Reduce Legal Immigration

[scott]

Saw this commercial tonight during the GOP Debate.

My first thought was "huh?"

So, what say you folks? Should we reduce the number of legal immigrants allowed into the US? What do you hope it would accomplish? Follow up, what do you think it would actually accomplish?

[Wild Cobra]

Saw this commercial tonight during the GOP Debate.

My first thought was "huh?"

So, what say you folks? Should we reduce the number of legal immigrants allowed into the US? What do you hope it would accomplish? Follow up, what do you think it would actually accomplish?
Who sponsored the commercial.

Surely someone captured it and put it on YOUTUBE. I'm going to look, have you?

[scott]

I *saw* the commercial dumbshit, I know who sponsored and what it was about. I'm asking the forum's opinion. Try to keep up, idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

I *saw* the commercial dumbshit, I know who sponsored and what it was about. I'm asking the forum's opinion. Try to keep up, idiot.
So why didn't you tell us who sponsored it?

[scott]

So why didn't you tell us who sponsored it?

I realize this is a foreign concept for you, but I was hoping to get responses from people who think for themselves.

[Wild Cobra]

I realize this is a foreign concept for you, but I was hoping to get responses from people who think for themselves.
I can think better than most, thank you.

If you are assuming it was sponsored by republicans, just because it was on during the republican debates... What does that make you?

I ask again. Who was the commercial sponsor?

Was the commercial specific, or general. I think most reasonable people would agree there are some visas that should not be granted. However, as far as I know, the general republican and conservative consensus is to increase legal immigration and come down harder on illegal immigration.

[scott]

I can think better than most, thank you.

No you can't. You're a fucking idiot, as demonstrated time and time again.


If you are assuming it was sponsored by republicans, just because it was on during the republican debates... What does that make you?

I didn't assume anything, as you accused me of doing before you edited your post. You're someone who assumes someone is assuming something they aren't. What does that make you?


I ask again. Who was the commercial sponsor?

You can ask all day, and I'll continue to not say. Who sponsored it is irrelevant, I want to know what people think for themselves. I know this automatically disqualifies you from having an opinion, since you’ve demonstrated time and again you are not capable of thinking for yourself.


Was the commercial specific, or general. I think most reasonable people would agree there are some visas that should not be granted. However, as far as I know, the general republican and conservative consensus is to increase legal immigration and come down harder on illegal immigration.

This thread isn't about a commercial. It's about the idea of reducing the number of legal immigrants in America. Try to stay on topic, Forum Cop. If you want to talk about commercials, start another thread.

[Wild Cobra]

You can ask all day, and I'll continue to not say. Who sponsored it is irrelevant, I want to know what people think for themselves. I know this automatically disqualifies you from having an opinion, since you’ve demonstrated time and again you are not capable of thinking for yourself.
Who sponsored it and the context of its message is relevant, since you brought it up the way you did.

This thread isn't about a commercial. It's about the idea of reducing the number of legal immigrants in America. Try to stay on topic, Forum Cop. If you want to talk about commercials, start another thread.
I would say we need to increase legal immigration in general, but not during economic times like we have now.

[ElNono]

I'll stay out of this, seeing I'm part of the perceived problem.

[Wild Cobra]

I'll stay out of this, seeing I'm part of the perceived problem.
LOL..

I will disagree with you once more.

[redskinfan]

It was sponsored by "Yonivore".

[RandomGuy]

Saw this commercial tonight during the GOP Debate.

My first thought was "huh?"

So, what say you folks? Should we reduce the number of legal immigrants allowed into the US? What do you hope it would accomplish? Follow up, what do you think it would actually accomplish?

We need to throw open the fucking doors, especially to educated engineers and scientists. Brain drain the rest of the world.

"Ha, ha, you spent all that money educating them, but now they live/work here, human capital pwnage!"

[RandomGuy]

This thread isn't about a commercial. It's about the idea of reducing the number of legal immigrants in America. Try to stay on topic, Forum Cop. If you want to talk about commercials, start another thread.

It is important to him because it is one of the methods by which his confirmation bias works. He will select some minor semantic error, and use that as a basis to completely dismiss the entire main point, no matter how well constructed. I call it the "AHA! Cognitive Dissonance Reduction Process"

[Wild Cobra]

It is important to him because it is one of the methods by which his confirmation bias works. He will select some minor semantic error, and use that as a basis to completely dismiss the entire main point, no matter how well constructed. I call it the "AHA! Cognitive Dissonance Reduction Process"
I see you fail to understand my last post to Scott, and you talk about confirmation bias. My God.

May I suggest you stop and consider that I did give him a response after he clarified.

[RandomGuy]

I see you fail to understand my last post to Scott, and you talk about confirmation bias. My God.

May I suggest you stop and consider that I did give him a response after he clarified.

I must confess to not really reading your post too closely, and was speculating a bit on your normal tendencies, as opposed to anything specific to this thread.

A bit sleepy anyhoo. Been doing end of month reconciling so my brain is a bit drained at this point. Nothing like chasing down minor errors hidden in hundreds of potential entires to take it out of ya.

[Wild Cobra]

I must confess to not really reading your post too closely, and was speculating a bit on your normal tendencies, as opposed to anything specific to this thread.

A bit sleepy anyhoo. Been doing end of month reconciling so my brain is a bit drained at this point. Nothing like chasing down minor errors hidden in hundreds of potential entires to take it out of ya.

Yep...

Your speculation, and calling me biased.

How often do you apply your standards of others to yourself? Is your motto "Do as I say, not as I do?"

How about a response in the pseudoscience thread as well.

[RandomGuy]

Yep...

Your speculation, and calling me biased.

How often do you apply your standards of others to yourself? Is your motto "Do as I say, not as I do?"

How about a response in the pseudoscience thread as well.

Argh. Communicating with you through a written medium can be maddening. I honestly am not entirely sure what you are trying to drive at here. I'm sure it makes sense in your head, but it is not quite all that clear.

[Wild Cobra]

Argh. Communicating with you through a written medium can be maddening. I honestly am not entirely sure what you are trying to drive at here. I'm sure it makes sense in your head, but it is not quite all that clear.
Just be more careful about who you say is biased when you have your own.

[TDMVPDPOY]

should only let in ppl who are professionally, where their current jobs can be transfer into america

then again you are taking a countrys best resources to come to your country, while that country gets into the shits with undersupply of professionals to keep up with the demands in services...aka like doctors, nurses, teachers, skilled labour...

[LnGrrrR]

I'm all for letting more people legally immigrate; we'll need young workers to prop up the benefits we're giving to the old.

[jman3000]

WC continues to be the most verbose person on Earth. My God.

[mavs>spurs]

I'm all for letting more people legally immigrate; we'll need young workers to prop up the benefits we're giving to the old.

There aren't even any jobs for the young people we've already got, only 55% of 16-29 year olds are currently employed. What are you, stupid or something?

[m>s]

someone just be biased on all immigration-related topics as he always be imho, trying to derail the thread and to deviate it towards the "commercial" when the main point of this thread doesn't have much to do with the "commercial" itself. its fine to be a supporter of "legal" immigration or you might just be doing so to flatter your wife and in-laws who're all "legal" immigrants, but please try not to preach your retarded concepts to them young lads here. im pretty sure most posters here each have a BA degree at least, which you don't have...

so what makes the difference between a "legal" immigrant and an "illegal" alien? isn't it just a paperwork or shit and how much does it cost? as you hate them illegals and want them all to leave, why should you give exemptions to them "legal" immigrants? "legal" immigration makes just as little sense to me as "legal murder" tbh. illegals don't take away those decent jobs and they don't gnaw our welfare. to some extent "legal" immigrants are more of a danger to this country then illegals imho, while illegal immigrants should leave this country, the "legal" ones should too.

[Winehole23]

Sluggish economic conditions have dampened and will continue to dampen illegal immigration in the short term. Even still, deportations have reached record highs under Obama. Hard to imagine that changing regardless.

When growth recovers, however, legal immigration should be encouraged to get more young blood, ambition and -- as RG referred to upstream -- the right mix of necessary technical skills -- into the American tax base. Otherwise, we're pretty much fucked demographically. We can't carry the load so long as we rest content to nibble around the edges of public relief (LNGR's point, roughly.) We're not reproducing the technical base well enough, nor replacing our population fast enough.

IMHO, we need the immigration. If not now, very very soon. And probably on a very large scale.

The alternative, absent some heretofore unheard of technical breakthrough (or breakthroughs,) is setting our sights much lower than the lifestyle to which we have become accustomed.

[Wild Cobra]

Sluggish economic conditions have dampened and will continue to suppress illegal immigration in the short term. Even still, deportations have reached record highs under Obama. Hard to imagine that changing regardless.

When growth recovers, however, legal immigration should be encouraged to get more young blood, ambition and -- as RG referred to upstream -- the right mix of necessary technical skills -- into the American tax base. Otherwise, we're pretty much fucked demographically. We can't carry the load so long as we rest content to nibble around the edges of public relief. We're not reproducing the technical base well enough, nor replacing our population fast enough.

IMHO, we need the immigration. If not now, very very soon. And probably on a very large scale.
Yes, but we need more jobs for the added workforce as well.

[Winehole23]

Fuck Americans if we can't compete with hungry foreigners. If we're not hungry enough, persistent enough and hard working enough, fuck us. We deserve to lose.

[Wild Cobra]

Fuck Americans if we can't compete with hungry foreigners. If we're not hungry enough, persistent enough and hard working enough, fuck us. We deserve to lose.
LOL...

OK, I'm with you under one condition.

We trade one lazy ass person on long term welfare, who use it as a way of life, and is able bodied, for each immigrant hungry for work.

[Winehole23]

There's not enough able-bodied lifer deadbeats on the dole to trade for all the immigrants we'll need.

[Winehole23]

And anyway, wouldn't it be much easier just to shoot socially worthless indigents?

[Wild Cobra]

There's not enough able-bodied lifer deadbeats on the dole to trade for all the immigrants we'll need.
Good...

We will be down to zero.

Maybe 1 a to 3 exchange?

1 to 10? What would the proper ratio be?

[Wild Cobra]

And anyway, wouldn't it be much easier just to shoot socially worthless indigents?
Easier, yes. Right, no.

[Winehole23]

Then why shoot hungry, ambitious immigrants at the border? It couldn't be much less wrong morally than slaughtering shiftless Americans on relief

[m>s]

the world's population now totals 7 billion imho at least 6 billion of them would want to live in america instead of the pisshole where they were born and raised, they're all "hungry" foreigners and would've worked much harder/better then americans do if given the equal chances. if you were lucky enough to be american-born, i say cherish it and don't fuck it up.

america was rural as fuck in the early ages, when european explorers arrived and started to make changes. there was a time when the rural america needed immigrants but that time is long gone imho

[Wild Cobra]

Then why shoot hungry, ambitious immigrants at the border? It couldn't be much less wrong morally than slaughtering shiftless Americans on relief
Because from a defense standpoint, it is an invasion. As long as we allow it, it will continue. We need some deterrent, and nothing to date has worked.

Have you seen the numbers of legal immigration we already allow? If you think we need more immigration, than advocate increasing that number, please. Help put a stop to illegal immigration by sympathizing with them. If we sympathize with the whole world's people in need, we may as well allow 500 million a year in illegal immigration.

When is enough, enough?

[m>s]

the problems we're suffering today are mostly caused by the overload of immigrants not the lack of them imho

[Wild Cobra]

the world's population now totals 7 billion imho at least 6 billion of them would want to live in america instead of the pisshole where they were born and raised, they're all "hungry" foreigners and would've worked much harder/better then americans do if given the equal chances. if you were lucky enough to be american-born, i say cherish it and don't fuck it up.

america was rural as fuck in the early ages, when european explorers arrived and started to make changes. there was a time when the rural america needed immigrants but that time is long gone imho
Now here is one of your few posts I agree with.

Now we don't need more immigration, except to remind others what people see in our nation. I also believe we can add to our population if we can restore jobs here. I still don't see politicians addressing the root problems, to restore jobs.

[m>s]

Because from a defense standpoint, it is an invasion. As long as we allow it, it will continue. We need some deterrent, and nothing to date has worked.

Have you seen the numbers of legal immigration we already allow? If you think we need more immigration, than advocate increasing that number, please. Help put a stop to illegal immigration by sympathizing with them. If we sympathize with the whole world's people in need, we may as well allow 500 million a year in illegal immigration.

When is enough, enough?
which just rebuts your own false statements you made earlier this morning imho

[Wild Cobra]

the problems we're suffering today are mostly caused by the overload of immigrants not the lack of them imho
No, they are not a problem. Our own lazy ass citizens are.

[m>s]

Now here is one of your few posts I agree with.

Now we don't need more immigration, except to remind others what people see in our nation. I also believe we can add to our population if we can restore jobs here. I still don't see politicians addressing the root problems, to restore jobs.
if you are american-born then its your god-given right to enjoy your life here, don't say its unfair to them "hungry" foreigners there ain't no true justice in the world tbh

[Wild Cobra]

if you are american-born then its your god-given right to enjoy your life here, don't say its unfair to them "hungry" foreigners there ain't no true justice in the world tbh
I don't think you understand the "melting pot" concept. Do you?

[m>s]

No, they are not a problem. Our own lazy ass citizens are.
young lads just want to maintain the standard of life that their parents used to have, that ain't no luxury imho. immigrants are more preferable in today's workforce because they don't complain about low wages/over-time working, and thats why there're so many young lads coming out of school with degrees but unemployed

globalization caused the whole shit imho, fuck them globalists

[Wild Cobra]

young lads just want to maintain the standard of life that their parents used to have, that ain't no luxury imho. immigrants are more preferable in today's workforce because they don't complain about low wages/over-time working, and thats why there're so many young lads coming out of school with degrees but unemployed

globalization caused the whole shit imho, fuck them globalists
So...

You are another, who instead of attacking the root problem, attacks a symptom.

[mavs>spurs]

fuck them globalists

stop repeating stuff you heard me say brah, when I say globalists I don't mean people who propose a global economy. globalists = new world order, 1 world government advocates, etc..