Game Blog - 1/8/12: Spurs vs Thunder

[urunobili]

JA back to trash levels...

[024]

spurs getting their balls smashed in the paint

[Mal]

james anderson suck. Finley would be better

[MannyIsGod]

What ax to grind? I made an observation, provided you statistical evidence and you made the ludicrous argument that unless you can prove something conclusively, it's a moot point.

No one is saying that Tim hasn't been declining, but what does that have to do with you overreacting and saying "the wheels may indeed be off" because of a short sample size in games? Is it not too early to tell? Do you not need to get back to us in a couple months and then we can decide?

For those reasons, I thought your comment was funny.

You may need to look up the meaning of the word "may". Also, the sample size for Tim is not just this season but apparently you fail to understand that. Jag is right, its pointless to go in circles with you.

You win.

[ElNono]

Say who is old ? Duncan had only 20 minutes yesterday. RJ, TP are still in their prime. Rest is young.

So playing 5 in 7 against a young team that played 5 in 7 shouldn't be an excuse. Thanks, exactly my point.

[Arc]

we got ref'd horribly in this game, but we also played like ass... so whatevs

[Brazil]

co-signed

oh and trade manu too... he is a super star half of a season since 2007 and he won't be healthy to play the PO anyway

[MannyIsGod]

But can you conclusively prove that the wheels may indeed have fallen off?

:lmao

[jag]

TP is washed up guys... trade him for a big and give the keys of the truck to TJ

:lol CJ and TJ can run the show. Tony is done. See if the Heat will make a deal for Udonis Haslem so the Spurs can at least get equal value.

[angelbelow]

Well, some people here were saying how we're young and stuff

Do people also say we have talented young guns like Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Perkins, Ibaka? Cause its not really the same when you're best players are young and hunger and our best players are Duncan and Parker.

[DPG21920]

I know you sat there and thought hard about your retort. And the fact that this is all you came up with leads me to believe that you don't actually even buy into your own argument. Even though it's usually entertaining, I refuse to go in circles with you for the next 2 hours. If you actually think that Duncan and Parker are at similar points in their respective careers then I feel better about not having entered into a legitimate argument with you.

I never said that. Not even close. I said that TP looks like he's declined physically and the metrics early on show that trend. I was told I was an over-reactor even though I myself prefaced my statements that it's still early.

Then that same person said the wheels look to have completely fallen off of Tim the very next day. The wheels didn't look anywhere close to falling off last year for Tim and he statistically was very close to his typical production on both ends of the ball (looking at advanced metrics). So how in the same span of time that is too short to be alarmed about TP, be ok to make such a statement about Tim?

[ElNono]

oh and trade manu too... he is a super star half of a season since 2007 and he won't be healthy to play the PO anyway

:lol

[DPG21920]

:lmao

Is that funny?

[Mal]

So playing 5 in 7 against a young team that played 5 in 7 shouldn't be an excuse. Thanks, exactly my point.

I`d never said it was. Spurs look bad and tired, refs also are helping OKC. Before the game I thought Spurs had chance, cause they shouldnt be tired. Well, I was so wrong about that

[biskvito]

lol spurs

[jag]

But can you conclusively prove that the wheels may indeed have fallen off?

:lmao

[angelbelow]

So playing 5 in 7 against a young team that played 5 in 7 shouldn't be an excuse. Thanks, exactly my point.

Its not an excuse, its a fact. They have a talented team who also happens to be much younger when you're comparing the best players on each team.

[Mal]

Kawhi Leonard is going too be bad ass player

[ElNono]

Do people also say we have talented young guns like Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Perkins, Ibaka? Cause its not really the same when you're best players are young and hunger and our best players are Duncan and Parker.

But we have Danny Green! and Khawi! and Anderson looms! Splitter!

I agree with you though...

[lefty]

Trade the big 3

[angelbelow]

Another positive from this game, Neal can continue to play into game shape.

[DPG21920]

:lmao

I agree, that is very silly to say to someone. That unless you can conclusively prove your statements that it's pointless to make them.

[jag]

I never said that. Not even close. I said that TP looks like he's declined physically and the metrics early on show that trend. I was told I was an over-reactor even though I myself prefaced my statements that it's still early.

Then that same person said the wheels look to have completely fallen off of Tim the very next day. The wheels didn't look anywhere close to falling off last year for Tim and he statistically was very close to his typical production on both ends of the ball (looking at advanced metrics). So how in the same span of time that is too short to be alarmed about TP, be ok to make such a statement about Tim?

For real?

Because they're at different stages of their careers brah.

[ElNono]

Its not an excuse, its a fact. They have a talented team who also happens to be much younger when you're comparing the best players on each team.

You need to convince Mal, not me

[Mal]

Who the f is this Reggie Jackson ?

[angelbelow]

But we have Danny Green! and Khawi! and Anderson looms! Splitter!

I agree with you though...

That's true.. how did I forget about Danny Green??

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Ike sighting!

[dylankerouac]

Why is everyone in the second unit looking for their own shot. Where is the ball movement?

[ElNono]

lol Diogu is so done

[MannyIsGod]

For real?

Because they're at different stages of their careers brah.

Irrelevant. Tony Parker will one day be as old as Tim Duncan just like everyone else.

[Mal]

Wtf is Ike Diogu doing on NBA floor

[DPG21920]

For real?

Because they're at different stages of their careers brah.

Brah, regardless of whether or not they are at different stages in their career brah, Tim didn't look anywhere close to having "the wheels come completely off" last season. It's only 9 games into this season brah, too early too tell.

[angelbelow]

Lol wtf.. Diogu is going to get cut after that play.

[ace3g]

Ike has to go, can't let white guy from Kansas drive past you on the baseline from the 3 pt line

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Ike just go PWNed at both ends. :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

TBH Danny Green looks like he lost a step from last night.

[angelbelow]

Leonard looking better and better.

James Anderson should have intercepted that baseline pass..

[MannyIsGod]

Brah, regardless of whether or not they are at different stages in their career brah, Tim didn't look anywhere close to having "the wheels come completely off" last season. It's only 9 games into this season brah, too early too tell.

Disagree

[DPG21920]

Irrelevant. Tony Parker will one day be as old as Tim Duncan just like everyone else.

So because Tim is older than Tony, no one can say TP looks like he's declined physically even when the metrics show that trend to date?

Also, how can someone go from being no where close to the wheels falling off to "it looking like it has" just 9 games into the season?

[MannyIsGod]

JK let me check with Timvp about what Duncan looked like last year then I'll tell you what I think.

[DPG21920]

Disagree

Well, the advanced metrics don't so I think I'll go with them.

[MannyIsGod]

So because Tim is older than Tony, no one can say TP looks like he's declined physically even when the metrics show that trend to date?

Also, how can someone go from being no where close to the wheels falling off to "it looking like it has" just 9 games into the season?

You can say whatever you want.

[jag]

I agree, that is very silly to say to someone.

:lol Prove to me that the literal wheels have without a shadow of a doubt, literally fallen off.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, the advanced metrics don't so I think I'll go with them.

You do that.

[ElNono]

Diogu has the best tickets in the house

[ace3g]

Kawhi Leonard with first career double double (11 and 10 and counting)

[jag]

Brah, regardless of whether or not they are at different stages in their career brah, Tim didn't look anywhere close to having "the wheels come completely off" last season. It's only 9 games into this season brah, too early too tell.

You're right. I'm wrong

[DPG21920]

Thanks, Jag.

[Brazil]

:lol CJ and TJ can run the show. Tony is done. See if the Heat will make a deal for Udonis Haslem so the Spurs can at least get equal value.

why :lol ? this is exactly what I said same for manu

[DPG21920]

No one is saying trade TP.

[jag]

Well, the advanced metrics don't so I think I'll go with them.

:lol "advanced metrics"

[loveforthegame]

Love everything about Leonard.

[therealtruth]

No. Absolutely not. Tim's decline in FG% and Tony's are equally as bad and TP has looked every bit as bad as Tim. In fact, Tim has had more good games than TP. Whether or not Tim has been declining for several seasons doesn't take away from how TP looks and my observation that you tried to poke at even though I provided evidence to support my claims at this point in the season.

Player shape due to the lockout is irrelevant. Every player had the same lockout and abbreviated training camp and TP should be in better shape than most due to him playing overseas.

Saying the "wheels may have fallen off" with regards to Tim is every bit as overreacting as he claimed me to be when I made my observation of TP.

Tony's decline is almost proving that the Grizzlies series wasn't a fluke for him. The good thing is that his passing is better now but the Spurs don't need to be paying the money they are paying him for him to be mediocre.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Well, we get a day off before going to Milwaukee, good thing because we need it.

Horror schedule for next fortnight though - only 4 days off, 8 games in 13 days, 4 away, 3 b2bs. Ouch.

[Brazil]

Thanks, Jag.

oh and :lol @everybody trying to argue with dpg when he is certain to be right... you loose before even starting

[angelbelow]

Spurs affiliated people are everywhere.

[siraulo23]

double-double for leonard

13 and 10

[Mal]

Well, we get a day off before going to Milwaukee, good thing because we need it.

Horror schedule for next fortnight though - only 4 days off, 8 games in 13 days, 4 away, 3 b2bs. Ouch.

Holy shit. With only 3 big who can play on b2b, where one suck badly, Spurs are in deep shit.

[Brazil]

at least we look less ridiculous than the mavs against us

[MannyIsGod]

Well, the advanced metrics don't so I think I'll go with them.

FYI, Tim's PER has dropped off 34% in the past two years. Just an FYI. Do with that advanced metric what you will.

[DPG21920]

:lol "advanced metrics"

Jag, I know you aren't an idiot and only a partial troll. Please don't be obtuse. By all accounts how you want to look at it, Tim declined but by no means can you call it severe last year.

If you want to be a dummy like Koolaid man and site "13 & 9" without going into any deeper, fine, but please don't act like them about it.

[jag]

TP had the highest PER of his career... but the OTHER metrics show he's declining (physically?). Then he showed out Kobe-prime style this summer.

I can see where you'd arrive at your conclusions.

edit* fourth highest PER of career. Highest since 08-09

[ElNono]

TP only 4 points? wow... didn't even notice when I was watching the game... I guess I'm getting used to the disappearing act...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

No one is saying trade TP.

Really? ducks isn't, but a few people are. He's got to slow down soon (I agree with you on that), so depending on how we're going at the trade deadline, trading TP around the deadline or in the offseason might turn into a good idea. I think we have to do everything possible to help Timmy in his final season, but we also need to begin rebuilding ASAP.

Time we face the fact that Timmy will retire after this season and we need a full rebuild. We have the role players, now we need to find two potential star players... how we do that is in question, but trading Manu/TP can't be ruled out.

[DPG21920]

FYI, Tim's PER has dropped off 34% in the past two years. Just an FYI. Do with that advanced metric what you will.

:lol Timvp is going to school the shit out of you although it will really just be the same stuff I've said to you.

FYI, Tim's PER last year was still elite at 21.9. By now accounts can you call that "wheel's falling off" territory even if it's below his career PER of 24.8. To put that in context for you, last year was 14th in the league in PER. 14th. Wheels almost off brah. Ignore that if you must.

[Mal]

Really? ducks isn't, but a few people are. He's got to slow down soon (I agree with you on that), so depending on how we're going at the trade deadline, trading TP around the deadline or in the offseason might turn into a good idea. I think we have to do everything possible to help Timmy in his final season, but we also need to begin rebuilding ASAP.

Time we face the fact that Timmy will retire after this season and we need a full rebuild. We have the role players, now we need to find two potential star players... how we do that is in question, but trading Manu/TP can't be ruled out.

Any chance of getting Deron Williams on FA

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

BTW, people who mock advanced metrics are kidding themselves. They are an excellent tool.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The Polish Hammer is mashing the Bucks, and Nash is working on 15asts middle of the 3rd.

[DPG21920]

Tony's decline is almost proving that the Grizzlies series wasn't a fluke for him. The good thing is that his passing is better now but the Spurs don't need to be paying the money they are paying him for him to be mediocre.

I'm not saying he's declined. I was randomly scoffed for saying as of right now it appears that he might have, even though it's too early too tell. I was told that unless you can conclusively prove something, it's pointless to say it. I was also told that it was way too early too tell anything significant.

That person then said something significant, even though no time had passed.

[spurtech09]

Tony parker is still solid....by the way this is a b2b game....and no manu.....spurs will bounce back on track....

[MannyIsGod]

:lol Timvp is going to school the shit out of you although it will really just be the same stuff I've said to you.

FYI, Tim's PER last year was still elite at 21.9. By now accounts can you call that "wheel's falling off" territory even if it's below his career PER of 24.8. To put that in context for you, last year was 14th in the league in PER. 14th. Wheels almost off brah. Ignore that if you must.

Good thing I didn't say his wheels fell off last year. Perhaps if you looked up the word "trend" after you looked up the word "may" you would understand a bit more.

[DPG21920]

TP had the highest PER of his career... but the OTHER metrics show he's declining (physically?). Then he showed out Kobe-prime style this summer.

I can see where you'd arrive at your conclusions.

edit* fourth highest PER of career. Highest since 08-09

It's not just TP's PER. It's common for guards that are athletic to have their overall FG% drop drastically along with their ability to finish around the rim. Much like FG% and REB RATE indicate when a big man may be declining, TP's numbers at this stage correlate highly with someone who's declined athletically.

[jag]

Jag, I know you aren't an idiot and only a partial troll. Please don't be obtuse. By all accounts how you want to look at it, Tim declined but by no means can you call it severe last year.

If you want to be a dummy like Koolaid man and site "13 & 9" without going into any deeper, fine, but please don't act like them about it.


It's not just TP's PER. It's common for guards that are athletic to have their overall FG% drop drastically along with their ability to finish around the rim. Much like FG% and REB RATE indicate when a big man may be declining, TP's numbers at this stage correlate highly with someone who's declined athletically.


There's no reason why anyone with half a brain would start comparing the decline of TP and Duncan. There's no reason to even go into the discussion of the similarities of their respective "declines". From the difference in their ages, to the difference in the injuries they're sustained over their careers, to the difference in the positions they play, it's stupid to compare their "declines".

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not saying he's declined. I was randomly scoffed for saying as of right now it appears that he might have, even though it's too early too tell. I was told that unless you can conclusively prove something, it's pointless to say it. I was also told that it was way too early too tell anything significant.

That person then said something significant, even though no time had passed.

Now you're just lying. I guess thats the step you have to take when you're unable to just admit you are wrong. Feel free to provide a link to where anyone told you that it was pointless to say something.

[DPG21920]

Good thing I didn't say his wheels fell off last year. Perhaps if you looked up the word "trend" after you looked up the word "may" you would understand a bit more.

But you did say 9 games into the season that a guy who wasn't anywhere close to having the wheels fall off last year appears to have fallen off 9 games into the season after saying it's too early to tell anything significant like that just yesterday. That is why I laughed.

[WeNeedLength]

Well this thread appears to be hijacked...

[ElNono]

Let's talk about Ike Diougu...

[TDfan2007]

Also, the decline in Duncan this year is fairly dramatic, IMO. Even last year he looked far more capable than he has this year. The wheels may indeed be just about off.

Losing additional weight in the offseason was the final nail in the coffin on his post game imo, but he shows flashed every now and then (up and under against denver, and his spin move against Perkins today). I'm honestly surprised he scored as much as he did given that he's on the second night of a back to back and is playing against the best defensive frontline in the league.

But the wheels have definitely not fallen off, he just needs to find a rhythm with his new teammates and be more decisive on the block. Tim is still an elite defender, passer, and outside shooter. He just can't embarrass guys down low anymore. Give him about 10-15 more games before you write his obituary.

[MannyIsGod]

Well this thread appears to be hijacked...

Yes its tragic we're no longer live blogging the game in here after the game is over.

[ElNono]

I feel his fundamentals are there... but those wheels fell off a long time ago... I think we're all in agreement here...

[jag]

It's not just TP's PER. It's common for guards that are athletic to have their overall FG% drop drastically along with their ability to finish around the rim. Much like FG% and REB RATE indicate when a big man may be declining, TP's numbers at this stage correlate highly with someone who's declined athletically.

Do you have any idea how broad and generalizing this statement is? And how completely open to a million different interpretations this statement is?

[DPG21920]

There's no reason why anyone with half a brain would start comparing the decline of TP and Duncan. There's no reason to even go into the discussion of the similarities of their respective "declines". From the difference in their ages, to the difference in the injuries they're sustained over their careers, to the difference in the positions they play, it's stupid to compare their "declines".

I'm not comparing Tim's decline with TP's. I'm laughing that I was told, even when I provided evidence to my claims that you can't say things like that unless you can prove them conclusively and that either way, it's way too early to even say that stuff regardless of the situation.

[ElNono]

Do you guys think James Anderson is just nervous?

[jag]

Let's talk about Ike Diougu...

Dude looks like shit. I long for the days of Sean Marks.

[Mugen]

Let's talk about Ike Diougu...

he makes bonner look like prime admiral defensively, tbh FWIW....

[Brazil]

Really? ducks isn't, but a few people are. He's got to slow down soon (I agree with you on that), so depending on how we're going at the trade deadline, trading TP around the deadline or in the offseason might turn into a good idea. I think we have to do everything possible to help Timmy in his final season, but we also need to begin rebuilding ASAP.

Time we face the fact that Timmy will retire after this season and we need a full rebuild. We have the role players, now we need to find two potential star players... how we do that is in question, but trading Manu/TP can't be ruled out.

I was never against trading TP to improve the team but dude it's too late, we won't get star players for tp and manu anyway, trading them won't bring a 5th :lobt2: to SAS... in his final year I'm pretty sure Tim is happy to play with Tony and Manu... I mean they are together for 10 years.

If one preach to help tim to get another trophy then tim is the one we should try to trade for a contender


Personally I just prefer see these 3 together with a SAS jersey till the end

[Mal]

The Polish Hammer is mashing the Bucks, and Nash is working on 15asts middle of the 3rd.

Huge campain for Gortat in ASG going in Poland :) Will see what happend

[WeNeedLength]

Yes its tragic we're no longer live blogging the game in here after the game is over.

If it deserves 10s of responses, make your own thread. Seems obvious?

[TDfan2007]

But you did say 9 games into the season that a guy who wasn't anywhere close to having the wheels fall off last year appears to have fallen off 9 games into the season after saying it's too early to tell anything significant like that just yesterday. That is why I laughed.


Now you're just lying. I guess thats the step you have to take when you're unable to just admit you are wrong. Feel free to provide a link to where anyone told you that it was pointless to say something.

Fact: Tim looks worse this year than last year, especially on the low block and on the boards.

Fact: Tim hasn't even played 10 games this season

Fact: Statistically speaking, this is not a good sample size to compare to a previous 82-game season.

[jag]

I'm not comparing Tim's decline with TP's. I'm laughing that I was told, even when I provided evidence to my claims that you can't say things like that unless you can prove them conclusively and that either way, it's way too early to even say that stuff regardless of the situation.

If someone actually told you that verbatim, then you've been wronged and I'm sorry. But making a comment about Duncan's decline is what got you up in arms. And I think people should feel fairly justified in making comments about duncan's decline. It's an obvious thing

[DPG21920]

Now you're just lying. I guess thats the step you have to take when you're unable to just admit you are wrong. Feel free to provide a link to where anyone told you that it was pointless to say something.


Well its pointless to argue because neither of us can actually prove it conclusively one way or another. We'll see in a couple of months. If TP's play hasn't improved your case will be much stronger.

If players around TP continue to play well it should make his job much easier right now. Opposing teams are likely coming in and keying on him since they don't have Manu to worry about now and Tim isn't the force he once was so that may be a factor as well. There are alot of variables involved of course but right now its encouraging that he's managing to play well in the fourth, if nothing else.


As an aside I find this logic funny. We shouldn't argue (which we all do) unless you have conclusive evidence? It's funny.


I didn't say we shouldn't. I said its pointless. Most of the discussion on this board is pointless.

I guess its not pointless as in it holds some entertainment value but thats about it.

[DPG21920]

If it deserves 10s of responses, make your own thread. Seems obvious?

It's a basketball discussion carry over from what we observed from before and this game. Are we interrupting your ability to post "good shot neal"?

[jag]

If it deserves 10s of responses, make your own thread. Seems obvious?

Let's talk about the game, you and me, right here in this thread. Tell me how you feel about the Spurs performance tonight.

[TD 21]

Really? ducks isn't, but a few people are. He's got to slow down soon (I agree with you on that), so depending on how we're going at the trade deadline, trading TP around the deadline or in the offseason might turn into a good idea. I think we have to do everything possible to help Timmy in his final season, but we also need to begin rebuilding ASAP.

Time we face the fact that Timmy will retire after this season and we need a full rebuild. We have the role players, now we need to find two potential star players... how we do that is in question, but trading Manu/TP can't be ruled out.

When did this become a fact? He's given no such indication and if anything, it sounds as if he's leaning towards playing another season. It's as if the masses think they can make the decision for him.

They're not trading Ginobili and unless this season goes south to the point where they don't look like they're going to make the playoffs, they won't trade Parker, either. Since they've failed to acquire adequate help for Duncan up front, the least they can do for him is allow him to finish out his career playing with Ginobili and Parker.

[ElNono]

http://www.gifflix.com/files/4326f39cc6e2.gif

[WeNeedLength]

Let's talk about the game, you and me, right here in this thread. Tell me how you feel about the Spurs performance tonight.

LMAO you clearly got my point. Carry on. :lol

[DPG21920]

Do you have any idea how broad and generalizing this statement is? And how completely open to a million different interpretations this statement is?

Except I am speaking in general. I say in general when you look for signs of physical decline, you look at the things I mentioned. Again, I'm not saying TP is worse than Tim. I'm not comparing the difference or reasoning in the two. I'm simply saying that independent of Tim, TP's metrics to date show a decline and it's alarming, even if I know it's too early to tell. I'm aware you can make more conclusions on Tim quicker because of the progression, but that wasn't what I laughed at. I've already explained that.

[MannyIsGod]

If it deserves 10s of responses, make your own thread. Seems obvious?

Why when this one is doing just fine? GNSF telling someone to create more theads. Why am I not surprised?

[Brazil]

Since they've failed to acquire adequate help for Duncan up front, the least they can do for him is allow him to finish out his career playing with Ginobili and Parker.

yuuupppp

[MannyIsGod]

DPG apparently you don't read English very well. Is it your second language? I commend you for being multilingual. Its pointless to argue, however, does not mean the same as its pointless for you to say something.

Thanks for posing those posts though.

[jag]

LMAO you clearly got my point. Carry on. :lol

No, eff all that. I want to continue live blogging the game that is no longer taking place.

Now talk to me about the game damn it.

[DPG21920]

If someone actually told you that verbatim, then you've been wronged and I'm sorry. But making a comment about Duncan's decline is what got you up in arms. And I think people should feel fairly justified in making comments about duncan's decline. It's an obvious thing

I'm not fired up over a comment about Duncan's decline. I'm not an idiot homer. I understand the obvious truth. You have missed the point of why I was laughing in the first place.

[Josepatches_]

TP is being a big disappointment this season. I was sure that he was going to take a step to lead the team with an aging TD and Manu .Instead he's playing worse than ever.

Right now it seems there is no chance to rebuilt around him so I don't mind if we trade him next year.

But this season He's who has to lead the team.He's the youngest of the big3.He should be in his prime. We are done if Tony can't play again like he used to do.

[DPG21920]

DPG apparently you don't read English very well. Is it your second language? I commend you for being multilingual. Its pointless to argue, however, does not mean the same as its pointless for you to say something.

Thanks for posing those posts though.

:lol Ok. You can try and save face all you want for the sake of this argument, but it's pretty clear you got upset I said something about TP's apparent physical decline (again, even when I myself prefaced it with the fact it was too early to truly tell before you said it) and you told me that I don't have conclusive evidence so it was pointless to argue about.

You trying to play the semantics game is funny as well in addition to you saying the wheels might have fallen off 9 games into the season.

[Brazil]

Now talk to me about the game damn it.

Diogu has been pretty good tonight better than a traffic cone tbh

[jag]

I'm not fired up over a comment about Duncan's decline. I'm not an idiot homer. I understand the obvious truth. You have missed the point of why I was laughing in the first place.

I got what you were saying. But I think the issue of TP's "decline" is more contentious than that of Duncan's. So him making a comment about Duncan isn't comparable.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Trade Parker for a half-way respectable center.

Call up the Brit.

Start Corey, James, Kawhi, Splitter and Tim.

Live and die with James and Kawhi. Give them 35 minutes a game. Call plays for them. Redesign the offense to their strengths.

Either they'll grow or they won't.


Lose a shitload of games while growing James, Kawhi and Corey.

Retire Tim and Manu, hang the jerseys from the rafters.

Send Tony a pic of Bones fucking Eva Longoria.

Draft a fucking center in the lottery.


2012-2013 = Rebuilding: Year One.


Let's do it.


Go Spurs Go!

[jag]

Trade Parker for a half-way respectable center.

Call up the Brit.

Start Corey, James, Kawhi, Splitter and Tim.

Live and die with James and Kawhi. Give them 35 minutes a game. Call plays for them. Redesign the offense to their strengths.

Either they'll grow or they won't.


Lose a shitload of games while growing James, Kawhi and Corey.

Retire Tim and Manu, hang the jerseys from the rafters.

Send Tony a pic of Bones fucking Eva Longoria.

Draft a fucking center in the lottery.


2012-2013 = Rebuilding: Year One.


Let's do it.


Go Spurs Go!

:lol I thought for a moment you were serious about the first part of that.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol Ok. You can try and save face all you want for the sake of this argument, but it's pretty clear you got upset I said something about TP's apparent physical decline (again, even when I myself prefaced it with the fact it was too early to truly tell before you said it) and you told me that I don't have conclusive evidence so it was pointless to argue about.

You trying to play the semantics game is funny as well in addition to you saying the wheels might have fallen off 9 games into the season.

K.

I'll check with Timvp for my response now.

[DPG21920]

I got what you were saying. But I think the issue of TP's "decline" is more contentious than that of Duncan's. So him making a comment about Duncan isn't comparable.

Even after you read what he said to me :lol?

[DPG21920]

K.

I'll check with Timvp for my response now.

Sounds good. Can't wait to have you on my side again. Did you argue with me about RJ when he re-signed as well? I can't remember.

[MannyIsGod]

I got what you were saying. But I think the issue of TP's "decline" is more contentious than that of Duncan's. So him making a comment about Duncan isn't comparable.

Seems very simple but oh so hard to communicate. Its because DPG speaks English as a second language.

[DPG21920]

Ya, Bones tries hard to to mention TP during the broadcast which is hard to do when it's a Spurs game he's doing.

[jag]

Even after you read what he said to me :lol?

What he said to you was rude and insensitive, but sometimes you have to move on. Do it for you.

[DPG21920]

Seems very simple but oh so hard to communicate. Its because DPG speaks English as a second language.

:lol and I still understand basketball better than you.

[DPG21920]

What he said to you was rude and insensitive, but sometimes you have to move on. Do it for you.

Brah, I was laughing and you got all swole. We are well within our rights to scoff when scoffed for no reason. I rest my case.

I feel like Lebron. Just hated on for greatness when I'm really a good teammate.

[jag]

I got swole because WeNeedLength was riding me for not talking about Diogu.

[Ice009]

Alright we got hammered. The main guys that are the cause of it are Tony Parker and Tim. Both these guys need to play A LOT better on the road, especially scoring wise. They need to give us consistent offense.

Young guys historically don't play well on the road, so you can't expect them to carry the load and score as confidently as they do at home.

Also, games like this that are on the road is a good time to watch the young guys play and see who performs the best. Young players playing well on the road is a lot more impressive to me that when they have a big game at home. It takes mental toughness to perform well on the road, which is something you need in the playoffs if you're going to go anywhere. I think Kawhi was the best out of all the young guys and didn't seem to get rattled. He definitely stood out to me.

JA - I don't even know if this guy is a good shooter. Can anyone clarify? To me he seems like he might be a scorer that needs volume shots to get into a shooting rhythm, so I don't think he is a good shooter at all. Last season he looked a lot better on defense than this season so not sure what has happened there?

Danny Green - may have been a little tired as Pop rode him hard in the previous three homes games playing most of the 4th quarter in each one. Didn't expect him to play as good as he did at home on the road, but he was a non factor. The next few games are going to be important for Danny. We'll see what kind of player he is from how he bounces back from this game.

Another big (no pun intended) problem is that OKCs 4th of 5th big seems better than our second big and third bigs. Ike Diogu looks like total trash. I don't understand what kind of players Pop is looking for to bolster the depth on our front line.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol and I still understand basketball better than you.

Is Basketball played in English?

[jag]

Is Basketball played in English?

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

Sounds good. Can't wait to have you on my side again. Did you argue with me about RJ when he re-signed as well? I can't remember.

Don't remember what side you were on but I was on the side that signing RJ was the best they could do. I was pretty fucking wrong. I can admit it. I didn't mean to get you all butt hurt to this point, DPG. I hope you can recover soon. PM your address and I'll send you some flowers.

[tim_duncan_fan]

fixed


I just hate using the word "text" for picture messages.


I'm just literal like that.



By the way, I meant everything I've said.


We'll walk into the first round of playoffs and get creamed if we don't tank.

I HATE seeing Duncan like this. I'd much rather he retire. It almost hurts literally.


We'll want to draft early as soon as we can We should lotto next year. To not get into the lotto is to patronize Tim and Manu. They know what championship teams look like and we don't fit the bill and they know it.

This season is about checking out which if any of these young guys can grow into a James Harden-level player or better and that's all there is to it.

Matter of fact, make Tim and Manu into assistant coaches and lets see what these young'ns are made of.

We die now to come back stronger later.



It's time, guys.

[jag]

I was part of the camp that wanted to keep RJ. I wanted him dead after the Memphis series, but I didn't want him amnestied. I know he'll return to form and start playing like shit. And I know he can't be relied on. But he's a former all-star... and for some reason I think he's better than nothing. It's a dirty feeling

[DPG21920]

Calmer than you are.

[DPG21920]

You also got owned harder than possibly anyone on this forum ever with regards to coming at me with regards to soccer, Manny :lol . Now I understand why I grind your gears. You seem to have to admit you were wrong a lot to me.

[DPG21920]

Don't remember what side you were on but I was on the side that signing RJ was the best they could do. I was pretty fucking wrong. I can admit it. I didn't mean to get you all butt hurt to this point, DPG. I hope you can recover soon. PM your address and I'll send you some flowers.

:lmao Sure. You would be the only person not to remember that.

[MannyIsGod]

I guess I don't put as much stock into remembering everything said on ST as you DPG.

[TDfan2007]

:lmao Sure. You would be the only person not to remember that.

Look man, you've got good basketball takes, but right now you're acting like someone trying to relive their glory days on their high school debate team. Give it a rest.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

It's not just TP's PER. It's common for guards that are athletic to have their overall FG% drop drastically along with their ability to finish around the rim. Much like FG% and REB RATE indicate when a big man may be declining, TP's numbers at this stage correlate highly with someone who's declined athletically.

Not only the metrics, but actually watching TP play has me thinking that he's either tired from playing over summer, carrying an injury, or has started to decline... he looks like a shadow of himself out there.


I was never against trading TP to improve the team but dude it's too late, we won't get star players for tp and manu anyway, trading them won't bring a 5th :lobt2: to SAS... in his final year I'm pretty sure Tim is happy to play with Tony and Manu... I mean they are together for 10 years.

If one preach to help tim to get another trophy then tim is the one we should try to trade for a contender

Personally I just prefer see these 3 together with a SAS jersey till the end

Not true. I think we could still get some nice assets for Manu and TP either at the deadline or in the offseason.


When did this become a fact? He's given no such indication and if anything, it sounds as if he's leaning towards playing another season. It's as if the masses think they can make the decision for him.

They're not trading Ginobili and unless this season goes south to the point where they don't look like they're going to make the playoffs, they won't trade Parker, either. Since they've failed to acquire adequate help for Duncan up front, the least they can do for him is allow him to finish out his career playing with Ginobili and Parker.

I didn't say it was a "fact", but I think it's pretty likely given his declining ability, bad knees, and the fact that the Spurs clearly need to enter full rebuilding mode sooner rather than later.

Sadly, Tim is pretty much done as a force in the NBA. Sure, he can play on as long as he likes, and he might play for two more years on a 10m/yr contract like DRob did at the end, but we have to stop thinking of him as the cornerstone of the franchise because he can't carry the team any more. If he does stay, I hope he does the right thing and signs a cap-friendly contract in the understanding that we have to rebuild.

[DPG21920]

Look man, you've got good basketball takes, but right now you're acting like someone trying to relive their glory days on their high school debate team. Give it a rest.

Relax guy, It's not that serious.

[Cane]

TP is being a big disappointment this season. I was sure that he was going to take a step to lead the team with an aging TD and Manu .Instead he's playing worse than ever.

Right now it seems there is no chance to rebuilt around him so I don't mind if we trade him next year.

But this season He's who has to lead the team.He's the youngest of the big3.He should be in his prime. We are done if Tony can't play again like he used to do.

Its still early in a hectic season, but Tony has been a huge disappointment. And in this league loaded with length and athletic guards, his decline is very noticeable and significant.

At least he's getting assists without turning over the ball like crazy ala Grizz

[Brazil]

Not true. I think we could still get some nice assets for Manu and TP either at the deadline or in the offseason.




Nice assets won't transform us into contenders so my point remains.

[Dex]

Calmer than you are.

:lol