Tony Parker's league rank

[Spursfan092120]

Just a question...not sure of the answer so I'm giving it to you guys...is he top 3 PG right now?

Over 17 ppg
Over 8 apg

[DPG21920]

No he is not. He's playing well, but he's not top 3.

[DMC]

No

[Spursfan092120]

Well..he's gotta be Top 5...who would you guys put above him right now?

[jjktkk]

Top 10.

[Spursfan092120]

Top 10.

Really?? Come on dude...

Give me 5 guys doing it better than Tony right now.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

tony is ballin this year but top three is tough comp

[jjktkk]

Really?? Come on dude...

Give me 5 guys doing it better than Tony right now.

Your right. Top 5.

[Spursfan092120]

Your right. Top 5.

I can take that one...I'm still arguing top 3 in my head right now, though. I'm not a homer, by any means...but the guy is just playing ridiculous right now. Not sure what clicked in his head to start the assist show, but I'm glad it did.

[slick'81]

top 3 not even close

[Juggity]

top 7-10 tbh. Slumping earlier this season brought him down

[ajballer4]

1. Rose
2. CP3
3. Westbrook
4. D-Will
5. Parker
6. Rondo
7. Nash
8. Lowry
9. Lawson
10. Conley

[jesterbobman]

Paul and Rose are comfortably ahead of him, and everyone else at PG.

The other PG's in general are a close clump together, Westbrook, Rondo, Parker, Williams etc are all in the argument for #3, I don't think there's a clear #3 though.

[Rummpd]

By PER according to Hollinger he is currently 8 but surging and could well be in top 5 within a week or so. He is also 4th in top tier point guards in Earned win average: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?

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[mercos]

At worst I would put Parker at number 5, and at best number 3. Rose and Paul are a grade above everyone else in my opinion. I think the last few weeks Parker has been playing better than Westbrook. I haven't been paying attention to D-Will so I can't really compare the two at the moment.

[ElNono]

no

[DesignatedT]

top 5

[blackfire12]

He could be a top 5 with the way he's been playing but top 3 is stretching it, they'd have to really be giving him the ball and want to make an effort for that. Definitely in the top 10 at least.

[mathbzh]

Paul and Rose are comfortably ahead of him, and everyone else at PG.

The other PG's in general are a close clump together, Westbrook, Rondo, Parker, Williams etc are all in the argument for #3, I don't think there's a clear #3 though.

That

[gospursgojas]

4th. Behind rose, Paul, and Westbrook.

[timvp]

Rose and CP3 are clearly better. Going on this year alone, you can make a case for Westbrook, Lowry, Rondo, Lawson and maybe even Nash for having better seasons so far. So Parker is probably somewhere in the 4-7 range right now.

[chazley]

LOL at D-Will being better than Parker this year. He's been in a huge slump (except for tonight).

[suitedkings]

No way is Westbrook ahead of Parker as of right now. His Ast/To is 1.64.

[portnoy1]

No way is Westbrook ahead of Parker as of right now. His Ast/To is 1.64.
Westbrook is talented player with a surprisingly low bb iq. Not understanding the concept of giving the ball to 30ppg player everytime down is kinda stupid for a point guard. I would never point him ahead of TP no matter how many assist he averages, because his decision making is terrible.

[jimo2305]

you can tell who watches the nba around here from this thread

after cp3 and rose.. parker makes a strong case for #3 but so do lowry and lawson so far this season.. i believe parker's the only one that hasn't gone down with an injury yet out of this group

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Parker is NOT top 5. Top 10 yes. But Rose, D. Williams, CP3, Westbrook, and Rondo are all easily better than him. All are younger as well. I would rather having a play making PG any day of the week than a scoring PG. Just a week ago everyone on this website was killing Parker for his terrible TO's and lack of clutch play. He has one 17 assist game and now he is the 3rd best PG in the NBA??? He can't play D and is a streaky shooter, mediocre passer. Short short memories.

[Chomag]

Bottom of the top 5, if he wasn't in such a funk earlier he would most likely be fighting for a top 3 spot.

Having said that. I have loved the play style of TP the last 3-4 games. He has looked pretty damn great as a felicitate by being a distributor instead of a scorer. Going forward in his career he will probably stay more relevant in the league if he changes his style to accommodate his dwindling speed.

[timvp]

Parker is NOT top 5. Top 10 yes. But Rose, D. Williams, CP3, Westbrook, and Rondo are all easily better than him.


I would rather having a play making PG any day of the week than a scoring PG.

Does not compute.

[TJastal]

Does not compute.

IIRC this is the guy who thought we should lay off Pop cause none of the bad FO decisions were his fault.

[jimo2305]

lol really bro? seriously.. lets put their stats on the table then

[mathbzh]

lol really bro? seriously.. lets put their stats on the table then

This season, going with PER, you have Paul and Rose (around 24) above a group of player ranking from #3 Nash (22.5) to#15 Jordan Farmar (20.09).
Parker is #6 with 21.4

Unless you want to discuss how much difference tenths of PER points make, stats will not really help you this time.

Edit:
It's actually amazing how many PG have PER above 20 at this point of the season. I assume that with the lockout the team plays are more basics giving more opportunities for those who can create (for themselves or a teammate).

[will_spurs]

Parker is NOT top 5. Top 10 yes. But Rose, D. Williams, CP3, Westbrook, and Rondo are all easily better than him. All are younger as well. I would rather having a play making PG any day of the week than a scoring PG. Just a week ago everyone on this website was killing Parker for his terrible TO's and lack of clutch play. He has one 17 assist game and now he is the 3rd best PG in the NBA??? He can't play D and is a streaky shooter, mediocre passer. Short short memories.

Westbrook is the worst volume shooter in the NBA, and the whole of his playmaking abilities starts and ends with playing alongside Kevin Durant. Westbrook is still shooting the best of his career but still shooting lower % than Parker who is having the worst shooting season of his career (if you exclude his rookie year).

Not only Westbrook isn't "easily better than Parker", he is actually not even as good, and is 100% piggy-backing on Durant.

As for Deron Williams, he is averaging a career-high 4.3 turnovers per game (whereas Parker averages only 2.6 "terrible turnovers") and shooting a measly 39% from the field.

[Spurtacus]

If its a question of how valuable they have been to their teams then I believe Parker is top 3. In terms of overall play this season he's top 5. Rondo and CP3 have been hurt. Westbrook is meh. Rose and Lowry have been great.

[Drom John]

I was expecting this to be just home town puffing. So I went to the better than PER Hollinger stat, VA (which includes playing time). (Unless you think Manu is the MVP of league right now.)

1) Rose
2) Parker
3) Westbrook
4) Jennings
5) Nash
6) Lowry
7) Paul
8) Lou Williams
9) Jack
10) Deron Williams
44T) Ford

Wow!

[jimo2305]

i cant' be bothered copying and pasting stats right now..

i don't believe in PER tbh.. ive alreayd pointed out loopholes in hollinger's oh so esteemed ratings system that some ppl on this forum (not this thread) choose to ignore..

i'll reiterate.. i'm talking about literally right now.. since december 25th.. i already know rondo/cp3/dwill and nash can make cases for being more valuable , than parker..
i'm also saying that parker isn't a clear cut lock at #3 most valuable pg in the league but he makes a strong case at it..

my rankings are:

1. D-Rose
2. Cp3
3a. Tony Parker 3b. Kyle Lowery 3c. Rajon Rondo

the last 3 don't really standout clearly over one another but i can't find any better pg playing better than who i just mentioned..

IMO parker's numbers went up because of ginobili being absent.. he's not just having hot shooting streak or anything like that

[Pauleta14]

It also shows that the more talent you have in your team, the less your stats can be impressive!

If Tony hadn't played his whole career with another playmaker in Manu, his assist number average would be closer to the other Elite PGs....

[will_spurs]

Westbrook is easily better than Parker.

Parker says hello :lmao

[TDMVPDPOY]

cp3 is overrated, if his that good, the clippers should be winnin

deron = his stats are below across the board even on a shit team around him, he could be statpadding, but still doing jackshit

westbrook = exposed everytime he chucks up

[will_spurs]

cp3 is overrated, if his that good, the clippers should be winnin

As much as I dislike CP3, the Clippers are 2nd in the West, ahead of SA.

[maverick1948]

I dont care where you rank Tony in relation to the rest of the PG.

He IS the MVP of the Spurs. He has taken over the role of playmaker for the Spurs and is getting the high assist count while Manu is out. He has handled the ball 36 mins a game where with Manu, TP handles the ball only about 60-65% of the time as PG. Manu gets the rest.

[Muser]

If we're going by stats then Parker and Westbrook are pretty even.

[BigTex342006]

I would put Parker around the 4-7th range, but capable of putting up pretty big numbers. Obviously his value isn't as high as some younger guys because of age, but also unlike the "potential" of the young guns, Parker has been there, done that. We have seen him play and perform on the highest stage - 3 rings and a Finals MVP.

Pop's system is such that it really doesn't require a 10 assist per game player. Moving the ball around until you find the open man is the name of the game. I would bet over the last 7 years if they had a hockey type assist stat (you get credit it the guy scores from the pass after the initial pass), Parker's numbers would be fairly elite.

With Ginobili out, and Duncan decline, there has been many times without Parker's scoring ability, the Spurs would be in trouble....so having more of a scoring first guard has shown its benefits. I do agree that the more he starts to dish, the longer his career will be. His mid-range, floater, and scoring in the paint are absolutely elite level.

I would like him to keep working on his corner three.....hit that anywhere around 38% or higher, and that makes his driving game all the more better...

[jesterbobman]

Look, Parker is really good. But don't put down Paul, he's ahead of Parker, even when he's fallen off a relative cliff since two years ago. He is a super efficient shooter, assists a lot and doesn't turn the ball over. Parker is in the debate at 3, but that's the peak.

[Proxy]

Westbrook is great, but he is overrated if you're putting him in the top 3. I don't think he's any better than Parker.

Rose and CP3 are obviously better, though I'll venture out to say that Paul seems to be at a lesser level than he was in NO.

How about Kyle Lowry? Not top 5 obviously, but put him in the mix of the top 10 talks at least.

[Spursfan092120]

bump

[Rummpd]

Top Three: Paul, Williams and Rose
Middle Three: Parker and Nash both over Westbrook IMO
Lots in mix for next 4

[Spursfan092120]

Mmm hmmm

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/k/king_of_the_hill-5137.jpg

[Robz4000]

Parker makin a case for himself

[TDMVPDPOY]

Look, Parker is really good. But don't put down Paul, he's ahead of Parker, even when he's fallen off a relative cliff since two years ago. He is a super efficient shooter, assists a lot and doesn't turn the ball over. Parker is in the debate at 3, but that's the peak.

pretty hard to watch a guy play when he flops every play given opportunity....

[timvp]

Parker is locked into that 4-7 range depending on your criteria. Even a streak of great games isn't going to change that.

[Spursfan092120]

bump...

[SpursIndonesia]

I don't think Parker would ever be a great batman PG like Rose or Paul, but he's really the best Robin PG of the world, if that makes sense (yes, this is STILL Tim Duncan's team, ever).

[DMC]

bump...
Bump all you like, Parker isn't top 3 PG in the league still. He's good, playing great, knows the system, unstoppable in the open court, but the PG position is loaded with talent. You cannot take a injured CP3 in a shitty offensive system (Clippers offense is stagnant and shitty) and snapshot that and call it Chris Paul's pinnacle.

Nice try, but no.

[ducks]

charles barkley after game one said he was best point guard all season this year

[ducks]

Bump all you like, Parker isn't top 3 PG in the league still. He's good, playing great, knows the system, unstoppable in the open court, but the PG position is loaded with talent. You cannot take a injured CP3 in a shitty offensive system (Clippers offense is stagnant and shitty) and snapshot that and call it Chris Paul's pinnacle.

Nice try, but no.

cp3 is suppose to be the leader on that team and also is the point guard
he gets all the credit for putting clippers on the map
he should be able to take the heat
tp owns that basterd top three in mvp voting my ass

[will_spurs]

Bump all you like, Parker isn't top 3 PG in the league still. He's good, playing great, knows the system, unstoppable in the open court, but the PG position is loaded with talent. You cannot take a injured CP3 in a shitty offensive system (Clippers offense is stagnant and shitty) and snapshot that and call it Chris Paul's pinnacle.

Nice try, but no.

Actually based on actual play and performance this year, Tony is the best PG in the league right now.