know" made you a fool, daddy-O. And you know it.

Blake

12-01-2011, 11:09 AM

Not exactly sure what he's done in the six years since, but perhaps taking his story to the media who did nothing and to the police who told him too late was a discouragement?

most likely a discouragement to ESPN as well, imo.

And, Blake, I'm not even searching for these articles and in just general browsing I've stumbled across 1 or more per day since this happened. I even referenced one (maybe linked) earlier in this thread. A basic google search right now brought back multiple links on ESPN's role/culpability in the first few pages. The links are out there.

You haven't given any real reason for me to think that ESPN is somehow morally culpable here.

Throw a couple of the links you've been reading. Maybe they'll have better reasons than you to hold ESPN's feet to the fire.

Blake

12-01-2011, 11:12 AM

"I don't know" made you a fool, daddy-O. And you know it.

The butthurt you are experiencing over a silly joke is fascinating.

Evidence of this Jewish pass, please.

JMarkJohns

12-01-2011, 11:23 AM

most likely a discouragement to ESPN as well, imo.

What does a statute of limitations running out for lawful prosecution and bringing attention to an accused and tape-recording corroborated pedophile have to do with each other? ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper claim "no corroboration", yet they had the tape with the wife of the accused corroborating the accusations. That's enough to run the story. The wife can later bluster about her role on the tape, but an expert has verified it's her, so that's rock solid proof that Davis should be viewed as credible, to the very least, report the accusations so Fine can be removed from his position.

You haven't given any real reason for me to think that ESPN is somehow morally culpable here.

Throw a couple of the links you've been reading. Maybe they'll have better reasons than you to hold ESPN's feet to the fire.

Yeah, yeah, I know, LINKS OR GET THE FUCK OUT...

Take some responsibility for your own opinion. It's not like you've said anything that would sway me that ESPN acted prudently on the matter. Why don't you search for links on articles that excuse ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper on this and post 'em here?

I've never said ESPN or others should be taken to court over this matter. But they didn't do their job, which is to report news, and this was news, and they had taped corroboration in hand, later verified, an sat on it because the law gave them the out. It wasn't timely, prudent or, in my opinion, and many others, the right thing to do.

Blake

12-01-2011, 12:00 PM

What does a statute of limitations running out for lawful prosecution and bringing attention to an accused and tape-recording corroborated pedophile have to do with each other? ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper claim "no corroboration", yet they had the tape with the wife of the accused corroborating the accusations. That's enough to run the story. The wife can later bluster about her role on the tape, but an expert has verified it's her, so that's rock solid proof that Davis should be viewed as credible, to the very least, report the accusations so Fine can be removed from his position.

How was ESPN supposed to know that the tape was real when it was first brought in?

Yeah, yeah, I know, LINKS OR GET THE FUCK OUT...

Take some responsibility for your own opinion. It's not like you've said anything that would sway me that ESPN acted prudently on the matter. Why don't you search for links on articles that excuse ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper on this and post 'em here?

My opinion is still flexible. I want to know what you are reading that makes you so firm in yours.

I really don't care if you get the fuck out or not.

ChumpDumper

12-01-2011, 01:15 PM

What does a statute of limitations running out for lawful prosecution and bringing attention to an accused and tape-recording corroborated pedophile have to do with each other? ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper claim "no corroboration", yet they had the tape with the wife of the accused corroborating the accusations. That's enough to run the story. The wife can later bluster about her role on the tape, but an expert has verified it's her, so that's rock solid proof that Davis should be viewed as credible, to the very least, report the accusations so Fine can be removed from his position.Which expert? Was this verification available back then?

Yeah, yeah, I know, LINKS OR GET THE FUCK OUT...I didn't read it that way at all.

I'd say that at best, ESPN could have confronted Boheim and the wife about it, likely get stonewalled, then nothing.

Blake

12-07-2011, 10:01 PM

Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State assistant football coach charged last month with 40 counts of sexually abusing eight boys, was arrested Wednesday on new sexual abuse charges involving two additional accusers. The two testified before a grand jury that they were molested or raped by Sandusky over a period of years, the authorities said.

Wearing a Penn State windbreaker, Sandusky, 67, was taken to the Centre County Correctional Facility in Bellefonte, Pa., after his arraignment, because he was unable to pay the $250,000 cash bail. If Sandusky can post bail, he will have to wear an electronic ankle monitor and be subject to house arrest. He is not allowed to make contact with the accusers or witnesses and cannot have unsupervised contact with minors.

The new charges widen the Pennsylvania attorney general’s case against Sandusky, who now faces more than 50 counts of child sexual abuse, in advance of next Tuesday’s preliminary hearing in Bellefonte. Among the new counts, Sandusky was charged with four counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse and two counts of unlawful contact with a minor, all first-degree felonies punishable by up to 20 years in prison and $25,000 in fines.

......more

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/sports/ncaafootball/sandusky-arrested-on-new-sexual-abuse-charges.html