49ers

[Avante]

They met the would be SB champs twice last season, beat them and went into OT to lose due to fumbles.

Over the season...

They won the turnover battle.

They were number one vs the run.

Their all time leading rusher is there right now in Frank Gore.

The best TE they have ever had is there right now in Vernon Davis.

They have added a future Hall of Fame receiver in Randy Moss.

A speedster out of Oregon in LaMichael James.

A productive banger in Brandon Jacobs.

A speed receiver out of Illionis in A.J.Jenkins.

A solid receiver in Mario Manningham.

They play in the weakest division in the league.

Let's break down their schedule.

at GB..loss
Detroit...win
at Minn...win
at Jets..loss...back to back on the road a killer
Buffalo...win
Giants...win..back to back at home, huge!
Seattle...win
at Ariz...win
St.Louis...win
Chicago...win
at NO...hmmm? We don't know what's up with them.
at St.Louis...win
Miami...win
at NE..loss
at Seattle...win
Arizona...win

Ok I'll give them a loss somewhere where they should have won.

So....11-5

Alex Smith is coming off his best season.

I think it's very realistic to see them as one of the top 4 teams in the league.

[Clipper Nation]

But what were all their track stats in college? I'm dying to know, B...

[lakerhaterade]

They will lose when it counts. That's all that matters, faggot.

[johnsmith]

Yeah, without their 100 m times, this thread fails.

[lakerhaterade]

Yeah, without their 100 m times, this thread fails.

:tu
:lol

[Avante]

But what were all their track stats in college? I'm dying to know, B...

Since you came real (sorta) I'll toss you a bone.

Moss was a good indoor sprinter while at Marshall. a 21.1ish 200 guy.

James was a 10.4 running HS track in Texas.

A.J.Jenkins a 4.3 40 guy.

The All Time Niner 4x1

Renaldo Nehemiah-Deion Sanders-0.J.Simpson-Ray Norton a 1960 Olympian 9.3 WRholder.

[lakerhaterade]

Since you came real (sorta) I'll toss you a bone.

Moss was a good indoor sprinter while at Marshall. a 21.1ish 200 guy.

James was a 10.4 running HS track in Texas.

A.J.Jenkins a 4.3 40 guy.

The All Time Niner 4x1

Renaldo Nehemiah-Deion Sanders-0.J.Simpson-Ray Norton a 1960 Olympian 9.3 WRholder.

Real talk avante, have you ever tried calibrating speed times into football speed?


I mean being the track expert here, I'm assuming you've done this before.

[Avante]

Yeah, without their 100 m times, this thread fails.

Glad you brought that up.

The All Time NFL 100m

*..one time Raider

lane

1.Sam Graddy..10.09 Broncos/Tenn...Oly silver, Oly gold 4x1*
2.Ron Brown...10.06 Rams/ASU..Oly gold 4x1*
3.Alvis Whitted...10.07 Raiders/NCSt
4.Darrel Green...10.08 Redskins/Tex A&I
5.Bob Hayes...10.06 Cowboys/FAMU..Oly gold 100/4x1
6.Jacoby Ford...10.01 Raiders/Clemson
7.Trindon Holliday..10.00 Texans/LSU
8.Jimmy Hines...9.95 Dolphins/TSU..Oly gold 100/4x1

:hat:hat:hat:hat:hat

[Clipper Nation]

Welchvante with the G:lol:lolgle-enhanced bads, tbh....

[Avante]

Real talk avante, have you ever tried calibrating speed times into football speed?


I mean being the track expert here, I'm assuming you've done this before.

The 100m is something totally different than what we see on a football field. The reason being everything over a 60 takes speed endurance, that ability to sustain/maintain a high % of max velocity. We don't see that in football, there it's all about accelleration. Actually more about quickness than speed other than a receiver running a fly pattern.

The fastest footballer I've ever seen (meaning in pads in football situations) was Rocket Ismail in his ND days. He was at full speed in two steps and could cut, shake n' bake at near full speed. Yet he was a so so sprinter.

Curtis Dickey is the only running back in NFL history to be world ranked in the 100. He was out of Texas A&M,a 220 pounder with massive thighs. A 10.10/9.2 guy but you'd never know it, he didn't have those quicks, that acceleration. He would have destroyed Ismail in any sprint but not on a football field.

[Avante]

Welchvante with the G:lol:lolgle-enhanced bads, tbh....

translation

So tell me bro, what would that Raider 100m look like?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

No problem amigo:hat

lane

1.Willie Gault
2.James Trapp
3.Sam Graddy
4.Jacoby Ford
5.Ron Brown
6.James Jett
7.Cliff Branch
8.Alvis Whitted

Fantasy 4x1 for all 32 NFL teams. So who?

[Clipper Nation]

I'm pretty sure this is what you REALLY meant, B....


translation

I'm a known welcher and troll... I'll stop posting forever.

[Avante]

I'm pretty sure this is what you REALLY meant, B....

translation

Wow impressive, how about the Kansas City Chiefs?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You got it:hat

lane

1.Joe Delaney
2.Ken Thomas
3.Sammie Parker
4.Jamaal Charles
5.Stone Johnson
6.Eddie Kennison
7.Warren McVea
8.Nolan "Super Gnat" Smith

[Avante]

It's like a Great White in with minnows:king

[Clipper Nation]

It's like a Great White in with minnows:king

Yeah, except the Great White can't understand sarcasm or grasp that nobody cares what he's talking about, tbh.....

[Avante]

Yeah, except the Great White can't understand sarcasm or grasp that nobody cares what he's talking about, tbh.....

translation

Dude, how do you do that? Ok you've talked about Bob Hayes before, just who was his main competitors back in his day?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

His day was from around 62-64. If we ran the best 100m for that period...

lane

1.Mel Pender..9.3/Army
2.Darel Newman...9.2/Fresno State...only white sprinter to ever beat Bullet Bob, did it in an indoor 60. Short bald cat.
3.Enrique Figuerola... took the silver in 64/Cuba
4.Bob Hayes..9.1/10.06WR..FAMU
5.Harry Jerome...9.1WR/Oregon-Canada
6.Trenton Jackson..9.4/Illinois
7.Edwin Roberts...9.2/NCC-Trinidad
8.Gerry Ashworth...9.4/Dartmouth..a white Ivy Leaguer!!!

[silverblk mystix]

Yeah, except the Great White can't understand sarcasm or grasp that nobody cares what he's talking about, tbh.....

Clipper Nation cares more about Avante and proves it everyday by chasing him around like like a little lost puppydog.


:lol

[Avante]

Clipper Nation cares more about Avante and proves it everyday by chasing him around like like a little lost puppydog.


:lol

I'm guessing his dad took one look at him and split, so he's been looking for a daddy ever since. Lucky me:rolleyes

[silverblk mystix]

I'm guessing his dad took one look at him and split, so he's been looking for a daddy ever since. Lucky me:rolleyes

Just pat him on his stupid head once in a while.

:lol

[gaKNOW!blee]

Gore is on the downside of his career, and sucked the second half of the season.

Moss is washed up and a year removed from playing.

James is just a little scatback, and a rookie at that.

Jenkins should've been a 3rd rounder at best and rumors already saying he will be inactive for games this year.

Jacobs flat out blows.

Manningham at his best is solid.

Alex smith will prove last year was a fluke, and the 49ers will lose their first playoff game.

[johnsmith]

Clipper Nation cares more about Avante and proves it everyday by chasing him around like like a little lost puppydog.


:lol

Would you rather he act like you and follow Avante around jerking him off?

Lol

[Avante]

Just pat him on his stupid head once in a while.

:lol

That is so easy to do, since he's always humping on my leg.

[Avante]

Would you rather he act like you and follow Avante around jerking him off?

Lol

You follow me around, so what's that say about you?

[johnsmith]

You follow me around, so what's that say about you?

That I'm genuinely interested in what you post.....not because of the content though, but rather, I'm interested to see how you make yourself look like a pretentious fucking idiot on a post by post basis.

[Avante]

Gore is on the downside of his career, and sucked the second half of the season.

Moss is washed up and a year removed from playing.

James is just a little scatback, and a rookie at that.

Jenkins should've been a 3rd rounder at best and rumors already saying he will be inactive for games this year.

Jacobs flat out blows.

Manningham at his best is solid.

Alex smith will prove last year was a fluke, and the 49ers will lose their first playoff game.

Gore had his second most productive season last year, he also avg 4.3.

You have no idea where Moss is at, none at all.

James is elusive, he'll be put in situations to maximize his "make um miss" ability.

It's a long season, Jenkins will be a factor.

Jacobs is a situational player now, he like James will be put situations to take advantage of his power.

Alex Smith was one game away from a SB last season, They have the same defense and more quality skilled players, what's that tell you?

NFC Championship. If played in Frisco...SB!

[silverblk mystix]

That I'm genuinely interested in what you post.....not because of the content though, but rather, I'm interested to see how you make yourself look like a pretentious fucking idiot on a post by post basis.

So you have no life either. Shocking.

Stick to the topic or gtfo loser.

N-F-L

Hard for your infant brain to comprehend but it is simple for the rest of the world.

[The Gemini Method]

Do the Lions, Avante!

[gaKNOW!blee]

It was gores second most productive year because he's normally missing games. Like I said look at his numbers in the 2nd half, they sucked.

I watched moss go back to Minnesota and play in Tennessee two years ago, he wasn't very good.

Jenkins is a huge project right now...you're being a huge homer thinking he can produce as a rookie.

The defense is still awesome but alex smith will suck, just watch.

[Avante]

That I'm genuinely interested in what you post.....not because of the content though, but rather, I'm interested to see how you make yourself look like a pretentious fucking idiot on a post by post basis.

I'd love for you to point out all this idiocy you're talking about, go ahead prove your point. No bullshit song and dance routine, where are those idiot statements? Would love to see them.

Then there's you, a guy who never does anything but leech off others. Sad to watch.

[johnsmith]

Clipper Nation cares more about Avante and proves it everyday by chasing him around like like a little lost puppydog.


:lol




Stick to the topic or gtfo loser.

N-F-L

Hard for your infant brain to comprehend but it is simple for the rest of the world.

Jesus you're a fucking idiot.

[johnsmith]

Then there's you, a guy who never does anything but leech off others. Sad to watch.

This seems to be a good place to start pointing it out.

[Avante]

Jesus you're a fucking idiot.

He's far more intelligent/interesting than you, he's not the one leeching off everyone else like you do. Dude, all you ever do is whine, why?

[johnsmith]

Dude, all you ever do is whine, why?

and another.

[silverblk mystix]

This seems to be a good place to start pointing it out.

It is old and played out already.

Go chase someone else since that is your only purpose in life.

[Avante]

This seems to be a good place to start pointing it out.

Just as I thought you ain't got shit. Come on moron show me something I said idiotic That's a challenge.

[Avante]

It was gores second most productive year because he's normally missing games. Like I said look at his numbers in the 2nd half, they sucked.

I watched moss go back to Minnesota and play in Tennessee two years ago, he wasn't very good.

Jenkins is a huge project right now...you're being a huge homer thinking he can produce as a rookie.

The defense is still awesome but alex smith will suck, just watch.

Gore avg 4.3 over 16 games. He's still among the top backs in the league.

Moss will do just fine, watch!

Lots of rookies have produced.

Why not try and drop the obvious bullshit? So you don't like the Niners/Alex Smith, no need to act stupid about it. Smith is in the top 16QB's not the bottom 16.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Smith in the top 16 of QB's

[The Gemini Method]

Smith just has to be that dreaded word, 'game manager' and he should be fine. I mean, he was alright when the offense was not too complex and having Vernon Davis, Frank Gore, Mario Manningham, and a top-3 defense will all help. Playing in the equivalency of the Pac-12 South, doesn't hurt either. They do have some tough games against NE, NO (if they're back to normal by then) and the NYG. I say 12-4 with two surprise loses (ARI or Seattle) and the Patriots/Giants

[Avante]

:lmao Smith in the top 16 of QB's

translation

Duh!

[Clipper Nation]

translation

Duh!

Yeah, "duh" would be an appropriate word for that dumbass take of yours... only list Alex Smith is top 16 in is bust quarterbacks....

[Avante]

Smith just has to be that dreaded word, 'game manager' and he should be fine. I mean, he was alright when the offense was not too complex and having Vernon Davis, Frank Gore, Mario Manningham, and a top-3 defense will all help. Playing in the equivalency of the Pac-12 South, doesn't hurt either. They do have some tough games against NE, NO (if they're back to normal by then) and the NYG. I say 12-4 with two surprise loses (ARI or Seattle) and the Patriots/Giants

Finally somebody who knows football.

Sure 12-4 a very real prediction.

There is no doubt they will be better on offense, so if they came as close they did with a lesser off with the same defense......

I also look for Kendall Hunter to play a bigger role, he's super quick.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Gore avg 4.3 over 16 games. He's still among the top backs in the league.

Moss will do just fine, watch!

Lots of rookies have produced.

Why not try and drop the obvious bullshit? So you don't like the Niners/Alex Smith, no need to act stupid about it. Smith is in the top 16QB's not the bottom 16.

Lol just ignore that gore wore down in the 2nd half an is almost 30.

Lots of rookies have produced. While that's a compelling argument, not many have produced that have as far to go as Jenkins does. He is more likely the next buster Davis.

Brady
Manning
Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Romo
Flacco
Stafford
Ryan
Schaub
Cutler
Newton
Vick
Freeman

That's 16 qb's off the top of my head...Would you take smith over any of them?

[Avante]

Yeah, "duh" would be an appropriate word for that dumbass take of yours... only list Alex Smith is top 16 in is bust quarterbacks....

translation

So who would the top 10 Niner backs be, talking from an historical perspective.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Too hard to do this by some order, so...

Joe "The Jet" Perry...HOF
Hugh "The King" McElhenny...HOF
really can't count John Henry Johnson..his best years were as a Steeler
J.D.Smith...the first 1000 rusher in NFL history from a HBCU school
Ken Willard
Delvin Williams
Roger Craig
Wendell Tyler
Ricky Watters
Garrison Hearst
Frank Gore

[johnsmith]

It is old and played out already.

Go chase someone else since that is your only purpose in life.

So you don't want to address that you came in here complaining that someone was following around Avante and then several posts later complained that I couldn't stick to the topic?

[johnsmith]

Just as I thought you ain't got shit. Come on moron show me something I said idiotic That's a challenge.

What about when you kept saying "you want it all"?


Or the time you said you were a historian?

Or the time you didn't understand how to read odds?

etc, etc, etc...

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Welchvante dodging questions and criticism of his shitful takes
:lol Niners
:lol Fluke season
:lol Alex Smith

[johnsmith]

It is old and played out already.

Go chase someone else since that is your only purpose in life.

Or wait, wait, what about addressing the fact that your schtick was to complain about e-bullying and people ganging up on others but you and your boy there are constantly attempting to do the same thing?

Talk about that.....or is that not on topic enough for you?

[Clipper Nation]

What about when you kept saying "you want it all"?


Or the time you said you were a historian?

Or the time you didn't understand how to read odds?

etc, etc, etc...

Or BOTH times he made a dumb bet, lost, then changed the rules after the fact....

Or how he claimed to be liked at other forums but is really either loathed or banned at 30+ forums....

Or how he lists himself as a Spurfan but admits he knows nothing about basketball...

Or how he claims to be a track historian because he makes lists with wrong times.....

[johnsmith]

so if they came as close they did with a lesser off with the same defense......



Yet another example.

[The Gemini Method]

I like the LBing corps of the 49ers and that should be the best part of this team with Willias and stabbing victim Aldon Smith. If the D stays healthy--like last year--I see them being a serious contender. I can't wait til FB season though...

[Avante]

Lol just ignore that gore wore down in the 2nd half an is almost 30.

Lots of rookies have produced. While that's a compelling argument, not many have produced that have as far to go as Jenkins does. He is more likely the next buster Davis.

Brady
Manning
Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Romo
Flacco
Stafford
Ryan
Schaub
Cutler
Newton
Vick
Freeman

That's 16 qb's off the top of my head...Would you take smith over any of them?

I like Jaworski have Smith at number 16

16. Alex Smith, 49ers
15. Cam Newton, Panthers

[johnsmith]

I can't wait til FB season though...

:toast

So much more entertaining than the other seasons.

[Clipper Nation]

I like Jaworski have Smith at number 16

16. Alex Smith, 49ers
15. Cam Newton, Panthers

Son, if you think Alex Smith is anywhere NEAR Cam Newton's level, you are delusional.... yet another shit take, tbh...

[Avante]

Yet another example.

That came after your statement. Remember there are soooooooo many idiotic statements you should be rolling.

Go ahead elaborate.

[silverblk mystix]

Or wait, wait, what about addressing the fact that your schtick was to complain about e-bullying and people ganging up on others but you and your boy there are constantly attempting to do the same thing?

Talk about that.....or is that not on topic enough for you?

It is all played out.

If I see you and any other trolls ankle-biting--I will call you on it.

Neither one of us is bullying anyone. Avante started this football thread. Clipper Nation and idiots like you came here to ankle-bite as usual.

Talk football or don't post. Simple.

If it is a thread about widgets-then post about widgets - or don't post.
Can your infant brain handle that?

Then stfu.

[Avante]

Son, if you think Alex Smith is anywhere NEAR Cam Newton's level, you are delusional.... yet another shit take, tbh...

Son, tell Ron Jaworski that.

[johnsmith]

That came after your statement. Remember there are soooooooo many idiotic statements you should be rolling.

Go ahead elaborate.

You don't get it do you?

[Clipper Nation]

That came after your statement. Remember there are soooooooo many idiotic statements you should be rolling.

Go ahead elaborate.

Son, you've made 1,672 dumb statements and counting... and that's just as Avante....

[Clipper Nation]

Son, tell Ron Jaworski that.

It's a shit take by him too, tbh.... Alex Smith sucks....

[johnsmith]

It is all played out.

If I see you and any other trolls ankle-biting--I will call you on it.

Neither one of us is bullying anyone. Avante started this football thread. Clipper Nation and idiots like you came here to ankle-bite as usual.

Talk football or don't post. Simple.

If it is a thread about widgets-then post about widgets - or don't post.
Can your infant brain handle that?

Then stfu.

So let me get this straight....it's ok for you to come in here and take a shot at someone, but when someone does it to you, it's not ok?

Got it.

[Avante]

What about when you kept saying "you want it all"?


Or the time you said you were a historian?

Or the time you didn't understand how to read odds?

etc, etc, etc...

You haven't figured out by now that I'm a track/football/blues historian? You can't be serious.

[Avante]

It's a shit take by him too, tbh.... Alex Smith sucks....

Do your homework stupid.

Ever heard of passer rating?

[silverblk mystix]

So let me get this straight....it's ok for you to come in here and take a shot at someone, but when someone does it to you, it's not ok?

Got it.

No.

I came in here when I saw a couple of ankle-biters on Avante. I said back off and stick to the topic.

I am done. Can we discuss football? I can. Can you?

If the topic is not interesting or good enough for you-then why post?

Your only reason for posting--was to attack/ankle-bite Avante.

THAT is played out. Give it a rest.

[johnsmith]

You haven't figured out by now that I'm a track/football/blues historian? You can't be serious.

Have you published anything in regards to any of these subjects?

If not, you are just a guy that is interested in track/football/blues....if anything, you're just another fan, like everyone else.

[Avante]

Son, you've made 1,672 dumb statements and counting... and that's just as Avante....

Such as?

[johnsmith]

No.

I came in here when I saw a couple of ankle-biters on Avante. I said back off and stick to the topic.

I am done. Can we discuss football? I can. Can you?

If the topic is not interesting or good enough for you-then why post?

Your only reason for posting--was to attack/ankle-bite Avante.

THAT is played out. Give it a rest.

Ummmmm, you haven't discussed football yet in this thread.

And I came in here, was genuinely interested in the thread, but honestly, without the 100 m times, I wasn't impressed.

Now run along, we're in here to talk football, not just yell at everyone.

[silverblk mystix]

Have you published anything in regards to any of these subjects?

If not, you are just a guy that is interested in track/football/blues....if anything, you're just another fan, like everyone else.

What have you published johnsmith?
Are you a reporter?

Are you writing a book on Historians?

What do you do? Are you employed? Age? National origin?

Since you choose not to stick to the topic- lets talk about you.

Can you please answer.

[johnsmith]

Such as?

"I'm a track/blues/football historian".

[johnsmith]

[QUOTE=silverblk mystix;6035301]What have you published johnsmith? Nothing, but I've never claimed to be something I'm not......soooooo.......
Are you a reporter? No

Are you writing a book on Historians? No, why would you even ask that?
What do you do? All sorts of stuff.....that's way to open ended of a question.
Are you employed? yes.
Age? 32
National origin? USA

Since you choose not to stick to the topic- lets talk about you. Thanks for asking little fella.....that was nice.

[Avante]

Have you published anything in regards to any of these subjects?

If not, you are just a guy that is interested in track/football/blues....if anything, you're just another fan, like everyone else.

How about I know all about those topics starting with their origins? How about I could teach those topics at any school in the world?

You can play internet idiot all you want little fella, you will not find anyone who knows more about those pet topics than...me.

[Avante]

"I'm a track/blues/football historian".

Prove me wrong? Good luck!

That's a challenge.

[Clipper Nation]

Do your homework stupid.

Ever heard of passer rating?

Yes.... his career passer rating is 76.4.... Cam Newton surpassed that in his first year, B.... even guys like Joe Flacco and Jason Campbell have better career passer ratings than Smith.....

[johnsmith]

How about I know all about those topics starting with their origins? How about I could teach those topics at any school in the world?

You can play internet idiot all you want little fella, you will not find anyone who knows more about those pet topics than...me.

k.....but you're not a historian.....just so we're clear on that.

[Avante]

You don't get it do you?

Once again you ain't got shit:rolleyes

[johnsmith]

Prove me wrong? Good luck!

That's a challenge.

You made the claim that you were a historian first.....burden of proof is on you, not me.

Now link us to your proof.

[johnsmith]

Once again you ain't got shit:rolleyes

And once again, you still don't get it do you?

[Avante]

k.....but you're not a historian.....just so we're clear on that.

Well if 12 big books on them blues, over 1000 CD's of old blues.

The NFL Encyclopedia, 50 years of watching the game, 20,000 football cards from the late 50's to yesteday. Books on the great backs, great QB's.

Tons and tons of track& field info. Books on the history of the Olympics, the great athletes, and this...

http://trackfield.brinkster.net/YearsUSA.asp?Year=1957&Gender=M&TF=T&P=F

Dude:rolleyes

[Clipper Nation]

So you admit that you copy/paste all those lists from a website....

:lol Exposed

[Avante]

And once again, you still don't get it do you?

I get it, there you are a guy who don't know shit pissed off because I do. I post threads that go on for days while you have nothing.

[Clipper Nation]

How many times does it need to be explained to you that starting threads is about quality over quantity, B?

[gaKNOW!blee]

I don't know why you guys get so caught up trying to argue with avante about that other shit. You could easily embarrass him by just sticking to the NFL.

So far his best takes in this tread have been "lots of rookies produce" and citing Ron jaworski.

[Avante]

So you admit that you copy/paste all those lists from a website....

:lol Exposed

Who gets NFL stuff from a track & field board:rolleyes

I have never posted a list from there. It's just part of my education. As is this..

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/

Wanna stay current...

http://www.tilastopaja.org/db/toplist.php?list=top&All=0&Ind=0&top=20&Season=2012

Wanna know the rankings?

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/rankings

Notice how quickly I do this?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/343283-the-history-of-the-100m-dash/

[Clipper Nation]

I don't know why you guys get so caught up trying to argue with avante about that other shit. You could easily embarrass him by just sticking to the NFL.

So far his best takes in this tread have been "lots of rookies produce" and citing Ron jaworski.

He just ignores any factual comebacks to his shit takes by "translating" them into completely unrelated lists, so it's useless to actually try to have a serious debate with him, tbh.....

[Avante]

I don't know why you guys get so caught up trying to argue with avante about that other shit. You could easily embarrass him by just sticking to the NFL.

So far his best takes in this tread have been "lots of rookies produce" and citing Ron jaworski.

So far your takes have been how Gore is washed up. As he comes off his second best season:rolleyes

You have no clue what Smiths passer rating was:rolleyes

Don't know shit about the 2012 Moss:rolleyes

Have no clue at all about what Jenkins will do:rolleyes

Have the nations leading rusher last year as..a scatback:rolleyes

Do you know anything at all?

[Avante]

He just ignores any factual comebacks to his shit takes by "translating" them into completely unrelated lists, so it's useless to actually try to have a serious debate with him, tbh.....

You have serious debates...where? Show me.

[silverblk mystix]

He just ignores any factual comebacks to his shit takes by "translating" them into completely unrelated lists, so it's useless to actually try to have a serious debate with him, tbh.....

Yet, here you are.

:lol

[Clipper Nation]

You have serious debates...where? Show me.

I've been telling you this whole thread about how Smith is garbage... you brought up passer rating and dropped the subject when that one lame argument got exposed.....

[Clipper Nation]

Yet, here you are.

:lol

Yet, here he is... don't really get why someone who either can't or won't answer people's feedback/questions on their takes or have a normal conversation keeps posting here....

[silverblk mystix]

And once again, you still don't get it do you?

You and your little boyfriends bitched and moaned about Avante in the club.

Cried like little bitches (still crying) and complained about him jerked each other off and declared his posts/threads/takes were shit.


Then you followed him here when he started laying low in the club.


:lmao:lmao:lmao


Obsessed pathetic faggots.

Sounds like Avante owns you bitches.

[Avante]

I've been telling you this whole thread about how Smith is garbage... you brought up passer rating and dropped the subject when that one lame argument got exposed.....

Let's see how long you can keep your head out of your ass, ok?

I've seen them all as far back as Johnny Unitas. Long time NFL fan, yep, I really do know more about this than you do. As does Ron Jaworski. I didn't need him however to tell me to put Smith at around 16th, I picked up on his evaluation later. Yep, 16th is about right, that is hardly garbage. You are just playing te in hiding punk knowing I'm a Niner fan, you have no clue what makes an NFL Qb.

[Avante]

You and your little boyfriends bitched and moaned about Avante in the club.

Cried like little bitches (still crying) and complained about him jerked each other off and declared his posts/threads/takes were shit.


Then you followed him here when he started laying low in the club.


:lmao:lmao:lmao


Obsessed pathetic faggots.

Sounds like Avante owns you bitches.

I should go to the Club, there they go, come back here, here they come, go back there, there they go, come back...hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! They belong to me!

The real bummer is that none of them are a challenge or know anything. That sucks!

[Clipper Nation]

Let's see how long you can keep your head out of your ass, ok?

I've seen them all as far back as Johnny Unitas. Long time NFL fan, yep, I really do know more about this than you do. As does Ron Jaworski. I didn't need him however to tell me to put Smith at around 16th, I picked up on his evaluation later. Yep, 16th is about right, that is hardly garbage. You are just playing te in hiding punk knowing I'm a Niner fan, you have no clue what makes an NFL Qb.

You haven't brought up a single decent argument proving your point....

[Avante]

You haven't brought up a single decent argument proving your point....

It's starts with completion %, you know what that is? Then we look at INTS...sorry..interceptions (throwing to the bad guys). Now we look at success.

You take all those into consideration for the 2011 season and then do some comparisions and you'll see what I saw. Alex Smith is one of the top half QB's. Prove me wrong.

Now this is what you're going to to...trust me. You aren't going to do anything, it's too much work, too time consuming. So you'll play the internet dummy bit as you always do.

Prove me wrong slick or shut the fuck up.

[Clipper Nation]

It's starts with completion %, you know what that is? Then we look at INTS...sorry..interceptions (throwing to the bad guys). Now we look at success.

You take all those into consideration for the 2011 season and then do some comparisions and you'll see what I saw. Alex Smith is one of the top half QB's. Prove me wrong.

:lol Judging a quarterback's career based on one season that is most likely an outlier

[Avante]

:lol Judging a quarterback's career based on one season that is most likely an outlier

Who is judging a career? Who cares about pre-Harbaugh? I'm talking about the here and now, the Harbaugh era.

You are so fucking dumb it's comical.

[Clipper Nation]

You do realize that quarterbacks have to prove themselves worthy over a few years to be considered a top QB in the league, right....

[Avante]

You do realize that quarterbacks have to prove themselves worthy over a few years to be considered a top QB in the league, right....

So that puts Smith above Newton...right?

I didn't say he was one of the top QB's, I said he was in the top 16 because he is. Do your homework.

[Clipper Nation]

Also, for all your hype, Smith didn't even crack top 10 among NFL QB's in completion percentage, was a mediocre 19th in passing yards, 17th in yards per attempt, and was sacked the most times of any NFL quarterback.... last year was his best season ever and he was STILL painfully mediocre on his best days.... he is just not a top 16 NFL quarterback, B, get over it.....

[Avante]

Also, for all your hype, Smith didn't even crack top 10 among NFL QB's in completion percentage, was a mediocre 19th in passing yards, 17th in yards per attempt, and was sacked the most times of any NFL quarterback.... last year was his best season ever and he was STILL painfully mediocre on his best days.... he is just not a top 16 NFL quarterback, B, get over it.....

What happened to Smith being better than Cam Newton? Funny how you ignored that.

Coming off last season and heading into this one Alex Smith is around16th if we look at what it takes to be an NFL QB. Don't care about 2010 and before, that means nothing,

[Clipper Nation]

The advanced stats are even harsher on Smith.... team offensive DVOA shows that Alex Smith led a San Francisco offense that was only 18th in efficiency... Mark freaking Sanchez threw for almost as many effective yards as Smith last year... Smith was 13th in DYAR and 14th in DVOA.... again, in his best year to date, Smith led an inefficient offense and was inefficient himself..... considering that the rest of his career has been shit, there really is no argument for Smith being in the top 16 quarterbacks in this league....

[Blake]

I am done. Can we discuss football? I can. Can you?.

lol done.

You haven't discussed football and you're not going to, ankle biter.




I'm an obsessed pathetic faggot.

© silverblk mystix

[Clipper Nation]

What happened to Smith being better than Cam Newton? Funny how you ignored that.

Coming off last season and heading into this one Alex Smith is around16th if we look at what it takes to be an NFL QB. Don't care about 2010 and before, that means nothing,

The stats I've posted are last season's, not 2010's....

Newton is already producing better than Alex Smith did in his best season ever..... because Newton's a double threat QB, you can't just look at his passing stats (which are great for a rookie QB).... he led all quarterbacks in rushing DYAR and effective rushing yards.... he also single-handedly improved Carolina's offense from the least efficient in the league in 2010 to the 4th-most efficient offense in 2011, in his rookie year.....

[Avante]

The advanced stats are even harsher on Smith.... team offensive DVOA shows that Alex Smith led a San Francisco offense that was only 18th in efficiency... Mark freaking Sanchez threw for almost as many effective yards as Smith last year... Smith was 13th in DYAR and 14th in DVOA.... again, in his best year to date, Smith led an inefficient offense and was inefficient himself..... considering that the rest of his career has been shit, there really is no argument for Smith being in the top 16 quarterbacks in this league....

Totally disagree.

I'm not talking about career, I'm talking about right now.

Look at the now. Competion %, lack of INT's, rating. He is without question 16th or so.

[Clipper Nation]

Totally disagree.

I'm not talking about career, I'm talking about right now.

Look at the now. Competion %, lack of INT's, rating. He is without question 16th or so.

Are you retarded? Those stats I posted are from the 2011-12 season alone, not his whole career....

Even if you're only going to judge on last season, which just so happens to be Smith's best season ever, he is STILL a mediocre, inefficient QB who leads an inefficient offense.... he is NOT a good starting QB, case closed....

[Clipper Nation]

Bottom line: if you are inefficient and barely mediocre at your absolute pinnacle performance, and utter shit the rest of your time, you aren't good... period...

[Avante]

Are you retarded? Those stats I posted are from the 2011-12 season alone, not his whole career....

Even if you're only going to judge on last season, which just so happens to be Smith's best season ever, he is STILL a mediocre, inefficient QB who leads an inefficient offense.... he is NOT a good starting QB, case closed....

Retarded is talking about how it take years, then putting Newton above Smith, that's fucking retarded. As you continue to stay far far away from it knowing you totally fucked that up, that's retarded!!!!!!!

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Former NFL quarterback and current ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski is conducting an ongoing segment in which he ranks his top 30. On Monday, "Jaws" named San Francisco 49ers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/san-francisco-49ers) Alex Smith (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2116/alex-smith) his 16th best quarterback in the league. This ranking officially made Smith the top quarterback for NFC West passers (Sam Bradford (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108591/sam-bradford) - 20th, Kevin Kolb (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1342/kevin-kolb) - 25th and Matt Flynn (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34560/matt-flynn) - 27th), according to Jaworski.

I think he knows a little more about this as I do. You got owned once again, don't you get tired of being a speedbump?

Damn I'd hate to be you.

[Clipper Nation]

You're the one who's judging off one-year sample sizes, B.... by your own criteria, Newton > Smith....

[Avante]

You're the one who's judging off one-year sample sizes, B.... by your own criteria, Newton > Smith....

You're the one talking stupid. One minute it takes years the next.....:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

I got news for ya idiot, no it doesn't take years. What did Marino do early on, well? How about John Elway, well? DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK!!!!!!

Ever heard of Peyton Manning dummy?

Ok dude, I gave you another chance, you blew it. You are just too fucking dumb.

Here's how it's going to go starting right now. Everything you post directed at me will be used for me to show off. Yep..

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So tell me...

That's all you're good for.

[Clipper Nation]

You're the one talking stupid. One minute it takes years the next.....:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

I got news for ya idiot, no it doesn't take years. What did Marino do early on, well? How about John Elway, well? DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK!!!!!!
:lol Meltdown

What did Marino do coming into the league? 64.2% completion percentage, 5,084 yards, 48 touchdowns, 108.9 rating in his second season...

Elway's rookie year was garbage but he has 14 elite seasons and 2 rings to make up for it....

Both QB's early years shat on Smith's, but neither could be crowned as greats until they had proven themselves over multiple years..... flukes come and go, but greats stay on top for a very long time...

Smith has yet to even approach Marino's stats or Elway's success in 8 years.... comparing him to those two is a joke.....

[Clipper Nation]

BTW, question for you, Welchvante: if it only takes one good season to be considered a good QB, how come Trent Dilfer, Joe Namath, or Mark Rypien aren't considered all-time greats?

[Avante]

:lol Meltdown

What did Marino do coming into the league? 64.2% completion percentage, 5,084 yards, 48 touchdowns, 108.9 rating in his second season...

Elway's rookie year was garbage but he has 14 elite seasons and 2 rings to make up for it....

Both QB's early years shat on Smith's, but neither could be crowned as greats until they had proven themselves over multiple years..... flukes come and go, but greats stay on top for a very long time...

Smith has yet to even approach Marino's stats or Elway's success in 8 years.... comparing him to those two is a joke.....

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So tell me oh great one, who is the best NFL receiver from a HBCU school?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You're kidding right?

Jerry Rice Missisippi Valley State

[Avante]

BTW, question for you, Welchvante: if it only takes one good season to be considered a good QB, how come Trent Dilfer, Joe Namath, or Mark Rypien aren't considered all-time greats?

translation

What does HBCU stand for?

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:rolleyes

[Clipper Nation]

So then you've lost the argument... :lol

[Avante]

So then you've lost the argument... :lol


translation

I know I said it takes years to be recognized a great NFL QB. I was wrong as you showed.

I keep forgetting you are talking about the here and now, but I still know than Ron Jaworski, what's he know about NFL QBing?

[Clipper Nation]

You are retarded..... many QB's have one or two good years, only a few can be great for 10-15 years.... Alex Smith has been barely mediocre ONCE in eight years and garbage in the other seven....

[Blake]

So tell me oh great one, who is the best NFL receiver from a HBCU school?


© RaZon

[Avante]

You are retarded..... many QB's have one or two good years, only a few can be great for 10-15 years.... Alex Smith has been barely mediocre ONCE in eight years and garbage in the other seven....

Not talking about careers. He's been in how nany systems?

[Clipper Nation]

I was wondering how long it would take for you to bring up the :cry having to constantly learn new systems :cry excuse....

Firstly... we're only going off last year by your criteria, so any systems from before 2011 should be irrelevant to you....

Secondly... you know who else has played under several different offensive coordinators in his career? TOM BRADY...

[Avante]

I was wondering how long it would take for you to bring up the :cry having to constantly learn new systems :cry excuse....

Firstly... we're only going off last year by your criteria, so any systems from before 2011 should be irrelevant to you....

Secondly... you know who else has played under several different offensive coordinators in his career? TOM BRADY...

Are you really brain dead?

I'll go really really slow...

You were the one talking about pre 2011 not me. I was explaining to you why he might have struggled. You honestly didn't pick up on that:rolleyes I don;t care about anything priior to 2011, you did.

Alex Smith is no Tom Brady, how many are?

Is this little shit for real?

[Clipper Nation]

No, Alex Smith struggled because he's a suck-ass quarterback.... good quarterbacks find a way to succeed even in crappy systems (see the numbers Rivers has been putting up the past few years in Norv Turner's fetal position offense)...

[Avante]

No, Alex Smith struggled because he's a suck-ass quarterback.... good quarterbacks find a way to succeed even in crappy systems (see the numbers Rivers has been putting up the past few years in Norv Turner's fetal position offense)...

Are you paying any attention at all? Nobody is saying Alex Smith is anything other than a middle of the pack talent. You consider...16th..as being great? Hell no he's not on a level with the elite I never said he was dummy. I see him right there in the middle.

Dude:rolleyes

[Clipper Nation]

Except Smith isn't a good quarterback, even going off last year's stats... mediocre at best....

[The Gemini Method]

The thing is; if that defense replicates what it did last year he doesn't have to be great/good. He is a tad bit mediocre because he still made big plays when it counted. I would rather have Alex Smith than Brady Quinn or Colt McCoy. He just has much, much, better weaponry around him he doesn't have to go all out and get 5k yards, 30+ touchdowns, 60%+ completion rate, or a QB rating of 95--just don't fuck it up. Hand the ball of to Gore and throw the ball to Davis, James, or Manningham and let them pick up the YAC.

[Avante]

Except Smith isn't a good quarterback, even going off last year's stats... mediocre at best....

Let's go with passer rating

1.Rodgers...122.5
2.Brees..110.6
3.Brady..105.9
4.Romo...102.5
5.Stafford..97.2
6.Shaub...96.8
7.Manning..92.9
8.Ryan..92.2
9.Smith...90.7

Big Ben, Rivers, Newton, Flacco..below.

His 61.3 completion % puts him at 10th.

HeVv7T9kI2s (http://HeVv7T9kI2s)

9th...passer ranking
1st...lowest INT%
10th..completion %
16th..ranked by a guy getting paid to rank this guys and played QB himself.
16th..ranked by a guy who has seen every QB since 1962.

Let me guess, you don't get it.

[Clipper Nation]

I've posted plenty of stats already to back me up, you can keep living in your fantasy world where up is down, 1+1=3, and Alex Smith is good...

[gaKNOW!blee]

Stats like passer rating and completion % are misleading.

I mean he's not going to throw a lot of ints when he's not asked to make big time NFL throws. 3100 yards for an NFL Qb is not good. There are at the very least 18 qb's I would rather have if I needed to win one game, and that's not even including luck and rg3 who quite frankly would give me more confidence than smith despite not seeing them play in the league yet.

[Avante]

I've posted plenty of stats already to back me up, you can keep living in your fantasy world where up is down, 1+1=3, and Alex Smith is good...

Middle of the pack is all I've ever said.

You really do need to work on those comprehension skills.

[Avante]

Stats like passer rating and completion % are misleading.

I mean he's not going to throw a lot of ints when he's not asked to make big time NFL throws. 3100 yards for an NFL Qb is not good. There are at the very least 18 qb's I would rather have if I needed to win one game, and that's not even including luck and rg3 who quite frankly would give me more confidence than smith despite not seeing them play in the league yet.

Now you're getting ridiculous.

[Clipper Nation]

Middle of the pack is all I've ever said.

You really do need to work on those comprehension skills.

You said he was a top 16 quarterback, implying he was in the "good" half of NFL quarterbacks.... in his best year ever, he was barely mediocre, and he has been utter shit during the entire rest of his career.... he is not a good starting QB, period, give it up.....

[Clipper Nation]

Now you're getting ridiculous.

Yeah, only 18 QB's being ahead of Smith might even be generous, tbh....

[Avante]

You said he was a top 16 quarterback, implying he was in the "good" half of NFL quarterbacks.... in his best year ever, he was barely mediocre, and he has been utter shit during the entire rest of his career.... he is not a good starting QB, period, give it up.....

Top 10 in completion %
Top 10 in QB rating
Number 1 in INT%
One game away from a SB

You are geyond stupid.

Check out them Niners.

Number one punter
Number one FG kicker
Number 3 rusher in the NFC
One of the elite TE's
Carlos Rogers stud DB
Number 3 kick returner in the NFC
Patrick Willis stud backer
Pro bowl lineman
Alton Smith one of the top pass rushers
Top ranked defense
Hall of Famer to be receiver

Wow!~
16th ranked QB

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Trying to prove that a scrub quarterback is good by listing all the talent that's carrying his ass

[Avante]

:lol Trying to prove that a scrub quarterback is good by listing all the talent that's carrying his ass

The stats say differently.

[Spursfan092120]

Top 10 in completion %
Top 10 in QB rating
Number 1 in INT%
One game away from a SB

You are geyond stupid.

Check out them Niners.

Number one punter
Number one FG kicker
Number 3 rusher in the NFC
One of the elite TE's
Carlos Rogers stud DB
Number 3 kick returner in the NFC
Patrick Willis stud backer
Pro bowl lineman
Alton Smith one of the top pass rushers
Top ranked defense
Hall of Famer to be receiver

Wow!~
16th ranked QB

And you lost to my shitty ass Cowboys...what's your point?

[Avante]

And you lost to my shitty ass Cowboys...what's your point?

The point is the Niners are on the brink of something big ,your shitty ass Cowboys aren't.

[Clipper Nation]

The point is the Niners are on the brink of something big ,your shitty ass Cowboys aren't.
Completely due to their top-10 defense in the league, which is also 3rd in DVOA and weighted defense....

Here's a couple more embarrassing stats....

San Francisco's offense was 16th in the league in variance last year, meaning that Smith led a very inconsistent offense....

SF was 23rd in yards per drive and led the league in turnovers per drive....

Again, in Smith's BEST season, he was mediocre and inefficient and the offense he led was inefficient, inconsistent, and turnover-prone..... just goes to show that no matter the sample size, he isn't a good quarterback... get over it, B....

[Avante]

Completely due to their top-10 defense in the league, which is also 3rd in DVOA and weighted defense....

Here's a couple more embarrassing stats....

San Francisco's offense was 16th in the league in variance last year, meaning that Smith led a very inconsistent offense....

SF was 23rd in yards per drive and led the league in turnovers per drive....

Again, in Smith's BEST season, he was mediocre and inefficient and the offense he led was inefficient, inconsistent, and turnover-prone..... just goes to show that no matter the sample size, he isn't a good quarterback... get over it, B....

It was fun kicking around you showing eveyone just how totally fucked up you really are. But now Im getting bored with you. So this will be the final say on this, as usual your comeback will suck and won't be read so don't bother

Right now Alex Smith is finally finding himself, he will have the best receivering corp he's had. Like Jaworski said (believe it or not he knows far more about NFL QBing than you do) and I agree Smith is right there in the middle. Hardly a great QB, hardly a bad QB, he's a good QB.

See how you work, the Niners have a top 10 defense? How about one of the top 3?

Ok man once again talking at you is like going to the dentist, a total downer. You're too stupid to be entertaining and to uncreative to pose a challenge, yep a waste of time.

So it's come to this, if I ever respond to you again I'm gone for good. You make it too obvious that if I gave you a brand new 100 dollar bill you'd find something wrong with it. You just have some need to bug me.

Good bye~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Clipper Nation]

So in other words, you have no response to my stats other than to keep leg-humping Jaworski's list and insisting that Alex Smith is good.... I win, you have a shitful take, end of story, B... :lol

[symple19]

Moss "Great character, good heart" http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/71541/mosswatch-great-character-good-heart

Doesn't it always start out this way?

[Avante]

Let's see...

So so QB

Great stable of backs in..

Frank Gore
Brandon Jacobs
LaMichael James
Kendall Hunter
Anthony Dixon
Rock Cartwright

Great TE...Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker

All kinds of diverse talent at receiver...

Michael Crabtree
Marion Manningham
Randy Moss with his big heart
A.J Jenkins..zoom!
Kyle Williams
Chris Owusu...zoom!
Brian Tyms...SWAC stud

Solid o line

Monster D!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best special teams in the league.

What's not to like?

[symple19]

Let's see...

So so QB

Great stable of backs in..

Frank Gore
Brandon Jacobs
LaMichael James
Kendall Hunter
Anthony Dixon
Rock Cartwright

Great TE...Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker

All kinds of diverse talent at receiver...

Michael Crabtree
Marion Manningham
Randy Moss with his big heart
A.J Jenkins..zoom!
Kyle Williams
Chris Owusu...zoom!
Brian Tyms...SWAC stud

Solid o line

Monster D!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best special teams in the league.

What's not to like?

Not much, I have to admit... except Alex Smith. I will say that stable of receivers is as good as it's been since at least 98', imo (Stokes/T.O./Rice)

Also, looks like Delanie will definitely be back from injury and ready to go...very good news. That guy does just about everything well and always plays hard.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Let's see...

So so QB

Great stable of backs in..

Frank Gore
Brandon Jacobs
LaMichael James
Kendall Hunter
Anthony Dixon
Rock Cartwright

Great TE...Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker

All kinds of diverse talent at receiver...

Michael Crabtree
Marion Manningham
Randy Moss with his big heart
A.J Jenkins..zoom!
Kyle Williams
Chris Owusu...zoom!
Brian Tyms...SWAC stud

Solid o line

Monster D!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best special teams in the league.

What's not to like?


You just answered your own question. :lol

[symple19]

Okay Avante...look at the schedule and tell me what you think the record will be

I've got at least 10-6...losses to Green Bay, New England, and New Orleans on the road. maybe even the Jets since those long east coast trips are tough as hell. Then one more at home to either the Giants/Lions/Bears...maybe 2 of those teams. 11 is doable too.

This schedule is so much more difficult than last year. Thank goodness the division sucks balls

[Avante]

Okay Avante...look at the schedule and tell me what you think the record will be

I've got at least 10-6...losses to Green Bay, New England, and New Orleans on the road. maybe even the Jets since those long east coast trips are tough as hell. Then one more at home to either the Giants/Lions/Bears...maybe 2 of those teams. 11 is doable too.

This schedule is so much more difficult than last year. Thank goodness the division sucks balls

We have that rare three game home stand then a rare Thurs then Mon games. Great position to be in.

We'll go 7-1 at home. We'll blow a game.

On the road...4-4 maybe 5-3. So in an attempt to not be a homer...11-5

It's a bummer starting off in GB but I do pity Detroit the following week in SF. Good teams coming off a loss back at home....gold!!!!!!!

[Avante]

You just answered your own question. :lol

Hit the newstands, grab ya a few of those football mags, tell me what you see.

[symple19]

Smith has what offensive coordinator Greg Roman calls a "unique" ability to grasp a game's dynamics in real time for the purposes of managing risks. On the surface, that sounds like a creative way to avoid slapping the dreaded "game manager" label on a quarterback with limited skills. The 49ers don't see it that way at all. They think Smith has demonstrated all the intangibles great quarterbacks should possess: mental and physical toughness; an off-the-charts football IQ; a level head no matter the circumstances; a passion for preparation; and the ability to perform in the clutch. They see him leading an offense that wasn't as bad as advertised, one that should only get better. http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/71690/camp-confidential-49ers-2


:lmao

[dirk4mvp]

Patrick Willis will go down as the best MLB ever.

[symple19]

Patrick Willis will go down as the best MLB ever.

That is a strong statement. hope you're right

[Avante]

Patrick Willis will go down as the best MLB ever.

Guy had it realy rough growing up, his dad was a crazy man.

Not trying to be a homer but this Niner D is special.

[Avante]

Now we will see a team without an elite QB win in the NFL in todays game. You win the turnover battle, you give up less than 20 points, you play solid special teams you can not only win but prosper.

A middle of the pack QB in the Superbowl, thanks to a solid running game, a monster D and the best special teams in the league.

Yes todays NFL is about throwing the ball. The Niner will be the exception.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Guy had it realy rough growing up, his dad was a crazy man.

Not trying to be a homer but this Niner D is special.

Just keep protecting Donte Whitner from having to cover literally anyone, and that defense will once again be awesome.

[Avante]

Just keep protecting Donte Whitner from having to cover literally anyone, and that defense will once again be awesome.

I don't care how they do it that defense with be awesome.

[symple19]

Aldon Smith is back at practice

Jacobs knee has no severe damage, should be back before the season starts

[xellos88330]

That is good news. The niners really need him for those 3rd downs. They were terrible on 3rd down last year.

[lakerhaterade]

Avante still thinks it's the old days when a running game and a defensive identity was all that was needed to win championships.

:lol, he's in for a rude awakening, especially with Alex Smith taking those snaps.

[Avante]

Avante still thinks it's the old days when a running game and a defensive identity was all that was needed to win championships.

:lol, he's in for a rude awakening, especially with Alex Smith taking those snaps.

The Niners were 29th in passing, the Ravens were 19th. Both a few plays away from meeting in the SB. Who would is motoe that keeps then running for those teams....Frank Gore/Ray Rice and defense. So yes you can win with a strong running game and a monster D.

[lakerhaterade]

The Niners were 29th in passing, the Ravens were 19th. Both a few plays away from meeting in the SB. but they didn't

Figures......especially with who was taking the snaps on both teams, respectively

[Avante]

Figures......especially with who was taking the snaps on both teams, respectively

The bottom line is this...

If you have a great/elite QB like an Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees you can get by without a great defense/running game. Yes a great passing attack will be enought. If however you don't have that great/elite QB you can win if you do everything else well. You must win the turnover battle, run the ball, play monster D and special teams. So it's easier to win with that great/elite QB but you can win without one if you have a great team.

Alex Smith is a middle of the pack QB, but on a team with Frank Gore/Vernon Davis/monster SD/best special teams in the league he can win. So it takes a lot more to make up for an average QB.

[Avante]

Doesn't anyone here watch the games? I'm starting to wonder because if you do how many times have you heard......until they can establish the run...or....they need a running attack.....well?

Here's reality...(fantasy example)

The Giants have no running game, Jacobs is hurt and Bradshaw is nursing a sore hammy. The Eagles know that. On first down Bradshaw has a hole but lacks that burst...2 yards. Second down those backers are laying back not at all concerned with an 80% running back. Eli throws to Nicks...incomplete...third and 8. Now what happens, yep here comes that Eagle pass rush.

Now what if the Giants have a ground game? Bradshaw explodes for seven, still an incomplete pass but it's now 3rd and short. No way those backers are laying off, this is a run/pass?????....situation. The Eagles are also reluctant to all out rush Eli.

That's what a running game does. It makes the passing game so much more effective.

I guarantee all that will be said sometime during some game you are watching in 2012. That is football.

Yes we could easily of had the Niners vs Ravens in last seasons SB, three plays away from that happening so to play..."it's all about passing the ball"...isn't realistic. Yes yes yes it is a pasing league, no no no that isn't the all everything.

[Avante]

This from John Clayton...

Arrow is pointing: up

17. Alex Smith, San Francisco 49ers


Quote:
Analysis: Smith had the greatest rise of any quarterback in football last year. I ranked him 28th going into last season, and his résumé made him more a miss than a hit. Thanks to Jim Harbaugh's scheme and hard work by Smith, he has become a playoff-caliber Pennington.

Jaworski had him at 16. Yep, middle of the pack.

[symple19]

This from John Clayton...

Arrow is pointing: up

17. Alex Smith, San Francisco 49ers


Quote:
Analysis: Smith had the greatest rise of any quarterback in football last year. I ranked him 28th going into last season, and his résumé made him more a miss than a hit. Thanks to Jim Harbaugh's scheme and hard work by Smith, he has become a playoff-caliber Pennington.

Jaworski had him at 16. Yep, middle of the pack.

Avante, you're still missing my (and most others) point. Middle of the pack QB's don't win championships. And don't come back with the same arguments you've been using ad nauseam.

He's not elite, nor even close.

Yes, the Niners have a strong rushing attack and a strong defense...everyone knows

Yes, they were close to making the fucking super bowl last year, but they didn't...so stfu about it. This year isn't last year

Stop repeating the same shit over and over again...you're not adding anything to the discussion

Why don't you try something novel, like telling me, in your infinite wisdom, how the right side of that Niner o-line is going to do with a new guy (Boone) in there?

How about breaking Alex Smith down and telling us what he can do to improve?

How should the Niners juggle all these receivers in order to keep them happy and mentally in the game?

What players, outside of Willis/Rodgers/Smith, will be key on defense?

Who's your breakout player?

All i've seen you do around here is generalize and compare to teams from the 1800's..it's old and it's motherfucking tired. You don't know everything...not even close. Frankly, I think you're one of the least knowledgeable posters in this forum in regards to the contemporary game of football

Stop being a parrot, and start coming up with some new takes.

[symple19]

And be specific, not just with names, but why those names are good/bad etc...

you strike me as a homer who can't bag on anybody if they play for your team...that makes you an awful fan, imo

[symple19]

Here's reality...(fantasy example)



This statement sums you up perfectly

[Avante]

Avante, you're still missing my (and most others) point. Middle of the pack QB's don't win championships. And don't come back with the same arguments you've been using ad nauseam.

He's not elite, nor even close.

Yes, the Niners have a strong rushing attack and a strong defense...everyone knows

Yes, they were close to making the fucking super bowl last year, but they didn't...so stfu about it. This year isn't last year

Stop repeating the same shit over and over again...you're not adding anything to the discussion

Why don't you try something novel, like telling me, in your infinite wisdom, how the right side of that Niner o-line is going to do with a new guy (Boone) in there?

How about breaking Alex Smith down and telling us what he can do to improve?

How should the Niners juggle all these receivers in order to keep them happy and mentally in the game?

What players, outside of Willis/Rodgers/Smith, will be key on defense?

Who's your breakout player?

All i've seen you do around here is generalize and compare to teams from the 1800's..it's old and it's motherfucking tired. You don't know everything...not even close. Frankly, I think you're one of the least knowledgeable posters in this forum in regards to the contemporary game of football

Stop being a parrot, and start coming up with some new takes.

Here I sit able to tell you every single player in the NFL. Yep, all those guys who weren't even drafted and what school they played for. Totally able to break every single team down by position. Totally able to break every single game down from a gambling perspective, I'm talking trends and stats. You see it's all about particuler "spots" these teams are in during a season. How do they perform in that "spot" from an historical perspective.

In my arsenal...

The Great Quarterbacks
SI's History of the NFL
The Running Backs
The National Football League Enclyclopedia
Tons and tons of magazines from years ago to the present and this...

Marc Lawrence PLAYBOOK 2012 Football Handicapping Yearbook
Pro Football Weekly 2012 Preview
ESPN the Magazine 2012 Preview
Phil Steele's 2012 Pro Football Preview
Lindy's Sports Pro Football 2012 Preview

All those mags with the exception of ESPN the Magazine which I just got an hour ago in the mail have been read cover to cover.

There is nobody here or anywhere else you will ever encounter who knows more able the present, future and past of the pro game than myself. As you will see as the season goes on.

I realize you need to play the smartass in hiding because you've noticed I know my shit and obviously I have to be challanged. It's how things are done on these boards. I'm been dying to show off so thanks.

First off pull your head out of ass and look around you. Eli Manning was no elite QB when it beat an elite QB when he won his first SB, go ahead do your homework for a change and learn something. Are you trying to tell me Big Ben was an elite QB when he won his SB, once again do your homework something you obviously haven't done. Tell me what you find, yep, neither were elite QB's at that time so cool this idiotic....only elite QB's can win the big one....bullshit!!!!!!!

The Niners will will do all that can to work Moss and Jenkins over the top so Crabtree can eat up the inside. Manningham the twekker being the most versatile receiver. As we know Jenkins has been a disappointment but it is early. There will be plenty of work for everyone, keeping them in the game, are you serious? Vernon Davis will continue to be Vernon Davis. I think both Kyle Williams and Tedd Ginn have accepted their role as backups.

How can you even mention defense without mentioning NaVarro Bowman and Dashon Goldson, I'm guessing you were talking about Aldon Smith not Justin. As we know that front seven is the best in the league, Ray McDonald!!!!!!! Right here is the real strength of the 49ers. No team has a better front seven.

Look for rookie safetyTrendon Robinson MSU to make an impact in nickels. I don't see James keeping Kendall Hunter on the bench so he will be a disappointment. Also not sold on Jenkins...yet.

That Niner O line has youth and experience with 11 year vet Jonathan Goodwin and a bunch of second/third year players. Staley being the stud obviously. Moving Boone into that RG spot is ify, right now it's..? There will be no problem in the offensive line, plenty of quality depth.

Alex Smith, what can he do go from a middle of the packer to an elite QB? How about some stability to begin with, he's played in how many different systems? Obviously his biggest problem is that holds on to the ball to long, he need to unload a hell of a lot quicker. He also needs to do a better job of throwing receivers open. With another year in the same system and the addition of Moss, Manningham and maybe Jenkins should help. As we know he does protect the ball, only five INT's.

Dude, the key to winning in the NFL is winning on the road. The great teams can and the bad ones can't. It's also all about protecting the ball, turnovers will kill any team. I know I know you really believe....gotta have that elite QB because lately..... Dude,Smith beat Drew Brees. Eli Manning beat Brady twice in the biggie. Joe Flacco was one game away from a SB, what did Tim Tebow do in 2012? The best QB in the league Aaron Rodgers didn't even play in the Championship game, Alex Smith did.

If you are going to make the big mistake of going around..."you don't know so much"....this season it will be a very long season for you, trust me!

So who are those teams that win early in the season, the ones who show up in Sept? How about those who suck? Well since you're dying to know....

The best bet in the NFL in the month of Sept is....Denver Broncos since 1990. The worst bet....Arizona Cardinals

Taking you to school will be fun:hat

[Avante]

Give this a shot...

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/forumdisplay.php?f=75

[Avante]

And be specific, not just with names, but why those names are good/bad etc...

you strike me as a homer who can't bag on anybody if they play for your team...that makes you an awful fan, imo

Not a homer at all, so wrong as usual.

Up until last season Alex Smith sucked long and hard, all us Niners fans were complaining about him. He did play well enought last season to get a.....just maybe....hell no he's not elite I've never said he was. I've said...middle of the pack....because he is. If somebody sucks they suck who they play for means nothing. I'm not all that impressed with Crabtree, if they traded him, see ya!~~~~~~~~

[symple19]

Here I sit able to tell you every single player in the NFL. Yep, all those guys who weren't even drafted and what school they played for. Totally able to break every single team down by position. Totally able to break every single game down from a gambling perspective, I'm talking trends and stats. You see it's all about particuler "spots" these teams are in during a season. How do they perform in that "spot" from an historical perspective.

In my arsenal...

The Great Quarterbacks
SI's History of the NFL
The Running Backs
The National Football League Enclyclopedia
Tons and tons of magazines from years ago to the present and this...

Marc Lawrence PLAYBOOK 2012 Football Handicapping Yearbook
Pro Football Weekly 2012 Preview
ESPN the Magazine 2012 Preview
Phil Steele's 2012 Pro Football Preview
Lindy's Sports Pro Football 2012 Preview

All those mags with the exception of ESPN the Magazine which I just got an hour ago in the mail have been read cover to cover.

There is nobody here or anywhere else you will ever encounter who knows more able the present, future and past of the pro game than myself. As you will see as the season goes on.


This shit above is why people hate you. Just bring the knowledge. Don't lord it over everyone.


I realize you need to play the smartass in hiding because you've noticed I know my shit and obviously I have to be challanged. It's how things are done on these boards. I'm been dying to show off so thanks.

Good shit, bring what you got. Your book sized response is also an entry level education in the art of 'trolling'. I simply pushed a few buttons that were easily visible and you flew off the handle. Learn not to take things so personally and you'll do okay around here. Most posters don't take shit so seriously, but simply enjoy raking those who are naive through the coals. Be aware that you are a target and in many instances the best answer is no answer at all. :lol


First off pull your head out of ass and look around you. Eli Manning was no elite QB when it beat an elite QB when he won his first SB, go ahead do your homework for a change and learn something. Are you trying to tell me Big Ben was an elite QB when he won his SB, once again do your homework something you obviously haven't done. Tell me what you find, yep, neither were elite QB's at that time so cool this idiotic....only elite QB's can win the big one....bullshit!!!!!!!

Every single "elite" quarterback came into this league as an unproven commodity. There is no such thing as a great quarterback right out of the box. How many rookies QB's have won the super bowl? They have to grow into that role. Most, if not all of them, show flashes early on, but still require the right ingredients around them to fulfill their potential. So your preceding argument sucks. Those guys you mentioned are now elite, period. By (my)definition, no single QB in history was elite when they won their first SB.


The Niners will will do all that can to work Moss and Jenkins over the top so Crabtree can eat up the inside. Manningham the twekker being the most versatile receiver. As we know Jenkins has been a disappointment but it is early. There will be plenty of work for everyone, keeping them in the game, are you serious? Vernon Davis will continue to be Vernon Davis. I think both Kyle Williams and Tedd Ginn have accepted their role as backups.

How can you even mention defense without mentioning NaVarro Bowman and Dashon Goldson, I'm guessing you were talking about Aldon Smith not Justin. As we know that front seven is the best in the league, Ray McDonald!!!!!!! Right here is the real strength of the 49ers. No team has a better front seven.

Look for rookie safetyTrendon Robinson MSU to make an impact in nickels. I don't see James keeping Kendall Hunter on the bench so he will be a disappointment. Also not sold on Jenkins...yet.

That Niner O line has youth and experience with 11 year vet Jonathan Goodwin and a bunch of second/third year players. Staley being the stud obviously. Moving Boone into that RG spot is ify, right now it's..? There will be no problem in the offensive line, plenty of quality depth.

Alex Smith, what can he do go from a middle of the packer to an elite QB? How about some stability to begin with, he's played in how many different systems? Obviously his biggest problem is that holds on to the ball to long, he need to unload a hell of a lot quicker. He also needs to do a better job of throwing receivers open. With another year in the same system and the addition of Moss, Manningham and maybe Jenkins should help. As we know he does protect the ball, only five INT's.

Dude, the key to winning in the NFL is winning on the road. The great teams can and the bad ones can't. It's also all about protecting the ball, turnovers will kill any team. I know I know you really believe....gotta have that elite QB because lately..... Dude,Smith beat Drew Brees. Eli Manning beat Brady twice in the biggie. Joe Flacco was one game away from a SB, what did Tim Tebow do in 2012? The best QB in the league Aaron Rodgers didn't even play in the Championship game, Alex Smith did.

These are the takes that will get you places around here. Not the regurgitated, generalized, shit that you seem to fall back on when people hurt your feelings


If you are going to make the big mistake of going around..."you don't know so much"....this season it will be a very long season for you, trust me!

So who are those teams that win early in the season, the ones who show up in Sept? How about those who suck? Well since you're dying to know....

The best bet in the NFL in the month of Sept is....Denver Broncos since 1990. The worst bet....Arizona Cardinals

Taking you to school will be fun:hat

Again, what you don't understand is that at the end of the day nobody gives a fuck how much more you may know than they do. You probably do know more than me since I don't have a "fortress of solitude" where I can ignore my wife and read FB publications all day. I'm cool with that. It was simply a way for me to push your buttons and challenge you to become a less shitty poster. Your delivery and style (not substance) are what get you in trouble around here. Tone down your god complex, relax a bit, and stick to your obviously wide range of football knowledge and you'll be okay.

[symple19]

Not a homer at all, so wrong as usual.

Up until last season Alex Smith sucked long and hard, all us Niners fans were complaining about him. He did play well enought last season to get a.....just maybe....hell no he's not elite I've never said he was. I've said...middle of the pack....because he is. If somebody sucks they suck who they play for means nothing. I'm not all that impressed with Crabtree, if they traded him, see ya!~~~~~~~~

I agree about Crabtree, for now. However, I don't think you can fully judge him yet since he hasn't had a guy who can get him the ball on a consistent basis. Since his early holdout and some flashes of being a prima-donna, he's (for the most part) buckled down and bought into the team effort. His hands are like flypaper, even though he doesn't have the speed some other guys do, so I think he could still become a legit number one target. Larry Fitzgerald is the guy that comes to mind when I think about Crab. He's not there, nor really close, but I think he could definitely become that type of player if he works hard enough and gets the deliveries he needs

[symple19]

And fair enough on the Homer point. I'll concede that one

[Avante]

This shit above is why people hate you. Just bring the knowledge. Don't lord it over everyone.



Good shit, bring what you got. Your book sized response is also an entry level education in the art of 'trolling'. I simply pushed a few buttons that were easily visible and you flew off the handle. Learn not to take things so personally and you'll do okay around here. Most posters don't take shit so seriously, but simply enjoy raking those who are naive through the coals. Be aware that you are a target and in many instances the best answer is no answer at all. :lol



Every single "elite" quarterback came into this league as an unproven commodity. There is no such thing as a great quarterback right out of the box. How many rookies QB's have won the super bowl? They have to grow into that role. Most, if not all of them, show flashes early on, but still require the right ingredients around them to fulfill their potential. So your preceding argument sucks. Those guys you mentioned are now elite, period. By (my)definition, no single QB in history was elite when they won their first SB.



These are the takes that will get you places around here. Not the regurgitated, generalized, shit that you seem to fall back on when people hurt your feelings



Again, what you don't understand is that at the end of the day nobody gives a fuck how much more you may know than they do. You probably do know more than me since I don't have a "fortress of solitude" where I can ignore my wife and read FB publications all day. I'm cool with that. It was simply a way for me to push your buttons and challenge you to become a less shitty poster. Your delivery and style (not substance) are what get you in trouble around here. Tone down your god complex, relax a bit, and stick to your obviously wide range of football knowledge and you'll be okay.

Just a message board guy, do what I do have fun with it. Too many here are way too serious. I act the way I do because it's more exciting/interesting than being just another poster. What's really cool is that I tell the truth about everything, funnier than hell reading..."you don't have all that music"..knowing I do.."you don't know football"...when I obviously do. It's funny seeing the reaction after you've proven yourself. Look at you, you actually thought I was just some trivia/history freak, nope! I'm a gambler I have to know what's going on today.

[Avante]

paste.....

Every single "elite" quarterback came into this league as an unproven commodity. There is no such thing as a great quarterback right out of the box. How many rookies QB's have won the super bowl? They have to grow into that role. Most, if not all of them, show flashes early on, but still require the right ingredients around them to fulfill their potential. So your preceding argument sucks. Those guys you mentioned are now elite, period. By (my)definition, no single QB in history was elite when they won their first SB.

You really do need to bone up on SB history and QBing. Hopefully you don't think I think that rookie QB's are great. I hope you also know that you are totally wrong about most of that. Yes "elite" QBs have won the SB. I can't believe you said that.

The fact that Eli and Big Ben morped into elite QB's they were anything but that when they won their first. What came later means nothing. So you are wrong about all that. Yes with the ...right incredients...remark.

[Avante]

I agree about Crabtree, for now. However, I don't think you can fully judge him yet since he hasn't had a guy who can get him the ball on a consistent basis. Since his early holdout and some flashes of being a prima-donna, he's (for the most part) buckled down and bought into the team effort. His hands are like flypaper, even though he doesn't have the speed some other guys do, so I think he could still become a legit number one target. Larry Fitzgerald is the guy that comes to mind when I think about Crab. He's not there, nor really close, but I think he could definitely become that type of player if he works hard enough and gets the deliveries he needs

While Crabtree obviously has to potential to be a solid receiver he is a galaxy away and always will be from Larry Fitzgerald, two totally different levels.

[The Reckoning]

yeah i wouldnt consider eli, big ben or...trent dilfer elite QB's.


lol

[symple19]

yeah i wouldnt consider eli, big ben or...trent dilfer elite QB's.


lol

Big Ben and Eli both have 2sb's..so yeah, they're elite

Dilfer is definitely not elite. He's an anomaly

lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Dilfer isn't really an anomaly, he won a superbowl before the NFL became a pass happy league and also during a shitty transition period in the NFL.

[Pelicans78]

Since the rule changes started in 2004, here are the QBs who have won it.

Brady, BigBen, Peyton, Eli, BigBen, Brees, Rodgers, Eli.

[Avante]

yeah i wouldnt consider eli, big ben or...trent dilfer elite QB's.


lol

Both Eli and Big Ben were not among the best QB's in the league when they won their first SB. I'm not talking about what came later.

Dilfer was just there not to screw things up. That team was all about defense.

[Avante]

Getting back to the Niners.

They need to keep Anthony Dixon, cat runs hard. At this stage of the game I like him better than Jacobs, he needs to be our banger.

If LaMicahel James isn't hurt (ankle?) why isn't he getting more play? Get this cat out in space, a 10.4 guy while in a Texas HS.

Kendall Hunter has that explosion it's time to start to share the starting RB play. Gore is still productive but he doesn't have that ..zooom!!!

Our D/ST will once again be among the leagues elite. Nothing to change/fix/worry about.

Alex Smith..??? Well he has never had the depth/variety of talent at wide receiver he now has. I do think he will be more effective and needs that running game meaning third and short/play action, he is not and never will be able to win games because of himself (Mannings, Brady, Brees. Rodgers he is not). He has to have a system that buts him in situations to succeed. If the D knows what's coming he will struggle. He simply isn't that talented. Just saw another QB ranking (ESPN) there's Alex is at 17, yep, middle of te pack.

With all that said, the Niners will win the weakass West (Seattle coming on) they will once again need that homefield advantage. They cannot go into NY/GB and win a playoff game there. They can beat anyone in SF. They showed that by beating the SB to be Giants then taking them into OT last season....in....SF.

All in all the Niners are one of the top teams in the league .....right now.

[Avante]

Ok it's time for some reality, you do not act like a monkey with a hard on after..."one"...game. You guys are showing me how little you know about things by over reacting to everything you saw today. Little ones we have how many weeks left, how many months? So fucking chill and stop acting like a bunch of kids, ok?

I'm not talking about just today, I'm talking about where we left off and where we began. We (Niners) have beaten Drew Brees, took the SB to be champs into OT and should have won the game and have went into GB and beaten Aaron Rodgers. Anyone still not getting it?

Alex Smith is just fine.

[symple19]

Ok it's time for some reality, you do not act like a monkey with a hard on after..."one"...game. You guys are showing me how little you know about things by over reacting to everything you saw today. Little ones we have how many weeks left, how many months? So fucking chill and stop acting like a bunch of kids, ok?

I'm not talking about just today, I'm talking about where we left off and where we began. We (Niners) have beaten Drew Bress, took the SB to be champs into OT and should have won the game and have went into GB and beaten Aaron Rodgers. Anyone still not getting it?

Alex Smith is just fine.

Smith played well, no two ways around it. The score really shouldn't have been as close as it was, since Cobb's TD return only happened due to a block in the back.

Smith? B+ Could've got deep more often and once again held the ball for too long, too often

O-line B+ Looked good run-blocking and played better than I thought they would in the passing game

Run game A Gore and company did work

Receivers A Got open often and did really well supporting the run. Smith missed some opportunities that weren't their fault

Special Teams A+ Akers and Lee, nuff said. Lee does need to be careful not to out-kick his coverage

D-Line B+ A couple sacks and plenty of pressure. Didn't like it when Fangio went to 3 down lineman

LB's B+ Bowman is a beast. Brooks had a few big plays late. People stay away from Willis so thats why he doesn't get bigger numbers, imo (he was also curiously out quite often...wonder why)

Secondary A Incredibly solid throughout. Kept everything in front of them and made some big plays when Rodgers went deep

[Avante]

Smith played well, no two ways around it. The score really shouldn't have been as close as it was, since Cobb's TD return only happened due to a block in the back.

Smith? B+ Could've got deep more often and once again held the ball for too long, too often

O-line B+ Looked good run-blocking and played better than I thought they would in the passing game

Run game A Gore and company did work

Receivers A Got open often and did really well supporting the run. Smith missed some opportunities that weren't their fault

Special Teams A+ Akers and Lee, nuff said. Lee does need to be careful not to out-kick his coverage

D-Line B+ A couple sacks and plenty of pressure. Didn't like it when Fangio went to 3 down lineman

LB's B+ Bowman is a beast. Brooks had a few big plays late. People stay away from Willis so thats why he doesn't get bigger numbers, imo (he was also curiously out quite often...wonder why)

Secondary A Incredibly solid throughout. Kept everything in front of them and made some big plays when Rodgers went deep

Nothing to disagree with there. A solid "team" performance. Now we get the Lions Sunday night, a game we should win. We do have a road and road situation which is never good having us in Jetville in that second game. That might be tricky. All in all...13-3 is very realistic.

Bottom line is we ended up one game away last year, opened up beating one of the SB favs this year. What's not to like? We've beaten all the top NFC teams in the last couple seasons.

Good to see Kendall Hunter getting more action, cat has that burst.

[Avante]

Alex Smith is looking better than ever (so far), that defense is monstrous. As of right now the team to beat in the NFC.

Then there's the Atlanta Falcons if they win big tomorrow night....hmmm?

[tlongII]

Seahawks!

[Avante]

Seahawks!

Don't get too jacked up over the Seahawks. The Cowboys were in that dreaded back to back on the road role and it appears all that extra time off hurt not only them but the Giants.

Let's see how the Seahawks do on the road vs a good team.

[symple19]

Seahawks!

ummm....yeahhhhh...okay

[symple19]

Don't get too jacked up over the Seahawks. The Cowboys were in that dreaded back to back on the road role and it appears all that extra time off hurt not only them but the Giants.

Let's see how the Seahawks do on the road vs a good team.

okay Avante, your week for team grades. whaddya got?

[The Gemini Method]

Never seen Megatron get Mega-neutralized as much as he did vs. the 49ers...that running game will not improve for the Lions and that could mean a world of hurt for Stafford if there isn't any improvement at all since there is very little beyond no. 81...49ers are the best complete team after 2 weeks I think.

[vander]

Never seen Megatron get Mega-neutralized as much as he did vs. the 49ers...that running game will not improve for the Lions and that could mean a world of hurt for Stafford if there isn't any improvement at all since there is very little beyond no. 81...49ers are the best complete team after 2 weeks I think.

they got 2 RBs coming back this year.

they could have used LeShure, watching that game, looks like power running is how to beat the 9ers.

[The Gemini Method]

they got 2 RBs coming back this year.

they could have used LeShure, watching that game, looks like power running is how to beat the 9ers.

Or kicking to Kyle Williams...

[TIMMYtoZO]

Never seen Megatron get Mega-neutralized as much as he did vs. the 49ers...that running game will not improve for the Lions and that could mean a world of hurt for Stafford if there isn't any improvement at all since there is very little beyond no. 81...49ers are the best complete team after 2 weeks I think.


:lmao When Alex Smith is facing a REAL D, the niners won't be so complete. The NY Giants are working the kinks out and have had Amukamara out the past 2 games, but they are still the most complete team. Alex Smith is nothing more than a game managing QB who will fail like he did last January.

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao When Alex Smith is facing a REAL D, the niners won't be so complete. The NY Giants are working the kinks out and have had Amukamara out the past 2 games, but they are still the most complete team. Alex Smith is nothing more than a game managing QB who will fail like he did last January.


:lol lakerhaterade

:lol faggot

[Avante]

:lmao When Alex Smith is facing a REAL D, the niners won't be so complete. The NY Giants are working the kinks out and have had Amukamara out the past 2 games, but they are still the most complete team. Alex Smith is nothing more than a game managing QB who will fail like he did last January.

Lets see, in the last two seasons the Niners have beaten...

Steelers
Eagles
Saints
Packers
Lions-twice
Giants
Bengals

They beat the Steeles 20-3 on a Monday night, the Steelers have a defense.

What are you looking at?

[symple19]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3TCBiyh-eM

[Trainwreck2100]

as a 49er fan you should use an official team thread that wasn't started by a fag tbqh

[symple19]

eh, it doesn't bother me... I started one myself a while back but was too lazy to search for it

[Trainwreck2100]

you inly have 1824 posts in the NFL forum tbqh

[Avante]

Great to see Kapernik getting some schemes, just something else defensive cordinators have to spend time on. More Kendall Hunter is a good thing.

[symple19]

I'd rather see Kap come in and get some snaps under center if they have to bring him in. He learns nothing by running around like a jackass in a scheme where the other team KNOWS he's not gonna pass. I like his arm but it doesn't change the fact that he's a gimmicky spread guy with little experience putting his hands securely against another mans jock, making reads that involve more than two receivers, and taking 3 quick steps and then getting the ball out quickly... He needs to learn how to be a real NFL QB in real NFL games. Wildcat gimmick shit won't help that process

[Clipper Nation]

Sons, the Niners apparently forgot that if you're giving significant playing time to two quarterbacks, you really have NO quarterbacks, tbh... further proof that Alex Smith is a below-average system QB that can only be counted on in advantageous situations, tbh....

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

The Amish Rifle is going to rape your D next week

[symple19]

The Amish Rifle is going to rape your D next week

Wishful thinking, tbqfh

However, I will say that if the Bills can get a lead then there's definitely hope

Niners play incredibly well at home, though. so....naw, there's no hope :lol

[BUMP]

Best team in the NFL imho

[DPG21920]

Houston might have that. Houston is great on defense too, but has a better offense (by a bigger margin than SF's D has over HOU's D). Will be interesting to see how it goes. They are beast right now though, but I don't trust that offense of theirs.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yup, 49ers' Achilles Heel is definitely falling behind. Alex Smith looks like the Alex Smith we all know and love when SF falls behind.

[symple19]

I still don't trust the offense, not one goddamn bit. They're nearly unbeatable with a lead, but if they fall behind they're in big trouble.

Minnesota came out and punched them in the mouth and bullied them on both sides of the line of scrimmage which set a tone they just couldn't match.

That's a blueprint very few teams can follow (considering Minny caught the Niners half-asleep and full of themselves, imo), but right now I definitely see Houston and Baltimore as teams that can do exactly that...Plus, both of those squads have much better play at the quarterback position which we all know is paramount to a Super-Bowl winning team

I give the edge to Houston right now...basically what DPG said

[symple19]

Another interesting matchup for the Niners will be Arizona. That contest may well end up as a 6-3 type game

They also play New England, a team that could get up early and force Smith to throw (:lol Smith) which spells doom for Niner chances

Basically, with Smith at QB they just aren't a SB team. Greg Roman can't protect AS with his shrewd playcalling all year, nor can Alex rely on the defense to pitch shutouts so he can plod along throwing 8 yard seams to VD and 9 yd out routes to Trabtree

[Pelicans78]

Yup, 49ers' Achilles Heel is definitely falling behind. Alex Smith looks like the Alex Smith we all know and love when SF falls behind.

LOL Saints defense.....

[Pelicans78]

My top 5 so far is

1. Houston
2. Pats
3. Arizona/San Fran
5. Ravens

Houston is the most complete team right now. Do everything well. Their secondary is very underrated and overall they make it look easy.

[Avante]

I'd rather see Kap come in and get some snaps under center if they have to bring him in. He learns nothing by running around like a jackass in a scheme where the other team KNOWS he's not gonna pass. I like his arm but it doesn't change the fact that he's a gimmicky spread guy with little experience putting his hands securely against another mans jock, making reads that involve more than two receivers, and taking 3 quick steps and then getting the ball out quickly... He needs to learn how to be a real NFL QB in real NFL games. Wildcat gimmick shit won't help that process


Totally disagree.

We don't need another QB we need somebody who can bring something unique/different. He's not a running QB, he's a running back who chose to play QB, he could probably dust Gore in a 40. He adds another demension. Something teams will have to take into account. We don't need him to be just another QB.

[Avante]

Too bad we get a weak Bills team this week. I do prefer a challenge.

[Lincoln]

You think Russell Wilson will be a good QB. Your takes are shit, now shut the fuck up.

[Avante]

Yup, 49ers' Achilles Heel is definitely falling behind. Alex Smith looks like the Alex Smith we all know and love when SF falls behind.

Really reaching to find anything negative aren't you? Why? The Niners have been as impressive over the last two seasons as anyone. You really dom't see that?

[Avante]

You think Russell Wilson will be a good QB. Your takes are shit, now shut the fuck up.

You might wanna check on how some Hall of Fame QB's looked in their first season ya little fuck. Do I really need to school you on every fucking thing? Fuck you midget, learn about the game....ok?

[Lincoln]

Well so far after a quarter into the season, he DOESN'T look better than RG3 or Luck. He looks average at best. I thought you said he would have a better rookie year? Better hope he picks it up

[Avante]

My top 5 so far is

1. Houston
2. Pats
3. Arizona/San Fran
5. Ravens

Houston is the most complete team right now. Do everything well. Their secondary is very underrated and overall they make it look easy.

I gotta go...

1.Texans
2.Falcons
3.Niners
4.Pats
5.Cards
6.Ravens
7.Packers

then it get..???

[Avante]

Well so far after a quarter into the season, he DOESN'T look better than RG3 or Luck. He looks average at best. I thought you said he would have a better rookie year? Better hope he picks it up

I'm really not all that worried about it little fella. You worry about it for the both of us, ok?

[Lincoln]

Great argument!

[Lincoln]

Just another shit take in a long list of them. Better start thinking of excuses for Alex Smith and black QBs (sans RG3) next

[Avante]

Great argument!

How do you argue anything this early in the season? What a rookie, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Lincoln going raw on Avante, gonna get HPV, tbh..

[Avante]

Just another shit take in a long list of them. Better start thinking of excuses for Alex Smith and black QBs (sans RG3) next

Alex Smith is doing what he does, I have no reason to make excuses.

Michael Vick is 3-1, RGIII is getting rave reviews. Cam Newton came with a few feet of beating Matt Rayan. Russell Wilson has everyone saying good things. Excuses?

[Avante]

:lol Lincoln going raw on Avante, gonna get HPV, tbh..

I think it's more some dumbass kid who couldn't name 20 black QB's acting stupid....again.

[mojorizen7]

Seattle...check
Cardinals....check

Ya'll next :ihit










...in the dome of course....ya'll probably kick our ass in Candlestick. :lol

[symple19]

Seattle...check
Cardinals....check

Ya'll next :ihit

:lol










...in the dome of course....ya'll probably kick our ass in Candlestick. :lol

Lol, dome or not, you're not gonna bully the Niners like you did the Cards

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Too bad we get a weak Bills team this week. I do prefer a challenge.
If the Bills beat the 49ers I will make sure you never live it down.

[symple19]

If the Bills beat the 49ers I will make sure you never live it down.

:lol

That's fine

I would expect nothing less






Edit: Oh, you were fucking with Avante :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

If the Bills beat the 49ers I will make sure you never live it down.
as opposed to his other shit takes people never let him live down

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

as opposed to his other shit takes people never let him live down
I need Avante to call the niners a stone cold lock, tbh

[symple19]

I need Avante to call the niners a stone cold lock, tbh

Noooooooooooooooooo

[xellos88330]

Holy shit the 49'ers made the Bills look like a pee wee league team.

[symple19]

pretty much... lol Bills

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Both teams played hard.

[Avante]

I don't get too worked up over 5 weeks in a season.

The Niners tore the Bills a new asshole. The reason being the Niners are a quality team while the Bills are one of the weaklings in the league. They are....3-10 in their last 13. When was the last time they beat a good team on the road?

The Niners have three big games coming up, they will probably lose one of them. Then after their bye week probably knock out 5 wins, hard to beat the Pats in NE. So we are looking at 12-4, 13-3.

Very realistic to see them in that upper ecelon...Texans, Pats, Falcons, Giants, Niners, Packers.

No I'm not going to brag on Alex Smith, I could have moved the ball on that shitty defense.

[symple19]

Both teams played hard.

:lmao

Compare and contrast the Niners and Patriots...real talk

[Pelicans78]

Niners are legit. I think they're the best in the NFC right now, but I would take the Texans ahead of them. Maybe the Pats too at this point.

[Avante]

Niners are legit. I think they're the best in the NFC right now, but I would take the Texans ahead of them. Maybe the Pats too at this point.

They don't have a weakness. Great special teams, a lot of play makers, dominate defense. Great coaching. Total package.

[Pelicans78]

They don't have a weakness. Great special teams, a lot of play makers, dominate defense. Great coaching. Total package.

Its true. They have a Super Bowl team. Question is will Smith get them there. I still like Houston better because they are better offensively overall. Not quite good defensively as the Niners, but still very good.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

They can't win a SB with 1/13 at the helm.

[Pelicans78]

They can't win a SB with 1/13 at the helm.

That's true. I don't see him winning the big one. They have a Super Bowl team around him. Maybe the same case with Schaub as well, but I think he's better than Smith.

[Avante]

Its true. They have a Super Bowl team. Question is will Smith get them there. I still like Houston better because they are better offensively overall. Not quite good defensively as the Niners, but still very good.

Alex Smith is playing great, I don't see him being a negative at all. I think the Niners can beat any team in the league at home, they are that solid.

Way to early to be talking SB.

[Avante]

They can't win a SB with 1/13 at the helm.

Are you for real?

Dude, this is another season, ok?

Incredible!

[Pelicans78]

Alex Smith is playing great, I don't see him being a negative at all. I think the Niners can beat any team in the league at home, they are that solid.

Way to early to be talking SB.

He hasn't faced a legit defense yet either. Actually, they've only beaten average to bad teams at this point.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

That's true. I don't see him winning the big one. They have a Super Bowl team around him. Maybe the same case with Schaub as well, but I think he's better than Smith.
Schaub's problem has been health, not talent. He led the NFL in passing yds a couple years ago. He can actually win you a game (I.e. Denver game), rather than play game manager.

[symple19]

They don't have a weakness. Great special teams, a lot of play makers, dominate defense. Great coaching. Total package.

LOL, they just beat a junior high school defense. Get back to me when smith beats a legit defense....plus, he can't beat anyone from behind...except his boyfriend...amiright?!

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Are you for real?

Dude, this is another season, ok?

Incredible!
And the first time he faced adversity/deficit this year (Minnesota), he became the Alex Smith we all know and love

[symple19]

Bottom line, Smith is still not good enough for the playoffs...rest of the team? better than anyone else in the league. Quarterback? still in the mid teens...

[Pelicans78]

Schaub's problem has been health, not talent. He led the NFL in passing yds a couple years ago. He can actually win you a game (I.e. Denver game), rather than play game manager.

I agree. Schaub is easily better than Smith. And they have better skilled players as well.

[symple19]

I agree. Schaub is easily better than Smith. And they have better skilled players as well.

Schaub is better than Smith, no question, but I think skill players are a wash. Niners also have the better D

[Pelicans78]

Schaub is better than Smith, no question, but I think skill players are a wash. Niners also have the better D

I think the Texans have the edge at the skilled players. Niners have the edge on D, but Texans have a very good defense as well. Very underrated secondary.

[Avante]

LOL, they just beat a junior high school defense. Get back to me when smith beats a legit defense....plus, he can't beat anyone from behind...except his boyfriend...amiright?!

Do you really believe that?

Has the guy not been playing better than ever for awhile now? Hell what's the great Aaron Rodgers doing? The great Drew Brees..1-4. The guy is doing just fine.