Would you flip TP for Pau Gasol?

[ElNono]

After the "Basketball reasons" trade was shot down by the commish, I figured guys like Odom and Gasol would turn emo and request to walk. I actually thought Gasol would be first to request a trade. It turned out to be Odom, but I digress.

Now, I still think Gasol probably had his feelings hurt and the Lakeshow really look desperate to improve the PG spot (as seen in that trade scenario, where they were basically willing to dismantle their frontcourt for CP3).

TP + Dice for Pau works salary-wise. Do you think it would be a wise move?

Pau is certainly one of the best PF in the game right now (a position where the Spurs are sorely lacking), and while he's in the wrong side of 30, he's certainly in his prime.

On the other hand, the Spurs would be losing a great PG in Tony, including the instant offense and corporate knowledge. The Spurs would still need to find another PG (I don't think running Manu/TJ Ford to the ground would be an option), but there's some amenstied alternatives out there (Billups, Baron Davis).

It would be a bold move, much like people have been talking about the last few days. Thoughts?

[Giuseppe]

TP + Dice for Pau works salary-wise. Do you think it would be a wise move??

tee, hee.

[ElNono]

tee, hee.

Lakerfan opinion welcome too... :wakeup

[Giuseppe]

^I think you're so full of shit your eyes are turnin' brown.

[ElNono]

^Why? You were talking a few days ago about Pau's depends

[Gregzilla]

I would prefer Bynum or his little brother Marc...BUT i've been posting all day we need a big so if that were on the table then yes i would...screw it. Even it it fails I would be a lot happier knowing we TRIED doing something than just sitting with our current roster

..the interesting thing is LA wants a PG very badly but NO WAY IN HELL our FO makes a deal with them lol

[ElNono]

I would prefer Bynum

I would not... we already have damaged knees in TD, plus the shit Bynum been talking about over the summer ("I want a team for myself") probably wouldn't work well with the Spurs.

[mystargtr34]

Yes.

Before trading Hill I would have done it in a heart beat, without Hill I would still do it but I would have to think about it for about 5 seconds. Point being I think Manu can take over the majority of play making and I also think the combination Neal and TJ Ford can handle the rest of the 'PG' minutes. I think the hole at C/PF is greater than the potential hole Parkers exit would create.

Plus I think Pau is the better player.

[mystargtr34]

Yes.

Before trading Hill I would have done it in a heart beat, without Hill I would still do it but I would have to think about it for about 5 seconds. Point being I think Manu can take over the majority of play making and I also think the combination Neal and TJ Ford can handle the rest of the 'PG' minutes. I think the hole at C/PF is greater than the potential hole Parkers exit would create.

Plus I think Pau is the better player.

[Mark in Austin]

Absolutely. But LA never makes that trade.

[Ice009]

Absolutely. But LA never makes that trade.

What if LA could flip Bynum for Howard? TP, Kobe and Howard, not a bad big 3. Use the trade exception to get Millsap and you got Howard, Millsap, Metta, Kobe, TP starting 5.

[Russo21]

I'd do that trade without hesitation. No offence to tony but descent point guards are everywhere, this is the age of the point guard, they are everywhere and tony barely qualifies for the top 10 anymore. Good big men on the other hand are extremely hard to find. Of course i'd be in for that deal. But LA would be totally spaz to do it.

[Ice009]

TP is also a fairly cheap PG relative to his skills. I doubt LA can get a better PG for the same amount of money, unless they get Billups that is.

[DJ Mbenga]

this would be rape in every single way for the spurs. they'd have the twin towers again.

[AFBlue]

In a heartbeat. Of course it would put a ton of pressure on TJ, Manu and Neal to pick up the distributor responsibilities, but Pau is the most skilled all around big man in the game and is underrated defensively.

[timvp]

Yeah, I would. The first rule of trading is you always trade a similarly talented small for a similarly talented big.

That said, it'd mostly be a lateral move for the upcoming season. As good as TD and Pau would be together, not having a point guard would negate a lot of their effectiveness. Asking Manu to run point in this condensed season would be homicide.

It would make the team better able to win a championship in 2012-13, though.

[Ice009]

Yeah, I would. The first rule of trading is you always trade a similarly talented small for a similarly talented big.

That said, it'd mostly be a lateral move for the upcoming season. As good as TD and Pau would be together, not having a point guard would negate a lot of their effectiveness. Asking Manu to run point in this condensed season would be homicide.

It would make the team better able to win a championship in 2012-13, though.

That's when you get on the phone to Billups real quick.

[ElNono]

this would be rape in every single way for the spurs. they'd have the twin towers again.

Well, not so fast. I mean, the Lakers would get some saving both on TP's contract (smaller than Gasol) and Dice's contract if he retires. That's some cap room to go for Howard.

[ElNono]

Absolutely. But LA never makes that trade.

Why not? They were shipping Gasol to the Rockets... I don't know it would be that different if he would be heading to the Spurs. They already shredded Odom's contract and they would be picking up the top PG they're looking for.

[Sean Cagney]

this would be rape in every single way for the spurs. they'd have the twin towers again.

Yeah but it would make them wish they kept Hill, they would have no PG at all lol.

[baseline bum]

In a second.

[AFBlue]

Yeah but it would make them wish they kept Hill, they would have no PG at all lol.

No PGs, but still a couple facilitators. High-low action with Gasol and Duncan (both adept passers) and pick 'n roll through Manu/Neal are just a couple options. Still there would be some massive retooling since the offense was run heavily through Tony and the pick 'n roll the last couple years.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

I would prefer Bynum or his little brother Marc...BUT i've been posting all day we need a big so if that were on the table then yes i would...screw it. Even it it fails I would be a lot happier knowing we TRIED doing something than just sitting with our current roster

..the interesting thing is LA wants a PG very badly but NO WAY IN HELL our FO makes a deal with them lol
ya sure? LA just pretty much gifted the 6th MOY to the team that completely embarrassed them in the PO.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Yeah but it would make them wish they kept Hill, they would have no PG at all lol.
Could attempt to pickup Billups. Mans still pretty leathal from behind the arc.

[Drewlius]

Would do this swap without even blinking.

[024]

this is like would you trade manu for dwade?

[MmP]

George Hill comes to mind right now..

Of course I'd do it, although it would really hurts seeing TP go.

Gasol+Manu is a crazy combination! :wow

[ElNono]

this is like would you trade manu for dwade?

Not really. But ok.

[beirmeistr]

Pau would be a fan favorite in San Antonio. Yes it would ne a good trade.

[BadOne]

I would, but I don't think L.A. makes this trade at all. Kobe is already upset about the Lamar trade. Despite whatever admiration he might have for Tony, losing Pau would simply piss him off. I don't see L.A. making this guy disgruntled again. I think business-wise they both know that they're stuck with one another, but if the Laker FO wants Kobe to continue to give his all and help the team compete for a championship, no way they make him any more upset than he already is. [just my opinion]

Likewise, I agree with the fact that losing George Hill hurts the prospect of losing TP even more. We're all pipedreaming at this point about roster upgrades [I'm guilty of that too], but I will be EXTREMELY surprised if we make any significant change ups.

Hell, if I'm gonna pipe-dream, I'll dream that DeJuan Blair falls asleep tonight, and wakes up 5 inches taller and fully regenerated ACLs in both knees. :hat

[AFBlue]

I would, but I don't think L.A. makes this trade at all. Kobe is already upset about the Lamar trade. Despite whatever admiration he might have for Tony, losing Pau would simply piss him off. I don't see L.A. making this guy disgruntled again. I think business-wise they both know that they're stuck with one another, but if the Laker FO wants Kobe to continue to give his all and help the team compete for a championship, no way they make him any more upset than he already is. [just my opinion]

Likewise, I agree with the fact that losing George Hill hurts the prospect of losing TP even more. We're all pipedreaming at this point about roster upgrades [I'm guilty of that too], but I will be EXTREMELY surprised if we make any significant change ups.

Hell, if I'm gonna pipe-dream, I'll dream that DeJuan Blair falls asleep tonight, and wakes up 5 inches taller and fully regenerated ACLs in both knees. :hat

If the Lakers made a corresponding move to net Howard, I don't see how Kobe could be upset. But like you said I don't see the Spurs making a "disruptive" move when it would clearly negate their advantage in this shortened season of having to integrate few new players.

[roycrikside]

Gasol for TP? Every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[slick'81]

sure if we had another pg besides ford

[BadOne]

If the Lakers made a corresponding move to net Howard, I don't see how Kobe could be upset. But like you said I don't see the Spurs making a "disruptive" move when it would clearly negate their advantage in this shortened season of having to integrate few new players.

Well, I see what you mean, however that's trading a great big for a great big. Worst case scenario, they break even talent-wise there.

Still hoping that Pop and RC shock the hell outta us all, but history still tells us otherwise. :(

[Duncan2177]

sure if we had another pg besides ford

Manu can play pg.

[AFBlue]

Well, I see what you mean, however that's trading a great big for a great big. Worst case scenario, they break even talent-wise there.

Still hopinh that Pop and RC shock the hell outta us all, but history still tells us otherwise. :(

But you add TP to the mix with Howardvad Kobe...again, can't see him complaining.

I actually don't hope the FO makes a big move, because I think they've got a shot in this shortened season. It will require the big three to stay healthy, TP to man up and become the leader of this team, and contributions from a few key players (Neal, Anderson, Blair and Splitter).

[rascal]

Yes.

Before trading Hill I would have done it in a heart beat, without Hill I would still do it but I would have to think about it for about 5 seconds. Point being I think Manu can take over the majority of play making and I also think the combination Neal and TJ Ford can handle the rest of the 'PG' minutes. I think the hole at C/PF is greater than the potential hole Parkers exit would create.

Plus I think Pau is the better player.

Manu is not a pg. Asking Manu to play primary pg at his age would be a big failure.

[rascal]

Parker will never be traded as long as Pop is with the Spurs.

[rascal]

Manu cannot even log starters minutes at sg without wearing down and people here think he can play a more demanding position pg.

[AFBlue]

Parker will never be traded as long as Pop is with the Spurs.

Don't think its as cut and dry as you suggest. If the Spurs struggle this year and Tony doesn't step up, I could definitely see him being traded for a player and/or a pick in the 2012 draft.

[spursince#99]

Can't we just go ahead & sign Khris Humphries & get this over with already

[rascal]

Don't think its as cut and dry as you suggest. If the Spurs struggle this year and Tony doesn't step up, I could definitely see him being traded for a player and/or a pick in the 2012 draft.

I stand by what I wrote. Pull this up when he gets traded.

[AFBlue]

I stand by what I wrote. Pull this up when he gets traded.

Saved.

[cdcast]

The Spurs are gonna have a bunch of B2Bs and even two B2B2Bs, Pop's gonna rest Tim and Manu a few game this season, leaving TJ as your main PG. Even when Manu plays, TJ would have to play major minutes. That was not the Spurs intent when they signed him.

Joseph's probably spending most of his time in Austin this season and Neal's a better SG than a PG. Billups wants a team he can coattail to a ring, that's why the Heat and Lakers have been mentioned when his name comes up. I doubt he would come here even if with Gasol here.

No doubt, having Gasol would be huge but you take care of one weakness and create another one at PG....unless the Spurs can package Blair and another player for a decent PG.

[angelbelow]

Pau isnt offended or butthurt, hes scared. As long as LA holds on to him he'll be forever grateful - even if they bitch him around and offer him in a bunch of deals.

But.. yea I would trade TP for Gasol straight up.

[Brazil]

If you trade TP, it would be for rebuilding beginning with young guys, first rounders... Trading for Pau wouldn't give spurs a good chance at championship, so I wouldn't do that.

[Mel_13]

After the "Basketball reasons" trade was shot down by the commish, I figured guys like Odom and Gasol would turn emo and request to walk. I actually thought Gasol would be first to request a trade. It turned out to be Odom, but I digress.

Now, I still think Gasol probably had his feelings hurt and the Lakeshow really look desperate to improve the PG spot (as seen in that trade scenario, where they were basically willing to dismantle their frontcourt for CP3).

TP + Dice for Pau works salary-wise. Do you think it would be a wise move?

Pau is certainly one of the best PF in the game right now (a position where the Spurs are sorely lacking), and while he's in the wrong side of 30, he's certainly in his prime.

On the other hand, the Spurs would be losing a great PG in Tony, including the instant offense and corporate knowledge. The Spurs would still need to find another PG (I don't think running Manu/TJ Ford to the ground would be an option), but there's some amenstied alternatives out there (Billups, Baron Davis).

It would be a bold move, much like people have been talking about the last few days. Thoughts?

Given some of your work downstairs, I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling but I'll bite.

If Buss, Jr. offers up Gasol for Tony, then you take the deal before he changes his mind. In fact, if he's willing to do that you ask him if it's ok to expand the trade to include RJ and Artest.

[Josepatches_]

Surely I was one of the most critical here with TP...I was even banned...I wanted to trade him a lot of times
In the other hand Pau is from Spain like me....


But right now I wouldn't trade TP....it's too late......too late for us.....we are not going to win so why to trade someone who gives us a lot?

It's all about TD and there is nothing left in the tank....

If we could get Howard/LeBron/Griffin for TP it would be different but Pau....he is not the key to win another championship and we are not to rebuilt around him


But it would be nice to see TD and Pau playing together though

[Old School 44]

Yep, in a heart beat, but I still think the Lakers are holding out for bigger (Howard) and better (Paul or maybe even DWill). With the curious dumping of Odom, I will not be surprised at all if the Lakers land Howard some time this week. Then Howard's makeover to Shaq will be complete - Orlando, Superman, Hollywood. The self-proclaimed Most Dominant Ever will be pissed. :)

[Sportcamper]

Fisher has proven that a team does not need to have a good point guard to win Championships…Keep Pau (we like him & he has some more TV episodes to film)...Hopefully David Stern will reward the Lakers down the road for being such good sports about the Chris Paul deal…

[Dunc n Dave]

Some of you are forgetting that Gasol has a 15% trade kicker. His $19 million contract would actually become $21.85 million this year. Unless the Spurs plan on paying several million in luxury taxes, it's gonna take more than Parker and McDyess to the Lakers to keep the Spurs under the tax threshold in this deal.

[Seventyniner]

Some of you are forgetting that Gasol has a 15% trade kicker. His $19 million contract would actually become $21.85 million this year. Unless the Spurs plan on paying several million in luxury taxes, it's gonna take more than Parker and McDyess to the Lakers to keep the Spurs under the tax threshold in this deal.

TP + Dice is $17.72. 125% of that is $22.15M, so it's just barely enough to get Gasol. This would cost the Spurs $8.8M ($4.4M difference plus luxury tax). Amnestying RJ and signing Josh Howard could mitigate that.

[ElNono]

Given some of your work downstairs, I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling but I'll bite.

If Buss, Jr. offers up Gasol for Tony, then you take the deal before he changes his mind. In fact, if he's willing to do that you ask him if it's ok to expand the trade to include RJ and Artest.

I'm serious. Now I read last night that Gasol wants to stay in LA if possible, but I didn't know that when I started this thread.

Also, obviously, it can just be that teams don't want to talk to each other about putting a trade like this together. I'm just getting thoughts from people here.

[Mel_13]

I'm serious. Now I read last night that Gasol wants to stay in LA if possible, but I didn't know that when I started this thread.

Also, obviously, it can just be that teams don't want to talk to each other about putting a trade like this together. I'm just getting thoughts from people here.

Gotcha. I did give you a serious answer. Gasol for Tony is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.

Just thought you may have been poking at the "omg we can totally get Nene for the MLE crowd". Or their fellow travelers who would have traded Manu for Camby or Caron Butler long ago.

[ElNono]

Just thought you may have been poking at the "omg we can totally get Nene for the MLE crowd". Or their fellow travelers who would have traded Manu for Camby or Caron Butler long ago.

:lol

[Obstructed_View]

Gasol is a post player. With all their shooters, the Spurs are suddenly very dangerous with Gasol.

[Big Empty]

😂😂😂

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Rascal..pretty sure he killed himself after the Spurs won the title..

[Strategic]

Nice bump. Love Manu, but in 2011 trading him and Bonner for Gasol would have netted another title or two for the good
guys. Hind sights 20/20.

[tholdren]

Manu cannot even log starters minutes at sg without wearing down and people here think he can play a more demanding position pg.

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