Legitimate rape

[clambake]

my mistake.

Any daughters?


Two. Both in their 20's now.

and..............you always spend time at the skanky strip joint you call the local watering hole...............gawking at girls your daughters age.



holy fucking shit

[LnGrrrR]

A vast majority of them don't bat an eye.

You really think that? Where are you pulling those statistics from?

[NoiNoiPinoy]

Certain things shouldn't even be up for discussion. This being one of them. You should always be legally allowed to get an abortion if you were raped. You could legally classify being forced to carry a rape pregnancy by law as both mental and physical torture. Every single day you're reminded about the day you were raped, and every day you look at your kid you're reminded of it. Of course, dumping your kid off at the local "Abandon and Go" orphanage/foster care agency is always the preferred option for insensitive bible thumpers who never had to live through that situation, not only destroying one life but statistically tarnishing the unwanted kid's life straight from birth.

Here here. It's easy to be true to an idealistic vision when its impossible for you to ever know how it devastating it would be to carry the child of the POS that raped you.

[Wild Cobra]

and..............you always spend time at the skanky strip joint you call the local watering hole...............gawking at girls your daughters age.



holy fucking shit

You really are a dipshit.

I do not go to skanky places. Maybe you should look that definition up.

You have no idea how little I frequent a "strip club." Your words are definitely a big exaggeration, but then, you are definitely a fool.

I really can't believe how much anyone like you is capable of talking out their ass. Stating false ideas as if they are true. You are worse than Boutons and Cosmored in that regard.

[redzero]

When it was by their irresponsible actions, I say too fucking bad.

I agree. It's like that one time this dumbfuck posted about how he creeped on a woman, then got mad when everybody started making fun of him. He should just suck it up and take responsibility for his actions.

[ChumpDumper]

the stupid bitchIt's a wonder you are still single.

[Wild Cobra]

I agree. It's like that one time this dumbfuck posted about how he creeped on a woman, then got mad when everybody started making fun of him. He should just suck it up and take responsibility for his actions.
LOL...

That dumfuck got mad because people were making it into something it wasn't. He now just see's it as other people's stupidity as not to be able to acknowledge facts, or that other people are just cyber bullies who are pathetic, and have to shit on others to make themselves feel better.

[Wild Cobra]

It's a wonder you are still single.
I'm single by choice. I currently have two women after me, trying to land me.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm single by choice. I currently have two stupid bitches after me, trying to land me.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm single by choice. I currently have two stupid bitches after me, trying to land me.
It's pretty pathetic when people have to resort to such things.

What is it? are you jealous?

Neither of them are dumb. I'm just not interested in them the same way. Both are beautiful and smart, and don't like most the shitheads they come across today. I'm not going to go into details, but both have parts in their personalities that I cannot stand on a daily basis.

[ChumpDumper]

It's pretty pathetic when people have to resort to such things.

What is it? are you jealous?

Neither of them are dumb. I'm just not interested in them the same way. Both are beautiful and smart, and don't like most the shitheads they come across today. I'm not going to go into details, but both have parts in their personalities that I cannot stand on a daily basis.:lmao

It's pretty pathetic when you resort to such things.

What is it? Are you insecure?

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao

It's pretty pathetic when you resort to such things.

What is it? Are you insecure?
Not like you apparently are.

Why do you shit on people? What type of demented personality do you have that makes you attack, without provocation?

I feel sorry for you as it must be the highlight of your day.

[ChumpDumper]

Not like you apparently are.

Why do you shit on people? What type of demented personality do you have that makes you attack, without provocation?

I feel sorry for you as it must be the highlight of your day.No, but meltdowns like yours are certainly entertaining.

I feel sorry for you as you are the most thin skinned person I don't know.

[Wild Cobra]

No, but meltdowns like yours are certainly entertaining.

I feel sorry for you as you are the most thin skinned person I don't know.
If you say so.

Why are they so entertaining? Do they make your life seem better than it really is?

Must be pretty pathetic life you have to enjoy seeing other people's pain.

[ChumpDumper]

If you say so.

Why are they so entertaining? Do they make your life seem better than it really is?

Must be pretty pathetic life you have to enjoy seeing other people's pain.You're in pain from this exchange?

Jesus.

That's really quite pathetic.

[Wild Cobra]

You're in pain from this exchange?

Jesus.

That's really quite pathetic.
I'm not in any pain at all. I'm just trying to understand your pain.

[coyotes_geek]

Do you only have one narrow viewpoints of libertarianism?


1.2 Personal Privacy

Libertarians support the rights recognized by the Fourth Amendment to be secure in our persons, homes, and property. Protection from unreasonable search and seizure should include records held by third parties, such as email, medical, and library records. Only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes. We favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes.

Since we're quoting from the Libertarian Party Platform, seems like this section might be germane to the discussion.........


1.4 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

[Wild Cobra]

Since we're quoting from the Libertarian Party Platform, seems like this section might be germane to the discussion.........
LOL...

I was wondering if that would come up, but I was waiting to see if Sperminator would find it.

Is anyone 100% of anything? I have never claimed to be all conservative or all libertarian. I am a mix of both.

It is sad the the position of not taking a stand, like the libertarian platform does, is is effectively considered pro abortion.

[jack sommerset]

I'm not in any pain at all. I'm just trying to understand your pain.

Its not so much understanding his pain it's accepting it. I believe this is the place he lets out his anger. That's a good thing. It beats yelling at his mom. I go play golf. Taking my frustration out on a golf ball is therapeutic for me as lashing out, trolling the st board is therapeutic for chump.

Chump is very close to a historical mark on Spurstalk. I'm proud of him. God bless

[coyotes_geek]

LOL...

I was wondering if that would come up, but I was waiting to see if Sperminator would find it.

Is anyone 100% of anything? I have never claimed to be all conservative or all libertarian. I am a mix of both.

It is sad the the position of not taking a stand, like the libertarian platform does, is is effectively considered pro abortion.

Actually yes, there are a bunch of people who are 100% of something. IMO the overwhelming majority of Americans pick blue or red team based on their position on one or two limited issues and then just go along with the team playbook for the rest.

[101A]

Its not so much understanding his pain it's accepting it. I believe this is the place he lets out his anger. That's a good thing. It beats yelling at his mom. I go play golf. Taking my frustration out on a golf ball is therapeutic for me as lashing out, trolling the st board is therapeutic for chump.

Chump is very close to a historical mark on Spurstalk. I'm proud of him. God bless


I have tried golf; induced MORE frustration/anger - not to mention a constant stream of replacing clubs I broke or through into ponds....

before children, when I could work on my game, fine; afterwards, for the past 19 years...only able to play (at most) once a month....gave it up for good.

...now I peruse threads on here; reading exchanges between Chump and WC can be quite cathartic.

[101A]

Actually yes, there are a bunch of people who are 100% of something. IMO the overwhelming majority of posters on this site pick blue or red team based on their position on one or two limited issues and then just go along with the team playbook for the rest.

fixed it.

[clambake]

Its not so much understanding his pain it's accepting it. I believe this is the place he lets out his anger. That's a good thing. It beats yelling at his mom. I go play golf. Taking my frustration out on a golf ball is therapeutic for me as lashing out, trolling the st board is therapeutic for chump.

Chump is very close to a historical mark on Spurstalk. I'm proud of him. God bless

poor golf ball. sorry to hear that god left you frustrated. maybe you should go with wc to the skanky place he talks about.

[coyotes_geek]

fixed it.

:lol :toast

[boutons_deux]

fixed it.

you broke it.

The Repug Southern Strategy since 1970 was to convert (poor) southern Dem racists to (moving up) southern Repug racists (single issue = blacks)

The Repug "Christian" strategy has been pro-life (with some "born again" fluff thrown in). (single issue = abortion )

[jack sommerset]

poor golf ball. sorry to hear that god left you frustrated. maybe you should go with wc to the skanky place he talks about.

Silly boy. God bless

[Yonivore]

You really think that? Where are you pulling those statistics from?
There's an element of nonchalance with anything that occurs 1.21 million times a year. There's a member of my extended family that just had her sixth.

Didn't.bat.an.eye.

I can't imagine that with 1.21 a year, there aren't more like her than there are of women who actually give it much thought. Otherwise, like I said, there'd be less of it and anti-abortion women would be more visible.

[Spurminator]

It is sad the the position of not taking a stand, like the libertarian platform does, is is effectively considered pro abortion.

But they are taking a stand. It says right there. Their stand is that it should be up to an individual.

"Pro abortion" isn't what anyone who is pro choice calls themselves. So we're not the ones considering libertarians pro abortion. That's your vernacular.

[Blake]

I'm not in any pain at all. I'm just trying to understand your pain.

liar

[CosmicCowboy]

There's an element of nonchalance with anything that occurs 1.21 million times a year. There's a member of my extended family that just had her sixth.

Didn't.bat.an.eye.

I can't imagine that with 1.21 a year, there aren't more like her than there are of women who actually give it much thought. Otherwise, like I said, there'd be less of it and anti-abortion women would be more visible.

To me, birthing SIX children in this day and age is a lot more irresponsible than making the informed decision to have an abortion. Unless they are mega-wealthy (and people that choose to have 6 children typically aren't) There is no fucking way they can give those 6 kids adequate financial support to assist them into the transition into adulthood. Being a good parent to your child is fucking expensive.

[CosmicCowboy]

I have never made less than a six figure income since I was in my 20's and raising two kids was about all I could afford.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

To me, birthing SIX children in this day and age is a lot more irresponsible than making the informed decision to have an abortion.
I couldn't agree with this enough. One of the most hypocritical things I've ever seen is someone I know who drives a Prius and whines about how little other people care about global warming and shit......yet she has 5 kids. I guess the very same scientists warning us about global warming also warning us about the world's unsustainable population growth doesn't matter to her.

[leemajors]

One kid is a 200k investment on its own, to paraphrase Doug Stanhope.

[boutons_deux]

Other countries, with less than replacement birth rates, have bonuses and subsidies until a kid is 18 years old, not because they love kids, but because they need the demographic leveling those kids provide as taxpayers and pension contributors.

In USA, we can't even get, unique among industrial countries, even one day of pregnancy leave, which is as inhumane as 2 weeks holiday and an unlivable minimum wage . The UCA keeps their intimidated employees' noses to the grindstone.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You shouldn't receive bonuses and subsidies for having a kid.

If you aren't financially capable of raising a kid, then you shouldn't have a kid.

[boutons_deux]

You shouldn't receive bonuses and subsidies for having a kid.

If you aren't financially capable of raising a kid, then you shouldn't have a kid.

The payments are a long way from paying for kid, but 3rd and later kids (above replacement, assuming there'll be jobs for them) get a much better payment.

So deciding to have a kid is a "business decision" rather than one of love and the species' need to regenerate? The Business of America is Business.

[Yonivore]

To me, birthing SIX children in this day and age is a lot more irresponsible than making the informed decision to have an abortion. Unless they are mega-wealthy (and people that choose to have 6 children typically aren't) There is no fucking way they can give those 6 kids adequate financial support to assist them into the transition into adulthood. Being a good parent to your child is fucking expensive.
Who says she would have had six kids if the first abortion has been illegal?

Perhaps, she would have become more responsible in spreading her legs.

[boutons_deux]

"she would have become more responsible in spreading her legs"

typical right wing fucktard pushing the Repug War on Women

(ie, it's only the woman's responsibility)

[coyotes_geek]

So deciding to have a kid is a "business decision" rather than one of love and the species' need to regenerate? The Business of America is Business.


Other countries, with less than replacement birth rates, have bonuses and subsidies until a kid is 18 years old, not because they love kids, but because they need the demographic leveling those kids provide as taxpayers and pension contributors.

:wakeup

[ElNono]

Perhaps, she would have become more responsible in spreading her legs.

:lol this is the hilarious part in all this... people like Yoni that think other people will stop having sex...

[Yonivore]

:lol this is the hilarious part in all this... people like Yoni that think other people will stop having sex...
Or, practice effective contraception, subject themselves to sterilization, etc...

I have no illusions about the carnal nature of humans.

[boutons_deux]

:wakeup

the govt's need for demographic levelling of tax/pension payers (and consumers) is totally different from a couples' desire to have children.

From what I know, the govt payment is not anywhere near enough to justify having a child, esp the first two, but every little bit helps.

[djohn2oo8]

Who says she would have had six kids if the first abortion has been illegal?

Perhaps, she would have become more responsible in spreading her legs.

So Yoni thinks a woman is responsible for being raped.

[CosmicCowboy]

In USA, we can't even get, unique among industrial countries, even one day of pregnancy leave, which is as inhumane as 2 weeks holiday and an unlivable minimum wage . The UCA keeps their intimidated employees' noses to the grindstone.


:lmao

FMLA says Hi!

[leemajors]

:lol Eunuchvore

[Yonivore]

So Yoni thinks a woman is responsible for being raped.
Are all 1.21 million abortions performed on rape and incest victims? No. The vast majority of abortions are performed on women who had consensual sex and either did not use contraception or their contraception method failed.

[coyotes_geek]

the govt's need for demographic levelling of tax/pension payers (and consumers) is totally different from a couples' desire to have children.

From what I know, the govt payment is not anywhere near enough to justify having a child, esp the first two, but every little bit helps.

Right, I got it. These other governments are making a business decision. In order to keep giving money away there needs to be an adequate supply of subjects to take it from.

business decisions = ok elsewhere = not ok here

[djohn2oo8]

Are all 1.21 million abortions performed on rape and incest victims? No. The vast majority of abortions are performed on women who had consensual sex and either did not use contraception or their contraception method failed.

So those who are pregnant from rape shouldnt have a choice because of others who get pregnant from dumb decisions? That makes a ton of sense.

[ElNono]

Or, practice effective contraception, subject themselves to sterilization, etc...

Are you going to invent this infallible 'effective contraception'?

[djohn2oo8]

It's funny that those who want to ban abortion also support the death penalty generally speaking.

[Yonivore]

Are you going to invent this infallible 'effective contraception'?
That's not my problem, I don't have sex with people with whom I don't want children and, when I was done having children with my spouse, I made sure there wouldn't be any more.

Why are you making excuses for promiscuity? Or, are you suggesting the vast majority of those abortions were performed on women that used contraception that simply failed.

What are the fail rates on the various types of contraception and let's apply that number to the 1.21 million abortions every year.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not in any pain at all. I'm just trying to understand your pain.


Its not so much understanding his pain it's accepting it. I believe this is the place he lets out his anger. That's a good thing. It beats yelling at his mom. I go play golf. Taking my frustration out on a golf ball is therapeutic for me as lashing out, trolling the st board is therapeutic for chump.

Chump is very close to a historical mark on Spurstalk. I'm proud of him. God blessYour whining is as rewarding as it is predictable.

Ron bless.

[Yonivore]

It's funny that those who want to ban abortion also support the death penalty generally speaking.
It's funny how those that favor abortion want to make an innocent child out to be a capital criminal deserving to die.

[CosmicCowboy]

That's not my problem, I don't have sex with people with whom I don't want children and, when I was done having children with my spouse, I made sure there wouldn't be any more.

Why are you making excuses for promiscuity? Or, are you suggesting the vast majority of those abortions were performed on women that used contraception that simply failed.

What are the fail rates on the various types of contraception and let's apply that number to the 1.21 million abortions every year.

considering a failure rate of 1%+ and a population of 330 million+ I suspect quite a few were from contraception failure.

[djohn2oo8]

It's funny how those that favor abortion want to make an innocent child out to be a capital criminal deserving to die.

So predictable. :lol I'm not making it out to be anything. Just that you're not really pro life once the baby is born.

[ElNono]

That's not my problem

When you start demanding other people to conduct their sex lives up to *your* standards it becomes your problem.

[boutons_deux]

I don't favor abortion, hate it, but what do YOU propose to do about 1.2M/year in USA?

And it is YOUR problem, since YOU want to criminalize it.

[ElNono]

considering a failure rate of 1%+ and a population of 330 million+ I suspect quite a few were from contraception failure.

ding ding ding...

[CosmicCowboy]

It's funny how those that favor abortion want to make an innocent child out to be a capital criminal deserving to die.

Yonni...please! you are being embarrassingly dumb on your wild attacks.

[Yonivore]

ding ding ding...
What percentage then sought an abortion?

With an estimated 1.21 million abortions per year and 3.3 million pregnancies occurring due to failed contraception, that means (using your numbers) more than half do not have an abortion. And that's assuming 100% of the non-rape, non-incest abortions resulted from failed contraception.

Seems to me the a clear majority of women choose not to abort, even in cases of failed contraception.

Clearly, there's an alternative to murdering babies.

[Drachen]

It's funny how those that favor abortion want to make an innocent child out to be a capital criminal deserving to die.

I would posit that there are not many here that favor abortion.

[mrsmaalox]

Are you going to invent this infallible 'effective contraception'?

Well he sure as hell ain't going to pay for any of it!!

[Yonivore]

I would posit that there are not many here that favor abortion.
I would posit there are even fewer that can actually distinguish between an innocent child and a guilty capital criminal.

[Yonivore]

Well he sure as hell ain't going to pay for any of it!!
Why should I?

[djohn2oo8]

I would posit there are even fewer that can actually distinguish between an innocent child and a guilty capital criminal.

Life is still being taken. You cant say one thing is murder and not the other which purposefully ends life.

[Yonivore]

Life is still being taken. You cant say one thing is murder and not the other which purposefully ends life.
I will say they're both homicide. One justifiable, one not.

[ElNono]

What percentage then sought an abortion?

What does that has to do with contraception effectiveness?


With an estimated 1.21 million abortions per year and 3.3 million pregnancies occurring due to failed contraception, that means (using your numbers) more than half do not have an abortion.

Where did you get that 3.3 million number from? CC said the failure rate is 1%+ and we have a 330+ million population. Woman make up for roughly half of that (50.8% according to the last census)... From that you also have to remove the very young and the elderly.


Seems to me the a clear majority of women choose not to abort, even in cases of failed contraception.

Seems to me your math is kinda fuzzy.

[djohn2oo8]

I will say they're both homicide. One justifiable, one not.

:lol Moving the goalposts.
:lol not really pro life

[boutons_deux]

32k/year of rape victims get pregnant.

Yoni has no problem with USA murdering and causing the 100Ks deaths of foreigners and US military to grab, eg, Iraqi oil on false pretenses.

[Drachen]

I would posit there are even fewer that can actually distinguish between an innocent child and a guilty capital criminal.

and even fewer still who can distinguish between an zygote/embryo/fetus and a child.

[Blake]

I will say they're both homicide. One justifiable, one not.

Next time you jack off, make sure you turn yourself in.

Capital murder, imo.

[LnGrrrR]

There's an element of nonchalance with anything that occurs 1.21 million times a year. There's a member of my extended family that just had her sixth.

An element is now a majority?


I can't imagine that with 1.21 a year, there aren't more like her than there are of women who actually give it much thought. Otherwise, like I said, there'd be less of it and anti-abortion women would be more visible.

I'm sure there are more. But it would take 600K women to not bat an eye for it to be a majority. Do you think that many women don't care?

Also, if I might ask, at what portion of the pregnancy did she get an abortion?

[djohn2oo8]

Next time you jack off, make sure you turn yourself in.

Capital murder, imo.

:lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So deciding to have a kid is a "business decision" rather than one of love and the species' need to regenerate? The Business of America is Business.
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao "species' need to regenerate". That's possibly dumber than anything Wild Cobra has ever said in this forum.

the world's population recently reached 7 billion and it goes up everyday. Pretending humans need government subsidies to reproduce enough in order to avoid extinction is 100000000x more retarded than any mythical problem conservatives cook up to promote their agenda (voter fraud, etc.).

And yeah, if you wanna demonize the word business by calling a huge financial commitment a "business decision" then do it if you think that changes something. The fact you think the government should worry about someone's financial obligation that comes with having a kid is everything that is wrong with the Democratic party.

[Spurminator]

Or, practice effective contraception, subject themselves to sterilization, etc...

I have no illusions about the carnal nature of humans.


...until the discussion turns to abstinence only education, I'm guessing.

That's the part of the conservative platform that confuses me the most. If 1.21MM dead unborn infants was so unacceptable to you, I would think you'd want to fight the problem from every angle possible. But the potential for kids having more sex if they're taught how to use protection apparently is a greater threat than the loss of unborn children.

[mrsmaalox]

Why should I?

Why should you? Well because your contribution might actually make a difference to prevent the cold hearted murder of some of those precious innocent lives you are so adamant in saving. It says a lot that your devotion to this thing you hold so sacred goes only as far as lip service paid from behind a computer keyboard.

[LnGrrrR]

32k/year of rape victims get pregnant.

Yoni has no problem with USA murdering and causing the 100Ks deaths of foreigners and US military to grab, eg, Iraqi oil on false pretenses.

Those Iraqi children weren't innocent though! They had terrorist dads! Or maybe they were at a family gathering where a cousin was a terrorist... or maybe it was collateral damage. Who cares? They were born already, and that's the important part.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's funny that those who want to ban abortion also support the death penalty generally speaking.
And every war neoconservatives cook up :lol

[LnGrrrR]

:cry :cry If those children had been aborted, they wouldn't have even been around to be bombed! :cry :cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I will say they're both homicide. One justifiable, one not.
According to the bible neither one is justifiable. Supporting capital punishment is going against the bible no ifs ands or buts about it.

Then again, being against slavery is also going against the bible :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cry :cry If those children had been aborted, they wouldn't have even been around to be bombed! :cry :cry
:cry:cry our carpet bombs gave those Iraqis a holy Christian death :cry:cry

:cry:cry they're now in heaven because they were carpet bombed by Christians :cry:cry

[coyotes_geek]

Those Iraqi children weren't innocent though! They had terrorist dads! Or maybe they were at a family gathering where a cousin was a terrorist... or maybe it was collateral damage. Who cares? They were born already, and that's the important part.

Apparently it's a sin to be born and once you're a sinner, game on motherfucker!!!!

[ElNono]

Did we get to "only baby mamas get abortions" yet?

[resistanze]

:cry :cry If those children had been aborted, they wouldn't have even been around to be bombed! :cry :cry

:rollin

[Drachen]

According to the bible neither one is justifiable. Supporting capital punishment is going against the bible no ifs ands or buts about it.


well, it is going against the bible except where the bible commands you to kill people.

[resistanze]

:lol Pro-life until the baby is born and is black.

"KILL IT! KILL IT! DRAIN ON SOCIETY!"

[ElNono]

It's coming...


Where does the Bible say 'Thou shall not carpet bomb?'

[coyotes_geek]

well, it is going against the bible except where the bible commands you to kill people.

sinners don't count as people.

[coyotes_geek]

It's coming...

:lol

Carpet bombing is very libertarian.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol

Carpet bombing is very libertarian.
:lmao

[Spurminator]

It's funny that those who want to ban abortion also support the death penalty generally speaking.

Oh it's actually perfectly compatible with their beliefs, even if they won't admit it. The abortion argument, while framed around their desire to protect innocent life, is really about justice for women who have sex. So from that POV, it aligns completely with their desire for justice on other "criminals."

If it were about innocent life, they'd be doing everything they can to equip people with the knowledge and ability to prevent unwanted pregnancies from beginning in the first place. Condoms in schools. Contraceptive education. Free birth control for everyone.

But they're so stuck in the mindset that sex is bad, and so disgusted by the reality that people have sex with people they're not ready to have kids with, that they would sacrifice those innocent lives in favor of a ridiculous hope that they can prevent people from having sex by telling them not to.

[mrsmaalox]

:lol Pro-life until the baby is born and is black.

"KILL IT! KILL IT! DRAIN ON SOCIETY!"

Exactly. "WE won't stand for an irresponsible "stupid bitch" who can't keep her legs closed to murder an innocent unborn child! But once that kid is born, it can just starve to death because it's not our responsibility!" smh

[djohn2oo8]

Yoni has been lurking in this thread for quite some time now. :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's also funny that all Mitt Romney has to do is say a few sanctimonious things that align with prolife views and every bible thumper out there is convinced he genuinely cares about banning abortion and saving unborn fetuses.

If you think Mitt Romney actually believes abortion is murder and think he will make an effort to reverse Roe v. Wade (ya know, since the last Republican president took so much action in the matter), there's some beach property in Nebraska you might be really interested in buying :lmao

People who still think Republican candidates care about ending abortion and don't just say stuff in order to pander to the religious right are clueless. Mitt Romney is about as pro-life as I am.

[scott]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/223988_10151103579849780_699686132_n.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Ryan on abortion exceptions: Rape is just another ‘method of conception’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/24/ryan-on-abortion-exceptions-rape-is-just-another-method-of-conception/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29&utm_content=Google+Reader

[Spurminator]

IMO the "rape" exception is really just a cop out. I don't see any argument for allowing abortion as an exception for rape victims.

If it really is all about the innocent life inside a woman's womb, then why is the life created by rape any less sacred than the life created by consensual sex?

I honestly think it's an unnecessary tangent for both sides. If you're pro-choice, the primary issue is government interference on what is happening inside a person's body. If you're pro-life, it's about the law protecting the life inside of that person's body.

Pro-choicers using the rape scenario as an argument are giving credence to the idea that a woman somehow loses her right to control what happens to her body if she has unprotected sex. Pro-lifers giving exception to rape victims are basically putting unborn children in a class system where some are protected by law while others aren't.

[scott]

Ryan on abortion exceptions: Rape is just another ‘method of conception’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/24/ryan-on-abortion-exceptions-rape-is-just-another-method-of-conception/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29&utm_content=Google+Reader

Makes sense, tbh. Afterall, Rape gave us Jesus Christ, right?

[leemajors]

You didn't rape that.

[ElNono]

IMO the "rape" exception is really just a cop out. I don't see any argument for allowing abortion as an exception for rape victims.

If you subscribe to the "sanctity of life" boondoggle, probably.

[CosmicCowboy]

Makes sense, tbh. Afterall, Rape gave us Jesus Christ, right?

Sheesh. Divine rape is different!

[CuckingFunt]

Makes sense, tbh. Afterall, Rape gave us Jesus Christ, right?

Immaculate rape.

[Ashy Larry]

the only thing that needs to be redefined is statutory ...... if an 18 year old and a 17 year old do the do, it's considered rape. I mean my moms and pops got down when he was 20 and she was 17. So basically pops raped moms. Sounds fucked up until you look deeper into the shit. They've been married for 47 years ..........

[Homeland Security]

Immaculate rape.
Now I finally understand the "miraculous" aspect. The Holy Spirit miraculously disabled her vaginal rape-shield.

[jack sommerset]

Makes sense, tbh. Afterall, Rape gave us Jesus Christ, right?

Placing a baby in the virgin Mary's womb is not rape. God bless

[Blake]

Makes sense, tbh. Afterall, Rape gave us Jesus Christ, right?

Magic rape is legit

[Blake]

Placing a baby in the virgin Mary's womb is not rape. God bless

what would you call placing divine semen in her without her consent?

[scott]

The part where Mary consented must have been lost in translation.

[Wild Cobra]

Other countries, with less than replacement birth rates, have bonuses and subsidies until a kid is 18 years old, not because they love kids, but because they need the demographic leveling those kids provide as taxpayers and pension contributors.

Where is this at?

[Blake]

There used to be a stigma involved with carelessly having children. Now, it's trendy, and at one time a few years back... a fad... The stigma aspect needs to return. People need to feel shame for such actions and let the shame be a deterrent to being careless. It used to be that families would take care of each other. Now when you have generations of families living off welfare, it's even harder to deter such problems..

where is this at?

[Wild Cobra]

where is this at?
Where?

Here, in our ages past. In the 50's and 60's it was shameful to have a kid out of wedlock. Shameful if you couldn't provide for your own family. That has slowly changed over the years, and now people feel entitled instead of shame.

[Blake]

Where?

Here, in our ages past. In the 50's and 60's it was shameful to have a kid out of wedlock. Shameful if you couldn't provide for your own family. That has slowly changed over the years, and now people feel entitled instead of shame.

no, the trendy part. I'd like to see numbers showing how trendy it is nowadays to carelessly have kids out of wedlock.

I'd also like to see the numbers on how many people feel entitled vs shameful.

thanks.

[Wild Cobra]

no, the trendy part. I'd like to see numbers showing how trendy it is nowadays to carelessly have kids out of wedlock.

I'd also like to see the numbers on how many people feel entitled vs shameful.

thanks.
Sorry, but that's about a decade to two back now. I'm not going to look that up, and it might not be linked on the internet

[Blake]

I'm not going to look that up

I know.

Ass talking is your thing.

[Wild Cobra]

I know.

Ass talking is your thing.
No, it's just you aren't important to me at all, so why should I waste my time for you?

[jack sommerset]

the part where mary consented must have been lost in translation.

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[Blake]

No, it's just you aren't important to me at all, so why should I waste my time for you?

you don't have to do anything you don't want to.

If you want to continue to play hypocritical jackass and keep your crown as the undisputed forum fucknut, go right ahead. Nothing new.

[Wild Cobra]

you don't have to do anything you don't want to.

If you want to continue to play hypocritical jackass and keep your crown as the undisputed forum fucknut, go right ahead. Nothing new.
Are you looking in a mirror?

[Blake]

Are you looking in a mirror?

I'm looking square at you, jackass.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm looking square at you, jackass.
Keep practicing in that mirror.

Who's your agent?

[Nbadan]

http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2012/08/5032803ca3519.png

[Yonivore]

For those who think they're taking up for women by proclaiming to be Pro-Choice, Pro-Life vs. Pro-Abortion doesn't appear to be gender based, according to a series of Gallup polls conducted in successive years.

Abortion and the Gender Gap: the Numbers (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/314640/abortion-and-gender-gap-numbers-ramesh-ponnuru)


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Watching some television chatter the other night, I heard a guest say, and the host agree, that abortion is an important reason for the “gender gap” between the parties. I was aware that polling had generally not found big differences between men and women in attitudes toward abortion policy. But I hadn’t checked the numbers in a few years. What, I wondered, did the recent evidence show?

So I contacted Gallup. As I expected, there hasn’t generally been a large gap between men and women on the “pro-life” vs. “pro-choice” question. In 2007, they found 46 percent of men and 45 percent of women calling themselves “pro-life.” In 2011, the numbers were 46 and 44. The most recent data point we have, though, from 2012, does show a bigger gap than usual: 53 percent of men and 46 percent of women identified as “pro-life” in Gallup’s 2012 poll. (Both men and women were more likely to call themselves “pro-life” than “pro-choice.”) This could, however, be a blip. Check in next year.

[Drachen]

The cool thing is that pro-choice encompasses the other (not really pro-life, but we will call it such for brevity).

[Yonivore]

The cool thing is that pro-choice encompasses the other (not really pro-life, but we will call it such for brevity).
And, still, fewer women are "Pro-Choice" than "Pro-Life."

[Drachen]

No being pro-choice means you can choose not to abort... They are under the umbrella.

[Yonivore]

No being pro-choice means you can choose not to abort... They are under the umbrella.
Are you suggesting some of the women who answered "Pro-Life" are actually not opposed to abortion but could, just as easily, be classified as "Pro-Choice?" I would think the poll construction would have considered that.

The way I read your statement is that all "Pro-Life" women are opposed to abortions and that there may be a percentage of "Pro-Choice" women that oppose abortion but wouldn't oppose it if someone else made the decision.

Because, to read it the other way, I would have thought the pollster would have labeled the smaller group as "Pro-Abortion."

[Drachen]

I am suggesting that they are opposed to abortion and can choose not to partake. I am glad that they have the opportunity to take advantage of being pro-choice, it would be horrible if they had no choice and were forced to have an abortion.

[coyotes_geek]

http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2012/08/5032803ca3519.png

:lol

[Yonivore]

I think this should also lay to rest the canard that opposition to abortion is somehow a manifestation of some "War on Women." When 46% of women oppose abortion, you can't just explain it away as "Internalized Oppression," like someone in this forum did yesterday.

[Yonivore]

I am suggesting that they are opposed to abortion and can choose not to partake. I am glad that they have the opportunity to take advantage of being pro-choice, it would be horrible if they had no choice and were forced to have an abortion.
So, as I was saying, there's a larger percentage of women who oppose abortion than favor it.

[boutons_deux]

"there's a larger percentage of women who oppose abortion than favor it."

many of who have had abortions, or their mothers, sisters, daughters, friends have had abortions.

[Drachen]

So, as I was saying, there's a larger percentage of women who oppose abortion than favor it.

And?

they are all in the same camp, some chose one way, some chose another.


Well, I guess maybe you are correct, it is a little disingenuous to group them in the same category since, although one group is happy to have been able to choose their path (being against abortion), they really don't want to extend that courtesy to others. Yet many of them really aren't pro-life either so that is also a disingenous moniker... Ok, so I guess we can call one camp Pro-Choice and the other camp Anti-choice, or we could go with the inclusives versus oppressives? Eh, I think so we don't politicize it too much, we should go with the former.

[Drachen]

"there's a larger percentage of women who oppose abortion than favor it."

many of who have had abortions, or their mothers, sisters, daughters, friends have had abortions.

Come on, you can't possibly think that this is a real argument or adds ANYTHING to the conversation can you?

[CosmicCowboy]

So, as I was saying, there's a larger percentage of women who oppose abortion than favor it.

This is probably true at a personal level, but change the question to "do you want to force your choice on other women?" and that majority crumbles.

As someone already stated, the pro-life movement is mislabeled. It should be called the no choice movement.

[Yonivore]

This is probably true at a personal level, but change the question to "do you want to force your choice on other women?" and that majority crumbles.
I think you're wrong. I think the 46% on under the "Pro-Life" banner believe abortion should be illegal.


As someone already stated, the pro-life movement is mislabeled. It should be called the no choice movement.
Except that those who hold that position believe abortion takes the life of an innocent child. That's not a choice that should be condoned.

[Yonivore]

The last time Gallup asked questions about the circumstances under which abortion should be legal was in 2011. There was no consistent gender gap in the results. Men were slightly more likely to take the pro-choice side on some questions: more likely than women to say that abortion should be legal when the mother’s life is in danger, when her physical health was threatened, when the pregnancy resulted from rape or incest, and in the second and third trimesters; less likely to favor mandatory ultrasound laws, or waiting periods, or parental consent.

On other questions, though, it was women who tilted slightly more pro-choice, or less pro-life. They were less likely than men to support bans on partial-birth abortion. They were more likely to think abortion should be legal when the child is physically impaired, or when the parents cannot afford a child (or another one), or in the first trimester. A combined 59 percent of men said that abortion should be legal either in no circumstances or in only a few; 56 percent of women chose those responses.

Women were slightly more likely than men to take polarized views — more likely, that is, to say either that abortion should be illegal in all circumstances or that it should be legal under all circumstances.
In any case, claiming opposition to abortion is either a manifestation of the "War on Women" or "internal oppression," doesn't appear to be true.

In fact, self-identified conservatives number less than the percentage of women who are opposed to abortion. That means Independents and maybe a few Democrats (Likely Catholics and African-Americans) hold that view.

As important is that of the women in all political camps, Democrat "Pro-Choice" women seem to be the most strident about their position.

Bottom line, it's a losing issue for Democrats and I'm happy they've turned their convention into a referendum on the faux "War on Women."

It was fucking hilarious when Dennis Miller called Sandra Fluke the "Moan of Arc" on Leno the other night.

[ploto]

The problem with the label is that many people who call themselves pro-life actually are not. First, of course, are those who support the death penalty. If you are pro-life because you oppose the taking of life, then you should be against the death penalty. In some senses the death penalty is even worse because the state is killing someone in your name. In abortion, the state is not forcing it upon anyone. Before anyone chimes in with the whole innocent life bit, if you are pro-life then you support life period. Life does not have degrees of value. If an embryo is life, then so is a criminal.

Most of all, however, pro-life means you are for something-- not simply against abortion. It means that you are for all things that support the value of life- such as feeding the starving and providing health care to the sick. In reality, if you take in all the issues that encompass supporting life, the Democratic party (yes I said it) supports more of them than the Republican party.

[RandomGuy]

And the solution is to keep on sending more?

Plus there's a line between idiocy and flat out ignorance. This guy walked way past it. This is probably up there with "the internet is a series of tubes"...

You won't get Yonivore to admit anything any Republican has said or done as wrong.

Republicanscandonowrongitis has infected large swaths of the country, or so I hear.

[Drachen]

You won't get Yonivore to admit anything any Republican has said or done as wrong.

Republicanscandonowrongitis has infected large swaths of the country, or so I hear.

I haven't seen you in a while, have you been mainlining MSNBC? I heard that you put those things in your eyes to keep them open so that you wont miss any msnbc.

[Yonivore]

The problem with the label is that many people who call themselves pro-life actually are not. First, of course, are those who support the death penalty. If you are pro-life because you oppose the taking of life, then you should be against the death penalty. In some senses the death penalty is even worse because the state is killing someone in your name. In abortion, the state is not forcing it upon anyone. Before anyone chimes in with the whole innocent life bit, if you are pro-life then you support life period. Life does not have degrees of value. If an embryo is life, then so is a criminal.

Most of all, however, pro-life means you are for something-- not simply against abortion. It means that you are for all things that support the value of life- such as feeding the starving and providing health care to the sick. In reality, if you take in all the issues that encompass supporting life, the Democratic party (yes I said it) supports more of them than the Republican party.
I'm happy with the term "Anti-Abortion" but, for reasons that are beyond me, "Pro-Life" is the term used to describe people that are opposed to abortion. Talk to the labelers, not the Anti-Abortion crowd.

And, you're being disingenuous to suggest the "Pro-Life" moniker has ever included the death penalty discussion.

[Yonivore]

You won't get Yonivore to admit anything any Republican has said or done as wrong.
That idiot Akin was wrong.

George W. Bush and most other conservatives are wrong to continue the asinine war on drugs.


Republicanscandonowrongitis has infected large swaths of the country, or so I hear.
More like Obamaisafuckingdisasteritis.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm happy with the term "Anti-Abortion" but, for reasons that are beyond me, "Pro-Life" is the term used to describe people that are opposed to abortion. Talk to the labelers, not the Anti-Abortion crowd.

And, you're being disingenuous to suggest the "Pro-Life" moniker has ever included the death penalty discussion.

The point was still valid. There is no scientific question that the death row inmate is viable before he is killed.

[RandomGuy]

That idiot Akin was wrong.

George W. Bush and most other conservatives are wrong to continue the asinine war on drugs.


More like Obamaisafuckingdisasteritis.

What do you think it says about the Republican party that this guy seems to hold a fairly common view that not only has no scientific evidence to support it, but the scientific evidence we do have directly contradicts it?

What about the Republicans who think the earth is only 6,000 years old?

What do you think of them?

[leemajors]

well, a lot can happen in 6000 years

[RandomGuy]

well, a lot can happen in 6000 years

True.

Yonivore and other right-wing extremists being honest and/or fair, won't be part of that set of events though.

[Yonivore]

The point was still valid. There is no scientific question that the death row inmate is viable before he is killed.
The points not valid. The label "Pro-Life" was created in the context of the abortion debate as a counter to "Pro-Choice." If you want to drag capital punishment into an abortion debate, you can relabel me (and, most probably other "Pro-Life" advocates) as "Anti-Abortion."

[Yonivore]

What do you think it says about the Republican party that this guy seems to hold a fairly common view that not only has no scientific evidence to support it, but the scientific evidence we do have directly contradicts it?
Actually, I don't think it's a "fairly common view" that a woman's body is capable of "shutting down" the conception process in the case of rape.

I think Akin's statement is inaccurate and was a stupid thing to say.

I also think Akin's statement was a butchered way of expressing an idea that is a bit more common (if not "fairly common") that acute stress can prevent conception.

His idiotic remark about "legitimate rape" causing a woman's body to "shut down" the conception process is probably born of the idea that acute stress can prevent conception.

Still, he should have never opened his mouth. And, I certainly don't ascribe to the notion that abortion should be avoided because the woman's body takes care of the conception in cases of "legitimate" (probably meaning forcible) rape.

So, No, I don't think Akin's statement is a commonly held view by anyone -- Republicans included.


What about the Republicans who think the earth is only 6,000 years old?

What do you think of them?
I think they're wrong.

[101A]

...and then there's this:

Anti-Obama Abortion Ad (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/sba-list-to-launch-missouri-ads-against-obama-on-abortion-133435.html)

[boutons_deux]

...and then there's this:

Anti-Obama Abortion Ad (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/sba-list-to-launch-missouri-ads-against-obama-on-abortion-133435.html)

Why didn't they use a much more representative obese, inarticulate, red-neck Wal-Mart People in a trailer park?

[101A]

Why didn't they use a much more representative obese, inarticulate, red-neck Wal-Mart People in a trailer park?

Are they all the result of failed abortions?

I suspected, but didn't know for sure.

[Yonivore]

...and then there's this:

Anti-Obama Abortion Ad (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/sba-list-to-launch-missouri-ads-against-obama-on-abortion-133435.html)
:tu Powerful ad, thanks for posting.

[Yonivore]

Are they all the result of failed abortions?

I suspected, but didn't know for sure.
:lmao

[ElNono]

...and then there's this:

Anti-Obama Abortion Ad (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/sba-list-to-launch-missouri-ads-against-obama-on-abortion-133435.html)

I bet Barry is loving this stuff...

[RandomGuy]

Actually, I don't think it's a "fairly common view" that a woman's body is capable of "shutting down" the conception process in the case of rape.

I think Akin's statement is inaccurate and was a stupid thing to say.

I also think Akin's statement was a butchered way of expressing an idea that is a bit more common (if not "fairly common") that acute stress can prevent conception.

His idiotic remark about "legitimate rape" causing a woman's body to "shut down" the conception process is probably born of the idea that acute stress can prevent conception.

Still, he should have never opened his mouth. And, I certainly don't ascribe to the notion that abortion should be avoided because the woman's body takes care of the conception in cases of "legitimate" (probably meaning forcible) rape.

So, No, I don't think Akin's statement is a commonly held view by anyone -- Republicans included.


I think they're wrong.

I didn't ask you your opinion on whether you think they are correct or not.

I asked you what you think about the rather large swath of Republicanists who seem to eschew basic scientific facts when forming opinions.

Is it a good thing to base your politics and public policy solutions on beliefs that are provably laughable, given the vast amount of evidence to the contrary?

Yes or no will do.

[101A]

I didn't ask you your opinion on whether you think they are correct or not.

I asked you what you think about the rather large swath of Republicanists who seem to eschew basic scientific facts when forming opinions.

Is it a good thing to base your politics and public policy solutions on beliefs that are provably laughable, given the vast amount of evidence to the contrary?

Yes or no will do.

Went and looked at a Christian school for our youngest (7th grader).

Specifically asked to see the science textbooks:

(paraphrasing)


We, the Science Faculty of Bob Jones University believe the Bible to be the true unerring Word of God, literally written. If we observe something that appears to disagree with the bible therefore, we understand that what we are seeing is an illusion; since the Bible is unerring.

So, to answer your question, good or not, there are certainly people who DO - and they even write in text books that they are doing it; and no matter what you, me, or EVIDENCE says, they aren't going to change their minds.

We gave the books back. Our son is still in the sucky public school.

[RandomGuy]

Actually, I don't think it's a "fairly common view" that a woman's body is capable of "shutting down" the conception process in the case of rape.

Ok, fine.

It isn't a "fairly common view".

It certainly is a recurring idea among some circles of the Republican party, Mr. Akin included.

Why has the Republican party not disowned these asshats prior to now?

You don't see it, but I see, once again, the stink of groupthink where suppression of debate so that a unified face can be presented takes priority over getting at the truth.

You want me to find a few quotes from Republicans to the effect of "don't criticize the party or other Republicans" to support this?



This stinky shit is always there, swimming in the toilet bowl of extreme right-wing politics.

The only reason any of you give rat's ass now, is that you so committed to winning the presidency at all costs.

If it didn't hurt you in the polls, I genuinely don't think you or the rest of the GOP establshiment would care.

[101A]

Ok, fine.

It isn't a "fairly common view".

It certainly is a recurring idea among some circles of the Republican party, Mr. Akin included.

Why has the Republican party not disowned these asshats prior to now?

You don't see it, but I see, once again, the stink of groupthink where suppression of debate so that a unified face can be presented takes priority over getting at the truth.

You want me to find a few quotes from Republicans to the effect of "don't criticize the party or other Republicans" to support this?



This stinky shit is always there, swimming in the toilet bowl of extreme right-wing politics.

The only reason any of you give rat's ass now, is that you so committed to winning the presidency at all costs.

If it didn't hurt you in the polls, I genuinely don't think you or the rest of the GOP establshiment would care.

I, honestly, had NEVER heard this claim about Rape/Conception before; and I'm on some pretty wack mailing lists; and have LOTS of relatives that listen to Limbaugh.

Seriously, not saying you haven't seen it, but you must be running in some unique circles.

[RandomGuy]

Went and looked at a Christian school for our youngest (7th grader).

Specifically asked to see the science textbooks:

(paraphrasing)



So, to answer your question, good or not, there are certainly people who DO - and they even write in text books that they are doing it; and no matter what you, me, or EVIDENCE says, they aren't going to change their minds.

We gave the books back. Our son is still in the sucky public school.

These are the people who are writing the party platform.

These are the people who are getting elected to textbook selection committees.

These are the people that I see the GOP giving the keys to.

[Yonivore]

I didn't ask you your opinion on whether you think they are correct or not.
You weren't specific, you simply asked what I thought of them. I think people who believe the earth is only 6,000 years old are wrong. That's what I think of them.


I asked you what you think about the rather large swath of Republicanists who seem to eschew basic scientific facts when forming opinions.

Is it a good thing to base your politics and public policy solutions on beliefs that are provably laughable, given the vast amount of evidence to the contrary?

Yes or no will do.
Well, that's not what you asked and I'd ask you to prove that belief is held by a "large swath of Republicans" because, I reject the premise.

[Yonivore]

Ok, fine.

It isn't a "fairly common view".

It certainly is a recurring idea among some circles of the Republican party, Mr. Akin included.

Why has the Republican party not disowned these asshats prior to now?

You don't see it, but I see, once again, the stink of groupthink where suppression of debate so that a unified face can be presented takes priority over getting at the truth.

You want me to find a few quotes from Republicans to the effect of "don't criticize the party or other Republicans" to support this?
No, I'd rather you produce examples of Akin's view being "a recurring idea among some circles of the Republican party."

It's be great if such views had been previously known to a wide audience so that your secondary assertion that Republicans haven't "disowned this asshats prior to now" can be supported.

Go!


This stinky shit is always there, swimming in the toilet bowl of extreme right-wing politics.

The only reason any of you give rat's ass now, is that you so committed to winning the presidency at all costs.

If it didn't hurt you in the polls, I genuinely don't think you or the rest of the GOP establshiment would care.
Well, when your crazy uncle pokes his head out of the attic and says something bizarre, you explain how his rantings don't represent the entire family, apologize for the distraction, take the Uncle some milk and cookies, and move on.

It's only been the Democrats that keep bringing up Akin. Republicans have, for the most part, moved on.

[Drachen]

Went and looked at a Christian school for our youngest (7th grader).

Specifically asked to see the science textbooks:

(paraphrasing)



So, to answer your question, good or not, there are certainly people who DO - and they even write in text books that they are doing it; and no matter what you, me, or EVIDENCE says, they aren't going to change their minds.

We gave the books back. Our son is still in the sucky public school.

I don't blame you, I would have probably thrown the book at them (literally). Are there no other private schools in the area?

[Th'Pusher]

It's only been the Democrats that keep bringing up Akin. Republicans have, for the most part, moved on.

Mike Huckabee says hi. Is he not speaking at the RNC tonight?

Huckabee, Akin's Biggest Backer, Has Primetime RNC Speaking Slot (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/huckabee-akins-biggest-backer-has-primetime-rnc-speaking-slot/261507/)

[ploto]

And, you're being disingenuous to suggest the "Pro-Life" moniker has ever included the death penalty discussion.

Of course it has -- for many people pro-life involves a commitment to oppose abortion, the death penalty, assisted suicide... Only for Republicans, does pro-life = anti-abortion alone.

[djohn2oo8]

Of course it has -- for many people pro-life involves a commitment to oppose abortion, the death penalty, assisted suicide... Only for Republicans, does pro-life = anti-abortion alone.

exactly

[boutons_deux]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/4380/large/Public_support_for_abortion_exemptions.jpeg?134608 4665

Yoni, etc show once again, he's extreme fringe and dramatic minority.

[RandomGuy]

Well, when your crazy uncle pokes his head out of the attic and says something bizarre, you explain how his rantings don't represent the entire family, apologize for the distraction, take the Uncle some milk and cookies, and move on.

It's only been the Democrats that keep bringing up Akin. Republicans have, for the most part, moved on.

The Republican party is made up of crazy uncles.

Of coures you ass-hats have "moved on". You don't want everybody to notice that your party is run by the nutballs.

I would want to move on too.

[RandomGuy]

You weren't specific, you simply asked what I thought of them. I think people who believe the earth is only 6,000 years old are wrong. That's what I think of them.


Well, that's not what you asked and I'd ask you to prove that belief is held by a "large swath of Republicans" because, I reject the premise.

Do you really want me to provide quotes that a large swath of the Republican party thinks the earth is 6000 years old and/or the theory of evolution is a made up secularist plot?

Define a "large swath" then, if you want me to prove it. I will take up the gauntlet, if you want to go there.

Put up or shut up.

mevxenJ6Mtc

[RandomGuy]

We could start with the crazy uncles that draw cheers from Republican rank and file.

Republican Candidates Don't Believe in Evolution
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Not a scientific sample to be sure. But hey, its a start.

[RandomGuy]

A 2007 poll asked respondents if they believed that “Evolution, that is, the idea that human beings developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life,” is “definitely true, probably true, probably false, definitely false?” (That’s a very odd and constrained definition of evolution, of course, but responses would still provide a useful view of broader attitudes on the theory.)

Newport said the 2007 survey found that 53 percent of Americans said this particular framing of evolution was either definitely or probably true, while 44 percent said evolution was definitely or probably not true.

Then he wrote this about Republicans:

Of importance to us here is the breakout among Republicans. We found in 2007 that a whopping 68 percent of Republicans did not believe in evolution when using this question wording.

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/a-fundamental-republican-science-problem/

[Clipper Nation]

It's only been the Democrats that keep bringing up Akin. Republicans have, for the most part, moved on.

No, the neocons simply dropped the subject because it's embarrassing for them.... meanwhile, they're STILL harping on Obama's misquoted "you didn't build that" soundbyte weeks later, so much for "moving on".....

[RandomGuy]

A 2010 survey with a different approach still found a majority of Republicans, as opposed to much smaller percentages of Independents and Democrats, believing that humans were created in their present form about 10,000 years ago. Here’s the summary of the overall finding:

Four in 10 Americans, slightly fewer today than in years past, believe God created humans in their present form about 10,000 years ago. Thirty-eight percent believe God guided a process by which humans developed over millions of years from less advanced life forms, while 16%, up slightly from years past, believe humans developed over millions of years, without God’s involvement.

same article


Anyone want to define "huge swath"? Anyone?

I will give Yoni a chance to respond. Not that I think he will directly. I fully expect some chicken-shit prevarication/obfuscation, as usual.

[Th'Pusher]

I will give Yoni a chance to respond. Not that I think he will directly. I fully expect some chicken-shit prevarication/obfuscation, as usual.

Gonna have to wait. That joker is in a recliner jerking off to Paul Ryan on Fox News as we speak.

[101A]

I don't blame you, I would have probably thrown the book at them (literally). Are there no other private schools in the area?

No. Well a prep school @ 50k per...

[ElNono]

Unrelated, but I was all morning in PA today... was wondering if 101A was living in one of the houses we passed by...

[RandomGuy]

Last Activity: Today 08:48 AM

Still waiting Yonivore.

If you don't think a "large swath" of Republicans think the world is 6000 years old and/or think the theory of evolution is some sort of secularist/satanic plot, then define what would constitute a "large swath".

Maybe after we settle this, we can get to the other question you want to run away from, because you don't want to explore the implication:


Is it a good thing to base your politics and public policy solutions on beliefs that are provably laughable, given the vast amount of evidence to the contrary?

Yes or no will do.

[RandomGuy]

It has long been my contention that Republicans are running a longstanding de factor war on science.

I can point to a myriad of things said by all manner of conversatives to support this, and the fact that a disturbingly large portion of the conservative population in this country provably holds irrational, unscientific beliefs about the universe is part and parcel of that.

[Yonivore]

Still waiting Yonivore.

If you don't think a "large swath" of Republicans think the world is 6000 years old and/or think the theory of evolution is some sort of secularist/satanic plot, then define what would constitute a "large swath".

Maybe after we settle this, we can get to the other question you want to run away from, because you don't want to explore the implication:
Well, didn't the poll allow the question was odd and constrained?

Nobody's running, these threads get shuffled down after people lose interest and I don't always go looking for them if something more interesting, to me, is being discussed.

You posted the results of one article's analysis of one poll that admittedly had had a weird construct to the question. There was something else about the article I was going to point out but, can't remember this morning.

I've been busy and poking my head in here at 8:48AM doesn't indicate I was sitting down for a long session. You people have too much time on your hands to worry about what other posters are doing.

There was nothing "provable" about what you posted.

For instance, I don't believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago and am dubious that many 40% of the population thinks that either. I don't believe mankind was "created" 10,000 years ago and, while I will agree more people believe that than believe the 6,000 year canard, I still don't think it approaches 78%.

You've lost my interest and this thread is no longer about the topic of Akin's remarks.

[RandomGuy]

Well, didn't the poll allow the question was odd and constrained?

Nobody's running, these threads get shuffled down after people lose interest and I don't always go looking for them if something more interesting, to me, is being discussed.

You posted the results of one article's analysis of one poll that admittedly had had a weird construct to the question. There was something else about the article I was going to point out but, can't remember this morning.

I've been busy and poking my head in here at 8:48AM doesn't indicate I was sitting down for a long session. You people have too much time on your hands to worry about what other posters are doing.

There was nothing "provable" about what you posted.

For instance, I don't believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago and am dubious that many 40% of the population thinks that either. I don't believe mankind was "created" 10,000 years ago and, while I will agree more people believe that than believe the 6,000 year canard, I still don't think it approaches 78%.

You've lost my interest and this thread is no longer about the topic of Akin's remarks.

... and there is the predicted chickenshit answer.

Shocking.

[Yonivore]

... and there is the predicted chickenshit answer.

Shocking.
Okay, if you say so. Can I post an analysis of a single poll and call you a chicken shit when you disagree with it's analysis?

[RandomGuy]

Okay, if you say so. Can I post an analysis of a single poll and call you a chicken shit when you disagree with it's analysis?

I simply wanted you to establish some basis for evaluating whether or not we can reasonably test the theory that a disturbingly large percentage of Republicans hold some pretty irrational beliefs about a fundamental facet of the universe.

I asked you to set your own bar, so that we could get an agreed on set of definitions, that you couldn't do your usual weasely bullshit and back out of.

I didn't ask you what the fuck you thought of any given article, dipshit.

You are smart enough to know not to give me any definition, because you know, deep down, I am right about it.

Your answer was chickenshit, because you answered the question you wanted to answer, and talked about what it was you want to talk about, rather than take even the first step towards admitting your ideologicial companions might just be wrong about something in such a way as to affect the basis of your preferred public policy solutions.

[101A]

RG; you're taking the poll too far, IMO.

People who don't believe in any evolution; or that is a literal "theory" are whack. I do, however, give some wiggle room for people who think that Human Beings are separated from the evolutionary cycle - that we were formed wholly human - and off we went.

Don't believe that myself (I give God's design more credit that that) - but as far as I know, there is no direct evidence (specific lineage) that could refute that faith-based belief. (Although there is more and more, and within a few years, presumably, still holding onto that could put them in the corner you already suggest they belong in).

Young Earthers and there ilk? Not a huge group; but reasonable numbers in the fundamentalist churches.

[RandomGuy]

RG; you're taking the poll too far, IMO.

People who don't believe in any evolution; or that is a literal "theory" are whack. I do, however, give some wiggle room for people who think that Human Beings are separated from the evolutionary cycle - that we were formed wholly human - and off we went.

Don't believe that myself (I give God's design more credit that that) - but as far as I know, there is no direct evidence (specific lineage) that could refute that faith-based belief. (Although there is more and more, and within a few years, presumably, still holding onto that could put them in the corner you already suggest they belong in).

Young Earthers and there ilk? Not a huge group; but reasonable numbers in the fundamentalist churches.

The poll was simply one example, in a sad, long litany of anti-science ideological dogma.

To be clear:

That was intended to be simply illustrative, and, by far, not comprehensive.

Humans are quite part of the evolutionary cycle. The DNA sequencing we have done has allowed some hard-core definitive analysis that pretty much removed any doubt of that. FWIW.

[Yonivore]

The poll was simply one example, in a sad, long litany of anti-science ideological dogma.

To be clear:

That was intended to be simply illustrative, and, by far, not comprehensive.

Humans are quite part of the evolutionary cycle. The DNA sequencing we have done has allowed some hard-core definitive analysis that pretty much removed any doubt of that. FWIW.
You should have picked a better example.

[Yonivore]

I simply wanted you to establish some basis for evaluating whether or not we can reasonably test the theory that a disturbingly large percentage of Republicans hold some pretty irrational beliefs about a fundamental facet of the universe.

I asked you to set your own bar, so that we could get an agreed on set of definitions, that you couldn't do your usual weasely bullshit and back out of.

I didn't ask you what the fuck you thought of any given article, dipshit.

You are smart enough to know not to give me any definition, because you know, deep down, I am right about it.

Your answer was chickenshit, because you answered the question you wanted to answer, and talked about what it was you want to talk about, rather than take even the first step towards admitting your ideologicial companions might just be wrong about something in such a way as to affect the basis of your preferred public policy solutions.
and, as I explained, my bar is that I don't believe those things; I don't know anyone in my circle of friends that professes to believe those things and, I'm sure my circle of friends is different than yours and probably includes many of the people that poll claims to include.

I don't know why we're arguing, I agree with you on this point -- I just doubt it's as pervasive a view, in the conservative community, as you do.

[boutons_deux]

"my bar is that I don't believe those things"

aka, solipsism.

I don't believe that so, in spite of polls finding a majority percentage of Repugs holding bizarre anti-scientific beliefs, it doesn't matter.

[boutons_deux]

Maryland Congressman Says ‘Few Pregnancies’ Result From Rape

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Screen-shot-2012-09-01-at-10.10.20-AM.png

there are very few pregnancies as a result of rape, fortunately, and incest — compared to the usual abortion, what is the percentage of abortions for rape? It is tiny. It is a tiny, tiny percentage.” …. [I]n terms of the percentage of pregnancies, percentage of abortions for rape as compared to overall abortions, it’s a tiny, tiny percentage,”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/09/01/787471/maryland-congressman-argues-that-few-pregnancies-result-from-rape/

[howbouthemspurs]

http://www.philzone.org/discus/messages/439459/796189.jpg

[boutons_deux]

come on, Nye, go easy on the the guy.

Akin's defense is that he made a one-word gaffe, "legitimate". :lol

[boutons_deux]

5 Crazy Things the GOP Is Still Saying About Women, Rape and Abortion--Even While the Convention Tried to Ignore It

1. Mike Huckabee, after making a grossly sexist dig [6] against Democratic National Committee’s Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, continued to be unable to hide his Bible-thumping misogyny from the crowd, telling them that Obama supports infancticide:

Of the four people on the two tickets, the only self-professed evangelical is Barack Obama, and he supports changing the definition of marriage, believes that human life is disposable and expendable at any time in the womb or even beyond the womb, and tells people of faith that they must bow their knees to the god of government and violate their faith and conscience in order to comply with what he calls health care.

Amanda Marcotte [7] and Ed Kilgore [8] both neatly dispatch the not-so-subtle subtext here, based on a right-wing lie about a bill that would have forced doctors to pretend to resuscitate aborted fetuses, a bill Obama voted against. While Marcotte makes mincemeat out of this zombie lie Kilgore notes [8] that Huckabee’s words show that evangelicals, Catholics and Mormons who are socially right-wing are willing to hold their noses and plunge into the cultural fray together.

2. Paul Ryan calls rape another "type of conception":

After the Akin brouhaha, Paul Ryan was asked his opinion on rape and abortion. He said that “the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life.”

Gottalaff wrote at the Political Carnival [9] about where this easily deployed logic actually ends up:

So rape is just, you know, another way to conceive. There’s consensual sex, sex out of wedlock, and then there’s forcing a woman to do something against her will (rape), traumatizing her for life. All are equal, all are simply “methods of conception” and if a woman gets pregnant by any “method,” men like these, lawmakers like these, will tell her what she can do or can’t do with her own body.

HuffPo blogger Paul Slanskly worried [10] about the lack of media coverage for this moment, “a far more offensive remark than Todd Akin's imbecilic blurt of last weekend. What, are we tired of stupid remarks about rape now, so Ryan gets a free pass?” he asks.

Good question.

3. Steve King has never heard of statutory rape pregnancies.

We didn’t think it was possible, but Republican Rep. Steve King said something that might be even more clueless and scientifically absurd than Todd Akin’s remarks. Whereas Akin claimed that the female body has some sort of mystical power to avoid conceiving through rape, King stated that he had never even heard of such a thing happening to a woman (an underage woman, specifically). For real!

TPM [11]:

King told an Iowa reporter he’s never heard of a child getting pregnant from statutory rape or incest.

“Well I just haven’t heard of that being a circumstance that’s been brought to me in any personal way,” King told KMEG-TV [12] Monday, “and I’d be open to discussion about that subject matter.”

So pregnancy-through-rape denialism is a thing now. Great.

4. Senate candidate thinks conceiving through rape is much like having a baby out of wedlock.

Rape victims who become pregnant are not a homogenous group with only one set of experiences. However, we can say that becoming pregnant from rape is often a nightmarish experience for both the rape victims and the children they conceive. Read this chilling piece [13] from the New Yorker to get a sense of some of the ways pregnancy through rape can cause serious, long-term emotional and psychic scars.

It’s disrespectful to those experiences when someone like Republican Senate candidate Tom Smith comes along to say that conceiving through rape is “similar” to having a baby “out of wedlock,” as his daughter did – and as is the case with more than half [14] of U.S. births to women under the age of 30. Republicans love pointing to that statistic as an indicator of our nation’s moral decline, which is obviously ludicrous.

When Smith said that pregnancy-through-rape is similar to pregnancy-sans-wedding-ring, it was really misogynistic code for “those women are morally inferior.”

But what can we expect from a guy who thinks the only thing two grown women (“girls”) could possibly want to talk about is shoes [15]?

5. Wisconsin Rep. dismisses pushback against false rape claims as playing “political football.”

Republican Rep. Sean Duffy (who, fun fact, was once a cast member on The Real World: Boston) minimized the wretched comments about rape made by his fellow party members by suggesting that Dems are just playing “political football” by pushing back. What jerks! How dare they correct lies!

Here’s Duffy’s full exchange with CNN’s Piers Morgan, via Jezebel [16]:

MORGAN: What about Paul Ryan's positions on social issues like abortion? He's pretty right-wing, to the more extreme end of the party. Are you concerned that that will be perceived as anti-women?

DUFFY: Well I think what the issue's that extreme is when Barack Obama has voted four times to say if you have a failed abortion and the baby is born alive, you aren't allowed to save it. That is what is extreme. And I think we have to have a real conversation not just on social issues, but the real issues that Americans care about, which is the debt, which is the economy, which is jobs. Moms and dads across America, moms specifically.

MORGAN: But if you're trying to target women, which Mitt Romney has to do because he's way behind on women, is it really advisable to have people like Todd Akin rearing their ugly heads, coming out with all this guff about rape?

DUFFY: You want to know what I think is ugly? I was a prosecutor. I prosecuted rape cases for adults and children. And the Democrat Party is going to try to use rape as a political football, that's a disgrace. I'm disgusted by it.

MORGAN: Well actually, I thought Todd Akin's comment was a disgrace wasn't it?

DUFFY: And I called it a disgrace. But it shouldn't be used politically. You had virtually all Republicans stand up and say that was wrong, we don't approve of it, and now that it's being used politically – that's disgusting!

Actually, you know what’s really really a disgrace, Sean Duffy? Saying that “virtually all” of your fellow Republicans have disavowed Todd Akin’s rape stance, when in fact similar views are commonplace among the party.

That’s why we have to keep writing these lists: because there are so many members of the GOP who have backwards views of women, rape and pregnancy that as soon as we’ve finished one roundup, there’s enough material for another.

http://www.alternet.org/print/5-crazy-things-gop-still-saying-about-women-rape-and-abortion-even-while-convention-tried-ignore-it

Akin has LOTS of company in other Repug and right-wing assholes, and certainly these assholes "inform" their igorant followers into the same Akin Land.

[boutons_deux]

Another crazy right-winger and fucked up ideas about women/pregnancy

Victoria Jackson: Fetuses Aren't Part of Women's Bodies Because They Have Genitals


"The Todd Akin thing was so blown out of proportion -- it's a joke," Jackson said at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., when interviewed for my SiriusXM OutQ radio program. "How many times do people get pregnant from rape? It's point zero zero one percent. It's a joke. I read lots of articles. I know people, because I'm 53. I've know a lot of people, and I've actually never known anyone who got pregnant from being raped."

"And guess what?" she continued. "If I got raped, I would have the baby. And if I didn't want to keep it because I had these [mocking tone] horrible nightmares, I would adopt it out. But I think that God can turn a bad thing into a good thing. And that, if I got raped and a beautiful baby who was innocent was born out of it, that would be a blessing. The DNA of a baby is individual. It's not the mother's DNA. It's not the father's DNA. And that's why I believe abortion is murder, because it's not the woman's body. It has it's own DNA. If there's a boy baby inside of me, he has a penis. That's not my body."

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/09/02/victoria-jackson-babies-are-part-womans-body-how-do-they-have-penises?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rhrealitycheck+%28RH+Reality+ Check%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

again, Akin is not an isolated nutcase. Nutty anti-scientific, ideological, regressiveness is part right-wing/Repug DNA.

[Spurminator]

Victoria Jackson?

Dude. Just stop.

[Drachen]

http://www.philzone.org/discus/messages/439459/796189.jpg

As awesome as this would be... It's fake. http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/billnye.asp

[boutons_deux]

Candidate's Wife Compares Criticism of Akin to Rape; "Women for Akin" Site Pulled After Fiasco

First, Akin's wife Lulli compared his treatment by the press and his parties to... you guessed it...rape. The one word no one associated with Akin should probably ever say again.

Lulli Akin, the U.S. Senate candidate’s wife, has compared his abandonment by party bosses to rape.

In an interview with “The National Journal,” she first described the move to get her husband to step down from the Senate race in Missouri as “tyranny, a top-down approach.”

She went on to say, “Party bosses dictating who is allowed to advance through the party and make all the decisions – it’s just like 1776 in that way.”

That was when colonists “rose up and said, ‘Not in my home, you don’t come and rape my daughters and my … wife. But that is where we are again.” Yes, back to rape.

But that's not all. The Akin campaign also had to pull a website called "Women for Akin" after it was revealed that one of said women was an Akin "tracker"--who worked for the Democrats. Oops.

On Tuesday the Akin campaign posted the Women for Akin website under the tagline “We think for ourselves.”

The website, published on the day the Akin campaign plans a “Missouri Women Standing with Todd Akin” kickoff event featuring Phyllis Schlafly, was pulled down a few hours after it launched, after the St. Louis Post-Dispatch discovered one of the women featured prominently in a photo with Akin is actually a Democratic staffer.

“Corinne Matti, who is pictured on Akin’s site standing to Akin’s left, is a ‘tracker’ for the Missouri Democratic Party,” the Post-Dispatch reported. “Her job, which she does openly, is to attend Akin’s public events and report back to the Democrats. She has been doing it for more than a year.”

Akin campaign spokesperson Ryan Hite told the paper the Women for Akin site was posted before it was ready for public consumption.

http://www.alternet.org/hot-news-views/candidates-wife-compares-criticism-akin-rape-women-akin-site-pulled-after-fiasco?akid=9413.187590.I-VXW9&rd=1&src=newsletter712520&t=3

[boutons_deux]

yet another TP LYING quote! :lol
(http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/21/1054761/todd-akin-compares-claire-mccaskill-to-a-dog/)
Todd Akin Compares Claire McCaskill To A Dog (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/21/1054761/todd-akin-compares-claire-mccaskill-to-a-dog/)

“She goes to Washington, D.C., it’s a little bit like one of those dogs, you know ‘fetch,’” Akin said. “She goes to Washington, D.C., and get all of these taxes and red tape and bureaucracy and executive orders and agencies and she brings all of this stuff and dumps it on us in Missouri.”



“It seems to me that she’s got it just backwards,” Akin added. “What we should be doing is taking the common sense that we see in Missouri and taking that to Washington, D.C., blessing them with some solutions instead of more problems.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/21/1054761/todd-akin-compares-claire-mccaskill-to-a-dog/

[Jeff Van Gundy]

lol legitimate rape

[boutons_deux]

lol legitimate rape

Akin "legit rape" widely defended by Repugs and Akin heavily financed by RNC and SuperPACs.

[DMC]

Akin "legit rape" widely defended by Repugs and Akin heavily financed by RNC and SuperPACs.
Pretty sure you've never even had legitimate sex.

[boutons_deux]

Here's a totally fake item from TP, including a fake spokesperson tweet :lol

Akin Campaign Doubles Down On Comments Comparing McCaskill To A Dog (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/22/1062541/akin-campaign-doubles-down-on-comments-comparing-mccaskill-to-a-dog/)http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Screen-shot-2012-10-22-at-2.04.25-PM.png

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/22/1062541/akin-campaign-doubles-down-on-comments-comparing-mccaskill-to-a-dog/

A Repug misognynist asshole calling his lady Dem opponent a dog, aka technically a bitch, just "distract from important issues". :lol

You Stay Classy, Repugs.

[boutons_deux]

"... rape. It is something that God intended to happen."

-- Indiana GOP Senate candidate Richard Mourdock

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/23/1078181/gop-us-senate-candidate-calls-rape-pregnancies-a-gift-from-god/

Murdock is Koch-sucking tea bagger.

[Bartleby]

"... rape. It is something that God intended to happen."



He does work in mysterious ways.

[boutons_deux]

He does work in mysterious ways.

The 32K women impregnated by rapists every year, (they just aren't able to Akin-style "shut down" impregnation), will sign up for your bullshit religious beliefs! Get the word out!

[boutons_deux]

this how Repugs run for office in 2012

a growing number of (mostly) male Republicans who are seeking to roll back women’s access to legal abortion services, particularly in cases of rape:


– REP. TODD AKIN (R-MO): “It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

– REP. STEVE KING (R-IA): In an interview (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/08/21/721321/rep-steve-king-says-hes-never-heard-of-a-rape-induced-pregnancy/) with Iowa’s KMEG-TV, King denied ever hearing about anyone getting pregnant from statutory rape or incest, saying: “Well I just haven’t heard of that being a circumstance that’s been brought to me in any personal way, and I’d be open to discussion about that subject matter.”

– REP. ROSCOE BARTLETT (R-MD): At a town hall, Bartlett responded (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/09/01/787471/maryland-congressman-argues-that-few-pregnancies-result-from-rape/) to a question about abortion by reiterating his longstanding opposition to the procedure in every case except for rape, incest, and if the life of the woman is in danger. But when an audience member pressed Bartlett on the rape exception, he suggested that few pregnancies result from rape.

– LINDA MCMAHON: the Connecticut senate hopeful told a local newspaper (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/15/1016831/linda-mcmahon-catholic-hospitals-should-be-allowed-to-deny-emergency-contraception-to-rape-victims/) that Catholic hospitals should not be required to provide emergency contraception to victims of rape. “I mean it’s a separation of church and state in my view, and I think that a religious institution has the right to decide what its policies would be in that, in that case,” she claimed. She later reversed herself.

– TOM SMITH: the Republican challenging Sen. Bob Casey’s (D-PA) seat, suggested (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/08/27/751971/pennsylvania-gop-senate-candidate-getting-pregnant-from-rape-is-similar-to-having-a-baby-out-of-wedlock/) that having a child out of wedlock was analogous to rape during an interview with a reporter at a press club this afternoon, claiming that it would have a “similar” effect on a father.

– STATE REP. ROGER RIVARD (R-WI): the state lawmakers, who also won Paul Ryan’s backing, claimed (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/10/989981/wisconsin-lawmaker-claims-some-girls-rape-easy/) that some girls “rape easy” and sometimes portray a sexual encounter as rape if they become pregnant.

– STATE REP. JIM BUCHY (R-OH): admitted (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/09/12/831151/state-rep-why-abortion/) that never thought about why a woman would want an abortion. After an Al Jazeera reporter asked Buchy why he thinks some women may want to have an abortion, he fumbled for an appropriate response before admitting he had never thought about that question before.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/24/1078531/mourdock-rape-abortion/

[Trainwreck2100]

"... rape. It is something that God intended to happen."

-- Indiana GOP Senate candidate Richard Mourdock

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/23/1078181/gop-us-senate-candidate-calls-rape-pregnancies-a-gift-from-god/

Murdock is Koch-sucking tea bagger.

Wow if anything, rape is darwinism

[boutons_deux]

Mortdick now says his words are being "twisted" :lol

[boutons_deux]

Pennsylvania Bill Would Reduce Food Stamp Benefits For Women Who Cannot Prove They Were Raped (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/24/1083101/proposed-bill-food-stamp-benefits-raped/)
only if she can provide proof (http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2011&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=2718&pn=4295)that she reported her sexual assault and her abuser’s identity to the police:



In determining the amount of assistance payments to a recipient family of benefits under the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) Program, the department shall revise the schedule of benefits to be paid to the recipient family by eliminating the increment in benefits under the program for which that family would otherwise be eligible as a result of the birth of a child conceived during the period in which the family is eligible for benefits under the TANF Program. [...]

Elimination of benefits under subsection (d) shall not apply to any child conceived as a result of rape or incest if the department: (1) receives a non-notarized, signed statement from the pregnant woman stating that she was a victim of rape or incest, as the case may be, and that she reported the crime, including the identity of the offender, if known, to a law enforcement agency having the requisite jurisdiction or, in the case of incest where a pregnant minor is the victim, to the county child protective service agency and stating the name of the law enforcement agency or child protective service agency to which the report was made and the date such report was made.


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/24/1083101/proposed-bill-food-stamp-benefits-raped/

[CosmicCowboy]

Good for Pennsylvania! :toast

If they are already on assistance and getting paid for the babies they have already had, they have no fucking business having more babies so the taxpayers can pay them more money.

I can't believe anyone but Boutons would think that is right.

Having babies you can't afford is irresponsible behavior. Government providing financial incentives for people on welfare to have more babies is even MORE irresponsible.

[boutons_deux]

so if a rape victim is pregnant and doesn't know the name of the rapist, she loses assistance. typcial CC 1%er sociopathy.

[Trainwreck2100]

so if a rape victim is pregnant and doesn't know the name of the rapist, she loses assistance.
no

including the identity of the offender, if known,

[TeyshaBlue]

So a rape victim won't be denied benefits if she says she reported the crime. What a fascinating non story.

[boutons_deux]

get back to me when PA, or any state, goes after the known rapist for child support

[TeyshaBlue]

Typical moonbat thinkprogress "analysis".


"Pennsylvania Bill Would Reduce Food Stamp Benefits For Women Who Cannot Prove They Were Raped"


There is nothing in the language about proof. Only a statement that she was raped is necessary.

[TeyshaBlue]

get back to me when PA, or any state, goes after the known rapist for child support

Get back to me when you can posit an original, cogent thought.

[boutons_deux]

Gecko campaign still supports Mourdock, and it still supports Akin.

[ploto]

You men do realize that the trauma of rape causes some women not to report it.

[TeyshaBlue]

You men do realize that the trauma of rape causes some women not to report it.

Yes I do. I also realize that reporting this to the police is not necessary to continue to receive food stamps.

[Leetonidas]

Did god impregnate Mary with her consent? Wasn't she technically raped? or did her and god have a chat about him implanting her with his mysterious seed

[TeyshaBlue]

I just got my ass handed to me again! :cry.

[boutons_deux]

TB :lol

Having fun stalking me?

[boutons_deux]

Why Right-Wingers Can't Stop Saying Insane Things About Women
1. They really and truly believe this stuff

2. They’re emboldened by the Tea Party and the war on women.

3. They’re in denial about the dangers women--and all of us--face

4. They haven’t been punished by voters yet.

http://www.alternet.org/gender/why-right-wingers-cant-stop-saying-insane-things-about-women

MortDick's defense is that God is in his heart and told him and his warped, false conscience to believe and say shit like that.

Let's see MortDick's conscience guide him if his daughters, sisters, nieces, wife get raped and impregnated by black, HIV/STD infected serial rapists.

[boutons_deux]

Colbert's Advice to GOP: "Since Women Got the Right to Vote, Rape's Approval Rating Has Plummeted"
http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/colbert_report.png

Colbert added Mourdock to the GOP "Team Rape," which Colbert acknowledged was a name the extreme conservatives probably wouldn't like, but contended, "Come on, they're kind of asking for it."

Meanwhile, he added some helpful advice to his fellow GOP cohorts who might be considering also coming out with their extremist opinions on rape and abortion.

"You might not be aware of this, but in 1920 women got the right to vote. And since then, among likely voters rape's approval rating has plummeted."

http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/colberts-advice-gop-women-got-right-vote-rapes-approval-rating-has-plummeted

[TeyshaBlue]

Stop stalking me! :cry

[boutons_deux]

Fox Gave Indiana Senate Candidate's Rape Comment Two Minutes Of Coverage http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/mmfa-20121024-mourdockcoverage-updated.jpg

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/10/25/fox-gave-indiana-senate-candidates-rape-comment/190914

Fair and Balanced

But DAYS and WEEKS of coverage to Benghazi :lol

[boutons_deux]

The real Republican rape platformSo is the idea that women are both fundamentally unintelligent and dishonest. Akin's "legitimate rape" comment and Rivard's contention that "some girls rape easy" rely on the idea that women routinely lie about rape and shouldn't be believed; blocking VAWA relied partly on similar logic put forward by men's rights activists (http://wonkette.com/472766/mens-rights-group-enthusiastically-endorses-crappy-house-gop-version-of-vawa), that women lie about being abused in order to secure citizenship and other benefits. Hostility to abortion rights similarly positions rightwing lawmakers as the best people to determine whether or not any particular woman should be legally compelled to carry a pregnancy to term.

Women, they seem to think, don't know their own bodies or their own lives, and cannot be trusted to determine for themselves whether continuing a pregnancy is a good idea.

Rape treats women as vessels, disregarding our autonomy and our right to control what happens to us physically and sexually. The Republican position is that women are not entitled to make fundamental decisions about our own bodies and our own sexual and reproductive health. When that position is written into the GOP platform and is a legislative priority, can we really be surprised when it's further reflected in Republican legislators' comments on rape?

These aren't a few errant remarks from insensitive politicians. They're at the heart of the Republican party's agenda.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/25/real-republican-party-rape-platform

Of course, the Repugs here will deny supporting rape, but they vote the pro-rape Repugs in repeatedly.

[CosmicCowboy]

Damn, Boutons is really obsessed about rape.

[boutons_deux]

no, Boutons loves ridiculing Repugs, and their voters, who are obsessed with all things vagina.

[TeyshaBlue]

boutons stalks rape links.

[clambake]

good rape should be described as grape.

[TeyshaBlue]

good rape should be described as grape.

grape by midgets should be referred to as nehi.







I'll burn in hell for that.

[clambake]

grape by midgets should be referred to as nehi.

thats a very pleasant way to describe that. we should communicate this to our vwrc/mic overlords.

[clambake]

by the way, i think you just ruined that for "radar"

[ErnestLynch]

There is not war on women. Western woman is most coddled group on this earth. They have most of the money. That is fact. And they have all the pussy. That too is fact. Why they crying ?

[boutons_deux]

Meet 8 Romney-Backed Senate Candidates Who Would Force Victims to Have Their Rapists' Babies

Rape-Baby Senate Candidates

Here are eight additional GOP Senate candidates who think a woman or girl who is impregnated by rape or incest should be made to have her attacker's baby. We offer you some choice quotes from news reports and from the Republican Senate candidates themselves.

1. Josh Mandel, Ohio .

2. Pete Hoekstra, Michigan

3. Deb Fischer, Nebraska

4. Tom Smith, Pennsylvania

5. Ted Cruz, Texas

6. Michael Baumgartner, Washington

7. John MacGovern, Vermont

8. John Raese, West Virginia

http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/meet-8-romney-backed-senate-candidates-who-would-force-victims-have-their-rapists?paging=off

[boutons_deux]

Number of States in Which Rapists Can Sue For Custody and Visitation Rights -- 31 -- and Other Shocking Rape Facts



50 Facts About Rape



Low estimate of the number of women (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/210346.pdf) [12] , according to the Department of Justice, raped every year: 300,000
High estimate of the number of women raped (http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/SV-DataSheet-a.pdf) [13], according to the CDC: 1.3 million
Percentage of rapes not reported (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates) [14]: 54 percent
A woman's chance of being raped (http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/SV-DataSheet-a.pdf) [13] in the U.S.: 1 in 5
Chances that a raped woman conceives compared to one engaging in consensual sex (http://www.springerlink.com/content/wp5cnp43k6byxj4d/?MUD=MP) [15]: at least two times as likely
Number of women in the US impregnated against their will each year in the U.S. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248) [16] as a result of rape: 32,000
Number of states in which rapists can sue for custody and visitation (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/31-states-grant-rapists-custody-and-visitation-rights/56118/) [17]: 31
Chances that a woman's body "shuts that whole thing down (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/health/rape-pregnancy/index.html) [18]": 0 in 3.2 billion
Rank of U.S. in the world (http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime) [19] for rape: 13th
A woman's chance of being raped in college (http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/SV-DataSheet-a.pdf) [13]: 1 in 4 or 5
Chances that a Native American woman in the U.S. will be raped (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/us/native-americans-struggle-with-high-rate-of-rape.html?pagewanted=all) [20]: 1 in 3
Percentage of women in Alaska (http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2012/04/26/most-dangerous-us-cities-women-anchorage-fairbanks-flint/) [21] who have suffered sexual assault: 37 percent
Number of rape kits untested (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/More-rape-kits-than-thought-remain-untested-at-HPD-2403903.php) [22] by the Houston police force: 6,000-7,000 (Texas ranked second (http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_for_rap-crime-forcible-rape) [23] in nation for "forcible rape")
Number of adult men accused (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/eric-mcgowen-texas-rape-trial_n_1838910.html) [24] of repeatedly gang raping 11-year-old girl in Texas: 14
Quote in the New York Times (http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/making-sense-of-news/123072/new-york-times-houston-chronicle-frame-story-of-11-year-olds-rape-differently/) [25] regarding the rape: "They said she dressed older than her age."
Age of woman raped in Central Park (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/nyregion/drifter-is-charged-with-raping-73-year-old-woman-in-central-park.html) [26] in September, 2012: 73
Number of rape kits left untested in Detroit (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=34d_1349643514) [27], listed by Forbes as one of two the most dangerous places for woman (http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2012/04/26/most-dangerous-us-cities-women-anchorage-fairbanks-flint/) [21] to live in the US: 11,303
U.S. state in which, in September 2012, mentally disabled rape victim was required to provide evidence of her "kicking, biting, scratching" (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/03/947981/court-requires-disabled-rape-victim-to-prove-she-fought-back-calls-for-evidence-of-biting-kicking-scratching/) [28] in objection to her rape: Connecticut
State seeking to reduce childcare welfare benefits (http://www.care2.com/causes/pennsylvania-bill-would-reduce-welfare-benefits-for-women-who-cannot-prove-they-were-raped.html) [29] to women cannot provide proof of their pregnancy-causing rapes: Pennsylvannia
Percentage of sexual assault and rape victims under the age of 12 (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims) [30]: 15 percent
Percentage of men who have been raped (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims) [30]: 3 percent
Percentage of rapists who are never incarcerated (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates) [14]: 97 perent
Percentage of rapes that college students think are false claims (http://journals.cluteonline.com/index.php/CIER/article/viewFile/1201/1185) [31]: 50 percent
Percentage of rapes that studies find are false claims (http://www.nsvrc.org/publications/articles/false-reports-moving-beyond-issue-successfully-investigate-and-prosecute-non-s) [32]: 2-8 percent
Number of rapes reported (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/the-invisible-war_b_1205741.html) [33] in the military last year: 16,500
Pentagon's estimated percentage (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html) [34] of military assuaults not reported: 80-90 percent
Percentage of military rape victims who were gang raped/raped more than once (http://www.law.buffalo.edu/baldycenter/pdfs/milcult05hansen.pdf) [35]: 14%/20%
Percentage of military rape victims that are men (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2011/0317/Exclusive-1-in-5-Air-Force-women-victim-of-sexual-assault-survey-finds) [36]: 8-37 percent
Percentage of military victims who get an "involuntarily" discharge (http://www.humanevents.com/2011/11/22/speier-speaks-out-against-military-handling-of-sexual-assault/) [37] compared (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html) [34] to percentage of charged and accused who are discharged with honor: 90 percent involuntary to 80 percent with honor
Chances an incarcerated person is raped (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-06-26/prison-rape-sexual-assault/55844922/1) [38] in the U.S.: 1 in 10
Increase in chance (http://www.dallasvoice.com/texas-prison-rape-capital-u-s-10105138.html) [39] that LGTB prisoner is raped: 15x greater chance
Number of men raped (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/additional-ucr-publications/ucr_handbook.pdf) [40] that could be counted as legally raped before the FBI changed its definition (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-01-06/fbi-rape-definition-adds-men/52398350/1) [41] in December of 2011: 0
Number of rapes noted in commonly used World War II statistics: (http://www.statisticbrain.com/world-war-ii-statistics/) [42] 0
Number of rapes of WWII concentration camp inmates (http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005176) [43]: Untallied millions
Number of rapes of German women by Russian soldiers (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/may/01/news.features11) [44] at the end of WWII: between 1m and 2m
Number of women raped in 1990s Bosnian conflict (http://www.womenundersiegeproject.org/conflicts/profile/bosnia) [45]: 60,000+
Number of women raped per hour (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/12/48-women-raped-hour-congo) [46] in Congo during war: 48
Country where 12 year old was forced to participate in the rape of his mother: (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288512,00.html) [47] U.S.
Country where women are imprisoned (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-12-02/news/30464765_1_afghan-woman-plight-of-afghan-women-afghanistan) [48] for being raped: Afghanistan
Age of Moroccan rape victim who committed suicide (http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/03/14/200577.html) [49] after being forced to marry her rapist: 16
Worldwide number of "child brides" under the age of 18 forced to marry (http://www.care.org/campaigns/childmarriage/index.asp) [50] every day: 25,000
Ages of girls forced to marry a 59-year-old at the Tony Alamo Christian Ministry in Arkansas (http://articles.cnn.com/2010-06-23/living/o.child.brides.stories_1_jeanne-minors-across-state-lines-amy?_s=PM:LIVING) [51]: 8, 14, 15
Estimated number of people, primarily children, sexually abused (http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/PriestAbuseScandal.htm)[52] by priests in the U.S. versus the number of senior Catholic officials (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/22/us-usa-crime-church-idUSBRE85L13820120622) [53] found guilty of sexual abuse related crimes in the U.S.: 10,667 to 1
Chances that a woman in the U.S. is raped versus gets breast cancer (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/detection/probability-breast-cancer) [54]: 2 to 1
Chances that a victim is "Emergency Raped (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/16/1018891/linda-mcmahon-flip-flops-on-morning-after-pill-for-rape-victims/) [55]" by a stranger (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims) [30] versus percentage of victims who consider their rapes emergencies: 7 percent versus 100 percent
Percentage of victims of rape who report the use of a weapon (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders) [56]: 11 percent
Prison sentences for four men found guilty of (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/world/europe/france-appeal-in-gang-rape-case.html) [57] participating in gang rapes of two teenage girls in France over two years: one year, six months, suspended sentence
State where in 2012 a doctor is facing the loss of her medical license for providing an abortion to a pregnant10-year old incest rape victim (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/09/kansas-doctor-under-attack-for-not-forcing-ten-year-old-rape-victim-to-give-birth/) [58]: Kansas
Country where doctors (but not the rapist) (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/05/25/490171/brazil-excommunication-for-abortion/) [59] were excommunicated for performing a life-saving abortion to nine-year-old incest rape victim: Brazil
Country where major party's vice-presidential candidate wants to criminalize all abortions (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/paul-ryan-supports-personhood) [60] including rape-related ones, because rape is just "another method of conception (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cat5SyMBSpk) [61]": U.S.



http://www.alternet.org/gender/number-states-which-rapists-can-sue-custody-and-visitation-rights-31-and-other-shocking-rape

[Latarian Milton]

women use rape as an excuse for cheating on their husbands imho. know many u guys are married men here and most of you wouldn't scruple to have sex with some real hot females if you could, and you're fooling yourselves if you think your wives are less lecherous than you are. as the age of a marriage grows, the sexual appeal between the couple will decrease and it's natural instinct for the man, and the woman to seek random sexual pleasure outside of their marriage, and the man would be victimized if the bitch gets impregnanted by another man somehow and gives birth to a baby that the poor man considers his own.

bitches just don't dare to go beyond the basic moral standard, but it doesn't mean they don't want to. say if a chance is given, like when her boss asks her to have sex with him or a "rapist" takes her clothes off "by force", she would accept the rude proposal with pleasure. more than a half of working women have been sexually harrassed by their co-workers but few of them would report it to the police, not because of shame but that they actually have enjoyed being "molested" or "raped" even though they always pretend they don't like it.

rapists just do bitches a favor by giving them the stolen sexual pleasure, thing that bitches always wanted. if it's a legitimate rape that is done against the woman's will, there would be no chance of pregnancy because she would not reach climax and no ovum would be discharged during the process. those rape "victims" who got impregnanted by the rapists, although most of them would refuse to admit it, they really enjoyed being raped tbh. i mean if you really dont wanna have sex with someone you would never reach sexual climax with him/her. for example you're a guy and you're given a fat ugly bitch, and someone asks you to have sex with her and will grant you a reward for doing this, even though you really want the reward, you dick will not go hard enough for you to have sex no matter how hard you rub it.

[ploto]

... there would be no chance of pregnancy because she would not reach climax and no ovum would be discharged during the process.

You may want to go back to sex education. That is not how a woman's reproductive system works.

[boutons_deux]

"she would not reach climax and no ovum would be discharged during the process"

OMFG! :lol

garden-variety, ignorant-as-rocks right-wingers! gotta love 'em! :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'll bet Akin is out of the race by 5:00 P.M. tomorrow.

:lmao Yonivore
:lmao Republican shill
:lmao believing all the bullshit politico shoves down his fat neocon throat

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

rumor is the dude is gonna resign from the race.

:lmao

[boutons_deux]

Calif. Judge (ORANGE COUNTY!) Says Victim's Body Can Prevent Rape

Southern California judge is being publicly admonished for saying a rape victim "didn't put up a fight" during her assault and that if someone doesn't want sexual intercourse, the body "will not permit that to happen."


The California Commission on Judicial Performance voted 10-0 to impose a public admonishment Thursday, saying Superior Court Judge Derek Johnson's comments were inappropriate and a breach of judicial ethics.


"In the commission's view, the judge's remarks reflected outdated, biased and insensitive views about sexual assault victims who do not 'put up a fight.' Such comments cannot help but diminish public confidence and trust in the impartiality of the judiciary," wrote Lawrence J. Simi, the commission's chairman.


Johnson made the comments in the case of a man who threatened to mutilate the face and genitals of his ex-girlfriend with a heated screwdriver, beat her with a metal baton and made other violent threats before committing rape, forced oral copulation, and other crimes.


Though the woman reported the criminal threats the next day, the woman did not report the rape until 17 days later.


Johnson, a former prosecutor in the Orange County district attorney's sex crimes unit, said during the man's 2008 sentencing that he had seen violent cases on that unit in which women's vaginas were "shredded" by rape.


"I'm not a gynecologist, but I can tell you something: If someone doesn't want to have sexual intercourse, the body shuts down. The body will not permit that to happen unless a lot of damage is inflicted, and we heard nothing about that in this case," Johnson said.

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/314-18/15023-calif-judge-says-victims-body-can-prevent-rape

Another Repug/conservative member the ever larger Rape Caucus.

[Wild Cobra]

Another biased view, presented by ShazBot.

[boutons_deux]

New Mexico Bill Would Imprison Rape Victims Who Receive Abortions (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/24/1490691/new-mexico-lawmaker-rape-victims-who-get-abortions-should-be-arrested-for-tampering-with-evidence/)


http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/brown-200x300.jpg

Should a recently introduced bill in New Mexico become law, rape victims will be required to carry their pregnancies to term during their sexual assault trials or face charges of “tampering with evidence. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/new-mexico-abortion-bill_n_2541894.html?1359040877)”
Under HB 206, if a woman ended her pregnancy after being raped, both she and her doctor would be charged with a felony (http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/13%20Regular/bills/house/HB0206.pdf) punishable by up to 3 years in state prison (http://felonyguide.com/New-Mexico-Felony.php):


Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/24/1490691/new-mexico-lawmaker-rape-victims-who-get-abortions-should-be-arrested-for-tampering-with-evidence/

But NM probably has 1000s of rape kits with lots of evidence that police have not submitted to labs.

[Wild Cobra]

LOL...

Tampering with evidence...

LOL...

Go blue state!

[Wild Cobra]

Full disclosure, Wild Cobra -- I am one of the scholars on the committee.
So did you approve that language?

[Blake]

No, urban dictionary has a through process by which a committee of scholars of the utmost distinction carefully deliberate the merits of a proposed definition. Then, after a majority vote in favor of the the proposed definition, the proposed definition is published in the form of an exposure draft in which critics may comment or propose changes to the definition. Finally, after careful consideration of the critical comments and proposed changes, a final draft is generated and voted on. Only after that final draft has received a 2/3rds majority vote from the committee can it be published.


LOL...

Really now. The they are a partisan bunch if libtards.


WC, are you really that gullible? :lol


WC it's a humorous website. Anyone can submit a definition.


Isn't that what I implied to begin with?


I have no clue what your original point was at this time...


What was there to verify? Of course the term "legitimate rape" was made up, because before Akin, no one was asinine enough to suggest that.


That the definition is correct.


WC, it's a made up word/phrase. There's no "correct" definition, because the phrase doesn't exist.

holy shit. :lol

Roflmao

[redzero]

:cry you're taking him out of context :cry

[boutons_deux]

Ex-youth pastor describes felony sex crimes as extramarital ‘friendship’ in Christian journal

An online journal for Christian pastors published a lengthy account this week of one man’s “easy trip from youth minister to felon” that critics say makes apologies for rape.

Hundreds of Twitter users have urged Leadership Journal, which is published by Christianity Today, to #TakeDownThisPost (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TakeDownThatPost&src=typd).

Although the online journal has not removed the 2,540-word essay (http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/channel/utilities/print.html?type=article&id=118972), it added a postscript that addresses the controversy.

“In response to readers’ concerns, the author of this piece has offered the following clarification: ‘I recognize that what I initially considered a consensual relationship was actually preying on a minor,’” the postscript added. “Youth pastors who do the same are not ‘in relationship’ but are indeed sexual predators. I take 100 percent of the responsibility for what happened.”

The piece is as noteworthy for what the writer does not say than for what he does say.

The writer, who pleaded guilty to two felony charges and is currently serving a prison term, does not use the word “rape” once in the piece.

He does not mention the words “crime,” “law,” “statutory,” or “illegal.”

“Leadership Journal allows a convicted child abuser a platform to manipulatively frame this as a story of personal selfishness and infidelity without one word about molestation, statutory rape, sexual grooming, or the abuse of power and children entrusted to the care of adults at a church,”writes blogger Susannah Paul, at The Smitten Word (http://www.somuchshoutingsomuchlaughter.com/2014/06/because-purity-culture-habors-rape-abuse.html).

The word “responsibility” appears only once – in the postscript – and he never refers to his victim using a gendered noun.

Instead, he describes the sexual relationship he engaged in with the minor girl as an extramarital affair that he blames, at least in part, on his wife.

“The realities of parenthood and marriage were sinking in, and I felt unappreciated at home,” the former pastor wrote. “From my perspective, I was excelling at work and at home — and this perceived lack of appreciation led me to believe I deserved more.”

He writes that he began flirting with one of the students entrusted to his care by her parents, and they began communicating through social media and text messages.

“Flirting led to a physical relationship,” the former pastor writes. “It was all very slow and gradual, but it was constantly escalating. We were both riddled with guilt and tried to end things, but the allure of sin was strong. We had given the devil far more than a foothold and had quenched the Holy Spirit’s prodding so many times, there was little-to-no willpower left.”

The writer laments that he failed to properly repent for his sin, and he urges readers to do so before losing their families and jobs – as he has.

“Not once did he mention what he did to the girl, the church, or her family,” writes an anonymous guest blogger at Redemption Pictures (http://redemptionpictures.com/2014/06/13/my-innocence-was-stolen/). “Not once did he mention the detrimental impact this will inevitably have on her for likely her entire life.”

“Not once did he mention that no minor wakes up one day and just thinks, ‘I’d really like to be sexually involved with my youth pastor and have him do things to me that no one has ever done to me before,’” continues the blogger, who identifies herself as a former teenage victim of rape by her own youth pastor. “Not once did he mention that what he called a friendship was really just a classic period of predatory grooming.”

Blogger Elizabeth Esther (http://www.elizabethesther.com/2014/06/an-open-letter-to-christianity-today-take-down-the-rape-post-its-not-an-extramarital-relationship-its-rape-ctmagazine.html) argues that the journal would not likely publish a similar column by a priest who had sexually abused an “adoring” altar boy.

“Because predators are usually quite good with words — which is exactly HOW they groomed their prey — a predator’s weapon of choice is words,” Esther writes. “WHY would a Christian publication give him that kind of power again? WHILE HE’S IN JAIL, NO LESS!!!!”

She said true confession and seeking amends should take place privately, between the predator and the victim’s family.

“TRUE repentance isn’t about page views via JUICY HEADLINES,” Esther adds.

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This echos the Repug view that an underage girl consenting to sex is not "legitimately" raped.

All y'all tell me once again all the wonderful things you Repugs, tea baggers, Christians do for America! :lol

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GOP Congressladies Would Like To Stop Talking About Legitimate Rape Please

the House will vote on H.R. 36, (http://wonkette.com/571420/gop-house-fixes-all-nations-problems-on-first-day-back-by-banning-abortion-again) the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, a bill that would ban all abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy, except when the life of the woman is physically at risk, or in cases of rape or incest where the woman has reported the rape or incest to the police or another appropriate government agency.

Just to be clear, Republicans are still making a distinction between “crime rape” where a stranger rapes you and you go to the police (that kind of rape is “legitimate” rape, and so we suppose you should be allowed to have an abortion),

and partner or marital rape, where you might go the police, but you might not, because it’s complicated (that kind of rape is way less legitimate, and probably it wasn’t even rape, and it should not qualify you for an abortion, because you are probably just lying that your boyfriend raped you, and that’s why you didn’t call the police).

Yes, it is a brand-new Congress, but we are sad to say that we are still talking about “legitimate rape.” Republican Congressbros still haven’t learned that Ladies (and Men, too!) hate this Republican parsing of the concept that not all rape is a crime, or perhaps not all forcible sex is rape. Even Republican Congressladies aren’t on board with this part of the bill. Really? Yes, really.

Ellmers said last week:

“I have urged leadership to reconsider bringing it up next week.… We got into trouble last year, and I think we need to be careful again; we need to be smart about how we’re moving forward,” Ellmers said in an interview.

“The first vote we take, or the second vote, or the fifth vote, shouldn’t be on an issue where we know that millennials—social issues just aren’t as important [to them].”


http://wonkette.com/573122/gop-congressladies-would-like-to-stop-talking-about-legitimate-rape-please

Repug reach out, aka War on Women (because God told them to do it)

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U.S. House Republicans drop vote on abortion bill

Republican leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives, facing a revolt from female Republicans in the chamber, dropped plans on Wednesday night for a vote on a bill that would ban abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy, according to media reports.

The measure, which the White House had threatened to veto, allowed exceptions in cases of rape where the victims had reported the crime to authorities.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/22/us-usa-abortion-congress-idUSKBN0KV07Z20150122?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews