REPUG War on Female Sex

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War On Women: Anti-Contraception Lit Handed Out At Conservative Conference Headlined By Santorum, Paul Ryan

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/26/451292/anti-contraception-literature-afp-conference/

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Frank Rich nails the Repug misogyny:

Stag Party

The GOP’s woman problem is that it has a serious problem with women.

http://nymag.com/print/?/news/frank-rich/gop-women-problem-2012-4/

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Hypocrisy of one (many? all?) anti-abortionist:


"He shared a story about one of the loudest abortion foes he ever encountered, a woman who stood year in and year out on a ladder, so that her head would be above other protesters’ as she shouted “murderer” at him and other doctors and “whore” at every woman who walked into the clinic.

One day she was missing. “I thought, ‘I hope she’s O.K.,’ ” he recalled. He walked into an examining room to find her there. She needed an abortion and had come to him because, she explained, he was a familiar face. After the procedure, she assured him she wasn’t like all those other women: loose, unprincipled.

She told him: “I don’t have the money for a baby right now. And my relationship isn’t where it should be.”

“Nothing like life,” he responded, “to teach you a little more.”

A week later, she was back on her ladder."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/opinion/sunday/bruni-a-catholic-classmate-rethinks-his-religion.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

[101A]

Based on the link in the OP; I'm telling all of my children (2 boys 18, 11 - one girl 14) that if they absolutely, positively do not want to be parents before they are married/out of college/some future date when it would be less traumatic to life - that they have to abstain.

Does that make me anti-woman? According to the link, it implies I am.

[CuckingFunt]

According to the link, it implies I am.

No. It doesn't.

[boutons_deux]

"that they have to abstain."

anti-woman? Yes, because abstinence as been demonstrated not to work compared with other methods.

So, yes, you are encouraging your kids to fail at birth control, to produce unwanted pregnancy, which the woman gets stuck with, rarely the guy. iow, abtinence IS anti-woman, and an big part of the Repug war on female sex.

[cheguevara]

war on women

class warfare

war on the rich

war on the poor

blah, blah, blah

what bunch of regurgitated bullshit

[CuckingFunt]

"that they have to abstain."

anti-woman? Yes, because abstinence as been demonstrated not to work compared with other methods.

So, yes, you are encouraging your kids to fail at birth control, to produce unwanted pregnancy, which the woman gets stuck with, rarely the guy. iow, abtinence IS anti-woman, and an big part of the Repug war on female sex.

Abstinence is not anti-women. That's a stupid thing to say.

Preaching abstinence at the exclusion of other methods is potentially anti-women, since as you mention it is women and girls who are stuck with the physical, psychological, and often financial ramifications of unwanted pregnancy. And demonizing birth control is certainly anti-women, since it paints women who merely want to protect themselves as sluts and/or baby killers. But encouraging kids to hold off on having sex until they're physically and emotionally ready for all its potential consequences is just responsible parenting (as is recognizing and acknowledging that all the encouraging in the world isn't going to magically stop all teenagers from fucking).

[boutons_deux]

"Abstinence is not anti-women. That's a stupid thing to say."

As personal policy, no, but as govt/public policy, abstinence as birth control has failed miserably to prevent unwanted pregnancies, so to continue pushing abstinence as public policy is anti-women (pro-unwanted pregnancy).

[EVAY]

I do not believe that republicans have a war against women. I do not believe that republicans hate women.

I DO believe that Rick Santorum and much of the Roman Catholic and evangelical religious activists in America hate women. I think that the Roman Catholic Church has effectively engaged in a war on women since about the 6th century A.D.

To the extent that the republican platform reflects the value set of the religious-right activists, and to the extent to which the republican candidates are beholden to that activist group for its political coffers and volunteers, then there may be some argument there.

[EVAY]

^^^^But the more I think about it, I think most of the national republicans are merely beholden to the fat cat Super Pacs.

[baseline bum]

Telling teens to abstain from fucking is like telling someone to become a vegetarian.

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I do not believe that republicans have a war against women. I do not believe that republicans hate women.



Exactly, your beliefs trump all the evidence.

[Creepn]

Telling teens to abstain from fucking is like telling someone to become a vegetarian.

lol.

[EVAY]

Exactly, your beliefs trump all the evidence.

Well, at least I state my beliefs as beliefs, not as fact.

Care to try that yourself?

[Creepn]

My cousin had her sweet 16 last Saturday and she vowed in front of everybody and the pastor that she would not have sex until she is married.

Maybe have more sweet 16's?

[Spurminator]

I DO believe that Rick Santorum and much of the Roman Catholic and evangelical religious activists in America hate women.

Eh, I don't think they hate women, they just have archaic ideas about gender roles.

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you beliefs are beliefs, make up your own shit

facts are facts, try looking them up (like the studies on public policy abstinence as teen birth control)

[CuckingFunt]

"Abstinence is not anti-women. That's a stupid thing to say."

As personal policy, no, but as govt/public policy, abstinence as birth control has failed miserably to prevent unwanted pregnancies, so to continue pushing abstinence as public policy is anti-women (pro-unwanted pregnancy).

Great. But that has nothing to do with the question 101A asked; the question to which your post responded.

101A was attempting to attack the posted article through an invented implication that parents who encourage abstinence are themselves, on an individual level, anti-women. Which is asinine. However, your response, in all its "repugs is evil" glory, merely serves to reduce the conversation to contentious name calling.

[Creepn]

And demonizing birth control is certainly anti-women, since it paints women who merely want to protect themselves as sluts and/or baby killers. .

That's basically what it boils down to. The thinking is that having such access to birth control is a green light to go fuck anybody you want. Didn't Rush call that woman a slut and wanted birth control for her slutty ways? Ridiculous. My dad gave me a knife, it's not a green light for me to go stab someone even though I know the consequences.

[TeyshaBlue]

Well, at least I state my beliefs as beliefs, not as fact.

Care to try that yourself?

Your beliefs are irrelevant. You will be assimilated by the bot.

[TeyshaBlue]

you beliefs are beliefs, make up your own shit

facts are facts, try looking them up (like the studies on public policy abstinence as teen birth control)

Equating Evay's beliefs to shit? Stay classy oh enlightened progressive.

:facepalm.

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beliefs are beliefs, just like opinions and assholes, not all of them pass the smell test

[TeyshaBlue]

Doesn't make Evay's beliefs shit.

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some beliefs are simply shit, like Scientology, the Virgin Birth, Mormonism

[z0sa]

lol boutons, laughingstock of Spurstalk

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm not talking about some beliefs...I was refereing to Evay's beliefs which you immediately catagorized as made up shit.

Scientology, the Virgin Birth, Mormonism..ThinkProgress...

[101A]

"that they have to abstain."

anti-woman? Yes, because abstinence as been demonstrated not to work compared with other methods.

So, yes, you are encouraging your kids to fail at birth control, to produce unwanted pregnancy, which the woman gets stuck with, rarely the guy. iow, abtinence IS anti-woman, and an big part of the Repug war on female sex.

Where did I post that I didn't talk openly about all forms of birth control?

[101A]

No. It doesn't.

It mentions flyers encouraging abstinence as a reason the Republican candidates at the forum were "anti-woman".

[Sec24Row7]

"that they have to abstain."

anti-woman? Yes, because abstinence as been demonstrated not to work compared with other methods.

So, yes, you are encouraging your kids to fail at birth control, to produce unwanted pregnancy, which the woman gets stuck with, rarely the guy. iow, abtinence IS anti-woman, and an big part of the Repug war on female sex.

When?
http://www.orthocuban.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bethlehem-star.jpg
Then?

Who?

http://www.imperialteutonicorder.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/virgin_mary.jpg

Her?

I think abstinence has a pretty good track record... even if you call that one a blemish...

[CuckingFunt]

It mentions flyers encouraging abstinence as a reason the Republican candidates at the forum were "anti-woman".

Do you plan to blanket your community with abstinence only flyers? Do you plan to aggressively promote legislation that advocates/mandates abstinence only education in schools? If so, your actions would be, according to this article, anti-women.

But it doesn't sound like that was your intention. Your comments indicated only that you planned to encourage your sons and daughter to practice abstinence as the most reliable form of protection. Such an action is not demonized by those calling recent policy initiatives anti-women, or by the article quoted in the OP. To suggest otherwise is just a silly strawman, and I think you know it.

[Wild Cobra]

Do you plan to blanket your community with abstinence only flyers? Do you plan to aggressively promote legislation that advocates/mandates abstinence only education in schools? If so, your actions would be, according to this article, anti-women.

But it doesn't sound like that was your intention. Your comments indicated only that you planned to encourage your sons and daughter to practice abstinence as the most reliable form of protection. Such an action is not demonized by those calling recent policy initiatives anti-women, or by the article quoted in the OP. To suggest otherwise is just a silly strawman, and I think you know it.
I think people forget that teaching abstinence seldom means teaching only abstinence. It needs to be included as not to make teens thing "everyone is doing it." not everyone does, and those who remain "abstinent" are often ridiculed. This attitude needs to stop.

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Abstinence-Only Education Does Not Lead to Abstinent Behavior, Researchers Find

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111129185925.htm

Review says abstinence-only ed fails teens

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21670758/ns/health-sexual_health/t/review-says-abstinence-only-ed-fails-teens/#.T3DeKtkxkyI

[Sec24Row7]

Abstinence-Only Education Does Not Lead to Abstinent Behavior, Researchers Find

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111129185925.htm

Review says abstinence-only ed fails teens

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21670758/ns/health-sexual_health/t/review-says-abstinence-only-ed-fails-teens/#.T3DeKtkxkyI

Yeah... the abstinence only education isn't very effective at preventing teen pregnancy...

Actual abstinence however has a damned good track record... which is what you were saying doesn't work.

[Spurminator]

I think people forget that teaching abstinence seldom means teaching only abstinence. It needs to be included as not to make teens thing "everyone is doing it."

:lol What does this even mean? How is this different from the current system? Are you under the impression that teachers are somehow prevented from using the word abstinence in schools?

I don't know what kind of moronic teens you grew up around, or the quality of sexual education you received, but most teenagers I went to school with didn't need to be reminded that NOT having sex is one way of preventing STDs and pregnancy... It sort of goes without saying.

Also, discussion of abstinence isn't going to keep kids from hearing about the sexual escapades of their classmates. Teachers can't shelter them from reality when they're surrounded by it every day.

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Yeah... the abstinence only education isn't very effective at preventing teen pregnancy...

Actual abstinence however has a damned good track record... which is what you were saying doesn't work.

Actual abstinence has a nearly perfect track record (unless you're the Virgin Mary).

Abstinence-only as public policy and as "sex education" is a failure.

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I think people forget that teaching abstinence seldom means teaching only abstinence.

False. The dubya/dickhead policy that ONLY abstinence was to be taught in public schools. All teaching (mentioning) of forms of contraception was forbidden. aka, now as the Repug War on Contraception as part of the larger war on female sex.

[ploto]

The part that really confuses me is that I have never met Evangelicals who are so anti-birth control. They seem to have latched onto this idea simply to be anti-Obama. They have never had a problem with a married woman taking the pill that I know of.

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"I have never met Evangelicals who are so anti-birth control."

Rich's article quotes a poll that said 98% of Catholic women have used some kind of forbidden birth control, so they are Mortal Sinners Going To Hell, according to Rome, the Bishops, the priests.

[GSH]

Hypocrisy of one (many? all?) anti-abortionist:


"He shared a story about one of the loudest abortion foes he ever encountered, a woman who stood year in and year out on a ladder, so that her head would be above other protesters’ as she shouted “murderer” at him and other doctors and “whore” at every woman who walked into the clinic.

One day she was missing. “I thought, ‘I hope she’s O.K.,’ ” he recalled. He walked into an examining room to find her there. She needed an abortion and had come to him because, she explained, he was a familiar face. After the procedure, she assured him she wasn’t like all those other women: loose, unprincipled.

She told him: “I don’t have the money for a baby right now. And my relationship isn’t where it should be.”

“Nothing like life,” he responded, “to teach you a little more.”

A week later, she was back on her ladder."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/opinion/sunday/bruni-a-catholic-classmate-rethinks-his-religion.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print


Pretty damned convenient, since he's prohibited by law from giving the name of the person to prove that the story is true. Fact is, it's unethical as hell for him to be sharing a patient story like that, if it really is true. In fact, if anyone was at one of the protests and saw the woman on top of a ladder, they would know who he was talking about - and he just violated the HIPAA laws, and could lose his license.

In other words, the story is bullshit. Once again, Boutons comes up with the most ridiculous shit, and tells it like fact. How about this one, Boutons?

A friend of mine who is a doctor told me, "I treated a man for his inability to get an erection the other day. I'm not saying who it was, but he used to be Vice President, and he even ran for President himself. Anyway, while he was talking to me, he told me that the whole global warming thing is a hoax, and he only endorses it to make himself rich."

It's absolutely true - a doctor said so. And it doesn't violate any confidentiality laws, since he never names the patient.

You mouth-breating loon.

[ploto]

"I have never met Evangelicals who are so anti-birth control."

Rich's article quotes a poll that said 98% of Catholic women have used some kind of forbidden birth control, so they are Mortal Sinners Going To Hell, according to Rome, the Bishops, the priests.

Catholics are not Evangelicals. The Church's stand on birth control is well-known so their opposition at least has some consistency. It is the sudden jump on the anti-birth control bandwagon that I find suspicious.

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I didn't say Catholics were Evangelicals, but there is Evangelism in the some Catholics.

The Catholic Church has always been against all forms of birth control except abstinence and rhythm. I figure some right-wing Evangelical extremists recruited the Bishops for political, not religious/ethical reasons.

[jack sommerset]

I thought it was bad taste and/or politically incorrect to refer to everyday life/political stuff as a "war" so to speak. God bless.

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Americans are a murderous, war-mongering, war-loving people. It's through non-stop, non-ending wars, against external and internal foes, that they define themselves.

[TeyshaBlue]

Americans are a murderous, war-mongering, war-loving people. It's through non-stop, non-ending wars, against external and internal foes, that they define themselves.

That's quite possibly the most asinine thing I have ever read.

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That's quite possibly the most asinine thing I have ever read.

Indict yourself much as clueless asshole?

[TeyshaBlue]

Indict yourself much as clueless asshole?

Congrats. That's 2nd place. You're cooking today.

Sad that you cannot even fathom trying to back up your statement, which you parade as fact while hiding behind the coward's skirts of ad hominems.

Predictable.

[101A]

Yeah... the abstinence only education isn't very effective at preventing teen pregnancy...

Actual abstinence however has a damned good track record... which is what you were saying doesn't work.


True THAT.

I was abstinent (not by choice) for a good long while before I met my wife - and after 21 years of marriage it seems eerily similar to that most of the time these days. I have impregnated no one during these eras.

[boutons_deux]

most asinine thing I have ever read.

... is ad hominem.

I notice you NEVER make a substantive comment nor link, but you do stalk me. GFY

[Winehole23]

slightly related:

http://www.nber.org/papers/w17922

[TeyshaBlue]

most asinine thing I have ever read.

... is ad hominem.

I notice you NEVER make a substantive comment nor link, but you do stalk me. GFY

Get over yourself....:lmao


Substantive as was your completely adsurd statement about American warmongers?

I'll pass.

Yeah, I've got a functioning brain pan. Get one.


And, a hearty GFY to you!:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

slightly related:

http://www.nber.org/papers/w17922

"Our estimates imply that the Pill can account for 10 percent of the convergence of the gender gap in the 1980s and 30 percent in the 1990s."

I'm surprised the estimate is that low, tbh.