TSA defends pat-down of 4-year-old at Kan. airport

[ElNono]

TSA defends pat-down of 4-year-old at Kan. airport (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqXq5uIQG3PmYwliFdyJ2OsPjteA?docId=b726846c3 2164eafa77a4cdeddf2dfcd)

Croft said that for the first few nights after coming home, Isabelle had nightmares and talked about kidnappers. She said TSA agents had shouted at the girl, telling her to calm down and saying the suspect wasn't cooperating.

[hater]

A jihadist could have been hiding under that girl's dress - Rick Santorum

[boutons_deux]

heard on the radio that TSA caused a doctor and his cerebral palsy, braced-up 7-year-old daughter to miss their plane so they could inspect her thoroughly.

Defended it saying just "following procedures", like fucking robots (that's an insult to robots).

[Wild Cobra]

heard on the radio that TSA caused a doctor and his cerebral palsy, braced-up 7-year-old daughter to miss their plane so they could inspect her thoroughly.

Defended it saying just "following procedures", like fucking robots (that's an insult to robots).
Yep, ever since we allowed things like zero tolerance policies, it proved the population was too stupid as a whole to see this authoritarianism spread.

[ElNono]

Diabetic teen upset with TSA screeners at Salt Lake City Airport (http://www.abc4.com/content/news/state/story/TSA-diabetes-salt-lake-insulin-savannah/Az-QjubuEUeXMX7LAbC1Xw.cspx)

"Savannah Barry, a Colorado teenager, was returning home from a conference in Salt Lake City. She is a diabetic and wears an insulin pump to control her insulin levels 24/7. She carries documentation of her condition to assist screeners, who usually give her a pat-down search. This time the screeners listened to her story, read her doctor's letter, and forced her to go through a millimeter-wave body scanner anyway. The insulin pump stopped working correctly, and of course, she was subjected to an invasive manual search. 'My life is pretty much in their hands when I go through a body scan with my insulin pump on,' she says. She wants TSA screeners to have more training. Was this a predictable outcome, considering that no one outside TSA has access to millimeter-wave scanners for testing? Would oversight from the FDA or FCC prevent similar incidents from happening in the future?"

[jack sommerset]

Sounds like the girl threw a temper tantrum and grandma was being grandma. TSA was doing there job. I hope the parents/grandma teach the toddler that carrying on this way only makes matters worse. God bless

[jack sommerset]

Diabetic teen upset with TSA screeners at Salt Lake City Airport (http://www.abc4.com/content/news/state/story/TSA-diabetes-salt-lake-insulin-savannah/Az-QjubuEUeXMX7LAbC1Xw.cspx)

"Savannah Barry, a Colorado teenager, was returning home from a conference in Salt Lake City. She is a diabetic and wears an insulin pump to control her insulin levels 24/7. She carries documentation of her condition to assist screeners, who usually give her a pat-down search. This time the screeners listened to her story, read her doctor's letter, and forced her to go through a millimeter-wave body scanner anyway. The insulin pump stopped working correctly, and of course, she was subjected to an invasive manual search. 'My life is pretty much in their hands when I go through a body scan with my insulin pump on,' she says. She wants TSA screeners to have more training. Was this a predictable outcome, considering that no one outside TSA has access to millimeter-wave scanners for testing? Would oversight from the FDA or FCC prevent similar incidents from happening in the future?"

That's a ton of drama. God bless

"But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another."

[ElNono]

Sounds like the girl threw a temper tantrum and grandma was being grandma. TSA was doing there job. I hope the parents/grandma teach the toddler that carrying on this way only makes matters worse. God bless

In other words, jack and his god support groping 4 year old pseudo-terrerists.

[jack sommerset]

In other words, jack and his god support groping 4 year old pseudo-terrerists.

Uh, no. In my original words, sounds like she threw a tantrum. God bless

[Bill_Brasky]

^if you were a 4 year old girl and some fat weird dudes were trying to grope you, you wouldn't throw a tantrum?

[IWantsACuatro]

Has the TSA really done anything beneficial for us?

I doubt threat of terrorist attacks are bankrupting airlines. It's people not flying because of the fucking TSA. Shameful, is what it is.

Link to an interesting study if yall are really bored: http://www.wm.edu/as/publicpolicy/documents/prs/dhs1.pdf

[jack sommerset]

^if you were a 4 year old girl and some fat weird dudes were trying to grope you, you wouldn't throw a tantrum?




TSA agents that are thoroughly trained were doing their jobs. They search over a million people everyday. That includes people of all ages. This one threw a tantrum. You refer to these professionals as fat men groping a child. Gotcha. God bless

[ElNono]

Uh, no. In my original words, sounds like she threw a tantrum. God bless

If they're trained to grope 4 years olds then the training needs to change.


TSA agents that are thoroughly trained were doing their jobs. They search over a million people everyday. That includes people of all ages. This one threw a tantrum. You refer to these professionals as fat men groping a child. Gotcha. God bless

And apparently they're not trained thoroughly enough to know they'll damage a $10K insulin pump a person's life depends on if forced to go through a scanner...

I'm surprised jack. I though you had a lot less faith in government. Your god apparently has changed you.

[Wild Cobra]

I've been wondering if somebody hijacked Jack's ID.

[jack sommerset]

If they're trained to grope 4 years olds then the training needs to change.



And apparently they're not trained thoroughly enough to know they'll damage a $10K insulin pump a person's life depends on if forced to go through a scanner...

I'm surprised jack. I though you had a lot less faith in government. Your god apparently has changed you.

I can't take you seriously and I doubt you take yourself serious. You are demeaning an entire profession because one 4 year old had a tantrum. They are trained to search not grop. There is no if.

Our court systems are full of lawsuits with all sorts of professions being questioned on their professions. Doctors, lawyers, politicians, firemen, police, TSA, teachers, etc..... People make mistakes. I pray you will always hold yourself to this unattainable high standard you set for others.

Don't be surprised, you don't know me. I have plenty of faith. I'll pray for you tonight. God bless

[boutons_deux]

Next up? airport cavity searches.

[Winehole23]

The Transportation Security Administration has only been around for ten years -- the presumption that it deserves the kind of respect and prestige reflexively accorded to doctors, firemen and the police, is overblown, and surely premature.

[Winehole23]

airports and private security firms did it better, 9/11 notwithstanding.

[ElNono]

I can't take you seriously and I doubt you take yourself serious. You are demeaning an entire profession because one 4 year old had a tantrum. They are trained to search not grop. There is no if.

I'm questioning the entire rationale that dictates a 4 year old could be an alleged terrerist and requires groping. I don't care how you call it, when a complete stranger puts their hands on the kid's balls, it's called groping.


Our court systems are full of lawsuits with all sorts of professions being questioned on their professions. Doctors, lawyers, politicians, firemen, police, TSA, teachers, etc..... People make mistakes. I pray you will always hold yourself to this unattainable high standard you set for others.

We don't even know the TSA methods work or are necessary at all, there's no way you can compare them with centuries-old professions.

As a matter of fact, a country like Israel, who has been dealing with this much longer than we have and with much higher risk, doesn't do any of this, yet are as successful at it.

[jack sommerset]

I'm questioning the entire rationale that dictates a 4 year old could be an alleged terrerist and requires groping. I don't care how you call it, when a complete stranger puts their hands on the kid's balls, it's called groping.



We don't even know the TSA methods work or are necessary at all, there's no way you can compare them with centuries-old professions.

As a matter of fact, a country like Israel, who has been dealing with this much longer than we have and with much higher risk, doesn't do any of this, yet are as successful at it.

You should start to care considering you are trashing an entire profession for doing their job.

Grope not in TSA handbook
1. To make (one's way) by reaching about uncertainly.
2. Slang To handle or fondle for sexual pleasure.

Search is in TSA handbook

To examine in order to find something lost or concealed.
To examine the person or personal effects of in order to find something lost or concealed.

God bless and good day

[Blake]

Except he's not trashing the profession. Just the protocol.

[ElNono]

You should start to care considering you are trashing an entire profession for doing their job.

I have no problem trashing "professional" child molesters. I also question the legalization of that alleged profession, and the benefits such groping provide towards airline security, which happens to be the ultimate goal.


Grope not in TSA handbook
1. To make (one's way) by reaching about uncertainly.
2. Slang To handle or fondle for sexual pleasure.

Search is in TSA handbook
To examine in order to find something lost or concealed.
To examine the person or personal effects of in order to find something lost or concealed.

The bible doesn't advocate/support child molestation either. That hasn't prevented priests from molesting children, has it?

You're dealing with complete strangers, you don't know what they're thinking.
And the bottom line is that it's very questionable any added safety is obtained through groping minors.

[jack sommerset]

I have no problem trashing "professional" child molesters. I also question the legalization of that alleged profession, and the benefits such groping provide towards airline security, which happens to be the ultimate goal.



The bible doesn't advocate/support child molestation either. That hasn't prevented priests from molesting children, has it?

You're dealing with complete strangers, you don't know what they're thinking.
And the bottom line is that it's very questionable any added safety is obtained through groping minors.

You have lost your mind. They are not professional Or any kind of child molester. I will pray for you my brother. God bless

[Das Texan]

airports and private security firms did it better, 9/11 notwithstanding.


what exactly did they fuck up with on 9/11?

if memory serves me correctly, box cutters were allowed on planes by the government.

[Winehole23]

what exactly did they fuck up with on 9/11?What goes without saying, goes without saying.

A craven and timorous US public clamored for vengeance from behind their computer monitors, not minding the toll, paid in various quaint Anglo-American liberties, such as various of the ones detailed in the US Constitution, for the mere promise of better security. The cost has been unprecedented, in dollars and liberty -- for what?

The hollow boast that we were kept safe?

So called peace of mind?

[diego]

I travelled to the US in february with my two kids (ages 1.5 and 3) and was expecting the body scan, and with my wife we agreed we would rather do a manual search, on the assumption that no one touches your kids and they just ask you to remove their clothing. (otherwise, I would have preferred the scanner). But much to our surprise neither us or our kids were asked to do the body scan. We even took a domestic flight and again no body scan (LAX to SFO for those curious), just a traditional metal detector (people without children did have to body scan). For the domestic flight, we were only carrying our home-country ID and not a passport; the TSA dude had to call his boss and fiddle around for a good 15 minutes till deciding the ID was valid. of course, when we travelled by train from LA to SF there was no security whatsoever.

overall, the TSA was less intrusive than I expected, but still pretty stupid-
when we were going back home my wife accidentally left a huge, stainless steel pair of seamstress scissors in the kids carry-on bag. It wasnt caught by security, until we reached Peru for a connecting flight. The xray machine has nothing to do with body scan vs metal detector and is at this point easily the weakest link in the security setup; how sad is it that the operators in Peru did their job better than the ones in San Francisco?

[ElNono]

You have lost your mind.

I disagree. I would actually question the sanity of people allowing their children's genitalia to be touched by complete strangers under the guise of pseudo-security. Strange times we're living in.

[ElNono]

Congress: The TSA Is Wasting Hundreds of Millions In Taxpayer Dollars

"The House Oversight Committee has come out with a report slamming the TSA for tremendous amounts of waste (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120509/10161518848/congress-tsa-is-wasting-hundreds-millions-taxpayer-dollars.shtml), specifically in the 'deployment and storage' of its scanning equipment. Basically, it sounds like the TSA likes to go on giant spending sprees, buying up security equipment and then never, ever using it."

[Winehole23]

Sacramento International is poised to become the third major U.S. airport in the post-Sept. 11 era to employ private security at checkpoints instead of federal agents.


Officials with the Transportation Security Administration (http://topics.sacbee.com/Transportation+Security+Administration/) announced Friday they have approved the airport's application to replace TSA agents with private contractors. Airport officials made the request in April after Congress expanded an opt-out clause in the federal law that created the TSA.


Airport Director Hardy Acree said he believes private screeners can do a more efficient job than government employees and provide the same level of security.
"We're a fan of the private-public partnerships," Acree said. "I think there is going to be a higher level of customer service. (http://topics.sacbee.com/customer+service/)"
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/28/4668499/sacramento-international-airport.html

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/28/4668499/sacramento-international-airport.html#storylink=cpy

[ElNono]

How's that gonna work? A federal agent has the authority to detain you and possibly interrogate you. Are we going to be handing those to private companies too now?

[Winehole23]

good question. tend to doubt it, tho.

[Wild Cobra]

Authority can usually be delegated.

I wonder how many pedophiles will be applying.