Penn State cover up

[Sisk]

Everyone heard of this yet? Pretty fucking sickening stuff. Everyone involved needs to be disposed of, include Paterno.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/story/_/id/7201952/penn-state-nittany-lions-tim-curley-takes-leave-gary-schultz-steps-amid-scandal

http://outkickthecoverage.com/joe-paterno-is-done-at-penn-state-fans-should-boycott-nebraska-game.php

Basically a former coordinator raped a bunch of young boys for years and everyone covered it up.

[TFloss32]

Sandusky's autobiography is called "Touched." Can't make this stuff up.

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320688325&sr=1-1

Penn State is in big, big trouble.

[Bill_Brasky]

Paterno will be gone within the week. This is inexcusable.

[Sisk]

Sandusky's autobiography is called "Touched." Can't make this stuff up.

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320688325&sr=1-1

Penn State is in big, big trouble.

Holy shit.


Paterno will be gone within the week. This is inexcusable.

I really hope so. I have a sick feeling he'll somehow get away with this and everyone else will be blamed.

[JayTheClown]

Sandusky's autobiography is called "Touched." Can't make this stuff up.

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320688325&sr=1-1

Penn State is in big, big trouble.

:wow Wow

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Paterno is the most overrated coach in NCAA (any sport) history and I can't wait for him to be gone.

[dirk4mvp]

rofl alvarez

[BRHornet45]

all Paterno has done for Penn State in the last decade or so is hang out in the press box and basically play NCAA Football on Playstation 3 while the real coaches are down on the field calling the game. at least 60-70 of his wins and probably more are wins that anyone could have received the credit for.

[johngateswhiteley]

Lets try and keep some perspective here..

..there is no way Paterno did not have some idea what was happening. Considering sandusky's role and close relationship with Paterno, nothing makes sense but for him to retire or get fired.

As many reporters have pointed out, this is so much bigger than football and college sports. Yet, the mob slows for nothing, it seems.

[DesignatedT]

Paternos old ass is done.

[Sisk]

Lets try and keep some perspective here..

..there is no way Paterno did not have some idea what was happening. Considering sandusky's role and close relationship with Paterno, nothing makes sense but for him to retire or get fired.

As many reporters have pointed out, this is so much bigger than football and college sports. Yet, the mob slows for nothing, it seems.

I'm confused as to what you're wanting the mob to slow down for.

[johngateswhiteley]

I'm confused as to what you're wanting the mob to slow down for.

College football mob. This situation is far more important than any game this weekend..

1) Paterno should be gone or invisible this week

2) Focus should be on the situation not the game

3) Fans and administration in State College need to wake up; this is nothing close to the Duke Lacrosse fiasco years back where Duke overreacted and without evidence. In this matter, its cut and dry, there is no room for interpretation.. game over

[BRHornet45]

so sons has Nick "I only have loyalty to programs for 5 years max" Saban lined up for the Penn State job yet?

[Sisk]

College football mob. This situation is far more important than any game this weekend..

1) Paterno should be gone or invisible this week

2) Focus should be on the situation not the game

3) Fans and administration in State College need to wake up; this is nothing close to the Duke Lacrosse fiasco years back where Duke overreacted and without evidence. In this matter, its cut and dry, there is no room for interpretation.. game over


I agree with everything you said, but that's not anyone slowing down, that's speeding it up.

[Spurminator]

So since this cover-up seems to go to the highest levels of the organization, is there any conceivable reason the Penn State football program shouldn't be given the death penalty?

This is exponentially worse than any player compensation scandal in the history of college FB.

[ALVAREZ6]

lmao

PSU officials are already planning Paterno's exit. President Spanier definitely has to go too, as well as everyone else who knew anything about it. I probably know more about the case than most of you, and Paterno is definitely going to receive a larger backlash than he deserves, but with something this fucked up they just have to clean house. Spanier is definitely more at fault than Paterno, and yet he probably won't be ousted as quickly as Paterno. Goddamn I hate that douche bag Graham Spanier.


There has been a lot of speculation throughout this fall that Urban Meyer was a very possible candidate to takeover at PSU. He's been to a couple of games here this season and apparently within the past week has bought/rented a house at a neighboring town. I just hope all of this shit isn't enough to deter him from considering coaching PSU.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think there's anything lmao about this.

It's fucking reprehensible.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah normally there's something funny about NCAA scandals but this is pretty sickening. I don't think there's any way you can receive a "larger backlash than you deserve" in this case if you're Paterno. If Paterno knew anything at all about what was going on and didn't do everything he could to get to the bottom of it, he should lose his job immediately and it should be a huge ass stain on his reputation/legacy.

If there was a justifiable reason to vacate wins and/or bowl games because of this that would be a great way to fuck up the all time win record Paterno owns, but unfortunately wins aren't tied to letting your former assistant molest boys.

[DPG21920]

Is Cully a Penn State fan?

[JoeTait75]

There has been a lot of speculation throughout this fall that Urban Meyer was a very possible candidate to takeover at PSU. He's been to a couple of games here this season and apparently within the past week has bought/rented a house at a neighboring town. I just hope all of this shit isn't enough to deter him from considering coaching PSU.

I think this deserves an "lmao." You're deluded if you think Urban Meyer is walking into that mess. Best Penn State can do, IMO, is Greg Schiano- maybe.

[Findog]

So since this cover-up seems to go to the highest levels of the organization, is there any conceivable reason the Penn State football program shouldn't be given the death penalty?

This is exponentially worse than any player compensation scandal in the history of college FB.

Yeah, the current players shouldn't be punished for something that took place years ago and had nothing to do with them.

[Sisk]

Alvarez, I sure hope you're not one of those dumbfuck students at Paterno's house chanting his name.

[ALVAREZ6]

Alvarez, I sure hope you're not one of those dumbfuck students at Paterno's house chanting his name.

lol hell no I've wanted him out for some time now.



I think this deserves an "lmao." You're deluded if you think Urban Meyer is walking into that mess. Best Penn State can do, IMO, is Greg Schiano- maybe.

The rumors were he was seriously considering it (toss up between PSU and OSU), but I agree it's not very likely anymore.


Sorry for the previous "lmao", I've gotten into a habit to start many of my posts with a lol or lmao.



I was pissed earlier when I found out the Paterno press conference was canceled by Spanier's office. Apparently there were 200+ different media outlets on campus today hoping to get in on the action, and of course Spanier canceled the presser. He would have gotten bombarded. I wonder if they will let him finish the season and have him resign, or fire him within the next couple of days. If Spanier isn't gone within the next couple of weeks though, I have nothing more to say.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think this deserves an "lmao." You're deluded if you think Urban Meyer is walking into that mess. Best Penn State can do, IMO, is Greg Schiano- maybe.
Tbh I still think Urban Meyer to Ohio State is inevitable.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah, the current players shouldn't be punished for something that took place years ago and had nothing to do with them.
I think they should be given an option to transfer (in or out of conference) without penalty if there is a death penalty, but I don't think a death penalty should be ruled out. Paying recruits with hookers and cars isn't shit compared to letting a former assistant coach violate teenage boys using team facilities then trying to cover it up.

[JamStone]

I think this is an instance where the death penalty really should be considered. I do feel bad for the current players and the vast majority of the fans and students of Penn State that had nothing to do with any of this. But there has to be serious and extreme punishment levied on the institution. Regardless of who and how many knew, this is the type of shit that has to be given the harshest penalties allowed.

I will say this about Paterno though. While he's absolutely a villain in this whole thing, I do think some people (I've been hearing and reading) suggesting that Paterno is just as evil as Sandusky are being too harsh. Should Paterno face judgment and some sort of penalty? Absolutely. But let's be clear. The man who actually molested and raped the boys is the primary person to be blamed and persecuted here. The cover up is horrible. But nothing is as bad, as evil, or as sick as the actual acts of violating the kids.

Agree with letting any current players being given the option to transfer freely and without having to wait out a year to play. And while it's in reality zero solace for the victims, all of Paterno's wins since that first reported incident in 1998 should be vacated in the record books. Means nothing in the grand scheme of things and with respect to moral justice, but it should be a consequence as well.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think if this were any coach but Paterno it would be worse and he'd be out the door by now. JoePa being that wrinkly sweet old man people blindly adore and refuse to think could have been involved with this is saving his ass right now. If this happened to someone like Les Miles who was polarizing to begin with, keeping his job would be a lost cause, and he'd be run out of Louisiana. Furthermore, if this happened at Arizona with Mike Stoops who wasn't polarizing but was purely hated to begin with, he'd lose his job and half the population of Tucson would be surrounding his house all armed with torches and pitchforks.

[ChumpDumper]

The fact real police (not the campus cops) were not immediately notified illustrates everything that is wrong with college sports these days.

[jag]

This is going to make for some awkward conversations with recruits.

[TFloss32]

Dan Bernstein:
"FYI: names are being (cross)checked with Sandusky's Second Mile, and there are other older adult men with "curious" relationships. Only the start."

[Blake]

I think this is an instance where the death penalty really should be considered.

Neh. I don't think so. This isn't an instance that gave Penn St some kind of unfair recruiting advantage.

Simply clean house, fire everyone that needs firing and let the legal process play out.

[Giuseppe]

Is Cully a Penn State fan?

After a fashion.

What I find adorable:::is Media acting clueless as if they didn't know about this molestation for years.

Please. They kept their mouths shut because that was the deal. The cutoff was the win record. There was nothing after that to be gleaned in a positive manner. Now. Now Paterno, 84 years old could be turned out. But, so much more to be had beating Paterno, et al down the other side of the mountain. A fortune to be made there.

& afterall, like the little girl ex NBA All Star PG & current Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson molested and the girl that Neal bent over, these PA. little boys were just human debris.

[Spurminator]

Neh. I don't think so. This isn't an instance that gave Penn St some kind of unfair recruiting advantage.

I'd argue it did. If this had come out when it was supposed to it would have had a detrimental effect on recruiting. So the net result of covering up the scandal was positive for Penn State football. The reason it was covered up was to protect Penn State football.

The standard needs to be set, and the message sent, that if you cover up something of this magnitude to protect your program, you risk completely ruining it forever.

Obviously I feel bad for the players since they had nothing to do with it, but ever team that gets punished by the NCAA has players who were innocent and unfortunately had to suffer the consequences of their peers' and coaching staff's bad decisions.

[Sisk]

They're going to let him finish the season. They just don't get it do they? Is there anything but incompetence at Penn State?

[Findog]

Neh. I don't think so. This isn't an instance that gave Penn St some kind of unfair recruiting advantage.

Simply clean house, fire everyone that needs firing and let the legal process play out.

I agree. Why should Penn State's fans, alumni and the current football team suffer for the actions of a few individuals? SMU never really recovered from the death penalty.

[JamStone]

The actions of a few often affect the many, whether fair or unfair.

[The Reckoning]

go back and read some of the reviews of his autobiography...

"When it comes to touching, there's nobody I know of that can better call upon 40 years experience of bad touch than one Jerry Sandusky."

[Giuseppe]

At least now all the stories that have been written, but, sat on for the past 15 years can be published.

tee, hee.

[Blake]

I'd argue it did. If this had come out when it was supposed to it would have had a detrimental effect on recruiting. So the net result of covering up the scandal was positive for Penn State football. The reason it was covered up was to protect Penn State football.


Paterno would still be around and in control so I think the effect on recruiting would have been minimal if at all.

That aside, there's no way to prove that recruiting would have been affected.

[Blake]

The actions of a few often affect the many, whether fair or unfair.

a sports program death penalty would not fit this type of crime.

[Findog]

The actions of a few often affect the many, whether fair or unfair.

This is a criminal matter, not a case of NCAA violations. I'm not even sure what jurisdiction the NCAA has here.

[Spurminator]

Paterno would still be around and in control so I think the effect on recruiting would have been minimal if at all.

That aside, there's no way to prove that recruiting would have been affected.

There's no way to prove trading jerseys for free tattoos gives a program an advantage but the NCAA had no problems handing down sanctions for that.

Anyway, there is no burden of proof to show the cover-up helped PSU in recruiting. Everyone involved clearly thought there was a risk to contacting authorities, otherwise why hide it?

They hid the scandal because they unfathomably put football and cronyism above preventing child rape. The players, the alumni and the students will survive. It's just football, after all.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, go nuclear on this shit. It's a fucking game.

[Giuseppe]

They hid the scandal because they unfathomably put football and cronyism above preventing child rape. The players, the alumni and the students will survive. It's just football, after all.

& Media helped 'em too. They're just as culpable here in the rape of these children. But, they're in charge of the information flow, like when Tiger Woods went down. They knew, but, they had it bottled up sucking on his prime. Once Mrs. Tiger took off after him with the 9 iron in the subdivision streets in broad daylight a certain segment of Media couldn't keep it contained and so they ran ahead of all Media and blew it out.

If these PA. boys were of merit (had actual fathers) it wouldn't have happened like this. But, these boys are nobody's sons. And so Sandusky used 'em, and Media used 'em.

[Maddog]

I don't think there's anything lmao about this.

It's fucking reprehensible.


The fact real police (not the campus cops) were not immediately notified illustrates everything that is wrong with college sports these days.
I couldn't agree more

[JamStone]

a sports program death penalty would not fit this type of crime.

I think if the crime was handled properly, I'd agree with you. If the crime happened last week, and all of this was coming out of Penn State and them proactively taking every measure to make sure Sandusky was prosecuted immediately to make sure this stopped right now, then I'd agree with you completely.

I see the cover-up as something that makes the whole ordeal an institutional issue. When you have the perpetrator first being associated with the football program and then the football program along with the university not handling things the way they should have, it becomes an extension of not only the university, but the athletic department, and the football program. The crime by itself is a criminal matter that should involve the alleged criminal only. The 10 year or so cover-up makes it a university and football program issue. The school administrators, president, athletic director, football coach do not only represent the university, but the NCAA. It's my opinion that the NCAA should view it that way and levy penalties against the university accordingly. That's just how I see it.

[Giuseppe]

I don't think there's anything lmao about this.

It's fucking reprehensible.

& yet you lyao downstairs about this very thing.

[Blake]

There's no way to prove trading jerseys for free tattoos gives a program an advantage but the NCAA had no problems handing down sanctions for that.

Pretty clear NCAA rules infraction; easy call for the NCAA to make.

Tbh, they should have suspended the Ohio St players for the bowl game on top of the games the following year.

[Blake]

& Media helped 'em too. They're just as culpable here in the rape of these children. But, they're in charge of the information flow, like when Tiger Woods went down. They knew, but, they had it bottled up sucking on his prime. Once Mrs. Tiger took off after him with the 9 iron in the subdivision streets in broad daylight a certain segment of Media couldn't keep it contained and so they ran ahead of all Media and blew it out.

If these PA. boys were of merit (had actual fathers) it wouldn't have happened like this. But, these boys are nobody's sons. And so Sandusky used 'em, and Media used 'em.

what media?

[Blake]

I think if the crime was handled properly, I'd agree with you. If the crime happened last week, and all of this was coming out of Penn State and them proactively taking every measure to make sure Sandusky was prosecuted immediately to make sure this stopped right now, then I'd agree with you completely.

I see the cover-up as something that makes the whole ordeal an institutional issue. When you have the perpetrator first being associated with the football program and then the football program along with the university not handling things the way they should have, it becomes an extension of not only the university, but the athletic department, and the football program. The crime by itself is a criminal matter that should involve the alleged criminal only. The 10 year or so cover-up makes it a university and football program issue. The school administrators, president, athletic director, football coach do not only represent the university, but the NCAA. It's my opinion that the NCAA should view it that way and levy penalties against the university accordingly. That's just how I see it.

just curious, if this happened at a high school instead of a university, would you also think that the high school should lose it's football program?

[Giuseppe]

"what media?"

^Media. I'm not distinguishing it. People in Media knew and joined in a gentlemen's agreement to keep it quiet. Now they come out of the woodwork after the win record is acheived and start beating their collective chests wanting Paterno's hide. It's ridiculous.

[Blake]

"what media?"

^Media. I'm not distinguishing it. People in Media knew and joined in a gentlemen's agreement to keep it quiet. Now they come out of the woodwork after the win record is acheived and start beating their collective chests wanting Paterno's hide. It's ridiculous.

so you don't really know for sure, you are just assuming.

k.

[Giuseppe]

so you don't really know for sure, you are just assuming.

k.

I'm about as sure as you are that Sandusky did it.

[Blake]

I'm about as sure as you are that Sandusky did it.

I'm going on what the alleged victims are reporting happened to them. There are enough of them to form a valid opinion that he's guilty.

you are just talking out of that wide holed ass.

[ALVAREZ6]

They're going to let him finish the season. They just don't get it do they? Is there anything but incompetence at Penn State?

Is that the official decision?

I know Paterno announced he was retiring at season's end, but I think PSU officials can still fire him. That may still be a possibility. I know that PSU President will either resign or be voted out by the board of trustees by the end of the day, that is almost certain now.

[coyotes_geek]

Spanier doesn't get to finish out the year like Paterno?

Interesting.

[JamStone]

just curious, if this happened at a high school instead of a university, would you also think that the high school should lose it's football program?

Yes absolutely. In fact, I would say even more so at a high school.

[NFO]

There's no way to prove trading jerseys for free tattoos gives a program an advantage but the NCAA had no problems handing down sanctions for that.

True, while Tat-Gate provided no recruiting advantage for Ohio State or affected on the field performance, it was dead on clear that it was an NCAA violation.

With Penn State the situation is obviously more serious that tats for for jerseys, but there was no actual NCAA violation made that I am aware of, thus I think the NCAA will stay out of this situation, unless they find that an NCAA violation has occurred.



Tbh, they should have suspended the Ohio St players for the bowl game on top of the games the following year.

They should have not been suspended for the bowl game, it is an exhibition game. I had purchased all my tickets, travel, etc before the scandal went public. If those players were suspended I would have asked for a refund. You can't punish the fans for an exhibition game. The games they got the following year. No complaints.

[Giuseppe]

I'm going on what the alleged victims are reporting happened to them. There are enough of them to form a valid opinion that he's guilty.

you are just talking out of that wide holed ass.

& yet a PA. DA refused to file charges.

Just shows to go ya.

[Axe Murderer]

JoePa might not be stepping down yet..but the real question is....




















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[Blake]

Yes absolutely. In fact, I would say even more so at a high school.

I would say even less so at a high school where the players didn't choose to play there.

At least you're consistent.

[DMX7]

Spanier doesn't get to finish out the year like Paterno?

Interesting.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Graham_spanier_deacons_of_dixieland_washboard.JPG/450px-Graham_spanier_deacons_of_dixieland_washboard.JPG

[Blake]

They should have not been suspended for the bowl game, it is an exhibition game. I had purchased all my tickets, travel, etc before the scandal went public. If those players were suspended I would have asked for a refund. You can't punish the fans for an exhibition game. The games they got the following year. No complaints.

Players in all types of sports get suspended for doing something stupid at the expense of the fan.

The tat players should not have been rewarded by getting to play in the bowl game.

[Blake]

& yet a PA. DA refused to file charges.

Just shows to go ya.

since when is a DA part of the media?

[Giuseppe]

since when is a DA part of the media?

Never said such.

You were pulling evidence out of your wide asshole that came to you somehow from a grand jury indictment.

I just offered that a PA. DA at one time refused to file charges.

[Blake]

Never said such.

You were pulling evidence out of your wide asshole that came to you somehow from a grand jury indictment.

I just offered that a PA. DA at one time refused to file charges.

Right, you offered up the DA while we're still on my original question of "what media?"

If you are just guessing that the media covered it up, just say so.

If not, exactly who in the media is "just as culpable for the rape"?

[JamStone]

I would say even less so at a high school where the players didn't choose to play there.

At least you're consistent.

Wasn't looking at from the standpoint of how it affects the current players.

I looked at your question and thought of the overall impact something like that would have on the high school community. Obviously a smaller and you'd assume closer community than a major university. Students still living at home with their parents so the impact is real and hits very close to home. A high school football staff that probably has maybe 3-5 assistants unless it's one of those big 4A high schools in like Texas. So the coaches/staff work closer and more personally with each of the players. And all of the coaches are probably a lot more visible, at least with the parents of the actual football players. And while it may be a huge impact financially to the high school, it wouldn't have the same type of devastating financial impact it would a major university like Penn State that relies on its football program to make huge money and to provide for hundreds of jobs.

At a high school, I think it's a bigger and more direct and more emotional impact on that smaller community. It would be right in front of every parent's face. And it would make more sense and I assume would be easier with a lot less bureaucratic red tape and less opposition to shut down the football program.

[Blake]

Wasn't looking at from the standpoint of how it affects the current players.


I'm not either. A death penalty in high school would affect future high school kids that want to play football for the school that they are forced to attend.

[Giuseppe]

Right, you offered up the DA while we're still on my original question of "what media?"

If you are just guessing that the media covered it up, just say so.

If not, exactly who in the media is "just as culpable for the rape"?

& I'll repeat:::I'm as sure of Media knowing about it as you are that Sandusky did it.

[JamStone]

I'm not either. A death penalty in high school would affect future high school kids that want to play football for the school that they are forced to attend.

That's just part of the collateral damage a school faces when the school administration fucks up that royally. But to your point, make the kids at the high school eligible to play at nearby high schools, if they can make the team. They don't even have to transfer. Just give them that opportunity. I'm sure most school districts would be open to the idea so as to not punish kids who had no part of it.

And remember that the "death penalty" at least in college is 1-2 years, not more. You're not talking about generations and generations of kids getting affected by the punishment. You're talking 1 or 2 senior classes.

[ChumpDumper]

& I'll repeat:::I'm as sure of Media knowing about it as you are that Sandusky did it.What media?

[DMX7]

I think the Aggies have found their new coach. It's JoePaaaaaaaaa, baby!

[Giuseppe]

What media?

Media. I'm not distinguishing it. People in Media knew and joined in a gentlemen's agreement to keep it quiet. Now they come out of the woodwork after the win record is acheived and start beating their collective chests wanting Paterno's hide. It's ridiculous.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You have to be a really special kind of retarded to seriously think the media was sitting on a story this attention worthy and jaw dropping but decided to do nothing with it. If you were the journalist who broke this story wide open it would make your career, no journalist would sit on this and wait for JoePa to break the all time wins record.

[Giuseppe]

^Please.

They sat on the Tiger Woods story till she took up the 9 iron in public, MSM picked it up and they had no choice but to bleed him out.

They sat on the steroids in baseball story until McGuire & Sosa bled us out then they bled them out.

They sat on this one as well. The children were of no consequence.

[Bill_Brasky]

Yes absolutely. In fact, I would say even more so at a high school.

Why would you want to punish the kids for something they had no involvement in, rather than root out the adults with any role in it and rid/distance yourselves from said disgusting individuals?

I dont think this has to do with PSU. It has to do with a sick, disgusting individual and the spineless cowards that enabled him.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^Please.

They sat on the Tiger Woods story till she took up the 9 iron in public, MSM picked it up and they had no choice but to bleed him out.

They sat on the steroids in baseball story until McGuire & Sosa bled us out then they bled them out.

They sat on this one as well. The children were of no consequence.
They didn't sit on the Tiger Woods story at all. It only became public when people wondering why Tiger's wife was chasing him out of the house with a golf club and swinging it at him. Are you seriously this dumb?

[Giuseppe]

I still can't fathom a guy seeing some 50 year old man porking a 9 year old in a shower and not trying to intervene, or, at least call 9-1-1. It defies logic.

[NFO]

Players in all types of sports get suspended for doing something stupid at the expense of the fan.

The tat players should not have been rewarded by getting to play in the bowl game.

Then I am glad people much smarter than you made the right decision.

[Giuseppe]

They didn't sit on the Tiger Woods story at all. It only became public when people wondering why Tiger's wife was chasing him out of the house with a golf club and swinging it at him.

That's my point, asshole. They wouldn't print it because they were making money on him and they weren't going to piss in their own Cheerios as long as he was carrying their water. But, once she made a public spectacle and MSM came sniffin', the ring of Media around him had no choice but to rip the bark off his ass. It was no longer within their sphere of control. They had not dealt MSM in on the deal. So, they made a dollar & dime beating Woods half to death.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

They didn't know about it, retard.

[Blake]

And remember that the "death penalty" at least in college is 1-2 years, not more. You're not talking about generations and generations of kids getting affected by the punishment. You're talking 1 or 2 senior classes.

k.

either way, the NCAA has no business punishing the school for a crime having nothing to do with football/sports aside from the alleged criminal being a coach.

[Axe Murderer]

I still can't fathom a guy seeing some 50 year old man porking a 9 year old in a shower and not trying to intervene, or, at least call 9-1-1. It defies logic.

Well when this 50 year old happens to be your defensive coordinator you might think twice. Atleast JoePa did

[Blake]

Media. I'm not distinguishing it. People in Media knew and joined in a gentlemen's agreement to keep it quiet. Now they come out of the woodwork after the win record is acheived and start beating their collective chests wanting Paterno's hide. It's ridiculous.

yes, ridiculous is the word.

[JamStone]

Why would you want to punish the kids for something they had no involvement in, rather than root out the adults with any role in it and rid/distance yourselves from said disgusting individuals?

I dont think this has to do with PSU. It has to do with a sick, disgusting individual and the spineless cowards that enabled him.

On the premise that the high school hypothetical involved the same type of 10 year cover-up, only punishing the individuals involved to me doesn't seem enough. That's just me. Innocent players pay for the for the indiscretions of others all the time. All the NCAA violations involving bowl bans and limited scholarships largely affect players who had nothing to do with the violations. But somehow you have to make the institution pay for those violations.




You have to be a really special kind of retarded to seriously think the media was sitting on a story this attention worthy and jaw dropping but decided to do nothing with it. If you were the journalist who broke this story wide open it would make your career, no journalist would sit on this and wait for JoePa to break the all time wins record.

There was an article written about Sandusky back on April 3rd of this year by the Beaver (haha it's called Beaver) County Times. That was 7 months ago. The national media has been sitting on the story. This story should have hit ESPN many months ago.

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area

[JamStone]

k.

either way, the NCAA has no business punishing the school for a crime having nothing to do with football/sports aside from the alleged criminal being a coach.

Not punishing them for the crime. Punishing them for covering it up for nearly 10 years. That's an administrative issue that has to deal with protecting the football program. Seems like something the NCAA should punish imo.

[Blake]

^Please.

They sat on the Tiger Woods story till she took up the 9 iron in public, MSM picked it up and they had no choice but to bleed him out.

They sat on the steroids in baseball story until McGuire & Sosa bled us out then they bled them out.

They sat on this one as well. The children were of no consequence.

lol conspiracy theories

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

On the premise that the high school hypothetical involved the same type of 10 year cover-up, only punishing the individuals involved to me doesn't seem enough. That's just me. Innocent players pay for the for the indiscretions of others all the time. All the NCAA violations involving bowl bans and limited scholarships largely affect players who had nothing to do with the violations. But somehow you have to make the institution pay for those violations.





There was an article written about Sandusky back on April 3rd of this year by the Beaver (haha it's called Beaver) County Times. That was 7 months ago. The national media has been sitting on the story. This story should have hit ESPN many months ago.

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area
Maybe cause there wasn't enough evidence and ESPN was worried about releasing something with severe accusations. There's no way they sit on this story if they knew how big it was gonna get.

[Giuseppe]

lol conspiracy theories

Nonsense. It's understandable. Media isn't going to cut their nose off to spite their face. Woods was a cash cow. McGuire & Sosa were cash cows. Paterno was a cash cow. They could protect & wait for Woods as long as he was at prime. Only his wife going nutty nuts ruined it. The call hit a police scanner and some wise ass heard it and came a runnin'.

No real harm in the Woods case in all honesty. Without conscience by Media, but, it's America.

And so it fucked up the records books forever more in the McGuire/Sosa dog & pony show. MLB knew too, but, couldn't stop themselves from fouling their own bed.

In this PA., case the children were deemed powerless and "invisible" by everybody. Media wrote their own ticket on this one.

It's fantastic is what it is.

[Giuseppe]

Maybe cause there wasn't enough evidence and ESPN was worried about releasing something with severe accusations. There's no way they sit on this story if they knew how big it was gonna get.

As much evidence as there is now. The indictment is sealed. Only the grand jury and Blake have the poop.

[JamStone]

Maybe cause there wasn't enough evidence and ESPN was worried about releasing something with severe accusations. There's no way they sit on this story if they knew how big it was gonna get.

There still isn't enough evidence now. But the story broke after Paterno notched 409.

Read that article. There was already an ongoing grand jury investigation on Sandusky dating back to 2009. Isn't that enough to make it newsworthy? It was a published article in a small Pennsylvania town newspaper. The story breaks out nationally 7 months later? After 409?

Also I heard on sports radio earlier today that the prosecuting attorney (not the DA but the prosecutor who handled the initial 1999 case) has been missing for years and no one knows where he went, and he was assumed dead 2 years ago. This cover-up goes much deeper than a lot of people are willing to accept.

[Blake]

Then I am glad people much smarter than you made the right decision.

People much greedier than me made a business decision.

Smarter people than you at Ohio St decided it shouldn't have been in the Sugar Bowl after all and refunded it's earnings from the game.

[Giuseppe]

Me & Jammie on this issue.

Me & Deepy on the lockout issue.

I God's.

[ALVAREZ6]

Also I heard on sports radio earlier today that the prosecuting attorney (not the DA but the prosecutor who handled the initial 1999 case) has been missing for years and no one knows where he went, and he was assumed dead 2 years ago. This cover-up goes much deeper than a lot of people are willing to accept.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1


Questions on Sandusky Are Wrapped in a 2005 Mystery

One of the questions surrounding the sex-abuse case against Jerry Sandusky is why a former district attorney chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy.

The answer is unknowable because of an unsolved mystery: What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney?

Gricar went missing in April 2005. The murky circumstances surrounding his disappearance — an abandoned car, a laptop recovered months later in a river without a hard drive, his body was never found — have spawned Web sites, television programs and conspiracy theories. More than six years later, the police still receive tips and reports of sightings. The police in central Pennsylvania continue to investigate even though Gricar’s daughter, Lara, successfully petitioned in July to have her father declared legally dead so the family could find some closure and begin dividing his estate.

Yet as the Sandusky investigation moves forward, questions will be asked anew about why Gricar did not pursue charges against him 13 years ago. A small but strident minority believes Gricar did not want to tackle a case that involved a hometown icon. Others who knew and worked with Gricar say he was a meticulous, independent and tough-minded prosecutor who was unbowed by Penn State, its football program and political pressure in general.

“No one got a bye with Ray,” said Anthony De Boef, who worked as an assistant district attorney under Gricar for five years. “He didn’t care who you were; he had a job to do.”

De Boef said Gricar did not share any information with him about the case in 1998, which involved Sandusky allegedly showering with an 11-year-old boy. Gricar, he said, reviewed the police reports in private including, presumably, notes or recordings of two conversations that the police heard between Sandusky and the boy’s mother. But Gricar had a reputation for thoroughness, and if he thought he had enough to charge Sandusky, he would have, De Boef and other lawyers said.

Still, the circumstances surrounding Gricar’s disappearance prompt many questions.

On April 15, 2005, Gricar, then 59, took the day off. At about 11:30 a.m., he called his girlfriend, Patricia Fornicola, to say he was taking a drive on Route 192. About 12 hours later, she reported him missing.

The next day, Gricar’s Mini Cooper was found in a parking lot in Lewisburg, about 50 miles from his home in Bellefonte. Gricar’s cellphone was in the car, but not his laptop, wallet or keys, which were never recovered. Months later, the laptop was found in the Susquehanna River without its hard drive, which was discovered later. It was too damaged to yield any information. On the fourth anniversary of his disappearance, investigators revealed that a search of his home computer yielded a history of Internet searches for phrases like “how to wreck a hard drive,” according to a report at the time in The Centre Daily Times.

When Gricar disappeared helicopters, dive teams and patrol cars were deployed, and the F.B.I. was brought in. Reports of Gricar turning up in Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Maryland and other states proved to be dead ends.

So what happened? Friends and colleagues say Gricar was not the type to walk away. His bank accounts were not touched after he disappeared, he had no other sources of income and he had no major debts, said Robert Buehner Jr., a friend and the district attorney in Montour County. Though divorced twice, he seemed happy with his girlfriend and close with his daughter. Gricar had already announced that he was retiring at the end of his term.

“He was absolutely looking forward to his future,” Buehner said.

If Gricar committed suicide, Buehner added, he would have wanted the body to be found. Foul play is the next possible conclusion. By the nature of their jobs prosecuting criminals, district attorneys end up having many enemies. But no credible suspects have emerged.

“I don’t think you’ll find too many district attorneys who disappear,” said Ken Mains, a detective who works on cold cases in Lycoming County. “D. B. Cooper, Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Hoffa, until a body is found, there are going to be conspiracy theories.”

[Blake]

And so it fucked up the records books forever more in the McGuire/Sosa dog & pony show. MLB knew too, but, couldn't stop themselves from fouling their own bed.

actually, rumors of steroids were swirling all through the home run race of 98.

I clearly remember Rick Reilly from SI badgering Sammy Sosa to take a quick test just to show everyone he hasn't taken anything.

MLB and the players union covered the players, not the media.


In this PA., case the children were deemed powerless and "invisible" by everybody. Media wrote their own ticket on this one.

It's fantastic is what it is.

Just one name in the media would suffice, thanks in advance.

[Blake]

and lol at Paterno being a media cash cow, pre-scandal

[ALVAREZ6]

Is that the official decision?

I know Paterno announced he was retiring at season's end, but I think PSU officials can still fire him. That may still be a possibility. I know that PSU President will either resign or be voted out by the board of trustees by the end of the day, that is almost certain now.

And now it's official. Both Spanier and Paterno are done.

[JamStone]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1

Man I feel for Penn State students, alumni, and fans. I can't imagine how most of you guys feel about things right now. How you holding up? This must suck major ass.

I would take a billion recruiting violations by my school over this shit.

[Giuseppe]

actually, rumors of steroids were swirling all through the home run race of 98.

I clearly remember Rick Reilly from SI badgering Sammy Sosa to take a quick test just to show everyone he hasn't taken anything.

MLB and the players union covered the players, not the media.



Just one name in the media would suffice, thanks in advance.

& MLB gave Media their marching orders, and Media abided. Because that was the deal. They got the ride up with McGuire & Sosa, and when it all fell apart they took off after 'em with equal zeal. Nobody had accounted for Canseco though. The booger under the bed. He queered it for everybody because they wouldn't let him in and share the payday.

[Blake]

As much evidence as there is now. The indictment is sealed. Only the grand jury and Blake have the poop.

I dont have anything other than what's been reported.

You are the one claiming media cover up.

Let us in on your scoop!

[Blake]

& MLB gave Media their marching orders, and Media abided. Because that was the deal. They got the ride up with McGuire & Sosa, and when it all fell apart they took off after 'em with equal zeal. Nobody had accounted for Canseco though. The booger under the bed. He queered it for everybody because they wouldn't let him in and share the payday.

cool story.

I'm wondering what your belief is on what happened to the towers on 9/11

[Giuseppe]

[[[De Boef said Gricar did not share any information with him about the case in 1998, which involved Sandusky allegedly showering with an 11-year-old boy. Gricar, he said, reviewed the police reports in private including, presumably, notes or recordings of two conversations that the police heard between Sandusky and the boy’s mother. But Gricar had a reputation for thoroughness, and if he thought he had enough to charge Sandusky, he would have, De Boef and other lawyers said.]]]

So it went from showering with the kid then to porking the kid now.

The prosecutor won't charge him then, but, the grand jury indicts him now.

:rolleyes

[ALVAREZ6]

Man I feel for Penn State students, alumni, and fans. I can't imagine how most of you guys feel about things right now. How you holding up? This must suck major ass.

I would take a billion recruiting violations by my school over this shit.

I'm actually sort of enjoying it. It's making my senior year more exciting and memorable, and at least it has ended Spanier at Penn State, something every student is happy about. He was always the biggest douche imaginable.

Obviously the sexual abuse is very disturbing, but that happened and is in the past...so I'm not saying I would want that to happen over again if we could go back in time.


Other than that, it's not a huge deal. PSU football isn't going anywhere because of this. And it's not like our degrees mean nothing all because of this :lol. There's a reason recruiters ranked PSU #1, per the WSJ last year.

[Giuseppe]

cool story.

I'm wondering what your belief is on what happened to the towers on 9/11

That Clinton & Bush were criminally negligent after the '93 attempt.

[Blake]

That Clinton & Bush were criminally negligent after the '93 attempt.

didnt answer the question, but it was still about the response I expected

:lol

[Giuseppe]

^Just shows ta go ya.

[DMX7]

Now that JoePa has been fired, he should go to Texas A&M. Anything to win, baby (no pun).

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Man, those reporters sounded like douches:

Q. Isn't it true that the BOD has been gunning for Joe since '04 and used this scandal to finally oust him?

A: (Are you fucking serious? look)

Q. Are you aware that right now the students are marching downtown in support of Joe?

A. Considering I'm here, no.

[ALVAREZ6]

Man, those reporters sounded like douches:

Q. Isn't it true that the BOD has been gunning for Joe since '04 and used this scandal to finally oust him?

A: (Are you fucking serious? look)

Q. Are you aware that right now the students are marching downtown in support of Joe?

A. Considering I'm here, no.

:lol

I wonder if the tear gas will come out tonight, it's all happening in front of my building, like most of our riots...

[MannyIsGod]

Your fellow students are fucking morons, Alvarez.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Q. (Nearly in tears) Why wasn't Joe allowed to leave with dignity?

[DMX7]

Q. (Nearly in tears) Why wasn't Joe allowed to leave with dignity?

A reporter asked that? Was it the student newspaper reporter, lol?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Those questions were indeed asked.

Rush to judgement was mentioned quite a bit as well. After 10-12 years, what's another few weeks with Pasadena on the line?

[Sisk]

Your fellow students are fucking morons, Alvarez.

Holy shit. I did not realize Penn State had such fucking morons. I'd be so embarrassed as a Penn State student.

[Sisk]

And lol at Dan Harris just saying on ESPN that 2 students came up to them saying that there are students who think this is ridiculous, but refusing an interview because they didn't want their asses kicked. The loud stupid ones get all the coverage, and I sure hope that the majority of students aren't this stupid.

[Blake]

^Just shows ta go ya.

^ya showed me youre a conspiracy nut job.

[redzero]

We are…
Sad.
We are…
Grieving with the families and the victims.
We are…
... Broken hearted.
We are…
Trying to make sense of things.
We are…
Confused.

We are…
Over 94,000 students strong
We are…
Ranked among the top 15 public universities.
We are…
The largest student-run philanthropy in the world
We are...
Over 8,500 top ranked faculty.
We are…
Hard working student athletes in many sporting events with NO connection to former events.

We are…
Over 500,000 loyal alumni.

We are…
More than 2 university officials and 2 athletic department members.
We are…
More than this scandal.

WE are Penn State, and we have always been much more than just a football team.

[Blake]

nice, but the real problem there is that Penn St is Joe Pa.

[Giuseppe]

^ya showed me youre a conspiracy nut job.

Hell, I'm still impressed with you having access to that indictment.

tee, hee.

[DesignatedT]

Lol Paterno coming out of his house. Classic.

[DesignatedT]

tywalkerticket Ty Walker
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[Bill_Brasky]

Are these people fucking serious?

I would rather have my team go 0-12 for multiple seasons than have anything like this associated with my university.

[Dex]

Riots breaking out at Penn State now. Throwing rocks at police and media members. Glad to see they are handling this gracefully.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/9/2551156/penn-state-riot-student-protest-joe-paterno-fired

[DesignatedT]

LOL these dipshits on ESPN now doing interviews.

[Blake]

Hell, I'm still impressed with you having access to that indictment.

tee, hee.

It may turn out that Sanduskey is innocent somehow.

I'm unimpressed with your claims that the media is as culpable for the rape of these children as Sanduskey.

You're an idiot, tbh.

[Dex]

rosssiler Ross Siler
You raise a generation on "Teen Mom" and "Real World" and you're surprised by these results?
2 minutes ago


HarveyAraton Harvey Araton
This is the result of a culture that mythologizes someone for having the "courage" to go for it on fourth down.
29 minutes ago

SHowardCooper Scott Howard-Cooper
Imagine what students from '60s, '70s are thinking. Then: protest war, race on campus. Now: protest for guy who covers for child molester.
22 minutes ago

[Blake]

espn showing media truck flipped over

Im not seeing any cops in this picture yet

[Sisk]

:lol those are gold dex

[Blake]

oh shit, cops spraying mace at the kids around the overturned media van

[silverblk mystix]

Anyone wanna read the sick shit Sandusky did....here ya' go...

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

[ALVAREZ6]

Your fellow students are fucking morons, Alvarez.

Yeah, this is gonna look REALLY bad. This school has just developed a desire to riot for any reason. I was just out there to check it all out, it was nuts. They tipped a news van and the riot police took forever to start doing anything, but finally started tear gassing people after a couple more light posts went down. This all happening within a 1.5 block radius around my building, it's been going around different locations.


The board of trustees were pretty stupid in how they handled the press conference though. They were horrible at answering any questions, decide to fire 2 head figures but literally moments after also state.."we still don't know a lot of the facts" or something along those lines. It was just a really sloppy/unprepared performance all around. And of course, it could have waited until tomorrow morning. Releasing this news at 10 PM, given this school's recent history, was just about guaranteeing a riot.

[Budkin]

I'd be embarrassed to be a Penn State student or alum right now seeing those idiots on the streets defending a guy who failed to protect children from being anally raped.

[Budkin]

Yeah, this is gonna look REALLY bad. This school has just developed a desire to riot for any reason. I was just out there to check it all out, it was nuts. They tipped a news van and the riot police took forever to start doing anything, but finally started tear gassing people after a couple more light posts went down. This all happening within a 1.5 block radius around my building, it's been going around different locations.


The board of trustees were pretty stupid in how they handled the press conference though. They were horrible at answering any questions, decide to fire 2 head figures but literally moments after also state.."we still don't know a lot of the facts" or something along those lines. It was just a really sloppy/unprepared performance all around. And of course, it could have waited until tomorrow morning. Releasing this news at 10 PM, given this school's recent history, was just about guaranteeing a riot.

It's crazy that you're right in the middle of that... stay safe!

[ALVAREZ6]

It's crazy that you're right in the middle of that... stay safe!

I'm back inside and safe. Almost got hit by a flying beer bottle. I was outside for most of it because it's innately an exciting experience seeing this kind of destruction with thousands of people in person.

[DesignatedT]

Sending Paterno out by a phone call is pretty fucked up.. I'll give JoePa that much.

Either way Penn State has handled this whole thing terribly, but I guess it's hard to know what to do in a situation like this.

[JamStone]

Sending Paterno out by a phone call is pretty fucked up.. I'll give JoePa that much.

Somewhat ironic since a phone call to the police 9 years ago could have prevented this one

[Giuseppe]

It may turn out that Sanduskey is innocent somehow.

I'm unimpressed with your claims that the media is as culpable for the rape of these children as Sanduskey.

You're an idiot, tbh.

And you're an asshole.

[NFO]

Smarter people than you at Ohio St decided it shouldn't have been in the Sugar Bowl after all and refunded it's earnings from the game.

lol. Get your facts straight. In December when Tat-gate came about is was just the five players and the Tressel stuff was not discovered until January when the University was preparing the appeal for the players.

Knowing what was known in December the decision to let them play was the right one. It was the AD and Jim Delany that wanted them to play. Tressel wanted them to sit.

When the Tressel stuff came out in January I had no problem with the decisions that were made in May to vacate the season and return the BCS money. That was done to avoid any future penalties and not to punish the players who had already played in that game.



As for Joe Pa, it is sad to see it end the way it has, but when you fail that bad on a moral level, whether or you are a legend or an icon, it is time for you to go.

[Giuseppe]

Paterno got railroaded.

[ChumpDumper]

Paterno got railroaded.He deserved worse.

[Giuseppe]

At least to this point you haven't lyao about this subject matter like you do downstairs.

Noble work you're doing there, Dumper.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Anyone who thinks Paterno didn't deserve everything he got supports child molestation.

[jag]

I'm back inside and safe. Almost got hit by a flying beer bottle. I was outside for most of it because it's innately an exciting experience seeing this kind of destruction with thousands of people in person.

:lol

The students' reaction to all of this seems very strange to me. If I were a student there I'd be glad Paterno was let go, if for no other reason then it at least begins the process of moving on from all of this.

[Giuseppe]

Anyone who thinks Paterno didn't deserve everything he got supports child molestation.

Please. You're another one who comes up here and beats his adorable hairless chest about child molestation then goes down stairs & lyao about it.

Signed,

- Pappy

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

We already knew you were a child molester. You and this guy probably would ride around in your van at night.

[Giuseppe]

We already knew you were a child molester. You and this guy probably would ride around in your van at night.

But, downstairs you thought it a hoot. Up here, you're all weepy eyed & morally outraged.

You were either lying then, or, lying now.

:toast

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm not surprised Cully is sympathizing so much with a child molestation conspiracy ring.

[Giuseppe]

I'm not surprised Cully is sympathizing so much with a child molestation conspiracy ring.

Please. You'll go back downstaris when the coast is clear and lyao about child molestation. Like you always have.

The chickens have come to roost, daddy.

:ihit

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Look at Cully, callin' me daddy, if this don't beat it all.

Let us proceed...

[Giuseppe]

^Just checkin' assholes, D. Started with Dumper first. You're second. I'll be trollin' this thread and this PA. event for backsliders from downstairs who downstairs thought child molestation was of a jocular nature, but, up here want to act all high & mighty about it.

Uh, uh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The difference being this situation involved kids actually being molested.

Unless of course there's more truth to you being a child molester than anyone actually thought :lol

[Giuseppe]

^At least I'm drawin' you out up here. So to you now child molestation is funny upstairs & downstairs.

Make up your mind, daddy.

[JMarkJohns]

So, I'm not sure what's been reported in here to this point, but breaking news in the last hour:


Sportswriter Mark Madden went on WEEI in Boston and reported a rumor that alleged child molester Jerry Sandusky would pimp out boys to rich donors.

"I hear a rumor that there will be a shocking development from the Second Miles Foundation ... That Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors."

Madden claims it's being investigated by "two prominent columnists."

We'd say this is ridiculous, and that you should take it with a grain of salt. But Madden actually wrote about Sandusky for the Beaver County Times six months ago — long before the scandal blindsided everyone else this week.

Madden also claimed Sandusky was forced out of Penn State in 1999.

"I think you'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told he had to retire in exchange for a cover up."

Sandusky retired at 55 in 1999, a year after Pennsylvania police investigated (but did not prosecute) him for alleged molesting a boy.

Again, label this under "RUMOR." But Madden has been out in front of this story before, so stay tuned.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11#ixzz1dJWriRXb

If any of this is remotely true, Alvarez may be looking for a new institution of higher learning.

[coyotes_geek]

^^^ Sickening.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'll feel extremely bad for Penn State students if that's true.

IMO it would also mean Paterno wasn't at fault and was scapegoated to begin with. As much power as we all think he has, rich boosters who can get anyone they want to fired have more power.

[JMarkJohns]

Here's the Boston interview with Madden (http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm)...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Also, if this is all true, and Penn State football facilities were used to facilitate a child molestation ring involving Penn State boosters and a former Penn State coach, while there was a unified effort by Penn State officials to let it all go on, then it shouldn't even be a question. Penn State football should get a death penalty worse than SMU got. It should be the worst penalty a program in any sport has ever gotten from the NCAA.

[Axe Murderer]

Please. You'll go back downstaris when the coast is clear and lyao about child molestation. Like you always have.

The chickens have come to roost, daddy.

:ihit

don't you mean upstairs faggot?

[JMarkJohns]

I don't want this burried on the previous page...


So, I'm not sure what's been reported in here to this point, but breaking news in the last hour:


Sportswriter Mark Madden went on WEEI in Boston and reported a rumor that alleged child molester Jerry Sandusky would pimp out boys to rich donors.

"I hear a rumor that there will be a shocking development from the Second Miles Foundation ... That Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors."

Madden claims it's being investigated by "two prominent columnists."

We'd say this is ridiculous, and that you should take it with a grain of salt. But Madden actually wrote about Sandusky for the Beaver County Times six months ago — long before the scandal blindsided everyone else this week.
Madden also claimed Sandusky was forced out of Penn State in 1999.

"I think you'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told he had to retire in exchange for a cover up."

Sandusky retired at 55 in 1999, a year after Pennsylvania police investigated (but did not prosecute) him for alleged molesting a boy.

Again, label this under "RUMOR." But Madden has been out in front of this story before, so stay tuned.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11#ixzz1dJWriRXb

If any of this is remotely true, Alvarez may be looking for a new institution of higher learning.


Here's the Boston interview with Madden (http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm)...

[Spurminator]

This is now officially the craziest scandal I've ever seen.

[JMarkJohns]

Interesting piece of info... Ray Gricar, the original DA in the case, his body has never been found.

LINK: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html


On April 15, 2005, Gricar, then 59, took the day off. At about 11:30 a.m., he called his girlfriend, Patricia Fornicola, to say he was taking a drive on Route 192. About 12 hours later, she reported him missing.

The next day, Gricar’s Mini Cooper was found in a parking lot in Lewisburg, about 50 miles from his home in Bellefonte. Gricar’s cellphone was in the car, but not his laptop, wallet or keys, which were never recovered. Months later, the laptop was found in the Susquehanna River without its hard drive, which was discovered later. It was too damaged to yield any information. On the fourth anniversary of his disappearance, investigators revealed that a search of his home computer yielded a history of Internet searches for phrases like “how to wreck a hard drive,” according to a report at the time in The Centre Daily Times.

When Gricar disappeared helicopters, dive teams and patrol cars were deployed, and the F.B.I. was brought in. Reports of Gricar turning up in Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Maryland and other states proved to be dead ends.

My unsubstantiated rumor, Gricar was addicted to kiddie porn, used Sandusky to take it a step farther, then was blackmailed by Sandusky to release him, and, before the new shit-storm broke, he R-U-N-N-O-F-T'd to escape, or was killed.

[Giuseppe]

don't you mean upstairs faggot?

I thought this was upstairs. I thought the NBA Forum was downstairs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I thought this was upstairs. I thought the NBA Forum was downstairs.
Upstairs is the Spurs forum. Downstairs is everywhere else :lol

[Giuseppe]

Also, if this is all true, and Penn State football facilities were used to facilitate a child molestation ring involving Penn State boosters and a former Penn State coach, while there was a unified effort by Penn State officials to let it all go on, then it shouldn't even be a question. Penn State football should get a death penalty worse than SMU got. It should be the worst penalty a program in any sport has ever gotten from the NCAA.

P.S., haaarmphfff!

:toast

[Giuseppe]

IMO it would also mean Paterno wasn't at fault and was scapegoated to begin with. As much power as we all think he has, rich boosters who can get anyone they want to fired have more power.

Your ass halfed apology is duly noted, daddy.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Your ass halfed apology is duly noted, daddy.
Wasn't an apology. Paterno still coulda done more, I just don't fault him for it because it would have cost him his job and the donors coulda done anything to sabotage him.

[TFloss32]

This is now officially the craziest scandal I've ever seen.

I'm not letting myself be surprised by much else in this case. It's looking like Sandusky's "charity" was just a front for lots of horrible things; child molestation/abuse, sex trafficking, paying players, etc. You factor in the Pennsylvania DA who practically vanished and you can throw in a possible murder. There's just no way Paterno didn't know something and his role in this whole thing will be unveiled sooner or later. There are a lot of men who need to be dangling by their nutsacks right now.

[JamStone]

I'll feel extremely bad for Penn State students if that's true.

IMO it would also mean Paterno wasn't at fault and was scapegoated to begin with. As much power as we all think he has, rich boosters who can get anyone they want to fired have more power.

IMO it makes Paterno even more culpable if there was an actual kiddie prostitution ring going on. If it's one guy, it's a little more believable that Paterno didn't know the extent of what was going on. A child prostitution ring going on with boosters and donors? And he knows nothing? He might be a scapegoat, but to me that makes this entire cover-up and everyone involved even more criminally responsible for this shitstorm. And everyone, Paterno included, deserve as much punishment allowed by law. Paterno might not be the most culpable, but to me he can't plead ignorance on this one.

[JamStone]

Interesting piece of info... Ray Gricar, the original DA in the case, his body has never been found.

LINK: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html


My unsubstantiated rumor, Gricar was addicted to kiddie porn, used Sandusky to take it a step farther, then was blackmailed by Sandusky to release him, and, before the new shit-storm broke, he R-U-N-N-O-F-T'd to escape, or was killed.

No one seemed to care when I posted that last night. A lot of people on here were laughing things off like they were crackpot conspiracy theories.

[JMarkJohns]

Hand in hand with the rumor of the kiddie ring is the Penn State cover up that found charges against Sandusky never fully looked into, and Sandusky "retired" at age 55 from a program who'd named him successor for a then 70-YO coach.

The fact that Penn State could have worked hand in hand the supposedly crooked and now never-found AD at the time suggests that Paterno knew much, much more, as Paterno wasn't a figurehead at Penn State — many would argue he was Penn State.

[Giuseppe]

It is refreshing that I'll never have to be chided about child molestation downstairs ever again....or, even upstairs.

I owe it all to this Sandusky fellow.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

IMO it makes Paterno even more culpable if there was an actual kiddie prostitution ring going on. If it's one guy, it's a little more believable that Paterno didn't know the extent of what was going on. A child prostitution ring going on with boosters and donors? And he knows nothing? He might be a scapegoat, but to me that makes this entire cover-up and everyone involved even more criminally responsible for this shitstorm. And everyone, Paterno included, deserve as much punishment allowed by law. Paterno might not be the most culpable, but to me he can't plead ignorance on this one.
True, I misspoke by saying he wasn't at fault. He's still at fault but I don't blame him for not ratting out people more powerful than he is. If there's a connection between this and the DA disappearing off the face of the planet, then it's even more understandable that JoePa wouldn't wanna report people involved with that.

[JMarkJohns]

No one seemed to care when I posted that last night. A lot of people on here were laughing things off like they were crackpot conspiracy theories.

I am not laughing. There's too many connections for these to be coincidences.

[TFloss32]

No one seemed to care when I posted that last night. A lot of people on here were laughing things off like they were crackpot conspiracy theories.

Gricar was successfully "Xed" out of the equation whether that be murdering him or paying him off to disappear for a very long time. Finding a laptop of his, that probably once held valuable evidence, destroyed in a river is worth mention.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol that laptop hard drive must have had god knows how much kiddie porn on it

[Bill_Brasky]

No one seemed to care when I posted that last night. A lot of people on here were laughing things off like they were crackpot conspiracy theories.

It turned out he had looked up how to destroy a hard drive on his home PC before he disappeared...why would he do that?

No body, no answers. Sends chills down my spine knowing how deep this shit may go.

[JMarkJohns]

The AD was clearly involved, and probably pretty deep. No pun intended...

[Giuseppe]

True, I misspoke by saying he wasn't at fault.

You're all the over the place on this, D.:lmao

You're adorable when you flip-flop like this.

[Giuseppe]

:lol that laptop hard drive must have had god knows how much kiddie porn on it

At least your sense of humor over child molestation is still intact.

[Blake]

No one seemed to care when I posted that last night. A lot of people on here were laughing things off like they were crackpot conspiracy theories.

I don't see anyone on here laughing about what the DA or Penn St may have covered up.

[silverblk mystix]

FUCK PATERNO!

It is inexcusable to have a crime involving a child reported to you and all you do is follow the chain of command and report it to your immediate supervisor---and then just CLOSE YOUR FUCKIN' EYES!

How many other kids were abused because Paterno had no sense of moral justice or balls to do what was right...or to follow up on his report and to check on the child's welfare.

84 fuckin' years old and the piece of shit did not learn shit in his whole life except to chase a fuckin carrot and protect his own "legacy".

FUCK HIM!

[Giuseppe]

FUCK PATERNO!

It is inexcusable to have a crime involving a child reported to you and all you do is follow the chain of command and report it to your immediate supervisor---and then just CLOSE YOUR FUCKIN' EYES!

How many other kids were abused because Paterno had no sense of moral justice or balls to do what was right...or to follow up on his report and to check on the child's welfare.

84 fuckin' years old and the piece of shit did not learn shit in his whole life except to chase a fuckin carrot and protect his own "legacy".

FUCK HIM!

You've no room. You've spent the better part of 3 years downstairs making light of child molestation. Now you want to take exception to it.

You phony fuck, you.

[Giuseppe]

I don't see anyone on here laughing about what the DA or Penn St may have covered up.

DoK has been switching twixt lhao & taking umbrage.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The thought of me and molestation at the same time has given Cully the hard on viagra couldn't.

I'm flattered.

[silverblk mystix]

You've no room. You've spent the better part of 3 years downstairs making light of child molestation. Now you want to take exception to it.

You phony fuck, you.

Show me where I made light of child molestation. I didn't and you can stop lumping me with anyone else.

[DarkReign]

I will say this about Paterno though. While he's absolutely a villain in this whole thing, I do think some people (I've been hearing and reading) suggesting that Paterno is just as evil as Sandusky are being too harsh. Should Paterno face judgment and some sort of penalty? Absolutely. But let's be clear. The man who actually molested and raped the boys is the primary person to be blamed and persecuted here. The cover up is horrible. But nothing is as bad, as evil, or as sick as the actual acts of violating the kids.


When you willfully fail to report a crime, you become an accessory to that crime.

When Paterno was made aware of the allegations, he had more to do than just report it to his superiors.

WTF is that, btw? Allegations are made by an eyewitness that a coach is literally fornicating with children in the Penn State football shower/lockeroom, and their first instinct is to follow protocol?!

They should all burn for that ALONE. How much he knew or didnt know means nothing to me...the fact that Paterno was aware of the allegations and simply followed university protocol is damnable, to me anyway.

That goes for everyone else involved, too. The only people who I wouldnt charge the same as Sandusky are those individuals who knew about it and reported it to the police. ie No one at Penn State.

[Giuseppe]

Show me where I made light of child molestation. I didn't and you can stop lumping me with anyone else.

BS. You were right in with the rest of 'em.

[Giuseppe]

The thought of me and molestation at the same time has given Cully the hard on viagra couldn't.

I'm flattered.

D, switching back to jocularity.

tee, hee.

[DarkReign]

There has been a lot of speculation throughout this fall that Urban Meyer was a very possible candidate to takeover at PSU. He's been to a couple of games here this season and apparently within the past week has bought/rented a house at a neighboring town. I just hope all of this shit isn't enough to deter him from considering coaching PSU.

No offense, my man, but its a very real possibility that Penn State will get kicked out of the B10 and that the football program will not survive this. The next coach is the very last thing PSU should be concerned about...like the extremely last thing in the universe.

Penn State may collapse. Especially if it comes out that Sandusky was pimping these children to donor alumni. That would be institutional child exploitation that no one, not even the mightiest corporations or universities, can come back from.

Think about the logistics involved to pull off a child sex circuit specifically tailored to Penn State alumni. Think about it.

If true, Penn State shouldnt even exist after this.

[silverblk mystix]

BS. You were right in with the rest of 'em.

I am waiting for you to show me...I still don't know what you are referring to...and so far...although we have disagreed on things because we hate each others teams...I have always had respect for you.

Enlighten me on where I specifically made light of child abuse...and how does this relate or pertain to you because I am still dumbfounded as to what you are referring to?

[DarkReign]

The fact real police (not the campus cops) were not immediately notified illustrates everything that is wrong with college sports these days.

I have to stop posting before I am finished reading the thread.

Absolutely THIS. Unquestionably, unequivocally this. Makes all involved just as guilty as Sandusky, IMO.

[Spurminator]

I can't believe they're still playing the game this weekend.

[Giuseppe]

I am waiting for you to show me...I still don't know what you are referring to...and so far...although we have disagreed on things because we hate each others teams...I have always had respect for you.

Enlighten me on where I specifically made light of child abuse...and how does this relate or pertain to you because I am still dumbfounded as to what you are referring to?

Then I am mistaken, Silv. I took it at face value that you were involved in the campaign against me using the pedophile/child molestation bent.

My deepest apologies to you.

[Cry Havoc]

I can't believe they're still playing the game this weekend.

That isn't set in stone yet, I would think. If anything comes out about a sex ring, or the media starts pushing the disappearance of the DA, there might not be a game at all. Not that a game is even important in the scope of things, but the thought that "football will go on" in wake of what's happened is patently ludicrous.

[Cry Havoc]

D, switching back to jocularity.

tee, hee.

And that (laughter) is a very natural reaction to dealing with a situation of this magnitude. Haven't you ever studied Psychology?

[silverblk mystix]

Then I am mistaken, Silv. I took it at face value that you were involved in the campaign against me using the pedophile/child molestation bent.

My deepest apologies to you.

Apology accepted...if it matters to you. I see now what you may be referring to and it never interested me either way. None of my beeswax.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think a death penalty after the season would be fine as the players who aren't responsible would have a chance to transfer and damage to them would be minimized.

Cutting their season short, while just, would be too damaging to the players IMO. It could kill the chances several seniors have at the NFL, and it doesn't give any of the players a chance to go elsewhere.

If they were allowed to continue the season but all the revenue from the games had to be given to some kind of charity it would be a lot better.

[Giuseppe]

And that (laughter) is a very natural reaction to dealing with a situation of this magnitude. Haven't you ever studied Psychology?

Well, fuck me then. Hells/bells, I thought I had "the Cubby is a pedophile/child molester crowd" by the short hairs. Turns out they can ltao without sanction.:depressed

[Giuseppe]

Apology accepted

Thank you.

[Cry Havoc]

Well, fuck me then. Hells/bells, I thought I had "the Cubby is a pedophile/child molester crowd" by the short hairs. Turns out they can ltao without sanction.:depressed

You have a point there. I have never and would never say anything like that to you, and I think it's extremely distasteful of anyone to do so.

[DarkReign]

Seems I jumped the gun, quoting posts made before the child-ring allegations were made.

Sorry, Jam and Alvarez.

[Cry Havoc]

Apologies for insinuating otherwise.

[Cry Havoc]

"Joe Paterno will go down as one of the greatest men..."

Be careful, Bradley. You don't know how deep this rabbit hole goes.

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.thesecondmile.org/welcome.php

Wow, the statement on that page is just ridiculous. So they knew of allegations but they did nothing until 2008?

This looks more and more ominous as things move forward.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Holy shit, a sex ring and a DA missing under suspicious circumstances? This reminds me of when the whole Michael Vick thing was first breaking where you had such a shocking and seemingly out of nowhere revelation that no rumor or accusation, no matter how big, seemed like it could be dismissed out of hand.

[Cry Havoc]

Holy shit, a sex ring and a DA missing under suspicious circumstances? This reminds me of when the whole Michael Vick thing was first breaking where you had such a shocking and seemingly out of nowhere revelation that no rumor or accusation, no matter how big, seemed like it could be dismissed out of hand.

Similar, except about a million times worse.

We could see a lot of people standing on trial before this is over with their freedom for decades if not the rest of their lives on the line.

[Giuseppe]

Similar, except about a million times worse.

We could see a lot of people standing on trial before this is over with their freedom for decades if not the rest of their lives on the line.

& they let Sandusky post a small bail 100K. If I were him, I'd pack & run, or, commit sideways.

[Cry Havoc]

& they let Sandusky post a small bail 100K. If I were him, I'd pack & run, or, commit sideways.

That's absurd. Especially given the fact that boosters might be involved in this. They could hide him for the rest of his life and he wouldn't have to spend another day in jail.

[ChumpDumper]

Show me where I made light of child molestation. I didn't and you can stop lumping me with anyone else.Show me where I did it as well.

I'd like to see what you're going on about.

[Blake]

And you're an asshole.

the opinion of more than one apparently.

fact remains though that you're an idiot.

[Blake]

lol. Get your facts straight. In December when Tat-gate came about is was just the five players and the Tressel stuff was not discovered until January when the University was preparing the appeal for the players.

Knowing what was known in December the decision to let them play was the right one. It was the AD and Jim Delany that wanted them to play. Tressel wanted them to sit.

When the Tressel stuff came out in January I had no problem with the decisions that were made in May to vacate the season and return the BCS money. That was done to avoid any future penalties and not to punish the players who had already played in that game.



As for Joe Pa, it is sad to see it end the way it has, but when you fail that bad on a moral level, whether or you are a legend or an icon, it is time for you to go.

bullshit.

if you suspend kids for one game or five, it should start with the very next game, regardless of where they are at that point in the season.
It happens like that in every sport. Players get suspended during playoffs all the time for infractions.

The fact that these Ohio St players got to play in the Sugar Bowl reeks of NCAA hypocrisy.

The only one that doesn't get that is stupid Ohio St fan that would have been pissed if they didnt play because he already bought his ticket.

[Blake]

I can't believe they're still playing the game this weekend.

I'm wondering more why Mike McQueary is still employed.

[JMarkJohns]

I'm wondering more why Mike McQueary is still employed.

This. I am baffled. Every name involved needs to be held accountable. He witnessed and ran (rather than taking action), then sat on the info after telling Paterno only for nearly a decade? A gotsta go situation.

[coyotes_geek]

I'm wondering more why Mike McQueary is still employed.

There was some blogger and/or radio guy speculating that McQueary might be protected by whistleblower laws, or that at least the university is taking their time to figure out whether he is or not.

No idea how accurate that is, but it's the only explaination I've seen that makes some kind of sense for why he's still there......

[JMarkJohns]

There was some blogger and/or radio guy speculating that McQueary might be protected by whistleblower laws, or that at least the university is taking their time to figure out whether he is or not.

No idea how accurate that is, but it's the only explaination I've seen that makes some kind of sense for why he's still there......

This makes sense, as he did follow "protocol" in his course of action. Still ridiculous as far as common sense goes.

[Cry Havoc]

There was some blogger and/or radio guy speculating that McQueary might be protected by whistleblower laws, or that at least the university is taking their time to figure out whether he is or not.

No idea how accurate that is, but it's the only explaination I've seen that makes some kind of sense for why he's still there......

Don't you have to be a whistleblower to be protected? I'm not sure walking out of the building while a crime against a child is being committed then calling your ol' head coach the next DAY qualifies.

[ChumpDumper]

This makes sense, as he did follow "protocol" in his course of action. Still ridiculous as far as common sense goes.He called the police?

He, you know, beat the shit out of the guy raping a child?

[coyotes_geek]

This makes sense, as he did follow "protocol" in his course of action. Still ridiculous as far as common sense goes.

Agreed. He clearly should have done more. But if he did barely enough to qualify for whistleblower protection then he's barely on the good side of being untouchable as far as his job goes.


Don't you have to be a whistleblower to be protected? I'm not sure walking out of the building while a crime against a child is being committed then calling your ol' head coach the next DAY qualifies.

I wouldn't think so either, but then it's about the only scenario that comes anywhere close to making some kind of sense as to why he's still employed there.

[JMarkJohns]

He called the police?

He, you know, beat the shit out of the guy raping a child?

Hence why protocol was in quotes. It's unacceptable to me, but if his obligation is "fulfilled" by going to Paterno, and the whistleblower statute is applied, I see that argument. I don't agree, but I see that as the reason why he's not shitcanned already.

[ChumpDumper]

Hence why protocol was in quotes. It's unacceptable to me, but if his obligation is "fulfilled" by going to Paterno, and the whistleblower statute is applied, I see that argument. I don't agree, but I see that as the reason why he's not shitcanned already.Understood. He's got some balls showing his face in public or even to his team.

Of course, Joe wanted to finish the fucking season too. People just don't get it.

[DesignatedT]

Has this rumor been discussed yet?


Rumor: In a development that could blow this scandal to even greater dimension, Pittsburgh columnist Mark Madden told a Boston radio station that Sandusky had been pimping out young boys to rich donors.

[ChumpDumper]

Has this rumor been discussed yet?End of page 6.

[Spurminator]

That's the part where it gets a little far-fetched for me but I guess nothing would surprise me at this point. Just seems like that would have been a much more difficult secret to keep.

[Cry Havoc]

PSU has just asked that McQueary not be on the sidelines for the game on Saturday. Source: Outside the Lines.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

That's the part where it gets a little far-fetched for me but I guess nothing would surprise me at this point. Just seems like that would have been a much more difficult secret to keep.

Yeah, the idea of a prostitution ring even on a small scale seems like it would be tough to keep a lid on, though at rate this story is going the report Sandusky did such a thing once or twice seems like it's destined to come out next.

[mingus]

more to come about how he was pimping kids to other people in addition to molesting them.

Paterno and everyone who knew about it deserves time in jail. unbelievable.

[mingus]

and wtf is up with Penn State students? nothing says more about our culture's blind, sick obsession/idolization of celebrity more than what those dumb fucks are doing.

[Cry Havoc]

and wtf is up with Penn State students? nothing says more about our culture's blind, sick obsession/idolization of celebrity more than what those dumb fucks are doing.

To be fair, that seems to be a non-majority. From what I've seen, most of the PSU students are saddened/disheartened by this and think the board was right to fire Joe.

[4>0 Rings' Treadmill]

JoePa might not be stepping down yet..but the real question is....




















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Annoying post is annoying.

[djohn2oo8]

The Penn State sexual abuse scandal may have a local connection. Penn State's former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky, is accused of having inappropriate contact with young boys. Some of the alleged victims were as young as 8 and 10 years old.
Now, the San Antonio Police Department is looking to see if they have a case in San Antonio.
"We are investigating the possibility that an offense may have happened while here in San Antonio," SAPD's Sgt. Chris Benavides said.
The Bexar County District Attorney's Office and SAPD are looking into an alleged incident back in 1999 that reportedly happened in San Antonio.
The San Antonio connection involves the 1999 Alamo Bowl when Penn State went up against Texas A&M.
The grand jury indictment, alleges Sandusky brought a young boy to San Antonio to attend the Alamo Bowl. He is identified as "Victim 4."
Sandusky reportedly threatened to send the victim home if he didn't cooperate with the illegal activity.
Sandusky is also accused of giving Victim 4 gifts, clothing, and passes to various sporting events.
Sandusky allegedly guaranteed Victim 4 he could be a walk-on player at Penn State.
If Victim 4 is alleging he was assaulted here in San Antonio, local police want to know if they can bring up charges here.

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Talk about a bi polar student body:


#PSU students cancelled traditional pep rally tomorrow night, have candlelight vigil for #victims. Expecting 8,000-10,000 @johnclarknbc10

Glad they're doing this, though.

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After a day of hearing how retarded they are defending Paterno it's no surprise.

[ALVAREZ6]

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The students' reaction to all of this seems very strange to me. If I were a student there I'd be glad Paterno was let go, if for no other reason then it at least begins the process of moving on from all of this.

Well you see, Joe Paterno is to the Penn State community as God is to the Christian community. That's just fact. People who know nothing about football or any sport blindly support him because of his history and for being the icon he is. It's the same thing. When you're that fanatical about someone or something, you will not consistently think rationally.

[ALVAREZ6]

Apparently Sandusky was downtown recently instead of laying low. I heard he was spotted at a local gym and Dick's Sporting Goods.

I also heard today that Sandusky intends on pleading not guilty :wow:wow:wow. He may try to sell that since the kids from his organization were underprivileged + low income and have money incentives for being victims. Truly shocking. Why the hell would they wait so long then?

Further illustrates just how fucking crazy this guy is. He is psychotic.

[Giuseppe]

Well you see, Joe Paterno is to the Penn State community as God is to the Christian community. That's just fact. People who know nothing about football or any sport blindly support him because of his history and for being the icon he is. It's the same thing. When you're that fanatical about someone or something, you will not consistently think rationally.

Everybody makes mistakes. Paterno made one here. But, he's also led an exemplary life otherwise, leading multitudes of young men into productive lives.

If Eric Holder can slaughter American babies at Ruby Ridge & Waco and still remain in office 20 years later Paterno can find grace as well.

[Giuseppe]

Apparently Sandusky was downtown recently instead of laying low. I heard he was spotted at a local gym and Dick's Sporting Goods. .

Probably loitering the swing sets & teeter totter displays.

tee, hee.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol Cubby still butthurt the radicals in Waco were killed like they deserved to be

[ChumpDumper]

lol Cubby still butthurt the radicals in Waco were killed like they deserved to beHe's one of the survivors.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He's one of the survivors.
:lmao

[Giuseppe]

lol Cubby still butthurt the radicals in Waco were killed

True. Only McVeigh squaring it with the house permits me a modicum of contentment.

[Giuseppe]

He's one of the survivors.

We all are.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol wait, so when the FBI executes a last resort order to kill bunch of Radical Americans it's inexcusable, but when Timothy McVeigh commits a terrorist attack against a bunch of random, innocent Americans, and uses the Waco Siege as a cop out reason, it's something to be commended? You are one strange motherfucker.

[Giuseppe]

:lol wait, so when the FBI executes a last resort order to kill bunch of Radical Americans it's inexcusable, but when Timothy McVeigh commits a terrorist attack against a bunch of random, innocent Americans, and uses the Waco Siege as a cop out reason, it's something to be commended? You are one strange motherfucker.

McVeigh taught empathy. Not that shit written down on paper, but, true empathy.

[ChumpDumper]

McVeigh taught empathy. Not that shit written down on paper, but, true empathy.Is this a joke?

[Giuseppe]

Is this a joke?

Absolutely not. The F.B.I. & ATF tried running from him after Waco. McVeigh ran 'em to ground & squared it with house.

We could all be friends again.

[ChumpDumper]

Absolutely not. The F.B.I. & ATF tried running from him after Waco. McVeigh ran 'em to ground & squared it with house.

We could all be friends again.I'll give you another chance.

Is this a joke?

[johngateswhiteley]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1

Jesus, how come more people are not talking about this? Insanely coincidental and just fucking crazy..

[Giuseppe]

I'll give you another chance.

Is this a joke?

Dumper, I've stated this belief on these Boards for almost 3 years. You're late.

[ChumpDumper]

Dumper, I've stated this belief on these Boards for almost 3 years. You're late.I don't read most of your posts.

It's an impressively stupid viewpoint.