Hopefully Management Does The Right Thing and Blow This Team Up

[Jahivah]

Let's be real; the Spurs aren't winning anything. I say trade the likes of Duncan, Parker, Jefferson and Ginobli and build around the young guys. Pop's insistence trying to win it all every year has resulted in this team being old with little to no future. At this juncture it's best to get what we can for the relics and take it from there.

[Birn]

What an idiot...another classic Spurstalk poster that knows nothing about NBA basketball.

[4>0rings]

What an idiot...another classic Spurstalk poster that knows nothing about NBA basketball.

So you're saying we are in contention to win a championship this year?

[mexicanjunior]

Let's be real; the Spurs aren't winning anything. I say trade the likes of Duncan, Parker, Jefferson and Ginobli and build around the young guys. Pop's insistence trying to win it all every year has resulted in this team being old with little to no future. At this juncture it's best to get what we can for the relics and take it from there.

Would be nice but doesn't seem like it will happen...

[Jahivah]

What an idiot...another classic Spurstalk poster that knows nothing about NBA basketball.

Ah my poor boy. Alas your assertions are but the ramblings of a spoiled delinquent. Face reality matey. The quicker done the better. Please refer to this prophetic proclamation where I was chastised for merely stating fact.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173665

Sadly you my good sir are mistaken and confused. I understand that it is hard to accept that our team is but a middle of the pack pretender but this is the reality. Carry on with your useless insults. It does nothing to change reality.

[KaiRMD1]

Funny thing is Spurs ARE in rebuilding mode right now. It's so obvious.

[Proxy]

So what are the plans? Might as well ride this core out for some fucking loyalty at the least. We can rebuild after Timmy and Manu retire in silver and black. Then trade Parker and let the remaining contracts expire. Let the team run it's course and cross your fingers for a franchise HOF-tier player again.

Typical shit I expect after a loss.

[callo1]

Lol, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling"

These boards remind me of the movie Sybil sometimes:)

Edit: Fixed now

[mexicanjunior]

Lol, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling"

These boards remind me of the movie Cybil sometimes:)

Sky fell a long time ago for this team. This is just waiting for the rebuild at this point...

[Proxy]

Lol, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling"

These boards remind me of the movie Cybil sometimes:)

Sybil

[mike20spurs]

Spurs are still a top-tier team. You'd have to be a complete idiot if you said this team needed to be blown up. Washington needs to be blown up, not us. Even if they weren't good enough to win it all, it would be absolutely wrong to trade Timmy. He stuck with us so we have to stick with him. He could have left for Orlando ten years ago, but he stayed in a smaller market because it was the right thing to do. Anyone who says we should trade Timmy is just stupid.

I agree that we might already be in the rebuilding stage. Who says you have to get rid of all your players to rebuild. We have about 6 young, great looking players that will hopefully carry the load in the next few seasons. We can rebuild without losing.

[timtonymanu]

Whatever route the Spurs take, I hope Bonner is gone by the end of the season.

I've seen way too much of this guy more than I need to.

[TD 21]

I wouldn't blow the team up, but it's clear something needs to be done. It's the same something that needed to be done in the off season and really has needed to be done for years and that is this: they need to get Duncan proper help inside. If it's not going to be a guy who can take the load off in all aspects, then at least defensively.

This team just lost to an atrocious offensive team, despite scoring 103 points, on 60% shooting from the field, while out rebounding them by five. Why? Because they can't defend. They gave up 106 points, on 52% shooting and 64% from three. As of yesterday, the Spurs were 25th in defensive efficiency and you can bet that just went down. They're not only not improved defensively, they've managed to get worse, just like the past few seasons.

The bottom line is this: If they want to be a credible defensive team again, then they need a big, who's a plus defender, who can log around 30 mpg next to Duncan. It's that simple.

[callo1]

Another step forward for Leonard tonight, Timmy played a good game, RJ missed a few, but the stroke still looks great and his hustle and defense are getting better.

Hell yeah, blow it up!! :lol

[Russ]

The key is D. I thought the one hope this team had to compete was to get back (at least part way) to Spurs D.

With Leonard, Duncan (still) and Splitter, that looked like a good core to work from.

But it's just not happening.

I think MB needs to sit until the defense gets straightened out. The King of +/- is no more -- minus 13 for the game (the only player in double figures plus or minus).

[ehz33satx]

Let's be real; the Spurs aren't winning anything. I say trade the likes of Duncan, Parker, Jefferson and Ginobli and build around the young guys. Pop's insistence trying to win it all every year has resulted in this team being old with little to no future. At this juncture it's best to get what we can for the relics and take it from there.

So let me get this right, you are upset that Pop has the Spurs giving it their all year in and year out? Pop gunning for the Larry Obrien trophy every year has made you give up? Giving it your all every year to the tune of 4 NBA championships aint such a bad deal and I for one appreciate the quality of basketball the Spurs have presented their fans over the past 20 years straight, and counting. Especially from all the old guys!

[Jahivah]

So let me get this right, you are upset that Pop has the Spurs giving it their all year in and year out? Pop gunning for the Larry Obrien trophy every year has made you give up? Giving it your all every year to the tune of 4 NBA championships aint such a bad deal and I for one appreciate the quality of basketball the Spurs have presented their fans over the past 20 years straight, and counting. Especially from all the old guys!

I am grateful for all that POP and the guys have done. But much like Phil Jackson, Pop is not willing to just play through an NBA season anymore. He has earned that right, but attempting to field a Championship Caliber team every year has hurt the development of young players and the future of the team. In my opinion Pop got tunnel vision and only focused on one thing: Winning a Ring. All the while the future of the franchise was being sacrificed.

[callo1]

I am grateful for all that POP and the guys have done. But much like Phil Jackson, Pop is not willing to just play through an NBA season anymore. He has earned that right, but attempting to field a Championship Caliber team every year has hurt the development of young players and the future of the team. In my opinion Pop got tunnel vision and only focused on one thing: Winning a Ring. All the while the future of the franchise was being sacrificed.

And if Pop wasn't going after that title each year you would be alright with that? No "what the @@@#!$!$$ is Pop doing, Timmy only has a few years left and we need the gas pedal down so we can try and get another before the window is closed"?

Actually, you could argue that Pop quit going after championships the day he and RC signed Bonner:lol

[Ditty]

I pray that Bonner is somehow trades by the trade deadline, I've had enough of this fuck.

Lefty was right...Fire Pop, and trade Parker.

Unfortunately the spurs will replace him with that other dumbass shitty cuckold Bundenholzer.

[RodNIc91]

The bottom line is this: If they want to be a credible defensive team again, then they need a big, who's a plus defender, who can log around 30 mpg next to Duncan. It's that simple.

I feel you man. Who do you suggest?

[SenorSpur]

I wouldn't blow the team up, but it's clear something needs to be done. It's the same something that needed to be done in the off season and really has needed to be done for years and that is this: they need to get Duncan proper help inside. If it's not going to be a guy who can take the load off in all aspects, then at least defensively.

This team just lost to an atrocious offensive team, despite scoring 103 points, on 60% shooting from the field, while out rebounding them by five. Why? Because they can't defend. They gave up 106 points, on 52% shooting and 64% from three. As of yesterday, the Spurs were 25th in defensive efficiency and you can bet that just went down. They're not only not improved defensively, they've managed to get worse, just like the past few seasons.

The bottom line is this: If they want to be a credible defensive team again, then they need a big, who's a plus defender, who can log around 30 mpg next to Duncan. It's that simple.

This. This. And more this.:tu

[Jahivah]

Sixers gave up Speights for a bag of peanuts. Given that he plays little to no defense I can understand the lack of interest by the Spurs front office. But on the other hand neither do Blair or Bonner. Plus Speights has the prototypical PF/C body for the NBA.

[TD 21]

I feel you man. Who do you suggest?

Davis. It would take overwhelming/overpaying the Raptors for them to part with him. But as I said earlier, with Bargnani and A. Johnson going to another level, plus Valanciunas in the offing, I think they could be persuaded. The Spurs were supposedly high on him going into the '10 draft, so I wouldn't be surprised if they kick the tires. But it's probably going to take all three pieces. Maybe they could get a 2nd back, in addition to him.

I look at it this way though: Whoever they get, they'd be replacing Blair. Anderson, there's no room for in the rotation once they're healthy. And deep draft or not, they shouldn't let a non lottery pick stop them from getting a piece that they've needed for going on half a decade.

I'm tired of the excuses. They have the assets to do it now, they just need to stop overvaluing them. Right now, they're getting exactly what they deserve.

[callo1]

http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/pot-at-end-of-rainbow.JPG

Optimism after a Spurs win for some ST members.

[SenorSpur]

Davis. It would take overwhelming/overpaying the Raptors for them to part with him. But as I said earlier, with Bargnani and A. Johnson going to another level, plus Valanciunas in the offing, I think they could be persuaded. The Spurs were supposedly high on him going into the '10 draft, so I wouldn't be surprised if they kick the tires. But it's probably going to take all three pieces. Maybe they could get a 2nd back, in addition to him.

I look at it this way though: Whoever they get, they'd be replacing Blair. Anderson, there's no room for in the rotation once they're healthy. And deep draft or not, they shouldn't let a non lottery pick stop them from getting a piece that they've needed for going on half a decade.

I'm tired of the excuses. They have the assets to do it now, they just need to stop overvaluing them. Right now, they're getting exactly what they deserve.

Davis would be an excellent get. Don't know what it would take. I'd hate to lose Anderson, but Blair and a 1st would be wonderful.

[SequSpur]

http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/pot-at-end-of-rainbow.JPG

Optimism after a Spurs win for some ST members.

posting rainbow pictures is gay.

[jjktkk]

The bottom line is this: If they want to be a credible defensive team again, then they need a big, who's a plus defender, who can log around 30 mpg next to Duncan. It's that simple.

I'm snapping my fingers right now, but that big, who is a plus defender and can average 30 min. a game, hasn't appeared yet.

[jjktkk]

Davis. It would take overwhelming/overpaying the Raptors for them to part with him. But as I said earlier, with Bargnani and A. Johnson going to another level, plus Valanciunas in the offing, I think they could be persuaded. The Spurs were supposedly high on him going into the '10 draft, so I wouldn't be surprised if they kick the tires. But it's probably going to take all three pieces. Maybe they could get a 2nd back, in addition to him.

I look at it this way though: Whoever they get, they'd be replacing Blair. Anderson, there's no room for in the rotation once they're healthy. And deep draft or not, they shouldn't let a non lottery pick stop them from getting a piece that they've needed for going on half a decade.

I'm tired of the excuses. They have the assets to do it now, they just need to stop overvaluing them. Right now, they're getting exactly what they deserve.

Lol, assets.

[Mark in Austin]

Spurs just need to play .500 ball until their best player is back on the court. That's all you can ask of any team really.

[SenorSpur]

This is team is out-and-out horrible on the defensive interior. Manu's return will not change that. If they're not careful, they'll end up a fringe playoff team and on the verge of the Draft Lottery. Hey, that wouldn't be a bad thing!

[ElNono]

This is team is out-and-out horrible on the defensive interior. Manu's return will not change that. If they're not careful, they'll end up a fringe playoff team and on the verge of the Draft Lottery. Hey, that wouldn't be a bad thing!

Actually, it would... if you're hitting the lottery, might as well shoot for a high pick

[therealtruth]

I'm snapping my fingers right now, but that big, who is a plus defender and can average 30 min. a game, hasn't appeared yet.

The best option at this point is Splitter.

[Killakobe81]

I am grateful for all that POP and the guys have done. But much like Phil Jackson, Pop is not willing to just play through an NBA season anymore. He has earned that right, but attempting to field a Championship Caliber team every year has hurt the development of young players and the future of the team. In my opinion Pop got tunnel vision and only focused on one thing: Winning a Ring. All the while the future of the franchise was being sacrificed.

You are right we faced the same problem with the Lakers. But how can you blame Pop for focusing on rings?! You prefer like the Mavs you break up a championship core? Sure the Spurs havent won in 4 years but you can't blame the guy for trying to re-load instead of rebuilding. Duncan, Pop and Manu are running out of time why would they want to "rebuild"?

[xmas1997]

TD does have bad knees, but as long as we have a healthy Manu there is always a chance.

[xmas1997]

Plus if Pop will play Thomas IMHO he will turn out to be a pleasant surprise and a good signing.

[NASpurs]

TD does have bad knees, but as long as we have a healthy Manu there is always a chance.

Manu is not going to change the defensive short comings of this team.

[xmas1997]

No, but his heart and will to win will translate into a few victories. The man does not know how to lose.
I don't advocate blowing up this team as so many do. Rather, a few defensive tweaks here and there is all they need. I hope JA eventually comes around.
I still don't see this team making it into the playoffs this year and honestly I hope they get in the lottery rather than another first round exit, the worse their record the better their chances next year due to a higher lottery position and chance for another really good big.

[TDMVPDPOY]

pop shouldve been let go last year....

[GSH]

Tim can't anchor the middle anymore, there's no Bruce Bowen on the perimeter, and Pop is a one trick pony.

The Spurs were considered "boring" was because everybody knew exactly what was coming, but the Spurs could simply out-execute everyone else and grind them down. They didn't gamble on defense, because they didn't have to. They didn't fight for offensive boards, because they didn't have to - they just got back on defense. On offense, they kept jamming 4-down because they could.

The Spurs don't have the personnel to keep doing those things. And they aren't going to get the personnel unless they blow it up (at least one of the Big 3, maybe two). What does that leave?

[Rummpd]

The Bucks have often been a thorn in the Spurs side even during the best stretch of the mid last decade for the Spurs - yes Spurs have to improve but their current best player is sidelined and they after 10 games they are still in ok shape - too soon to make conclusions on this season.

[TD 21]

I'm snapping my fingers right now, but that big, who is a plus defender and can average 30 min. a game, hasn't appeared yet.

Not counting trolls, you might be the dumbest poster out of all the regulars. No knowledge, no reading comprehension, just unabashed front office apologizing.

I didn't mean it was "just that simple" to acquire that type of big, I mean if they want to be a good defensive team again, that's what they need. Not Pop pretending to care about it this season more than last (like every other season) and not stocking the second unit and back end of the roster with good or intriguing defenders.

Blair, Anderson and a 1st (particularly in this draft), are all quality assets. On their own, they wouldn't net them the type of big they need. But together, they would.

[jjktkk]

Not counting trolls, you might be the dumbest poster out of all the regulars. No knowledge, no reading comprehension, just unabashed front office apologizing.

I didn't mean it was "just that simple" to acquire that type of big, I mean if they want to be a good defensive team again, that's what they need. Not Pop pretending to care about it this season more than last (like every other season) and not stocking the second unit and back end of the roster with good or intriguing defenders.

Blair, Anderson and a 1st (particularly in this draft), are all quality assets. On their own, they wouldn't net them the type of big they need. But together, they would.

Quality assets? Are you that much of a dumbass to think below average prospects like Blair and Anderson and a 1st rounder are going to fetch a quality big, that every team in the league covets? Tell me your not that idiotic?

[TD 21]

Quality assets? Are you that much of a dumbass to think below average prospects like Blair and Anderson and a 1st rounder are going to fetch a quality big, that every team in the league covets? Tell me your not that idiotic?

They're not below average prospects, retard. Particularly Blair. His career PER is 17.6 and this season he's at 19.9. The league average is 15. He's one of the best bang for the buck players in the league. The Spurs just have him miscast as a starter. Anderson is about average, but 6-6 (supposed) shooters/scorers at SG, are not in abundance nowadays. And a 1st, in this draft, even if it is high teens - low twenties, is solid value. That's three quality assets, that together should be able to net them the type of power forward they need.

You clearly only follow the Spurs and not the rest of the league. It's easy to nitpick players when you watch them on a game to game basis, but you've got to keep perspective and be able to see the forest from the trees.

[NewcastleKEG]

IMO this all depends on Pop's next move

If he wants one more project then you need to deal these guys now and commit the next 5 years to Pop. If Pop isn't interested in making such a commitment then

Spurs should just finish off Duncan & Manu. Tim is on his last foot (2-3 years tops) and Ginobili is already 34 years old. They leave along with Pop and the next coach starts from scratch. Basically the Charlotte Bobcats

NBA = ALL or nothing. You want to be a contender or lottery pick team. So Spurs should keep all or deal all.

[Russ]

NBA = ALL or nothing. You want to be a contender or lottery pick team. So Spurs should keep all or deal all.

Double down.

The future is now.

Don't worry, there'll be plenty of time to suck.

[jjktkk]

They're not below average prospects, retard. Particularly Blair. His career PER is 17.6 and this season he's at 19.9. The league average is 15. He's one of the best bang for the buck players in the league. The Spurs just have him miscast as a starter. Anderson is about average, but 6-6 (supposed) shooters/scorers at SG, are not in abundance nowadays.

Bigs are more in demand.

And a 1st, in this draft, even if it is high teens - low twenties, is solid value. That's three quality assets, that together should be able to net them the type of power forward they need.

You clearly overvalue the Spur's trade assets. You might be able to get a solid vet,, but your insane if you think some team is goning to give a prime big for Blair, Anderson, and a 1st.


You clearly only follow the Spurs and not the rest of the league. It's easy to nitpick players when you watch them on a game to game basis, but you've got to keep perspective and be able to see the forest from the trees.

Umm, in a word, no.

[TD 21]

Bigs are more in demand.


You clearly overvalue the Spur's trade assets. You might be able to get a solid vet,, but your insane if you think some team is goning to give a prime big for Blair, Anderson, and a 1st.



Umm, in a word, no.

Prime big? I'm talking about someone the caliber of Gibson (no chance), Arthur (out for the season), Davis, etc. That's attainable.

[ChumpDumper]

I'd respect threads like these more if they were started after a good win.