Tim Duncan...

[theMUHMEshow]

What do you guys think about the way Duncan is playing?

Do you think it is because of the Pistons interior defense, or is he hurting?

The local Detroit radio shows are saying its Detroits D of course, and ESPN is sayin that we have the best interior Defense Ever.

However..I think he has to be hurting or something, these shots he is missing are a joke. These hook shots that he usually hits, unreal... he is 10/32 in Detroit so far...

What is the word down there...are we really in his head?

[Marklar MM]

What do you guys think about the way Duncan is playing?

Do you think it is because of the Pistons interior defense, or is he hurting?

The local Detroit radio shows are saying its Detroits D of course, and ESPN is sayin that we have the best interior Defense Ever.

However..I think he has to be hurting or something, these shots he is missing are a joke. These hook shots that he usually hits, unreal... he is 10/32 in Detroit so far...

What is the word down there...are we really in his head?


There is a stat that I don't know if you all saw on ABC the other day. Tim Duncan plays his worst games in Detroit, at least scoring wise. Something like 19 ppg throughout his career.

[tim_duncan_fan]

maybe somebody should give Duncan some Speed.

You gotta get energy from somewhere.

Duncan without speed :depressed duncan with speed :blah

just kidding

[theMUHMEshow]

There is a stat that I don't know if you all saw on ABC the other day. Tim Duncan plays his worst games in Detroit, at least scoring wise. Something like 19 ppg throughout his career.


I havent really followed this as much as I am sure you guys have...Do you guys think it has to do with Detroit, or Sheed.

Before the series started, I heard some lingering of Duncan has always played horrible against Sheed dating back to Wake and NC.

[dn0]

The truth is that Duncan is playing WNBA basketball.

[tim_duncan_fan]

not really. its more like high school girls varsity basketball

[samikeyp]

Before the series started, I heard some lingering of Duncan has always played horrible against Sheed dating back to Wake and NC.

In their last meeting in college, Duncan outscored him 24-5. In the NBA, however, Rasheed has played him well. When Duncan is aggressive, he is damn near unstoppable. When he is tentative...he thinks too much and holds the ball too long and gets frustrated way too easily.

[nkdlunch]

He's getting abused by the Wallaces, Dice. He's got no help from our centers and the refs are letting a LOT of contact. Basically, imagine u vs. 3 of your elementary(or are u in middle shool?) schoolmates. You'd get your ass kicked too. :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

not really. its more like high school girls varsity basketball
Freshman Girls basketball team.

[E20]

The Pistons play INCREDIBLE D. Does anybody know who the Pistons have for they're frontcourt? Rasheed Fucking Wallace and Ben Fucking Wallace! NOW if we hit outside shots and would have been more agressive to the basket then chances are the score wouldn't be like that and Duncan would have a much better game because of the other defenders having to worry about the perimeter shooters. No one in the league can score when there is not 2 but, 3 defenders on one man. And as far as I see it, Manu and Tony's slashing in the basket was invisible they only had layups on fastbreaks other than that they were completely shut off from inside the paint and unless Tony and Manu are on fire they're gonna have to create an inside game before they can create a outside game.

[tim_duncan_fan]

what really pissed me off was when he just sat on the bench and cried.I wouldn't even be making jokes about him if he had given a considerable effort but he just sat his ass down and cried.

[TNT21]

I think Detroit is playing good physical defense and we're looking to get bailed out by the refs. We need to get the ball moving again, enough of this one on one bullshit, let get it going!! C'mon now!!

[Extra Stout]

Duncan has been shut down without having to double-team him.

If somebody had been able to shut down Jordan without double-teaming, the Bulls would have lost by 30 too.

I can believe that Sheed does better against Duncan than anybody else does. But Ben Wallace and Antonio McDyess have been just as effective. Yes, Duncan is getting hammered in the paint. Usually he is effective in spite of that. In Games 3 and 4, he has been slow and mechanical, and has telegraphed his post moves. This makes him easy to defend one-on-one, and makes it easy for a double-teamer to know exactly when to sweep in and strip the ball or block the shot.

Right now the Pistons have psychologically raped Tim Duncan. He must pull himself out of it and regain his aggression or this series rapidly will look like a rerun of WCF 2001.

[weebo]

I think Rasheed gets too much credit for gaurding Duncan. No one guy can gaurd Duncan one on one. Its been Detroit's team defense that have kept Timmy in check so far. I woudn't necessarily call the Pistons interior defense the greatest of all time, but definately a good one. Detroit is doing something the Lakers did last year. Basically, pack the paint and force the Spurs to turn into a jump shooting team.

[Extra Stout]

Also, I've noticed that the Pistons have made a great adjustment on Duncan. Against Phoenix and in the first two games, when Duncan received a post pass, the passer would then run the baseline and take his defender with him, clearing out Duncan for an isolation on his man.

Detroit has adjusted to this. When Parker/Manu makes an entry pass and runs the baseline, Billups/Hamilton only follows him until he gets alongside or just behind Duncan's defender. This takes away the baseline from Duncan and forces him back towards the top of the key where another defender is waiting to strip the ball or contest the outlet pass.

When the Piston defender along the baseline stops, Parker/Manu is left wide open right underneath the basket. A quick backdoor pass from Timmy would result in a layup. Duncan hasn't adjusted to this in two games now.

[dn0]

duncan is playing in slow motion, sheed could go to the bench smoke a cigarrete , come back and tim would still be trying to post.

[ALVAREZ6]

duncan is playing in slow motion, sheed could go to the bench smoke a cigarrete , come back and tim would still be trying to post.
I agree.

He hesitates too much, and his drives to the basket are just terrible.

I hate when Duncan will drive to the middle of the lane, going horizontally across the court, and then tries to do a hook shot while leaning back to avoid being blocked...he does it every game. That shit needs to stop, we know it's not going in.

Also, his jumper and his famous bank shot has been terrible.

[Extra Stout]

No one guy can gaurd Duncan one on one. Funny, I've seen Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, and Antonio McDyess each defending him one-on-one with great success the last two games.

They shouldn't be able to guard him, even if the officials are letting them get away with murder on him. And yet, they've shut him down two games running without having to double-team until he dribbles into the paint.

Anybody who can explain why they've been successful, please call Pop's hotel room in Michigan.

[MadDog73]

I think Tim is trying to beat the Pistons one-on-one.

Spurs need to get to playing team ball. Everyone has to play their heart out.

Oh, and stop turning the ball over wouldn't hurt.

But my biggest disappointment in the last two games wasn't with the Spurs offense, as bad as it was. No, it was with the defense. Detroit only had 4 turnovers. I've seen Horry get 4 steals by himself in other games. Manu and Parker are also quick to get steals... but for whatever reason (controlled ball movement from Pistons?) we just haven't been able to get the steals or blocks that lead to fast break points on the other end.

As Detroit is proving, a good defense translates to good offense. The Spurs know this. I just hope we give Detroit at least a battle in Game 5....

[tlongII]

You guys are WAY OFF in your analysis. The last two games have not been about Duncan's ineffectiveness. The problem the Spurs have had has been TURNOVERS! Detroit has been pressuring them relentlessly once they cross half-court and causing San Antonio to cough it up. The difference in turnovers is what the deciding factor in these games have been.

[E20]

Once Tim's ankles are better he's gonna be like this;
http://www.nba.com/0001PGrabs/duncan_t_dunk_grab_051401.jpg

[E20]

Also Walton Buys off Me:

http://cache.nba.com/media/playoffs2002/duncan_walton.jpg

[BillsCarnage.]

Freshman Girls basketball team.

See the wet diaper thread.. :fro


Also, I've noticed that the Pistons have made a great adjustment on Duncan. Against Phoenix and in the first two games, when Duncan received a post pass, the passer would then run the baseline and take his defender with him, clearing out Duncan for an isolation on his man.

Detroit has adjusted to this. When Parker/Manu makes an entry pass and runs the baseline, Billups/Hamilton only follows him until he gets alongside or just behind Duncan's defender. This takes away the baseline from Duncan and forces him back towards the top of the key where another defender is waiting to strip the ball or contest the outlet pass.

When the Piston defender along the baseline stops, Parker/Manu is left wide open right underneath the basket. A quick backdoor pass from Timmy would result in a layup. Duncan hasn't adjusted to this in two games now.

Good analysis.. But to add to this, the Spurs are not hitting the outside shots like they have throughout the PO's. They are playing tentative and I'm surprised they didn't adjust better from Gm3. They just rolled over the second half and that's should be the most concerning problem. When a team gives up like that it's scarey. I still say the Spurs in 6, but if they play glazed in Gm5 you really have to wonder about their motivation.

[theMUHMEshow]

Duncan has been shut down without having to double-team him.

If somebody had been able to shut down Jordan without double-teaming, the Bulls would have lost by 30 too.

I can believe that Sheed does better against Duncan than anybody else does. But Ben Wallace and Antonio McDyess have been just as effective. Yes, Duncan is getting hammered in the paint. Usually he is effective in spite of that. In Games 3 and 4, he has been slow and mechanical, and has telegraphed his post moves. This makes him easy to defend one-on-one, and makes it easy for a double-teamer to know exactly when to sweep in and strip the ball or block the shot.

Right now the Pistons have psychologically raped Tim Duncan. He must pull himself out of it and regain his aggression or this series rapidly will look like a rerun of WCF 2001.


This is one of the most intelligent posts that I have ever read on a forum

[baseline bum]

My take is Duncan can't score on both Wallaces at the same time. Mohammed has no midrange shot, and thus Detroit doesn't even have to honor him outside of 8 feet or so. When Nazr is close to the basket it makes it easy for the Pistons to throw both Wallaces at Duncan. Horry can make them pay for that, and even Nesterovich is a better option IMO. At least Rasho can hit a 12 footer if he's open.

[S4Spur21]

IMO............ Tim needs to actually use his size. Im sick of these horrible fade aways, turn around j's, and hook shots that never seem to go in. I don't wanna start any bashing here, but I think he's not the king of the PF/C position like he use to be. Forget Shaq we all know he is, but I think to get back to that level he needs to play like KG, and Amare Stoudimeire (SP). Duncan looks like a weak ass out there........ it's true. He's having his worse playoff career FG% wise and PPG. It can't all be the ankles. I wonder how the Detroit D would stop a KG or AS.........

[HULKAROCK]

You guys are WAY OFF in your analysis. The last two games have not been about Duncan's ineffectiveness. The problem the Spurs have had has been TURNOVERS! Detroit has been pressuring them relentlessly once they cross half-court and causing San Antonio to cough it up. The difference in turnovers is what the deciding factor in these games have been.

Tlong's on track. Pistons had 4 turnovers last night opposed to Spurs 18.

[tim_duncan_fan]

s4spur you're right on the money. duncan should use his size to overpower ben wallace but duncan is too friendly and polite to just physically move somone out of his way

[tim_duncan_fan]

This sums it up: from the daily dime on espn.com


Tiny Tim
Tim Duncan's performance tonight was the quietest 16-point, 16 rebound game I've ever seen. He played as if he accepted the way he was being played tonight and that's unacceptable. He accepted being fronted, being played aggressively and double teamed by the Pistons' frontline.

Instead of just being dominated he should have taken an offensive foul to get better position, because that's what great players do. When the Spurs sit down and look at the film of this game, he has to be ashamed for not being more aggressive. He has to look at himself and say, I'm a superstar and can't allow myself to get shut down.

Duncan has been called the greatest power forward of all time by some, but I can't see Charles Barkley or Karl Malone accepting taking such physical punishment without dishing some out themselves. Duncan has to stop being so passive and get in the mix with the Pistons and stop getting pushed around and bullied.

[geerussell]

s4spur you're right on the money. duncan should use his size to overpower ben wallace but duncan is too friendly and polite to just physically move somone out of his way

Shaq might have been able to throw Ben Wallace around like a rag doll but TD is no Shaq. Wallace only gives up 20 lbs to Duncan and has the edge in strength.

Duncan can't just physically move ben wallace out of his way. He can however use his footwork and deadly assortment of post moves and glass shots to take his game over or around Ben.

[S4Spur21]

Well whatever he does he better step it up........ TP's shot is crap, and I dunno whats up with Manu.

[SPARKY]

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[ALVAREZ6]

I don't know what the fuck is so hard about foul shooting...How do you miss so many consecutive foul shots in one of the most important games???

Duncan ALWAYS does this though...He will miss his first of the many to come on the front rim. Next shot, he shoots, but hits the same exact spot...off of the front rim.
Next time he's fouled, misses yet ANOTHER on the front rim....then thinks to himself..."Gee, I've hit the front rim on my past 3 foul shots, I wonder if I should put just a little more on it....NAHH!" ....Shoots again...front rim again...

WAKE THE FUCK UP TIM, the rim isn't gonna move for you, you have to avoid it.

I could understand if he misses his second foul shot because he put too much on his shot, but he doesn't fucking change.