View Full Version : RIP Christopher Hitchens
MaNuMaNiAc
12-16-2011, 10:47 PM
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/16/famed-atheist-christopher-hitchens-dead-at-62/?iref=allsearch
:depressed
This dude was one of my all time heroes. The world has lost a great person and a great mind
rascal
12-16-2011, 11:01 PM
Never heard of him.
Just read some on him
He seems clueless to me of what I have read on him now.
BanditHiro
12-16-2011, 11:07 PM
RIP
He's in Heaven now.
Tinystarz
12-16-2011, 11:16 PM
RIP
He's in Heaven now.
:lol
MannyIsGod
12-17-2011, 01:33 AM
A smarter man would have been able to communicate in a better way, IMO. I agreed with him in many things, but the way he handled himself regarding religion and the war on terror was so off putting I lost a lot of respect.
A smarter man would have been able to communicate in a better way, IMO. I agreed with him in many things, but the way he handled himself regarding religion and the war on terror was so off putting I lost a lot of respect.
I doubt he cared.
MaNuMaNiAc
12-17-2011, 06:54 AM
A smarter man would have been able to communicate in a better way, IMO. I agreed with him in many things, but the way he handled himself regarding religion and the war on terror was so off putting I lost a lot of respect.
:lol If there is one think you can't accuse Hitchens of is lack of communication skills. I think you just didn't like his message.
Wild Cobra
12-17-2011, 08:05 AM
wHY ALL THIS TROUBLE OVER AN ADMITTED ALCOHOLIC?
Koolaid_Man
12-17-2011, 08:34 AM
Incredible mind.
He was as stupid as he was intelligent...(I have my reasons for my view) but now tell me what did you find incredible about him?
redzero
12-17-2011, 09:09 AM
He was as stupid as he was intelligent...(I have my reasons for my view) but now tell me what did you find incredible about him?
I know Mr. "the Bible says to treat slaves nice" isn't calling anybody stupid.
Koolaid_Man
12-17-2011, 09:12 AM
I know Mr. "the Bible says to treat slaves nice" isn't calling anybody stupid.
what you talking bout Willis? :lol
redzero
12-17-2011, 09:28 AM
what you talking bout Willis? :lol
Glad you asked.
nope...I already called myself a hypocrite when it comes to sexy lesbo's.... the Bible advocates that slaves owners treat their slaves nice...it didn't say it was ok...you guys aren't smart enough to entrap me...if you were you wouldn't be afraid to do so already....
:lol What an idiot.
MannyIsGod
12-17-2011, 10:51 AM
:lol If there is one think you can't accuse Hitchens of is lack of communication skills. I think you just didn't like his message.
He was a horrible effective communicator. Thats why he pissed so many people off. An effective communicator can make his case even if people are against it. I agreed with him far more than I disagreed with him but that doesn't change that he came off as pompous and stubborn quite often.
His zealotry for being against religion was always vile and militant. If you think thats being a good communicator then I don't know what to tell you.
He was as stupid as he was intelligent...(I have my reasons for my view) but now tell me what did you find incredible about him?
You would have to read his writings, not just watch the interview clips on youtube.
He was a horrible effective communicator. Thats why he pissed so many people off. An effective communicator can make his case even if people are against it. I agreed with him far more than I disagreed with him but that doesn't change that he came off as pompous and stubborn quite often.
His zealotry for being against religion was always vile and militant. If you think thats being a good communicator then I don't know what to tell you.
He saw religion for what it is, and it's not a passive system. Certainly those who try to impose their beliefs upon society and make us conform to their superstitious ignorance aren't going to meet anyone half way.
Mr Hitchens had a position, he believed it and could not be bullshitted away from it.
He had a right to be militant about his stance. He wasn't on the attack. He didn't introduce an anti-god. He simply refused to accept that these snake oil salesmen aka evangelists and TV money grubbers were good people. He knew that religion is all about coaxing the mind into being submissive to piss poor reasoning, and dismissing our own inner "bullshit" warning system.
He felt we were at war with religion, and many of us are.
It's the elephant in the room, but he called it by name.
baseline bum
12-17-2011, 09:10 PM
He saw religion for what it is, and it's not a passive system. Certainly those who try to impose their beliefs upon society and make us conform to their superstitious ignorance aren't going to meet anyone half way.
Mr Hitchens had a position, he believed it and could not be bullshitted away from it.
He had a right to be militant about his stance. He wasn't on the attack. He didn't introduce an anti-god. He simply refused to accept that these snake oil salesmen aka evangelists and TV money grubbers were good people. He knew that religion is all about coaxing the mind into being submissive to piss poor reasoning, and dismissing our own inner "bullshit" warning system.
He felt we were at war with religion, and many of us are.
It's the elephant in the room, but he called it by name.
http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/2634771/2/stock-photo-2634771-hitting-a-nail-on-the-head.jpg
Any atheist who doesn't kiss religion's ass is a militant atheist.
GoodOdor
12-17-2011, 11:02 PM
Loved watching his debates. RIP.
http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/2634771/2/stock-photo-2634771-hitting-a-nail-on-the-head.jpg
Any atheist who doesn't kiss religion's ass is a militant atheist.
Of course, and the kicker here is that atheism isn't a competing religion as they claim. It's no more a religion than unemployment is a job.
monosylab1k
12-18-2011, 10:19 AM
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MannyIsGod
12-18-2011, 05:37 PM
He saw religion for what it is, and it's not a passive system. Certainly those who try to impose their beliefs upon society and make us conform to their superstitious ignorance aren't going to meet anyone half way.
Mr Hitchens had a position, he believed it and could not be bullshitted away from it.
He had a right to be militant about his stance. He wasn't on the attack. He didn't introduce an anti-god. He simply refused to accept that these snake oil salesmen aka evangelists and TV money grubbers were good people. He knew that religion is all about coaxing the mind into being submissive to piss poor reasoning, and dismissing our own inner "bullshit" warning system.
He felt we were at war with religion, and many of us are.
It's the elephant in the room, but he called it by name.
You missed the point completely. Its not about whether he was wrong or right. It was about the way he carried himself and his communication methods.
You missed the point completely. Its not about whether he was wrong or right. It was about the way he carried himself and his communication methods.
He carried himself fine. He doesn't (didn't) need to be aesthetically pleasing, nor did he need to kowtow to the age old "respect for religion" facade. He explained himself, the religious nuts bombarded him with false accusations and, over and over, showed they lack the ability to reason, and many like Lane Craig, to even think outside the common fallacious arguments.
I found him to be an incredibly effective communicator. He could have been a sweetheart, you wouldn't have heard of him.
The religious nutjobs don't mind saying Gays are an abomination, that certain natural disasters are acts of and angry god at a certain religion, to judge and attempt to control our lives. And this didn't just start, it's been going on for a hell of a long time.
Sorry, there's no words Hitchens could have said that's more vile than what's been done in the name of a make believe god or two.
GoodOdor
12-18-2011, 08:00 PM
He carried himself fine. He doesn't (didn't) need to be aesthetically pleasing, nor did he need to kowtow to the age old "respect for religion" facade. He explained himself, the religious nuts bombarded him with false accusations and, over and over, showed they lack the ability to reason, and many like Lane Craig, to even think outside the common fallacious arguments.
I found him to be an incredibly effective communicator. He could have been a sweetheart, you wouldn't have heard of him.
The religious nutjobs don't mind saying Gays are an abomination, that certain natural disasters are acts of and angry god at a certain religion, to judge and attempt to control our lives. And this didn't just start, it's been going on for a hell of a long time.
Sorry, there's no words Hitchens could have said that's more vile than what's been done in the name of a make believe god or two.
Very well put. Manny is simply one of those people that get butthurt when "atheists don't show respect:depressed:depressed:depressed" to religion.
MannyIsGod
12-18-2011, 08:17 PM
:lol I'm one of those people huh?
You guys are funny. I get that some of you hate religion to a huge degree, but theres a word in there that doesn't mean disagree. Hitchens embodied hate and anytime you speak with such vitriol it is never going to get your message across effectively to a large group of people. He'll appeal to some people, but thats about it.
I could sit here and talk about the evils of religion day and night but that doesn't mean I thought he did a good job communicating the shitty aspects of religion (while ignoring the benefits as well).
Whats really funny is that I had much more of an issue with his approach with the war on terror than religion (although they were entirely unrelated) but you guys went straight to the religion canard.
Well, first time for everything I guess because thats the first time I've ever been accused of somehow defending religion. :lol
MannyIsGod
12-18-2011, 08:21 PM
http://www.thenation.com/article/images-rearview-mirror
First paragraph says it all. Dude felt - and direct quote - "exhilaration" because we were going to be able to fight Muslims.
Defend that. I dare you.
GoodOdor
12-18-2011, 08:36 PM
:lol I'm one of those people huh?
You guys are funny. I get that some of you hate religion to a huge degree, but theres a word in there that doesn't mean disagree. Hitchens embodied hate and anytime you speak with such vitriol it is never going to get your message across effectively to a large group of people. He'll appeal to some people, but thats about it.
I could sit here and talk about the evils of religion day and night but that doesn't mean I thought he did a good job communicating the shitty aspects of religion (while ignoring the benefits as well).
Whats really funny is that I had much more of an issue with his approach with the war on terror than religion (although they were entirely unrelated) but you guys went straight to the religion canard.
Well, first time for everything I guess because thats the first time I've ever been accused of somehow defending religion. :lol
crofl benefits.
Hitchesn hated religion, that much is true - and in his arguments, he gave very good arguments why.
He was a humanitarian - always preached treating each other well, calling them "my brothers and sisters".
DUNCANownsKOBE
12-18-2011, 08:42 PM
lol benefits of religion
:lol I'm one of those people huh?
You guys are funny. I get that some of you hate religion to a huge degree, but theres a word in there that doesn't mean disagree. Hitchens embodied hate and anytime you speak with such vitriol it is never going to get your message across effectively to a large group of people. He'll appeal to some people, but thats about it.
Yet here we all are talking about him.
I could sit here and talk about the evils of religion day and night but that doesn't mean I thought he did a good job communicating the shitty aspects of religion (while ignoring the benefits as well).
That's the thing though, religion is a facade and the benefits of make believe are that you feel better because of a lie. In psychology they call that delusional, and it's not beneficial to be delusional. If pretending an invisible man exists and is watching your every move is beneficial, you have to then ask "to whom". Easy answer: to those who report to the invisible man.
There are simply no benefits for Adult Santa. Naughty, nice... you only find out Santa isn't real when you cannot warn others. Hey, but it's all in fun, right?
We have a right, and I believe a responsibility as humans, to seek the truth and adopt it as our standard.
So, regardless of the perceived "benefits" to religion, it's a sham plain and simple and should be regarded as such until such time as evidence exists to prove the existence of the central figure in that religion.
Whats really funny is that I had much more of an issue with his approach with the war on terror than religion (although they were entirely unrelated) but you guys went straight to the religion canard.
Hitchens is a noted athiest. That's how I have addressed this. Does he have other opinions? Sure, so does Osama Bin Laden, but we all always discuss him in terms of being a terrorist.
Well, first time for everything I guess because thats the first time I've ever been accused of somehow defending religion. :lolI haven't accused you of it. You said he was a poor communicator, but you got his message. That's an effective communicator.
baseline bum
12-18-2011, 09:36 PM
There are simply no benefits for Adult Santa. Naughty, nice... you only find out Santa isn't real when you cannot warn others. Hey, but it's all in fun, right?
^ LOL Santa Christ... though I disagree that a dead person could ever find anything out.
MannyIsGod
12-19-2011, 12:20 AM
crofl benefits.
Hitchesn hated religion, that much is true - and in his arguments, he gave very good arguments why.
He was a humanitarian - always preached treating each other well, calling them "my brothers and sisters".
Humanitarian! LOL!!!!
MannyIsGod
12-19-2011, 12:21 AM
There are definite benefits to religion. The fact that many of you can't acknowledge that shows just how objective you are on the subject.
mingus
12-19-2011, 12:40 AM
the very things that Hitchens talks about (i.e. humanitarianism) is a huge part of judeo-christian philosophy. i'll never forget the time i went to Africa to do social work with a bunch of people from all over the world and this group of athiest german kids all tuned out and did their own thing and did absolutely nothing for the whole month we were there. maybe had they believed that those who needed our help were created by and created from God and are our brothers and sisters, they'd have done something. they may have been delusional, as all you athiests like to say, but they'd have done something. and that's what is important.
GoodOdor
12-19-2011, 01:42 AM
the very things that Hitchens talks about (i.e. humanitarianism) is a huge part of judeo-christian philosophy. i'll never forget the time i went to Africa to do social work with a bunch of people from all over the world and this group of athiest german kids all tuned out and did their own thing and did absolutely nothing for the whole month we were there. maybe had they believed that those who needed our help were created by and created from God and are our brothers and sisters, they'd have done something. they may have been delusional, as all you athiests like to say, but they'd have done something. and that's what is important.
crofl going to Africa to do "social work". Did you have fun preaching the evils of condom use, tbh?
Warlord23
12-19-2011, 03:54 AM
the very things that Hitchens talks about (i.e. humanitarianism) is a huge part of judeo-christian philosophy. i'll never forget the time i went to Africa to do social work with a bunch of people from all over the world and this group of athiest german kids all tuned out and did their own thing and did absolutely nothing for the whole month we were there. maybe had they believed that those who needed our help were created by and created from God and are our brothers and sisters, they'd have done something. they may have been delusional, as all you athiests like to say, but they'd have done something. and that's what is important.
8/10 ... at least this troll is consistent.
@Manny, Hitchens called it like it is on every issue, even though I disagreed with his views on the Iraq war. As for the militant nature of Islam and the need to fight it, he backed his opinion up with facts. If you feel better pretending that all religions and Islam in particular are well-intended but misguided, you can continue deluding yourself - it doesn't change the facts.
MannyIsGod
12-19-2011, 05:31 AM
Oh, I'm pretending that all religions are well intended now? :lol
Jesus why do you guys need to make shit up? Speaking of facts, care to point to the place I ever said anything like that?
MannyIsGod
12-19-2011, 05:34 AM
LOL facts
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/01/hitchens200701
redzero
12-19-2011, 06:08 AM
LOL facts
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/01/hitchens200701
Now that is 100% factually accurate.
GoodOdor
12-19-2011, 08:33 AM
LOL facts
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/01/hitchens200701
Seems pretty accurate tbh. Does it make your asshole hurt because what he says isn't "politically correct"? :depressed:depressed:depressed
Manny just doesn't like his approach, whereas I felt his approach is why he's noted in the first place.
Blake
12-19-2011, 11:44 AM
the very things that Hitchens talks about (i.e. humanitarianism) is a huge part of judeo-christian philosophy. i'll never forget the time i went to Africa to do social work with a bunch of people from all over the world and this group of athiest german kids all tuned out and did their own thing and did absolutely nothing for the whole month we were there. maybe had they believed that those who needed our help were created by and created from God and are our brothers and sisters, they'd have done something. they may have been delusional, as all you athiests like to say, but they'd have done something. and that's what is important.
Surely insensitive atheists would never go on a humanitarian trip to begin with.
My guess is that they missed the militant bus and had to hitch a ride on the god bus.
DUNCANownsKOBE
12-19-2011, 11:54 AM
crofl going to Africa to do "social work". Did you have fun preaching the evils of condom use, tbh?
:lmao:lmao
DUNCANownsKOBE
12-19-2011, 11:57 AM
the very things that Hitchens talks about (i.e. humanitarianism) is a huge part of judeo-christian philosophy. i'll never forget the time i went to Africa to do social work with a bunch of people from all over the world and this group of athiest german kids all tuned out and did their own thing and did absolutely nothing for the whole month we were there. maybe had they believed that those who needed our help were created by and created from God and are our brothers and sisters, they'd have done something. they may have been delusional, as all you athiests like to say, but they'd have done something. and that's what is important.
lol needing a fictional god to tell you to be a good person
lol not being a good person on your own
mingus
12-19-2011, 01:50 PM
Surely insensitive atheists would never go on a humanitarian trip to begin with.
My guess is that they missed the militant bus and had to hitch a ride on the god bus.
where did i say that? as with everything i say about this topic, you put words in my mouth. this is why i hate arguing about this topic with people on this board. it's impossible to do so when the person you're arguing with puts words in your mouth.
mingus
12-19-2011, 01:53 PM
lol needing a fictional god to tell you to be a good person
lol not being a good person on your own
i'd like to no what you constitute as being a good person. it's probably not that impressive tbqh
lol graph boy
Blake
12-19-2011, 02:11 PM
where did i say that? as with everything i say about this topic, you put words in my mouth. this is why i hate arguing about this topic with people on this board. it's impossible to do so when the person you're arguing with puts words in your mouth.
We're arguing?
What are we arguing about?
MannyIsGod
12-19-2011, 03:16 PM
Seems pretty accurate tbh. Does it make your asshole hurt because what he says isn't "politically correct"? :depressed:depressed:depressed
Yes, the guy with the name MannyIsGod is really worried about being fair to religion and being politically correct. You should keep going. You're on a roll.
Robber
12-19-2011, 03:55 PM
RIP Christopher Hitchens
who the fuck was this asshole?
DUNCANownsKOBE
12-19-2011, 07:24 PM
i'd like to no what you constitute as being a good person. it's probably not that impressive tbqh
lol graph boy
:lmao still butthurt over a graph
was that graph cyber bullying you?
Drachen
12-19-2011, 07:41 PM
LOL MIG, only the dick cheney and rick perry of the athieism world could make you look like a moderate (or even sided with the religious).
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