Rumor: Celtics interested in Danny Green

[tony77]

http://www.celticsblog.com/2012/6/10/3076801/rumor-celtics-interested-in-danny-green

[Wild Cobra Kai]

He has no Ubuntu. They'll be disappointed.

[sehui]

how about a sign n trade instead? avery bradley looks like an amazing defender

[ChumpDumper]

So it's not actually a rumor.

[elemento]

It's pretty simple

We match a reasonable offer or let him go if Boston overpays. i doubt they offer more than 3m though.

[Borat Sagyidev]

We need a tough PG, if Green wants out, we need to shop options.

Fair deal: Rondo for Green and TP

[Kidd K]

It's pretty simple

We match a reasonable offer or let him go if Boston overpays. i doubt they offer more than 3m though.

Boston has a hell of a lot more cash than SA. . .so they can easily afford to "overpay" for their whole team if need be. They'll still be in the black. Same with the Lakers, Bulls, Knicks, and other large market teams.

[dunkman]

I'm not sure if the Spurs offense can function with a pass first PG. Rondo doesn't shot well, Parker drives better too. But tbh Rondo patiently reads the defense than sets high % shots for the team mates. To have such a PG is like having a dominant bigman. He's a great defensive player, can guard well SG's too.

[sehui]

why would boston give up rondo, a younger more athletic PG, for tony parker, a 30 yr old PG, where it's arguable that rondo is more or less equivalent or even better than parker, along with his youth/potential?

[ducks]

it takes a year or two years for players to know each other replacing tp with rhonda would be step backwards
it took duncan 2 years to start trusting tp

[JustinJDW]

Cool. They get Green. We get KG. :downspin:

[chazley]

why would boston give up rondo, a younger more athletic PG, for tony parker, a 30 yr old PG, where it's arguable that rondo is more or less equivalent or even better than parker, along with his youth/potential?

This offensive is all about ball movement - Pop would give his left nut to have a pass first point guard, that's why we've tried to get Chris Paul and Jason Kidd in the past.

[tkang456]

This offensive is all about ball movement - Pop would give his left nut to have a pass first point guard, that's why we've tried to get Chris Paul and Jason Kidd in the past.

Where in the hell did we ever try to get chris paul? ur such a trolll:lmao

[temujin]

Spurs can bring back Malik Hairston for a fraction of what Green might cost.
He's had two very good years, has lots of experience now, including clutch shots at Pionir, to keep Milano in the Euroleague top 16.
Anyone who can make shots at Pionir in the 4th will have no problems with NBA playoffs.
Tough kid.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Great. So, instead of keeping a guy who at least hits three pointers MOST of the time, we go get Hairston, who never hits them?

In this offense, you cannot be a wing or guard and get playing time if you don't have a three pointer.

[G-Dawgg]

Fuck Danny Green. He's a bitch. Toss him in the same pile as Matt Bonner.

[temujin]

Great. So, instead of keeping a guy who at least hits three pointers MOST of the time, we go get Hairston, who never hits them?

In this offense, you cannot be a wing or guard and get playing time if you don't have a three pointer.

I'd say that Hariston 48% in Euroleague and 42% in the Italian league from 3 is not exactly never hitting them.

[tesseractive]

Spurs can bring back Malik Hairston for a fraction of what Green might cost.
He's had two very good years, has lots of experience now, including clutch shots at Pionir, to keep Milano in the Euroleague top 16.
Anyone who can make shots at Pionir in the 4th will have no problems with NBA playoffs.
Tough kid.

Unless Hairston is coming for the minimum, he'll require either the LLE or a portion of the MLE. We can resign Green on an Early Bird exception, leaving us free to use our other exceptions on other players.

[PDXSpursFan]

I'll let Green walk. Instead, use the money to sign a decent backup PG. Ginobili should start at SG and Neal be his backup.

[Budkin]

No, keep Green.

[temujin]

Unless Hairston is coming for the minimum, he'll require either the LLE or a portion of the MLE. We can resign Green on an Early Bird exception, leaving us free to use our other exceptions on other players.

I wonder what Spurs would do if he's offered >2.5 M /3 years.

[G-Dawgg]

Danny Green is trash but Hairston is even shittier tbh....

[smaka]

Keep Green unless anyone else is prepared to overpay him... then let him go.

[z0sa]

Fuck Danny Green. He's a bitch. Toss him in the same pile as Matt Bonner.

It's unfortunate but he didn't just fall off a cliff, he fell off a mountain. His defense becoming absolute garbage overnight is extremely discouraging, much more so than his shot drying up when the pressure hit.

[FkLA]

Keeping Green without overpaying him should be one of the Spurs top priorities in the offseason. Some of you overreact to shit too much...these were Greens first playoffs and first season with significant playing time. He definitely faded at the end but I think overall he did really well this year.

[temujin]

Danny Green is trash but Hairston is even shittier tbh....

For 0.83 M, I'd say Green was a bargain.
I can think of 30 players in his position that are more trash at 3 times that salary.
As for hairston at this point in his career, he is way better than Green or neal were before becoming Spurs.

[z0sa]

Keeping Green without overpaying him should be one of the Spurs top priorities in the offseason. Some of you overreact to shit too much...these were Greens first playoffs and first season with significant playing time. He definitely faded at the end but I think overall he did really well this year.

'Faded' is putting it lightly.

Danny Green (http://www.nba.com/playoffs/2012/westseries7/) in 91:01 minutes played:

8-31 overall, and only 4-23 from three (only took 8 non-threes so he's in the Matt Bonner category at this point). All of zero free throws. 2 steals compared to 5 turnovers.

Regardless of his inefficiency, that's plenty of shots to get going. If he was "slumping", it was a gargantuan one. But we all know he wasn't. He choked, hard. Maybe one day he won't be one but I won't be defending him Bonner-style until he proves the world right. Life isn't fair.

He didn't manage 8 minutes in the final two games when the Spurs desperately needed him on both sides of the floor after playing big minutes all season. We NEEDED him. And he didn't produce.

I have no sympathy for the dude. But because of salary realities the Spurs probably hold onto him and hope he doesn't fail so epically next time around. If there is a next time.

[BackHome]

To be fair even Tony chocked the first time he was in the playoffs and without Speedy we don't have one of those rings. I will give anyone a second chance but freakin Bonner sackless arse needs to be GONE>........................


Ps. If we do keep Green the coaching staff needs to put his but through basic boot camp. I am OK with missing the open shots it happens but not able to dribble the ball and all of his turnovers no freakin way..

1. Practice how to dribble
2. Practice how to take it to the whole strong and FINISH STRONG
3. Practice mid range game..

DO NOT BECOME A BONNER IE..ONE DIMENSIONAL PLAYER

[therealtruth]

'Faded' is putting it lightly.

Danny Green (http://www.nba.com/playoffs/2012/westseries7/) in 91:01 minutes played:

8-31 overall, and only 4-23 from three (only took 8 non-threes so he's in the Matt Bonner category at this point). All of zero free throws. 2 steals compared to 5 turnovers.

Regardless of his inefficiency, that's plenty of shots to get going. If he was "slumping", it was a gargantuan one. But we all know he wasn't. He choked, hard. Maybe one day he won't be one but I won't be defending him Bonner-style until he proves the world right. Life isn't fair.

He didn't manage 8 minutes in the final two games when the Spurs desperately needed him on both sides of the floor after playing big minutes all season. We NEEDED him. And he didn't produce.

I have no sympathy for the dude. But because of salary realities the Spurs probably hold onto him and hope he doesn't fail so epically next time around. If there is a next time.

To me part of that is on Pop. You need to be able to help your players remain confident when they're struggling. Do you think the same thing would have happened to Green if he was playing for Scott Brooks? Scott Brooks had Daequan Cook at the end of his bench playing more confident than most of our team.

[HarlemHeat37]

Green doesn't have the tools to become an impact player in the later stages of the year, against quality teams..he'll be fine against horrible teams like Utah, and poorly coached teams like the Clippers(a banged up Clippers, too), but good teams will expose him..

As I've been saying all year, he's a streaky spot-up shooter that occasionally produces in other facets of the game, which is an improvement over previous Spurs perimeter role players, thus creating the delusions that he's an all-around player..this is the same team and fanbase that hyped Garrett Temple, because he was a role player with an all-around game..

He plays average defense and he can't finish at the rim on a consistent basis..he simply lacks the athleticism to be anything more than a 9th man on a good team..if another team is foolish enough to pay him a substantial amount, let him walk..

I didn't even touch on another serious issue, his apparent fear of pressure situations..I don't want another Bonner/Jefferson..

[Ice009]

It's unfortunate but he didn't just fall off a cliff, he fell off a mountain. His defense becoming absolute garbage overnight is extremely discouraging, much more so than his shot drying up when the pressure hit.

I'm not sure about Danny anymore as he was pretty bad in the OKC series, but it was only his first playoffs getting minutes. He started for a Championship level team and did well the first two rounds. That's more than a lot of playoff rookies have done.

In comparison Bonner has sucked completely from his first ever Spurs playoff game, yet the FO keep bringing him back. You all should be getting mad about Bonner like I have been the last few years and demand that he be off the team.

I think Danny deserves another chance if the money isn't too much. Since he faded, the most I would offer him is what the Spurs offered Sjax in 2003.

Personally I wouldn't even offer him that much, but if a team starts throwing money at him, the most I would offer is a contract at a similar level to the one they offered Sjax, and only for 2 seasons, otherwise let him walk.


For 0.83 M, I'd say Green was a bargain.
I can think of 30 players in his position that are more trash at 3 times that salary.
As for hairston at this point in his career, he is way better than Green or neal were before becoming Spurs.

Has Hairston become that good? I really liked him and wanted Pop to actually give him some playing time to see what he can do.

Do you get to watch Hairston on a regular basis?

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I'd say that Hariston 48% in Euroleague and 42% in the Italian league from 3 is not exactly never hitting them.

I'd say the .167 for his NBA career on 3 pointers is a better indicator of what he will do in the future in the NBA than some stats from lesser leagues.

[jjktkk]

To me part of that is on Pop. You need to be able to help your players remain confident when they're struggling. Do you think the same thing would have happened to Green if he was playing for Scott Brooks? Scott Brooks had Daequan Cook at the end of his bench playing more confident than most of our team.

Theres not alot of time in the playoffs, to try and coddle a player, hoping he breaks out of a slump. If you didn't try so hard to troll your Pop hate, you would realize this.

[SamoanTD]

If they over pay let him walk if they don't get him in the gym and work the holes in his game. All in all for his first major minutes and major role on our team he was nice continue to get better who knows he might surprise us.

[Ditty]

If they over pay let him walk if they don't get him in the gym and work the holes in his game. All in all for his first major minutes and major role on our team he was nice continue to get better who knows he might surprise us.

Take him, but can we have Jajuan Johnson in return :D

[temujin]

I'm not sure about Danny anymore as he was pretty bad in the OKC series, but it was only his first playoffs getting minutes. He started for a Championship level team and did well the first two rounds. That's more than a lot of playoff rookies have done.

In comparison Bonner has sucked completely from his first ever Spurs playoff game, yet the FO keep bringing him back. You all should be getting mad about Bonner like I have been the last few years and demand that he be off the team.

I think Danny deserves another chance if the money isn't too much. Since he faded, the most I would offer him is what the Spurs offered Sjax in 2003.

Personally I wouldn't even offer him that much, but if a team starts throwing money at him, the most I would offer is a contract at a similar level to the one they offered Sjax, and only for 2 seasons, otherwise let him walk.



Has Hairston become that good? I really liked him and wanted Pop to actually give him some playing time to see what he can do.

Do you get to watch Hairston on a regular basis?

Yes. On TV and live some time.
Hairston had a nice year last year culminating with being the key factor in Siena reaching Euroleague final 4.
Then Siena let him walk, because Milano offered more money (and they are good enough to win anyway).
He started well this year (on a bad team), and again was key in getting his team in Euroleague top 16, by having a huge game at Pionir against Partizan.
Anyone that has played there knows what I am talking about. Most intimidating place on earth.
Big big huevos.
Then he was hurt and had surgery.
He reemerged in spring, and led his team to the Italian finals, now going on.

Like someone suggested, the major problem in bringing Hairston back is how much he demands.

[temujin]

I'd say the .167 for his NBA career on 3 pointers is a better indicator of what he will do in the future in the NBA than some stats from lesser leagues.

Anthony Parker,
Gary Neal,
Matt Bonner
and
Danny Green
say hi.

[mudyez]

like most here said: See what he is been given...if its less than 2,5mio match, if its more than 3,5mio don't match...everything in between depends on other things (does the FO feel De Collo can give us something, is there any other wing the FO likes ect.)

I dont feel like he is a bust just because he hit a bad streak (I'm not sure it was coz of pressure...he is just streaky!), but I wouldnt cove him prime money either.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Spurs can bring back Malik Hairston for a fraction of what Green might cost.
He's had two very good years, has lots of experience now, including clutch shots at Pionir, to keep Milano in the Euroleague top 16.
Anyone who can make shots at Pionir in the 4th will have no problems with NBA playoffs.
Tough kid.


Please do not bring back Hairston. That guy was shit when he was here. I dont give a damn what he did at the rec league. Green is younger and has much more upside than that scrub Hairston. People just need to get over their infatuation with him. He's in Europe for a reason.

[SpursFaninMS]

http://www.celticsblog.com/2012/6/10/3076801/rumor-celtics-interested-in-danny-green

We can find another Danny Green in our system with ease. He will not do anything outside of Pop's offense.

No way I'm paying him much.

[ceperez]

Hmmm... are the KG rumors related to this rumor?

Celtics send up feelers for Green therefore bumping up price tag.

Spurs retaliate by leaking rumors of interest in KG, therefore also bumping up price tag.

Celtics can't afford to pay both a higher price tag and are likely to defend acquisition of KG rather than make play for Green.

[Russo21]

cool they can have him. he shot something like 32% FG and 22% 3PTFG in the WCF.
Do not want another playoff choker, we have to many of them anyway. Bye Danny

[Richie]

Stop the presses! Young player plays badly in first tough playoff series.

You all have short memories. Green was great all year and still very good in the first 2 rounds. One bad series for a player in his first Conference Finals is nothing out of the ordinary.

If Green is a playoff choker because of this one series, I guess that makes Parker one too. Better trade them both.

[therealtruth]

Stop the presses! Young player plays badly in first tough playoff series.

You all have short memories. Green was great all year and still very good in the first 2 rounds. One bad series for a player in his first Conference Finals is nothing out of the ordinary.

If Green is a playoff choker because of this one series, I guess that makes Parker one too. Better trade them both.

I agree. I put part of the blame on Pop. You know you're guy is struggling. You've got to help him remain confident. That's the one thing you can't lose.

[G-Dawgg]

Nope...Green is shit. Keep him if you can get him for cheap. If not, then he can go screw-over the Celtics instead of us in next years playoffs....

[Duncan2177]

Some of you need to give Green a break it was his first playoffs unlike Parker and Bonner. :rolleyes

[TampaDude]

Send them Bonner for a signed picture of Larry Bird holding the 1985/86 NBA championship trophy

:lmao

[therealtruth]

Some of you need to give Green a break it was his first playoffs unlike Parker and Bonner. :rolleyes

I also think part of it was Pop going away from him in favor of SJax. I think Green played very few minutes at the 3 against the Thunder unlike against the Thunder. Playing with a guy like Manu would have helped him though. SJax was probably just as bad against the Clippers as Green was against the Thunder.

[Spurs da champs]

Some of you need to give Green a break it was his first playoffs unlike Parker and Bonner. :rolleyes

Well he wasn't missing many shots in the 1st 2 rounds; he picked the wrong time to choke.

But as somebody mentioned Green is purely a result of the system & is easily replaceable.

[tesseractive]

He will have a few teams willing to give him 3-4 mill per year. Spurs may let him walk if they make a deal with portland for the 6 and 11th picks. Splitter is likely gonna be in trade talks as Portland needs a Center.

At 6 Spurs like Waiters as an athletic sg who can do it all. Spurs blowing smoke with Drummond. At 11 Jones from Kentucky, Henson from NC and Lenord from Ill are all targets.

Green is solid, but with Neal and Manu, and maybe Nado we have Sgs we need a star at that spot, not another roll player. I think Green Mills both walk, Splitter, Blair and Maybe Jax traded, BONNER bought out.
Wait... Portland is supposed to trade #6 and #11... for Splitter?

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Wait... Portland is supposed to trade #6 and #11... for Splitter?

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[BackHome]

:nopeDuh.....I think we know he meant either the 6th or 11th pick...

[tesseractive]

:nopeDuh.....I think we know he meant either the 6th or 11th pick...

Except that he's penciling in both a shooting guard and a post player. My impression is that he meant exactly what he posted.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Except that he's penciling in both a shooting guard and a post player. My impression is that he meant exactly what he posted.

Yup.

[Knoxxx]

I don't have a problem with Green coming back though $3 million is about as high as we should go. His lack of athleticism was exposed against OKC, and SG is typically the most athletic position on the court. Therefore cutting bait and moving in a different direction than Green would make more sense than to overpay give our typical budget. Even a seemingly innocuous contract, like Booner averaging about $3.5 million for several years, can hurt us considerably. We don't want Green to be our next Bonner contract.

As far as trading Jackson, I don't see it. Looking beyond 2012-2013, he would be great on the roster at about $5 per season for 2-3 seasons, just like Manu. Team and fan morale dictate that those two retire as Spurs, unless of course they stay past their useful NBA shelf life, which has not happened yet.

Trading Splitter is beginning to sound like a better and better option to me. I think by now we have seen his ceiling is just not that high at either end of the court. I'd rather make a strategy change than extend Splitter long term and have to tolerate more "hack-a-Splitter".

[Knoxxx]

Except that he's penciling in both a shooting guard and a post player. My impression is that he meant exactly what he posted.

If we can off load anyone not named Leonard for high draft picks we are probably making a good deal. I think only these 5 are a lock for next season's roster:

Duncan
Parker
Manu
Leonard
Jax

If someone can explain a trade scenario that makes sense with Jax I am all ears, but I think he earned his $10 million and place back on the Spurs. Why would we take on several long term smaller contracts in return?

[therealtruth]

We can find another Danny Green in our system with ease. He will not do anything outside of Pop's offense.

No way I'm paying him much.

Your dismissing Green's contributions on the defensive end. His ability to get after it on the defensive end was pretty special. In fact a sideeffect of Pop going away from him in games 5+ was weakening of our perimeter defense. If we replace Green we need a guy equally as good defensively.

[BackHome]

If Green leaves that is going to be a big whole to fill I know we have Hanga coming over but that won't be until the following season. As far as trading SJ he did some good stuff but he is looking slow and just as Green sucked in one series I don't think you can say SJ is our savior on just one series. I like him but he didn't do much against the Clippers?? The only player who won't be touched are the three amigos:

1.TONY
2. DUNCAN
3.MANU

I bet everyone else if the right trade comes along will be gone in a heart beat.

[Knoxxx]

I have to disagree with Jax looked slow, he was guarding Durant almost exclusively!

[Legacy]

Send them Bonner for a signed picture of Larry Bird holding the 1985/86 NBA championship trophy

:lmao

[Ice009]

If Green leaves that is going to be a big whole to fill I know we have Hanga coming over but that won't be until the following season. As far as trading SJ he did some good stuff but he is looking slow and just as Green sucked in one series I don't think you can say SJ is our savior on just one series. I like him but he didn't do much against the Clippers?? The only player who won't be touched are the three amigos:

1.TONY
2. DUNCAN
3.MANU

I bet everyone else if the right trade comes along will be gone in a heart beat.

Danny Green and Gary Neal jacked up a lot of shots when Stephen was on the court with them and kind of froze him out a lot of the time when he was wide open. That really pissed me off. Jack was just trying to do the right thing and play team ball. I didn't like those guys freezing him out as he needed to get into form for the playoffs, but they kept jacking it up. I'm talking about late in the regular season and early in the playoffs.

Pop even said those regular season games were basically Jack's preseason as he didn't play much in Milwaukee. That's pretty spot on IMO. I'd say the start of the playoffs were kind of like his regular season and by the time the OKC series came around he was starting to get into late regular season form, early playoff form. You all saw what he did when he got in form and then when the young guys starting stinking it up Jack stepped up. He was just basically starting to get into form.

It shouldn't have come to that though. Pop should have played Stephen more and gotten him more shots and touches to get into form quicker. I also didn't like the amount of minutes Pop played Jack in the playoffs. He could have played a lot more and should have been on the court more instead of Neal, Green and Bonner in the earlier rounds.

[DMC]

Keep Danny Green. He did well until the later stages. You're never going to build a team by flushing it every year.

Bonner needs to go. We would need a good outside shooter to replace him (maybe). We're not going to find a 7' 3pt shooter though. We need someone who can provide offense off the bench from outside the arc to actually space the floor like Matt was supposed to before the defense began ignoring him.

[baseline bum]

Send them Bonner for a signed picture of Larry Bird holding the 1985/86 NBA championship trophy

Not a bad deal, as Bird's autograph is extremely tough to get.

[DMC]

The real issues is going to be in the paint. Tim is done. Turn back the clock 5 years and he's still done on a championship level. He could provide help inside, but we either go all small ball or we get serious with our defense and scoring in the paint.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Hey, I'll drive him to the airport if Boston throws one of their late first rounders at us.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

If Green leaves that is going to be a big whole to fill I know we have Hanga coming over but that won't be until the following season. As far as trading SJ he did some good stuff but he is looking slow and just as Green sucked in one series I don't think you can say SJ is our savior on just one series. I like him but he didn't do much against the Clippers?? The only player who won't be touched are the three amigos:

1.TONY
2. DUNCAN
3.MANU

I bet everyone else if the right trade comes along will be gone in a heart beat.

They've already worked out a kid that is a virtual clone of Danny in David Lighty, a 2011 Ohio State grad. Lock down defender and dead-eye three point shooter. He hit 43% his senior year at OSU.

The Danny Green's of the world are replaceable.