Boris Diaw vs. David Lee

[unleashbaynes]

:lmao white basketball players not named Dirk

[FkLA]

So basically the advantages for each are:

Lee-can put up 18-10 on bad teams, can get a 90 mill contact
Diaw-everything else

[Chris]

Boiled down...

Diaw - 1
Lee - squadoosh

[monosylab1k]

Hey Spurs fans while you're at it, let us all know about how Patty Mills > Chris Paul.

[FkLA]

Hey mav fan while you're at it, let us know how Klay>Kawhi.

Bc you know Kawhi could only dream of putting up the numbers Klay puts up.

[ElNono]

Hey Spurs fans while you're at it, let us all know about how Patty Mills > Chris Paul.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228096

[8FOR!3]

Hey Spurs fans while you're at it, let us all know about how Patty Mills > Chris Paul.

He'll retire with more rings.

[monosylab1k]

Hey mav fan while you're at it, let us know how Klay>Kawhi.

Bc you know Kawhi could only dream of putting up the numbers Klay puts up.

Kawhi is easily the weakest Finals MVP since Chauncey in 04. He's a nice midlevel player but the day Duncan retires and you dumbfucks think the franchise is in good hands with Kawhi, it's going to be glorious.

[spurraider21]

Kawhi is easily the weakest Finals MVP since Chauncey in 04. He's a nice midlevel player but the day Duncan retires and you dumbfucks think the franchise is in good hands with Kawhi, it's going to be glorious.
is that about the time your franchise falls in Chandler Parsons' hands?

and fwiw i'd say he's the weakest F-MVP since 07 Parker

[monosylab1k]

is that about the time your franchise falls in Chandler Parsons' hands?

and fwiw i'd say he's the weakest F-MVP since 07 Parker

If you actually knew my takes and weren't posting on a Philo impulse you'd know I hated the Parsons signing and condemned the Mavericks long ago. I have no delusions about my team, or it's future once Dirk retires.

[jimbo]

Boris is the more versatile passer and defender. With stretch 4s now being a fixture on any good team, I think a player like Diaw, who can conceivably guard 3 through 5, is more valuable to a team than Lee.

Where's Harlem with the stats. I'd like to see a comparison of how each player guards perimeter oriented bigs (Dirk, LMA, last year's Bosh, etc).

Boris can't guard 3s. He got bailed the fuck out that Lebron didn't just rip through all day on him in the finals. That "I'm gonna waggle my arms in front of you so I look really active" defense ain't actually sound. Kevin Durant would have fouled Boris out in a minutes...

He can't really guard tall players well either. What he does do, he does it well. That's guard regular sized 4s.

[spurraider21]

If you actually knew my takes and weren't posting on a Philo impulse you'd know I hated the Parsons signing and condemned the Mavericks long ago. I have no delusions about my team, or it's future once Dirk retires.

Aaron Dobson looks like he can develop into a solid receiver. Even if you take away the TD that anyone on SpursTalk except for Fabbs or TPark could have executed, i saw enough to think he can be a good player. Most of his mistakes (drops, bad/wrong routes) were fixable. He showed an ability to get open consistently, and to adjust to the ball and make a play on it. He sucked, but showed huge potential for improvement imho.

[jimbo]

and just an aside, tonight was the first time I listened to the AM 1200 Spurs post game talk or whatever. The show that's on after the interviews. Shit was hilarious if you're even a little bit impartial. It made upstairs sound rational.

"It doesn't matter if we're the 4th or the 5th seed, as long as we're healthy in the playoffs there's no one out there that can beat us." I mean who cares about having home court advantage in any series anyways?

A guy called in to talk about how he thought Manu was trying to score 30 at the end.

"Nah, we're the Spurs. We don't go for stats, that's not the Spurs way."

:cry so classy :cry

[monosylab1k]

You already accepted defeat regarding Dobson, no idea why you think bringing up your own stupidity is appropriate.

[FkLA]

Kawhi is easily the weakest Finals MVP since Chauncey in 04. He's a nice midlevel player but the day Duncan retires and you dumbfucks think the franchise is in good hands with Kawhi, it's going to be glorious.

Yet retarded spurfan thinks he is better than Klay who is a Splash Brother and puts up 22.5 ppg.

rofl gnsf
















right?

[spurraider21]

You already accepted defeat regarding Dobson, no idea why you think bringing up your own stupidity is appropriate.
i posted your take, not mine. your take was pretty terrible imo

[monosylab1k]

i posted your take, not mine. your take was pretty terrible imo

"Looks like he can"
"Most of his mistakes"
"Showed an ability"
"He sucked"

Yep, ringing endorsement tbh.

I used my brain after watching Aaron Dobson play once. You used your ass. End of story.

[spurraider21]

"Looks like he can"
"Most of his mistakes"
"Showed an ability"
"He sucked"

Yep, ringing endorsement tbh.

I used my brain after watching Aaron Dobson play once. You used your ass. End of story.
my ass was closer than your brain. i guessed he'd fade into obscurity after 2 years like murphy did. unfortunately he didnt make it that far despite having a superior situation/qb. can't win em all =/

but for the past year+ its been an easy way to ruffle your feathers, just to bring it up

[FkLA]

BTW last 10 games: 16 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2 apg, 2 spg on 51 FG%

And his three point shot isn't even falling yet. 23 years old, kid's going to be a monster. A couple of all-star selections at the very least tbh.

[Chris]

Look up the old threads on Roddy B :lol

[monosylab1k]

my ass was closer than your brain. i guessed he'd fade into obscurity after 2 years like murphy did. unfortunately he didnt make it that far despite having a superior situation/qb. can't win em all =/

but for the past year+ its been an easy way to ruffle your feathers, just to bring it up

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.

[monosylab1k]

BTW last 10 games: 16 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2 apg, 2 spg on 51 FG%

And his three point shot isn't even falling yet. 23 years old, kid's going to be a monster. A couple of all-star selections at the very least tbh.

When Duncan retires, I can't wait to watch the rest of the league bend your team over and assrape you on a nightly basis. Enjoy your time at the top, your time there is quickly coming to an and.

[FkLA]

Look up the old threads on Roddy B :lol

No shit. mono's retarded brother will scoff 'homer gnsf' but found it reasonable to state that Roddy B had Rose's athleticism, Nash's shot and Parker's finishing ability.

[spurraider21]

No shit. mono's retarded brother will scoff 'homer gnsf' but found it reasonable to state that Roddy B had Rose's athleticism, Nash's shot and Parker's finishing ability.


I'd say more like Tony Parker penetration + Derrick Rose athleticsm + Steve Nash shooting ability hybrid. Dude is freakishly talented and gifted. And he has as great of a guy as anyone can learn from in Jason Kidd.

[spurraider21]

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.
where was i revising?

[monosylab1k]

where was i revising?

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.

[spurraider21]

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.
my projection was closer than yours

[monosylab1k]

my projection was closer than yours

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.

[midnightpulp]

BTW last 10 games: 16 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2 apg, 2 spg on 51 FG%

And his three point shot isn't even falling yet. 23 years old, kid's going to be a monster. A couple of all-star selections at the very least tbh.

I'm not worried about whether or not Kawhi becomes "the man," since I think the days of roster building around a centerpiece (or even two) are long gone. The new trend seems to be moving toward positionless basketball, building a deep roster that can adapt to any matchup situation, while having a dynamic offense that features a scoring and playmaking threat at all 5 positions.

Kawhi doesn't deserve the max because he alone is "the future of the franchise," but because his rebounding and defense are, right now, the best in the league at that position, and he has already proven to be eminently coachable. His offense is also showing potential and he should be a solid 18ppg/50% scorer in due time. I don't think he'll ever to be able to carry an offense. But so what? Those iso days are behind us.

[spurraider21]

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.
i've caught you in a loop. cubby would be proud.

my projection was closer than yours

[monosylab1k]

:lmao in that Roddy thread, Spurs fans are sucking Roddy's dick just as ferociously as Mavs fans :lmao

[monosylab1k]

i've caught you in a loop. cubby would be proud.

my projection was closer than yours

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.

[FkLA]

When Duncan retires, I can't wait to watch the rest of the league bend your team over and assrape you on a nightly basis. Enjoy your time at the top, your time there is quickly coming to an and.

Hahahah. Yeah, dumbfuck gnsf is too stupid to realize winning rings might be a little harder w/o Timmy. They're in for a surprise!

Mav krew sees this though bc you're just that much smarter than dumfuck gnsf.

[spurraider21]

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.
my projection was closer than yours

[monosylab1k]

my projection was closer than yours

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.

[spurraider21]

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.
why are you having trouble accepting that you were completely wrong?

[monosylab1k]

why are you having trouble accepting that you were completely wrong?

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.

[spurraider21]

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.
why are you having trouble admitting that you were completely wrong?

[monosylab1k]

why are you having trouble admitting that you were completely wrong?

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.

[spurraider21]

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.
why are you unable to accept just how horribly wrong you were?

[FkLA]

I'm not worried about whether or not Kawhi becomes "the man," since I think the days of roster building around a centerpiece (or even two) are long gone. The new trend seems to be moving toward positionless basketball, building a deep roster that can adapt to any matchup situation, while having a dynamic offense that features a scoring and playmaking threat at all 5 positions.

Kawhi doesn't deserve the max because he alone is "the future of the franchise," but because his rebounding and defense are, right now, the best in the league at that position, and he has already proven to be eminently coachable. His offense is also showing potential and he should be a solid 18ppg/50% scorer in due time. I don't think he'll ever to be able to carry an offense. But so what? Those iso days are behind us.

Agree. I do think he can be dominant offensively in the low post though, there aren't very many players that he doesn't dominate physically in the post. His game off the dribble is what's key...if he can continue to improve his finishing and handles at the rate he has the past couple seasons I think he can become an efficient 20 ppg scorer. Which would be huge given the fact that, like you said, he's already the best rebounder and defender for his position.

[spurraider21]

Agree. I do think he can be dominant offensively in the low post though, there aren't very many players that he doesn't dominate physically in the post. His game off the dribble is what's key...if he can continue to improve his finishing and handles at the rate he has the past couple seasons I think he can become an efficient 20 ppg scorer. Which would be huge given the fact that, like you said, he's already the best rebounder and defender for his position.
he can get better at creating and scoring, but i dont see him ever being a real playmaker. he just doesn't have that natural feel for it that even a guy like Diaw or Iguodala has. thats where his upside is limited as far as being a "centerpiece" of a team

[FkLA]

Yeah, I'm not sure how good of a playmaker he can be either. I can see him drawing double teams in the post but his playmaking off the dribble is shaky atm.

I think the team will still rely on Enrique for penetration post-Timmy.

[midnightpulp]

Maybe Timmy can mentor him (as well as Diaw) in playmaking. If you remember, Duncan was not a very good passer his first couple of years in the league.

[spurraider21]

Maybe Timmy can mentor him (as well as Diaw) in playmaking. If you remember, Duncan was not a very good passer his first couple of years in the league.
yeah but passing out of the post in a 4-down type situation is very different than passing while on the move, full head of steam towards the rim, with perimeter guys moving/cutting, etc.

diaw's mastery of playmaking in the post and on the drive are what make him so unique

[monosylab1k]

why are you unable to accept just how horribly wrong you were?

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.

[spurraider21]

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.
that was more than 10 minutes. i won the rodeo

[Henrik Sedin]

you already admitted defeat here. no need to be a revisionist tbh.
:lol

[AaronY]

So just watched the game on DVR...Lee is healthy and out of the rotation now. GS plays a lot of guys snd they say he's been getting DNP-CDs. Basically can't crack their top 9 guys

[AaronY]

I mean Boris is a career underachiever fat shit imo who could have been so much more if he wasn't lazy so he's nothing to brag about tbh. But at least he can crack the rotation of a contender

[Arcadian]

Diaw is the better player! Especially for the Spurs. He's the perfect backup for Duncan, probably the best backup he ever had.

[cd021]

I find it hard to believe he would completely fallout of the rotation for the postseason, probably a night to night thing.

[unleashbaynes]

Diaw >>>>>>>>>>>> Lee

[hater]

Diaw has the ring to prove it.

next

[Raven]

not surprising, once you see the results that defence and not statpadding does to a team, it's hard to let go.

[spurraider21]

Steve Kerr made the move that not many coaches would be willing to make

[hater]

:lmao Diaw taking a wet shit on the retards here

NrqR018iYJg

[hater]

Diaw is a fat fuck tbh. I honestly thought playing in an environment like the Spurs would bring out the best in him (which I would take over Lee), but dude just goes through the motions out there...he'll have a great 10, 5+, 5+ line here or there and then has an empty stat line the next game. Really unique skill set but just lazy as shit, cant believe I fell for this fat fucks tricks. :(

:lmao dumbass

[hater]

And even if you ignore durability. Diaw is the better passer, higher ball IQ, better ball handler, better man defender, better shooter, and better post player.

lee is just more athletic better rebounder and better shot blocker.

Even then Diaw is probably better

this man knows his shit. props

[Arcadian]

I'm making it public so I can easily identify a list of all the dumbfucks who pick Boris Diaw.

:lmao

[FkLA]

:lmao dumbass

Im the reason this thread was made, idiot. I said I would take an engaged Diaw over empty stats Avid Lee and the whole forum laughed. Then this happened:

http://media.melty.fr/article-2279368-ajust_930-f1403182539/boris-diaw-fete-son-1er-titre-nba.jpg

[Brazil]

Im the reason this thread was made, idiot. I said I would take an engaged Diaw over empty stats Avid Lee and the whole forum laughed. Then this happened:



You quit on him PERIOD

[FkLA]

You quit on him PERIOD

I did quit on him playing motivated but I recognized his talent from the get go. Meanwhile the whole forum was too enamored to see anything other than Lees cute stats.

[apalisoc_9]

I did quit on him playing motivated but I recognized his talent from the get go. Meanwhile the whole forum was too enamored to see anything other than Lees cute stats.

seems like riquetards are never good in terms of talent scouting.

[Brazil]

I did quit on him playing motivated but I recognized his talent from the get go. Meanwhile the whole forum was too enamored to see anything other than Lees cute stats.

fair enough tbh

[AlexJones]

lol thinking you got this one right just because Lee is currently not a fit on the Warriors whilst Diaw turned out to be a miracle fit. And Lee's advanced #s are still better than Diaw's, even though they're not great

[FkLA]

lol thinking you got this one right just because Lee is currently not a fit on the Warriors whilst Diaw turned out to be a miracle fit. And Lee's advanced #s are still better than Diaw's, even though they're not great

Wait, you're still stupid enough to argue that Lee is better even after these past two years? Wow. :lol

[AaronY]

Lee is out of the Celtics rotation now..what a scrub

[Brazil]

Great take by FkLA tbh

[Mel_13]

Great take by FkLA tbh

The world really is going to end soon. :lol

[Brazil]

The world really is going to end soon. :lol

:lol

[Texas_Ranger]

Diaw is great for the Spurs system and right now could be better than Lee. But in 2012 when this was created Lee was individually much better.

[TrainOfThought5]

Lee was more aggressive, not more talented. FkLA called it. Too bad he quit on him though

[Blake]

Diaw is great for the Spurs system and right now could be better than Lee. But in 2012 when this was created Lee was individually much better.

That, but this is the Internet where victory can be declared at the click of a button

[Raven]

Diaw is great for the Spurs system and right now could be better than Lee. But in 2012 when this was created Lee was individually much better.

lol, no he wasn't.

[Texas_Ranger]

lol, no he wasn't.

When this was created Boris Diaw came from a season in which he was benched by the wort team in the history of the NBA and had a pretty bad 1/3 of a season with the Spurs. David Lee on the other side had a 20+10 season and was an All Star 4 months after this thread came to life. So, lol he was.

[Raven]

When this was created Boris Diaw came from a season in which he was benched by the wort team in the history of the NBA and had a pretty bad 1/3 of a season with the Spurs. David Lee on the other side had a 20+10 season and was an All Star 4 months after this thread came to life. So, lol he was.
No he wasn't :lol.. Anyway, i've spoken enough on the subject, you can check it if you want, starting on page 4 i believe. Diaw has always been the better player, Lee was just an empty statpadder and his team have always been the joke of the league. Warriors got that and took him out of the rotation and then traded his ass and then the same happened in boston.

[Blake]

No he wasn't :lol..

Yes he was :lol :lol

"
The 29-year-old Diaw had fallen out of favor with coach Paul Silas this season and barely played in the last three weeks, often listed as inactive. He only played twice over the past eight games......."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7717314/charlotte-bobcats-waive-boris-diaw-agreeing-contract-buyout

[Raven]

Yes he was :lol :lol

"
The 29-year-old Diaw had fallen out of favor with coach Paul Silas this season and barely played in the last three weeks, often listed as inactive. He only played twice over the past eight games......."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7717314/charlotte-bobcats-waive-boris-diaw-agreeing-contract-buyout

aaaaand?

[Blake]

aaaaand?

He was benched by the worst team in the NBA. You said he wasn't. That's about it.

[Raven]

He was benched by the worst team in the NBA. You said he wasn't. That's about it.

I was saying that Lee wasn't better than Diaw, not that he wasn't benched, as if that benching had any meaning lol

[spurraider21]

Great take by FkLA tbh

[thiste]

He was benched by the worst team in the NBA. You said he wasn't. That's about it.

I gotta say, that says more about Paul Silas' value than it does about Diaw's.

[gambit1990]

:lol

[jeebus]

Diaw vs Lee

One of these players has a PER of 31 and the other has a PER of -5. One is averaging 1 PPG and 3 RPG and the other is averaging 8 and 5. One mailed it in a couple years ago and is a waste to society and the other is still out there to play ball.

[Chris]

amazing thread tbh

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Gotta go with Lee now tbh...

[RD2191]

Diaw could've been a top 20 player of all time if he actually cared about basketball.

[RD2191]

Kawhi is easily the weakest Finals MVP since Chauncey in 04. He's a nice midlevel player but the day Duncan retires and you dumbfucks think the franchise is in good hands with Kawhi, it's going to be glorious.
LOL

[TimDunkem]

:lol

[Thread]

Diaw could've been a top 20 player of all time if he actually cared about basketball.

You'd only have the simple 4 without him.

[Chris]

You'd only have the simple 4 without him.

True though Kobe would be stuck at 3 if not for Pau.

[Thread]

True though Kobe would be stuck at 3 if not for Pau.

Pau couldn't even win a single playoff game till Kobe held his hand.

[jeebus]

if he put up 4 points and 4 rebounds not being lazy, I'd hate to see what he'd put up being lazy :lol

0.7 and 2.3 while shooting 9 percent from the field :lmao

[Joseph Kony]

Kawhi is easily the weakest Finals MVP since Chauncey in 04. He's a nice midlevel player but the day Duncan retires and you dumbfucks think the franchise is in good hands with Kawhi, it's going to be glorious.
:lol what a fucking retard. lol mavs