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There is a stat that I don't know if you all saw on ABC the other day. Tim Duncan plays his worst games in Detroit, at least scoring wise. Something like 19 ppg throughout his career.
What do you guys think about the way Duncan is playing?
Do you think it is because of the Pistons interior defense, or is he hurting?
The local Detroit radio shows are saying its Detroits D of course, and ESPN is sayin that we have the best interior Defense Ever.
However..I think he has to be hurting or something, these shots he is missing are a joke. These hook shots that he usually hits, unreal... he is 10/32 in Detroit so far...
What is the word down there...are we really in his head?
There is a stat that I don't know if you all saw on ABC the other day. Tim Duncan plays his worst games in Detroit, at least scoring wise. Something like 19 ppg throughout his career.
maybe somebody should give Duncan some Speed.
You gotta get energy from somewhere.
Duncan without speedduncan with speed
just kidding
I havent really followed this as much as I am sure you guys have...Do you guys think it has to do with Detroit, or Sheed.
Before the series started, I heard some lingering of Duncan has always played horrible against Sheed dating back to Wake and NC.
The truth is that Duncan is playing WNBA basketball.
not really. its more like high school girls varsity basketball
In their last meeting in college, Duncan outscored him 24-5. In the NBA, however, Rasheed has played him well. When Duncan is aggressive, he is damn near unstoppable. When he is tentative...he thinks too much and holds the ball too long and gets frustrated way too easily.Before the series started, I heard some lingering of Duncan has always played horrible against Sheed dating back to Wake and NC.
He's getting abused by the Wallaces, Dice. He's got no help from our centers and the refs are letting a LOT of contact. Basically, imagine u vs. 3 of your elementary(or are u in middle shool?) schoolmates. You'd get your ass kicked too.
Freshman Girls basketball team.
The Pistons play INCREDIBLE D. Does anybody know who the Pistons have for they're frontcourt? Rasheed ing Wallace and Ben ing Wallace! NOW if we hit outside shots and would have been more agressive to the basket then chances are the score wouldn't be like that and Duncan would have a much better game because of the other defenders having to worry about the perimeter shooters. No one in the league can score when there is not 2 but, 3 defenders on one man. And as far as I see it, Manu and Tony's slashing in the basket was invisible they only had layups on fastbreaks other than that they were completely shut off from inside the paint and unless Tony and Manu are on fire they're gonna have to create an inside game before they can create a outside game.
what really pissed me off was when he just sat on the bench and cried.I wouldn't even be making jokes about him if he had given a considerable effort but he just sat his ass down and cried.
I think Detroit is playing good physical defense and we're looking to get bailed out by the refs. We need to get the ball moving again, enough of this one on one bull , let get it going!! C'mon now!!
Duncan has been shut down without having to double-team him.
If somebody had been able to shut down Jordan without double-teaming, the Bulls would have lost by 30 too.
I can believe that Sheed does better against Duncan than anybody else does. But Ben Wallace and Antonio McDyess have been just as effective. Yes, Duncan is getting hammered in the paint. Usually he is effective in spite of that. In Games 3 and 4, he has been slow and mechanical, and has telegraphed his post moves. This makes him easy to defend one-on-one, and makes it easy for a double-teamer to know exactly when to sweep in and strip the ball or block the shot.
Right now the Pistons have psychologically raped Tim Duncan. He must pull himself out of it and regain his aggression or this series rapidly will look like a rerun of WCF 2001.
I think Rasheed gets too much credit for gaurding Duncan. No one guy can gaurd Duncan one on one. Its been Detroit's team defense that have kept Timmy in check so far. I woudn't necessarily call the Pistons interior defense the greatest of all time, but definately a good one. Detroit is doing something the Lakers did last year. Basically, pack the paint and force the Spurs to turn into a jump shooting team.
Also, I've noticed that the Pistons have made a great adjustment on Duncan. Against Phoenix and in the first two games, when Duncan received a post pass, the passer would then run the baseline and take his defender with him, clearing out Duncan for an isolation on his man.
Detroit has adjusted to this. When Parker/Manu makes an entry pass and runs the baseline, Billups/Hamilton only follows him until he gets alongside or just behind Duncan's defender. This takes away the baseline from Duncan and forces him back towards the top of the key where another defender is waiting to strip the ball or contest the outlet pass.
When the Piston defender along the baseline stops, Parker/Manu is left wide open right underneath the basket. A quick backdoor pass from Timmy would result in a layup. Duncan hasn't adjusted to this in two games now.
duncan is playing in slow motion, sheed could go to the bench smoke a cigarrete , come back and tim would still be trying to post.
I agree.
He hesitates too much, and his drives to the basket are just terrible.
I hate when Duncan will drive to the middle of the lane, going horizontally across the court, and then tries to do a hook shot while leaning back to avoid being blocked...he does it every game. That needs to stop, we know it's not going in.
Also, his jumper and his famous bank shot has been terrible.
Funny, I've seen Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, and Antonio McDyess each defending him one-on-one with great success the last two games.
They shouldn't be able to guard him, even if the officials are letting them get away with murder on him. And yet, they've shut him down two games running without having to double-team until he dribbles into the paint.
Anybody who can explain why they've been successful, please call Pop's hotel room in Michigan.
I think Tim is trying to beat the Pistons one-on-one.
Spurs need to get to playing team ball. Everyone has to play their heart out.
Oh, and stop turning the ball over wouldn't hurt.
But my biggest disappointment in the last two games wasn't with the Spurs offense, as bad as it was. No, it was with the defense. Detroit only had 4 turnovers. I've seen Horry get 4 steals by himself in other games. Manu and Parker are also quick to get steals... but for whatever reason (controlled ball movement from Pistons?) we just haven't been able to get the steals or blocks that lead to fast break points on the other end.
As Detroit is proving, a good defense translates to good offense. The Spurs know this. I just hope we give Detroit at least a battle in Game 5....
You guys are WAY OFF in your analysis. The last two games have not been about Duncan's ineffectiveness. The problem the Spurs have had has been TURNOVERS! Detroit has been pressuring them relentlessly once they cross half-court and causing San Antonio to cough it up. The difference in turnovers is what the deciding factor in these games have been.
Once Tim's ankles are better he's gonna be like this;
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Good analysis.. But to add to this, the Spurs are not hitting the outside shots like they have throughout the PO's. They are playing tentative and I'm surprised they didn't adjust better from Gm3. They just rolled over the second half and that's should be the most concerning problem. When a team gives up like that it's scarey. I still say the Spurs in 6, but if they play glazed in Gm5 you really have to wonder about their motivation.
This is one of the most intelligent posts that I have ever read on a forum
My take is Duncan can't score on both Wallaces at the same time. Mohammed has no midrange shot, and thus Detroit doesn't even have to honor him outside of 8 feet or so. When Nazr is close to the basket it makes it easy for the Pistons to throw both Wallaces at Duncan. Horry can make them pay for that, and even Nesterovich is a better option IMO. At least Rasho can hit a 12 footer if he's open.
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