Rush Limbaugh finally apologizes..too late?

[JoeChalupa]

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668

"My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir."

~~Well duh. I think he had no real intentions of ever apologizing but he was losing advertisers and I'm sure he did get some pressure from some of the GOP although they would never say it publicly to do so.
George Will and Peggy Noonan and Eric Cantor all said this morning that Rush's comments were totally uncalled for and rude and crude. Peggy said what many already know...the GOP is unwilling or scared to call our Rush.
Kudos for all of them on doing so.

[boutons_deux]

bullshit

Only after the nationwide revulsion did the Repugs, scared shitless and balless by RL, say he screwed up.

Where were they in the first hour after his hateful spew about the girl?

They're craven, gutless bandwagoners.

[clambake]

the guy is loadin up on lard again. gonna snap that lap band.

[boutons_deux]

He has listeners at about 15M/week

Limbaugh's Audience Size? It's Largely Up in the Air

Limbaugh is widely acknowledged to be the most popular talk-radio host, as evidenced by the record $400 million, eight-year contract he signed with his syndicator last July.

His three-hour daily program is carried on more than 600 domestic stations,

80 percent of his audience identified themselves as "conservative."

( aka, the deeply sincere "family values" crowd. :lol )

Limbaugh typically attracts about 14.25 million listeners weekly

Limbaugh's weekly audience eclipses all other nationally syndicated personalities, including conservatives Sean Hannity (13.25 million), Michael Savage (8.25 million) and Laura Ingraham (5.5 million),

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/06/AR2009030603435.html

[spursncowboys]

If his advertisers don't want to reach 20 million/day people who are above the average median then that is their loss. When the smoke settles, they'll be back, like McD's and Kobe.

[ChumpDumper]

If his advertisers don't want to reach 20 million/day people who are above the average median then that is their loss. When the smoke settles, they'll be back, like McD's and Kobe.They'll be back because Rush got on his knees and begged them not to leave by apologizing.

[EVAY]

As I said in the other thread on this, he is trying to stanch the revenue loss by this fake apology, but there is still some question whether or not Georgetown Law is going to let it go. Before the apology, they were putting together a complaint to file. I don't know the law well enough to know if the apology stops that or not. But it would be kinda nice to see Rush have to actually pay the consequences of his drug addicted, misogynistic tirades.

[spursncowboys]

Rush signed a 400 million contract in 08. I doubt he gives a shit about the five co. who pulled their advertisement. I think it has more to do with bringing more money to the dems.

[ChumpDumper]

Rush signed a 400 million contract in 08. I doubt he gives a shit about the five co. who pulled their advertisement. I think it has more to do with bringing more money to the dems.Rush apologized to bring more money to the Democrats.

Great thinking!

[Wild Cobra]

As I said in the other thread on this, he is trying to stanch the revenue loss by this fake apology, but there is still some question whether or not Georgetown Law is going to let it go. Before the apology, they were putting together a complaint to file. I don't know the law well enough to know if the apology stops that or not. But it would be kinda nice to see Rush have to actually pay the consequences of his drug addicted, misogynistic tirades.
What did Rush say to where they would have a case against him?

I hear all this talk, but no quotes in context.

I agree. it wasn't really an apology. He effectively said his choice of words was poor.

[ChumpDumper]

At least three of his sponsors told Rush he can go fuck himself with his apology.

[Wild Cobra]

At least three of his sponsors told Rush he can go fuck himself with his apology.
That's their problem. Seven, out of how many?

[Jacob1983]

People love to hate on Rush but he is great at what he does. He is selling a message to people and he does it well. I really don't think he supports a lot of the crap he claims to support. I think most of it is a part of his talk show host character.
Besides, this is America. No one is making you listen to Rush Limbaugh on the radio. If you don't want to listen to his shit, don't listen.

[Wild Cobra]

People love to hate on Rush but he is great at what he does. He is selling a message to people and he does it well. I really don't think he supports a lot of the crap he claims to support. I think most of it is a part of his talk show host character.
Besides, this is America. No one is making you listen to Rush Limbaugh on the radio. If you don't want to listen to his shit, don't listen.
I used to listen to Rush some years back. He does get a bit excessive in his attacks at times. Still, at the same time, I have no sympathy for Ms. Fluke. She is a Feminist activist, and seeks out opportunity for her agenda, like Rush does. They are just on opposite sides.

[ChumpDumper]

That's their problem. Seven, out of how many?No, it's Rush's problem.

That's why he apologized.

[ChumpDumper]

People love to hate on Rush but he is great at what he does. He is selling a message to people and he does it well. I really don't think he supports a lot of the crap he claims to support. I think most of it is a part of his talk show host character.
Besides, this is America. No one is making you listen to Rush Limbaugh on the radio. If you don't want to listen to his shit, don't listen.Or, conversely, don't advertise on his show.

[Wild Cobra]

No, it's Rush's problem.

That's why he apologized.
I don't consider his words an apology. Do you?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't consider his words an apology. Do you?Of course you don't.

You're an idiot.

It's a lame, self-serving apology, but there it is.

[Wild Cobra]

Of course you don't.

You're an idiot.

LOL...

True to form again.

In a strict definition, it is an apology. I will stand corrected on that. However, there was nothing heartfelt about it, and no forgiveness asked. It wasn't what most people actually expect an apology to be.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL...

True to form again.

In a strict definition, it is an apology. I will stand corrected on that. However, there was nothing heartfelt about it, and no forgiveness asked. It wasn't what most people actually expect an apology to be.Right, that's because Rush is an asshole.

That's why the sponsors told him to fuck himself.

[Jacob1983]

I don't have any sympathy for the bitch because she's acting like a victim. And the media is acting like Rush Limbaugh raped her or something. America is becoming a country that is full of cry babies and pussies.

If this woman doesn't want to get pregnant, why doesn't she make her man wear a rubber or tell him not to explode inside her? I mean seriously, this bitch is acting like birth control pills are magic pills or something.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't have any sympathy for the bitch because she's acting like a victim. And the media is acting like Rush Limbaugh raped her or something. America is becoming a country that is full of cry babies and pussies.

If this woman doesn't want to get pregnant, why doesn't she make her man wear a rubber or tell him not to explode inside her? I mean seriously, this bitch is acting like birth control pills are magic pills or something.Twat.

[Jacob1983]

If you care so much about this Sandra Fluke woman and other oppressed women, why don't you pay for their birth control pills and abortions? Are you up to the challenge?

[ChumpDumper]

If you care so much about this Sandra Fluke woman and other oppressed women, why don't you pay for their birth control pills and abortions? Are you up to the challenge?Who said I cared about her?

[Jacob1983]

You want Uncle Sam to give out free abortions and free birth control pills. She wants free birth control pills and free abortions. I did the math.

If you are so passionate about these liberal causes, why not step up and foot the bill?

[Wild Cobra]

You want Uncle Sam to give out free abortions and free birth control pills. She wants free birth control pills and free abortions. I did the math.

If you are so passionate about these liberal causes, why not step up and foot the bill?

On several occasions, I have challenged those who want to use tax payer dollars, to instead, start a charity for the cause they believe in. Ask for donations. They can then set the rules and have something to be proud of.

[Jacob1983]

Regular people and celebs will not do that. They would rather bitch and whine about the issue and throw stones at anyone that oppose.

This whole controversy is a joke. This just shows you how much of a joke Obama's presidency has been and how pathetic American society is.


Our economy is still shitty, Israel wants to bomb Iran, and we're in debt up to our eyeballs and people want to bitch about free abortions and free birth control pills. It's pathetic.

[Wild Cobra]

Regular people and celebs will not do that. They would rather bitch and whine about the issue and throw stones at anyone that oppose.

This whole controversy is a joke. This just shows you how much of a joke Obama's presidency has been and how pathetic American society is.


Our economy is still shitty, Israel wants to bomb Iran, and we're in debt up to our eyeballs and people want to bitch about free abortions and free birth control pills. It's pathetic.
Yes, too many people are pathetic in this world today.

[Jacob1983]

I can admit that I'm a negative pessimistic prick but I don't just sit around and hold my hand out hoping that the federal government or someone helps me. I work a shitty job that I hate because that's what people do. They do shit that they may not necessarily like in order to survive and give themselves the basic needs of humanity which are food, shelter, and clothing. Nowadays, it's like people don't even want to work for that. They want that shit free.

Shit like abortion and birth control pills aren't necessary to a person's life. You could make the argument that abortion is necessary if the mother's life is at risk. Abortion is baby killing but I wouldn't stop a woman from getting an abortion if it was to save her life or look down on her for doing so.

[ChumpDumper]

lol free abortions

[boutons_deux]

"people don't even want to work for that."

You're one, stupid, ignorant fuckoff

There's still something like 4+ job demanders for every job offered. And that with Ms who are not evens job demanders/"unemployed" because they've quit looking.

Something like 6M jobs lost since the Banksters Great Depression began.

People are losing the homes, going homeless, etc because they can't even find shit jobs.

Lots of middle class unemployed have found shittily paid jobs (your level) and are badly underemployed/overqualified.

So take your St Ronnie Welfare-Queens-in-Cadillac lie and shove it up your ass.

[Jacob1983]

You're honestly going to tell me that America hasn't become an entitlement society?

I don't have a problem with the people that want to work. My problem is with the people that want to be taken care of by Uncle Sam from cradle to grave.

[boutons_deux]

Cowards and Apologies That Aren't

http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/article_imgs2/1603-limbaugh-capitol-hill-030309.jpg

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/10287-cowards-and-apologies-that-arent

[boutons_deux]

You're honestly going to tell me that America hasn't become an entitlement society?

I don't have a problem with the people that want to work. My problem is with the people that want to be taken care of by Uncle Sam from cradle to grave.

You give yourself away using the 1%'s pejorative term "entitlement".

The 1%, the UCA, the super-wealthy are the ones who think, know!, they are entitled to unlimited, predatory, destructive Randian greed.

GFY

[Goran Dragic]

The government would spend less money on an abortion than it would an unplanned child mothered by a crack head who is gonna want to collect welfare on her kid. That's why these stupid bible thumpers complaining about the government spending money on contraception and abortion is hilarious. It's a drop in the bucket.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Yes, too many people are pathetic in this world today.

insightful stuff, WC. you should write a book.

[baseline bum]

Chapter 1: Why I Hate 90% of Black People, Including Surgeons
Chapter 2: The Pussification of America: Why I Would Bring My Rifle to the Border to Shoot Mexican Women and Children
Chapter 3: The Libertarian Guide to Government Mandated Tubal Ligation

[Bill_Brasky]

You want Uncle Sam to give out free abortions and free birth control pills. She wants free birth control pills and free abortions. I did the math.

If you are so passionate about these liberal causes, why not step up and foot the bill?

Paying for birth control is far cheaper than the alternative option of paying for her illegitimate children you fucking loon.

[clambake]

rush crying today, too. i'm sorry i'm sorry, please stop pulling sponsor money!

who's the actual whore now?

[baseline bum]

LOL @ Rush calling his words stepping to the level of the left. :rollin

[Jacob1983]

I don't give a shit. I shouldn't have to be paying for the birth control pills that are going to dumbass couples. They want them so bad, why don't they buy them?

[Goran Dragic]

:lol Jacob prolly pays nothing in taxes given that during his xanax rant he mentioned how pathetic his income is.

:lol bitching about where the 5 bucks you pay in taxes goes

[Jacob1983]

I paid about 1000 dollars last year in income taxes, fuck ass.

[ChumpDumper]

Free abortions!

[Goran Dragic]

I paid about 1000 dollars last year in income taxes, fuck ass.
:lol less than $1 of that went to contraception and abortion payments

:lol thinking "your taxes" paid for any contraception or abortions

[Jacob1983]

Okay.

[boutons_deux]

Limbaugh: ‘I acted too much like the leftists’

Rush Limbaugh on Monday insisted that his apology for calling a Georgetown University law student a “slut” was “heartfelt,” adding that liberals were to blame for the whole incident.

In a statement on his website over the weekend, the conservative radio host said he “sincerely” apologized to Sandra Fluke, who had testified before Congress about the need for contraception coverage at colleges and universities, even if they are owned by religious institutions.

“I don’t expect — and I know you don’t either — morality, intellectual honesty from the left,” Limbaugh told his listeners on Monday. “They’ve demonstrated over and over a willingness to say or do anything to advance their agenda. It’s what they do. It’s what we fight against here every day.”

“But this is the mistake I made: In fighting them on this issue last week, I became like them. Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything I know to be right and wrong, I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error.”

He continued: “I feel very badly about that. I’ve always tried to maintain a very high degree if integrity and independence on this program. Nevertheless, those two words were inappropriate. They were uncalled for. They distracted from the point that I was actually trying to make. And I again sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for using those two words to describe her. I do not think she is either of those two words. I did not think last week that she is either of those two words. The apology to her over the weekend was sincere.”

Following a commercial break, Limbaugh returned to attacking liberals for his smear of Fluke.

“I used satire, I used absurdity to illustrate the absurd,” he said. “This story at the Cybercast News Service which characterized a portion of her testimony as sounding like — based on her own financial figures — that she was engaging in sexual activity so often that she couldn’t afford it. I focused on that because it was simple, trying to persuade people, change people’s minds.”

“I acted too much like the leftists who despise me. … It’s what we know and have come to expect from them, but it’s way beneath me.”

As of Monday, at least nine companies had suspended their radio advertisements on Limbaugh’s program.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/05/limbaugh-i-acted-too-much-like-the-leftists/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29&utm_content=Google+Reader

There millions of Repugs, conservatives, bubbas, red-staters who will believe the ultimate bullshit above. The librul debbil made him do it.

[Jacob1983]

Can someone explain to me how that bitch is a hero? What was heroic about going to Washington D.C. and bitching about not getting birth control pills and abortions for free?
Why didn't she bitch to her man or parents about this and get them to pay for it?
And why should a college pay for their students medical shit? When I went to college, I was responsible for that shit myself.

[ChumpDumper]

She did so much better in college than you did.

[Jacob1983]

Anything else, shit taker?

[boutons_deux]

"how that bitch is a hero"

straw woman. Your words, not mine.

She's not a hero, but it does take more balls than most people, esp dickless right-wingers, to want to go before Congress.

She didn't ask to be slandered by Limpdick, for like 4 days now. Her fame was totally created by Limpdick, not herself.

[Capt Bringdown]

The One Percenters love the culture wars - what an excellent distraction from the class war.

[ploto]

And why should a college pay for their students medical shit? When I went to college, I was responsible for that shit myself.

Student-paid health insurance plan.


For all students, good health is essential to achieving educational goals. Because maintaining good health requires access to health care when you need it, Georgetown University requires the students described below to have health insurance.

•Most students who are charged Georgetown University tuition and registered in resident thesis research or registered for nine or more credit hours in a GU degree program (eight or more credit hours if a law or graduate student) are eligible and required to enroll in the most comprehensive student injury and sickness plan offered through the University, unless their other insurance coverage meets specific University requirements.

A charge for this Premier Plan is placed on eligible students' accounts, per their registration status referenced above, once per Academic Year.

Students are required to pay for the university program unless their own insurance through either their parents, spouse, job... meets certain requirements set by the university.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This guy has been the leading conservative voice of the last three decades. A demagogue that directs political will is not my preference.

[Capt Bringdown]

Rush's big ally: The army (http://open.salon.com/blog/heather_michon/2012/03/05/should_rush_limbaugh_be_on_the_armed_forces_radio_ network)
A government-funded radio station beams Limbaugh to service members around the globe

One of Rush's biggest enablers has so far escaped attention: the Armed Forces Network. For years, Limbaugh's show has been beamed around the globe to service members, military support staff and families. Other attempts have been made to remove him from that network and have failed.

In his more customized attacks on Fluke, it's easy to overlook the fact that Limbaugh has a two-decade long track record of classifying women as inferior goods. This is the man who coined the term "Feminazi," who once stated that "feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream." In Rush World, most women are either babes, sluts or whores. They're cunning and manipulative or whiny and weak. There's not much middle ground.

So the question becomes: does Limbaugh's brand of misogyny really have a place on government-funded airwaves? Particularly when it's beamed to a military where some 30% of American servicewomen are sexually assaulted by fellow soldiers at some point in their deployment? Does he foster a view of women and their role in society that allows our servicewomen to be seen by fellow soldiers as comrades and equals?

- more - (http://open.salon.com/blog/heather_michon/2012/03/05/should_rush_limbaugh_be_on_the_armed_forces_radio_ network)

[Blake]

Chapter 1: Why I Hate 90% of Black People, Including Surgeons
Chapter 2: The Pussification of America: Why I Would Bring My Rifle to the Border to Shoot Mexican Women and Children
Chapter 3: The Libertarian Guide to Government Mandated Tubal Ligation

Chapter 4: Flag Lots

[jack sommerset]

Rush has been married four times, I doubt he respects women for the most part but for him to apologize for calling the women a slut is a start. I do believe him to a point when he blames liberals for his comment. Politics is a dirty business as you all know and Rush is on a big stage trying to keep up. Time will tell if Rush has learned his lesson here.

"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope."

[ChumpDumper]

Anything else, shit taker?Nothing else needed. She's a better person than you could ever hope to be.

[Wild Cobra]

Anyone ever notice how the left makes sure there is national attention when one of their own is called a name that has a small measure of truth, but will continually attack and call Palin's daughter a slut, make like hard of Joe the Plumber, for no good reason, and never apologize...

The left is full of hypocrites.

I agree, Rush's mistake was thinking he could be as nasty as the left.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Anyone ever notice how the left makes sure there is national attention when one of their own is called a name that has a small measure of truth, but will continually attack and call Palin's daughter a slut, make like hard of Joe the Plumber, for no good reason, and never apologize...

The left is full of hypocrites.

I agree, Rush's mistake was thinking he could be as nasty as the left.

Who are these people in the national media that call Ms. Palin a slut?

[Jacob1983]

Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a the c-word but he was not asked to apologize or quit or be fired. It's a double standard. If you can't see that, you are a fucking idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a the c-word but he was not asked to apologize or quit or be fired. It's a double standard. If you can't see that, you are a fucking idiot.

Everyone here already knows Fuzzy is a fucking idiot. His liberal pals here are such hypocrites, they won't say so though.

[ChumpDumper]

Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a the c-word but he was not asked to apologize or quit or be fired. It's a double standard. If you can't see that, you are a fucking idiot.Who are his advertisers?

Give me a list.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a the c-word but he was not asked to apologize or quit or be fired. It's a double standard. If you can't see that, you are a fucking idiot.

He called her a Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_? And women do not like that word at all thats not nice.

Did he say anything about Limbaugh's comments?

[CosmicCowboy]

Oh, the horror! That POOR WOMAN! Just because she is a professional insurance rights advocate was no reason for Rush to pick on her...

[ChumpDumper]

It must really hurt that Rush had to grovel so publicly.

[Winehole23]

calling her a slut and a pro was neither accurate nor professional

[CosmicCowboy]

Although it does seem to be turning out that she really was an insurance advocacy provocateur professional and not just some innocent law student as she was represented to congress. I thought that was interesting.

[ChumpDumper]

Although it does seem to be turning out that she really was an insurance advocacy provocateur professional and not just some innocent law student as she was represented to congress. I thought that was interesting.What difference does that make?

[CosmicCowboy]

What difference does that make?

Obviously none to you.

[clambake]

are you saying she was a deliberate plant?

[CosmicCowboy]

are you saying she was a deliberate plant?

Certainly looks that way.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/sandra-fluke-gender-reassignment-and-health-insurance

[clambake]

and rush ran right into it.

pretty funny, tbh.

[Winehole23]

Although it does seem to be turning out that she really was an insurance advocacy provocateur professional and not just some innocent law student as she was represented to congress. I thought that was interesting.Law school is a serious investment; pregnancy can derail it and one's future prospects in the field in one swell foop.

Hardly matters for the argument made if she isn't a law student.

[CosmicCowboy]

Law school is a serious investment; pregnancy can derail it and one's future prospects in the field in one swell foop.

Hardly matters for the argument made if she isn't a law student.

Oh please...nobody said she had to buy the basic student health plan offered by Georgetown. If she wanted a health plan that paid for contraception they are easily acquired. You just pay a higher premium...the bigger the benefits, the higher the premium...you do understand how that works, I presume?

[clambake]

might not be able to get a better policy.......with her being a whore and what not!

[Winehole23]

Certainly looks that way.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/sandra-fluke-gender-reassignment-and-health-insurancePlanted by whom? Looks to me like she planted herself at Georgetown law.

If she did so for reasons pure political advocacy, as speculated by Mytheos Holt based on Jammie Wearin Fool's reporting, what's wrong with that?

[CosmicCowboy]

And will someone please explain to me how the fuck this bitches contraception was $1000 a year?

Hell you can get an IUD implanted for $500 that lasts 5 years, rubbers are $1 apiece, the pill is as low as $4 a month...why do you guys just swallow that shit without question?

[Winehole23]

Oh please...nobody said she had to buy the basic student health plan offered by Georgetown. If she wanted a health plan that paid for contraception they are easily acquired. You just pay a higher premium...the bigger the benefits, the higher the premium...you do understand how that works, I presume?Sure, but it's a free country. Sandra Fluke can protest that if she wants, even demand that gender reassignment be covered. That doesn't make her a slut or a prostitute in any way.

[Bill_Brasky]

Anyone ever notice how the left makes sure there is national attention when one of their own is called a name that has a small measure of truth, but will continually attack and call Palin's daughter a slut, make like hard of Joe the Plumber, for no good reason, and never apologize...

The left is full of hypocrites.

I agree, Rush's mistake was thinking he could be as nasty as the left.

:lol using Maher as an example

1. It's pretty common knowlege that he's a condescending twat

2. He's on HBO, not government funded radio

3. This isn't about left and right anyway, as much as you would love it to be. Really not surprised that a retard is defending Rush Limbaugh here.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sure, but it's a free country. Sandra Fluke can protest that if she wants, even demand that gender reassignment be covered. That doesn't make her a slut or a prostitute in any way.

I'll admit rush got a little carried away...:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

Sure, but it's a free country. Sandra Fluke can protest that if she wants, even demand that gender reassignment be covered. That doesn't make her a slut or a prostitute in any way.

But who is the "they" that is supposed to cover all these things for free?

[ChumpDumper]

Obviously none to you.What difference does it make to you?

Be specific.

[Winehole23]

And will someone please explain to me how the fuck this bitches contraception was $1000 a year?
Dunno, tbh.

If, arguendo, birth control ought to be covered by Georgetown as a matter of equity, the cost is immaterial.

[CosmicCowboy]

What difference does it make to you?

Be specific.

Easy. If she is a professional insurance rights advocate planted in that congressional committee hearing under the guise of being an "innocent law student" I have ZERO sympathy for her taking a little heat.

[Winehole23]

is she?

[clambake]

who's taking the heat?

[Winehole23]

But who is the "they" that is supposed to cover all these things for free?Georgetown University?

[CosmicCowboy]

Dunno, tbh.

If, arguendo, birth control ought to be covered by Georgetown as a matter of equity , the cost is immaterial.

Why would the issue be framed as a matter of equity?

[ChumpDumper]

Easy. If she is a professional insurance rights advocate planted in that congressional committee hearing under the guise of being an "innocent law student" I have ZERO sympathy for her taking a little heat.So calling her a slut was justified to you because she is good at making a political case.

Please explain further.

[Winehole23]

Why would the issue be framed as a matter of equity?it is already framed as a matter of gender equity, profe.

[CosmicCowboy]

Georgetown University?
And why should Georgetown University be forced to furnish female students contraception for free?

[CosmicCowboy]

*

[CosmicCowboy]

So calling her a slut was justified to you because she is good at making a political case.

Please explain further.

I didn't say that. I am discussing her less than innocent (as presented) role. I already stated Rush went overboard.

Please try to keep up.

[ChumpDumper]

And why should Georgetown University be forced to furnish female students contraception for free?My understanding is insurance is not free, but maybe you know more about this particular policy.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't say that. I am discussing her less than innocent (as presented) role. I already stated Rush went overboard.

Please try to keep up.So it really makes no difference to you.

Make up your mind.

[Winehole23]

And why should Georgetown University be forced to furnish female students contraception for free?I'm not making the argument it should. That's Sandra Fluke's hobby horse.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not making the argument it should. That's Sandra Fluke's hobby horse.Board Republicans can't separate the issues.

[CosmicCowboy]

My understanding is insurance is not free, but maybe you know more about this particular policy.

As an educated consumer of insurance for my company I know that the cost of insurance rises or falls depending on the level of insurance coverage, specific items you do or don't cover, deductibles, maximum out of pocket, etc. that you choose.

What part of this are you not understanding?

[Winehole23]

though as pointed out, having medication covered by an insurance plan one pays for is hardly free

[ChumpDumper]

As an educated consumer of insurance for my company I know that the cost of insurance rises or falls depending on the level of insurance coverage, specific items you do or don't cover, deductibles, maximum out of pocket, etc. that you choose.

What part of this are you not understanding?So it's not free.

Thanks for clearing that up for yourself.

[Winehole23]

So it really makes no difference to you.

Make up your mind. on record calling her a bitch, fwiw

[CosmicCowboy]

though as pointed out, having medication covered by an insurance plan one pays for is hardly free

It is if the premium paid is based on the exclusion of coverage for said medication.

[ChumpDumper]

on record calling her a bitch, fwiwOf course.

I expect nothing less.

[CosmicCowboy]

So it's not free.

Thanks for clearing that up for yourself.

So she didn't pay for contraceptive coverage when she paid her basic premium.

how is that so difficult to grasp?

[Winehole23]

It is if the premium paid is based on the exclusion of coverage for said medication.this matters why?

[ChumpDumper]

It is if the premium paid is based on the exclusion of coverage for said medication.So you're saying they have a lockbox?

[CosmicCowboy]

So you're saying they have a lockbox?

What the fuck are you talking about?

[ChumpDumper]

So she didn't pay for contraceptive coverage when she paid her basic premium.

how is that so difficult to grasp?Medication and treatment coverage changes all the time. What wasn't covered by premiums before becomes covered by premiums.

This is an amazingly weak argument. Did you think it up yourself or did you get it from one of your secret sources?

[ChumpDumper]

What the fuck are you talking about?It's your stupid argument. You explain it.

[101A]

though as pointed out, having medication covered by an insurance plan one pays for is hardly free

Ironically, the net cost will necessarily be higher.

[Winehole23]

So she didn't pay for contraceptive coverage when she paid her basic premium.

how is that so difficult to grasp?It's not.

Fluke is protesting policies related to birth control coverage. She thinks she ought not have to pay a premium for it. How is that so difficult to grasp?

[CosmicCowboy]

Medication and treatment coverage changes all the time. What wasn't covered by premiums before becomes covered by premiums.

This is an amazingly weak argument. Did you think it up yourself or did you get it from one of your secret sources?

Do you not know ANYTHING about how insurance works? It's done annually by contract. X amount per month for Y amount of coverage. If Y changes at renewal, the X changes as well.

[Winehole23]

Ironically, the net cost will necessarily be higher.I assumed so. How much does BC cost on a per annum basis, btw?

[ChumpDumper]

Ironically, the net cost will necessarily be higher.Compared to the consumer's buying the contraception outside insurance?

[CosmicCowboy]

Compared to the consumer's buying the contraception outside insurance?

Insurance companies are known for trying to make a profit so they are not going to intentionally lose money when they offer a benefit.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you not know ANYTHING about how insurance works? It's done annually by contract. X amount per month for Y amount of coverage. If Y changes at renewal, the X changes as well.Right. That's exactly what I said.

Thanks for clearing that up for yourself. You're doing OK.

[ChumpDumper]

Insurance companies are known for trying to make a profit so they are not going to intentionally lose money when they offer a benefit.That wasn't the question.

Just say you don't know if you don't know.

[clambake]

you'd think providing bc from the standpoint of an insurance company would be a sound business practice.

[CosmicCowboy]

Right. That's exactly what I said.

Thanks for clearing that up for yourself. You're doing OK.

:lmao

beep beep beep goes the backup buzzer

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

beep beep beep goes the backup buzzerYeah, you realized all the mistakes you made in this thread.

If the policy is going to be changed, the premiums will pay for the covered items and treatments in the future contracts.

[CosmicCowboy]

you'd think providing bc from the standpoint of an insurance company would be a sound business practice.

not if they exclude maternity benefits too (which most student policies exclude)

[101A]

I assumed so. How much does BC cost on a per annum basis, btw?

Not enough to hit my radar or for any underwriter to have ever cited it as a reason for any premium adjustment one way or the other, tbh. Again, ironically, considering the national fervor. Birthing babies also insignificant, btw (premature births notwithstanding).

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah, you realized all the mistakes you made in this thread.

You aren't even making sense today. Just give it up.

[ChumpDumper]

You aren't even making sense today. Just give it up.It's not my job to make you understand that you are saying the same things I am.

And you still failed to explain why her political activism makes any difference.

Please keep trying.

[101A]

Compared to the consumer's buying the contraception outside insurance?

Yes. Cost is cost; insurance adds administrative overhead. The "discounts" insurance companies claim are generally B.S. There are LOTS of hands in the till every time an Rx is filled through a PBM.

[clambake]

should rush's policy include tampons for his fresh, new vagina?

[Winehole23]

Board Republicans can't separate the issues.Hard for SpursTalkers in general, tbh.

[101A]

you'd think providing bc from the standpoint of an insurance company would be a sound business practice.

Risk can be calculated (underwritten); what is/is not covered simply changes the risk; in this case, although I don't know what it is; an underwriter could tell to within a few pennies how much this coverage would cost added in or excluded; the only time an insurance company "cares" is when it is risk expense that cannot be predicted - in which case the insurance company insures itself with another carrier that holds that paper with other similar risks until THAT company has enough volume of premium/like category of risk to be able to predict it/underwrite it, and ultimately make a profit off of it.

[clambake]

Risk can be calculated (underwritten); what is/is not covered simply changes the risk; in this case, although I don't know what it is; an underwriter could tell to within a few pennies how much this coverage would cost added in or excluded; the only time an insurance company "cares" is when it is risk expense that cannot be predicted - in which case the insurance company insures itself with another carrier that holds that paper with other similar risks until THAT company has enough volume of premium/like category of risk to be able to predict it/underwrite it, and ultimately make a profit off of it.

unless, like cowboy said, maternity isn't a part of her coverage.

anybody know if her policy covers maternity?

[CosmicCowboy]

unless, like cowboy said, maternity isn't a part of her coverage.

anybody know if her policy covers maternity?

Obviously none of us have seen her policy but I know that when I went to school they offered a basic student policy (in a demographic that is typically young and healthy) that was basically just a catastrophic health care plan...it was cheap but only kicked in on big stuff...you guys that have been to school since I have may have had a different experience...

[clambake]

when we went to school, they had just invented the lightbulb.

[101A]

unless, like cowboy said, maternity isn't a part of her coverage.

anybody know if her policy covers maternity?

Presumably her employer has more than 15 employees; therefore, it has to.

[CosmicCowboy]

Presumably her employer has more than 15 employees; therefore, it has to.

Wasn't she a student and not an employee?

[101A]

Wasn't she a student and not an employee?

She must have been drawing a stipend; I read it to be an employer/employee relationship. (My wife was covered as a grad student at A&M this way)

[RandomGuy]

Limbaugh hasn't really apologized yet, has he?

All this does is simply make him more ratings than he has had in years.

[CosmicCowboy]

Limbaugh hasn't really apologized yet, has he?

All this does is simply make him more ratings than he has had in years.

Yep. Whatever advertisers he loses he will easily replace.

[ChumpDumper]

Limbaugh hasn't really apologized yet, has he?

All this does is simply make him more ratings than he has had in years.Oh yeah, it was a pretty specific and explicit apology.

The sponsor pullout shook him pretty badly.

Of course it was couched in a bunch of bluster and BS, but it was there.

[RandomGuy]

birth control pills aren't necessary to a person's life.

On the contrary they can be literally life saving.

That was the jist of Ms. Flukes testimony, in which she gave a second hand account of a friend with a medically necessary instance where the pill was a life-saving medicine.

[RandomGuy]

Yep. Whatever advertisers he loses he will easily replace.

Possibly.

Lost what? Eleven?

(edit)

Seems to be about right. Count appears to be twelve as of yesterday.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/allstate-sears-join-advertisers-announcing-no-more-ads-on-limbaugh/

At least one radio station has dropped him as well.

[RandomGuy]

http://themoderatevoice.com/140731/whos-advertising-on-the-rush-limbaugh-show/

Interesting bit.

Seems like some of them do bulk buys for the network, and end up on his show simply by dint of his network.


There is a common refrain among some of the smaller organizations: it wasn’t a direct buy. They bought a package to meet x-demographic and had no idea that the Rush Limbaugh Show would be part of that buy. Radio ads as Google keyword ads. Welcome to the world of mass homogenization, where profits trump values.

[ChumpDumper]

Yep. Whatever advertisers he loses he will easily replace.Still hard to see him apologize like that, isn't it?

[CosmicCowboy]

Still hard to see him apologize like that, isn't it?

LOL...I could care less. I find him amusing at times but I'm no die hard supporter.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL...I could care less. I find him amusing at times but I'm no die hard supporter.Sure are posting a lot in a thread about him. I'll take your word on it, I guess.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sure are posting a lot in a thread about him. I'll take your word on it, I guess.

Same could be said about you, chump. Could be we just are bored and like to argue.

[RandomGuy]

Rush Limbaugh's 'slut' apology: 5 reasons it won't silence his critics Limbaugh takes the unusual step of apologizing for his incendiary on-air comments about Georgetown student Sandra Fluke. But "I'm sorry" may not be enough

1. Rush didn't really apologize
Limbaugh's rambling statement belongs in "the bulging archive of inadequate apologies issued by celebrities and media figures whose egos just won't allow for contrition," says Eric Wemple in The Washington Post. Rush could have just said, "I sincerely apologize to Sandra Fluke." But no, Limbaugh had to insert his "incriminating verbiage" about word choice. "Implication: Limbaugh doesn't regret the meaning of what he said; doesn't regret the associations he made; doesn't regret impugning Fluke's integrity across the country." No wonder critics haven't accepted his apology.

2. He still doesn't understand his mistake
Even worse than Limbaugh's "complete refusal to recognize that the uproar... isn't just about name-calling," says J. Bryan Lowder at Slate, is "his offensive misunderstanding of the importance and uses of birth control." Fluke didn't testify about her sex life, but about watching a friend have an ovary removed because she couldn't afford the treatment: Birth control pills, which have "many medical uses aside from contraception." Remember, "many women depend on birth control, not for 'social activities,' but for their basic health," and Limbaugh's galling ignorance of female biology is only amplified by his apology. It's sad we have to explain this, says Violet Socks at Reclusive Leftist, but even if you do use these pills for contraception, "you don't take a pill when you're going to have sex, and you don't take more or less of them depending on your sexual activity."

3. The attacks on Fluke and birth control haven't stopped
Limbaugh's "total fabrication and vicious smear" about Fluke getting taxpayer dollars to have lots of sex has spread to other right-wing talkers like Bill O'Reilly, Michelle Malkin, and Erick Erickson, says John Chandley at Firedoglake. "The memo's gone out: Tell the lie about government paying for sex." I guess that makes this a teachable moment, says Socks. "Taxpayers aren't paying for Sandra Fluke's health care," or any private employer's plan.

4. Liberals smell blood
"Make no mistake, the fight is not over Rush's words," says William Jacobson at Legal Insurrection. The Left's big stink about this "one joke gone bad" is part of a larger "attempt find something, anything, to force Rush off the air." Yes, we liberals do smell "blood in the water," says Barbara O'Brien at The Mahablog. It's about time for Rush "to learn to be afraid of pissing off women."

5. Limbaugh himself may not drop it
Everyone is up in arms about Limbaugh's latest on-air bile, but "this is his job," says Alexandra Petri at The Washington Post. We used to pillory people for the "gift of saying exactly the worst possible thing," but now we give them talk shows. Limbaugh may be losing friends and advertisers, "but ratings have never been higher." More to the point, says Doug Mataconis at Outside the Beltway: You can bet Limbaugh will keep talking about this, and "find a way to spin this to his advantage. He always does."

http://theweek.com/article/index/225159/rush-limbaughs-slut-apology-5-reasons-it-wont-silence-his-critics

[ChumpDumper]

Same could be said about you, chump. Could be we just are bored and like to argue.I'm still wondering why her activism makes a difference to you.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm still wondering why her activism makes a difference to you.

The difference between being a pro and an amateur. Pretty simple.

[ChumpDumper]

The difference between being a pro and an amateur. Pretty simple.Which is?

[Drachen]

I am just going to drop this right here in case y'all are interested.

http://studentaffairs.georgetown.edu/insurance/premierplanbooklet.pdf

[ChumpDumper]

I am just going to drop this right here in case y'all are interested.

http://studentaffairs.georgetown.edu/insurance/premierplanbooklet.pdfWe are clearly no interested, slut.

[CosmicCowboy]

Which is?

Maybe it's just my own personal distinction.

I see it like the difference between a high school athlete and a pro. I've got no problem with some TV newscaster calling a professional athlete a bum because it goes with the territory, but I don't want to see some high school kid trying his best be called a bum by the same guy. The higher the level the higher the scrutiny and the thicker your skin needs to be. If she really is a professional activist that was planted on that committee impersonating an innocent college student then she can expect to play by a rougher rule book.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe it's just my own personal distinction.

I see it like the difference between a high school athlete and a pro. I've got no problem with some TV newscaster calling a professional athlete a bum because it goes with the territory, but I don't want to see some high school kid trying his best be called a bum by the same guy. The higher the level the higher the scrutiny and the thicker your skin needs to be. If she really is a professional activist that was planted on that committee impersonating an innocent college student then she can expect to play by a rougher rule book.I am just going to assume you didn't watch her testimony and are making or up your little characterization there or parroting someone else's.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[CosmicCowboy]

I am just going to assume you didn't watch her testimony and are making or up your little characterization there or parroting someone else's.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I didn't watch it live. did you? I did see part of it on tape.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't watch it live. did you?I'm not the one claiming she is impersonating anything.
I did see part of it on tape.And what part of it led you to the conclusion she was impersonating an innocent college student?

[Winehole23]

The One Percenters love the culture wars - what an excellent distraction from the class war.Your attempt to tear the veil of ideological mystification from our eyes met with far less apparent success than the distraction you bemoaned. Better luck next time. :lol:toast

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I didn't watch it live. did you? I did see part of it on tape.

which part? 'cause I don't see where she's playing the part of an innocent college student...

[CosmicCowboy]

which part?

I particularly remember the part about the alleged $3000 cost and it being equivalent to summer internship earnings. Why is it important to you?

[ChumpDumper]

I particularly remember the part about the alleged $3000 cost and it being equivalent to summer internship earnings. Why is it important to you?That made her appear innocent?

[Winehole23]

Why is it important to you?It isn't really, and yes, I know you weren't talking to me, but it is curious that you made no attempt whatsoever to answer the man's question.

Which part did you see?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I particularly remember the part about the alleged $3000 cost and it being equivalent to summer internship earnings. Why is it important to you?

I amended my statement


which part? 'cause I don't see where she's playing the part of an innocent college student...

[CosmicCowboy]

You guys are correct. She looked like a planted hit piece to advocate "free" contraception.

My faulty assumption was that you guys saw her as an innocent college student.

[Winehole23]

planted by whom?

[Winehole23]

still on the free contraception tip?

smh

[CosmicCowboy]

planted by whom?

I guess you would have to ask her how she just happened to end up in that congressional hearing.

[Winehole23]

oh, scare quotes, right.

[Winehole23]

I guess you would have to ask her how she just happened to end up in that congressional hearing.Presumably it wouldn't be very difficult to find out.

[Winehole23]

You know, if you really cared.

[CosmicCowboy]

You know, if you really cared.

It was YOUR question...

[Winehole23]

It was YOUR question...technically, it was originally MNMNA's. which you still refuse to answer. Why?

[ChumpDumper]

It was YOUR question...It's YOUR assertion she was impersonating an innocent student.

You are failing badly at backing up that claim with anything tangible.

[Winehole23]

substantiate your insinuation that Sandra fluke is a political plant with something other than hand waving.

btw, that's not a question, but the burden of your own claim. what you got?

[mrsmaalox]

still on the free contraception tip?

smh

Yep it's getting pretty old. Here's the transcript of her testimony, I've read it several times and saw the testimony. Will someone please show me the part where she demands free contraception? Or even states that she believes that someone else should pay for her contraception?

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/statement-Congress-letterhead-2nd%20hearing.pdf

[Winehole23]

(besides Mytheos and Jammie Wearin Fool, obviously)

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/meet-sandra-fluke-the-woman-you-didnt-hear-at-congress-contraceptives-hearing/2012/02/16/gIQAJh57HR_blog.html

Meet Sandra Fluke: The woman you didn’t hear at Congress’ contraceptives hearing
Posted by Sarah Kliff at 02:16 PM ET, 02/16/2012
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Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) held a hearing Thursday on the health reform law’s mandated coverage of contraceptives. (Stephen Morton - BLOOMBERG) Congress held a lengthy hearing Thursday morning on the health reform law’s mandated coverage of contraceptives, probing whether the provision violates religious liberties.

The hearing has gotten a lot of attention not necessarily for what happened there, but what didn’t. Namely, no one testified in favor of the contraceptives mandate. Moreover, no women participated in the first, three-hour panel (two women did testify against the provision in the second panel.)

The Democrats did, however, invite one woman to speak: Sandra Fluke, a third-year student at Georgetown Law and past president of the school’s Students for Reproductive Justice group. Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who chaired the hearing, said the minority party had submitted her name too late to be considered (Democrats contest this). I caught her outside the hearing room, and we spoke about what she would have told the committee.

Fluke came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage: She researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. “I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care,” says Fluke, who has spent the past three years lobbying the administration to change its policy on the issue. The issue got the university president’s office last spring, where Georgetown declined to change its policy.

Fluke says she would have used the hearing to talk about the students at Georgetown that don’t have birth control covered, and what that’s meant for them. “I wanted to be able to share their stories,” she says. “My testimony would have been about women who have been affected by their policy, who have medical needs and have suffered dire consequences.. . .The committee did not get to hear real stories I had to share, about actual women who have been dramatically affected by this policy.”

I asked Fluke what she’s learned about reproductive health politics over the past few months, as the nation has debated the role of contraceptives coverage in health reform. “Sadly, I think what I have learned is how willing some members of our government are to play political football with women’s health,” she says. “That has been heartbreaking to watch.

Fluke plans to continue working on the issue to ensure that the health reform regulations do eventually require Georgetown University to provide birth control to its students. She’s keeping an eye both on the accommodations the White House rolled out last month, as well as a separate regulation on student health plans now being reviewed by the Office of Budget and Management. That’s the regulation that will determine whether the no-copay birth control provisions also apply to student health plans.

Fluke stayed for the first few moments of the hearing, long enough to hear a representative of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops speak, before walking out in protest with the Democratic women who sit on the committee.

[101A]

From the Schedule of Benefits posted by CC:


Prescription Drugs: $5,000 per policy
year maximum per Insured person.

Of course various copays are required.

My question, would she be satisfied if birth control was covered as any other drug (of which there is NO coverage for in the base plan - there are three tiers, btw) - or does birth control have its own category; covered no matter what. Otherwise, someone taking an allergy med, plus an anti-depressant, could very well run up against that $5000 cap, and still have no coverage for birth control.

I don't know, but what would make y'all happy?

[ChumpDumper]

[nothing relevant]
It's YOUR assertion she was impersonating an innocent student.

You are failing badly at backing up that claim with anything tangible.

[CosmicCowboy]

Suit yourself. Sounds like a 30 year old activist who chose to go to a law school that didn't offer contraceptive coverage.

[ChumpDumper]

Suit yourself. Sounds like a 30 year old activist who chose to go to a law school that didn't offer contraceptive coverage.No one is disputing that.

Stay on point for once.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not following any point, and if you just want to declare yourself the "winner" of whatever debate you are trying to have then feel free. I really don't give a shit.

[101A]

I have been selling/representing insurance carriers, and, in fact, designing, implementing and processing benefit claims for nearly twenty years, for literally, tens of thousands of individuals.

I have NEVER ONCE had anyone question what the coverage was for birth control (other than a few guys who thought condoms ought to be paid for if "the pill" was).

That does make Ms. Fluke exceptional in my eyes. What CC is trying to get at, and what does not excuse what Limbaugh said (though it does temper it, IMO) is that this lady was trying to pick a fight. Usually when someone wants a fight, they can find it. For whatever reason is does make her a less sympathetic figure to me (don't know that I can explain it; may just be a bias against feminists - being honest).

Then, take Santorum's doctrinaire view on contraception being trumpeted far and wide as "crazy", along with the administration's (what was once) indelicate handling of the issue vis a vis the Catholic Church - and we have a perfect storm of making a non issue, an issue. And, of course, Democrats are going to milk this for all its worth; because, frankly, Santorum and Rush are not likable figures; keep it in the news (media very willing to oblige); and no one is talking about the crazy price of gas, or that, for some reason, I couldn't find a gallon of milk for less than $4 yesterday at the grocery store.

As for the Federal Govt. dictating whether an insurance plan must cover this? WTF does it matter? The Fed dictates a HELL OF A LOT more onerous crap than this related to healthcare!

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not following any pointLeast of all your own
and if you just want to declare yourself the "winner" of whatever debate you are trying to have then feel free. I really don't give a shit.You made an assertion.

You didn't back it up at all.

You failed miserably at proving your assertion.

I didn't win. I didn't even try. You lost on your own.

[ChumpDumper]

As for the Federal Govt. dictating whether an insurance plan must cover this? WTF does it matter? The Fed dictates a HELL OF A LOT more onerous crap than this related to healthcare!Think of all the thwarted sperm!

Won't someone think of the sperm?!!!?

[mrsmaalox]

From the Schedule of Benefits posted by CC:



Of course various copays are required.

My question, would she be satisfied if birth control was covered as any other drug (of which there is NO coverage for in the base plan - there are three tiers, btw) - or does birth control have its own category; covered no matter what. Otherwise, someone taking an allergy med, plus an anti-depressant, could very well run up against that $5000 cap, and still have no coverage for birth control.

I don't know, but what would make y'all happy?

How about just not excluding contraception from coverage? Let me decide if I want to use my coverage for contraception or allergy pills or anti-depressants? If I can't have it all, I understand, but let me make the decision. That would make me happy :)

[clambake]

How about just not excluding contraception from coverage? Let me decide if I want to use my coverage for contraception or allergy pills or anti-depressants? If I can't have it all, I understand, but let me make the decision. That would make me happy :)

look, they just had a congressional hearing on womens healthcare, and women weren't included.

so just butt out.

[RandomGuy]

Oh, the horror! That POOR WOMAN! Just because she is a professional insurance rights advocate was no reason for Rush to pick on her...

Generally "professional" implies she was paid for her advocacy.

The best it seems was shown was that she has advocated in the past for contraceptive coverage, but not that she was paid by anybody to do so.

In this, Chump appears to have a point. You have not shown she was paid for her appearance or does this for a living.

Even *if* she was paid, you seemed to defend his remarks (pooh poohing the severity of the remarks).

Nobody deserves to be talked about like that for their point of view, paid or not, in my opinion.

[RandomGuy]

look, they just had a congressional hearing on womens healthcare, and women weren't included.

so just butt out.

It wasn't about women's health care, silly. It was about religious doctrine.

Women still weren't included in that either, it seems.

Coincidence?

I think not.

[clambake]

It wasn't about women's health care, silly. It was about religious doctrine.

Women still weren't included in that either, it seems.

Coincidence?

I think not.

sure sure, doctrine my ass. preserve religious freedom bla bla bla.

unless its about a mosque in NY.

[Winehole23]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/meet-sandra-fluke-the-woman-you-didnt-hear-at-congress-contraceptives-hearing/2012/02/16/gIQAJh57HR_blog.html

Meet Sandra Fluke: The woman you didn’t hear at Congress’ contraceptives hearing

Posted by Sarah Kliff at 02:16 PM ET, 02/16/2012


Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) held a hearing Thursday on the health reform law’s mandated coverage of contraceptives. (Stephen Morton - BLOOMBERG) Congress held a lengthy hearing Thursday morning on the health reform law’s mandated coverage of contraceptives, probing whether the provision violates religious liberties.

The hearing has gotten a lot of attention not necessarily for what happened there, but what didn’t. Namely, no one testified in favor of the contraceptives mandate. Moreover, no women participated in the first, three-hour panel (two women did testify against the provision in the second panel.)

The Democrats did, however, invite one woman to speak: Sandra Fluke, a third-year student at Georgetown Law and past president of the school’s Students for Reproductive Justice group. But wait, that was the woman we heard. You know, the third year law student complaining about birth control coverage at Georgetown?:lol:toast

I see zero evidence presented that Fluke was deceptive about anything in what you posted.

So she's a political activist. You're a politics subforum troll who doesn't like her. What's the big freaking deal? A legal advocate in training with an ax to grind?

:sleep

[Wild Cobra]

Although it does seem to be turning out that she really was an insurance advocacy provocateur professional and not just some innocent law student as she was represented to congress. I thought that was interesting.
That, in my opinion, gives any commentator the right to publicly call her out. The reference to being a slut was uncalled for, but you can find relevance in calling her a prostitute... wanting other peoples money to pay for contraceptives! Afterall, that does tie money to sex, and that was his point. If you wish to stay with slut, that would mean having to say she also has multiple partners.

[ChumpDumper]

That, in my opinion, gives any commentator the right to publicly call her out. The reference to being a slut was uncalled for, but you can find relevance in calling her a prostitute... wanting other peoples money to pay for contraceptives! Afterall, that does tie money to sex, and that was his point. If you wish to stay with slut, that would mean having to say she also has multiple partners.You're an idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

I paid about 1000 dollars last year in income taxes, fuck ass.
Multiply that by about 20 for my income taxes.

[Wild Cobra]

Student-paid health insurance plan.

Yes, which will raise the price of student insurance by a notable degree.

Do you expect insurance companies not to make a profit?

After requiring this, why not then advocate for all insurance companies to have this madated?

What about the Buffalo NY teachers healthcare benefits which costs the tax payers so many extra millions for zero deductible cosmetic surgery? Should it be mandated that all insurance companies cover cosmetic surgery?

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, which will raise the price if student insurance by a notable degree.How much?

[Wild Cobra]

How much?
Hard to say. If the cost of these contraceptives are $600 annual, then it would probably be around $400 annual with my dartboard guess. Student insurance is cheap for most because of their age. For the current low cost, I think you would agree it would price some out of insurance.

Don't forget. Once the students aren't directly paying contraceptives by themselves, the cost is irrelevant to them, so they will select the best, most expensive birth control.

[clambake]

Hard to say. If the cost of these contraceptives are $600 annual, then it would probably be around $400 annual with my dartboard guess. Student insurance is cheap for most because of their age. For the current low cost, I think you would agree it would price some out of insurance.

Don't forget. Once the students aren't directly paying contraceptives by themselves, the cost is irrelevant to them, so they will select the best, most expensive birth control.
i'd just like to say that i'd be happy to pay for your contraceptives.

give me her name and address.

[ChumpDumper]

Hard to say. If the cost of these contraceptives are $600 annual, then it would probably be around $400 annual with my dartboard guess.You're saying premiums are going to go up that much a year for each student?

[Wild Cobra]

You're saying premiums are going to go up that much a year for each student?
The birth control itself isn't the only cost. More frequent visits, and I will assume they will separate costs between male and female, or is the males also pay more, that $400 annual guess could be $200 more per student.

I gave it a best guess. How about you. How much more do you think the cost would be over a $0 increase? I seriously doubt you will claim it will not increase the price of insurance.

[ChumpDumper]

The birth control itself isn't the only cost. More frequent visits, an I will assume they will separate costs between male and female, or is the males also pay more, that $400 annual guess could be $200 more per student.

I gave it a best guess. How about you. How much more do you think the cost would be over a $0 increase? I seriously doubt you will claim it will not increase the price of insurance.I'd like to see the numbers you used to make your calculations.

Thanks.

[Wild Cobra]

I'd like to see the numbers you used to make your calculations.

Thanks.
I didn't.

Do you understand the definition of "guess" and my reference to throwing a dart?

Doesn't that indicate to you that this is a pretty loose number?

Again, I gave you a figure. What do you think the cost would be?

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't.

Do you understand the definition of "guess" and my reference to throwing a dart?

Doesn't that indicate to you that this is a pretty loose number?

Again, I gave you a figure. What do you think the cost would be?You gave a figure based on nothing.

I'm not going to pretend I know enough to make a guess.

[Wild Cobra]

You gave a figure based on nothing.

I'm not going to pretend I know enough to make a guess.

OK, just this simple question.

Do you agree or disagree that such a mandate would raise the cost of their insurance.

[ChumpDumper]

OK, just this simple question.

Do you agree or disagree that such a mandate would raise the cost of their insurance.Agree.

That's why I asked how much, dumbass.

[JoeChalupa]

Capital One Drops Rush.
Capital One joins the ranks of 32 sponsors who have dropped their advertising on the Rush Limbaugh Show.

[Drachen]

Capital One Drops Rush.
Capital One joins the ranks of 32 sponsors who have dropped their advertising on the Rush Limbaugh Show.

He'll get more back, but these are some big fish that are getting away. Pretty bad (for him). Next thing you know Peter Gabriel will pull Sledgehammer.

[JoeChalupa]

He'll get more back, but these are some big fish that are getting away. Pretty bad (for him). Next thing you know Peter Gabriel will pull Sledgehammer.

I concur. Rush won't be hurt by this at all when all is said and done. The guy has a very loyal following and he is a genius, plain and simple.

[Wild Cobra]

He'll get more back, but ...
I see no "but" about it.

I concur. Rush won't be hurt by this at all when all is said and done. The guy has a very loyal following and he is a genius, plain and simple.
Agreed. I'll bet half or more of these sponsors are using this as an excuse for a decision they were going to make anyway. Besides, how many sponsors remain the same place year after year? They come and go regularly. How many, like Capital One is being hurt by regulation. There is also a new commercial using the same pirate voice capitol One used, probably hurting their business. There was a recent report where they checked on quality of flowered delivered on valentines day. If I recall, Pro Flowers did poor in that study, and likely lost business afterwards.

[ChumpDumper]

All Goldline, all the time.

[ploto]

For those who care:

Maternity is covered under the plan at Georgetown. There are 3 schedules, but all students are covered under all 3 schedules. Schedule 1 is at the student health clinic, 2 is PPO, 3 is out-of-network. Maternity is specifically listed as covered like any other illness, except of course at schedule 1 where there is no maternity care at that clinic.

"If a Covered Person is pregnant, We will pay for any Medically Necessary expenses for prenatal care, childbirth and postpartum care. Expenses for childbirth include hospital inpatient care of not less than 48 hours following a vaginal delivery or not less than 96 hours following a cesarean section, unless the attending Physician, in consultation with the mother makes a decision for an earlier discharge from the hospital."


Prescription drug plan works the same way, with it not being applicable to schedule 1:

"Prescriptions must be filled at a UnitedHealthcare Network Pharmacy.
$10 copay for up to 31 day supply of a Tier 1 prescription;
$25 copay up to 31 day supply of a Tier 2 prescription;
or $45 copay up to 31 day supply of a Tier 3 prescription."

I would think they simply want it covered like any other prescription.

[ChumpDumper]

Why the hell do they want to be paid for having babies from their sexual adventures?

[Jacob1983]

Why can't people just step up to the plate and admit that there is a double standard on this controversy? If Rush Limbaugh has to be get the axe then Bill Maher has to get the axe. It has to be the same for both otherwise the double standard is still there.
Rush Limbaugh said a called a person a slut. Bill Maher called a woman the c-word. Can you even say the c-word on network tv or basic cable or even in a PG-13 rated movie?

Stop the bullshit and admit the truth. There is a double standard.

[ChumpDumper]

Why can't people just step up to the plate and admit that there is a double standard on this controversy? If Rush Limbaugh has to be get the axe then Bill Maher has to get the axe. It has to be the same for both otherwise the double standard is still there.
Rush Limbaugh said a called a person a slut. Bill Maher called a woman the c-word. Can you even say the c-word on network tv or basic cable or even in a PG-13 rated movie?

Stop the bullshit and admit the truth. There is a double standard.Who here said anyone had to get the axe?

Seeing Rush grovel is good enough for me.

[DarrinS]

Lol


Carbonite drops Rush

Investors drop Carbonite

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:CARB

[ChumpDumper]

Good buying opportunity.

Already up 3% today.

Thanks, Darrin!

[clambake]

lol burn

[cheguevara]

mmmm


More than 30 advertisers have bailed out of the nationally syndicated talk show, ranked No. 1, since Limbaugh insulted student Sandra Fluke last week, then apologized Monday.

The new tech-sector withdrawals join Carbonite (Nasdaq: CARB), the developer of PC backup systems; software management provider Citrix Systems (Nasdaq: CTXS) and online service provider AOL (NYSE: AOL).

Shares of all the tech-related companies that withdrew rose Wednesday, except for Citrix.


Once publicly traded, Clear Channel was taken private in a $20.6 billion buyout in 2008 led by Bain Capital and Thomas H. Lee Partners, two giants of the private equity sector. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is the co-founder of Bain Capital and still receives funds from the company, although he doesn't participate in management.

Limbaugh, 61, has not endorsed a Republican contender yet, although he has frequently had Romney rival Newt Gingrich on his show for interviews.

Limbaugh has long boasted of his affection for technology, especially Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL) products. He has complained on the air that while he exclusively uses Macs, the Cupertino, Calif. company has never advertised on his program.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/310623/20120307/rush-limbaugh-netflix-aol-advertisers-sandra-fluke.htm

[Blake]

Why can't people just step up to the plate and admit that there is a double standard on this controversy? If Rush Limbaugh has to be get the axe then Bill Maher has to get the axe. It has to be the same for both otherwise the double standard is still there.
Rush Limbaugh said a called a person a slut. Bill Maher called a woman the c-word. Can you even say the c-word on network tv or basic cable or even in a PG-13 rated movie?

Stop the bullshit and admit the truth. There is a double standard.

Rush is getting the axe?

Link?

[cheguevara]

Maher, who is no stranger to starting trouble on Twitter, posted from his page on Tuesday night, “Hate to defend #RushLimbaugh but he apologized, liberals looking bad not accepting. Also hate intimidation by sponsor pullout.”

:tu

liberal pussies still bitching about this are as bad as neocons

[clambake]

who's bitching?

[coyotes_geek]

Lol


Carbonite drops Rush

Investors drop Carbonite

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:CARB

Apparantely investors have been questioning Carbonite's loyalty to Rush for quite some time now......

http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/z?s=CARB&t=3m&q=l&l=on&z=l&a=v&p=s&lang=en-US&region=US

[ChumpDumper]

Wow, advertizing on Rush was killing that company for months!

No wonder they stopped!

[cheguevara]

who's bitching?

these pussies:
Democrats protest plan for Rush Limbaugh bust in Missouri
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-limbaugh-missouritre8251ov-20120306,0,1952330.story

these pussies:
DAVID ROSMAN: Limbaugh's insincere apology makes situation worse for all, including Missouri
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2012/03/07/david-rosman-insincere-apology-just-makes-situation-worse/

these pussies:
Peter Gabriel asks Rush Limbaugh to remove his music
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2012/03/peter-gabriel-asks-rush-limbaugh-to-remove-his-music/1#.T1eXzMDZB70


that's only with 2 minutes of research :lol

[ChumpDumper]

these pussies:
Democrats protest plan for Rush Limbaugh bust in Missouri
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-limbaugh-missouritre8251ov-20120306,0,1952330.story

these pussies:
DAVID ROSMAN: Limbaugh's insincere apology makes situation worse for all, including Missouri
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2012/03/07/david-rosman-insincere-apology-just-makes-situation-worse/

these pussies:
Peter Gabriel asks Rush Limbaugh to remove his music
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2012/03/peter-gabriel-asks-rush-limbaugh-to-remove-his-music/1#.T1eXzMDZB70


that's only with 2 minutes of research :lolWhy do you hate freedom of political expression?

[jack sommerset]

who's bitching?

Barrack for one and he has every right to. Good news is Rush apologized and those who can't forgive are only hurting themselves.

"Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, “I am only joking!”

[clambake]

the only one in here bitching is the brilliant mind of jacob.

[cheguevara]

Why do you hate freedom of political expression?

because they are a bunch of fucking pussies.

boohoo Rush was a meanie to our slut :lmao

[cheguevara]

Republicans are waging war on our women

:lol

liberals have sunk lower than the neocons calling Obama's class warfare

[ChumpDumper]

because they are a bunch of fucking pussies.

boohoo Rush was a meanie to our slut :lmaoYou just admitted you hate freedom of political expression.

[cheguevara]

You just admitted you hate freedom of political expression.

and you admited that you are a pussy :lol

[RandomGuy]

Why can't people just step up to the plate and admit that there is a double standard on this controversy? If Rush Limbaugh has to be get the axe then Bill Maher has to get the axe. It has to be the same for both otherwise the double standard is still there.
Rush Limbaugh said a called a person a slut. Bill Maher called a woman the c-word. Can you even say the c-word on network tv or basic cable or even in a PG-13 rated movie?

Stop the bullshit and admit the truth. There is a double standard.

Maher didn't ramble on about it for days. Nor did he make shit up.

Expressing dislike for someone is waaaaay different than making shit up about someone you disagree with.

The message was pretty clear.

That you can't or won't differentiate between the two speaks less of the existence of a double standard, and more to your ability to see the difference.

[ChumpDumper]

and you admited that you are a pussy :lolNice attempt to deflect. I already expressed I was more than satisfied at this point.

You hate freedom of political expression.

[RandomGuy]

Republicans are waging war on our women

:lol

liberals have sunk lower than the neocons calling Obama's class warfare
I wouldnt say that. I think there is an undercurrent of sexism, just as there is an undercurrent of racism in rightwing political thought.

You can't be that judgmental and selfrighteous and not have the fringes take it a bit too far. Unfortunately, the fringes seem to be in the driver's seat on the right in this country.

[cheguevara]

I wouldnt say that. I think there is an undercurrent of sexism, just as there is an undercurrent of racism in rightwing political thought.

You can't be that judgmental and selfrighteous and not have the fringes take it a bit too far. Unfortunately, the fringes seem to be in the driver's seat on the right in this country.

:tu

[ChumpDumper]

It's OK, chances are Romney told Rush to apologize. After all, last I checked Bain Capital owns Clear Channel.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's OK, chances are Romney told Rush to apologize. After all, last I checked Bain Capital owns Clear Channel.


????????????

Interesting.

At least a partner in the ownership.

[ChumpDumper]

????????????

Interesting.

At least a partner in the ownership.I wonder how many times Romney has been on Rush's show since 2008. [/Wild Cobra]

[DarrinS]

I can't believe Obama even talked about this and threw his daughters into the mix.

[CosmicCowboy]

Those fuckers call me at least every other month wanting me to agree to reduce my billboard rental...I'm like ...uhhh dudes...we have a contract...why would I lower the price?

[clambake]

Those fuckers call me at least every other month wanting me to agree to reduce my billboard rental...I'm like ...uhhh dudes...we have a contract...why would I lower the price?

serious?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I can't believe Obama even talked about this and threw his daughters into the mix.

he didn't throw his daughters in the mix. what are you talking about? Since he mentioned that he had daughters equates to throwing them into the mix? are you stupid?

[CosmicCowboy]

serious?

Serious.

And not some goober from India either...intelligent, hot sounding women usually...they talk about how tough the advertising billboard market is these days, how clear channel really needs to save money, etc.

I just laugh. My contract calls for a flat fee OR 20% of the rental fee whichever is higher so I get a breakdown every year on how much they rented my sign for. I tell them that from the breakdown I get CC seems to be doing just fine on my billboard...

[clambake]

milk em

[mouse]

my billboard

All this time we hope posters read our gtg topics and you had a billboard?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Clear Channel is regionally run out of Dallas and they more ore or less told the San Antonio market that we were dumbfucks who were less important than getting their favored son a gig on the sporting channel down here. How that fuck can still have a job is beyond me.

[Wild Cobra]

Wow, advertizing on Rush was killing that company for months!

No wonder they stopped!
You forgot the blue text.

[DarrinS]

Clear Channel is regionally run out of Dallas and they more ore or less told the San Antonio market that we were dumbfucks who were less important than getting their favored son a gig on the sporting channel down here. How that fuck can still have a job is beyond me.


Huh?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Huh?

Who does the afternoon drive on 760?

[DarrinS]

Who does the afternoon drive on 760?


That idiot, Mike Taylor?

[Blake]

Who does the afternoon drive on 760?

Mike Taylor? He's pretty good, imo.

What does that have to do with CC in Dallas?

[DarrinS]

Mike Taylor? He's pretty good, imo.

You really think so?