Rush Limbaugh finally apologizes..too late?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mike Taylor? He's pretty good, imo.

What does that have to do with CC in Dallas?

Because he was a golden child in the Dallas office and they were afraid they were going to lose him so they gave him the gig here rather than consider what this market wants. He does the Spurs pregame shows solo and hes a Mavs fan. Its a fucking travesty.

[Blake]

You really think so?

I think he's funny and on target enough to listen to.

Best local sports radio show since the Thomson Bros, imo

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think he's funny and on target enough to listen to.

Best local sports radio show since the Thomson Bros, imo

Well you must be a Cowboys ffan because thats all he talks about and hes been very fond of reminding Spurs fans that the Spurs window is closed.

And you like that redneck schtick hes got going on? Fuck that.

Thats besides the point though. You do not have a fan of the home teams biggest in state rivals do teh teams pregame shows or the react shows. Its wrong and what about the fans in San Antonio that are Spurs fans and not Dallas fans; I guess fuck them too?

I don't like the guy but the ones i really despise are the production managers. Its disrespectful to a city to do that. I would be like getting an Eagles fan to take the place of Norm Hitzges in Dallas.

[Blake]

Because he was a golden child in the Dallas office and they were afraid they were going to lose him so they gave him the gig here rather than consider what this market wants. He does the Spurs pregame shows solo and hes a Mavs fan. Its a fucking travesty.

I'm not sure what you believe the market here wants that he doesn't talk about. I know he was on ESPN radio in Dallas. Is the station up there owned by clear channel?

I also think his fandom of the Mavericks is overblown. He's clearly a knowledgeable, respectful fan of the Spurs.

[Blake]

Well you must be a Cowboys ffan because thats all he talks about and hes been very fond of reminding Spurs fans that the Spurs window is closed.

I've got him on right now. I'll tell you what he talks about this hour.


Thats besides the point though. You do not have a fan of the home teams biggest in state rivals do teh teams pregame shows or the react shows. Its wrong and what about the fans in San Antonio that are Spurs fans and not Dallas fans; I guess fuck them too?

I don't like the guy but the ones i really despise are the production managers. Its disrespectful to a city to do that. I would be like getting an Eagles fan to take the place of Norm Hitzges in Dallas.

So you're saying he talks maverick basketball during the pre-game and re-act?

I've never heard him do that. Wasn't aware.....

[Blake]

I've got him on right now. I'll tell you what he talks about this hour.


....watching Peyton Manning thing....wondering how the Tim Duncan thing will play out...

....a quick quip about Linsanity being almost over.......mentioned people have been rightly criticized for making fun of Asian, but it's still open season on making fun of the Mexicans....

....said will talk Texas Rangers later and Yu Darvish (sp?)

.....later will be the "people I want to punch" segment

[Blake]

....now he's discussing the Alamo Heights v Edison (high school basketball) incident.......rumor is that the Edison kids were shouting "Alamo Whites" before the game.......it's been confirmed that 5 A.H. players were shouting "u.s.a.......u.s.a" after the game.

These kids have been suspended for the next round in the playoffs and the coach and superintendent have both publicly apologized, but the SAISD superintendent wants the UIL to take it further....

Good discussion, imo. :tu

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Has he mentioned the Spurs playing the Knicks tonight or did he just talk about Lin? All i see is that there is a Spurs game tonight and he has yet to talk about it.

its nice to see he will talk about Dallas baseball later though. gmfb.

[DarrinS]

....now he's discussing the Alamo Heights v Edison (high school basketball) incident.......rumor is that the Edison kids were shouting "Alamo Whites" before the game.......it's been confirmed that 5 A.H. players were shouting "u.s.a.......u.s.a" after the game.

These kids have been suspended for the next round in the playoffs and the coach and superintendent have both publicly apologized, but the SAISD superintendent wants the UIL to take it further....

Good discussion, imo. :tu


Fuckin Alamo Heights snobs.

[Blake]

Has he mentioned the Spurs playing the Knicks tonight or did he just talk about Lin? All i see is that there is a Spurs game tonight and he has yet to talk about it.

its nice to see he will talk about Dallas baseball later though. gmfb.

I figure that was why he mentioned Lin to begin with.

To each his own, but if it's going to be 3 hours of Spur pre game prep, I'm putting music on after 10 minutes.

[ChumpDumper]

....now he's discussing the Alamo Heights v Edison (high school basketball) incident.......rumor is that the Edison kids were shouting "Alamo Whites" before the game.......it's been confirmed that 5 A.H. players were shouting "u.s.a.......u.s.a" after the game.

These kids have been suspended for the next round in the playoffs and the coach and superintendent have both publicly apologized, but the SAISD superintendent wants the UIL to take it further....

Good discussion, imo. :tuOh shit, the players would have been fine if they had just left this up to the people in the crowd.

Too bad.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I figure that was why he mentioned Lin to begin with.

To each his own, but if it's going to be 3 hours of Spur pre game prep, I'm putting music on after 10 minutes.

Lets be clear then you did not actually hear him talk about the Spurs at all?

He doesn't talk Mavs but he does downplay the Spurs, predicts failure and almost exclusively talks DFW sports.

He is not a San Antonio sportscaster. Hes a Dallas sportscaster. i wouldn't care so much if it wasn't for him doing the game shows too.

I will continue my boycott of all things clear channel. You go for the stupid red neck from Dallas schtick. Its typical good ole boys nonsense in S Texas.

[Blake]

....just got finished talking about how Duncan has done more for SA than Manning for Indy community

[Blake]

....now he's talking about the knicks limping into the ATT center........Linsanity is done......Carmelo may have had worst game of his career last night against mavs.....Knick front office is player personnel dumb.....

...I'm done listening for the day due to external reasons, but I thought it was an entertaining San Antonio related show with no mention of the Mavericks other than the Knicks losing to them last night.....

:tu

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I heard the segment talking about Lin coming to San Antonio. i figured that I would give him a listen as i went to go pick up some Chinese food for the fam.

What he said was that the Spurs would not like it because they want people to come to the game but Lin was done. He based that on their performance against the Mavericks. He said that two weeks ago against the Mavs, he had 14 assists but the Mavs keyed their defense on him this time around and he only had 7.

In short in talking about the upcoming Spurs game against the Knicks he talked more about the Dallas fucking Mavericks. To make matters worse he was telling people more or less that it was not worth going to the game.

Its a travesty.

The next bit was him talking about some girl that he was not going to let his daughters watch on TV because she has an eating disorder and cuts herself and then went on and on about how he didn't sympathize for her at all and made comments about how she should just shoot herself. it was the typical redneck bullshit with that asinine pseudo drawl emphasized as he is prone to do. i turned it off after that and my Galaxy is plugged back in for good.

The entire time i am sitting their thinking that those daughters are from his ex-wife and rather then worrying about the TV he should be more concerned about how he himself is a role model by cheating on their mother with a coworker and then proceeding to try and assuage legal costs by endorsing his attorneys on the radio. This entire town knows the big old shit he took in public and hes worried about somebody on the Disney Channel? Oh and lets bring them up on the air. Thats real smart.

He is a straight up insult to this town. Yeah dont bother coming to the game because the Mavs already beat Lin and btw heres how you should raise your daughters because I should know after shacking up with coworkers while i am at work and the whole public knows.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Rush Limbaugh never thought he'd be reduced to filling his show with free PSA's instead of paid ads. Today he did just that.

[ididnotnothat]

Sen. Carl Levin says the Armed Forces Network should drop Rush Limbaugh.

[Blake]

I heard the segment talking about Lin coming to San Antonio. i figured that I would give him a listen as i went to go pick up some Chinese food for the fam.

What he said was that the Spurs would not like it because they want people to come to the game but Lin was done. He based that on their performance against the Mavericks. He said that two weeks ago against the Mavs, he had 14 assists but the Mavs keyed their defense on him this time around and he only had 7.

In short in talking about the upcoming Spurs game against the Knicks he talked more about the Dallas fucking Mavericks. To make matters worse he was telling people more or less that it was not worth going to the game.

Its a travesty.

The next bit was him talking about some girl that he was not going to let his daughters watch on TV because she has an eating disorder and cuts herself and then went on and on about how he didn't sympathize for her at all and made comments about how she should just shoot herself. it was the typical redneck bullshit with that asinine pseudo drawl emphasized as he is prone to do. i turned it off after that and my Galaxy is plugged back in for good.

The entire time i am sitting their thinking that those daughters are from his ex-wife and rather then worrying about the TV he should be more concerned about how he himself is a role model by cheating on their mother with a coworker and then proceeding to try and assuage legal costs by endorsing his attorneys on the radio. This entire town knows the big old shit he took in public and hes worried about somebody on the Disney Channel? Oh and lets bring them up on the air. Thats real smart.

He is a straight up insult to this town. Yeah dont bother coming to the game because the Mavs already beat Lin and btw heres how you should raise your daughters because I should know after shacking up with coworkers while i am at work and the whole public knows.

Boycott!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Boycott!

I had already made my choice. i had long ago decided CC would not get my fare after they brought him here several years ago. I try and keep an open mind though and you said that you liked it so i decided to give it another shot. Do you disagree with anything that I said or are you just going to leave it at that?

[Drachen]

Because he was a golden child in the Dallas office and they were afraid they were going to lose him so they gave him the gig here rather than consider what this market wants. He does the Spurs pregame shows solo and hes a Mavs fan. Its a fucking travesty.

Is that the guy who does halftime on WOAI? That guy is freaking horrible. He has no cadence to his speech.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Is that the guy who does halftime on WOAI? That guy is freaking horrible. He has no cadence to his speech.

i don't know Clear Channel does those broadcasts and i do not listen to them. I DVR that shit.

[Jacob1983]

Why doesn't Rush just get off public radio and go to satellite radio? If he did that, then no one could bitch because you can do whatever the fuck you want on satellite radio because it's not free radio. It's private.

[ChumpDumper]

They already blew their money on Stern.

[Winehole23]

Rush Limbaugh never thought he'd be reduced to filling his show with free PSA's instead of paid ads. Today he did just that.40 or so sponsors have withdrawn and two affiliates have dropped the show that I've heard of, and that was as of yesterday afternoon.

[Winehole23]

They already blew their money on Stern.$200 mil or something like that

[Wild Cobra]

On my reading, I find that the fans normally shouted "USA" on all games. not just against this school. I read other interesting things like Edison players shouting during the National Anthem. If this one is true, it would be just cause to shout "USA" just for this game alone.

[mouse]

If this many people are talking about him he must be doing something right.


Sincerely: Any radio program director

[DarrinS]

http://hackwilson.blogspot.com/2012/03/insulting-conservative-women-is.html?m=1




Insulting conservative women is perfectly fine.
Because, of course, they aren't REAL women according to the standard feminist rule book. Just like black conservatives aren't REAL black people, according to left wing ideologues, and therefore can and should be subject to vicious attack.

As far as women go, if you are any one of the following, you are fair game for any kind of malicious slander the left can conjure up:

-Pro-life
-Protestant, Catholic, or Mormon
-Amish
-Opposed to pre-marital sex
-In support of traditional marriage
-In support of 2nd amendment rights
-Respectful of men and masculinity

By contrast, if you are one of the following, you are applauded, supported, and encouraged in today's society:
-Lesbian
-Any religion other than Christianity or Mormonism
-Pro-abortion
-PromiscuousLuck_The_Fakers_
-Anti-male

As we see the absolute tar and feathering of Rush Limbaugh by the rabid leftist media for calling a slut and slut, let's take a trip down memory lane shall we?

In 2009, David Letterman in a pathetic attempt at humor, referred to Sarah Palin as a "slutty flight attendant."

In 2011, Obama mega donor Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a "c*nt" during his standup routine.

Also in 2011, Obama mega donor Bill Maher and guest Marc Maron lightheartedly discussed how they hope Michele Bachmann's husband "f*cks her angrily."

In 2011, left wing talk show host Ed Schultz called conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham a "slut".

In 2011, after Ed Schultz called Ingraham a slut, the liberal women on ABC's The View casually discussed the usage of the word and laughed about Ingraham being called one.Luck_The_Fakers_

In 2009, Keith Olbermann referred to conservative blogger and author Michelle Malkin as a "mashed up bag of meat with lipstick."

In 2010, Joy Behar of The View repeatedly called Republican Sharron Angle a "bitch" on air, saying, "She's going to hell, this bitch."

In 2010, Gawker published a libelous story slandering Tea Party candidate Christine O'Donnell titled "I Had a One Night Stand With Christine O'Donnell."

In 2011, the rabidly liberal cartoonist of Doonesbury, Garry Trudeau, created a comic making fun of Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann's breasts.

In 2011, Bill Maher, again on cue, referred to Sarah Palin as a dumb "twat".

In 2009, David Letterman joked about 14 year old Willow Palin getting "knocked up" by Yankees 3rd baseman Alex Rodriguez.

In 2010, California Democrat Jerry Brown's campaign called Republican challenger Meg Whitman a whore.

In 2009, Florida Democrat Alan Grayson called Linda Robertson a "K Street whore".

In 2010, Democrat Janis Baird Sontany of Tennessee said of Republican women, "You have to lift their skirts up to see if they are actually women."

In 2008, liberal entertainer Sandra Bernhard said of Sarah Palin, "she would be gang-raped by my big black brothers if she enters Manhattan."

In 2009, HBO ran a program called "A Final Night With George W. Bush, You're Welcome America" which featured a woman portraying Condoleezza Rice giving a lapdance.

In 1999, Salon.com's Thor Hesla, and outspoken Democrat, wrote a piece about conservative Ann Coulter saying she should "buy a vibrator" and "rack up some quick orgasms."

In 2008, Obama supporters were caught wearing t-shirts proudly displaying the words "Sarah Palin is a C*nt."

You know, we really could go on, and on, and on. But it isn't necessary.


With each of these slurs against conservative women, not a single word from the spineless feminists and emasculated men working in the media. Because, like I mentioned earlier, a conservative woman is not a REAL woman, because a conservative woman is against abortion, in favor of morality, and respectful of men. Our society has moved past these "ancient" beliefs into an era of enlightenment where right = wrong, wrong = right, up = down, wet = dry, yes = no, and every single relativist driven thing you can imagine.

Now here we are in 2012, and Rush Limbaugh, that mean, white, racist, sexist, homophobe and hater of women, has referred to a slut as....a slut, and the entire media and left wing in this country has collectively soiled themselves in an unprecedented toddler like temper tantrum.

Where was that reaction when Bill Maher referred to Sarah Palin as a c*nt? Or when Ed Schultz called Laura Ingraham a slut? Or when Michele Bachmann was repeatedly slurred and slandered in the most revolting of sexual ways during her campaign? No, there was none, nor will there ever be one from the left.

Last night was the series premier of GCB on one of the most despicable of television networks in this country, ABC. "Good Christian Bitches" is most certainly poised to offer plenty of satire and sexually charged humor at the expense of Christian, conservative women in this country. Is there any outrage about this? Let's just say, if this show was titled "Good Muslim Bitches" or "Good Lesbian Bitches" or "Good Liberal Bitches" or "Good Atheist Bitches" we would see---well, you can guess the reaction.

The most sexist of all is the disgusting treatment any woman on the right receives in this country.

But they deserve it right? After all, because they don't believe in aborting unborn human beings, that means they aren't REAL women right?

[George Gervin's Afro]

On my reading, I find that the fans normally shouted "USA" on all games. not just against this school. I read other interesting things like Edison players shouting during the National Anthem. If this one is true, it would be just cause to shout "USA" just for this game alone.

:pimpslap

[Blake]

I had already made my choice. i had long ago decided CC would not get my fare after they brought him here several years ago. I try and keep an open mind though and you said that you liked it so i decided to give it another shot. Do you disagree with anything that I said or are you just going to leave it at that?

I don't care about where he came from or what things go on in his personal life behind the scenes. I find him and the topics he covers entertaining enough to listen to most days.

I do listen enough to know that people blow the amount of coverage he gives the Mavs way out of proportion, imo.

[Blake]

Is that the guy who does halftime on WOAI? That guy is freaking horrible. He has no cadence to his speech.

He's the guy that usually does Spurs post game react, where he usually talks about the Mavericks

[RandomGuy]

[boo-hoo, look at the insults leveled at conservative women, we're such victims, waaaaaaaah]

I figured it would be a matter of time before some industrious right-wing hack put together some list like that.

"What Rush did isn't so bad, 'cause the liberal media does it all the time."

Some of that list is bad.

BUT

You can't equate them. Rush went far over any reasonable line with someone who really didn't deserve the level of vitriol.

To begin with Rush didn't even get his facts straight, and secondly, he made shit up.

Saying someone is a c*nt and saying that they fuck farm animals are quite different.

Frankly Maher's comments deserve some criticism for their harshness. I would vastly prefer a bit more civility in our discourse.

Rush has recanted, and sadly gained some publicity for his slowly fading show. He has apologized, but I am a bit disgusted with the doubling down on his comments by other conservative talking heads, as well as some here.

I used to be just appalled by the right wing in this country, but this adds disgust to that.

Hell, if it will make the decent conservatives that paruse the forum occasionally feel better, I will be happy to take Maher to task sometime.

[Spurminator]

http://hackwilson.blogspot.com/2012/03/insulting-conservative-women-is.html?m=1

Hack, huh? Seems about right.

[Spurminator]

I mean if you can't differentiate between calling a non-public figure a "slut" because of her testimony on birth control, and calling TV pundits who MAKE THEIR MONEY on vitriol "bitches" or "cunts," there's no helping you.

It's all in the game. You guys eat this shit up, so don't complain when it's directed at your guy.

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin can write to Bill Maher's sponsors if he's so outraged.

[Winehole23]

goes to professional demeanor, regardless of one's personal reasons for citing it

[ChumpDumper]

The name calling in the media is tired and lazy no matter who is doing it. People who are paid to be in the media should be required to do better by the people paying them.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I figured it would be a matter of time before some industrious right-wing hack put together some list like that.

"What Rush did isn't so bad, 'cause the liberal media does it all the time."

Some of that list is bad.

BUT

You can't equate them. Rush went far over any reasonable line with someone who really didn't deserve the level of vitriol.

To begin with Rush didn't even get his facts straight, and secondly, he made s/hit up.

Saying someone is a c*nt and saying that they fuck farm animals are quite different.

Frankly Maher's comments deserve some criticism for their harshness. I would vastly prefer a bit more civility in our discourse.

Rush has recanted, and sadly gained some publicity for his slowly fading show. He has apologized, but I am a bit disgusted with the doubling down on his comments by other conservative talking heads, as well as some here.

I used to be just appalled by the right wing in this country, but this adds disgust to that.

Hell, if it will make the decent conservatives that paruse the forum occasionally feel better, I will be happy to take Maher to task sometime.

:lol geez, you're so full of shit

[Jacob1983]

People just need to move on. Liberals get a free pass and conservatives don't.

If you offend a Jew, homo, or liberal woman, you better prepare yourself because you are going to be on trial for crimes against humanity.
If you offend a Christian, Catholic, fat person, retarded person, or a conservative, you will be praised and be called a hero.

Accept that and move on.

[clambake]

retarded person?

[clambake]

this jacob guy is a riot!

[ChumpDumper]

lol hero

[CosmicCowboy]

retarded person?

Yeah, I think the retards go in the same class with the homos.

[Winehole23]

Rush's retirement can't be too far off. I've accepted that and moved on.

[clambake]

Yeah, I think the retards go in the same class with the homos.

....and thats how we get catholic priest!

[Winehole23]

Yeah, I think the retards go in the same class with the homos.blanket swaddled and sprinkled with special accommodations by progressive do gooders?

[Jacob1983]

Liberal celebs have made fun of retarded people and people with other disabilities yet none of them are charged with crimes against humanity. You can still make fun of retarded people without consequence. I would put Asians and Native Americans in the fair game group as well.

[clambake]

melt

[ChumpDumper]

Liberal celebs have made fun of retarded people and people with other disabilities yet none of them are charged with crimes against humanity. You can still make fun of retarded people without consequence. I would put Asians and Native Americans in the fair game group as well.It's true, we make fun of you with all your mental defects after all.

[DarrinS]

I figured it would be a matter of time before some industrious right-wing hack put together some list like that.

"What Rush did isn't so bad, 'cause the liberal media does it all the time."

Some of that list is bad.

BUT

You can't equate them. Rush went far over any reasonable line with someone who really didn't deserve the level of vitriol.




As opposed to those that DID DESERVE that level of vitriol? Lol


Doesn't matter. It's some phony GOP "war on women" that distracts voters from the REAL issue -- the economy.

This doofus appears to echo your spin. Notice at the end of the video that he says on message: "The GOP hates women".

Z3CWsMJov04

[clambake]

he didn't say that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Darrin have you been paying attention to the economic numbers lately? Stuff like unemployment, manufacturing, consumer indexes etc?

[Wild Cobra]

Liberal celebs have made fun of retarded people and people with other disabilities yet none of them are charged with crimes against humanity. You can still make fun of retarded people without consequence. I would put Asians and Native Americans in the fair game group as well.
I'm curious. I have Native American blood, and Black blood in my veins, even though I am primarily German, Scottish, and Norwegian. No Brown or yellow blood....

Does that mean I can make fun of Blacks and Native Americans, but not Latinos, or Asians?

[RandomGuy]

:lol geez, you're so full of shit

How so?

I think a three day tirade of vitriol against someone who spoke rather mildly about health issues to a congressional hearing can't really be equated to a bad word or ten on someone who routinely gains national publicity for vitriolic political attacks.

If you can't see the difference, that is your problem, not mine.

[RandomGuy]

As opposed to those that DID DESERVE that level of vitriol? Lol


Doesn't matter. It's some phony GOP "war on women" that distracts voters from the REAL issue -- the economy.

This doofus appears to echo your spin. Notice at the end of the video that he says on message: "The GOP hates women".


The GOP doens't hate women. They don't have a "war on women". I disagree with that.

They hate poor people, and have a War on the Poor.

"Poor people" does include no small number of women, though, so I can see how one might make the mistake.

[Jacob1983]

Should Louis C.K. be fired? Should advertisers drop his show on FX? Should he apologize to Sarah Palin for calling her the c-word? Will he be judged the same way Rush was? Will anyone care?
Are we human or are we dancer?

[ChumpDumper]

Should Louis C.K. be fired? Should advertisers drop his show on FX? Should he apologize to Sarah Palin for calling her the c-word? Will he be judged the same way Rush was? Will anyone care?
Are we human or are we dancer?No one will care.

Except you. :cry

[spursncowboys]

The GOP doens't hate women. They don't have a "war on women". I disagree with that.

They hate poor people, and have a War on the Poor.

"Poor people" does include no small number of women, though, so I can see how one might make the mistake.

How does the GOP hate poor people? Do you really believe that?

[DMX7]

Rush Limbaugh's Show Filled With Free Ads; Sponsor Exodus Continues

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/rush-limbaugh-advertisers-exodus_n_1334705.html

[Wild Cobra]

Rush Limbaugh's Show Filled With Free Ads; Sponsor Exodus Continues

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/rush-limbaugh-advertisers-exodus_n_1334705.html
I still haven't seen anything yet, as to what the normal turnover is of sponsors.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I still haven't seen anything yet, as to what the normal turnover is of sponsors.

smh.

[DMX7]

I still haven't seen anything yet, as to what the normal turnover is of sponsors.

ok.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The GOP doens't hate women. They don't have a "war on women". I disagree with that.

They hate poor people, and have a War on the Poor.

"Poor people" does include no small number of women, though, so I can see how one might make the mistake.

The evangelical right and women have a lot of conflict. those are just tags to be on generalizations anyway. Linking sex and morality as they do in how they do limits reproductive freedom. Then you have Paul repeatedly in the new testament essentially saying women are subservient with no rights beyond those that their husband gives them. A lot of evangelicals support that notion to all manner of degree.

[spursncowboys]

Alot of people I talk to that use contraception still respects the idea that a religious group can be against it. I don't think this is going to be that much of a win as the dems think it will.

[spursncowboys]

Except in the areas the dems were going to win anyways.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, women don't count anyway, right?

[ploto]

To me the biggest irony about this whole situation is this:

You have the Obama administration saying these entities have to include birth control in their prescription plans. Now, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church may have gotten bent out of shape, but most Catholics to whom I have spoken have no problem with this. I have even spoken to priests who personally will tell you that they believe that religious freedom means the Church should not impose its beliefs on others. I have found it odd that people who speak of religious freedom in this matter seem to care about the rights of organized religion, as opposed to the individual rights of the people to practice what they do or do not believe. Isn't it the individual's freedom that is more vital? I am just surprised at the number of people, especially supposed conservatives, who believe in the right of an organization to impose its beliefs and practices on an individual simply because that person is an employee or a student. Would they feel the same were it a non-Christian religion?

[ElNono]

Related:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/us/politics/centrist-women-tell-of-disenchantment-with-gop.html?hp

[spursncowboys]

To me the biggest irony about this whole situation is this:

You have the Obama administration saying these entities have to include birth control in their prescription plans. Now, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church may have gotten bent out of shape, but most Catholics to whom I have spoken have no problem with this. I have even spoken to priests who personally will tell you that they believe that religious freedom means the Church should not impose its beliefs on others. I have found it odd that people who speak of religious freedom in this matter seem to care about the rights of organized religion, as opposed to the individual rights of the people to practice what they do or do not believe. Isn't it the individual's freedom that is more vital? I am just surprised at the number of people, especially supposed conservatives, who believe in the right of an organization to impose its beliefs and practices on an individual simply because that person is an employee or a student. Would they feel the same were it a non-Christian religion?

the individual right is not in question. No one is trying to outlaw birth control. The catholic church, who does not believe in birth control, does not want to pay for it with regards to their institutions. I agree with them

[clambake]

priest that rape children should shut the fuck up.

[Wild Cobra]

priest that rape children should shut the fuck up.
Speaking from experience?

[EVAY]

To me the biggest irony about this whole situation is this:

You have the Obama administration saying these entities have to include birth control in their prescription plans. Now, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church may have gotten bent out of shape, but most Catholics to whom I have spoken have no problem with this. I have even spoken to priests who personally will tell you that they believe that religious freedom means the Church should not impose its beliefs on others. I have found it odd that people who speak of religious freedom in this matter seem to care about the rights of organized religion, as opposed to the individual rights of the people to practice what they do or do not believe. Isn't it the individual's freedom that is more vital? I am just surprised at the number of people, especially supposed conservatives, who believe in the right of an organization to impose its beliefs and practices on an individual simply because that person is an employee or a student. Would they feel the same were it a non-Christian religion?

Well said. It has been interesting to me that Santorum lost the Catholic vote in the last couple of elections. A lot of Catholics ignore the Church's hierarchy.

[boutons_deux]

"have to include birth control in their prescription plans"

Many Catholic run orgs have been covering b/c in their insurance plans for years.

The pedophile-protecting bishops never objected until now.

"Would they feel the same were it a non-Christian religion"

it's not even a Christian angle, it could be, what the Repugs/Bishops want, abrogating coverage in a contract simply because of ethical or moral objections (Christ doesn't have to be in the picture), where the employer is not even party to contract ( which between the insurer and the employee).

[boutons_deux]

"have to include birth control in their prescription plans"

Many Catholic run orgs have been covering b/c in their insurance plans for years.

The pedophile-protecting bishops never objected until now.

"Would they feel the same were it a non-Christian religion"

it's not even a Christian angle, it could be, what the Repugs/Bishops want, abrogating coverage in a contract simply because of ethical or moral objections (Christ doesn't have to be in the picture), where the employer is not even party to contract ( which between the insurer and the employee).

[ploto]

the individual right is not in question. No one is trying to outlaw birth control. The catholic church, who does not believe in birth control, does not want to pay for it with regards to their institutions. I agree with them

They are NOT paying for it. The insurance is paid for by the student and is not subsidized by the university.

[clambake]

Speaking from experience?

flaglot stalker thinks i'm a priest. lol

[Drachen]

flaglot stalker thinks i'm a priest. lol

This is a decent to solid band name.

[clambake]

This is a decent to solid band name.

GSH unknowingly came up with another one.

bras and motor oil.

[Drachen]

GSH unknowingly came up with another one.

bras and motor oil.

LOL, that sounds like that song from "Hell Yeah" called "Alcohaulin Ass"

[elbamba]

To me the biggest irony about this whole situation is this:

You have the Obama administration saying these entities have to include birth control in their prescription plans. Now, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church may have gotten bent out of shape, but most Catholics to whom I have spoken have no problem with this. I have even spoken to priests who personally will tell you that they believe that religious freedom means the Church should not impose its beliefs on others.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. How exactly does the Catholic Church teaching that contraception is immoral, strip religious freedom from an American Citizen?



I have found it odd that people who speak of religious freedom in this matter seem to care about the rights of organized religion, as opposed to the individual rights of the people to practice what they do or do not believe.

What individual right is being forfeit? Certainly there is no constitutional right to contraception. Organized religions cannot prevent a women from going to a clinic to receive contraception. They certainly cannot prevent Walmart from selling contraception.



Isn't it the individual's freedom that is more vital? I am just surprised at the number of people, especially supposed conservatives, who believe in the right of an organization to impose its beliefs and practices on an individual simply because that person is an employee or a student. Would they feel the same were it a non-Christian religion?

Who is to say whose rights are more vital? An organized religion is made up of people who hold certain core beliefs and I would think their individual freedom is just as important.

I do not see the issue as a religion forcing their principles and beliefs on the individual. There is nothing that prohibits the individual from purchasing and taking their own contraception. There is no violation of any individual right imposed by the organization.

We can both agree that eating a balanced diet and getting regular exercise is essential to my health and to a healthy life. But we would not be in favor of the government forcing grocery stores to pay for me to eat a balanced diet or a gym to grant me free membership so I can use their treadmill.

I have no problem with a women taking contraception. My wife does. We paid for it during college when it was not covered under our plan. We then chose a health care plan that was more favorable to what we wanted while I was in law school. Contraception was included with like a $5.00 copay. We did not view it as a right but rather as a choice. We chose to pay for a plan that offered it, I am sure women have access to contraception throughout the country.

[elbamba]

They are NOT paying for it. The insurance is paid for by the student and is not subsidized by the university.

Then choose a university that offers the health coverage you are looking for. There is no right to go to Georgetown.

I am not going to go to BYU and demand that the honor code should not apply to me. I'll go to Texas State and have all the sex I want.

[elbamba]

Well said. It has been interesting to me that Santorum lost the Catholic vote in the last couple of elections. A lot of Catholics ignore the Church's hierarchy.

Which is the individuals right to do. No one compels them to comply with the church's teachings.

[Winehole23]

Then choose a university that offers the health coverage you are looking for. There is no right to go to Georgetown. There is a right to protest the policy. Might not be the most advisable or effective tack; and certainly others are as free to to criticize Fluke as she is to criticize Georgetown.

[elbamba]

There is a right to protest the policy. Might not be the most advisable or effective tack; and certainly others are as free to to criticize Fluke as she is to criticize Georgetown.

I completely agree. But to me, going to the school is more of a showing that you support or are at least okay with policy.

In Fluke's case, perhaps she chose the school just to protest the policy.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

In Fluke's case, perhaps she chose the school just to protest the policy.

"30 year old law student"

[Winehole23]

As long as we're speculating about the motives of others, mightn't there have been professional reasons as well? Georgetown Law is well-regarded, isn't it?

[EVAY]

As long as we're speculating about the motives of others, mightn't there have been professional reasons as well? Georgetown Law is well-regarded, isn't it?

Immensely so.

[Wild Cobra]

flaglot stalker thinks i'm a priest. lol
I was thinking you were a victim, and that's why you are so full of hatred and revenge.

[EVAY]

As long as we're speculating about the motives of others, mightn't there have been professional reasons as well? Georgetown Law is well-regarded, isn't it?

As in most graduate programs, they have a better reputation in some areas than in others. It is my understanding that it may not be the best corporate law program in the country, but it is supposedly one the 5 finest with respect to constitutional and political law.

[elbamba]

As long as we're speculating about the motives of others, mightn't there have been professional reasons as well? Georgetown Law is well-regarded, isn't it?

Yes. But again, she could choose just about any school if she can qualify for Georgetown. Going to lawschool at any of the top 50 schools will grant her plenty of professional opportunities. Testifing before congress demonstrates that she is a bit of a crusader for contraception. Nothing wrong with that. But someone that smart should also be smart enough to check to see what insurance the school offers. If its that big of a deal, go to another top 10 school. Virgina is about 21/2 hours away as is William and Mary.

[elbamba]

As in most graduate programs, they have a better reputation in some areas than in others. It is my understanding that it may not be the best corporate law program in the country, but it is supposedly one the 5 finest with respect to constitutional and political law.

Its a top 20 school. She will be able to buy all the contraception she wants once she graduates.

[Winehole23]

basically, the argument goes like this: Sandra Fluke a bitch, a slut and a hooker because she is a feminist of some kind.

[Winehole23]

because she holds some putatively disreputable political view, and had the temerity to defend it publicly before Congress.

[Winehole23]

am I sympathetic to her plight? not particularly.

but I see her point, even though I do not agree with it, and see nothing dishonorable or even disreputable about advocating a particular point of view, no matter how foolish, grandstanding or misguided it may be.

[Winehole23]

does being outspoken make one a bitch? if so, aren't we all bitches here?

[elbamba]

does being outspoken make one a bitch? if so, aren't we all bitches here?

If directred to me you are asking the wrong person. I don't think she is a bitch and she can fight for whatever message she wants. Nor do I care that sponsers pull out from Limbaugh for what he said. He is a big boy and should answer for his stupidity. Juding the facts that I have seen presented to me through this website and the few other media outlets and the fact that she has made her case public (i.e. going before congress) I can conclude that if it really matters to her, she should have probably picked a different school or just pay the 5-10 dollars a month that contraception costs.

My original point goes to the heart of the matter, or what I take from this is the heart of the matter to me; there is no right to contraception and government should not require insurance companies to provide such coverage. There are insurance companies that provide contraceptionas part of their coverage. There are pleanty of universities that will provide contraception if you just visit the health center.

I have probably dedicated more time to this than I intended when I made my original post.

[elbamba]

aren't we all bitches here?

Absolutely. In the real world most do not have the balls to say what either Fluke or Limbaugh say. I shy away from controversy and it is my job to be disagreeable.

[Wild Cobra]

basically, the argument goes like this: Sandra Fluke a bitch, a slut and a hooker because she is a feminist of some kind.
Really...

I thought it was because she was advocating for others to pay for her sex.

[Drachen]

Really...

I thought it was because she was advocating for others to pay for her sex.

She asked for her insurance to cover birth control. I'll bet you don't know this but someone can take birth control without ever having sex....

Oh, and she pays for her insurance.

[Jacob1983]

So this story is basically not a story anymore right?

[ChumpDumper]

So this story is basically not a story anymore right?Especially the straw men you constructed.

[ploto]

Interesting tidbit I found out doing some digging:

According to Our Sunday Visitor (a Catholic weekly newspaper),



Grading Catholic colleges' health insurance plans

U.S. Catholic colleges have widely disparate levels of compliance with Church teaching when it comes to faculty and staff health insurance plans -- with some offering artificial contraception, abortion, voluntary sterilization and other procedures that conflict with Church teaching in their plans...

Georgetown University provides plans with and without contraception and abortion, according to Julia Green Bataille, associate vice president for communications. Georgetown University's two plans that include abortion and artificial contraception are fully insured and therefore legally required to include state coverage guidelines, said Bataille. The District of Columbia, where Georgetown is located, does not mandate either contraception or abortion, according to a table compiled by the National Catholic Bioethics Center. Bataille said Georgetown benefit managers say because the plans are also licensed in Maryland and Virginia, states with contraceptive mandates, they must cover contraception. She did not explain why abortion is covered...

http://www.projectsycamore.com/media/images/bulletins/111020/OSVins.pdf

[JoeChalupa]

I just heard on The Last Word that advertising on Rush's show has been suspended.

[Drachen]

I just heard on The Last Word that advertising on Rush's show has been suspended.

What does that mean?

[spursncowboys]

Limbaugh explained how his radio advertising works and dispelled what he called “misinformation about his sponsors” on his show, explaining that the “lost sponsors” are actually local advertisers who simply requested that their commercials not run during Rush’s show

[Winehole23]

They’ve specifically asked that you schedule their commercials in dayparts or programs free of content that you know are deemed to be offensive or controversial (for example, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Tom Leykis, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity). Those are defined as environments likely to stir negative sentiment from a very small percentage of the listening public.”http://www.radio-info.com/news/when-it-comes-to-advertisers-avoiding-controversial-shows-its-not-just-rush

[Winehole23]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/85058542/Premiere-Networks-List-Of-Advertisers-Asking-Not-To-Advertise-On-Limbaugh-And-Other-Right-Wing-Hosts

[Winehole23]

http://pinterest.com/thinkprogress/companies-no-longer-advertising-on-rush-limbaugh/

[DarrinS]

Like the dung beetle pushing along a turd, WH keeps this shit moving.

[Winehole23]

it's a current events forum. sorry you don't like updates and other relevant things.

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin prefers to be ignorant.

It's his nature.

[Wild Cobra]

She asked for her insurance to cover birth control. I'll bet you don't know this but someone can take birth control without ever having sex....

Oh, and she pays for her insurance.

And everyone eases insurance in the same pool goes up too.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/85058542/Premiere-Networks-List-Of-Advertisers-Asking-Not-To-Advertise-On-Limbaugh-And-Other-Right-Wing-Hosts

LOL...

Businesses catering to libtards...

must want to distance themselves from the self center claims.

[Drachen]

And everyone eases insurance in the same pool goes up too.

You are correct that the premuim cost of those in her pool would be affected.... unless a new pool is created. Also, she pays for procedures and medicine for others in her pool that she will never use.

Also, lest you think that the conversation has been "framed" for me as a woman's health issue, my wife uses birth control to control the growth of some painful cysts. It takes an act of congress for them to approve the right kind (they cover birth control for pregnancy prevention, but apparently only the cheap kind which doesn't work for her health purposes). I can only imagine how hard it would be for a company who doesn't cover birth control at all.

[EVAY]

http://pinterest.com/thinkprogress/companies-no-longer-advertising-on-rush-limbaugh/

Is that for real or joke?

[Winehole23]

it's a "list" of companies who have pulled their ads from Rush's show.

[clambake]

he had nbc as a sponsor? irony

[xrayzebra]

Divided by 600+ stations how will that affect him? I noticed the other day he
had one of his "major" sponsor's back. Lifelock.

[Winehole23]

Mike Huckabee takes on (http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/03/11/david-frum-mike-huckabee-brings-on-rush-limbaugh-s-decline.html) Rush in 100 markets in the 12pm-3pm slot

[EVAY]

it's a "list" of companies who have pulled their ads from Rush's show.

Well I realize that is what it said. I just wondered if the group that put the list together was being serious or joking. I don't know anything about the reliability of the site. That's all I meant. There just seemed to be so many!

[DarrinS]

Is this fake controversy still brewing?

[clambake]

Is this fake controversy still brewing?

ask rush.

[Winehole23]

Well I realize that is what it said. I just wondered if the group that put the list together was being serious or joking. I don't know anything about the reliability of the site. That's all I meant. There just seemed to be so many!50 or so advertisers have dropped Rush entirely, 90 or so more have requested that their ads not be run on Rush, Savage or other "controversial" shows.

[Wild Cobra]

50 or so advertisers have dropped Rush entirely, 90 or so more have requested that their ads not be run on Rush, Savage or other "controversial" shows.

What is the breakdown between national and local sponsors?

[Winehole23]

dunno

[Winehole23]

have you checked the links?

[Wild Cobra]

have you checked the links?
Apparently you haven't. They are just advertisement links. I have looked for quotes. Please show me where Sears Holdings made the claimed statement.

Sears Holding's Press Releases (http://www.searsholdings.com/pubrel/index.jsp)

I searched others, and could not find them. The Allstate one is from facebook. Did it come from the corporate Allstate, or an individual office? Couldn't find it either.

Still looking, but haven't found any.

[Wild Cobra]

OK, I did find the Carbonite one:

A Message from Carbonite CEO, David Friend Regarding Ads on Limbaugh (http://www.carbonite.com/en/blog/A-Message-from-Carbonite-CEO-David-Friend-Regarding-Ads-on-Limbaugh)

[RandomGuy]

MAHER: To compare that to Rush is ridiculous - he went after a civilian about very specific behavior, that was a lie, speaking for a party that has systematically gone after women's rights all year, on the public airwaves. I used a rude word about a public figure who gives as good as she gets, who's called people "terrorist" and "unAmerican." Sarah Barracuda. The First Amendment was specifically designed for citizens to insult politicians. Libel laws were written to protect law students speaking out on political issues from getting called whores by Oxycontin addicts.

+1

http://gma.yahoo.com/four-questions-bill-maher-090047377--abc-news.html

[RandomGuy]

MAHER: Of course if you take out of context over 10 years snippets inside comedy bits you can make anyone look bad - and sometimes, I have been! Not perfect, but not misogyny. In general, this is an obvious right wing attempt to dredge up some old shit about me to deflect from their self-inflicted problems. They are the kings of false equivalencies.

And through it all, I have defended Rush's right to stay on the air! Not what he said, that was disgusting - but the right to not disappear because people who don't even listen to you don't like what you said. That really bothers me. I never hear Rush Limbaugh unless a guy in the next truck at a stop light has it on; it would be arrogant for me to say "he has to disappear" and deprive the people who do listen to him of what they like. We all have different tastes and different opinions, that's America

From the same quick interview.

[RandomGuy]

Maybe we could ask vy.

Do Rush's comments rise to the level of libel or slander?

[RandomGuy]

slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease, or being unable to perform one's occupation are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious, and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much if not more than printed publications. (

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/slander

[RandomGuy]

libel 1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others. Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie. Publication need only be to one person, but it must be a statement which claims to be fact, and is not clearly identified as an opinion. While it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm and is untrue. Proof of malice, however, does allow a party defamed to sue for "general damages" for damage to reputation, while an inadvertent libel limits the damages to actual harm (such as loss of business) called "special damages." "Libel per se" involves statements so vicious that malice is assumed and does not require a proof of intent to get an award of general damages. Libel against the reputation of a person who has died will allow surviving members of the family to bring an action for damages.

Most states provide for a party defamed by a periodical to demand a published retraction. If the correction is made, then there is no right to file a lawsuit.

He kept doubling down on it.

Then stopped.

I think the lawyers told him "she can sue your socks off, you dumb fuck", and that is the only reason he took it back.

Not because he was sorry, but because he didn't want to be deprived of any precious money, IMO. He has never been sorry for anything, unless it affected him financially.

[elbamba]

He kept doubling down on it.

Then stopped.

I think the lawyers told him "she can sue your socks off, you dumb fuck", and that is the only reason he took it back.

Not because he was sorry, but because he didn't want to be deprived of any precious money, IMO. He has never been sorry for anything, unless it affected him financially.

I hate taking the side of Rush, but I completely disagree with Mahrs rebuttal. Fluke made a public statement in testimony before congress. New stations across the country picked up that story and ran with it. Fluke has appeared on several news shows like Headline News and talk shows like the View. She has made herself a public figure, not a politician, but this is why Paris Hilton, Brittney Speirs and any other movie star/singer/ famous persons have a damn near impossible time suing for libel/slander/defamation.

I don't know why Rush apologized nor do I care why. Fluke would have no case against him and any suit filed would be for publicity purposes only. Rush would probably grow his listenership and sponsors. JMHO.

[Wild Cobra]

I don't know why Rush apologized nor do I care why. Fluke would have no case against him and any suit filed would be for publicity purposes only. Rush would probably grow his listenership and sponsors. JMHO.
I think is a given that the more the left makes of this incident, the more listeners Rush will get. Sponsors... I'm sure he will have no problem there as well.

[RandomGuy]

I hate taking the side of Rush, but I completely disagree with Mahrs rebuttal. Fluke made a public statement in testimony before congress.

So if you were called to give your opinion to congress, that gives anyone who disagrees with your opinion license to say something similar?

This isn't really a public figure beyond that single statement.

Even so, no one deserves that kind of shit.

[elbamba]

So if you were called to give your opinion to congress, that gives anyone who disagrees with your opinion license to say something similar?

This isn't really a public figure beyond that single statement.

Even so, no one deserves that kind of shit.

Sure, freedom of speech. I don't believe women are a protected class covered under any hate crime law nor do I beieve that speech would be illegal. Not that I am an expert on the subject. If I were Fluke looking for a case against Rush she might have to look to see if there is some form of violation of the FCC.

Defamation is one of the hardest torts to prove. When I started my private practice several years ago, I learned this the hard way. The burden is almost impossible to meet. She has no case and Rush has money to burn in his defense.

THe number of statements do not make a difference. The setting of the speech makes all the difference. Her appearing on talk shows and cable news programs just reinforces that she has become a "public figure". Again, I am no expert on this subject, but under my understanding of defamation, she loses.

You have no argument from me that no one deserves what Rush said. No one deserves what Bill Mahr said either, but this is America and we have to live with free speech, even when we absolutely hate it. Its why people can see things like God Hates Fags at soldiers funerals and we just have to shut up and take it.

Again, I am not here to defend Rush. He is a big boy and should take full responsibility for his words. I also disagree with BM in that, people who are offended by someone's words should ban together to boycott Rush or his sponsors if they feel so passionate about it.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Sure, freedom of speech. I don't believe women are a protected class covered under any hate crime law nor do I beieve that speech would be illegal. Not that I am an expert on the subject. If I were Fluke looking for a case against Rush she might have to look to see if there is some form of violation of the FCC.

Defamation is one of the hardest torts to prove. When I started my private practice several years ago, I learned this the hard way. The burden is almost impossible to meet. She has no case and Rush has money to burn in his defense.

THe number of statements do not make a difference. The setting of the speech makes all the difference. Her appearing on talk shows and cable news programs just reinforces that she has become a "public figure". Again, I am no expert on this subject, but under my understanding of defamation, she loses.

You have no argument from me that no one deserves what Rush said. No one deserves what Bill Mahr said either, but this is America and we have to live with free speech, even when we absolutely hate it. Its why people can see things like God Hates Fags at soldiers funerals and we just have to shut up and take it.

Again, I am not here to defend Rush. He is a big boy and should take full responsibility for his words. I also disagree with BM in that, people who are offended by someone's words should ban together to boycott Rush or his sponsors if they feel so passionate about it.

The freedom of the people to group together to make their voices louder is what freedom is all about. Hell yeah the people should ban together to get things done. 1 finger pointing out a wrong is one thing but put those 5 fingers together and you can make a fist and hit back harder!!

[spursncowboys]

Is that for real or joke?

Yeah lifetime used to be a sponsor...

[spursncowboys]

The freedom of the people to group together to make their voices louder is what freedom is all about. Hell yeah the people should ban together to get things done. 1 finger pointing out a wrong is one thing but put those 5 fingers together and you can make a fist and hit back harder!!

:lmao go burn a bra.

[clambake]

just shut up, asshole

[spursncowboys]

When are these same women going after CBS, HBO and Politico?

[JohnnyMarzetti]

:lmao go burn a bra.

Hey, keep your damn fetishes to yourself you unAmerican bastard!!

[boutons_deux]

Willard Gecko's Bain owns (most of) Clear Channel which owns the company that pays RL $38M/year.

Think Clear Channel's hate radio foamers and slanderers will be pimping Willard and trashing Hussein?

[boutons_deux]

http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/article_imgs6/6177-doonesbury-abortion-day2-stacked-032012.jpg

[boutons_deux]

http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/article_imgs6/6168-doonesbury-abortion-cartoon-1-031212.jpg

[boutons_deux]

http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/article_imgs6/6168-doonesbury-abortion-cartoon-1-stack-031212.jpg.jpg