Obama: My son would look like Treyvon

[cheguevara]

Is he politicizing the Treyvon story and bringing up race issue?

Did Bush ever say "my daughter would look like Natalee Holloway"?

[coyotes_geek]

Attention whores will be attention whores.

[CosmicCowboy]

Didn't you know that it is the POTUS's job to comment and editorialize on every murder in America?

[ChumpDumper]

Is he politicizing the Treyvon story and bringing up race issue?No.

[boutons_deux]

So CC decides what is the POTUS's job definition?

Do CC have any problem with Congress diagnosing Terry Schiavo?

"race issue"? Of course it's a race issue, by definition. A brownish white vigilante midget murdering a "suspicious", unarmed black youth. Race? nah.

[z0sa]

A brownish white vigilante midget

His family confirmed he's Hispanic. LOL you constantly twisting everything, bot.

[CosmicCowboy]

Meh...it's not like he's dong anything except having fundraisers anyway.

[cheguevara]

"race issue"? Of course it's a race issue, by definition. A brownish white vigilante midget murdering a "suspicious", unarmed black youth. Race? nah.

There is no evidence that had the boy been white, spanish, chinese the shooter would have backed away. No evidence. Wake up.

[boutons_deux]

hispanic is white, Caucasian race.

[cheguevara]

His family confirmed he's Hispanic. LOL you constantly twisting everything, bot.

I heard he also got black family members. But of course that doesn't matter. It didn't stop Cain from being called a racist. :lol

[Spurminator]

Was he asked about it?

[jack sommerset]

Obama is a politician. God bless

[hater]

had the boy been white would Obama had said he'd look like half of me?

[TeyshaBlue]

hispanic is white, Caucasian race.

Ummmm...no. Cite?

The U.S. Office of Management and Budget currently defines "Hispanic or Latino" as "a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race".

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg_1997standards

[hater]

boutons is half right. Hispanics can either be black or white on federal forms, census.

but ask the 50% of southern, bible belt, conservative whites and they will disagree with boutons and then some

[Oh, Gee!!]

iow, Hispanic is not a race per se

[TeyshaBlue]

zactly.

[Oh, Gee!!]

nevertheless, that was a straight up murder

[CosmicCowboy]

nevertheless, that was a straight up murder

And you know this with 100% certainty how?

[TeyshaBlue]

nevertheless, that was a straight up murder



zactly..

[Oh, Gee!!]

And you know this with 100% certainty how?

because he killed someone with no legal justification. :SNAP

[CosmicCowboy]

Again...are you privy to any evidence of EXACTLY what transpired the last minute or so before the shooting? I haven't been able to find any tapes or eye witness accounts of exactly what happened. I am NOT saying the shooting was justified.

[z0sa]

Attention whores will be attention whores.

Speaking of which ...

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193444

[CosmicCowboy]

Hypothetically...

If Zimmerman was following Treyvon thinking he was just going to keep his distance so he could pinpoint his location for the policeman he knew was coming...

If Treyvon thought the guy obviously following him was a mugger/crackhead/mexican gang banger

If Treyvon decides the best defense is a good offense and turns the corner out of Zimmermans sight and then stops and waits for Zimmerman to catch up and then sucker punches him and starts beating the shit out of him as he turns the corner...(grass stains on his BACK, bleeding from the front and back of his head consistent with physical evidence) and it was Zimmerman screaming for help...

It's a terrible tragic misunderstanding, but is it still murder...?

[Oh, Gee!!]

Again...are you privy to any evidence of EXACTLY what transpired the last minute or so before the shooting? I haven't been able to find any tapes or eye witness accounts of exactly what happened. I am NOT saying the shooting was justified.

Zimmerman: the new cause celebre for neo-cons

[CosmicCowboy]

Zimmerman: the new cause celebre for neo-cons

GFY

I'm not defending him.

[TeyshaBlue]

Zimmerman was told not to follow him...probably for good reason.
Zimmerman ignored this. Now it fairly smacks of premeditation.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, stalking someone with a gun might end badly.

[CosmicCowboy]

Zimmerman was told not to follow him...probably for good reason.
Zimmerman ignored this. Now it fairly smacks of premeditation.

Have you listened to the actual tape? The dispatcher said "we don't NEED you to follow him"...That's quite different from" DON'T follow him."

Again...I am not defending the guy but there sure are a lot of people jumping to iron clad conclusions without many facts.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah, stalking someone with a gun might end badly.

Agreed

I sure as hell wouldn't do it.

[TeyshaBlue]

Have you listened to the actual tape? The dispatcher said "we don't NEED you to follow him"...That's quite different from" DON'T follow him."

Again...I am not defending the guy but there sure are a lot of people jumping to iron clad conclusions without many facts.

I'm unsure what the operational difference is between the two. I don't think there is any, actually.

[CosmicCowboy]

OK

Agree to disagree

Personally I think the dispatcher meant DON'T do it but I accept the possibility that Zimmerman in his pumped up adrenaline state heard "As a neighborhood watch you don't NEED to do that (but it would help us if you did)"

[DarrinS]

Zimmerman: the new cause celebre for neo-cons

:rolleyes

[DarrinS]

Professional race baiter and "journalist", Al Sharpton has become involved, so you know this will end well.

[Oh, Gee!!]

GFY

I'm not defending him.

I'm not defending him, I'm just saying it was self-defense is all:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not defending him, I'm just saying it was self-defense is all:lol

Work on your reading comprehension asshole.

I'm saying that there are a lot of people jumping to conclusions on very few published facts.

The guy was clearly a busybody asshole but until I hear more facts about those last 60 seconds I'm not ready to call him a cold blooded racially motivated premeditated killer.

[CosmicCowboy]

If it turns out that Zimmerman really approached him, instigated the fight, and Treyvon was the one screaming for help and Zimmerman shot him anyway I would willingly not only supply the rope, but the tree to hang him.

Just give me some FACTS to justify that conclusion.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I'm not ready to call him a cold blooded racially motivated premeditated killer.

it can still be murder even if it wasn't racially motivated or premeditated

[Oh, Gee!!]

Just give me some FACTS to justify that conclusion.

one kid is shot and killed, the other is holding the gun and pulled the trigger.

[CosmicCowboy]

:jack

Must be nice in your black and white world. You never have to use your brain.

[Oh, Gee!!]

:jack

Must be nice in your black and white world. You never have to use your brain.

Is there any dispute that the kid is dead? no. Is there any dispute that he died b/c he was shot? no. Is there any dispute that Zimmerman is the one who caused the kid's death by shooting him? no. Is there any dispute that Zimmerman shot the kid in self-defense? yes. Charge him with murder, and let Zimmerman put on his self-defense theory. See what a jury says. It's Florida, so he might get a Casey Anthony jury.

[lefty]

Ummmm...no. Cite?

The U.S. Office of Management and Budget currently defines "Hispanic or Latino" as "a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race".

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg_1997standards

Regardless of race ?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

GFY

I'm not defending him.

Creating hypotheticals to exonerate him is not defending now?

[jack sommerset]

Only God,George and Treyvon knows what happened that caused George to kill that kid in the hoodie, eating skittles and drinking tea. God bless.

[TheProfessor]

Again...are you privy to any evidence of EXACTLY what transpired the last minute or so before the shooting? I haven't been able to find any tapes or eye witness accounts of exactly what happened. I am NOT saying the shooting was justified.
People are convicted on circumstantial evidence all the time.

[SA210]

Is he politicizing the Treyvon story and bringing up race issue?



Yes

[JoeChalupa]

Have you listened to the actual tape? The dispatcher said "we don't NEED you to follow him"...That's quite different from" DON'T follow him."

Again...I am not defending the guy but there sure are a lot of people jumping to iron clad conclusions without many facts.

He, Zimmerman, was basically stalking Treyvon, wouldn't you be suspicious of someone following you for no reason? Zimmerman followed him and even acknowledged the dispatcher with an "okay", yet continued to follow him and then got out of his vehicle which was totally unnecessary.
Yes, you are trying to defend Zimmerman.
Fact is that Zimmerman was not tested for drug or alchohol like Treyvon was which doesn't make any sense at all. None.
He was allowed to leave with the weapon. Doesn't make any sense at all. None.
ANY time there is a shooting there needs to be an investigation not just release the shooter on his word. Even Cops get put on paid leave after a shooting, yet he is still free with his weapon.
And the police went ahead and released him, without, as you say, many facts.

[JoeChalupa]

Being the POTUS anything Obama says is politicized.

[Wild Cobra]

hispanic is white, Caucasian race.
Point is, he's a minority too.

[Wild Cobra]

because he killed someone with no legal justification. :SNAPAgain...are you privy to any evidence of EXACTLY what transpired the last minute or so before the shooting? I haven't been able to find any tapes or eye witness accounts of exactly what happened. I am NOT saying the shooting was justified.
No Shit.

Oh Gee... If you were there and know what happened, they need a witness.

[Wild Cobra]

Hypothetically...

If Zimmerman was following Treyvon thinking he was just going to keep his distance so he could pinpoint his location for the policeman he knew was coming...

If Treyvon thought the guy obviously following him was a mugger/crackhead/mexican gang banger

If Treyvon decides the best defense is a good offense and turns the corner out of Zimmermans sight and then stops and waits for Zimmerman to catch up and then sucker punches him and starts beating the shit out of him as he turns the corner...(grass stains on his BACK, bleeding from the front and back of his head consistent with physical evidence) and it was Zimmerman screaming for help...

It's a terrible tragic misunderstanding, but is it still murder...?
You could say they both stood their ground.

[Wild Cobra]

Zimmerman was told not to follow him...probably for good reason.
Zimmerman ignored this. Now it fairly smacks of premeditation.
Please show me where he was instructed not to follow. That is one sore spot in the theory you guys operate on.

"We don't need you to do that" is not the same as "don't do that."

Keep spewing that lie, and be ignorant why people are listening to that. I don't care.

[Wild Cobra]

If it turns out that Zimmerman really approached him, instigated the fight, and Treyvon was the one screaming for help and Zimmerman shot him anyway I would willingly not only supply the rope, but the tree to hang him.

Just give me some FACTS to justify that conclusion.
No shit.

Looks like theses people want to return to England's form of justice before the revolution.

Don't these people understand the reality of why we have innocent till proven guilty?

[Wild Cobra]

Is there any dispute that the kid is dead? no. Is there any dispute that he died b/c he was shot? no. Is there any dispute that Zimmerman is the one who caused the kid's death by shooting him? no. Is there any dispute that Zimmerman shot the kid in self-defense? yes. Charge him with murder, and let Zimmerman put on his self-defense theory. See what a jury says. It's Florida, so he might get a Casey Anthony jury.

The case won't even make it past a grand jury is there is no compelling evidence.

[Nbadan]

Why is everyone being so defensive? Treyvon wasn't shot because he was black, but he was followed and confronted because he was a black kid in a non-black neighborhood, that is where his civil rights may have been violated. At the very least this is a winner in a civil case..

[Nbadan]

This isn't the wild west, you can't instigate a confrontation by following someone and creeping them out and then claim stand your ground as a defense

[Wild Cobra]

Why is everyone being so defensive? Treyvon wasn't shot because he was black, but he was followed and confronted because he was a black kid in a non-black neighborhood, that is where his civil rights may have been violated. At the very least this is a winner in a civil case..
No, he was an outsider. He wasn't a member of the community, but a visitor, and not known. According to Zimmerman, there have been numerous break ins in the community.

Has anyone checked how valid this is?

How do you know it's a white community? If so, why was his father there? Is his father white?

Please break down you thought process. What makes it a white community... also, when a minority like Zimmerman lives there.

[Wild Cobra]

This isn't the wild west, you can't instigate a confrontation by following someone and creeping them out and then claim stand your ground as a defense

I don't know.

Seems like to me, with this "Stand your Ground" law, we may see duals coming back.

[Nbadan]

Please break down you thought process. What makes it a white community... also, when a minority like Zimmerman lives there.

Nobody said it was a white community, but it wasn't a majority black neighborhood...had Treyvon been white, visiting or not, it's very likely he would not have been confronted by Zimmerman..

[Wild Cobra]

Nobody said it was a white community, but it wasn't a majority black neighborhood...had Treyvon been white, visiting or not, it's very likely he would not have been confronted by Zimmerman..
I think you are wrong. Did you read the reports of the calls Zimmerman made?

[Nbadan]

Yes. Zimmerman clearly initiated the contact.

[Wild Cobra]

Yes. Zimmerman clearly initiated the contact.
I'm talking about his history of calls since 2004. There is nothing to indicate any of it was based on race.

[Nbadan]

nobody hired Zimmerman to protect the community and by all indications I've seen, he wasn't even authorized to do so by the neighborhood community...

[Nbadan]

None-the-less, uninitiated, this guy was carrying a loaded weapon during a neighborhood watch program..

[Nbadan]

Don't take my word for any of this, but you can't ignore the authors of Florida's stand your ground self-defense law..


The authors of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" self-defense law say George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for shooting Trayvon Martin, reports the Miami Herald.

"He has no protection under my law," former Sen. Durell Peaden told the newspaper.

It is the fact that Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's advice not to follow Martin that former Sen. Peaden says disqualifies him from claiming self-defense under the law.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57401619-504083/author-of-stand-your-ground-law-george-zimmerman-should-probably-be-arrested-for-killing-trayvon-martin/

[Wild Cobra]

I see...

The authors of the bill have first hand accurate knowledge of the events that day.

I guess they will be the star witnesses.

Or...

Is that just their opinion? Do we convict on opinions without all the facts now?

[ElNono]

I see...

The authors of the bill have first hand accurate knowledge of the events that day.

I guess they will be the star witnesses.

Are you going to be a star witness in the case? You seem to have everything figured out...

[baseline bum]

Is the stand your ground law applicable to shooting Mexicans at the border?

[Cry Havoc]

Wild Cobra with his twisted version of events, as per usual. Sad to see, really.

[Spurminator]

Why is it that people's positions on non-political stories like this still seem to be divided on political ideology lines, in many cases?

[CosmicCowboy]

Why is it that people's positions on non-political stories like this still seem to be divided on political ideology lines, in many cases?

Because there are several people in here that consistently attack the person and not the idea. I can always depend on Chump to attack me no matter what I post. If he doesn't actually take the opposite position he nibbles and argues the use of a single specific word or phrase.

[Agloco]

There is no evidence that had the boy been white, spanish, chinese the shooter would have backed away. No evidence. Wake up.

I wonder if the shooter would have muttered the appropriate racial slurs in those instances as well.

[CosmicCowboy]

This thread is a good example. I point out that there are very few actual facts out there on what happened that last 60 seconds between Zimmerman and Treyvon and the usual suspects immediately go on the attack saying I am defending Zimmerman (with the underlying assumption I am a racist). Just the usual Spurstalk Political forum bullshit and gang mentality.

[jack sommerset]

Because there are several people in here that consistently attack the person and not the idea. I can always depend on Chump to attack me no matter what I post. If he doesn't actually take the opposite position he nibbles and argues the use of a single specific word or phrase.

He has a man crush on you. Creepy but harmless. God bless

[nkdlunch]

Being the POTUS anything Obama says is politicized.

that's why he should a kept his mouth shut

[boutons_deux]

If I were on foot being stalked by a guy in a car, who continued to stalk me when I tried to avoid him, and who then got out and confronted me, I'd be fully justified, under FL's "License to Kill When I Feel Threatened" law, in attacking the guy with anything I had, like my 6'3" to his 5'3".

His screaming like a little bitch while I beat his ass would incriminate me as the aggressor?

I can't attack with my fists because the FL law says I must have a gun to kill?

[SA210]

that's why he should a kept his mouth shut

[Mr. Peabody]

The case won't even make it past a grand jury is there is no compelling evidence.

You don't need much evidence to get past a grand jury. They only have to find probable cause to return an indictment.

[CosmicCowboy]

If I were on foot being stalked by a guy in a car, who continued to stalk me when I tried to avoid him, and who then got out and confronted me, I'd be fully justified, under FL's "License to Kill When I Feel Threatened" law, in attacking the guy with anything I had, like my 6'3" to his 5'3".

His screaming like a little bitch while I beat his ass would incriminate me as the aggressor?

I can't attack with my fists because the FL law says I must have a gun to kill?

I said I could understand him assuming the worst and deciding that the best defense against the stalker was a good offense and turning and beating his ass. Thats what I would probably do in that situation. In that case it's just a terrible, terrible misunderstanding and compounding of errors.

[CosmicCowboy]

BTW, where was all the outrage from you guys when those two black guys told that white kid last week..."You get what you deserve, white boy!"...then poured gasoline all over him and set him on fire...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html

[CosmicCowboy]

double post

[Wild Cobra]

Are you going to be a star witness in the case? You seem to have everything figured out...
No.

Once again, I am pointing out possibilities, and putting holes in the single sided theory that Zimmerman was out to get this guy.

Please point to any of my posts that leave that impression. If you find one, please refer to some posts before it that I may have been addressing.

I do not pretend to know the facts like the online psychics we have here. I am only showing they do not know what else may have occurred.

I do this on a regular basis on threads like this. Don't yo know that by now?

[MannyIsGod]

You think anyone here approves of that CC?

[spursncowboys]

BTW, where was all the outrage from you guys when those two black guys told that white kid last week..."You get what you deserve, white boy!"...then poured gasoline all over him and set him on fire...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html

That's every white parents fear for their kids. We need tougher laws on gasoline containers.

[CosmicCowboy]

Some of you guys remind me of Nancy Grace and the Duke LaCrosse team. She and the press had those guys totally convicted before they heard any facts.

[Wild Cobra]

Some of you guys remind me of Nancy Grace and the Duke LaCrosse team. She and the press had those guys totally convicted before they heard any facts.
Agreed.

Though I don't think it's probable, this could be roasting a completely innocent guy.

Saying it's his fault for following this kid and instigating it is as crazy as saying a beautiful woman who flirts it deserved to be raped. Until we know the facts, innocent till shown guilty should stand.

[Wild Cobra]

You don't need much evidence to get past a grand jury. They only have to find probable cause to return an indictment.
Yes, I used a poor choice of words. I meant there needed to be something that is considered "sufficient evidence."

What do we have that classes as "sufficient?"

[Viva Las Espuelas]

BTW, where was all the outrage from you guys when those two black guys told that white kid last week..."You get what you deserve, white boy!"...then poured gasoline all over him and set him on fire...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html

Because Obama's son wouldn't have looked like him..........

[David Duke]

Attention whores will be attention whores.

:toast

You said my friend.

[xrayzebra]

Can anyone remember Duke University?

[Wild Cobra]

Can anyone remember Duke University?
I think it's conveniently forgotten when the race card can be played.

[boutons_deux]

20 Things You Need to Know About the Tragic Killing of Trayvon Martin

On February 26, 2012, a 17-year-old African-American named Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in Sanford, Florida. The shooter was George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old man. Zimmerman admits killing Martin, but claims he was acting in self-defense. Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, passed in 2005, allows people to use deadly force if they believe they’re in imminent danger. Three weeks after Martin’s death, no arrests have been made and Zimmerman remains free.

FBI tells ABC News they are monitoring the Trayvon Martin investigation and have been in touch with local authorities. Late Monday, March 20, after a letter from the NAACP, the United States Department of Justice, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney announced they were launching “a thorough and independent review” of the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. The Florida state attorney has sent the Trayvon Martin case to a grand jury. The Seminole County grand jury will be called to session on Tuesday, April 10.

Here’s everything you need to know about the case:

1. Zimmerman called the police to report Martin’s “suspicious” behavior, which he described as “just walking around looking about.” Zimmerman was in his car when he saw Martin walking on the street. He called the police and said: “There’s a real suspicious guy. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about… These a**holes always get away” [Orlando Sentinel]

2. Zimmerman pursued Martin against the explicit instructions of the police dispatcher:

Dispatcher: “Are you following him?”
Zimmerman: “Yeah”
Dispatcher: “OK, we don’t need you to do that.”

[Orlando Sentinel]

3. Prior to the release of the 911 tapes, Zimmerman’s father released a statement claiming “[a]t no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin.” [Sun Sentinel]

4. Zimmerman was carrying a a Kel Tel 9 millimeter handgun. Martin was carrying a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea. [ABC News]

5. Martin weighed 140 pounds. Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds. [Orlando Sentinel; WDBO]

6. Martin’s English teacher described him as “as an A and B student who majored in cheerfulness.” [Orlando Sentinel]

7. Martin had no criminal record. [New York Times]

8. Zimmerman “was charged in July 2005 with resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer. The charges appear to have been dropped.” [Huffington Post]

9. Zimmerman called the police 46 times since Jan. 1, 2011. [Miami Herald]

10. According to neighbors, Zimmerman was “fixated on crime and focused on young, black males.” [Miami Herald]

11. Zimmerman “had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics” [Huffington Post]

12. A police officer “corrected” a key witness. “The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.” [ABC News]

13. Three witnesses say they heard a boy cry for help before a shot was fired. “Three witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a despondent boy.” [Miami Herald]

14. The officer in charge of the crime scene also received criticism in 2010 when he initially failed to arrest a lieutenant’s son who was videotaped attacking a homeless black man. [New York Times]

15. The police did not test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. A law enforcement expert told ABC that Zimmerman sounds intoxicated on the 911 tapes. Drug and alcohol testing is “standard procedure in most homicide investigations.” [ABC News]

16. In a cell phone call moments before his death, Martin told a teenage girl that he was “hounded by a strange man on a cellphone who ran after him, cornered him and confronted him.” “‘He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man,’ Martin’s friend said. ‘I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.’ Eventually he would run, said the girl, thinking that he’d managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin. ‘Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for,’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’” [ABC News]

17. Zimmerman told the police “he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck.” “He said he feared for his life and fired the semiautomatic handgun he was licensed to carry because he feared for his life.” [Miami Herald]

18. Zimmerman was not a member of a registered Neighborhood Watch group. Zimmerman also violated basic Neighborhood Watch guidelines by carrying a weapon. [ABC News]

19. Sanford police chief Bill Lee planned to wrap up the case last Monday without bringing any charges, because, he said, “there is no evidence to dispute the shooter’s claim of self-defense,” which is a sufficient claim under the “Stand Your Ground” law. [Miami Herald]

20. In the first five years “Stand Your Ground” was in effect, justifiable homicides tripled, and the law was a factor in at least 93 cases involving 65 deaths. An investigation of cases from the law’s passage in 2005 to 2010 found that charges were dropped or dismissed for 57 people, and 7 others were acquitted. [Tampa Bay Times]

A petition created by Trayvon’s parents to investigate his killing has been signed by over 500,000 people.

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/154624

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A great comment I read today: why isn't the NRA, Wayne La Pierre, and assorted gun fetishists, "freedom patriots" howling that the murdered black kid should have been armed. Or do those groups only support white being being armed?

[Wild Cobra]

2. Zimmerman pursued Martin against the explicit instructions of the police dispatcher:

Dispatcher: “Are you following him?”
Zimmerman: “Yeah”
Dispatcher: “OK, we don’t need you to do that.”

[Orlando Sentinel]

I think reasonable people stop reading at this point. I did.

Have anything that gives unbiased facts?

[spursncowboys]

Why did the politics forum get infested with trolls? did the trollers in the nba forum get kicked out again?

[boutons_deux]

I think reasonable people stop reading at this point. I did.

Have anything that gives unbiased facts?

This should be on the dispatcher's recording, as a fact, no bias. You Could Look It Up.

[Wild Cobra]

This should be on the dispatcher's recording, as a fact, no bias. You Could Look It Up.
Do you understand how to relate the two things I bolded, together?

"We don’t need you to do that" is not an explicit instruction.

The author of the article is painting a biased picture.

What else is the author deceptive about?

[LnGrrrR]

Hypothetically...

If Zimmerman was following Treyvon thinking he was just going to keep his distance so he could pinpoint his location for the policeman he knew was coming...

If Treyvon thought the guy obviously following him was a mugger/crackhead/mexican gang banger

If Treyvon decides the best defense is a good offense and turns the corner out of Zimmermans sight and then stops and waits for Zimmerman to catch up and then sucker punches him and starts beating the shit out of him as he turns the corner...(grass stains on his BACK, bleeding from the front and back of his head consistent with physical evidence) and it was Zimmerman screaming for help...

It's a terrible tragic misunderstanding, but is it still murder...?

You're forgetting the important questions though, like

IF Trayvon could read minds, why didn't he realize Zimmerman wasn't going to do anything?

And IF dinosaurs were real, and one stepped on my car, would my insurance cover it?

[LnGrrrR]

BTW, where was all the outrage from you guys when those two black guys told that white kid last week..."You get what you deserve, white boy!"...then poured gasoline all over him and set him on fire...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html

I didn't realize there were laws that allowed someone to burn another.

Oh wait, there's not? Then maybe there's a reason why people are interested in this case.

[boutons_deux]

"We don’t need you to do that" is not an explicit instruction."

who said it was?

It's that horrible, ugly faddish phrase that replaces "Please".

The "I need you to sign here" order has replaced "Would you please sign here?" request.

The neighborhood watch instruction is NOT to carry a gun and NOT to confront suspects. The national neighborhood watch org is distancing itself from the armed, confronting murderer.

[boutons_deux]

1. Zimmerman, by all accounts, was preoccupied with young black males. He had called 911 46 times since January 1, 2011. I’m 50 years old and have lived in Los Angeles, Atlanta, New York City, and Miami my entire life. I’ve called 911 once, when my dad had a sudden heart attack. This guy called 911 46 times in 14 months, with most of the calls reporting “suspicious behavior of a black male”. 46 times.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/murder-or-self-defense-florida-case-raises-questions/

the armed, vigilante Zimmerman was out to bag himself a young males n!gg@.

Mission Accomplished

[Wild Cobra]

"We don’t need you to do that" is not an explicit instruction."

who said it was?

The author of what you quoted. Didn't you read what you quoted? Since it is blatantly false, why should I continue reading the authors work?

[Wild Cobra]

1. Zimmerman, by all accounts, was preoccupied with young black males. He had called 911 46 times since January 1, 2011. I’m 50 years old and have lived in Los Angeles, Atlanta, New York City, and Miami my entire life. I’ve called 911 once, when my dad had a sudden heart attack. This guy called 911 46 times in 14 months, with most of the calls reporting “suspicious behavior of a black male”. 46 times.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/murder-or-self-defense-florida-case-raises-questions/

the armed, vigilante Zimmerman was out to bag himself a young males n!gg@.

Mission Accomplished
Please show the evidence that proves that contention. Most those calls to 911 and police had nothing to do with skin color. I think only two did. But please, go over the 46 reports. I may have missed one or two.

Oh...

You need to be corrected on something. Those 46 calls were over the course of 8 years. Not 14 months. That count of 46 calls starts in 2004.

[Trainwreck2100]

seriously? Shut the fuck up obama and do your goddamn job.

[spursncowboys]

If he did his presidency like his brackets, he might be the best!

[Nbadan]

If he hadn't followed the most horrible President since Calvin Coolidge he might be the best President in modern times...

[DMX7]

We're already on page 5 and still no Trayvon Martin troll? I'm not saying there should be, but I'm also not saying there shouldn't be.

[Nbadan]

...blame...

rkvRYg2ZmY0#!

[ElNono]

No.

Once again, I am pointing out possibilities, and putting holes in the single sided theory that Zimmerman was out to get this guy.

Please point to any of my posts that leave that impression. If you find one, please refer to some posts before it that I may have been addressing.

I do not pretend to know the facts like the online psychics we have here. I am only showing they do not know what else may have occurred.

I do this on a regular basis on threads like this. Don't yo know that by now?

You opinion is no better than anybody else's opinion... you should know that by now.

[ElNono]

Some of you guys remind me of Nancy Grace and the Duke LaCrosse team. She and the press had those guys totally convicted before they heard any facts.

or Casey Anthony... she just wanted to know what kind of lethal injection Casey was going to get before the trial even started.

[Agloco]

BTW, where was all the outrage from you guys when those two black guys told that white kid last week..."You get what you deserve, white boy!"...then poured gasoline all over him and set him on fire...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html

My anger is in the thread that no one bothered to start.

Where was yours? So intense it was that it landed in the same place as mine tbh.

EDIT: If a thread was indeed started, apologies. My search comes up dry though.

[ChumpDumper]

BTW, where was all the outrage from you guys when those two black guys told that white kid last week..."You get what you deserve, white boy!"...then poured gasoline all over him and set him on fire...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.htmllol what prompted this straw man?

[CosmicCowboy]

lol what prompted this straw man?

GFY

A legitimate question in an appropriate thread.

Asshole

[Winehole23]

a ghoulish and horrifying crime. that kid lived, though.

[Winehole23]

why are you comparing them? are they both hate crimes in your view?

[CosmicCowboy]

why are you comparing them? are they both hate crimes in your view?

I don't have enough facts concerning either case to define the motive as a "hate crime".

[CosmicCowboy]

a ghoulish and horrifying crime. that kid lived, though.

Only because the 13 year olds father was there and sacrificed his hands (burnt them right down to the meat) to put the fire on his son out. And the fact that he didn't burn all the way to death makes a difference why?

[Winehole23]

the distinction between aggravated assault and murder?

[Winehole23]

if the victim dies, the crime may be different

[CosmicCowboy]

oh OK. :lol

[Jacob1983]

Obama has given his opinion on current events more than any other president in my lifetime. Why does he still want people to like him and think he's cool and hip?

[ChumpDumper]

Obama has given his opinion on current events more than any other president in my lifetime. Why does he still want people to like him and think he's cool and hip?You really post stupid things.

[ChumpDumper]

GFY

A legitimate question in an appropriate thread.

AssholeIt's a load of shit.

Prove to us you posted about that before someone told you to be angry about it now. Then you might have a point.

I'll retract if you did.

[Winehole23]

oh OK. :lolwhether the victim lives or dies is no laughing matter for the plaintiff, the defendants or the victim. is it one for you?

[cheguevara]

Obama has given his opinion on current events more than any other president in my lifetime. Why does he still want people to like him and think he's cool and hip?

there's an election in November

[Spurminator]

He was asked to comment on it. He commented. If you don't like it, blame the reporter who wanted a soundbite.

[cheguevara]

He was asked to comment on it. He commented. If you don't like it, blame the reporter who wanted a soundbite.

not the point. He made it racial by using the words "looked like me"

that was the mistake

[Oh, Gee!!]

not the point. He made it racial by using the words "looked like me"

that was the mistake

If a half black man has a son with his all black wife, its not a stretch to imagine he might look like trayvon. The comment wasn't racist, it was folksy.

[cheguevara]

If a half black man has a son with his all black wife, its not a stretch to imagine he might look like trayvon. The comment wasn't racist, it was folksy.

not saying the comment was racist. just bringing up the race issue.

what do Trayvon's looks have to do with the case?

[Creepn]

We're already on page 5 and still no Trayvon Martin troll? I'm not saying there should be, but I'm also not saying there shouldn't be.

Yeah there's one but he's making stupid comments in the NBA section for now.

[Creepn]

not saying the comment was racist. just bringing up the race issue.

what do Trayvon's looks have to do with the case?

It's just a comment geez. Stop looking so hard into it.

[cheguevara]

It's just a comment geez. Stop looking so hard into it.

I'd agree if they were comments from a regular person at a cocktail party. Not the Commander In Chief on national TV.

[Creepn]

I'd agree if they were comments from a regular person at a cocktail party. Not the Commander In Chief on national TV.

He is a regular person. He just has a public government job.

Also, isn't that what people wanted? A more down to earth president?

[Wild Cobra]

not the point. He made it racial by using the words "looked like me"

that was the mistake
Agreed.

What else could he of meant?

[cheguevara]

He is a regular person. He just has a public government job.

Also, isn't that what people wanted? A more down to earth president?

problem is he based his racial comment on assumptions primarily inflated by the media. Pretty rookie mistake for the person who's supposed to lead this nation

[CosmicCowboy]

problem is he based his racial comment on assumptions primarily inflated by the media. Pretty rookie mistake for the person who's supposed to lead this nation

Not the first time...Princeton?

[Oh, Gee!!]

Agreed.

What else could he of meant?

That if he had a son, he would look like a black male

[Oh, Gee!!]

I think if obama has a son it would like clay aiken. But that's bc I'm not a racist, I don't assume that a child born to black parents will automatically be black.

[cheguevara]

That if he had a son, he would look like a black male

how is that relevant to the case?

[Creepn]

problem is he based his racial comment on assumptions primarily inflated by the media. Pretty rookie mistake for the person who's supposed to lead this nation

Did you even see the speech? There was nothing about race in it. He actually encouraged to limit judgement and let the investigation do its thing. Here's the video.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/03/obama-my-son-would-look-like-trayvon/1#.T3DMFmEgfKc

The "Trayvon son" part was something he said directly to the parents to let them feel that he can relate to them. That is it.

[Oh, Gee!!]

how is that relevant to the case?

An attempt to have a human connection with the grieving parents/extended family/friends. What a dick, right?

[cheguevara]

An attempt to have a human connection with the grieving parents/extended family/friends. What a dick, right?

why make that public then? why does the rest of America need to know that?

[Spurminator]

problem is he based his racial comment on assumptions primarily inflated by the media. Pretty rookie mistake for the person who's supposed to lead this nation

You're inferring more of a racial nature to the comments than what was actually said. If that's the comment from the President that was the closest to making it a racial issue, then it's a pretty big stretch to accuse him of making it a racial issue.

Trayvon was a teenager. Underneath the hoodie he looked like a normal kid. That's the message that seems to be the main theme of the comments, especially when read in context.

If it sounds racially motivated to anyone, it's probably because they're hearing what they want to hear. Whether they're black or another run-of-the-mill helpless white slave-to-racial-double-standards.

[Creepn]

Ok now you're just nitpicking Che.

[Spurminator]

why make that public then? why does the rest of America need to know that?

Because he was asked to comment. Go write the reporter a letter.

I never took you for a Rush Limbaugh type.

[Winehole23]

I never took you for a Rush Limbaugh type. inept troll is my working hypothesis. the che thing is so obviously a pose...

[cheguevara]

Because he was asked to comment. Go write the reporter a letter.

was he asked to comment on the race of the victim, or on the case altogether?

[Spurminator]

was he asked to comment on the race of the victim, or on the case altogether?

He didn't comment on the race of the victim. He acknowledged that the shooting affected him as a parent.

[Creepn]

was he asked to comment on the race of the victim, or on the case altogether?

Here's the transcript:

Well, I'm the head of the executive branch and the attorney general reports to me, so I've got to be careful about my statements to make sure that we're not impairing any investigation that's taking place right now.

But, obviously, this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. And when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. And, you know, I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together -- federal, state and local -- to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.

So I'm glad that not only is the Justice Department looking into it, I understand now that the governor of the state of Florida has formed a task force to investigate what's taking place. I think all of us have to do some soul-searching to figure out how does something like this happen. And that means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident.

But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. And, you know, I think they are right to expect that all of us, as Americans, are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

---------------------------

Where was race mentioned?

[cheguevara]

Again using the words 'he would look like me' have racial connotations. I don't think I'm alone on that one.

I'm confused as to why the president would contribute to the 'racial' factor in the case.

[Wild Cobra]

Again using the words 'he would look like me' have racial connotations. I don't think I'm alone on that one.

I'm confused as to why the president would contribute to the 'racial' factor in the case.
At best, it was a poor choice of words.

Actually rather normal for this idiot we have as president.

[Creepn]

Sorry, but I just don't see any racial contributions. All I see is a famous public figure reaching out to this family and establishing an emotional connection. Guess our discussion will just have to end there.

[Wild Cobra]

Sorry, but I just don't see any racial contributions. All I see is a famous public figure reaching out to this family and establishing an emotional connection. Guess our discussion will just have to end there.

Do all boys look like Obama?

Generally, a statement like that implies some kind of separation. The obvious is between blacks and whites. What else could it be?

Is is because Trayvon is 6'+, 160 lbs, and toned? Obama is tall and skinny, right? Does Obama wish to have a tall boy?

[Creepn]

Do all boys look like Obama?

Generally, a statement like that implies some kind of separation. The obvious is between blacks and whites. What else could it be?

Is is because Trayvon is 6'+, 160 lbs, and toned? Obama is tall and skinny, right? Does Obama wish to have a tall boy?

Looking at the genetic traits between him and his wife, common sense would say that they wouldn't have to wish for a tall son. Also, I'm quite sure that the boy will turn out brown, like his 2 daughters.

Besides that part of the message was not meant for you or anybody else except to the parents.

[cheguevara]

Besides that part of the message was not meant for you or anybody else except to the parents.

:lmao

[Creepn]

:lmao

So if a man PUBLICLY proposes to his woman, is he asking everybody who heard the proposal to marry him?

[Spurminator]

Che, you and Rush Limbaugh and all of the other butthurt Republican cheerleaders are the only ones making this statement a racial thing. No reasonable person would have any issue with what the President said.

If you're so sensitive about racial issues then quick helping manufacture outrage where none is warranted.

[Wild Cobra]

Che, you and Rush Limbaugh and all of the other butthurt Republican cheerleaders are the only ones making this statement a racial thing. No reasonable person would have any issue with what the President said.
LOL...

Liberals assume white against black racism all the time. Doesn't it make sense to reverse the tables, even if it isn't believed by those saying it?

Ironic that the same people who dish it out, can't take it.

[cheguevara]

I'm just asking questions trying to get some answers.

I still haven't gotten a valid response as to why the choice of words 'he would look like me' makes any sense other than bringing up race.

I still like Obama, but it is,as someone else has said, a poor choice of words at best.

[Oh, Gee!!]

He shouulda said "they killing black people up in this bitch!!"

[Spurminator]

LOL...

Liberals assume white against black racism all the time. Doesn't it make sense to reverse the tables, even if it isn't believed by those saying it?

Ironic that the same people who dish it out, can't take it.

I'm not interested in your game. I favor intellectual honesty. This statement proves you just want to keep score, which verifies that nothing you say can be taken seriously.

But we knew that already.

[Spurminator]

I'm just asking questions trying to get some answers.

I still haven't gotten a valid response as to why the choice of words 'he would look like me' makes any sense other than bringing up race.

I still like Obama, but it is,as someone else has said, a poor choice of words at best.

You're choosing not to take the most reasonable interpretation. Instead, you take the Rush Limbaugh approach of interpreting it in whatever manner gets people buzzing.

That, or you're stupid. I'd like to think it's the former, though.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, che and WC want to play racial politics very, very badly.

[cheguevara]

:lol I'm simply asking questions as to what the motive of Obama was to bring up race

still not getting a good answer. best thing I got was 'to make a connection with the family'

:rolleyes

[Creepn]

:lol I'm simply asking questions as to what the motive of Obama was to bring up race

still not getting a good answer. best thing I got was 'to make a connection with the family'

:rolleyes

I think you want us to say what you want us to say. Why don't you enlighten us and tell us why Obama brought up "race" in his speech.

[David Duke]

:lol I'm simply asking questions as to what the motive of Obama was to bring up race

still not getting a good answer. best thing I got was 'to make a connection with the family'

:rolleyes

It was cause confusion sir. Its what they do, ya know.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol I'm simply asking questions as to what the motive of Obama was to bring up race

still not getting a good answer. best thing I got was 'to make a connection with the family'

:rolleyesToo bad you were the one who made it racial. It says much more about you than Obama.

No wonder you tried to make excuses for Ron Paul's racist newsletters.

[cheguevara]

Too bad you were the one who made it racial. It says much more about you than Obama.

how did I make it racial if Obama is the one who uttered "he would look like me"?


No wonder you tried to make excuses for Ron Paul's racist newsletters.

when you don't have a good argument you bring up Ron Pauls letters

weak :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

how did I make it racial if Obama is the one who uttered "he would look like me"?He didn't mention race at all. You did.


when you don't have a good argument you bring up Ron Pauls letters

weak :rolleyesMy argument is your racial sensitivity is not consistent whatsoever, and almost completely dependent on whether you think it somehow benefits Ron Paul or not.

That's the way fanatics think -- or cynical, disingenuous douches anyway -- and you have proved yourself one or both here.

Yeah, who am I kidding? You're both.

[cheguevara]

He didn't mention race at all. You did.

He did bring it up by using the "looks like me" wording.



My argument is your racial sensitivity is not consistent whatsoever, and almost completely dependent on whether you think it somehow benefits Ron Paul or not.


completely different situations.

One is a president bringing up the race issue in a shooting case while speaking to the nation. The other is racial letters Ron Paul denied writing. You're all mixed up :lol

[ChumpDumper]

He did bring it up by using the "looks like me" wording.Nope. You made an inference based on your own desire to make it about race.


completely different situations.

One is a president bringing up the race issue in a shooting case while speaking to the nation. The other is racial letters Ron Paul denied writing. You're all mixed up :lolYes, your wild inconsistency on race is indeed all mixed up -- but explained by your fanatical douchiness.

[cheguevara]

Nope. You made an inference based on your own desire to make it about race.

it was about race. Why else would Obama say "he would look like me" :downspin:



Yes, your wild inconsistency on race is indeed all mixed up -- but explained by your fanatical douchiness.

:lol btw I am not calling Obama a racist. I like the guy. All he did is use some poor wording at best, at worst a bad attempt at gaining public support in a tough election year. Politicians fuck up, it happens.

[ChumpDumper]

it was about race. Why else would Obama say "he would look like me" :downspin:Because there is a resemblance. You want to make that passing comment a black power salute.


:lol btw I am not calling Obama a racist. I like the guy. All he did is use some poor wording at best, at worst a bad attempt at gaining public support in a tough election year. Politicians fuck up, it happens.Nice walk back. Glad I could help bring about that move.

[cheguevara]

Because there is a resemblance. You want to make that passing comment a black power salute.

:lmao :wow



Nice walk back. Glad I could help bring about that move.

Check post #1 in this thread. I haven't changed my stance


Is he politicizing the Treyvon story and bringing up race issue?

[ChumpDumper]

That's not a stance. That's a question.

Are you really this stupid?

[cheguevara]

That's not a stance. That's a question.

Are you really this stupid?

not my fault you're an idiot if 7 pages into this thread you still don't know my opinion on the subject :lol

[ChumpDumper]

not my fault you're an idiot if 7 pages into this thread you still don't know my opinion on the subject :lolNot my fault you said your stance is posting loaded questions then walking back from them when you feel exposed. :lol

[cheguevara]

Not my fault you said your stance is posting loaded questions then walking back from them when you feel exposed. :lol

:lol arguing with someone when you don't even know their position on the subject

[ChumpDumper]

:lol arguing with someone when you don't even know their position on the subject:lol You explicitly said your position was a question.

[ChumpDumper]

Check post #1 in this thread. I haven't changed my stance:lol

[cheguevara]

:lol You explicitly said your position was a question.

no idiot. I proved my position by countless posts in this thread through 7 pages read through them and you will know why I quote post #1. I didn't know you have a 5 minutes memory. No wonder you extend threads for no reason. Wasteful IMO :lol

[ChumpDumper]

no idiot. I proved my position by countless posts in this thread through 7 pages read through them and you will know why I quote post #1. I didn't know you have a 5 minutes memory. No wonder you extend threads for no reason. Wasteful IMO :lolIt's not my fault your stated stance is a loaded question.

You flaunt your ignorance all over these threads. It's kind of funny that you think you are hanging in any of these arguments.

[cheguevara]

you obviously aren't getting it. Not surprising at this point. I'll try to be more descriptive on my positions next time to help you out. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

you obviously aren't getting it. Not surprising at this point. I'll try to be more descriptive on my positions next time to help you out. :tuIt won't help. You never make much sense anyway. It's entertaining though. I'll grant you that. :tu

[cheguevara]

I'd be more entertaining if you actually argued positions rather than reach for straws. strawman. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

I'd be more entertaining if you actually argued positions rather than reach for straws. strawman. :tuLooks like you are afraid to state your position now. If you had one other than parroting Rush Limbaugh, it's not apparent.

Feel free to make a concise statement now. No one is stopping you. :tu

[cheguevara]

sure thing: Obama brought up race with his comments. Dumb political mistake given no evidence of a racial bias or race crime.

glad to help out. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

sure thing: Obama brought up race with his comments. Dumb political mistake given no evidence of a racial bias or race crime.

glad to help out. :tuThat's cool. I already said that said more about your eagerness to make the issue racial than his.

Thanks for proving it all over again. :tu

[RandomGuy]

sure thing: Obama brought up race with his comments. Dumb political mistake given no evidence of a racial bias or race crime.

glad to help out. :tu

?? Haven't been following this, but how exactly did he "bring up race"?

[RandomGuy]

Well, I'm the head of the executive branch and the attorney general reports to me, so I've got to be careful about my statements to make sure that we're not impairing any investigation that's taking place right now.

But, obviously, this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. And when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. And, you know, I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together -- federal, state and local -- to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.

So I'm glad that not only is the Justice Department looking into it, I understand now that the governor of the state of Florida has formed a task force to investigate what's taking place. I think all of us have to do some soul-searching to figure out how does something like this happen. And that means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident.

But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. And, you know, I think they are right to expect that all of us, as Americans, are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

I take that to mean "I am a fellow parent. That could have been my kid. I feel for your loss."

[ChumpDumper]

I take that to mean "I am a fellow parent. That could have been my kid. I feel for your loss."That's because you make everything about race!

[RandomGuy]

The text that you have entered is too long (28289 characters). Please shorten it to 20000 characters long. Meh, too long. Click on the link.
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http://www.constitutioncenter.org/amoreperfectunion/

FWIW.

[TheMACHINE]

http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/obama-if-i-had-a-son-hed-look-like-trayvon-birth-certificate-sad-hill-news-33.jpg

[Spurminator]

?? Haven't been following this, but how exactly did he "bring up race"?

Because he's a black President, which is unusual, a comment comparing him to a son must be racially relevant.

On the other hand, a white President saying this about a white shooting victim would not be newsworthy, because everyone knows Presidents are typically white.

[DMX7]

Obama is a zebra, remember?

[SA210]

?? Haven't been following this, but how exactly did he "bring up race"?


That's not surprising

[Jacob1983]

Will Obama offer any sympathy to the family of the boy that was set on fire in Kansas City in February? Wait a minute, that boy is white. But Obama is technically white since his mom was white. Interesting.

[Winehole23]

do you see an inconsistency?

[Goran Dragic]

Will Obama offer any sympathy to the family of the boy that was set on fire in Kansas City in February? Wait a minute, that boy is white. But Obama is technically white since his mom was white. Interesting.
:lmao

[Jacob1983]

Obama is a joke when it comes to the problems of black people. He's giving his two cents on this shit but why hasn't he stepped up to do something about gang violence in Chicago? That is his hometown right? And what about black on black violence?

Why is it that people only give a shit when it's white on black violence? Isn't that in a way racist?

[Winehole23]

Why is it that people only give a shit when it's white on black violence? Isn't that in a way racist?would be if it were true, but it isn't.

[Goran Dragic]

Obama is a joke when it comes to the problems of black people. He's giving his two cents on this shit but why hasn't he stepped up to do something about gang violence in Chicago? That is his hometown right? And what about black on black violence?

Why is it that people only give a shit when it's white on black violence? Isn't that in a way racist?
:lol this wasn't white on black violence. This was hispanic on black violence. Try again.

[Wild Cobra]

:lol this wasn't white on black violence. This was hispanic on black violence. Try again.
Yes, but they are reporting him as white.

Peruvian mother
White father

Good enough for the sensationalism.

[ChumpDumper]

lol agenda

[cheguevara]

of course media has an agenda, media's job is to sell news to make a profit, they don't give a fuck what it is. shhh don't tell Dumpster. He thinks they just want to inform ppl out of the goodness of their hearts :lol

[RandomGuy]

That's not surprising

I tend to ignore manufactured, fake outrage. Sorry.

[RandomGuy]

Will Obama offer any sympathy to the family of the boy that was set on fire in Kansas City in February? Wait a minute, that boy is white. But Obama is technically white since his mom was white. Interesting.

You do know President Obama was respondign to a specific question posed by a reporter, right?

Obama would offer condolences to the family of that boy, if asked.

Do you think he wouldn't?

[RandomGuy]

Obama just pandering to the minority vote with all his pro illegal immigrant policies and nigga sympathizing...rich politician doesn't give a fuck about this kid and is probably ashamed of his black half deep down tbh.

You do know this administration has seen record number of deportations, right?


How exactly is that "pro-illegal immigrant"?

[ChumpDumper]

of course media has an agenda, media's job is to sell news to make a profit, they don't give a fuck what it is. shhh don't tell Dumpster. He thinks they just want to inform ppl out of the goodness of their hearts :lolYour agenda is much more obvious and much less ingenuous.

[Jacob1983]

Just admit the truth. People don't give a shit about black on black violence or black on white violence. It's only a big deal when it's white on black violence.
White people are held to higher standards. Society is fucked up.

[Winehole23]

White people are held to higher standards.not in courtrooms

[Gutter92]

Just admit the truth. People don't give a shit about black on black violence or black on white violence. It's only a big deal when it's white on black violence.
White people are held to higher standards. Society is fucked up.

Yea, theres never any news reports of white people being killed by black people..its never a big deal...:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

Yea, theres never any news reports of white people being killed by black people..its never a big deal...:lmao
It's so common it never makes the front page. Let a whiote kill a black though...

National headlines...

How dare a white someone kill a person whom has special rights?

[Jacob1983]

In court rooms, black people tend to get screwed. White people are held to higher standards according to society. White people get more shit when they are racist or bigots or have some type of prejudice or hatred. If a person from a minority group does that, it's not that bad.

Don't fuckin' lie and say it's the same. There are double standards and hypocrisy when it comes to racism and prejudice.

[ChumpDumper]

Poor, oppressed whitey. You got it so bad.

[Winehole23]

White people get more shit when they are racist or bigots or have some type of prejudice or hatred. If a person from a minority group does that, it's not that bad.Boo hoo. Life ain't fair. Do you wish you were black?

[Gutter92]

In court rooms, black people tend to get screwed. White people are held to higher standards according to society. White people get more shit when they are racist or bigots or have some type of prejudice or hatred. If a person from a minority group does that, it's not that bad.

Don't fuckin' lie and say it's the same. There are double standards and hypocrisy when it comes to racism and prejudice.

Well, when you look back at America's history and see how well it treated all of the minority groups, maybe you'd understand why the majority (whites) are held to a higher standard...and this is coming from a white man. You have to look at it in context considering the race relations in the US haven't ever been very good.

[Goran Dragic]

In court rooms, black people tend to get screwed. White people are held to higher standards according to society. White people get more shit when they are racist or bigots or have some type of prejudice or hatred. If a person from a minority group does that, it's not that bad.

Don't fuckin' lie and say it's the same. There are double standards and hypocrisy when it comes to racism and prejudice.
:cry white people get treated like shit :cry
:cry I want affirmative action! :cry

[cheguevara]

:lol white people crying about mistreatment

[Spurminator]

In court rooms, black people tend to get screwed. White people are held to higher standards according to society. White people get more shit when they are racist or bigots or have some type of prejudice or hatred. If a person from a minority group does that, it's not that bad.

Don't fuckin' lie and say it's the same. There are double standards and hypocrisy when it comes to racism and prejudice.

White people are unfairly punished for:
Racism

White people are given leniency on:
Drug possession
Theft
Loitering
Wearing hoodies
Having wacky religious beliefs
Money laundering
Tax evasion
Insider trading
Screwing people out of their savings
Driving in the suburbs
Meeting their white girlfriend's parents



Poor oppressed white people. It must be so difficult living your life everyday with the fear that someone might call you a bigot. :cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

[cheguevara]

white men are also the most sought after race for marriage due to their privileged life :cry

yeah chicks will have fun with a minority guy, but when it's time to settle down, nothing beats a blue eyed, blonde white man :cry

what a terrible life the white man has :cry

[hater]

white men are also the most sought after race for marriage due to their privileged life :cry


that has a lot to do with the fact that the white husbands are the most docile and easily controlled of the bunch.

look around and you see mostly white men changing diapers, holding purses and being yelled at by their women. minority guys, not so much

bitches like to be control freaks and the white man is their utopia

[CosmicCowboy]

that has a lot to do with the fact that the white husbands are the most docile and easily controlled of the bunch.

look around and you see mostly white men changing diapers, holding purses and being yelled at by their women. minority guys, not so much

bitches like to be control freaks and the white man is their utopia

Or maybe we just do that stuff because we are a little more enlightened and less chauvinistic.

[hater]

Or maybe we just do that stuff because we are a little more enlightened and less chauvinistic.

nope. White men are more docile and subservient towards the opposite sex in general. And women levitate towards that since they generally want to control the relationship. That plus white men have generally better credit, jobs, homes and cars than the rest.

[DarrinS]

white men are also the most sought after race for marriage due to their privileged life :cry

yeah chicks will have fun with a minority guy, but when it's time to settle down, nothing beats a blue eyed, blonde white man :cry

what a terrible life the white man has :cry




that has a lot to do with the fact that the white husbands are the most docile and easily controlled of the bunch.

look around and you see mostly white men changing diapers, holding purses and being yelled at by their women. minority guys, not so much

bitches like to be control freaks and the white man is their utopia





:lmao @ this shit

[hater]

truth hurts

[CosmicCowboy]

nope. White men are more docile and subservient towards the opposite sex in general. And women levitate towards that since they generally want to control the relationship. That plus white men have generally better credit, jobs, homes and cars than the rest.

:lmao

fucking animal

[hater]

truth hurts

:lmao

[DarrinS]

truth hurts


I thought us conservative "white" guys wanted our women barefoot and pregnant and put in-their-place (i.e. the kitchen). As you are well aware, we are waging a war on women.

[GSH]

I guess if Barry had a son, he wouldn't look like these two young men. British tourists. Inter-racial crime. In the wrong neighborhood. Brutally, senselessly gunned down. Their parents asked Barry for a statement multiple times. He never even responded.

I know, the wingnuts are going to say "That's totally different." And you're right. Something is different in this case. But what could it be? What would make Barry give a statement in one case, even before he knew the facts - but refuse to even respond to the parents in the other case? Something I'm not seeing. Hmmm...

http://29.mm.g-media.com/180930.jpg


BTW - this is the killer in the case Barry wouldn't acknowledge. Nope... I still don't see it.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00669/UK_News_10-1_jpg_669127t.jpg
http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/dynamic/01034/N01680413329737906_1034727t.jpg

[hater]

white man might want to wage war on the other women out there who want to fuck and make money. But white man is a subservient obedient lapdog to his own woman more usual than not

[DarrinS]

white man might want to wage war on the other women out there who want to fuck and make money. But white man is a subservient obedient lapdog to his own woman more usual than not

:lmao

Sig worthy.

I'll read all your posts differently from this day forward.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess if Barry had a son, he wouldn't look like these two young men. British tourists. Inter-racial crime. They were in the wrong neighborhood. Their parents asked Barry for a statement multiple times. He never even responded.Is it the president's responsibility to respond to every such request?

Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

Will Obama offer any sympathy to the family of the boy that was set on fire in Kansas City in February? Wait a minute, that boy is white. But Obama is technically white since his mom was white. Interesting.

You do know President Obama was respondign to a specific question posed by a reporter, right?

Obama would offer condolences to the family of that boy, if asked.

Do you think he wouldn't?


Just admit the truth. People don't give a shit about black on black violence or black on white violence. It's only a big deal when it's white on black violence.
White people are held to higher standards. Society is fucked up.

That is a dodge.

Do you, or do you not, think that the president would offer condolences to that boy's parents, if asked?

Yes, or no.

[GSH]

Is it the president's responsibility to respond to every such request?

Yes or no.

Absolutely not. It's his job to be horribly inconsistent, and a race-baiter.

It's his job to make statements about ongoing investigations, without the facts.

It's his job to presume that the white person is wrong, as in The Case Of The Beer Summit Professor. (Catchy title for a book, no?)

And, most obviously, it's his job to get re-elected no matter the cost.


Fuck off, Chump. I'm not playing into your stupid reductionist arguments. You don't get to dictate "Yes or No", like I'm a hostile witness in a court. You're one of the three biggest idiots on here for trying to play that bully shit on an internet forum.

[GSH]

Here, Chump. You like reductionist arguments so much. Do you agree with me, or are you defending this brutal killer? Which one? No other answers are possible.


His (Obama's) failure to respond to three letters sent to the White House was because there was no "political value" and not worthy of a few minutes of his time.

They spoke out as teenager Shawn Tyson began a life sentence after being found guilty of the murder of James Cooper and James Kouzaris last April. The 17 year old, who shot the men as they begged for their lives, will die in prison.

His conviction of first degree murder carries an mandatory life sentence without the chance of parole. The powerfully built teen even looked bored as emotional DVD presentations about the dead men prepared by their grieving parents were shown in court.

[ChumpDumper]

Absolutely not. It's his job to be horribly inconsistent, and a race-baiter.

It's his job to make statements about ongoing investigations, without the facts.

It's his job to presume that the white person is wrong, as in The Case Of The Beer Summit Professor. (Catchy title for a book, no?)

And, most obviously, it's his job to get re-elected no matter the cost.


Fuck off, Chump. I'm not playing into your stupid reductionist arguments. You don't get to dictate "Yes or No", like I'm a hostile witness in a court. You're one of the three biggest idiots on here for trying to play that bully shit on an internet forum.:lol

What can I say? I like the meltdowns that come out of this questioning.

Thank you for yours! :toast

[ChumpDumper]

Here, Chump. You like reductionist arguments so much. Do you agree with me, or are you defending this brutal killer? Which one? No other answers are possible.


His (Obama's) failure to respond to three letters sent to the White House was because there was no "political value" and not worthy of a few minutes of his time.

They spoke out as teenager Shawn Tyson began a life sentence after being found guilty of the murder of James Cooper and James Kouzaris last April. The 17 year old, who shot the men as they begged for their lives, will die in prison.

His conviction of first degree murder carries an mandatory life sentence without the chance of parole. The powerfully built teen even looked bored as emotional DVD presentations about the dead men prepared by their grieving parents were shown in court.Where did the "political value" quote come from?

[GSH]

Where did the "political value" quote come from?

It doesn't matter. You just have to pick one side or the other. Mine, or the side of the brutal killer.


And for the record, Chump - I make you dance like a puppet on here on a regular basis. You're one of the easiest to make jump, and you always devolve into an angry high school kid.


Now come on... jump, puppet, jump.

[cheguevara]

white males are the most persecuted group in america today

by women with fucked up credit

[Facts]

I guess if Barry had a son, he wouldn't look like these two young men. British tourists. Inter-racial crime. In the wrong neighborhood. Brutally, senselessly gunned down. Their parents asked Barry for a statement multiple times. He never even responded.

I know, the wingnuts are going to say "That's totally different." And you're right. Something is different in this case. But what could it be? What would make Barry give a statement in one case, even before he knew the facts - but refuse to even respond to the parents in the other case? Something I'm not seeing. Hmmm...



Number of reported murders in the United States during 2010 14,748

Number of paper letters received by the White house in the same period, based on weekly average of 65,000: 3,380,000

8 Hour workdays required to spend ten minutes on a letter for 14,748 victims: 307

Number of people depending on the President of the United States of America to do things other than write letters expressing sympathy for murder victims as of 17:15 UTC (EST+5) Mar 29, 2012: 7,003,628,680

Number of questions posed to President in a press conference or other public venue about this incident: zero.

Number of whiny, race-baiting, unsubstantiated, accusatory douchbag posts by you in this thread: TBD.

[Facts]

Where did the "political value" quote come from?



Two close friends of the dead men who had attended the eight day trial in Sarasota, Florida. had also delivered highly emotional impact statements to the court prior to the sentencing.
Paul Davies and Joe Hallett spoke of the "living hell" they and others who knew the men had suffered since the murders.
During the eight day trial they had been shown graphic crime scene and autopsy photos shown in court.
Later speaking after Tyson was jailed Davies and Hallett lashed out at Mr Obama saying the deaths of their friends was "not worthy of ten minutes of his time."
Davies said:"We would like to publicly express our dissatisfaction at the lack of any public or private message of support or condolence from any American governing body or indeed, President Obama himself.
"Mr Kouzaris has written to President Obama on three separate occasions and is yet to even receive the courtesy of a reply.
"It would perhaps appear that Mr Obama sees no political value in facilitating such a request or that the lives of two British tourists are not worthy of ten minutes of his time."

[ChumpDumper]

It doesn't matter. You just have to pick one side or the other. Mine, or the side of the brutal killer.:lol you don't even know what you are demanding at this point. U mad.


And for the record, Chump - I make you dance like a puppet on here on a regular basis. You're one of the easiest to make jump, and you always devolve into an angry high school kid.


Now come on... jump, puppet, jump.Actually, you're the one who just had a meltdown. I can see how you would try to mitigate it by trying to bait me.

[ChumpDumper]

[Answered GSH's question for him since he was too busy melting down]

Thanks! That would've been relevant and damning from a particular source. Too bad for GSH it wasn't.

[DisAsTerBot]

Number of reported murders in the United States during 2010 14,748

Number of paper letters received by the White house in the same period, based on weekly average of 65,000: 3,380,000

8 Hour workdays required to spend ten minutes on a letter for 14,748 victims: 307

Number of people depending on the President of the United States of America to do things other than write letters expressing sympathy for murder victims as of 17:15 UTC (EST+5) Mar 29, 2012: 7,003,628,680

Number of questions posed to President in a press conference or other public venue about this incident: zero.

Number of whiny, race-baiting, unsubstantiated, accusatory douchbag posts by you in this thread: TBD.

damn, i really liked this troll....until he went on the offensive.
stick to the facts!

[Th'Pusher]

Absolutely not. It's his job to be horribly inconsistent, and a race-baiter.

It's his job to make statements about ongoing investigations, without the facts.

It's his job to presume that the white person is wrong, as in The Case Of The Beer Summit Professor. (Catchy title for a book, no?)

And, most obviously, it's his job to get re-elected no matter the cost.


Fuck off, Chump. I'm not playing into your stupid reductionist arguments. You don't get to dictate "Yes or No", like I'm a hostile witness in a court. You're one of the three biggest idiots on here for trying to play that bully shit on an internet forum.

It's not like Obama held a press conference to make a statement on Treyvon. He was asked by a reporter and answered. Has a reporter specifically asked Barry about the white tourists that were murdered?

[Facts]

white males are the most persecuted group in america today

Number of men exonerated by DNA evidence after being convicted in Dallas County, Texas: 20

Number of white people: 3
Number of blacks: 17
Number of years collectively served by the wrongfully convicted men, not including parole: 250+

Number of whiney white males, jealous of other people's victim cards: TBD

[GSH]

This even looks kinda like your avatar, Chump-Puppet.
http://marionette.cz/images/T/Hansel.jpg

[Facts]

damn, i really liked this troll....until he went on the offensive.
stick to the facts!

I am not sticky.

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry you had the meltdown, GSH.
Hope you can calm down.

[Wild Cobra]

Number of men exonerated by DNA evidence after being convicted in Dallas County, Texas: 20

Number of white people: 3
Number of blacks: 17
Number of years collectively served by the wrongfully convicted men, not including parole: 250+

Number of whiney white males, jealous of other people's victim cards: TBD
Would the ratio of blacks to whites in the prison system also be close to 17:3 by chance?