Spurs Interested in Andray Blatche

[spurraider21]

Andray just said in an interview he's willing to play in the D-league. Clearly the spurs (or anybody) haven't made an official offer, which is what I was venting about. Even with a possible or not Patterson trade picking up a skilled big for the minimum is a no brainer

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Andray just said in an interview he's willing to play in the D-league. Clearly the spurs (or anybody) haven't made an official offer, which is what I was venting about. Even with a possible or not Patterson trade picking up a skilled big for the minimum is a no brainer

People "say" lots of things. Doesn't make them true.

[Russo21]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19829393/andray-blatche-needs-a-job-and-willing-to-consider-the-d-league

Crazy that nobody wants a 6'11 guy that talented. Just how big of a dickhead could he be? Anyone know the main reasons everyone hates this guy?

[Wild Cobra Kai]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19829393/andray-blatche-needs-a-job-and-willing-to-consider-the-d-league

Crazy that nobody wants a 6'11 guy that talented. Just how big of a dickhead could he be? Anyone know the main reasons everyone hates this guy?

His team, the ones who drafted him and backed and developed him for seven years, paid him $23M to go away, youth, talent and all. That's a pretty damning action. You pretty much want to handle a player like that with fire tongs and gloves, even at the minimum.

[Obstructed_View]

Andray just said in an interview he's willing to play in the D-league. Clearly the spurs (or anybody) haven't made an official offer, which is what I was venting about. Even with a possible or not Patterson trade picking up a skilled big for the minimum is a no brainer

Given his history, why would you be surprised that he said he's willing to play in the D league? I'm sure he knows that it makes him sound like he's willing to work hard, whether or not he actually is.

[Russo21]

His team, the ones who drafted him and backed and developed him for seven years, paid him $23M to go away, youth, talent and all. That's a pretty damning action. You pretty much want to handle a player like that with fire tongs and gloves, even at the minimum.

But i havent heard what he's done so bad as to why they paid him to go away and nobody has interest in signing. Is he a wanker on the court? A wanker off the court? A hog? Was he involved in the Arenas gun saga? Is he just a straight up asshole to his coaches and or teammates? Something else?

[racm]

But i havent heard what he's done so bad as to why they paid him to go away and nobody has interest in signing. Is he a wanker on the court? A wanker off the court? A hog? Was he involved in the Arenas gun saga? Is he just a straight up asshole to his coaches and or teammates? Something else?

Let's just say he's had issues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andray_Blatche#Personal_life).

[Russo21]

I see lol

[spurspokesman]

Given his history, why would you be surprised that he said he's willing to play in the D league? I'm sure he knows that it makes him sound like he's willing to work hard, whether or not he actually is.

I thought i was the only one that thought this. Makes him seem like he is maturing and humbling himself which in turn makes him more sellable to other teams.

[ernest787]

I'd love the spurs To take a flier on him, but I am hesitant to think this is anything other than him and his agent trying to spark some interest in him

[racm]

I thought i was the only one that thought this. Makes him seem like he is maturing and humbling himself which in turn makes him more sellable to other teams.

That reminds me of that time Batum's agent told him to say Portland sucks, Minnesota rules so they could twist Olshey's arm into overpaying for him.

It's all about making him marketable, because the alternative is seeing him out of the league.

[spurspokesman]

That reminds me of that time Batum's agent told him to say Portland sucks, Minnesota rules so they could twist Olshey's arm into overpaying for him.

It's all about making him marketable, because the alternative is seeing him out of the league.

Seems accurate. Hopefully he really wants to change.

[Mhak]

The Spurs are not desperate to sign Andre! They think they can still contend and win with the guys they have. Expect the Spurs to make a move when they are in panic mode in the middle of the season!

[Andthentherewas21]

The Spurs are not desperate to sign Andre! They think they can still contend and win with the guys they have. Expect the Spurs to make a move when they are in panic mode in the middle of the season!

Know when the best time to make a move is...?

Its before your fucked, not after.

If the Spurs find themselves in panic mode in the middle of the season, they aren't going to turn around and sign a guy that has a questionable history and maturity issues, who doesn't know the system, and who hasn't demonstrated himself to be physically ready to play (since he was receiving DNP for conditioning last season).

If the Spurs are going to sign him and utilize him in any capacity, Blatche would have to go through training camp and prove himself. Otherwise if the Spurs get into a panic mode situation mid-way through the season, they are more likely to turn to an over-the-hill veteran than they are Blatche.

[spurs10]

They probably would prefer everyone going through a full training camp. They have tried to move Blair and I guess have not found a reasonable deal. Doubt they'll add a sixth big before they make some room. I think Blatche would make a helluva good project and re-invent himself, hopefully, in San Antonio under the guidance of Pop and TD.

[Strategic]

Nothing wrong with a little wishful thinking. While were at it why don't we ask for Blatche and Oden?

[DPG21920]

There are a few reasons why the Spurs might be holding off:

1) There might not be any real interest.
2) The Spurs really like their team as is.
3) Signing him now might make Blairs value go down even more
4) There are other possible deals in the works they like better and are seeing those through.

I think 3 & 4 are the most likely - they probably want to get a good deal for Blair before considering bringing another on.

[Namundy]

His mom is the one reaching out for help, not Blatche himself. That's a pretty good sign that he's still irresponsible and can't control himself. Pass.

[spurs10]

There are a few reasons why the Spurs might be holding off:

1) There might not be any real interest.
2) The Spurs really like their team as is.
3) Signing him now might make Blairs value go down even more
4) There are other possible deals in the works they like better and are seeing those through.

I think 3 & 4 are the most likely - they probably want to get a good deal for Blair before considering bringing another on.
:toast

[Mhak]

There are a few reasons why the Spurs might be holding off:

1) There might not be any real interest.
2) The Spurs really like their team as is.
3) Signing him now might make Blairs value go down even more
4) There are other possible deals in the works they like better and are seeing those through.

I think 3 & 4 are the most likely - they probably want to get a good deal for Blair before considering bringing another on.

The only value of Blair is a 2nd round pick. If spurs are trying to trade him for 1st round good luck with that. Just let him walk next year.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

I understand Blair wants to be traded. However, Bonner NEEDS to be traded. Trade Bonner to Toronto for a 2nd rounder. Chip in for subway fare and be done with it.

Then go for Blatche. Play Blair to try and boost his value and see what happens.

[Hoops Czar]

I understand Blair wants to be traded. However, Bonner NEEDS to be traded. Trade Bonner to Toronto for a 2nd rounder. Chip in for subway fare and be done with it.

Then go for Blatche. Play Blair to try and boost his value and see what happens.

Toronto couldn't wait to get rid of that corpse the first time. And now you think Toronto will take him back? How clueless is that?

[Vic Petro]

His mom is the one reaching out for help, not Blatche himself. That's a pretty good sign that he's still irresponsible and can't control himself. Pass.

:rolleyes

[slick'81]

word is andray played thru a torn calf and bad shoulder last year which still isnt right.Along with his state of mind teams want to make sure hes healthy

[TDMVPDPOY]

isnt blatch only 26?? who cares if his immature, put him around the spurs culture and he change....

so far this clown hasnt got any offers yet...

[ace3g]

Today is his birthday, he turns 26.

[FkLA]

Remember last year when people (even the great timvpimp) thought the TJ Ford signing was a bad idea cause he was a selfish ballhog with attitude problems on other teams? He ended up coming in and playing really good team basketball until he was forced to retire. Same thing with Jack or even Neal who apparently had some character issues in Europe. The Spurs classiness always seems to infect incoming guys, even those with shady pasts tbh.

I say if hes willing to sign for the minimum then bring him in.

[jyra]

The thing with TJ is that he already proved himself to be a capable player who can work within a team before his stint in Indiana where his career really went south.
Blatche on the other hand is a compelete unkown in that regard because he has always played in a bad environment.

Don't get me wrong, I fully endorse getting him. A guy that athletic and skilled must not be passed up for some mediocre veteran who might be a better fit.

[TDMVPDPOY]

blatche might be a complete unknown, even if his a busts, we can still keep him on the bench and probably be useful to come in and give out 6 fouls

where else if we went after oden, we dont know what we get even if his productive, the question is the number of games he be able to play...

blatche is a sure low risk high reward.....

pop had no problem puttin blair, bonner, rose in the doghouse for stretches of games, i dont see how this would affect whether blatch is playin or not, at leasts we have another big on the roster then on someone elses roster

[8FOR!3]

Andray Blatche in tha post dawggg

Honestly though he might actually be a better signing than Greg Oden. Health hasn't been a huge issue like with Oden for Blatche as far as I can remember. He's got great size for a power forward and solid size for a center. He's really not undersized at either position at 6'11 260. And the year before last this guy was putting up 16 and 8. He hasn't hit his athletic prime yet so that's not even his upside.

http://www.andrayblatchefoundation.org/

^^Just found that out about him. That's not such a bad thing. As far as I know he's managed to stay out of trouble the past few years at least. You can't go back, you can only move forward as a person.

[mountainballer]

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kevin+Garnett+Andray+Blatche+Washington+Wizards+4O _cm0S2_9pl.jpg

KG: if you sign with the Heat, I'll rip your heart out and eat it!
AB: uhh. and if I sign with the Bulls?
KG: I will rip your lever out and eat it.
AB: Lakers?
KG: kidney.
AB: Thunder
KG: balls.
AB: Spurs?
KG: brain.
AB: deal!

btw. AB definitely displays the kind of size the Spurs currently lack at PF.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

isnt blatch only 26?? who cares if his immature, put him around the spurs culture and he change....

so far this clown hasnt got any offers yet...

I'd say that means 29 teams care that he's immature, since Washington cannot sign or acquire him until his original contract expires.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

Toronto couldn't wait to get rid of that corpse the first time. And now you think Toronto will take him back? How clueless is that?

Your lack of humor is duly noted. Secondly, as far as I remember, he was a fan favorite and small-time role player on a bad team. I fail to see the the devastation he did to their already bad franchise.

[Seventyniner]

KG: if you sign with the Heat, I'll rip your heart out and eat it!
AB: uhh. and if I sign with the Bulls?
KG: I will rip your lever out and eat it.
AB: Lakers?
KG: kidney.
AB: Thunder
KG: balls.
AB: Spurs?
KG: brain.
AB: deal!


:rollin

[wildbill2u]

Didn't Pop or the FO make a statement some weeks past that they were pretty happy with the team they ended up with from last year. After all, they did lead the WC at the end of the year.

Might not be able to do that this coming year, but they'll have a competitive team with the players they have--just not a real good shot at the NBA championship. We're probably gonna have to get used to being 'one of the top teams in the WC that could sneak in if injuries or something strikes the Thunder or Lakers."

Not a great team but a really good competitor. Welcome to the Washington Generals.

[Hoops Czar]

Your lack of humor is duly noted. Secondly, as far as I remember, he was a fan favorite and small-time role player on a bad team. I fail to see the the devastation he did to their already bad franchise.

Trying to find humor in a humorless post... How clueless is that. If I remember correctly, he was last man off the bench and played a meaningless role. And the few times he came into meaningful games, fans weren't cheering. He's about as much of a fan favorite in SA as he was in Toronto.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Trying to find humor in a humorless post... How clueless is that. If I remember correctly, he was last man off the bench and played a meaningless role. And the few times he came into meaningful games, fans weren't cheering. He's about as much of a fan favorite in SA as he was in Toronto.

You don't. He played as much in TOR as he does here, appearing in 160 games in 2 years and averaging ~20.5 for each of those 160 games. He was in their rotation and the fans did love him.

[racm]

You don't. He played as much in TOR as he does here, appearing in 160 games in 2 years and averaging ~20.5 for each of those 160 games. He was in their rotation and the fans did love him.

He started in the game Kobe scored 81, btw...

[Hoops Czar]

You don't. He played as much in TOR as he does here, appearing in 160 games in 2 years and averaging ~20.5 for each of those 160 games. He was in their rotation and the fans did love him.

And that's why fans should stay out of managements way and let them do their job. I know plenty of Toronto fans here in upstate New York and none of them wanted anything to do with bonner. So I guess you could say the love affair for Bonner is the same in SA as it was in toronto. Outside of this forum, there isn't as much hate as you'd like to think.

[Sandman52]

Give them the pick. It will be like #28 anyway.

The Spurs would be getting rid of the 3 weak links on the roster while adding a capable big man who can play next to Duncan, No - brainer.

Patterson is 23 & 6'9 235. His rebounds/game were 3.8 & 4.5 the past two seasons.
Blair is one month younger & 6'7 265. His rebounds/game were 6.4, 7.0, & 5.5 the past three seasons.

So, you're gaining 2", 30 lbs less, & (I'd assume) two healthy ACLs. In essence, it's only a good deal for the Spurs if it's one-for-one.

[Man In Black]

Franchise Total Salary MLE/Room BAE
San Antonio Spurs $69,157,865 $500,000 $557,000

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-pm-spending-power-dwindling/

[TrueSpursFan]

Franchise Total Salary MLE/Room BAE
San Antonio Spurs $69,157,865 $500,000 $557,000

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-pm-spending-power-dwindling/

"Technically the San Antonio Spurs have $500k of their MLE left and $557k of their BAE but each is only enough to add on at slightly above the rookie minimum of $474k."

[Bruno]

It sounds like Miami will go after a center (Harrellson or Birdman) instead of Blatche. It's a logical move for them given their roster.

I don't know if Spurs are still after him but if they are, the door can't be more wide open.

[ace3g]

It sounds like Miami will go after a center (Harrellson or Birdman) instead of Blatche. It's a logical move for them given their roster.

I don't know if Spurs are still after him but if they are, the door can't be more wide open.

Yeah hoping the same thing.

[8FOR!3]

I honestly think he's the last legit shot we have at a championship.

I firmly believe Tony Parker, Patty Mills, Manu Ginobili, Danny Green, Nando de Colo, Kawhi Leonard, Stephen Jackson, Boris Diaw, Andray Blatche, Tim Duncan, Tiago Splitter, and whoever the 12th guy would be (Gary Neal or 5th big, Blair or Bonner) is the best 12 man team we're capable of producing for the rest of the Parker/Ginobili/Duncan era.

[szkorhetz]

I honestly think he's the last legit shot we have at a championship.

I firmly believe Tony Parker, Patty Mills, Manu Ginobili, Danny Green, Nando de Colo, Kawhi Leonard, Stephen Jackson, Boris Diaw, Andray Blatche, Tim Duncan, Tiago Splitter, and whoever the 12th guy would be (Gary Neal or 5th big, Blair or Bonner) is the best 12 man team we're capable of producing for the rest of the Parker/Ginobili/Duncan era.
Totally agreed!

[spurs10]

It's been mighty quiet.....it's probably still depending on moving Blair.

[timtonymanu]

It's been mighty quiet.....it's probably still depending on moving Blair.

Or the rumored Patterson trade that can't take place until the 27th.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

It's been mighty quiet.....it's probably still depending on moving Blair.

It's quiet because he's a loose cannon. There are 28 other teams besides the Spurs sitting on the sidelines.

[therealtruth]

I honestly think he's the last legit shot we have at a championship.

I firmly believe Tony Parker, Patty Mills, Manu Ginobili, Danny Green, Nando de Colo, Kawhi Leonard, Stephen Jackson, Boris Diaw, Andray Blatche, Tim Duncan, Tiago Splitter, and whoever the 12th guy would be (Gary Neal or 5th big, Blair or Bonner) is the best 12 man team we're capable of producing for the rest of the Parker/Ginobili/Duncan era.

That's what's so frustrating about the FO's inaction at times. We have a good team. If we just incrementally improve by upgrading the weakest links it makes a huge difference.

[lakerhaterade]

Or the rumored Patterson trade that can't take place until the 27th.

Ehh, pipe dream for spursfan IMHO

[Wild Cobra Kai]

People need to be prepared to be disappointed. I'd say the realistic chance of SA signing Blatche is in the 5-10% range.

[UnWantedTheory]

People need to be prepared to be disappointed. I'd say the realistic chance of SA signing Blatche is in the 5-10% range.
You just gave me some hope if the odds are that high broski.

[8FOR!3]

People need to be prepared to be disappointed. I'd say the realistic chance of SA signing Blatche is in the 5-10% range.

So you're saying there's a chance?

[stxspurs]

So you're saying there's a chance?

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTb7tYEMcMXSt1Nxqt3KZkoalZ3Plv4i YTV2WVOQvW51WlPsuOStA

[ace3g]

It would be funny if the Spurs sign Blatche and/or do the Patterson trade during the ST downtime.

[NickiRasgo]

It would be funny if the Spurs sign Blatche and/or do the Patterson trade during the ST downtime.

I was thinking that too. :lol

[Wild Cobra Kai]

It would be funny if the Spurs sign Blatche and/or do the Patterson trade during the ST downtime.

:lol:rollin

[spurspokesman]

It would be funny if the Spurs sign Blatche and/or do the Patterson trade during the ST downtime.

No that would be great. :ihit

[Wild Cobra Kai]

No that would be great. :ihit

The point: you missed it.

[spurspokesman]

The point: you missed it.

By design lol. I get your drift.

[Tuddy]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1312033-how-the-san-antonio-spurs-and-andre-blatche-can-save-each-other

[8FOR!3]

I've seen worse articles from bleacher report.

[Hooks]

If a Blatche thread can get 13 pages this place is going to go apeshit in 2013.

[Dex]

Just a pipe dream. Spurs don't get free agents. He'll go to like....fucking Milwaukee or something.

[8FOR!3]

I don't know how much merit 'Real Time NBA (NBA_365)' has on Twitter, but as of two hours ago they've tweeted "A source has told NBA_365 that the Spurs are "seriously considering" signing Andray Blatche to a contract."

I'm looking at their other tweets right now and nothing they're saying seems to be far of course, so maybe this is legit.

https://twitter.com/NBA_365

Time to speculate. I can only hope that this is true.

[DesignatedT]

Don't see why they wouldn't. What's the worst that can happen? If it doesn't work out then just release his ass.

Only thing I can think of is the Spurs are trying to work out another deal before they end up signing Blatche.

[lefty]

I don't know how much merit 'Real Time NBA (NBA_365)' has on Twitter, but as of two hours ago they've tweeted "A source has told NBA_365 that the Spurs are "seriously considering" signing Andray Blatche to a contract."

I'm looking at their other tweets right now and nothing they're saying seems to be far of course, so maybe this is legit.

https://twitter.com/NBA_365

Time to speculate. I can only hope that this is true.
http://brproductions.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/fap.gif

[bklynspursfan]

Dag I hope it's true....

[PDXSpursFan]

The NBA_365 "source" is ST, specifically this thread :bang

[bklynspursfan]

The NBA_365 "source" is ST, specifically this thread :bang

No.... Don't say that :madrun

[Bruno]

Let's hope it's true. I'm on the Blatche bandwagon since he was amnestied.

A reason to be optimistic that it isn't a made up rumor is that it's not a tweeter account with 10 rumors made by day.

[TD 21]

Let's hope it's true. I'm on the Blatche bandwagon since he was amnestied.

A reason to be optimistic that it isn't a made up rumor is that it's not a tweeter account with 10 rumors made by day.

It probably is. And if it is, the holdup was probably either because they tried to trade for Patterson (or someone else) first, but have come to the conclusion that they will not be able to make it happen at a price they're comfortable with or because they wanted to do an extensive background check on Blatche and monitor his progress throughout the summer or a combination of both.

For those who have gotten your hopes up over this, I hate to say it, but they more than likely view him as a reclamation project as opposed to a plug-and-play option. Translation: He'll start off as the fifth big and will likely retain that role until throughout the season. If all goes according to plan, he takes Bonner's spot a season from now and they cut Bonner loose. Given all that, it wouldn't surprise me if the deal is for two years, with a team option for the second.

[FlAVaK]

A two year deal is unlikely, because of the overall salary situation Bruno explained here (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202685).

Blatche is a seven year veteran, so his minimum salary should be around 1.15 million, according to this site (http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtml), which shows the numbers for 2010/11. (I couldn`t find the numbers for 2012, but I guess they are even higher...)

So, signing Blatche to a deal longer than one season probably would put the Spurs over the luxury tax treshold!

[Bruno]

A two year deal is unlikely, because of the overall salary situation Bruno explained here (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202685).

Blatche is a seven year veteran, so his minimum salary should be around 1.15 million, according to this site (http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtml), which shows the numbers for 2010/11. (I couldn`t find the numbers for 2012, but I guess they are even higher...)

So, signing Blatche to a deal longer than one season probably would put the Spurs over the luxury tax treshold!

Blatche salary would be $1,146,337: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

If Spurs sign him to a two years contract, they would be about $3K below the tax but they could end above the tax because players like Neal and Bonner have performance bonuses that will raise Spurs team salary if requirements are met.

However, I think Spurs wish is a 2 years contract with a team option on the second year. The issue with it is that Blatche might not want that kind of contract. The luxury tax shouldn't be an issue since Spurs next move after signing Blatche would be to trade Blair and maybe Neal too.

A PF/C rotation of Duncan, Diaw, Splitter and Blatche should be fine if Diaw and Blatche are in decent shape. Bonner would be a nice insurance at the end of the bench for the regular season.

[ace3g]

Darren Wolfson ‏@DarrenWolfson

I don't know if #Twolves scout Milton Barnes kept a close eye on FA Andray Blatche. But he was also at that game yesterday w/ Whiteside.

--

This took place in Houston, I posted about the Whiteside workout the other day:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6091406&postcount=622

[SenorSpur]

It probably is. And if it is, the holdup was probably either because they tried to trade for Patterson (or someone else) first, but have come to the conclusion that they will not be able to make it happen at a price they're comfortable with or because they wanted to do an extensive background check on Blatche and monitor his progress throughout the summer or a combination of both.

For those who have gotten your hopes up over this, I hate to say it, but they more than likely view him as a reclamation project as opposed to a plug-and-play option. Translation: He'll start off as the fifth big and will likely retain that role until throughout the season. If all goes according to plan, he takes Bonner's spot a season from now and they cut Bonner loose. Given all that, it wouldn't surprise me if the deal is for two years, with a team option for the second.

Colour me greedy, but I hope they get both players, while shipping out Blair and Bonner in the process.

[lefty]

Colour me greedy, but I hope they get both players, while shipping out Blair and Bonner in the process.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1105878/popv.gif

[NickiRasgo]

Spurs will sign him during the ST Downtime just like what ace3g also posted.

[ace3g]

Spurs will sign him during the ST Downtime just like what ace3g also posted.

Timvp announced today that is going to be delayed, so I hope the Spurs do something sooner rather than later.

[NickiRasgo]

Timvp announced today that is going to be delayed, so I hope the Spurs do something sooner rather than later.

So the Spurs will delay the signing too. Just kidding. Yeah hopefully Spurs really do something, they should sign this guy.

[Russo21]

Real Time NBA ‏@NBA_365 (https://twitter.com/NBA_365) A source has told NBA_365 that the Spurs are "seriously considering" signing Andray Blatche to a contract.



Saw that on my twitter today..

[8FOR!3]

Already ahead of ya buddy.

[Russo21]

Let's hope we sign him. I'll be more excited about the spurs chances this season with him here then i would with a combo of Bonner/Blair as the bigs next to timmeh. There definately wouldnt be that glaring gaping hole in the bigman rotation we've had the last few years.

Some may say he is high risk, but he could definately be high reward. Should be a no brainer signing if we want to contend.

He'd be probably the biggest, most potentially talented big Tim has had to mentor in his career. Oberto, Elson, Bonner, Blair, Rasho, Nazr, Thomas, the list of average bigs goes on and on.

Career highs of 17 and 8 and Stuck in the shithole of the NBA that is the washington wizards. A change of scenery to the most professional team in the NBA would be a godsend to him. The Spurs need him, he needs the spurs. And i think we fans need him here to give us a bit of hope and excitement in the drive for this mythical 5th title. It'd be a great story for the team to watch a dickhead jailbird type person blossom into a good citizen and star for san antonio and help us win.

Sign this fucker already.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I wonder which ST user registered that twitter account to mess with people?

[therealtruth]

Let's hope we sign him. I'll be more excited about the spurs chances this season with him here then i would with a combo of Bonner/Blair as the bigs next to timmeh. There definately wouldnt be that glaring gaping hole in the bigman rotation we've had the last few years.

Some may say he is high risk, but he could definately be high reward. Should be a no brainer signing if we want to contend.

He'd be probably the biggest, most potentially talented big Tim has had to mentor in his career. Oberto, Elson, Bonner, Blair, Rasho, Nazr, Thomas, the list of average bigs goes on and on.

Career highs of 17 and 8 and Stuck in the shithole of the NBA that is the washington wizards. A change of scenery to the most professional team in the NBA would be a godsend to him. The Spurs need him, he needs the spurs. And i think we fans need him here to give us a bit of hope and excitement in the drive for this mythical 5th title. It'd be a great story for the team to watch a dickhead jailbird type person blossom into a good citizen and star for san antonio and help us win.

Sign this fucker already.

I agree. The first step in getting better is getting Blair and Bonner out of a rotation. If we can even get better bigs then we will be in an even better position. I like our backcourt and wings. If we combine that with an upgraded frontcourt we should be much better.

[SpurPadre]

Sorry if this has been posted already:

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Wolves_expected_to_make_a_few_more_moves_before_tr aining_camp_opens082812

Looks like the T-Wolves are looking into getting Blatche now. Damn...

[Dex]

Now the question becomes....how much can the T-Wolves throw at him?

Unless there is a large amount of money to fill the gap, I'd say playing for the Spurs (fresh out of the WCF) looks much more appealing than playing for the Wolves (still fighting to get out of the Western Conference cellar)

I'm still more worried about Miami making a serious bid, tbh.

[bklynspursfan]

Now the question becomes....how much can the T-Wolves throw at him?

Unless there is a large amount of money to fill the gap, I'd say playing for the Spurs (fresh out of the WCF) looks much more appealing than playing for the Wolves (still fighting to get out of the Western Conference cellar)

I'm still more worried about Miami making a serious bid, tbh.

Same here, but Blatche also wants playing time I'm sure. Now with Pop who knows if he'll get it, but I'd have to think we'd give him more time than Miami. Especially since they play small ball now.

Hopefully they just nab Chris Anderson or Sean Williams who Stein reported they had interest in since he was just waived.

[SpurNation]

If Blatche were a wise person he would sign with the Spurs. But what evidence in his past has shown him to be wise?

And...it doesn't matter the amount over the min. limit he makes...that amount goes back to Washington.

So...playing time will (should) be the essential concern for Blatche. What other team would use him the most?

[gambit1990]

c'mon spurs...

[Dex]

If Blatche were a wise person he would sign with the Spurs. But what evidence in his past has shown him to be wise?

And...it doesn't matter the amount over the min. limit he makes...that amount goes back to Washington.

So...playing time will (should) be the essential concern for Blatche. What other team would use him the most?

Considering he should (*keyword*) easily become the 1st big off the bench, if not in the starting lineup, I would think the opportunity is there for him in San Antonio. He just would have to earn it, and though he's saying a lot of the right things with his whole "just want to get back in the league" comment, he is not a guy whose career has exemplified effort and work ethic.

But still....if your competition is the oft-misused Splitter, the undersized Great Disappearing Blair, and Matt fucking Bonner...you should feel pretty good about your chances of cracking the rotation. If he's not willing to work hard enough to beat out those guys, then we probably don't even want him, big body be damned.

[Hoops Czar]

Sorry if this has been posted already:

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Wolves_expected_to_make_a_few_more_moves_before_tr aining_camp_opens082812

Looks like the T-Wolves are looking into getting Blatche now. Damn...

Spurs put up a valient effort. But if the T-wolves are serious, it's game, set, match.

[TD 21]

Now the question becomes....how much can the T-Wolves throw at him?

Unless there is a large amount of money to fill the gap, I'd say playing for the Spurs (fresh out of the WCF) looks much more appealing than playing for the Wolves (still fighting to get out of the Western Conference cellar)

I'm still more worried about Miami making a serious bid, tbh.

They're reportedly interested in Blatche, Tolliver and Whiteside, but they want them to take the minimum. Opportunity wise, there's a greater chance at immediate minutes with them . . . at center, that is. Really, that's probably the only way he doesn't pick the Spurs. It's obviously an ideal situation for him, so only them doing the "we're not guaranteeing you anything" routine and the Wolves all but guaranteeing him 15-20 mpg backing up Pekovic, could cost them him.

As for the Heat, if they were seriously interested, I'm sure we'd have heard more by now. Every time them, the Lakers and the other hype machines are even the slightest bit interested in someone, it's reported and discussed ad nauseam (no matter how insignificant the player it is). They seem to be more interested in a rim protector, hence the reports about Milicic, Andersen and Williams.

[Leetonidas]

Considering the Wolves have Love and Pekovic eating up most of the big minutes, Blatche isn't a lock to get tons of time in Minnesota. He would probably not start over Diaw though and I'm sure that's probably an issue with him

[Dex]

Considering the Wolves have Love and Pekovic eating up most of the big minutes, Blatche isn't a lock to get tons of time in Minnesota. He would probably not start over Diaw though and I'm sure that's probably an issue with him

Ohhh yeahhh....I forgot about dat guy.

[Leetonidas]

Isn't Williams a 4 also?

[therealtruth]

Same here, but Blatche also wants playing time I'm sure. Now with Pop who knows if he'll get it, but I'd have to think we'd give him more time than Miami. Especially since they play small ball now.

Hopefully they just nab Chris Anderson or Sean Williams who Stein reported they had interest in since he was just waived.

He can get plenty of minutes here if he plays hard. He would easily be our most athletic big.

[therealtruth]

They're reportedly interested in Blatche, Tolliver and Whiteside, but they want them to take the minimum. Opportunity wise, there's a greater chance at immediate minutes with them . . . at center, that is. Really, that's probably the only way he doesn't pick the Spurs. It's obviously an ideal situation for him, so only them doing the "we're not guaranteeing you anything" routine and the Wolves all but guaranteeing him 15-20 mpg backing up Pekovic, could cost them him.

As for the Heat, if they were seriously interested, I'm sure we'd have heard more by now. Every time them, the Lakers and the other hype machines are even the slightest bit interested in someone, it's reported and discussed ad nauseam (no matter how insignificant the player it is). They seem to be more interested in a rim protector, hence the reports about Milicic, Andersen and Williams.

You think he wouldn't play over Pekovic for the Wolves? He could easily steal the starting C spot.

[Bruno]

It's far from sure that Minny has even a remote interest for Blatche.

The story is that there were a wolves scout at a pickup game with Whiteside and Blatche in Houston. This scout could have very well be at that game only for Whiteside. He could have been there too to look at a third player of this pickup game or he wasn't even there to look at a specific player.

[Buddy Holly]

How did anyone get the wolves are going after Blatche from that article? It just mentioned he was there. The article clearly states who the wolves are interested in, Whiteside.

I swear some people's reading comprehension is just terrible.

[cd98]

If Blatche has a maturity problem, doesn't it make sense that he goes to a young and experienced Minnesota team so the can mature?

[bklynspursfan]

He can get plenty of minutes here if he plays hard. He would easily be our most athletic big.

I would hope so. But with the way Pop played Splitter at times when we needed his health, it worries me lol.

But I think if we got him he should get plenty of minutes. Likely off the bench as Pop probably likes the starting 5 chemistry. But dam that 2nd unit would look dam good

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Now the question becomes....how much can the T-Wolves throw at him?

Unless there is a large amount of money to fill the gap, I'd say playing for the Spurs (fresh out of the WCF) looks much more appealing than playing for the Wolves (still fighting to get out of the Western Conference cellar)

I'm still more worried about Miami making a serious bid, tbh.

No one is paying him more than minimum. It would be stupid. He has to forfeit the excess to the Wiz anyway, until they are repaid what they are paying him, or the three years expires.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Isn't Williams a fucking pycho also?

fify

[TD 21]

How did anyone get the wolves are going after Blatche from that article? It just mentioned he was there. The article clearly states who the wolves are interested in, Whiteside.

I swear some people's reading comprehension is just terrible.

To be honest, I didn't even click the link. I skimmed the last two pages of this thread, saw the posts of SpurPadre, Dex and Hoops Czar and just assumed they were. I'm not surprised they're probably not though, as he makes no sense whatsoever for them (although, given that, it would be more Kahn like to be interested). But even if they are, I wouldn't be worried. With the Heat clearly more interested in rim protectors, if the Spurs want him, I think he's theirs for the taking.

[Dex]

Somebody should change this thread title to SpursTalk Interested in Andray Blatche

[ace3g]

From the tweets I'm reading, seems that teams are having FA workouts, so maybe the Spurs are scouting those before making a decision on Blatche.

[Dex]

How did anyone get the wolves are going after Blatche from that article? It just mentioned he was there. The article clearly states who the wolves are interested in, Whiteside.

I swear some people's reading comprehension is just terrible.

You're welcome.

[SpurNation]

Considering he should (*keyword*)...
Yeah. I agree. There shouldn't be anything being a former starter in this league that should prevent him from being (in the least) first off the bench on the Spurs.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Somebody should change this thread title to SpursTalk Interested in Andray Blatche

[SpurNation]

How did anyone get the wolves are going after Blatche from that article? It just mentioned he was there.

That's interesting. Because why would he waste his time "being there" if there was no interest?

[Wild Cobra Kai]

That's interesting. Because why would he waste his time "being there" if there was no interest?

It was in Houston. That's where Blatche is working out with John Lucas. There were several OTHER players in the workout.

[SpurPadre]

How did anyone get the wolves are going after Blatche from that article? It just mentioned he was there. The article clearly states who the wolves are interested in, Whiteside.

I swear some people's reading comprehension is just terrible.


I swear every post a relative newbie has to put out always has to get somebody talking shit about it afterwards, no matter how well-intended the newbie was. It's not about terrible reading comprehension it's about speculation. Didn't mean to cause false-alarms, though.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I swear every post a relative newbie has to put out always has to get somebody talking shit about it afterwards, no matter how well-intended the newbie was. It's not about terrible reading comprehension it's about speculation. Didn't mean to cause false-alarms, though.

:lol No more speculation or false alarm than this entire thread, tbh.

[Strategic]

I just heard it's a done deal, the Spurs will field a team this season! :lmao

[Buddy Holly]

I swear every post a relative newbie has to put out always has to get somebody talking shit about it afterwards, no matter how well-intended the newbie was. It's not about terrible reading comprehension it's about speculation. Didn't mean to cause false-alarms, though.

It is terrible reading comprehension if you take away from that article that the Wolves are going after Blatche. It has nothing to do with being a newbie or a vet. If a vet poster posts that, I'm saying the same thing.

[TE]

Ahh...there has been mere speculation surrounding this potential signing for the better part of the summer..at this point, I really don't give a shit tbh. All I know is Matt Bonner and Dejuan Blair are still on the roster...I'm still pretty pissed and alarmed at the FO's inability to get rid of that deadweight.

[Sean Cagney]

Ahh...there has been mere speculation surrounding this potential signing for the better part of the summer..at this point, I really don't give a shit tbh. All I know is Matt Bonner and Dejuan Blair are still on the roster....

:depressed:bang:bang

[therealtruth]

People shouldn't forget that Blair and Bonner are 4/5 bigs with Diaw resigned.

[Fireball]

Yeah, but we need another big to make Bonner the 5th big providing us with good floor spacing in the regular season and to get rid of Blair ...

[flipspursfan]

IF the Spurs are able to obtain Blatche, I at the very least hope Pop works his magic and turns the guy into an effective and reliable threat. He did show flashes of potential back in Washington.

[Maddog]

IF the Spurs are able to obtain Blatche, I at the very least hope Pop works his magic and turns the guy into an effective and reliable threat. He did show flashes of potential back in Washington.

He has, however he is no longer a 20 or 21 year old wunderkind, but now 26.
he's passing that time window when he potentially could get it together.
I'm all for the SPurs giving him a try, but have seen nothing that makes me think they will or even if they did it would be successful

[Drom John]

ESPN has ranked Blatche at #254, quality of a 9th man.

Cory Joseph #458, a 16th man.
Patty Mills #309, an 11th man.

Blair, Bonner, De Colo, Diaw, Duncan, Ginobili, Green, Leonard, Neal, Parker and Splitter are either higher than #241, 8th men or higher, or lower than #500.

[Seventyniner]

ESPN has ranked Blatche at #254, quality of a 9th man.

Cory Joseph #458, a 16th man.
Patty Mills #309, an 11th man.

Blair, Bonner, De Colo, Diaw, Duncan, Ginobili, Green, Leonard, Neal, Parker and Splitter are either higher than #241, 8th men or higher, or lower than #500.

De Colo has to be below #500. The rest should be top 240. My predictions (WAGs):

Parker: 16
Duncan: 24
Ginobili: 31
Leonard: 79
Diaw: 109
Splitter: 133
Green: 158
Neal: 218
Blair: 221
Bonner: 237

[ace3g]

Nets interested in Andray Blatche

The Nets’ ongoing search for frontcourt depth has led them to Houston, and a meeting with Andray Blatche, who was cut this summer by the Washington Wizards. He was set to meet with Nets Coach Avery Johnson sometime this weekend, according to two people with knowledge of the meeting. It was not clear whether the Nets were prepared to make Blatche an immediate offer or were simply exploring their options.

http://www.sportando.net/eng/usa/nba/43204/nets-interested-in-andray-blatche.html

[gambit1990]

Even if the Brooklyn Nets take a flyer on Andre Blatche, they won't be offering the free agent big man a guaranteed contract, league sources told ESPN NewYork.com.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8325893/sources-andray-blatche-brooklyn-nets-meet

[Budkin]

Let him sign somewhere else so we can stop pretending we're making anymore moves. Shit is getting old.

[Strategic]

If the man's even the least bit interested in moving to New York then he's probably not over his immaturity issues. I would like to see the Spurs offer him a camp invite, but I'm not holding my breath. This is the biggest non story of the summer for Spurs fans. Is there anything real to talk about?

[slick'81]

If the man's even the least bit interested in moving to New York then he's probably not over his immaturity issues. I would like to see the Spurs offer him a camp invite, but I'm not holding my breath. This is the biggest non story of the summer for Spurs fans. Is there anything real to talk about?


hard to tell all we know is aj is willing to talk to him. hasnt been much on the spurs front other than bonner/blair r still here .I mean hes in Houston im sure pop an co. wouldnt have a hard time getting a hold of him.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

15 pages about Andray Blatche?

:rollin

[G-Dawgg]

^ 15 pages about Andray Blatche and we aren't even going to sign him..... lol

[Russo21]

I think it's time to lock this fucken thread already

[therealtruth]

This is real no brainer. If he's willing to sign we just cut him if it doesn't work out.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

This is real no brainer. If he's willing to sign we just cut him if it doesn't work out.

He's apparently not at the point yet where he's willing to take an unguaranteed deal yet, according to NJ, and I doubt the Spurs want to throw away $1M+ in guaranteed contract money if he bombs out in training camp or something.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

This is real no brainer. If he's willing to sign we just cut him if it doesn't work out.

There are also 28 other teams that don't quite think it's a no brainer yet.

[Andthentherewas21]

There are also 28 other teams that don't quite think it's a no brainer yet.

There are also 28 teams that don't have a frontcourt that consists of a soft 6'10 3-pt shooting PF and a 6'7 280 pound Center that has no range.

There are teams like Chicago that can't offer Blatche a contract due to the exceptions they used which created a hard cap for them. There are also teams like the Rockets, Raptors, and Magic that are loaded at the PF position and have no need to get Blatche. Add in the tanking teams that aren't going to be looking to get any better, and therefore wouldn't take any chance on him, and its not quite 28 teams anymore.

The real question is, of the 16 playoff teams, which would need him to compete or at least improve? Even that number would be reduced because the Heat, OKC, and Lakers are fairly well set, add to that the Jazz, and Memphis (assuming Arthur comes back 100%).

Long story short, the Spurs haven't let the other 29 teams in the league dictate what they've done so far, doubt they are starting with Blatche. And its not as if this FO hasn't simply been satisfied with subpar complimentary pieces to its starting frontcourt before.

[Vic Petro]

If the man's even the least bit interested in moving to New York then he's probably not over his immaturity issues.

Considering a job in New York City does not constitute immaturity. Not sure what one has to do with the other.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

There are also 28 teams that don't have a frontcourt that consists of a soft 6'10 3-pt shooting PF and a 6'7 280 pound Center that has no range.

There are teams like Chicago that can't offer Blatche a contract due to the exceptions they used which created a hard cap for them. There are also teams like the Rockets, Raptors, and Magic that are loaded at the PF position and have no need to get Blatche. Add in the tanking teams that aren't going to be looking to get any better, and therefore wouldn't take any chance on him, and its not quite 28 teams anymore.

The real question is, of the 16 playoff teams, which would need him to compete or at least improve? Even that number would be reduced because the Heat, OKC, and Lakers are fairly well set, add to that the Jazz, and Memphis (assuming Arthur comes back 100%).

Long story short, the Spurs haven't let the other 29 teams in the league dictate what they've done so far, doubt they are starting with Blatche. And its not as if this FO hasn't simply been satisfied with subpar complimentary pieces to its starting frontcourt before.

You're not getting me. Not saying the Spurs are waiting for the other teams, just point out that NO ONE is rushing to sign this clown. People act like the Spurs are the only team sitting on their hands. They're not.

Project Spurs has SA inviting another PF not named Blatche to training camp. So far, the list includes Tyler Wilkerson, and as of today, Rayshawn Terry.

[therealtruth]

Considering a job in New York City does not constitute immaturity. Not sure what one has to do with the other.

Probably the best place for him is a place without distractions, a smaller market. Look at what the move from DC to Sac did for Webber.

[Fabbs]

There are also 28 teams that don't have a frontcourt that consists of a soft 6'10 3-pt shooting PF and a 6'7 280 pound Center that has no range.

There are teams like Chicago that can't offer Blatche a contract due to the exceptions they used which created a hard cap for them. There are also teams like the Rockets, Raptors, and Magic that are loaded at the PF position and have no need to get Blatche. Add in the tanking teams that aren't going to be looking to get any better, and therefore wouldn't take any chance on him, and its not quite 28 teams anymore.

The real question is, of the 16 playoff teams, which would need him to compete or at least improve? Even that number would be reduced because the Heat, OKC, and Lakers are fairly well set, add to that the Jazz, and Memphis (assuming Arthur comes back 100%).

Long story short, the Spurs haven't let the other 29 teams in the league dictate what they've done so far, doubt they are starting with Blatche. And its not as if this FO hasn't simply been satisfied with subpar complimentary pieces to its starting frontcourt before.
Would you like another cup of STFU, Wild Cobra Kai?


Project Spurs has SA inviting another PF not named Blatche to training camp. So far, the list includes Tyler Wilkerson, and as of today, Rayshawn Terry.
Yeah there's a couple guys that teams have been clamouring to sign.
Nice size too, for your and Popazits idea of frontline help for Duncan.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Would you like another cup of STFU, Wild Cobra Kai?


Yeah there's a couple guys that teams have been clamouring to sign.
Nice size too, for your and Popazits idea of frontline help for Duncan.

Still 28 teams sitting on the sidelines. Hum de dum. Keep dreaming.

[Ice009]

Spurs are looking at fucking scrubs. Take a shot on Blatche.

[timtonymanu]

Spur fan is really overrating Blatche nowadays.

[swaggerjackson]

Terry is a not a power forward unless he has added a lot of weight and changed his game. I liked him in high school and at Chapel Hill but he damn sure was not a power forward.

[Fabbs]

Terry is a not a power forward unless he has added a lot of weight and changed his game. I liked him in high school and at Chapel Hill but he damn sure was not a power forward.
Mike Finley-Popovich, Soft Dick Jefferson, Matty Bonner.....
Terry is a power forward swaggerjackson. Just ask Popped and Wild Cobra Kai.

[jjktkk]

Mike Finley-Popovich, Soft Dick Jefferson, Matty Bonner.....
Terry is a power forward swaggerjackson. Just ask Popped and Wild Cobra Kai.

We need some more of your cool coach prospect threads.

[Fabbs]

We need some more of your cool coach prospect threads.
Thanks for taking a break from your recruiting of Luke Walton.

[slick'81]

Spur fan is really overrating Blatche nowadays.


and know exactly what bonner /blair r

[Step 2 Texas]

and know exactly what bonner /blair r
http://aznbadger.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/2-shits.jpg

[jjktkk]

Thanks for taking a break from your recruiting of Luke Walton.

I was actually working on finding some manager prospects for the Angels.

[Fabbs]

I was actually working on finding some manager prospects for the Angels.
Why?! Skosha is doing a Pop of a job.

Or were you going to replace Skosha with Pop!!!!!

[Bruno]

Well, Blatche still being a free agent is an alarming sign that there is something wrong with him in addition of his poor attitude.

The issue could be that he has lost a lot of his athleticism after he broke his fifth metatarsal two years ago. James Anderson has had the same injury and it had a devastating effect on his career. While Blatche could potentially still be a decent high usage offensive option, the loss of athleticism will hurt him defensively. A team like Spurs would have no use of that kind of players.

If Blatche isn't an option for Spurs, they should try to go after K-Mart or see the trade options available. If nothing works, there is still a chance that Blair turns out to be a fine backup PF this year.

[DPG21920]

Unless Blair dramatically has altered his game (added a reliable jump shot & improved defensively), I don't see how outside of some solid looking box score stats he can really elevate the Spurs.

Maybe he can and his rebounding makes up for his lack of defense and he scores very efficiently in the paint, but even a version of Blair in great shape - but still with the same exact tool set - might not be a great option.

[Bruno]

^ I think what will help the most Blair defensively is coming from the bench.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

lol 16 pages on andray blatche damn the offseason sucks...

[ace3g]

HoopsHype ‏@hoopshype

Andray Blatche tells HoopsWorld he's hoping to sign in a day or two. http://bit.ly/Q943aX

[TE]

Well thank god for that update. All this speculation over Andray Blatche will finally die along with this offseason thread.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

It would feel good to hear that the Spurs have signed Andray. Blatche has a good skill set, and he looks like he's ready to shed the attitude and start busting his ass to start growing, learn more, and get better.

[Fabbs]

Well, Blatche still being a free agent is an alarming sign that there is something wrong with him in addition of his poor attitude.

The issue could be that he has lost a lot of his athleticism after he broke his fifth metatarsal two years ago. James Anderson has had the same injury and it had a devastating effect on his career. While Blatche could potentially still be a decent high usage offensive option, the loss of athleticism will hurt him defensively. A team like Spurs would have no use of that kind of players.
If he did lose athleticism due to his 5th it would explain why intelligent teams FOs are passing.
However the above tweet includes: Andray Blatche: "John Lucas is key to me signing with another team"

Which would make one lean towards drug/alch abuse as opposed to 5th metatarsal. Whadaya think?

[TrueSpursFan]

@ESPNSteinLine: Team in pole position to sign Andray Blatche, I'm told, is indeed Brooklyn. Blatche told HoopsWorld he'll have a new team this week

[lmbebo]

OMG! Spurs title just signed with the Nets! /sarcasm.

[DPG21920]

Not sure what the hang up with Blatche is, but the Spurs have desperately been needing to upgrade their FC for a long time. Whether that is via Blatche or something else, they need a lot of work. Quite strange that they have been unable to even remotely come close to doing so.

[Bruno]

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/243498121932447744


@ESPNSteinLine

Sources close to process say Nets confident of completing Blatche signing this week. @HowardBeckNYT reported that parties met over weekend

Time to bump the K-Mart thread... :downspin:

[Ice009]

I have no freaking idea what the Spurs are trying to do to upgrade that C/F position. Blatche had potential and it would have come at a very cheap price. I would love to know what the Spurs are looking for. It's really, really strange as it appears that they have shown no real interest in Blatche at all.

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Free agent F Andray Blatche has agreed in principle to a 1-year contract paying the minimum with the Brooklyn Nets, a source told Y! Sports

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Blatche is expected to sign the deal with Brooklyn early next week and will be used at the power forward and center positions.

[Ice009]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Free agent F Andray Blatche has agreed in principle to a 1-year contract paying the minimum with the Brooklyn Nets, a source told Y! Sports

Wow, what in the heck are the Spurs looking for to upgrade that C/F position? Blatche was cheap and still had quite a bit of potential.

Spurs are looking at total unproven scrubs instead, not that Blatche was a proven stud or anything, but at least he has played in the NBA and had some good games to back that up.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The only reasons the Spurs wouldn't have tried for him are either he made it clear he didn't want to come here, he's utter team poison (we all know he's not a good teammate, but he might be much worse given his history), or his bball IQ is so low that he'd have no chance at grasping the Spurs' systems (a distinct possibility given the way he's played in the past).

Pity, because his physical talent is undeniable, and I think he would've been superb off our bench under Pop and Tim's tutelage.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

BTW, ace3g, I'd have the Spurs' depth chart like this:

PG: Parker, Mills, Joseph
SG: Manu, Green, De Colo, Neal
SF: Kawhi, JAX, (Green)
PF: Diaw, Blair, Bonner
C: Duncan, Splitter

;)

We all know Tim's been playing C since 2005.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

No Blatche makes the idea of swinging a trade for Patterson much more appealing - he has length, athleticism, and a nice 15ft jumpshot - perfect for our second team. Pity we have bugger all to send out that Houston would want... :depressed

[timtonymanu]

Well it looks like the Spurs will go with what they have and maybe try to pull off a trade during the season. It worked out better for us last season. I just hope Bonner is the 5th big to start the season but I've been hoping that for quite some time now.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Well, Blatche still being a free agent is an alarming sign that there is something wrong with him in addition of his poor attitude.

The issue could be that he has lost a lot of his athleticism after he broke his fifth metatarsal two years ago. James Anderson has had the same injury and it had a devastating effect on his career. While Blatche could potentially still be a decent high usage offensive option, the loss of athleticism will hurt him defensively. A team like Spurs would have no use of that kind of players.

If Blatche isn't an option for Spurs, they should try to go after K-Mart or see the trade options available. If nothing works, there is still a chance that Blair turns out to be a fine backup PF this year.

Damn, they kept that quiet. Maybe that was really why his numbers went off a cliff last year. They claimed he was out of shape, but a busted 5MT would do the same thing.

[Mhak]

I've been saying all summer long that Spurs are content with their players. The only way they will make a move is when they feel the panic during the season. The Spurs will trade in February.

I feel sorry for Timmy for not getting any help in the middle!

[Ice009]

Tim Duncan is just an amazingly loyal guy. He's been ridden so hard by the Spurs with no real help at PF/C for years now and he is still here.

If it was me I would have found it hard not to say stuff it and left. I don't know how Tim can do it and not get upset about it.

What would you guys do if you were in Tim's position? Would you have left this offseason or stay to play with bonner and blair?

[Mhak]

Tim Duncan is just an amazingly loyal guy. He's been ridden so hard by the Spurs with no real help at PF/C for years now and he is still here.

If it was me I would have found it hard not to say stuff it and left. I don't know how Tim can do it and not get upset about it.

What would you guys do if you were in Tim's position? Would you have left this offseason or stay to play with bonner and blair?

I know for sure that Tim is a classy guy and our front office been finding gems on the rough but partly i think that Tim does not demand any help or just let the FO runs the show.

A super star like timmy can pressure the front office who he wants to play but I think he is contend on what the FO gives him.

[Fabbs]

I know for sure that Tim is a classy guy and our front office been finding gems on the rough but partly i think that Tim does not demand any help or just let the FO runs the show.

A super star like timmy can pressure the front office who he wants to play but I think he is contend on what the FO gives him.
Bing bing bing.
It's what separates him from reaching 6+ legit titles territory and giving the NBA a continuing sense of decency vs the WWE joke it's become with more rigged years then not.
Disappointing he's settled.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Tim Duncan is just an amazingly loyal guy. He's been ridden so hard by the Spurs with no real help at PF/C for years now and he is still here.

If it was me I would have found it hard not to say stuff it and left. I don't know how Tim can do it and not get upset about it.

What would you guys do if you were in Tim's position? Would you have left this offseason or stay to play with bonner and blair?

I'd stay. What would be the point in leaving? He has a handful of rings, a coach and teammates he gets along with, and his family seems happy here. He has nothing left to accomplish. Leaving would only tarnish his legacy, like Hakeem wasting time going to Toronto, or Ewing to Seattle. He's a one team guy.

[Duncan2177]

I'd stay. What would be the point in leaving? He has a handful of rings, a coach and teammates he gets along with, and his family seems happy here. He has nothing left to accomplish. Leaving would only tarnish his legacy, like Hakeem wasting time going to Toronto, or Ewing to Seattle. He's a one team guy.

The same thing can be said about Kobe and Garnett.:rolleyes

[racm]

I'd stay. What would be the point in leaving? He has a handful of rings, a coach and teammates he gets along with, and his family seems happy here. He has nothing left to accomplish. Leaving would only tarnish his legacy, like Hakeem wasting time going to Toronto, or Ewing to Seattle. He's a one team guy.

The only reason he'd take a gamble would be a fifth ring, and I doubt he wants one as bad as Spur fan does so they can talk trash to Laker fan about how they're a wash. :lmao


The same thing can be said about Kobe and Garnett.:rolleyes

Did PATFO surround Timmy with Kwame Brown or Michael Olowokandi?

[Wild Cobra Kai]

The same thing can be said about Kobe and Garnett.:rolleyes

Have you been a fan for more than 5 minutes? Garnett had to leave Minny to chase a ring.

[Andthentherewas21]

More than anything its just frustrating as a fan, to see the Spurs FO do nothing about a glaring problem. Worse, its a problem they know is a problem or else they wouldn't bench Blair at the start of every postseason now, reduce Bonner to 3 minutes the final games of a series, and have the coach psychologically tear down and emasculate the only other player on the team over 7 feet on national television for missing 1 defensive assignment.

That leaves Tim, a 36 year old at 250-260 pounds with over 20 years of basketball on his legs and joints (college, NBA, and prior to both), with a 30 year old offensively passive frenchman with past weight issues as his only frontcourt help. Its just depressing.

Worse yet, the Spurs don't have a huge history of mid-season trades (particularly when it isn't just getting rid of a crappy contract they signed someone too for being "professional" and being lucky enough to get Jax back in return). Even if they did, the chances that person would get integrated into the system enough to gain playing time during the postseason is dubious.

[Hoops Czar]

Second rate organization. Buford's a fool.

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs are still better off now than they were going into last season. Remember, last year the Spurs had only 4 big men going in (with Blair starting!), and still had RJ on the team.

[Ice009]

I should have also asked, would you have left if you were Tim the previous time you could have? Right now, sure, you probably wouldn't as it's a little late to start over on a new team.

I think Tim could have opted out a few years ago though couldn't he have? I would have seriously considered leaving around that time if I was him, basically about the time Pop started Bonner and decided to include him into the rotation, permanently.

At the very least I am surprised that Tim hasn't asked the team to get rid of Bonner. I don't see how he could like busting his ass all season, only to see Bonner get scared in the playoffs and curl up into the fetal position when there is a pressure game or situation. I just couldn't work with someone like that if my main goal was to win a Championship. Bonner is a great guy at all, but he's just not a championship player or someone you can have in the rotation if you are looking to win, and it seems like Tim is OK with that, as it doesn't seem as if he has done or said anything about it. Personally, I would be more OK playing with Dejuan over Bonner as he gives effort and doesn't get scared out there, sure he may be limited, but at least he will give it full effort out there and not pack it in.

[Fabbs]

I should have also asked, would you have left if you were Tim the previous time you could have? Right now, sure, you probably wouldn't as it's a little late to start over on a new team.

I think Tim could have opted out a few years ago though couldn't he have? I would have seriously considered leaving around that time if I was him, basically about the time Pop started Bonner and decided to include him into the rotation, permanently.

At the very least I am surprised that Tim hasn't asked the team to get rid of Bonner. I don't see how he could like busting his ass all season, only to see Bonner get scared in the playoffs and curl up into the fetal position when there is a pressure game or situation. I just couldn't work with someone like that if my main goal was to win a Championship.
Hence if Tim wanted to be a GOAT in all respects and join Jordan in the 6 Legit Rings dept he would have told the FO to have Popped change his bullshit ways or send Pop packing.

The FO is going to side with Popped? :lol I don't think so but if they did Tim could have and should have absolutely bailed. Enabling CIA Poop has proven to be guaranteed playoff failure for 6 of the last 7. 5 straight fo sho.

[Duncan2177]

Have you been a fan for more than 5 minutes? Garnett had to leave Minny to chase a ring.

I can't blame him for that, Minny was going nowhere.

[Sean Cagney]

I should have also asked, would you have left if you were Tim the previous time you could have? Right now, sure, you probably wouldn't as it's a little late to start over on a new team.

I think Tim could have opted out a few years ago though couldn't he have? I would have seriously considered leaving around that time if I was him, basically about the time Pop started Bonner and decided to include him into the rotation, permanently.

At the very least I am surprised that Tim hasn't asked the team to get rid of Bonner. I don't see how he could like busting his ass all season, only to see Bonner get scared in the playoffs and curl up into the fetal position when there is a pressure game or situation. I just couldn't work with someone like that if my main goal was to win a Championship. Bonner is a great guy at all, but he's just not a championship player or someone you can have in the rotation if you are looking to win, and it seems like Tim is OK with that as it doesn't seem as if he has done or said anything about it. Personally, I would be more OK playing with Dejuan over Bonner as he gives effort and doesn't get scared out there, sure he may be limited, but at least he will give it full effort out there and not pack it in.
This is a good post.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Second rate organization. Buford's a fool.

Light years ahead of the Cavs, tbh. You should probably shut up.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I can't blame him for that, Minny was going nowhere.

Why did you mention KG and Kobe in your post then? I was talking about one team players. KG isn't one.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Hence if Tim wanted to be a GOAT in all respects and join Jordan in the 6 Legit Rings dept he would have told the FO to have Popped change his bullshit ways or send Pop packing.

The FO is going to side with Popped? :lol I don't think so but if they did Tim could have and should have absolutely bailed. Enabling CIA Poop has proven to be guaranteed playoff failure for 6 of the last 7. 5 straight fo sho.

Do you understand anything about the Spurs oganizational structure? Pop is the coach. He is also the President of basketball operations. That means that Buford and the front office work for him. Anyone who doesn't "side with Popped" is likely to get an invitation to the world.

[timtonymanu]

Light years ahead of the Cavs, tbh. You should probably shut up.

I bet these posters were preaching the front office when they brought in Jack, Diaw, and Mills last spring.

[Fabbs]

Do you understand anything about the Spurs oganizational structure? Pop is the coach. He is also the President of basketball operations. That means that Buford and the front office work for him. Anyone who doesn't "side with Popped" is likely to get an invitation to the world.
Yeah, that's kind of my point. Lord Poppycock given too much power/not questioned with his chickenshit moves is what puts Tim Duncan in "enabler" status too.

Do you realize who Tim Duncan was, esp after 2005? I'd love to have seen who would have won the "battle" between Coatails Pop and Timmy Duncan. If Holt would have been idiotic enough to send Tim packing we can only imagine how may titles he contributes with the right team.

[Ice009]

Basically, I am starting to get a little mad now that it seems like Tim is still OK with playing with Bonner.

He should not, in anyway shape or form want Bonner on the team after all his playoff debacles, and should have said something about it earlier.

It's the right thing to support your teammates during the season, but I think in the off season you can reflect, and should be able to work out that Bonner isn't a player you want on your team getting rotation minutes if you want to go anywhere.

You can sure as heck bet someone like Kobe would have no problems saying something to his front office, even if it isn't a direct demand to get rid of someone, he would speak up and tell them what he thinks of certain players.

Why hasn't Tim? or do you guys think he has?

[timtonymanu]

You can sure as heck bet someone like Kobe would have no problems saying something to his front office, even if it isn't a direct demand to get rid of someone, he would speak up and tell them what he thinks of certain players

Why hasn't Tim? or do you guys think he has?

Because Tim isn't the type to sell out his teammates like that. I don't want Bonner on the team either but that's a pretty dick-ish thing to do.

Why is it so hard for you to get that?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Maybe we should just trust in Tim and Pop through all this. They are the guys who brought 4 titles to the franchise, and I'm pretty sure that if Tim wanted Bonner gone he would be. For whatever reason, Tim wants him around.

I'm happy to start the season with the lineup we've got. It's a lot better than we started last year with, and we're only one impacting big off the bench away from being a very dangerous team. Hell, we could even get internal improvement from Splitter that makes this discussion largely moot. Let's hope so.

PS We have some nice assets to trade with: Jax's expiring (although I don't want to see him go), Neal and Blair are solid rotation players who'd be in the top 8 players of most teams, and Bonner only has 2 years left on his contract now which makes him easier to trade as part of a multi-player deal.

[Fabbs]

Because Tim isn't the type to sell out his teammates like that. I don't want Bonner on the team either but that's a pretty dick-ish thing to do.

Why is it so hard for you to get that?Subjecting your other 13 teamates to guaranteed playoff failure is what's wrong.

[slick'81]

Updating a previous item, Andray Blatche's deal with the Nets has not been finalized, according to Michael Lee of the Washington Post.

Lee added that two sources close to Blatche said the forward has "yet to make a decision and is also considering an offer from the Miami Heat." This conflicts with Marc Spears' earlier report that Blatche and the Nets have agreed in principle. Both Lee and Spears are two of the most credible sources in the business, so check back for updates on this story.

Source: Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/andray-blatche-to-brooklyn/2012/09/06/7a3717c4-f7d8-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_blog.html)
Sep 6

[mountainballer]

oh well....
some people are really whining about the FO not signing a player af Blatche's calibre.....
(ignoring the fact that they might have offered him a contract as well as the Heat and Nets and that he just isn't interested. for whatever reason)
hm.
Spurs were ranked as the deepest team in the league last season by pretty much every expert. they bring back the same team. (plus DeColo)
they should still be deeper than any other team. what they lack is some star power at PF. Blatche isn't. making an already super deep team deeper doesn't make much sense for them anyhow.
for the Spurs there is only one road to upgrade and that's via trade. but the Spurs are not in position for a summer blockbuster. they can/will find a much better chance for a significant trade at deadline 2013. till then, this team should have no problem to go +60%.

[mountainballer]

Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeckNYT

Rest easy, Nets fans. Blatche deal is nonguaranteed. He's basically a camp invitee. No real risk.

[timtonymanu]

oh well....
some people are really whining about the FO not signing a player af Blatche's calibre.....
(ignoring the fact that they might have offered him a contract as well as the Heat and Nets and that he just isn't interested. for whatever reason)
hm.
Spurs were ranked as the deepest team in the league last season by pretty much every expert. they bring back the same team. (plus DeColo)
they should still be deeper than any other team. what they lack is some star power at PF. Blatche isn't. making an already super deep team deeper doesn't make much sense for them anyhow.
for the Spurs there is only one road to upgrade and that's via trade. but the Spurs are not in position for a summer blockbuster. they can/will find a much better chance for a significant trade at deadline 2013. till then, this team should have no problem to go +60%.

Well said.

[racm]

Has it occurred to you fellows that:

1. The reason the Spurs began sliding out of contention (only to come back knocking this year) was not merely because Matt Bonner found himself not being wide open in the corner for a 3, but also because Tim Duncan began declining because of his age, and he no longer had defensive stalwart Bruce Bowen but a big numbers scrub in Richard Jefferson?

2. Andray Blatche would be as much a savior of the Spurs as the Laker fans touted Ramon Sessions would be?

3. This roster is perfectly built to cruise through the regular season (seriously - the Spurs only lost TWO regular season games after Jackson returned). While its playoff capabilities are a bit more questionable (Pop seems to be coming around, what with Bonner seeing a total of THREE minutes in the last 3 games of the WCF) there's still the trade deadline.

4. And the Spurs would actually do best to wait until a month or two into the season to move their trade chips. Buy low, sell high - and the RS minutes eaters in Bonner/Blair would garner more interest when they do their regular season thing, maximizing the team's leverage.

[Seventyniner]

Has it occurred to you fellows that:

1. The reason the Spurs began sliding out of contention (only to come back knocking this year) was not merely because Matt Bonner found himself not being wide open in the corner for a 3, but also because Tim Duncan began declining because of his age, and he no longer had defensive stalwart Bruce Bowen but a big numbers scrub in Richard Jefferson?

2. Andray Blatche would be as much a savior of the Spurs as the Laker fans touted Ramon Sessions would be?

3. This roster is perfectly built to cruise through the regular season (seriously - the Spurs only lost TWO regular season games after Jackson returned). While its playoff capabilities are a bit more questionable (Pop seems to be coming around, what with Bonner seeing a total of THREE minutes in the last 3 games of the WCF) there's still the trade deadline.

4. And the Spurs would actually do best to wait until a month or two into the season to move their trade chips. Buy low, sell high - and the RS minutes eaters in Bonner/Blair would garner more interest when they do their regular season thing, maximizing the team's leverage.

The Bonner haters either don't know or choose to ignore this. In the WCF, Bonner's minutes went 11, 17, 23, 2, 1, 0. Sure, Bonner (unsurprisingly) had a bad game 3, but so did a lot of the team. Blaming Bonner for the WCF collapse is completely laughable.

And those #NBArank guys know what they're doing; Bonner is #178, or the equivalent of a below-average 6th man or above-average 7th man.

[Strategic]

The FO will only make a move mid-season if the team looks healthy and competitive. Unless an acquired player turns into a superstar down the stretch, he will mainly get regular season PT so that Timmy and the older players can get rested for the playoffs. imo

[Fireball]

Blaming Bonner for the WCF collapse is completely laughable.

This has nothing to do with blame. But the WCF made it obvious (even for me as I am not such an "expert" as most people here) that Matt Bonner is not made for real playoff basketball and basketball under pressure. You could see that every time he got the ball he wanted to get rid of it again (and I do not mean shooting a three) because defenders were coming at him faster than in the regular season. Others did not produce as well in the WCF, but only Bonner showed fear ...

I will live with Bonner in the regular season, because he helps the Spurs winning games and the Spurs will need that trying to be #1 in the West again. But in the playoffs Pop has to sit him as soon as he tries to dribble the ball instead of taking an (half) open shot ...

[SenorSpur]

This has nothing to do with blame. But the WCF made it obvious (even for me as I am not such an "expert" as most people here) that Matt Bonner is not made for real playoff basketball and basketball under pressure. You could see that every time he got the ball he wanted to get rid of it again (and I do not mean shooting a three) because defenders were coming at him faster than in the regular season. Others did not produce as well in the WCF, but only Bonner showed fear ...

I will live with Bonner in the regular season, because he helps the Spurs winning games and the Spurs will need that trying to be #1 in the West again. But in the playoffs Pop has to sit him as soon as he tries to dribble the ball instead of taking an (half) open shot ...

I don't want to live with Bonner anymore - regular season or playoffs. There is no way anyone - Spurs fan, coach or analyst - can justify Bonner's continued presence on this team. There is nothing else we need to see from this choking dog. Bonner is a ceremonial, regular season, one-trick pony, with no playoff value. His time on this team should be over. And why Pop continues to keep him around is truly the biggest mystery of Pop's coaching career. By keeping him around, Pop is doing an injustice to himself and the rest of the team.

No one is blaming Bonner for the WCF because he hardly played - which is an indictment in itself. The problem is - and this is something the Bonner defenders fail to realize - is the fact that Bonner's continued presence on this roster is detrimental. Why? Because he's taking up a roster space where the Spurs could and should employ a productive big man.

Pop's love of the face-up, stretch 4 is hurting this team. There is nothing that Bonner provides that cannot be replaced. As a matter of fact, getting him out of here would be addition by subtraction. On the other hand, keeping him around is truly the definition of insanity.

[Ice009]

The Bonner haters either don't know or choose to ignore this. In the WCF, Bonner's minutes went 11, 17, 23, 2, 1, 0. Sure, Bonner (unsurprisingly) had a bad game 3, but so did a lot of the team. Blaming Bonner for the WCF collapse is completely laughable.

And those #NBArank guys know what they're doing; Bonner is #178, or the equivalent of a below-average 6th man or above-average 7th man.

Like fireball said, Bonner showed pure fear, of course he was benched, wtf was Pop supposed to do? Keep playing him? Bonner got minutes and completely shit the bed, that is why Pop benched him, not because he wanted to, but because he had no choice.

The other problem was that Pop had no backups or backup plan to Bonner completely shitting himself, which left the Spurs at a huge disadvantage as he was a key rotation player.

He's definitely not the entire reason the Spurs lost, but he was a big contributor towards it as Pop had to change his lineups and game plan because Bonner was just not up to it.

I can understand Tim being a team player and supporting his teammates, but it's time for Bonner to go and Tim needs to lead the charge to get him off the team. He's had enough chances, and it's pretty clear that he's not a playoff or any type of pressure moment player.

[FromWayDowntown]

I love the persistent assumption among Spurs fans that because x hasn't happened, the Spurs haven't even considered doing x.

For instance:

the assumption that because Matt Bonner is still on the roster, the Spurs haven't even considered trying to rid themselves of Matt Bonner

The assumption that because the Spurs haven't signed another big man (or traded for one), the Spurs haven't even tried to sign or trade for a big man.

[Ice009]

I love the persistent assumption among Spurs fans that because x hasn't happened, the Spurs haven't even considered doing x.

For instance:

the assumption that because Matt Bonner is still on the roster, the Spurs haven't even considered trying to rid themselves of Matt Bonner

The assumption that because the Spurs haven't signed another big man (or traded for one), the Spurs haven't even tried to sign or trade for a big man.

Spurs could easily get Blatche IMO if they put the full court press on him. Doesn't seem like they really want him. Maybe they have tried all of what you said, but sometimes they are just too secretive and the fans don't like that and take that as if they are doing nothing. The fans want to know what is going on, and if the Spurs always want to keep it secretive, you can expect the fans to jump on them a lot of the time because it seems like they are doing nothing.

[FromWayDowntown]

Spurs could easily get Blatche IMO if they put the full court press on him.

I get that this is your opinion, but how do you get to a conclusion that they could "easily" make that happen? There are plenty of reasons why a guy in Blatche's position would rather go elsewhere.


Doesn't seem like they really want him. Maybe they have tried all of what you said, but sometimes they are just too secretive and the fans don't like that and take that as if they are doing nothing. The fans want to know what is going on, and if the Spurs always want to keep it secretive, you can expect the fans to jump on them a lot of the time because it seems like they are doing nothing.

Yeah, I don't think anyone who runs the Spurs really cares if your bothered by their secrecy. You continue to support them, no matter how much you might dislike their strategies, so why on Earth would they change that approach?

Honestly, I just think its silly to assume that nothing happening means that they haven't tried to do anything.

[Hoops Czar]

Has it occurred to you fellows that:

1. The reason the Spurs began sliding out of contention (only to come back knocking this year) was not merely because Matt Bonner found himself not being wide open in the corner for a 3, but also because Tim Duncan began declining because of his age, and he no longer had defensive stalwart Bruce Bowen but a big numbers scrub in Richard Jefferson?

2. Andray Blatche would be as much a savior of the Spurs as the Laker fans touted Ramon Sessions would be?

3. This roster is perfectly built to cruise through the regular season (seriously - the Spurs only lost TWO regular season games after Jackson returned). While its playoff capabilities are a bit more questionable (Pop seems to be coming around, what with Bonner seeing a total of THREE minutes in the last 3 games of the WCF) there's still the trade deadline.

4. And the Spurs would actually do best to wait until a month or two into the season to move their trade chips. Buy low, sell high - and the RS minutes eaters in Bonner/Blair would garner more interest when they do their regular season thing, maximizing the team's leverage.

1. Fell out of contention? When did this happen. Theyv'e had to deal with a rash of injuries that derailed any chance at a serious playoff push. Manu Ginobili was healthy for the first time in the post season since 2007 and the Spurs were 2 games away from making the NBA finals. And Yes, when TD is asked to do it all on the defensive end, it wears him down. I'm sorry management is too blind too notice.

2. Blatche at league minimum woud be like getting something for nothing. How many possible 16 and 8 guys do you see flooding the free agent market willing to play for the shirt on their back? And I don't recall anyone calling him a savior.

3. Blair is making jack shit and sporting no ACL's and Bonner is post season useless. When will it sink in that other teams aren't interested in trading for our junk. Without something to offer, don't expect anything much in return.

4. See 3. Blair fell completely out of the rotation and Bonner struggles to find himself useful during the regular season. Neither will make a huge impact. And neither will garner much interest around the league. The fact that this is still being discussed is beyond me. The Spurs have NO leverage. They'd be better of keeping Bonner and Blair because their potentail output is much greater than anything they would receive in a trade and it isn't even close.

The bottom line is Buford shit his pants this offseason. With a shoestring budget in hand, he had a chance to improve the team and fulfill a team need but, instead, he chose to sign a bunch of no name, impactless scrubs to training camps in hopes that one would make the roster. Bush league GM'ing at its finest.
4.

[Fireball]

The problem is - and this is something the Bonner defenders fail to realize - is the fact that Bonner's continued presence on this roster is detrimental. Why? Because he's taking up a roster space where the Spurs could and should employ a productive big man.

Amen to that ... if some productive big man is available, I am all for dumping Bonner and shipping him back ton Toronto. But if this does not happen, I still can live with Bonner playing 10-15 minutes in the regular season.

[SenorSpur]

Like fireball said, Bonner showed pure fear, of course he was benched, wtf was Pop supposed to do? Keep playing him? Bonner got minutes and completely shit the bed, that is why Pop benched him, not because he wanted to, but because he had no choice.

The other problem was that Pop had no backups or backup plan to Bonner completely shitting himself, which left the Spurs at a huge disadvantage as he was a key rotation player.

He's definitely not the entire reason the Spurs lost, but he was a big contributor towards it as Pop had to change his lineups and game plan because Bonner was just not up to it.

I can understand Tim being a team player and supporting his teammates, but it's time for Bonner to go and Tim needs to lead the charge to get him off the team. He's had enough chances, and it's pretty clear that he's not a playoff or any type of pressure moment player.

When the Spurs were woefully outplayed and outmanned during the ill-fated Memphis playoff series of a year ago, Pop expended all manner of efforts to solve the issue. Out went Hill. In came Leonard. After watching 3 seasons of RJ, Pop shipped him out and reacquired SJax.

The point is Pop is smart and enough and has enough wherewithall to know his roster's limitations. Him not playing Bonner much in the WCF is as much telling about that situation as anything. Yet, it's not new and it defies logic how Pop can continue to watch Bonner "stink up the joint" every year, leaving the Spurs shorthanded and undermanned, and do nothing about it.

[TDMVPDPOY]

isnt it contract season for blair? he better come around or else...devin brown route

[taps]

Don't let Fabbs get in your head Ice.

[Venti Quattro]

This thread fucking delivers. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[TD 21]

More than anything its just frustrating as a fan, to see the Spurs FO do nothing about a glaring problem. Worse, its a problem they know is a problem or else they wouldn't bench Blair at the start of every postseason now, reduce Bonner to 3 minutes the final games of a series, and have the coach psychologically tear down and emasculate the only other player on the team over 7 feet on national television for missing 1 defensive assignment.

That leaves Tim, a 36 year old at 250-260 pounds with over 20 years of basketball on his legs and joints (college, NBA, and prior to both), with a 30 year old offensively passive frenchman with past weight issues as his only frontcourt help. Its just depressing.

Worse yet, the Spurs don't have a huge history of mid-season trades (particularly when it isn't just getting rid of a crappy contract they signed someone too for being "professional" and being lucky enough to get Jax back in return). Even if they did, the chances that person would get integrated into the system enough to gain playing time during the postseason is dubious.

Exactly. That's what this is about. I don't know why anyone is bringing up the word savior, since I've yet to see anyone who was pro-Blatche say that. And if they did, then obviously they're delusional. The intelligent fans know there was a slim chance of Blatche making an impact and improving the team's ceiling, but for the veteran's minimum, it was more than worth it to find out.

What they've basically said, is they're content with their ceiling being a Conference Finals exit. They've done nothing to attempt to alter that inevitability, yet inexplicably, Duncan not only signed off on that, but did so for at least $2M annually less than he's worth. Worse yet, they're attempting to suck people in (and even worse than that, people are getting sucked in) to this "internal improvement" nonsense, as if this is the past few off seasons. News flash: Splitter and Green are near finished products and Mills and Blair are not in the rotation. Only Leonard has room for significant improvement, but even then, the ceiling would only improve if Duncan and Ginobili remain status quo.

Who cares if they're "better off than last year at this time"? They're not better than when the season ended and they weren't good enough then. And who cares about "all of their trade assets"? They're too cheap/gun shy to pull the trigger on a significant move, particularly in season (and no, Jackson/Jefferson doesn't qualify, since there was virtually no risk involved).

[therealtruth]

Exactly. That's what this is about. I don't know why anyone is bringing up the word savior, since I've yet to see anyone who was pro-Blatche say that. And if they did, then obviously they're delusional. The intelligent fans know there was a slim chance of Blatche making an impact and improving the team's ceiling, but for the veteran's minimum, it was more than worth it to find out.

What they've basically said, is they're content with their ceiling being a Conference Finals exit. They've done nothing to attempt to alter that inevitability, yet inexplicably, Duncan not only signed off on that, but did so for at least $2M annually less than he's worth. Worse yet, they're attempting to suck people in (and even worse than that, people are getting sucked in) to this "internal improvement" nonsense, as if this is the past few off seasons. News flash: Splitter and Green are near finished products and Mills and Blair are not in the rotation. Only Leonard has room for significant improvement, but even then, the ceiling would only improve if Duncan and Ginobili remain status quo.

Who cares if they're "better off than last year at this time"? They're not better than when the season ended and they weren't good enough then. And who cares about "all of their trade assets"? They're too cheap/gun shy to pull the trigger on a significant move, particularly in season (and no, Jackson/Jefferson doesn't qualify, since there was virtually no risk involved).

The Spurs argument for not doing anything is athleticism doesn't mean a player is good. They basically are using a false dichotomy. It's not just all Diaw-like players and then athletic no brainers. There's alot of variation. They don't need perfect they just need serviceable. Someone who can grab some rebounds, block some shots, and hit the open shot.

The one thing that ticks me off about Bonner more than his playoff choking is his lack of hustle. He should have the most floor burns on the team. He should be frustrating opponents by playing frenetically on defense. This was the first year I actually saw him taking harder fouls in the playoffs. If he came in to the game and brought energy we would have probably won the series. Instead every time he entered the game we lost momentum. The guys plays scared and cowardly.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Sounds like Blatche signed with the Nets officially anyway.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Sounds like Blatche signed with the Nets officially anyway.

I keep hearing that an agreement has been reached, but he's still playing them off against Miami.

[Obstructed_View]

I feel sorry for Timmy for not having had any help in the middle since 2005!

Fixed.

Okay, thank god. Onto the next molehill.

[CaptainLate]

And if they did, then obviously they're delusional. The intelligent fans know there was a slim chance of Blatche making an impact and improving the team's ceiling, but for the veteran's minimum, it was more than worth it to find out.

What they've basically said, is they're content with their ceiling being a Conference Finals exit. They've done nothing to attempt to alter that inevitability, yet inexplicably, Duncan not only signed off on that, but did so for at least $2M annually less than he's worth. Worse yet, they're attempting to suck people in (and even worse than that, people are getting sucked in) to this "internal improvement" nonsense, as if this is the past few off seasons. News flash: Splitter and Green are near finished products and Mills and Blair are not in the rotation. Only Leonard has room for significant improvement, but even then, the ceiling would only improve if Duncan and Ginobili remain status quo.

Who cares if they're "better off than last year at this time"? They're not better than when the season ended and they weren't good enough then. And who cares about "all of their trade assets"? They're too cheap/gun shy to pull the trigger on a significant move, particularly in season (and no, Jackson/Jefferson doesn't qualify, since there was virtually no risk involved).

I don't post often, but I've said several times the last few years that the "cheap" ownership screwed the best years of the 3 Amigos careers. In fact, if you go back to the pre-TDuncan DRob era, the "cheap" ownership screwed the best years of his HoF career. An owner or ownership group in the mold of Buss, or Cuban, or Maloofs would have spent whatever it took to build around DRob, and TDuncan/Manu/TP so that there would have been enough depth to reach the NBA Finals every year for two decades.

Then, again, perhaps it was just a matter of not finding enough All-Star caliber players who have "gotten over themselves" who were willing to make the financial sacrifice to be on a dynasty for the ages. You know what Sacred Scripture says about the love of money being the root of not winning the :lobt: every year.

[SenorSpur]

The Spurs argument for not doing anything is athleticism doesn't mean a player is good. They basically are using a false dichotomy. It's not just all Diaw-like players and then athletic no brainers. There's alot of variation. They don't need perfect they just need serviceable. Someone who can grab some rebounds, block some shots, and hit the open shot.

The one thing that ticks me off about Bonner more than his playoff choking is his lack of hustle. He should have the most floor burns on the team. He should be frustrating opponents by playing frenetically on defense. This was the first year I actually saw him taking harder fouls in the playoffs. If he came in to the game and brought energy we would have probably won the series. Instead every time he entered the game we lost momentum. The guys plays scared and cowardly.

And yet, he's kept around like some sort of mascot or pet rock, in spite of it all.

Well said!

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

I agree with TD21 and SenorSpur. Great points, actually, by both.

I think it's great that Blair is demanding a trade because it at least forces RC's hand a little bit. And hopefully this motivates Blair to improve, divest his Whataburger stock, and play better.

I agree that internal development is sort of a cop-out line told by the coaching staff, but perhaps they're saying that to increase Blair/Neal's trade value. Not saying that is their angle, but it would make sense if it was.

Last point on internal development - if the coaching staff is being honest about this concept then they need to look in the mirror as well and figure out what they're doing that could be improved upon. You would think that would mean shutting down Bonner, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.

[therealtruth]

I don't post often, but I've said several times the last few years that the "cheap" ownership screwed the best years of the 3 Amigos careers. In fact, if you go back to the pre-TDuncan DRob era, the "cheap" ownership screwed the best years of his HoF career. An owner or ownership group in the mold of Buss, or Cuban, or Maloofs would have spent whatever it took to build around DRob, and TDuncan/Manu/TP so that there would have been enough depth to reach the NBA Finals every year for two decades.

Then, again, perhaps it was just a matter of not finding enough All-Star caliber players who have "gotten over themselves" who were willing to make the financial sacrifice to be on a dynasty for the ages. You know what Sacred Scripture says about the love of money being the root of not winning the :lobt: every year.

I agree about the cheap ownership. I have no problem with them being cheap when the big 3 are gone and they're trying to develop young talent but they were always a player or two away from winning a few more championships. They've basically rode the big 3 into the ground by refusing to provide enough help.

[TE]

lol a thread about andray fucking blatche going to 20 pages

[Dex]

I agree about the cheap ownership. I have no problem with them being cheap when the big 3 are gone and they're trying to develop young talent but they were always a player or two away from winning a few more championships. They've basically rode the big 3 into the ground by refusing to provide enough help.

According to HoopsHype, Peter Holt is tied with Houston Rockets owner Leslie Alexander as the poorest owners in the NBA (with a net worth of only $80 million). Compare that to the Nets' Prokhorov, who is worth 19.5 billion, with a "B". Mark Cuban rings in at a paltry 2.3 billion. Jerry Buss is worth nearly 5 times as much as Holt at $380 million, and the Cablevision-owned Knicks ring in at $494 million. Plus, most of those teams are all backed by lucrative TV deals, which helps to negate the penalties enforced by the luxury tax.

Sure, Peter Holt probably could've stood to start dabbling in the tax a little earlier in TD's career, but that's a hell of a lot easier to say from our computer chairs when its not our millions that are being doled out. Didn't he pay around 8 million in taxes one year for Jefferson? Stupidity of that decision put aside, that's a tenth of his net worth that he put on the line for a team that got bounced in the second round.

Would be nice if we had an owner that could afford to just drop the big bucks every year, but the fact is, we don't.

[iManu]

This summer will come to be known as the summer of the Andray Blatche thread.

[therealtruth]

According to HoopsHype, Peter Holt is tied with Houston Rockets owner Leslie Alexander as the poorest owners in the NBA (with a net worth of only $80 million). Compare that to the Nets' Prokhorov, who is worth 19.5 billion, with a "B". Mark Cuban rings in at a paltry 2.3 billion. Jerry Buss is worth nearly 5 times as much as Holt at $380 million, and the Cablevision-owned Knicks ring in at $494 million. Plus, most of those teams are all backed by lucrative TV deals, which helps to negate the penalties enforced by the luxury tax.

Sure, Peter Holt probably could've stood to start dabbling in the tax a little earlier in TD's career, but that's a hell of a lot easier to say from our computer chairs when its not our millions that are being doled out. Didn't he pay around 8 million in taxes one year for Jefferson? Stupidity of that decision put aside, that's a tenth of his net worth that he put on the line for a team that got bounced in the second round.

Would be nice if we had an owner that could afford to just drop the big bucks every year, but the fact is, we don't.

It's a cost benefit analysis. If you win more championships it's possible that the value of the franchise grows greater. It's short sighted thinking to be cheap.

[Ice009]

According to HoopsHype, Peter Holt is tied with Houston Rockets owner Leslie Alexander as the poorest owners in the NBA (with a net worth of only $80 million). Compare that to the Nets' Prokhorov, who is worth 19.5 billion, with a "B". Mark Cuban rings in at a paltry 2.3 billion. Jerry Buss is worth nearly 5 times as much as Holt at $380 million, and the Cablevision-owned Knicks ring in at $494 million. Plus, most of those teams are all backed by lucrative TV deals, which helps to negate the penalties enforced by the luxury tax.

Sure, Peter Holt probably could've stood to start dabbling in the tax a little earlier in TD's career, but that's a hell of a lot easier to say from our computer chairs when its not our millions that are being doled out. Didn't he pay around 8 million in taxes one year for Jefferson? Stupidity of that decision put aside, that's a tenth of his net worth that he put on the line for a team that got bounced in the second round.

Would be nice if we had an owner that could afford to just drop the big bucks every year, but the fact is, we don't.

Don't the Spurs have an ownership group? Surely Peter did not pay all of RJs lux tax money out of his own pocket?

[SenorSpur]

This thread is more than about the Spurs failure to land a low-risk player like Blatche. This shittiest point about this whole "lack of size" situation is that the Spurs have virtually ignored it for so long. The've spent so much time investing in small, yet they've seemingly been content to stay undersized upfront. Getting Diaw was a good coup, but that gives this team 3 undersized frontcourt players. The Spurs have wasted time harboring both Blair and Bonner, when it's acutely obvious to anyone who watches this team, that their shortcomings are and continue to be widely exposed and exploited - especially in the playoffs. One or both should've been moved out a year or two before.

It's also sad that there is virtually nothing big in the pipeline. What's worse is Pop and RC seemingly refuse to even take a chance on project bigs - even in the draft. The Spurs could've drafted Robert Sacre, the 7'0" shotblocking center from Gonzaga, in the second round of this most recent draft. He was available at their pick, yet what did they do? Draft another undersized backcourt player. Meanwhile the Fakers, who already have Dwight Howard and Jordan Hill, get even bigger by adding even more size.

It's clear that teams like the Fakers, Grizz and Mavs value size. I'm really starting to think the Spurs just do not. It seems that Pop has gone full Don Nelson and seemingly has no use for bigs. I hope I'm wrong, but I only can go by what I see.

[flipspursfan]

It's a cost benefit analysis. If you win more championships it's possible that the value of the franchise grows greater. It's short sighted thinking to be cheap.

"Possible"

The financial incentive for going deep into the playoffs isn't as large such that it would have negated the millions paid in luxury tax. Also, while RC and the front office have said the team is in good financial shape due to its consistent playoff appearances and several championships, it is in no way as rich as the other franchises. It is a cost benefit analysis, but from what I've been reading, the Spurs just don't have enough capital with RC and that's just something we have to live with.

And I agree with Dex, it's easy to say as fans that our team has to spend millions but it's RC's money on the line and what more is that he's among the poorest owners in the league.

[SenorSpur]

If the Spurs want to save money, then they should stop paying $4mil to a soft-ass player, who has only one single-skill set, is a liability on defense and chokes in the playoffs. It would make better financial and basketball sense to take a chance on a rookie big, or minimum-salaried vet, who is hungrier, more versatile and would be considerably cheaper by about 1/3 of the salary.

[jjktkk]

It's a cost benefit analysis. If you win more championships it's possible that the value of the franchise grows greater. It's short sighted thinking to be cheap.

Its shortsighted thinking to believe spending more than your budget allows for will guarantee more success. Owners like Jerry Buss, Mikhail Prokhorov, among others, simply have more money to spend than the Spur's ownership. Hence, they can afford to take more chances on big money free agents, vets., etc... Can't figure out why some Spurs fans struggle figuring this out.

[jjktkk]

Does anyone wonder why one of the perennially, worst teams in the NBA gave up on Blatche?

[Drom John]

Wins Produced 11-12 by Position C2 - Center (http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/NBA_Centers_Outliers_Ari_2012.png)

This is the study that got Cuban in a wad about Kaman.

Only four centers more harmful than Kaman, from least harmful to most:
Blatche, Milicic, Mullens, Okur.

Those five plus Bargnani, Glen Davis, and Tolliver harms your team if you play them.

If we want to compete with the Mavericks, then Blatche should have been our target.
Blatche was much worse than Blair.
Luke Zeller would be in Blatche territory.

[8FOR!3]

lol at compete with the Mavericks, we're already a better team than them.

[Spurs da champs]

Does anyone wonder why one of the perennially, worst teams in the NBA gave up on Blatche?

Same thing for McGee & look how productive he was with the Nuggets.

[Ditty]

Who cares. Hopefully we start tanking after this season, pop can get over himself, while him and Buford lay off the alcohol and Bonner gets stuck in North Korea.

Unless we get hot this year like last year at the sorta right time . 2nd round is our ceiling.

[Strategic]

I think Holt's a great owner but he just doesn't seem to have enough "just screw it and go take another chance" money.

[jjktkk]

Same thing for McGee & look how productive he was with the Nuggets.

McGee was traded for Nene, not the same situation.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

It's a cost benefit analysis. If you win more championships it's possible that the value of the franchise grows greater. It's short sighted thinking to be cheap.

Teams that have won more ch'ips than SA:

Boston
LA
Chicago

Teams that have won less:

Everyone else.

The complete, unadulterated arrogance of people on this board still astounds me. Some of you fucks ACTUALLY think you know the players in this league who will and won't be of help to this team better than the "gold standard" for NBA front offices.

[lurker23]

Brooklyn Nets Sign Andray Blatche

BROOKLYN (September 12, 2012) – The Brooklyn Nets have signed forward Andray Blatche, Nets General Manager Billy King announced today. Per team policy, terms of the contract were not released.

http://www.nba.com/nets/news/brooklyn-nets-sign-andray-blatche

[Spurs da champs]

McGee was traded for Nene, not the same situation.

It was in the sense that everyone thought Mcgee was dead weight and that proved not to be the case. Tho it doesn't matter now because as usual the spurs are pussies when it comes to free agency and don't play the small market bs card because this guy was willing to play in the d league!

[jjktkk]

It was in the sense that everyone thought Mcgee was dead weight and that proved not to be the case. Tho it doesn't matter now because as usual the spurs are pussies when it comes to free agency and don't play the small market bs card because this guy was willing to play in the d league!

Lol deadweight. Denver traded a very talented player in Nene for McGee. Blatche can be called deadweight. And from this post, it seems you don't seem to understand the economics of small markets, and how it relates to being able to sign high, profile, free agents. Once you get over the fact that the Spur's FO and ownership are, in your words, "pussies", you'll realize the Spurs are not able to land coveted free agents, nor do they often take chances on knucklehead players, regardless of their talent.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

It was in the sense that everyone thought Mcgee was dead weight and that proved not to be the case. Tho it doesn't matter now because as usual the spurs are pussies when it comes to free agency and don't play the small market bs card because this guy was willing to play in the d league!

McGee had some off the court issues, but his game was never dysfunctional. Blatche is pretty much just a big mess on or off the court.

[Spurs da champs]

Lol deadweight. Denver traded a very talented player in Nene for McGee. Blatche can be called deadweight. And from this post, it seems you don't seem to understand the economics of small markets, and how it relates to being able to sign high, profile, free agents. Once you get over the fact that the Spur's FO and ownership are, in your words, "pussies", you'll realize the Spurs are not able to land coveted free agents, nor do they often take chances on knucklehead players, regardless of their talent.

Lol from deadweight to "coveted free agent" :rolleyes.
Again nobody wanted him for a good while he was their for the taking & open to any offer. But as usual r.c and poopovich struggle with the fact that this team lacks a full time starting 4.

[jjktkk]

Lol from deadweight to "coveted free agent" :rolleyes.
Again nobody wanted him for a good while he was their for the taking & open to any offer. But as usual r.c and poopovich struggle with the fact that this team lacks a full time starting 4.

Maybe you could point the way for Pop and Buford to the 4 tree, where starting caliber 4s are in abundance, and are just waiting to be plucked. :rolleyes

[Dex]

Maybe you could point the way for Pop and Buford to the 4 tree, where starting caliber 4s are in abundance, and are just waiting to be plucked. :rolleyes

Any relation to the Ticket Oak?

[Spurs da champs]

Maybe you could point the way for Pop and Buford to the 4 tree, where starting caliber 4s are in abundance, and are just waiting to be plucked. :rolleyes

Like I said their was one for cheap & ripe for the taking & are you gonna keep being a :pop: apologist?

[Russo21]

Think its time to close this thread hey. 20 pages on blatche. And he's now off the market. Stop it already.