2012 Free Agent: Tracy McGrady

[Bruno]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_tracy_mcgrady.jpg
Born: May 24, 1979
Height: 6-8 / 2.03
Weight: 225 lbs. / 102.1 kg.
Prior to NBA / Country:
Mount Zion Christian Acad. HS (NC) / USA
Years Pro: 14

Info (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tracy_mcgrady/career_stats.html)

[ace3g]

Still searching for an NBA franchise willing to guarantee a contract for next season, seven-time All-Star Tracy McGrady worked out for the San Antonio Spurs this week at the team's practice facility, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--tracy-mcgrady-works-out-for-spurs--to-meet-with-knicks.html

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Hmm...

[Kuestmaster]

I would take him for the vet min.

[MaNu4Tres]

Only reason Spurs would consider T-Mac, is if they intend on using Jackson's expiring to improve their front-court situation.

Leonard's minutes are expected to increase over 32 MPG anyway, which makes the back-up SF spot not as vital.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Only reason Spurs would consider T-Mac, is if they intend on using Jackson's expiring to improve their front-court situation.

Leonard's minutes are expected to increase over 32 MPG anyway, which makes the back-up SF spot not as vital.
Could also mean that pop intends to play a ton of small ball with most of Jacksons minutes at the 4.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

SF rotation of Kawhi/Jack/TMac? Yes please.

[loveforthegame]

SF rotation of Kawhi/Jack/TMac? Yes please.

:toast

[Darkwaters]

I'd sign him all day long. We've got plenty of youth on the wings. A stable vet that can do some teaching, and that can step in if needed, is very desirable.

[DesignatedT]

Yeah the only reason I can think of the Spurs working out all these 2s and 3s is if they are planning on making a deal.

[Obstructed_View]

Smells of Pop doing TMac a solid to get his name into the papers.

[szkorhetz]

Yes, please. So Jax could probably be moved, I wonder who could that be. (Tyrus Thomas?)

[bklynspursfan]

If I had to choose between him and Jax. It's Jax all day... Hopefully it doesn't mean a trade that would involve Jackson is in the works.

[baseline bum]

Damn, that would be pretty sweet to get McGrady for the veteran's minimum to use in small-ball lineups (and hopefully take Bonner off the floor). I hope the Spurs can sign him.

[Darkwaters]

If I had to choose between him and Jax. It's Jax all day... Hopefully it doesn't mean a trade that would involve Jackson is in the works.

No, I think a McGrady signing would just replace Byers on the roster. If anybody is getting moved though it's probably Gary Neal.

[bklynspursfan]

No, I think a McGrady signing would just replace Byers on the roster. If anybody is getting moved though it's probably Gary Neal.

I can dig that then.

[bus driver]

tmac is a loser,

[cd98]

McGrady sucks. He hasn't been relevant in years. If we are going to get an older player who's athleticism is gone, it should be on a big, who can at least play physical. McGrady plays small forward, a position that requires competing against the best athletes in basketball. He's not a good enough shooter from outside to make up for his lack of athleticism. He will fail on our roster.

[phxspurfan]

The majority of SpursTalk approves of this signing. Front office, you may consider this an approval to sign the 6'8" human victory cigar.

[baseline bum]

McGrady could also play some point like he did in Detroit. I'm failing to see the negative in signing the guy to a minimum deal if he agrees.

[Dex]

McGrady could also play some point like he did in Detroit. I'm failing to see the negative in signing the guy to a minimum deal if he agrees.

True, but I don't really see the need unless we just get littered with injuries to our PGs.

With Parker, Mills, De Colo, Joseph, and Neal, we already have 4.5 PGs.

Still, if he wants to sign for the vet min, I'd be glad to see what he has left in the tank and expand the SF rotation a bit. If nothing else, would at least make the season a bit more entertaining.

[Bruno]

I don't want him.

Spurs FO only focus should be to improve Spurs defense. McGrady won't help in that area.

[AussieFanKurt]

I don't want him.

Spurs FO only focus should be to improve Spurs defense. McGrady won't help in that area.

Correct :toast

[Juggity]

Personally, I'd like to see the Spurs get past the first round of the playoffs.

But maybe that's just me.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

They should offer him a deal and then at the very last second when it seemed all but impossible to lose it, rip it away from him. LET'S SEE HOW YOU LIKE IT, YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!

[Hooks]

I don't want him.

Spurs FO only focus should be to improve Spurs defense. McGrady won't help in that area.

....

[Spurs Brazil]

Pass. He's done

[Trill Clinton]

I don't want him.

Spurs FO only focus should be to improve Spurs defense. McGrady won't help in that area.

This.

First Kapono now TMac...wtf?

[8FOR!3]

Kapono is a three point shooter, McGrady is a player. He's gotten the experience of being the guy who once was a top 3 player in the world. He's a veteran of the game who can distribute the ball well. He's got good length for a SF and he can play some point. Few people understand the game of basketball like he does, I'd take him for the vet min absolutely.

[Chomag]

Only thing I can see out of this I Spurs are shopping at least one of their forwards and maybe guards. I dont want to see Jackson go, but if its to better the team I understand the sacrifice.

[Trill Clinton]

Kapono is a three point shooter, McGrady was a player.

He's gotten the experience of being the guy who once was a top 3 player in the world. experience on offense but can't play a lick of defense. we had the best offense in the league last year without him.

He's a veteran of the game who can distribute the ball well.
a skill that we do not desperately need at that position

He's got good length for a SF and he can play some point. Few people understand the game of basketball like he does, I'd take him for the vet min absolutely. i agree with you on his experience, he's 33 years old so he should understand the game better than most players. but at this point his game is 1 dimensional like bonner's. not to mention his bad back. no thanks.

[mexicanjunior]

I could only see this going down if we moved Neal and/or S-Jax. If that trade improves our front court, and we sign Mcgrady after, I would be onboard with the move.

[crc21209]

I always thought he was a guard, not a SF. But I would take him behind Kawhi and Jack....

[CGD]

I've said it before, in this league I'm fine collecting as many 6'7" to 6'10" guys who can play 2 or more positions. TMac fits that bill. Spurs just doing their due diligence though.

[TD 21]

I always thought he was a guard, not a SF. But I would take him behind Kawhi and Jack....

Like Jackson, he played more SG in his prime, but at 6-8, 225, with limited athleticism/speed/quickness left, he's clearly strictly a SF at this point. The guard skills remain, but he can no longer defend SG's.

He was my second favorite player in the early aughts, but I don't want him. He's not a good fit with the Spurs, for a myriad of reasons. 1) He's still best with the ball in his hands, as a point forward type. 2) He's an erratic outside shooter. 3) He's a sub par defender. 4) He's not a great competitor or teammate.

[wildbill2u]

He had super skill set early in his career but after 14 seasons and a serious leg injury a few years ago I don't see him as still a player, especially at a position where some mobility and quickness are needed.

Several teams have given up on him and I wonder if his attitude is still bad about not being able to start. He was a cancer in Houston when he came back from his injury because he wanted his old job back, but apparently couldn't cut it physically any more.

He's One of those vets who hasn't realized it's probably time to hang 'em up.

[therealtruth]

I don't want him.

Spurs FO only focus should be to improve Spurs defense. McGrady won't help in that area.

The defense was better last year in the playoffs and it really highlighted how much of a weak link Neal and Bonner are. Manu also showed some slips and I think that is more accountability than anything. Pop is going to claim their too old to defend well but he's still got to hold them more accountable.

[Seventyniner]

The defense was better last year in the playoffs and it really highlighted how much of a weak link Neal and Bonner are. Manu also showed some slips and I think that is more accountability than anything. Pop is going to claim their too old to defend well but he's still got to hold them more accountable.

One (perhaps) positive thing is that Blair and Neal are two of the three worst defenders on the team, and they're the most likely to get moved or cut given their non-guaranteed contracts. The Spurs should be able to squeeze out a mid-to-high 2nd rounder for at least one of them. A 1st-rounder is highly unlikely, unless maybe the Spurs package both.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

One (perhaps) positive thing is that Blair and Neal are two of the three worst defenders on the team, and they're the most likely to get moved or cut given their non-guaranteed contracts. The Spurs should be able to squeeze out a mid-to-high 2nd rounder for at least one of them. A 1st-rounder is highly unlikely, unless maybe the Spurs package both.
this is what i hope happens. Then use the 3 remaining roster spots to sign Kenyon Martin, Fesenko, & Derrick Brown.

[racm]

I want the Spurs to win a playoff series. DO NOT WANT.

[Russo21]

13 points in 35 seconds

LMAO that was devastating

[Seventyniner]

^At least that season ended in a title. I'd take that tradeoff any day.

[Russo21]

Sign TMAC to backup Leonard
Sign Fesenko (heard we're having a look at him, you cant teach size)

then maybe that's all we'd need but...

Trade any combo of Blair Bonner and Neal for a mobile athletic defensive big man and we're in the hunt.

[Ice009]

Kapono is a three point shooter, McGrady is a player. He's gotten the experience of being the guy who once was a top 3 player in the world. He's a veteran of the game who can distribute the ball well. He's got good length for a SF and he can play some point. Few people understand the game of basketball like he does, I'd take him for the vet min absolutely.

Tmac was very good, great even, for a time, but I don't think he was ever a top three player in the world.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Yea he was never top three in the world. He was top 3 SG for the first half of his career. would even go as far to say he was best SG in league for a year or 2.

[Bruno]

Spurs working out TMac also shows that Spurs' situation is a little more complicate than the "we love our team" said by RC and Pop back in July. You don't bring a player with TMac past to a workout without a serious intend of signing him. Spurs FO is still trying to improve the team and I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade happening between now and the start of the training camp.

[dbestpro]

Spurs working out TMac also shows that Spurs' situation is a little more complicate than the "we love our team" said by RC and Pop back in July. You don't bring a player with TMac past to a workout without a serious intend of signing him. Spurs FO is still trying to improve the team and I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade happening between now and the start of the training camp.

With Sjax salary the only big men out their in perhaps a multi team scenario that might make a splash is Josh Smith and Amare. Not sure what Ferry would want with Smith in his last year, but it would probably be centered around picks, which we do not have many of.

If it is Amare, it could make sense in that it would give NY some cash relief, fix a chemistry issue, and beef up their bench, but they would have to take back quite a few players to match salaries, thus the reason to look at filler level players. Probably will never happen, but just a hunch.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

With Sjax salary the only big men out their in perhaps a multi team scenario that might make a splash is Josh Smith and Amare. Not sure what Ferry would want with Smith in his last year, but it would probably be centered around picks, which we do not have many of.

If it is Amare, it could make sense in that it would give NY some cash relief, fix a chemistry issue, and beef up their bench, but they would have to take back quite a few players to match salaries, thus the reason to look at filler level players. Probably will never happen, but just a hunch.
maybe Jax + splitter & some picks for Josh Smith might get it done. not really willing to give up that much for a possible 1 year rental.

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs working out TMac also shows that Spurs' situation is a little more complicate than the "we love our team" said by RC and Pop back in July. You don't bring a player with TMac past to a workout without a serious intend of signing him. Spurs FO is still trying to improve the team and I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade happening between now and the start of the training camp.

You can say that until the cows come home, but that doesn't always mean there will be a cause-effect relationship. Tracy is a friggin third string forward. He's going to ROT on the end of the bench behind Leonard and Jackson.

[Hoops Czar]

maybe Jax + splitter & some picks for Josh Smith might get it done. not really willing to give up that much for a possible 1 year rental.

Holy sh%t... :lmao:lmao:lmao Yeah, that might do it.

[gambit1990]

if we trade jackson and then he gets bought out, could we re-sign him or did the league make a rule to stop that from happening? i can't remember.

[Bruno]

With Sjax salary the only big men out their in perhaps a multi team scenario that might make a splash is Josh Smith and Amare.

I won't speculate on names Spurs could target because these are just wild speculations but Jackson $10M expiring contract is a relatively nice trade asset. Spurs could too have some trade talks including Bonner and have auditioned T-Mac as a possible stretch PF.

[lefty]

Fuck T-Mac



Jax FTW

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

if we trade jackson and then he gets bought out, could we re-sign him or did the league make a rule to stop that from happening? i can't remember.

Now the rule is that you have to wait a year before signing that player again.

[monkeypunk]

Fuck T-Mac



Jax FTW

Unless we get a killer return on a Jax trade, FO would be stupid to trade him.

[slick'81]

finley 2.0 yes

[gambit1990]

Now the rule is that you have to wait a year before signing that player again.

thanks. it used to just be a month iirc. i love jackson and what he brings to the team, i wouldn't like to see him go... but if that's what it takes to get significantly better at the 4, then i guess it's what we'll have to do.

[TD 21]

Spurs working out TMac also shows that Spurs' situation is a little more complicate than the "we love our team" said by RC and Pop back in July. You don't bring a player with TMac past to a workout without a serious intend of signing him. Spurs FO is still trying to improve the team and I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade happening between now and the start of the training camp.

Yeah, I was thinking this too. Brown, Kapono, etc. can be passed off as due diligence/potential camp fodder, but even at this point in his career, you don't bring a name of McGrady's magnitude in unless you're serious. And as has been said by others, there's only reason to believe they'd be serious if they're making a trade. It doesn't necessarily have to involve Jackson, either. As you alluded to, it could be Bonner. It could also be Neal.

Even though I said yesterday that I didn't want him, if they traded Neal and didn't get a perimeter player back, then having him as the 11th-12th man couldn't hurt. He may not be what they need, but even in the state he's in, from a sheer talent standpoint, they could do worse for a fifth wing. Plus, he'd provide another small ball PF option.

[CGD]

Unless we get a killer return on a Jax trade, FO would be stupid to trade him.

If come trade deadline spurs are in the 6-8 seed, they be stupid NOT to trade Jax. It's too good a peice. Plus given iur trackrecord with unreatricted free agents, it would sure up some decent parts while avoiding overpaying to lure a free agent in the summer.

In this respect I think TMac makes sense.

[sexinthatsx]

we are all forgetting how much of a better passer T-Mac is than S-Jax. Two things we need in this team are: passing (because Tony can't do it all himself, and Manu's injuries set back ball rotation) and rebounding. T-Mac can fill the passing void.

[monkeypunk]

If come trade deadline spurs are in the 6-8 seed, they be stupid NOT to trade Jax. It's too good a peice. Plus given iur trackrecord with unreatricted free agents, it would sure up some decent parts while avoiding overpaying to lure a free agent in the summer.

In this respect I think TMac makes sense.

My point is that it better be a near homerun of a trade to get rid of Jax, who was the only one playing to win towards the end of the OKC series. He plays much much better D than JHo or TMac and can hit that 3 with regularity.

[Ice009]

Sjax is a killer, the rest of these guys are pussies.

[spurspokesman]

Do not want. Doesn't address a our need.

[Duncanoypi]

forget t-mac...Aguilar is playing in training camp!

[G-Dawgg]

I'd trust T-Mac in the playoffs over that scrub Danny Green.....

[Kool Bob Love]

I'd trust T-Mac in the playoffs over that scrub Danny Green.....

http://blacksportsonline.com/index/tracy%20virgin.jpg

[TDomination]

13 points in 35 seconds

LMAO that was devastating

If he could continue this kind of scoring it would be worth it.

13pts in 35 seconds

thats approx. 26pts in every minute.

could easily avg. 780pts a game if he plays about 30 minutes.

[ace3g]

Danny Green ‏@DGreen_14

Wow....

Danny Green ‏@DGreen_14

What just happened??? Woke up to getting hit with a damn freight train

--

Can Green be traded?

[timtonymanu]

Tweet seems a little vague. Anything more to it?

[Duncan2177]

Danny Green ‏@DGreen_14

Wow....

Danny Green ‏@DGreen_14

What just happened??? Woke up to getting hit with a damn freight train

--

Can Green be traded?

:wow

[Ditty]

Could Green even be traded he just resigned?

[ace3g]

I don't even know if he can be yet, usually you have wait so many months after signing a new contract, not up to par on CBA.

** ESPN Trade Machine lists his trade restriction to Jan 15, 2013

[elemento]

3 months or December 15, whichever is later.

When did he sign ?

I don't think he is talking about a trade tbh.

[timtonymanu]

ace scared me. :lol I thought we signed T-Mac.

[Indazone]

Sign him! Poetic justice. Either he gets a ring or Spurs do not advance past the first round lol.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Y! Sources: Tracy McGrady finalizing deal to play season for



















Qingdao of Chinese Basketball Association. http://tinyurl.com/9ektael

lol, had to do it

[Seventyniner]

Guess the Spurs weren't that interested after all.

Is there any possibility of the Spurs signing T-Mac if they trade Jax at the deadline? I know all those Nuggets that played in China were able to sign near the end of last season. I only ask because it's one potential reason the Spurs would take a look at him.

[wildbill2u]

My point is that it better be a near homerun of a trade to get rid of Jax, who was the only one playing to win towards the end of the OKC series. He plays much much better D than JHo or TMac and can hit that 3 with regularity.

You are part of the cult that thinks Jax 'can hit the 3 with regularity" He can't. He average as a 3 pt shooter is not good for his career nor for th last few years. Last three years % are .288, .278 and .306. which is not good at all for a SG/SF.

Last year, when the Spurs were the top 3 pt team with a team average of .39%, the only players that shot a worse average were TP, Cory Joseph, James Anderson and TJ Ford. Ford and Joseph didn't attempt many and I exclude Blair and TD who didn't shoot any in 5 attempts between them. Even the muich maligned Richard Jefferson hit at a .421 clip on 190 attempts.

[racm]

You are part of the cult that thinks Jax 'can hit the 3 with regularity" He can't. He average as a 3 pt shooter is not good for his career nor for th last few years. Last three years % are .288, .278 and .306. which is not good at all for a SG/SF.

Last year, when the Spurs were the top 3 pt team with a team average of .39%, the only players that shot a worse average were TP, Cory Joseph, James Anderson and TJ Ford. Ford and Joseph didn't attempt many and I exclude Blair and TD who didn't shoot any in 5 attempts between them. Even the muich maligned Richard Jefferson hit at a .421 clip on 190 attempts.

Mostly because he was relied on as the first option. Jackson's not suited for that role. I think his 3p% went way up when he got traded to SA.

[ChuckD]

You are part of the cult that thinks Jax 'can hit the 3 with regularity" He can't. He average as a 3 pt shooter is not good for his career nor for th last few years. Last three years % are .288, .278 and .306. which is not good at all for a SG/SF.

Last year, when the Spurs were the top 3 pt team with a team average of .39%, the only players that shot a worse average were TP, Cory Joseph, James Anderson and TJ Ford. Ford and Joseph didn't attempt many and I exclude Blair and TD who didn't shoot any in 5 attempts between them. Even the muich maligned Richard Jefferson hit at a .421 clip on 190 attempts.

Horry Jr. tbh. Limit his minutes and turn him loose in the playoffs. We have enough "regular season" players to fill the gaps until April.

[Arcadian]

1) He's still best with the ball in his hands, as a point forward type. 2) He's an erratic outside shooter. 3) He's a sub par defender. 4) He's not a great competitor or teammate.

What you (and many others) fail to realize is that people can and do adapt to different situations. Many players have come to the Spurs and adapted well, contrary to what people thought - take Jackson for example. Human behavior is a product of dynamic interaction with the surrounding context. In other words, part of who you are is defined by your surrounding teammates. One player will be different on different teams. People aren't as static as you think.

[TDMVPDPOY]

is he broke or someshit, why he going to china to play? when he can earn that amount just talkin shit as an analyst on tv ....

be funni if he still cant get out of the first round in china

[racm]

Horry Jr. tbh. Limit his minutes and turn him loose in the playoffs. We have enough "regular season" players to fill the gaps until April.

Well, why not replace all of Bonner's minutes with Jax's in the playoffs? IIRC he shot something like 50+%/60+/90% in the 2012 postseason. :wow

[99 Problems]

China? Well Millsy looked like Dr.J over there and look how they treated him.

[benefactor]

He'll likely be one of the most popular players every to play there. I'm sure China still loves him from the Yao years on the Rockets.

[TD 21]

What you (and many others) fail to realize is that people can and do adapt to different situations. Many players have come to the Spurs and adapted well, contrary to what people thought - take Jackson for example. Human behavior is a product of dynamic interaction with the surrounding context. In other words, part of who you are is defined by your surrounding teammates. One player will be different on different teams. People aren't as static as you think.

And what you fail to realize is that this is not about adapting to different situations; it's about not being a fit for the type of role he'd have to play on this team (even if he did have a good attitude).

The thing about Jackson is, he established himself in the league as a prototypical 3D role player and is known for being a great (or at least, very good) competitor and teammate. Plus, he's got a prior history with the Spurs. So the transition was largely seamless for him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

man this clown has the skillset to be still playing in the nba somewhere off the bench, ur telling me his not better than the 6th man down to the 13th man on the roster, his clowning around in the CBA puttin up some nice stats this season on no effort with a league of scrubs who looks like playin no defense...

i think the spurs could use him as a point forward, a lengthy big with long arms and height who can shoot and handle the ball, could care less about his defense since bench players dont even play any defense in the nba...ur telling me his not better than bonner, blair, mills, de colo, neal? shit...i think his a slight improvement over green offensively....the way he shoots and shot selection is just beautiful to watch, so effortless...

[jermaine]

Why even sign De Colo when you have Mills an Neal an your in need of a big or a stretch 4!?! Mr. Cross Eyed is waaaaay better than either one of them. I sit an think of the game McGrady came back an won by himself against us.

[spursnatic]

Why even sign De Colo when you have Mills an Neal an your in need of a big or a stretch 4!?! Mr. Cross Eyed is waaaaay better than either one of them. I sit an think of the game McGrady came back an won by himself against us.Yeah I remember that game as if it were yesterday...I was sure we had that game in the Bag?..But at this point anything will help with our two SF being out due to injury..They are a BIG part of what we do and without them we are giving up atleast 15 pts a night

[DesignatedT]

Anyone?

[TheGoldStandard]

Well he's old and busted, so he does fit the Spurs system.

[DPG21920]

He had his moments even last year, but ugh.

[Pop]

Well he's old and busted, so he does fit the Spurs system.

:lol

[TheGoldStandard]

They'll bring him in, he'll list his medical history and they'll all laugh, smoke a cigar and sign him up.. 2 minutes later he'll have fractured something in the parking lot... So is the spurs destiny.

[szkorhetz]

i would love him. Really. He could still be useful. Bring him in!

[HarlemHeat37]

Fuck no, tbh..

McGrady can't play in a system, tbh..he's a high usage player that no longer has the athletic ability or talent to justify the amount of touches he needs..

[TheGoldStandard]

Shoot, the Spurs will call Michael Jordan to see if he was serious about a comeback.

[timtonymanu]

With the luck of our players' health lately, I expect T-Mac to break his ankle the first game. No thanks!

[chapnis]

Maybe he can score 13 points in 40 seconds for us or some BS.

[therealtruth]

That would be playing with fire. You don't really want to test McGrady's ability to not get out of the first round.

[Danny.Zhu]

Do it.

[adonis827]

not eligible for the playoffs?

[szkorhetz]

not eligible for the playoffs?
he would be eligible.

[TampaDude]

Well he's old and busted, so he does fit the Spurs system.

:lol

[wut]

Do we really want another Steve Smith?

[Russo21]

Bring the motherfucker in. 13 points in 35 seconds couldnt hurt in the playoffs at some stage lol

[ohmwrecker]

Spurs aren't signing anyone. They are rolling into soft, white, gimpy as fuck and playing the worst basketballof the season.