Quick Grades: Spurs vs. Jazz -- Nov. 3

[timvp]

Tim Duncan A-
Another strong all-around game that featured key production on both ends.

Manu Ginobili B+
Nothing shocking in his 2012-13 debut. Predictably helped right away.

Tony Parker A-
Had lulls but he did well orchestrating the offense most of the night.

Kawhi Leonard A-
Extremely efficient offensively. Quiet yet solid defensively.

Danny Green A-
Precise in all facets on offense. Defense was good but not great.

Boris Diaw B+
Very stout individual defense but everything else was lacking.

Tiago Splitter D+
Soft finishes ruined what could have been a quality outing.

Matt Bonner C+
A lot better ... but still has a ways to go.

Stephen Jackson B-
He had a few memorable plays but was mostly too passive.

Gary Neal C+
He took gunning to a whole new level. D took a step back.

Nando De Colo Inc.
Surprise cameo in the fourth. Passing instantly shined.

Pop B
A little slow in his damage control but correct calls in fourth.

[Richie]

Havent seen much of him, how good is De Colos defence?

[AussieFanKurt]

Havent seen much of him, how good is De Colos defence?

I was asking myself the same question, didn't get a good indication of it during game obviously - too little time. I haven't seen him play before

[Libri]

Tiago Splitter D+
Soft finishes ruined what could have been a quality outing.


So we can conclude that this is the type of player Splitter will be for the rest of his career?

[naico]

In the few minutes De Colo played he didn't look lost for one and gave passes most players wouldn't dare throw. Certainly not in his position.

[z0sa]

splitter is officially a disappointment

[timvp]

So we can conclude that this is the type of player Splitter will be for the rest of his career?

Splitter started slow last season too ... also because of softness in the paint. After a couple weeks he started playing very well. Let's hope that repeats this season.

[justinandimcool]

if Splitter learned how to dunk we'd be singing a different tune about tonight. he cut beautifully and was in position. the dude just needs an attitude/intensity adjustment.

[Ice009]

How can Stephen Jackson be passive when no one passes him the ball? He hardly even gets a touch on offense. He doesn't need to shoot the ball every time he gets it, but why don't his teammates pass him the ball so he can at least get a touch every now and then. It's gotta be hard for him to get any kind of rhythm going when he doesn't even see the ball.

I've kind of had enough of Gary Neal just running down the court and jacking up shots. It's getting ridiculous. He needs to get people involved.

[DapDaGenius]

So we can conclude that this is the type of player Splitter will be for the rest of his career?

Does Splitter have a special coach or something? If not, they should really consider getting Splitter a special coach to help him improve his game and stop being so dang soft.

[Boomersgold]

Gary Neal isn't a real point guard. Everyone knows this by now. He doesn't look to pass and jacks up shots at a ridiculous rate when he's playing.

De Colo is the complete opposite of Neal. He never looks to score and is a pass first point guard. He's slow and struggles to defend fast guards and is a very low percentage shooter.

[ace3g]

The problem with Splitter is that when he gets to the basket, he goes up with his hand on the side of the ball instead of on the front as if he was going to palm the ball. It is in the same motion as if he was trying his "hook" shot. A slight change in how he holds the ball as he goes in for a layup would help greatly.

[jesterbobman]

The poor finishing comment about Splitter is correct. It was the glaring weakness, he'd get in good position after doing all of the hard work, and then tossed it up weakly.

He'll probably get better as the season goes on, getting rhythm back, and playing weak reserves later. So far, we've gone up against teams with pretty solid reserve front courts. Jason Smith is a good backup Center, Thabeet is Big, and Collison is maybe the most underrated player in the NBA, and the jazz have Favors on the bench. There are easier match ups with bench centers to come.

Kawhi and Green were ridiculously efficient.

[Malik Hairston]

Splitter is one of the most efficient cutters in the NBA, tbh..he seemingly always makes the correct cut to the basket, his positioning is great, his pick and roll game is great..it's a shame that he can't finish with power, the Spurs would have the ideal player that they have been missing, tbh..

[therealtruth]

The poor finishing comment about Splitter is correct. It was the glaring weakness, he'd get in good position after doing all of the hard work, and then tossed it up weakly.

He'll probably get better as the season goes on, getting rhythm back, and playing weak reserves later. So far, we've gone up against teams with pretty solid reserve front courts. Jason Smith is a good backup Center, Thabeet is Big, and Collison is maybe the most underrated player in the NBA, and the jazz have Favors on the bench. There are easier match ups with bench centers to come.

Kawhi and Green were ridiculously efficient.

It would help if the Spurs could actually develop bigs.

[ChumpDumper]

It would help if the Spurs could actually develop bigs.lol broken record.

Whoever needs to be told to throw it down big man is Charmin soft.

[TDMVPDPOY]

tims d this game...why didnt he attempt to block that favors dunk..?

[024]

Splitter should be a spokesman for Charmin Ultra Soft toilet paper.

[freetiago]

too many minutes for the sandwich man once again
dont know what pop is thinking
bonner spreads the floor on one end but in reality he just passes up shots or when people care to defend him they can rotate out since his release is slow and low
and on the other end he gets thrown around and the other team feasts on the offensive glass

i need to see a gif of that time favors backdown on bonner and bonner got hit in the face and acted like a little bitch

[Spurs da champs]

splitter is officially a disappointment

lol Splitter was officially a disappointment when he couldn't post up Derek Fisher.

[Sean Cagney]

How can Stephen Jackson be passive when no one passes him the ball? He hardly even gets a touch on offense. He doesn't need to shoot the ball every time he gets it, but why don't his teammates pass him the ball so he can at least get a touch every now and then. It's gotta be hard for him to get any kind of rhythm going when he doesn't even see the ball.

I've kind of had enough of Gary Neal just running down the court and jacking up shots. It's getting ridiculous. He needs to get people involved.

Yep Neal at the PG is a joke, I said it on another board and some other idiot said he practiced it in the offseason and can run the backup PG! I nearly laughed myself to sleep. Neal is not a PG and never will be, get it POP? I doubt he does. HIS SHOT SELECTION IS FLAT OUT HORRIBLE AT TIMES, period.
tims d this game...why didnt he attempt to block that favors dunk..?

LOL You point out Tims D out of all things in this game? For one missed block? Are you serious?

[Spurs da champs]

You would think Gary's chucker mentality would've worn thin with Pop by now.

[LegendaryFan44]

Gary Neal should definitely apo
logize to everyone for his 11 points in 12 minutes of play.

[LittleCriminal]

Gary Neal should definitely apo
logize to everyone for his 11 points in 12 minutes of play.

The point you make is mute considering the player he guarded also scored 12 points!!

[Beanzamillion21]

Maybe that is what SJax needs to do? Please don't complain, Spurs are picking up right where they left off.

[Ice009]

Maybe that is what SJax needs to do? Please don't complain, Spurs are picking up right where they left off.

What do you mean that is what SJax needs to do?

[bklynspursfan]

tims d this game...why didnt he attempt to block that favors dunk..?

He already picked up a foul, that would've been his 2nd in the first. Wasn't worth it...

[tenbeersbold]

Man that 3rd quarter was classic NBA bs,TV ratings dont like blow-outs and the Spurs...hell no.
The refs choked on their whistles for most of the 3rd as the Jazz slowly figured out they had the green light to foul the hell away on defense and the Spurs were gettin' called for being even near a jazz ball-handler.F! that,man do I miss the days when the NBA wasn't such a corporate entertainment product....

[spurs10]

Thanks timvp! Always look forward to your grades. Only saw part of the game, but will be watching it all this evening. Thanks for the hopeful caveat that Tiago usually picks up his game as the season goes on.
:flag::flag::flag:

[Chomag]

Man that 3rd quarter was classic NBA bs,TV ratings dont like blow-outs and the Spurs...hell no.
The refs choked on their whistles for most of the 3rd as the Jazz slowly figured out they had the green light to foul the hell away on defense and the Spurs were gettin' called for being even near a jazz ball-handler.F! that,man do I miss the days when the NBA wasn't such a corporate entertainment product....

Just stop...

This had nothing to do with the refs.

[Kidd K]

I don't get the grades sometimes tbh. How's Diaw a high grade like B+ and Duncan, Leonard and Green just A-'s? Diaw was a ghost on offense, and those other three were good on both ends fo the floor and scored nearly half our points. Those other three played much better overall games.

[jesterbobman]

I don't get the grades sometimes tbh. How's Diaw a high grade like B+ and Duncan, Leonard and Green just A-'s? Diaw was a ghost on offense, and those other three were good on both ends fo the floor and scored nearly half our points. Those other three played much better overall games.
Unless something has changed, they're graded on a curve. More is expected from Parker, Duncan and Leonard than Diaw, so they have to be better than average(For them) to get a good grade.

[Kidd K]

Unless something has changed, they're graded on a curve. More is expected from Parker, Duncan and Leonard than Diaw, so they have to be better than average(For them) to get a good grade.

That's what I thought before, but that's why I included Green in my question. Seems weird that he'd only get an A- while playing good D and dropping 21 pts with only one miss, and Diaw gets a B+ with 2 points scored. Green pretty much did well above what I'd expect from him typically, and Diaw really stunk on offense imo (not just scoring but just being passive and sloppy. I think Diaw is expected to play decent D', and to do a lot more than he did on offense. So the B+ just seems out of place imo. No big deal though, most of them seem accurate to me.

[Galileo]

That's what I thought before, but that's why I included Green in my question. Seems weird that he'd only get an A- while playing good D and dropping 21 pts with only one miss, and Diaw gets a B+ with 2 points scored. Green pretty much did well above what I'd expect from him typically, and Diaw really stunk on offense imo (not just scoring but just being passive and sloppy. I think Diaw is expected to play decent D', and to do a lot more than he did on offense. So the B+ just seems out of place imo. No big deal though, most of them seem accurate to me.

That's why they are called 'quick grades'.

:lmao

[cd021]

How can Stephen Jackson be passive when no one passes him the ball? He hardly even gets a touch on offense. He doesn't need to shoot the ball every time he gets it, but why don't his teammates pass him the ball so he can at least get a touch every now and then. It's gotta be hard for him to get any kind of rhythm going when he doesn't even see the ball.

I've kind of had enough of Gary Neal just running down the court and jacking up shots. It's getting ridiculous. He needs to get people involved.


Jackson is more of a spot up shooter when playing late in the 4th. With the 2nd unit he has more free range post smaller players attack the rim off the dribble and off of screens.

[Ice009]

Jackson is more of a spot up shooter when playing late in the 4th. With the 2nd unit he has more free range post smaller players attack the rim off the dribble and off of screens.

No one passes him the ball though, even when he is open for a shot he gets frozen out at times, with Neal I assume he just doesn't see him, but even Manu seems to ignore him at times too.

Game 6 in OKC is another example. He was locked in and they still didn't even really look for him all that much, didn't really run any plays for him to get open when he was hot.

[Aussie]

No one passes him the ball though, even when he is open for a shot he gets frozen out at times, with Neal I assume he just doesn't see him, but even Manu seems to ignore him at times too.

Game 6 in OKC is another example. He was locked in and they still didn't even really look for him all that much, didn't really run any plays for him to get open when he was hot.

Speaking of ignoring - why doesn't Mills get a decent run ?

[AussieFanKurt]

Speaking of ignoring - why doesn't Mills get a decent run ?

He hasn't played deserving of minutes lately, if he had his form of late last season than yes but ultimately other players are playing better right now

[ChumpDumper]

More like your bullshit defense gave up 13 softly--contested points in a row to Mo Williams, and turning the ball over recklessly. Have some fuckign parity, what about mentioning a garbage 3inthekey call that took away Hayward three, which could've made it a 2 point game?lol Jazz lost

[cd021]

No one passes him the ball though, even when he is open for a shot he gets frozen out at times, with Neal I assume he just doesn't see him, but even Manu seems to ignore him at times too.

Game 6 in OKC is another example. He was locked in and they still didn't even really look for him all that much, didn't really run any plays for him to get open when he was hot.

True. but you can really say that about almost any wing that Manu plays with. Manu passes mostly when attacking off the screens. He forces wing defenders to collapse and then can kick out. Jackson isn't the same spot up 3pt shooter as he was in his 1st time with the spurs he is starting to play more in the post. dribble off the screens and attack the rim he actually doesn't take 3pters as much as he used to IMO.