homeowner arrested for killing intruders

[Trill Clinton]

Little Falls Man Byron Smith Accused of Killing Two Teen Burglars, Not Reporting Shooting
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Minnesota man Byron Scott, left, was taken into custody after he shot and killed two teens who he said had broken into his home. The victims were cousins 18-year-old Haley Kifer, right, and 17-year-old Nicholas Brady, center.


Police have taken into custody a 64-year-old Minnesota man accused of killing two teens he said broke into his home and hiding their bodies in his basement.
Byron Smith was arrested after he told police officers of the shooting a day later, after they visited his home to investigate reports of suspicious activities.
‘Smith immediately told the deputies that he had shot and killed two people breaking into his home the day prior,’ the sheriff's office said in a news release.
Police said that they recovered the body of an 18-year-old female and a 17-year-old male from Smith’s home, and ABC News affiliate KSTP-TV in Minnesota is reporting that the two are cousins Haley Kifer and Nicholas Brady.


Minnesota law stipulates that individuals are permitted to use deadly force when defending their homes, but authorities said that there was evidence to suggest that Smith may have gone beyond self defense.


‘A person has every right to defend themselves and their homes, even employing deadly force if necessary,’ Morrison County Sheriff Michel Wetzel said in a news release. ‘Circumstances of this case however, led deputies to believe that Smith went beyond that point.’
Smith, a former government employee who also worked in security, was arrested Friday and is being held on second degree murder charges. He will appear in court Monday where more details will likely emerge.



According to his friends, Smith said that he had didn’t go to police immediately after the shooting because he panicked.
‘He was very traumatized by what had occurred and didn’t know who to call or what to do and that is very sad that the whole even happened,’ Kathy Lange said of her friend to KSTP-TV.
http://www.gadailynews.com/files.php?file=assets-2012/article_2238386_16365EB8000005DC_808_634x456_60732 5776.jpg Victims: Cousins Kifer and Brady were said to have been robbing Smith's home when they were shot and killed.

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Different Pictures: Friends and family said that Brady (left) and Kifer (right) were model students, while others said that they weren't surprised they would be involved in a robbery. Smith believes the two have robbed his home more than once.


John Lange said that Smith might have ‘snapped’ after having been burglarized at least twice before by other teens in the area, according to the Star Tribune. Smith said that he suspected that the two had been responsible for at least some of those past robberies.



Students who went to the same school as Brady, one of the victims, said that they weren’t surprised that he would be involved in a robbery.
‘He gets in trouble at school a lot and it’s something that could happen with his friend group,’ Forest Wonderlich told KSTP-TV.
Meanwhile, those who knew the two painted a starkly different picture.



Kifer was a senior at Little Falls High School who was heavily involved in diving and gymnastics, while principal Scott Doss of Pillager High School, where Brady had attended, said he had a ‘million-dollar smile.’
A Facebook tribute page has already been made for the two where commenters have posted notes like ‘Hope The Authorities Figure out How Everything Really Happened and Soon' and 'Absolutely deplorable! The truth will come out eventually.'

[koriwhat]

fuck it! if they were actually robbing the dude, they deserved what they got. no sympathy for pathetic fucks that steal from others.

[mouse]

fuck it! if they were actually robbing the dude, they deserved what they got. no sympathy for pathetic fucks that steal from others.

So that ring in your avatar is yours?

[Riddler]

Why hide the bodies? It wasn't self defense.

[Trill Clinton]

he was frightened.

its not every day a person kill intruders.

i hope this man is found innocent and let free.

[koriwhat]

So that ring in your avatar is yours?

dude you should be arrested for being a dumbfuck 24/7 or at least housed for your down syndrom. btw, it's a fuckin' image, not a ring but a dumbass like you can't tell the difference huh?

[ChumpDumper]

Doesn't sound right.

[CubanSucks]

No sympathy for the kids but the guy can't just not report it to the police, that's fucking weird

[koriwhat]

No sympathy for the kids but the guy can't just not report it to the police, that's fucking weird

yeah, no doubt about that.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Is this guy related to phyzik?

[mouse]

i hope this man is found innocent and let free.


I would wait for the results of the DNA found in the young mans ass first.

[mouse]

what a waste, at least koriwhat would have practiced his tattooing skills on them before calling the cops.

[koriwhat]

what a waste, at least koriwhat would have practiced his tattooing skills on them before calling the cops.

who the fuck needs practice? only one i see here that needs practice is you mouse, your comedy is well very stale and very shitty.

[mouse]

who the fuck needs practice? .

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6009/5906515971_7bd8e75657.jpg

[DMC]

Very strange, but if they were two black guys, no one would think it was strange at all, just the fact he hid them. Certainly the fact they are lily white and nice looking young people causes people to think the old dude is hiding something.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Off the thread title I was ready to come in here full of bluster in this guy's favor, but you put down two burglars and toss their bodies in the basement instead of calling the cops? That's a whole lot of shady right there. Don't know what kind of security work the guy but that seems like the sort of thing where he might be a little more educated than the average citizen on the do's and don'ts of using deadly force. I also don't know how different the laws are up there vs here in Texas, where the law is most definitely on the homeowner's side in cases like this, but it sounds like it must be something pretty solid for the cops to jump straight to charging him with murder. Maybe the wounds were more execution style or it looked like he sat them down at gun point before blowing them away.

[Drachen]

The last shot to the girl was up underneath her chin pointed toward the top of her head. He said it was "a good kill shot"

[koriwhat]

The last shot to the girl was up underneath her chin pointed toward the top of her head. He said it was "a good kill shot"

for real? holy hell!

[The Reckoning]

she was fine

[Drachen]

link (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/181011901.html)


A Minnesota man authorities say shot and killed two teenagers who apparently broke into his home on Thanksgiving did not reap the benefit of the state's castle doctrine.

Despite that law, prosecutors have charged 64-year-old David Byron Smith with two counts of second degree murder. The details of the shootings suggest why Smith didn't deserve any benefit of the doubt.

As the Associated Press reports, Smith told authorities he was in his basement when he heard a window breaking upstairs. He saw someone coming down the stairs and shot Nicholas Schaeffel, 17, as he descended.

When Schaeffle's cousin, Haile Kifer, 18, then followed down the stairs, Smith shot her too, the APreported, citing the criminal complaint, which includes some chilling details.

Smith told investigators he shot Kifer several times with a rifle, but then again in the chest with handgun because she had laughed after the first shots.

"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again," Smith told investigators, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday.

He dragged her body away from the foot of the stairs, and when he saw she was still gasping for air, Smith fired once more under her chin, which he described to investigators as "a good clean finishing shot."

Minnesota's governor earlier this year vetoed a bill that would have expanded the state's castle doctrine to places outside the home, and limited the duty to retreat from threatening situations before resorting to deadly force.

Current law allows a homeowner to use deadly force only if a reasonable person would believe they were in danger of harm. Smith told police he feared the intruders had weapons.

[Drachen]

I can't find the original article I read about it, but they said he described it up under the chin toward the top of the head. Also, he shot her several times until his gun jammed up and he went to go grab another gun to finish shooting her then the kill shot.

[Fabbs]

More information needed.
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[koriwhat]

pretty fucking harsh on his part but still... those fucking thieves should've been raised right instead of acting like a piece of shit, in the end what that dude did wasn't exactly right but those teenagers should've known better. it doesn't look as if those kids were raised to fend for themselves, looks as though they were brought up with the necessities and well their parents should've taught them right from wrong. shit, i was brought up in a single parent home and didn't have much growing up but i've never stolen and never would. fuck it, shitty situation but those two put themselves in it.

[Fabbs]

He dragged her body away from the foot of the stairs, and when he saw she was still gasping for air, Smith fired once more under her chin, which he described to investigators as "a good clean finishing shot."


If this is accurate ^^ i think he's toast.

[Drachen]

He dragged her body away from the foot of the stairs, and when he saw she was still gasping for air, Smith fired once more under her chin, which he described to investigators as "a good clean finishing shot."


If this is accurate ^^ i think he's toast.

Yes, because at this point he knows she isn't a threat. He could probably win if it was just him dead and she got shot, but he will catch at least one conviction for that right there.

[Drachen]

Also, the one I read said that he said he didn't call the cops right away because he "didn't want to disturb them on the holiday"

[DeadlyDynasty]

That mugshot next to the two pics of the youngins certainly won't do him any favors in the court of PO

[Trill Clinton]

i wonder if the white community will rally behind these kids.

will there be a trayvon martin type outcry for justice?

EDIT* nvrmind. this guy went straight to jail unlike the dude in florida.

[DeadlyDynasty]

In both cases the victims were in places they shouldn't have been...in only one case did the victim actually attack though

[CubanSucks]

i wonder if the white community will rally behind these kids.

will there be a trayvon martin type outcry for justice?

EDIT* nvrmind. this guy went straight to jail unlike the dude in florida.

You mean the shooter who's also white? :lmao try harder you dumbass race-baiting nig

And let's just say the shooter was black, you sure as fuck wouldn't see the kind of reaction like with Trayvon Martin, maybe because white people don't need something to cling onto and bitch about


the dude in florida.

His name's George Zimmerman. Is your memory that bad?

[Trill Clinton]

In both cases the victims were in places they shouldn't have been...in only one case did the victim actually attack though

i don't want to derail the thread anymore but i disagree about all the victimes being where they shouldn't have.

[Wild Cobra]

Why hide the bodies? It wasn't self defense.
He may have been in shock afterwards. Who knows. What would your state of mind be after shooting intruders? Would you think clearly of what to do next?

No telling unless more details are released.

[Trill Clinton]

some bullshit

lol@ "white people don't need something to cling onto and bitch about", right.

fam you lust after children and you're a fan of lord of the rings.

don't quote me or @ me until you graduate to seeking out adult women and stop attending comic cons.

fucking nerd.

[pass1st]

Need to know the details. On one side you have a man killing intruders, which is fine. The other side you have the old man hiding the bodies, something he might do out of fear but it is still pretty sketchy.

[ChumpDumper]

Doesn't sound right.Hoo boy.

[cantthinkofanything]

i don't want to derail the thread anymore but i disagree about all the victimes being where they shouldn't have.

Humor me with a little experiment if you will…
Close your eyes. You’re alone in your house…your castle. You worked hard to get to this spot. Roof over your head…TV…a bed…some books…other trinkets…some rubber batman figurines…stuff. Over the last few weeks, things have begun to turn up missing. Also, things seem to be moved around from how you remembered them. Now you’re watching TV. You hear a jar break down the hall. You grab your gun and go investigate. You see a couple of people running away down your hall…pants down to their knees. As on turns, a glint of gold flashes from their mouth. You raise your gun and fire. POW POW POW. Two bodies go down. As you approach, you have a sudden urge to have diarrhea. You pull down your pants and squirt all over the hall rug. You have to go change pants and clean up this mess. Later as you are finishing your TV show, you remember there are a couple of bodies in the hall. You go back and find one dead white boy and one white girl, barely breathing. You shoot her in the head and then dry hump her. Open your eyes. You were in the wrong house. Also, you are wearing panty hose filled with earthworms and spiders.

[HoratioCain]

When it came to defending his home.......he aimed to please.

[Trill Clinton]

Humor me with a little experiment if you will…
Close your eyes. You’re alone in your house…your castle. You worked hard to get to this spot. Roof over your head…TV…a bed…some books…other trinkets…some rubber batman figurines…stuff. Over the last few weeks, things have begun to turn up missing. Also, things seem to be moved around from how you remembered them. Now you’re watching TV. You hear a jar break down the hall. You grab your gun and go investigate. You see a couple of people running away down your hall…pants down to their knees. As on turns, a glint of gold flashes from their mouth. You raise your gun and fire. POW POW POW. Two bodies go down. As you approach, you have a sudden urge to have diarrhea. You pull down your pants and squirt all over the hall rug. You have to go change pants and clean up this mess. Later as you are finishing your TV show, you remember there are a couple of bodies in the hall. You go back and find one dead white boy and one white girl, barely breathing. You shoot her in the head and then dry hump her. Open your eyes. You were in the wrong house. Also, you are wearing panty hose filled with earthworms and spiders.

:rollin:rollin:rollin

whats up man?

[Trill Clinton]

what parts of his story don't sound right?

[cantthinkofanything]

what parts of his story don't sound right?

the parts where the burglars are white

[DeadlyDynasty]

i don't want to derail the thread anymore but i disagree about all the victimes being where they shouldn't have.
Trayvon was trespassing in a gated community. White people pay good money to be separated from that element of society.


lol@ "white people don't need something to cling onto and bitch about", right.

fam you lust after children and you're a fan of lord of the rings.

don't quote me or @ me until you graduate to seeking out adult women and stop attending comic cons.

fucking nerd.
:lol the goods

[ChumpDumper]

what parts of his story don't sound right?
http://cdn.styleforum.net/7/7e/7efc0b3f_not_sure_if_serious_jack_nicholson_the_sh ining.jpeg

[DeadlyDynasty]

He may have been in shock afterwards. Who knows. What would your state of mind be after shooting intruders? Would you think clearly of what to do next?

No telling unless more details are released.

It's a miracle you've lived this long despite being so utterly stupid.

[Wild Cobra]

It's a miracle you've lived this long despite being so utterly stupid.
Are you saying he was clear headed after the incident?

[Trill Clinton]

Trayvon was trespassing in a gated community. White people pay good money to be separated from that element of society.




lol foh

[GoodOdor]

Are you saying he was clear headed after the incident?

Was that before, or after he shot the girl execution style?

This guy must be your new hero, he did what you fantasize about doing(well, except for them being white, and not minorities).

[DeadlyDynasty]

Are you saying he was clear headed after the incident?
Are you implying that he was "clear-headed" before the incident?

[Trill Clinton]

http://cdn.styleforum.net/7/7e/7efc0b3f_not_sure_if_serious_jack_nicholson_the_sh ining.jpeg

i know its a crazy story but what other details would you like?

outside of him admitting to executing the girl, it seems like a case of self defense.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I guess no one can say for sure what they'd do in that situation--and if it was dark then he had no way of knowing how innocuous the intruders really were (teenage girl, boy). That being said, I can safely assume that once I shot the intruders and saw who they were, I would probably call the police rather than go the execution and body-snatching route.

jmo

[ChumpDumper]

i know its a crazy story but what other details would you like?

outside of him admitting to executing the girl, it seems like a case of self defense.lol outside of

[Trill Clinton]

i do agree.

i would call 911 as well.

but i'm still in my prime.

this is a senior citizen we're talking about.

its obvious he has a mental illness by the statements he made in regards to executing the girl...........and his jail photo.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'd bet a couple greenbacks that he probably bagged a few VC in his day...might even have kept a couple ears or fingers as trophies.

[DMC]

OK so they broke into the wrong house, but homie is going to be getting a smaller bedroom.

[Trill Clinton]

I'd bet a couple greenbacks that he probably bagged a few VC in his day...might even have kept a couple ears or fingers as trophies.

i wouldn't put it past him.

old people aren't wired tight. word to the bus driver who uppercutted that hoodrat.

these kids gone learn to stop fucking with senior citizens.

[koriwhat]

lol@ "white people don't need something to cling onto and bitch about", right.

fam you lust after children and you're a fan of lord of the rings.

don't quote me or @ me until you graduate to seeking out adult women and stop attending comic cons.

fucking nerd.

Lol and so true. Cant believe people actually communicate with that dude after he outright confessed to wanting to fuck minors. Sick pedo fuck!

[redzero]

Are you saying he was clear headed after the incident?

Going from his recounting of the events, he seemed pretty clear-headed during the incident.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you saying he was clear headed after the incident?I'm going to say he was clear-headed the entire time.

His lawyer can try to convince a jury he was not. And after the incident doesn't really matter all that much aside from the clear fact he was hiding the fact he shot two people.

[CubanSucks]

He may have been in shock afterwards. Who knows. What would your state of mind be after shooting intruders? Would you think clearly of what to do next?

No telling unless more details are released.

what the fuck are you talking about? His conscience should be pretty fucking clear if he actually had a reason to shoot. That's the stupidest excuse


lol@ "white people don't need something to cling onto and bitch about", right.

fam you lust after children and you're a fan of lord of the rings.

don't quote me or @ me until you graduate to seeking out adult women and stop attending comic cons.

fucking nerd.

:lol now you're down to petty name calling using shit that I've openly posted about. I didn't know it was that unusual to find teenage girls attractive and love some of the greatest movies ever made. Is your ass sore cause there's no black people in any of them?

I've never been to a comic-con but I'd love to if I had the time and it were closer. But anywho, back to your laughable nignog stupidity

[ploto]

This does not sound like a guy who is defending himself any longer.

Smith told investigators he shot Kifer several times with a rifle, but then again in the chest with handgun because she had laughed after the first shots.

"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again," Smith told investigators, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday.

[Trill Clinton]

:lol now you're down to petty name calling using shit that I've openly posted about. I didn't know it was that unusual to find teenage girls attractive and love some of the greatest movies ever made. Is your ass sore cause there's no black people in any of them?

I've never been to a comic-con but I'd love to if I had the time and it were closer. But anywho, back to your laughable nignog stupidity

oh so now name calling is petty after you did the same thing in your initial post towards me?

yes its unusual for a grown man, which i assume you are, to find adolescent girls attractive.

there are a lot more mature woman out there.

you don't have to settle for wondering if she's of age, the flat chests and thin frames.

i want you to do better.

[CubanSucks]

oh so now name calling is petty after you did the same thing in your initial post towards me?

my name calling came after I shit all over your first post


yes its unusual for a grown man, which i assume you are, to find adolescent girls attractive.

there are a lot more mature woman out there.

you don't have to settle for wondering if she's of age, the flat chests and thin frames.

i want you to do better.

I don't know your definition of grown man but I'm 23 just fyi

Who's settling? In most of the posts where I talk about this shit I also mention how I'm very broad in my attraction. Pretty much from adolescence to 50s and curvy/voluptuous to thin. Shit, I'd fuck chicks like Mal Malloy and Susan Lucci if the opportunity arrived

[mavs>spurs]

normally i'd side with the homeowner 99% of the time but this guy is a sicko

[Latarian Milton]

it would be more plausible if he disembowelled the buglars since they killed his families but what's the point in hiding their bodies in the basement?

[silverblk mystix]

fuck it! if they were actually robbing the dude, they deserved what they got. no sympathy for pathetic fucks that steal from others.

lol...you just posted about how much you hate cops in another thread and now - you are encouraging a guy who played judge, jury and executioner....

wonder what kind of a cop you would be....:lmao

[TDMVPDPOY]

the female that laugh after being shot, did she laugh cause she knew shes going to get paid?

[DMC]

the female that laugh after being shot, did she laugh cause she knew shes going to get paid?

Haven't you heard the KISS song "Detroit, Rock City"?

[Koolaid_Man]

normally i'd side with the homeowner 99% of the time but this guy is a sicko

he did the right thing..don't feel sorry because they were white..that could have easily been you too bad it wasn't

[TDMVPDPOY]

white ppl carrying out gods work, selective selection

[koriwhat]

lol...you just posted about how much you hate cops in another thread and now - you are encouraging a guy who played judge, jury and executioner....

wonder what kind of a cop you would be....:lmao

you missed the point... i hate cops, true, and i think what this dude did was sick but that doesn't mean i don't think those dumbfuck kids didn't deserve to die. i think all thieves deserve death, fuck those that think they have the right to steal from others, work for your shit!

btw, there's no need to wonder what kind of cop i'd be because i'd never choose such a profession. you sir can count yourself right up there with those thieves because in my mind, most cops are scum!

[Wild Cobra]

Was that before, or after he shot the girl execution style?

I never saw that anywhere. What link did I mess that from? I am only keeping the open mind that he may have rightfully shot intruders and then was a basketcase, and made bad choices. If you have evidence of foul play, then you need to be a witness.

[koriwhat]

I never saw that anywhere. What link did I mess that from? I am only keeping the open mind that he may have rightfully shot intruders and then was a basketcase, and made bad choices. If you have evidence of foul play, then you need to be a witness.

i read it too in an article i found elsewhere online... "to end her suffering i shot her up under the chin", something like that. plus that he was pissed she laughed at him after the first initial shot so he finished her off.

crazy people out there indeed. i used to live across the street from a couple psychos only to find out a couple yrs back that the husband murdered his wife all crazy like, knife, hammer, and crowbar style as she laid in bed.

[Wild Cobra]

i read it too in an article i found elsewhere online... "to end her suffering i shot her up under the chin", something like that. plus that he was pissed she laughed at him after the first initial shot so he finished her off.

crazy people out there indeed. i used to live across the street from a couple psychos only to find out a couple yrs back that the husband murdered his wife all crazy like, knife, hammer, and crowbar style as she laid in bed.
Yes, I did some more searches after responding. One article has the prosecution saying it looks like execution style, but didn't call it that. It also said he shot up at her as she was coming down the stairs. Sounds like a random under the chin into the head shot to me, rather than execution style. As for any article quoting his words... Hearsay...

[redzero]

:lol "random under the chin"

[koriwhat]

Yes, I did some more searches after responding. One article has the prosecution saying it looks like execution style, but didn't call it that. It also said he shot up at her as she was coming down the stairs. Sounds like a random under the chin into the head shot to me, rather than execution style. As for any article quoting his words... Hearsay...

yeah, i'm standing by my initial stance. regardless of how ruthless this old man was, those thieves should've went searching for a job instead of a house to rob. they got what they deserved in the end.

[ChumpDumper]

I never saw that anywhere. What link did I mess that from? I am only keeping the open mind that he may have rightfully shot intruders and then was a basketcase, and made bad choices. If you have evidence of foul play, then you need to be a witness.I agree. He simply made bad choices in murdering those people.

[Wild Cobra]

yeah, i'm standing by my initial stance. regardless of how ruthless this old man was, those thieves should've went searching for a job instead of a house to rob. they got what they deserved in the end.
If they were thieves, yes. I'm happy they are dead. Better not break into my place.

However, if he did go about the shooting with unjustified revengeful intent, then he should be prosecuted. By this, if he actually did shoot to kill after they were no longer a threat.

With the media like it is today, we are likely not to know the truth unless we sit in on this case when it is in court.

[ChumpDumper]

Um, he told the police exactly what he did. That's why he was charged.

[Wild Cobra]

Um, he told the police exactly what he did. That's why he was charged.
And the police never lie...

Like I said...

Hearsay!

[koriwhat]

If they were thieves, yes. I'm happy they are dead. Better not break into my place.

However, if he did go about the shooting with unjustified revengeful intent, then he should be prosecuted. By this, if he actually did shoot to kill after they were no longer a threat.

With the media like it is today, we are likely not to know the truth unless we sit in on this case when it is in court.

i'm contradicting myself when i say what he did was harsh, acknowledging i would had shot them but not to death, but i have no sympathy for thieves and therefore don't care one way or the other if those fools were shot over and over again until the lights went out for both of them.

[Wild Cobra]

i'm contradicting myself when i say what he did was harsh, acknowledging i would had shot them but not to death, but i have no sympathy for thieves and therefore don't care one way or the other if those fools were shot over and over again until the lights went out for both of them.
If you shoot. You shoot to kill. Period. At least three shots center mass. You do that, because today, some coke crazed maniac may have a weapon, and still feel no pain and kill you if you don't at least disable them.

[redzero]

Wild Conjecture is at it again.

[ChumpDumper]

And the police never lie...

Like I said...

Hearsay!The ! makes it look less stupid.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'll be the first to defend castle doctrine but this guy is toast. No matter the circumstances you don't go for a "nice clean kill shot" when the unarmed intruder is down and shot multiple times and gasping for breath.

[Drachen]

you missed the point... i hate cops, true, and i think what this dude did was sick but that doesn't mean i don't think those dumbfuck kids didn't deserve to die. i think all thieves deserve death, fuck those that think they have the right to steal from others, work for your shit!


Tell us how you really feel Javert!

[Drachen]

And the police never lie...

Like I said...

Hearsay!
Yep Hearsay!
The police hear what he say

[silverblk mystix]

i'm contradicting myself when i say what he did was harsh, acknowledging i would had shot them but not to death, but i have no sympathy for thieves and therefore don't care one way or the other if those fools were shot over and over again until the lights went out for both of them.



lol...

you have amazing powers.

You can actually shoot someone - and then magically and/or telepathically WILL that bullet to steer clear of all major organs and only wound the victim!

Amazing!

[koriwhat]

lol...

you have amazing powers.

You can actually shoot someone - and then magically and/or telepathically WILL that bullet to steer clear of all major organs and only wound the victim!

Amazing!

you're reaching man, in every fuckin' thread.

not like i'm a master in guns or shooting or anything but that statement you pointed out... with lack of better wording, i should've said i wouldn't had continued on like that dude did and give that girl a clean kill shot under the chin.

btw, fuck you pig! hopefully one of the scum prisoners you deal with gets a hold of your ass one of these days.

[silverblk mystix]

you're reaching man, in every fuckin' thread.

not like i'm a master in guns or shooting or anything but that statement you pointed out... with lack of better wording, i should've said i wouldn't had continued on like that dude did and give that girl a clean kill shot under the chin.

btw, fuck you pig! hopefully one of the scum prisoners you deal with gets a hold of your ass one of these days.

lol...ok!

[DarkReign]

I'll be the first to defend castle doctrine but this guy is toast. No matter the circumstances you don't go for a "nice clean kill shot" when the unarmed intruder is down and shot multiple times and gasping for breath.

Agreed. You always shoot to kill, but the guy fucked up by a) not calling the police IMMEDIATELY and b) moving the bodies. Those two factors alone make the charges against him warranted.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Tell us how you really feel Javert!

:lolunderappreciated post

[Trill Clinton]

#FREEBYRONSMITH

[cantthinkofanything]

I'll be the first to defend castle doctrine but this guy is toast. No matter the circumstances you don't go for a "nice clean kill shot" when the unarmed intruder is down and shot multiple times and gasping for breath.

this is what's wrong with many gun toters. They think they have to shoot to kill. When in reality, if they would take some Threat Neutralization target classes, they could learn to use a gun to stop the threat with non-deadly shots. In this case, if they were coming down the stairs, he was in perfect position to shoot them both in the leg area and thus NEUTRALIZE the threat. This would have given him the option, nay...luxury, of then deciding to either 1) call the cops or 2) shoot them again with deadly force.

[redzero]

this is what's wrong with many gun toters. They think they have to shoot to kill. When in reality, if they would take some Threat Neutralization target classes, they could learn to use a gun to stop the threat with non-deadly shots. In this case, if they were coming down the stairs, he was in perfect position to shoot them both in the leg area and thus NEUTRALIZE the threat. This would have given him the option, nay...luxury, of then deciding to either 1) call the cops or 2) shoot them again with deadly force.

You're still making this retarded argument?

[CubanSucks]

this is what's wrong with many gun toters. They think they have to shoot to kill. When in reality, if they would take some Threat Neutralization target classes, they could learn to use a gun to stop the threat with non-deadly shots. In this case, if they were coming down the stairs, he was in perfect position to shoot them both in the leg area and thus NEUTRALIZE the threat. This would have given him the option, nay...luxury, of then deciding to either 1) call the cops or 2) shoot them again with deadly force.

you're a dumbass

[silverblk mystix]

this is what's wrong with many gun toters. They think they have to shoot to kill. When in reality, if they would take some Threat Neutralization target classes, they could learn to use a gun to stop the threat with non-deadly shots. In this case, if they were coming down the stairs, he was in perfect position to shoot them both in the leg area and thus NEUTRALIZE the threat. This would have given him the option, nay...luxury, of then deciding to either 1) call the cops or 2) shoot them again with deadly force.


Fuckin A!

You get enough of this training and you can actually control the bullets trajectory and do a lot of minimal damage. For example, if you really practice- you can actually just graze the heart and sometimes- if you take this training class three or four times--you can actually time it so that the bullet grazes the heart between heartbeats!

[CosmicCowboy]

Fuckin A!

You get enough of this training and you can actually control the bullets trajectory and do a lot of minimal damage. For example, if you really practice- you can actually just graze the heart and sometimes- if you take this training class three or four times--you can actually time it so that the bullet grazes the heart between heartbeats!

:lmao

This fuckhead is whacked. (unless you were making fun of CTOA)

[I. Hustle]

Personally I wouldn't kill an intruder unless he was firing at me. I would however try to shoot out his knee caps. Or graze his carotid arteries in between pulses.

[Darth_Pelican]

Why would you NOT want to shoot to kill intruders or criminals? Why the hell would you want them to live? So our tax dollars can pay for them to live in prison. Shooting to kill is the whole point. Fucking pussified world we live in.

[Leetonidas]

some of yall are fucking retarded. like seriously

[Leetonidas]

Fuckin A!

You get enough of this training and you can actually control the bullets trajectory and do a lot of minimal damage. For example, if you really practice- you can actually just graze the heart and sometimes- if you take this training class three or four times--you can actually time it so that the bullet grazes the heart between heartbeats!

i think you've been watching too many shitty movies lately

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/98/Wanted_film_poster.jpg/220px-Wanted_film_poster.jpg

[cantthinkofanything]

You're still making this retarded argument?

Preserving life is retarded? These were two white teens. Sure they were doing crime but in a few years, they would probably both have gone to college and become responsible members of society. But since the homeowner subscribed to the "shoot to kill" method, they'll never have the chance. I guess if a baby spits up and ruins the carpet, you'd want them to die also?
Threat Neutralization training could have given all three of these people involved a new chance for life. Now, we have two dead and one probably in jail.

[redzero]

Still retarded and unfunny, like most of your posts.

[pawe]

this is what's wrong with many gun toters. They think they have to shoot to kill. When in reality, if they would take some Threat Neutralization target classes, they could learn to use a gun to stop the threat with non-deadly shots. In this case, if they were coming down the stairs, he was in perfect position to shoot them both in the leg area and thus NEUTRALIZE the threat. This would have given him the option, nay...luxury, of then deciding to either 1) call the cops or 2) shoot them again with deadly force.


Unbeavable!

[Darth_Pelican]

:lolcomparing 2 people who intentionally and knowingly intruded to a baby spitting up and ruining carpet

[Drachen]

:lolunderappreciated post

Thank you, I was unsure if it was a little too high brow.

[Koolaid_Man]

this is what's wrong with many gun toters. They think they have to shoot to kill. When in reality, if they would take some Threat Neutralization target classes, they could learn to use a gun to stop the threat with non-deadly shots. In this case, if they were coming down the stairs, he was in perfect position to shoot them both in the leg area and thus NEUTRALIZE the threat. This would have given him the option, nay...luxury, of then deciding to either 1) call the cops or 2) shoot them again with deadly force.

This homeowner acted out of fear and anger...if you've ever been robbed or had your car stolen / broken into, it can be infuriating...in this case the guy had been burglarized 3 times prior...can you imagine his anguish and fear of having his home repeatedly violated (likely by this same pair)...I bet he sat alone many a nights saying: "If I ever catch them I'm going to fucking blow their gotdam heads off and fucking torture them." I think he acted in the heat of the moment and should be given a pass...I'm sure if these were 2 black guys killed most of you would be saying give the home owner a pass.the fact that it's a decent looking white girl and a typical all american wanna be white boy strike at the conscience of most observers because that's not what were used to seeing...

it prolly went down like this...these kids made a pact that they would eventually die together someday...the man was prolly robbed last thanksgiving while away and decided he'd set a trap this year...so he waited and finally this pair shows up. the man heard them breaking in and retreated to the basement...the boy was supposed to go in first while the girl looked out. He was then supposed to signal back to her the coast was clear... the boy went in and headed for the basement where the man was waiting...the home owner then executed him gangnem style... shotgun blast to the knees and then one to the face...the girl could have heard the shots and decided she was going for her cousin or she decided he was taking too long to return the signal it was ok...when she got in he hit her with a blast...but most of the bullet hit the stairs...the gun jammed and even though she knew she was in deep shit she knew then that her cousin was prolly already dead and that she was likely going to die as well...so her laugh was just a go ahead kill me you fuck up laugh...he then pumped her chest full of bullets..and then gave her the clean kill shot...

Now their is an alternate Koolaid theory...which is she came down the stairs and he was like ohh shit this bitch look good...I ain't had no pussy in years...so he told her he killed her cousin but that he'd spare her life if she gave him some head, ass,and pussy...so they fucked while her cousin lay dead on the floor...after he nutted in her he thought she might yell rape and so they fought over the shotgun while half naked and slipping and slidding in his 60yr old cum that was all over the floor..she managed to break away from his grasp and started to run back up the stairs..he saw her ass as she was climbing the stairs and didn't want to shoot because she looked so dam good from behind...but the cum on his hands made him slip and she took a shot gun blast to the ass...she fell back down the stairs...she was in pain and said he was louzy fuck and this dick was shriveled up and useless...this reminded him of what his ex wife used to say...so he shit her a couple more times center mast..he then delivered the kill shot...pulled his pants up went upstairs and ate some Turkey and dressing. with cranberry sauce..he then called police the next day...

[Leetonidas]

what the fuck is wrong with you?

[Koolaid_Man]

what the fuck is wrong with you?

just saying if it was me and 64 yrs old I would have bartered for some of her 18yr old pussy...if she said no then goodbye....gangnem style...the choice would be hers...:lol

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao

This fuckhead is whacked. (unless you were making fun of CTOA)


I was just feeding the troll- "cant-think-of-shit-thats-funny-so-i-troll"

[silverblk mystix]

Personally I wouldn't kill an intruder unless he was firing at me. I would however try to shoot out his knee caps. Or graze his carotid arteries in between pulses.

Absolutely.

Why kill someone when - if you are an expert-you can just "guide" the bullet into his spinal cord and put the bastard in a wheelchair for life.
This will give him plenty of time to ponder over his decision to burglarize you.

Take some classes people. For info- just PM cantthinkofshitanymore.

[koriwhat]

Why would you NOT want to shoot to kill intruders or criminals? Why the hell would you want them to live? So our tax dollars can pay for them to live in prison. Shooting to kill is the whole point. Fucking pussified world we live in.

:tu

[CosmicCowboy]

Take enough of CTOA's mystical classes and you don't even have to worry about them shooting back.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/neo-bullets-the-matrix.jpg

[Trill Clinton]

This homeowner acted out of fear and anger...if you've ever been robbed or had your car stolen / broken into, it can be infuriating...in this case the guy had been burglarized 3 times prior...can you imagine his anguish and fear of having his home repeatedly violated (likely by this same pair)...I bet he sat alone many a nights saying: "If I ever catch them I'm going to fucking blow their gotdam heads off and fucking torture them." I think he acted in the heat of the moment and should be given a pass...I'm sure if these were 2 black guys killed most of you would be saying give the home owner a pass.the fact that it's a decent looking white girl and a typical all american wanna be white boy strike at the conscience of most observers because that's not what were used to seeing...

it prolly went down like this...these kids made a pact that they would eventually die together someday...the man was prolly robbed last thanksgiving while away and decided he'd set a trap this year...so he waited and finally this pair shows up. the man heard them breaking in and retreated to the basement...the boy was supposed to go in first while the girl looked out. He was then supposed to signal back to her the coast was clear... the boy went in and headed for the basement where the man was waiting...the home owner then executed him gangnem style... shotgun blast to the knees and then one to the face...the girl could have heard the shots and decided she was going for her cousin or she decided he was taking too long to return the signal it was ok...when she got in he hit her with a blast...but most of the bullet hit the stairs...the gun jammed and even though she knew she was in deep shit she knew then that her cousin was prolly already dead and that she was likely going to die as well...so her laugh was just a go ahead kill me you fuck up laugh...he then pumped her chest full of bullets..and then gave her the clean kill shot...

Now their is an alternate Koolaid theory...which is she came down the stairs and he was like ohh shit this bitch look good...I ain't had no pussy in years...so he told her he killed her cousin but that he'd spare her life if she gave him some head, ass,and pussy...so they fucked while her cousin lay dead on the floor...after he nutted in her he thought she might yell rape and so they fought over the shotgun while half naked and slipping and slidding in his 60yr old cum that was all over the floor..she managed to break away from his grasp and started to run back up the stairs..he saw her ass as she was climbing the stairs and didn't want to shoot because she looked so dam good from behind...but the cum on his hands made him slip and she took a shot gun blast to the ass...she fell back down the stairs...she was in pain and said he was louzy fuck and this dick was shriveled up and useless...this reminded him of what his ex wife used to say...so he shit her a couple more times center mast..he then delivered the kill shot...pulled his pants up went upstairs and ate some Turkey and dressing. with cranberry sauce..he then called police the next day...


:lol this nigga

[silverblk mystix]

Take enough of CTOA's mystical classes and you don't even have to worry about them shooting back.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/neo-bullets-the-matrix.jpg




You are starting to see the light,grasshopper!

[mavs>spurs]

koolaid man is a fucking weirdo shithead, dayum sons

[TDMVPDPOY]

a bukkake goes wrong when using a real gun

[The Reckoning]

what if he used the "putting her out of her misery" argument. fuck if i was shot like that and spewing up blood id probably want that kill shot.

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao

This fuckhead is whacked. (unless you were making fun of CTOA)
Must have Zen powers to be able to control the angle changes as it goes through the skin and muscle layers. I think that ability would also require X-ray vision, so you know exactly how thick the layers are, and the exact placement of the heart. That's really a good talent to be able to develop. I wish us mere mortals could develop such an ability.

[cantthinkofanything]

Take enough of CTOA's mystical classes and you don't even have to worry about them shooting back.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/neo-bullets-the-matrix.jpg

Haha...I get it. Also the Wanted jokes. But seriously, there is a segment of martial arts dedicated to using the gun as an extension of the body. Gunkata. Why is it so easy to think of using a baseball bat or knife as a non-lethal weapon but not a gun? Just because it separates from the bullet??? But I guess this is what the Obama administration is banking on. Gun nuts that have nothing but death on their mind. And honestly, if people aren't willing to even think about guns with non deadly force, maybe they should pick up all the firearms.

[DarkReign]

this is what's wrong with many gun toters. They think they have to shoot to kill. When in reality, if they would take some Threat Neutralization target classes, they could learn to use a gun to stop the threat with non-deadly shots. In this case, if they were coming down the stairs, he was in perfect position to shoot them both in the leg area and thus NEUTRALIZE the threat. This would have given him the option, nay...luxury, of then deciding to either 1) call the cops or 2) shoot them again with deadly force.

Ummm, no. The problem with your argument is a legal one. Old saying, "dead men tell no tales". Someone breaks in your house, you shoot to maim, not kill, you now have the other side of the story to deal with. Example:

Perp: Yeah, Im a drug addict and broke into his house to feed this horrible addiction. Homeowner catches me in the act, I surrendered immediately! He then proceeded to shoot me in the knees as some sort of retribution. I had already surrendered!

Doesnt matter is his/her story is true, you the homeowner and he the perp are the only two people in the room who know what really happened. Any defense lawyer worth their salt can manipulate ballistic forensics reports to suit this argument.

No, unless you want to spend the next 4 years of your life in and out of court with the real possibility of being charged, tried and convicted for a violent felony, if someone enters your home and you CHOOSE to protect your life and property with a firearm, you shoot to kill, period.

[cantthinkofanything]

Ummm, no. The problem with your argument is a legal one. Old saying, "dead men tell no tales". Someone breaks in your house, you shoot to maim, not kill, you now have the other side of the story to deal with. Example:

Perp: Yeah, Im a drug addict and broke into his house to feed this horrible addiction. Homeowner catches me in the act, I surrendered immediately! He then proceeded to shoot me in the knees as some sort of retribution. I had already surrendered!

Doesnt matter is his/her story is true, you the homeowner and he the perp are the only two people in the room who know what really happened. Any defense lawyer worth their salt can manipulate ballistic forensics reports to suit this argument.

No, unless you want to spend the next 4 years of your life in and out of court with the real possibility of being charged, tried and convicted for a violent felony, if someone enters your home and you CHOOSE to protect your life and property with a firearm, you shoot to kill, period.

I hear you. The home is a very different situation. Most Threat Neutralization training would be best suited for outside the home. Like the Trayvon Martin thing. Or the Batman shooting. Or anything else where someone feels threatened. But yeah...once someone gets in your home, it certainly changes things. But I still believe in trying to preserve life if possible. I mean...what if it was some child that was lost and wandered into the house. Certainly a well placed shot to the knee or foot would be preferable to killing him or her.

[CosmicCowboy]

Ummm, no. The problem with your argument is a legal one. Old saying, "dead men tell no tales". Someone breaks in your house, you shoot to maim, not kill, you now have the other side of the story to deal with. Example:

Perp: Yeah, Im a drug addict and broke into his house to feed this horrible addiction. Homeowner catches me in the act, I surrendered immediately! He then proceeded to shoot me in the knees as some sort of retribution. I had already surrendered!

Doesnt matter is his/her story is true, you the homeowner and he the perp are the only two people in the room who know what really happened. Any defense lawyer worth their salt can manipulate ballistic forensics reports to suit this argument.

No, unless you want to spend the next 4 years of your life in and out of court with the real possibility of being charged, tried and convicted for a violent felony, if someone enters your home and you CHOOSE to protect your life and property with a firearm, you shoot to kill, period.

X2

Once you decide that shooting is absolutely necessary, shoot to kill.

[CosmicCowboy]

I hear you. The home is a very different situation. Most Threat Neutralization training would be best suited for outside the home. Like the Trayvon Martin thing. Or the Batman shooting. Or anything else where someone feels threatened. But yeah...once someone gets in your home, it certainly changes things. But I still believe in trying to preserve life if possible. I mean...what if it was some child that was lost and wandered into the house. Certainly a well placed shot to the knee or foot would be preferable to killing him or her.

:lmao @ shooting a lost child in the knee.

[silverblk mystix]

I hear you. The home is a very different situation. Most Threat Neutralization training would be best suited for outside the home. Like the Trayvon Martin thing. Or the Batman shooting. Or anything else where someone feels threatened. But yeah...once someone gets in your home, it certainly changes things. But I still believe in trying to preserve life if possible. I mean...what if it was some child that was lost and wandered into the house. Certainly a well placed shot to the knee or foot would be preferable to killing him or her.



Cant think of shit is trolling everyone here. Nice.

[DarkReign]

I hear you. The home is a very different situation. Most Threat Neutralization training would be best suited for outside the home. Like the Trayvon Martin thing. Or the Batman shooting. Or anything else where someone feels threatened.

Once you brandish a weapon outside your home and property, the legal rules change along with that decision (in most states anyway). While I can understand your want to preserve life, I will not mock you for that, you DO NOT discharge a firearm to maim. The moment you choose to squeeze that trigger, it is to kill. If youre suggesting using the firearm as a threat, to give a very strong warning to cease, desist and remain still, then I wouldnt argue with you. If the perp is willing to surrender and obey commands given, then by your choice, they should live to see prison, especially if you are not in your home or property. If a thug pulls a weapon, be it knife or gun, and I have a gun, they die. If they threaten me with only their perceived physical superiority, then I would try to detain them with my firearm.


But yeah...once someone gets in your home, it certainly changes things. But I still believe in trying to preserve life if possible. I mean...what if it was some child that was lost and wandered into the house. Certainly a well placed shot to the knee or foot would be preferable to killing him or her.

But in your home, the law allows that decision by the homeowner. No offense, and call me what you will, but here are some assumptions one can make about people that break into your home:

1) They have clear intent meaning they planned to do this, it is not some snap decision.
2) They have the home scouted in some capacity, be it for hours, days or weeks.
Most importantly and the rationale behind deadly force...
3) They know youre home.

Think about that for a moment. A thief only wants to steal valuables, they would go to great lengths to avoid any altercation if at all possible. But a thief ceases to be "only a thief" when they enter your home with the knowledge that people currently sleep in said home. Now you are a very dangerous threat, the most serious kind of threat you can encounter in life. They have a) the criminal capacity to do it to begin with, b) the moral ambiguity to enter a home with residents and c) the all-important element of surprise on their side.

I dont know about you, but the thought is incredibly scary to me to think about. The kind of individual who would break into your home knowing you were there. *shudder* I mean, they know youre HOME!! My first assumption about such a person isnt that theyre here for my valuables, do you know what I am saying? Theyre fucking sick, in the head, and my first thought isnt "Oh shit, my big screen LCD!"...its more like, "Oh shit, theyre going to kill me, rape my wife to death, murder my son and then probably make a sadnwich."

That type of human, that kind of trash that masquerades itself as something equal to you and everyone you know, literally sickens me to the core. Having your house broken into and robbed while away is horrible, but it shows a certain professional criminal decency that "no one was hurt in the making of this robbery".

No, you get into my house while my family and I are home, it will be the very last house you ever enter. There will be no surrender, no warning, no mercy. I am attacking with an overwhelming show of deadly force and killing any and all people unwelcome in my home, I dont care if youre holding a gun on me or running away in retreat, you all die today to the best of my abilities. I dont know what the aftermath will be for me on a personal level as I have never had to do anything like that (thank you God), but I am very confident that my conscience will be quite clear before the encounter begins. My rationale is sound. You can reasonably be assumed to be in my house with intent to kill my family. I hope they bury your ass in a shallow grave and that your death is slow painful.

[mingus]

Not going to give him the benefit of the doubt for the same reason (or one of the reason) that I didn't give Casey Anthony the benefit of the doubt: I don't buy the whole "I was scared so I didn't go to police." I have never shot anybody, but if I did (and I believed I was justified in doing so), then I don't think I would have much of a problem with going to the police because you just do what you have to do. But obviously the guy was regretful of the fact that he shot them because he probably wasn not justified in shooting them, which led to his fear.

[Drachen]

"Oh shit, theyre going to kill me, rape my wife to death, murder my son and then probably make a sadnwich."



Is this what comes in the McDonalds new "Guilty meal"? Do you get to supersize your french cries?

[cantthinkofanything]

:lmao @ shooting a lost child in the knee.

you'd rather kill him?

Here's a hypothetical that I think makes my point.

There is someone rushing at your from 100 yards away. For some reason, you feel threatened by this person. You don't know what his intentions are but you believe they are to harm you in some way. You have a 75 yard long cattle prod which you can easily handle and control. You can either set the prod to stun or kill. The guy is now 75 yards away, you still feel threatened, do you use the prod to stun or kill him? If you kill him, you end his life and change yours forever. If you stun him, you give yourself more options. Call the police, run, approach the guy, etc. I know which choice I'd make. Now change the cattle prod to a gun. With Threat Neutralization training, you can handle the gun just as easily and accurately as the 75 yard cattle prod. No difference. You can handle the situation without any loss of life. I don't know why you are unable to grasp this.

[silverblk mystix]

you'd rather kill him?

Here's a hypothetical that I think makes my point.

There is someone rushing at your from 100 yards away. For some reason, you feel threatened by this person. You don't know what his intentions are but you believe they are to harm you in some way. You have a 75 yard long cattle prod which you can easily handle and control. You can either set the prod to stun or kill. The guy is now 75 yards away, you still feel threatened, do you use the prod to stun or kill him? If you kill him, you end his life and change yours forever. If you stun him, you give yourself more options. Call the police, run, approach the guy, etc. I know which choice I'd make. Now change the cattle prod to a gun. With Threat Neutralization training, you can handle the gun just as easily and accurately as the 75 yard cattle prod. No difference. You can handle the situation without any loss of life. I don't know why you are unable to grasp this.



:lmao



You can't fix stupid.

[pawe]

I would not suggest this approach but I really have no sympathy to the people who were shot. I actually would love to see this happen more often, we need this for the depussification of America.
I know people are gonna bitch and moan that no material property is greater than human life but fuck them; those burglars, rapists & thugs were the ones who made the decision to do harm and created the situation.

Sucks that the homeowner has to go through this. He probably was severely misinformed about the whole "clean finishing shot" but it's somewhat his fault for owning a gun and not knowing what the laws are.

:cry but, but they were good neighborhood kids who would never harm anyone.

[cantthinkofanything]

I would not suggest this approach but I really have no sympathy to the people who were shot. I actually would love to see this happen more often, we need this for the depussification of America.
I know people are gonna bitch and moan that no material property is greater than human life but fuck them; those burglars, rapists & thugs were the ones who made the decision to do harm and created the situation.

Sucks that the homeowner has to go through this. He probably was severely misinformed about the whole "clean finishing shot" but it's somewhat his fault for owning a gun and not knowing what the laws are.

:cry but, but they were good neighborhood kids who would never harm anyone.

There's a big difference between rapists and burglars. It's a good thing the Dennison family did not use deadly force when they came home to find a young British man going through their personal items. Had they chosen to shoot to kill, we might find ourselves without much of our knowledge of quantum physics, string theory, and dark matter.

But yeah...that's fine right?

[pawe]

Yeah that is fine.
I hope people who break into homes just to steal belongings "and wont really harm occupants" get their brains blown to bits.

Dont tell me you're one of those people who thinks that criminals should have the right to break into people's homes without fear of bodily harm and interference from the homeowner trying to protect their family and belongings they worked for.

[cantthinkofanything]

Yeah that is fine.
I hope people who break into homes just to steal belongings "and wont really harm occupants" get their brains blown to bits.

Dont tell me you're one of those people who thinks that criminals should have the right to break into people's homes without fear of bodily harm and interference from the homeowner trying to protect their family and belongings they worked for.

I don't think it's so black and white (no racist). You were lumping in rapists along with burglars. What if that burglar turned out to be someone that had Azlheimer's? Or if it was someone who was trying to feed their family and was only looking to take a loaf of bread? Do they really deserve to die? What about a white teenager that's just having a rough time and hangs with the wrong crowd? Would you really celebrate in shooting him and ending his chances of going to college and becoming a life saving doctor? What if you shot the guy that was going to find the cure for AIDS or Diphtheria?

[CosmicCowboy]

Once you brandish a weapon outside your home and property, the legal rules change along with that decision (in most states anyway). While I can understand your want to preserve life, I will not mock you for that, you DO NOT discharge a firearm to maim. The moment you choose to squeeze that trigger, it is to kill. If youre suggesting using the firearm as a threat, to give a very strong warning to cease, desist and remain still, then I wouldnt argue with you. If the perp is willing to surrender and obey commands given, then by your choice, they should live to see prison, especially if you are not in your home or property. If a thug pulls a weapon, be it knife or gun, and I have a gun, they die. If they threaten me with only their perceived physical superiority, then I would try to detain them with my firearm.



But in your home, the law allows that decision by the homeowner. No offense, and call me what you will, but here are some assumptions one can make about people that break into your home:

1) They have clear intent meaning they planned to do this, it is not some snap decision.
2) They have the home scouted in some capacity, be it for hours, days or weeks.
Most importantly and the rationale behind deadly force...
3) They know youre home.

Think about that for a moment. A thief only wants to steal valuables, they would go to great lengths to avoid any altercation if at all possible. But a thief ceases to be "only a thief" when they enter your home with the knowledge that people currently sleep in said home. Now you are a very dangerous threat, the most serious kind of threat you can encounter in life. They have a) the criminal capacity to do it to begin with, b) the moral ambiguity to enter a home with residents and c) the all-important element of surprise on their side.

I dont know about you, but the thought is incredibly scary to me to think about. The kind of individual who would break into your home knowing you were there. *shudder* I mean, they know youre HOME!! My first assumption about such a person isnt that theyre here for my valuables, do you know what I am saying? Theyre fucking sick, in the head, and my first thought isnt "Oh shit, my big screen LCD!"...its more like, "Oh shit, theyre going to kill me, rape my wife to death, murder my son and then probably make a sadnwich."

That type of human, that kind of trash that masquerades itself as something equal to you and everyone you know, literally sickens me to the core. Having your house broken into and robbed while away is horrible, but it shows a certain professional criminal decency that "no one was hurt in the making of this robbery".

No, you get into my house while my family and I are home, it will be the very last house you ever enter. There will be no surrender, no warning, no mercy. I am attacking with an overwhelming show of deadly force and killing any and all people unwelcome in my home, I dont care if youre holding a gun on me or running away in retreat, you all die today to the best of my abilities. I dont know what the aftermath will be for me on a personal level as I have never had to do anything like that (thank you God), but I am very confident that my conscience will be quite clear before the encounter begins. My rationale is sound. You can reasonably be assumed to be in my house with intent to kill my family. I hope they bury your ass in a shallow grave and that your death is slow painful.

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[pawe]

I don't think it's so black and white (no racist). You were lumping in rapists along with burglars. What if that burglar turned out to be someone that had Azlheimer's? Or if it was someone who was trying to feed their family and was only looking to take a loaf of bread? Do they really deserve to die? What about a white teenager that's just having a rough time and hangs with the wrong crowd? Would you really celebrate in shooting him and ending his chances of going to college and becoming a life saving doctor? What if you shot the guy that was going to find the cure for AIDS or Diphtheria?

What if that guy that didnt got shot turned out to massacre a 5 yr old girl and her entire family while burglarizing a house?
What if that guy that didnt got shot turned out to be a mass murderer of 20 people in a park?
LOL what ifs

[cantthinkofanything]

What if that guy that didnt got shot turned out to massacre a 5 yr old girl and her entire family while burglarizing a house?
What if that guy that didnt got shot turned out to be a mass murderer of 20 people in a park?
LOL what ifs

So you'd rather not have a cure for a deadly disease that kills millions if it's going to cost the lives of 20 people in a park and some random family?

[CosmicCowboy]

So you'd rather not have a cure for a deadly disease that kills millions if it's going to cost the lives of 20 people in a park and some random family?

I've never heard of a cancer cure invented by a home invader.

[cantthinkofanything]

I've never heard of a cancer cure invented by a home invader.

I doubt you'll ever hear about the guy that finds a cancer cure.

[Drachen]

I've never heard of a cancer cure invented by a home invader.

What if it's John Conner.

JOHN CONNER!

[Good 'N Plenty]

What if it's John Conner.

JOHN CONNER!

Or Robert Neville.

[koriwhat]

if yall haven't learned anything by now then you never will... cantthinkbecauseimadumbass is one of the dumbest fucks around these parts.

[Thebesteva]

No one bumped this thread? Byron Smith was found guilty within hours, and listening to the audio made the jury cry. It is very disturbing, listen to @13:00 mark if you havent already. I am ALL for protecting your home, and the teens were MORONIC for breaking into his house. However, while I can justify shooting the first teen, and even the second. Going up to them and executing them while they are screaming and crying for their lives while calmly saying,"Hold on bitch, you're about to die" is MURDER.

You have every right to protect your house and im 100% against the pussification of America, but this is a case of a man wanting to try murder once in his life and getting caught. He also calmly talks into the tape recorder moments later and complains they got blood on his floors. Dude is a psychopath.

[Koolaid_Man]

No one bumped this thread? Byron Smith was found guilty within hours, and listening to the audio made the jury cry. It is very disturbing, listen to @13:00 mark if you havent already. I am ALL for protecting your home, and the teens were MORONIC for breaking into his house. However, while I can justify shooting the first teen, and even the second. Going up to them and executing them while they are screaming and crying for their lives while calmly saying,"Hold on bitch, you're about to die" is MURDER.

You have every right to protect your house and im 100% against the pussification of America, but this is a case of a man wanting to try murder once in his life and getting caught. He also calmly talks into the tape recorder moments later and complains they got blood on his floors. Dude is a psychopath.

Nothing but sympathy because he killed 2 attractive white teens. You'd be celebrating if they were black. They made their bed.

[Thebesteva]

Nothing but sympathy because he killed 2 attractive white teens. You'd be celebrating if they were black. They made their bed.

No, if they were black, the shooter wouldnt get life in prison. :lol Fuck the black youth

[blizz]

What about the fact that he parked his truck down the street to make it look like no one was home, grabbed a book, energy bars, a water and his guns and sat in a chair waiting for them to come. Dude planned on killing those kids, did it in a ruthless manner and has now been convicted no matter what any of you idiots say. I just heard the audio. That was chilling stuff.

[Koolaid_Man]

What about the fact that he parked his truck down the street to make it look like no one was home, grabbed a book, energy bars, a water and his guns and sat in a chair waiting for them to come. Dude planned on killing those kids, did it in a ruthless manner and has now been convicted no matter what any of you idiots say.


I kill the boy and use the girl for my own entertainment :hat since she entered the basement on her own. :lol

[Trill Clinton]

after getting all the facts out, i'm happy this old sacc of shit got convicted. yes the cousins were some thugs and low lives but he didn't have to do em like that.

[Koolaid_Man]

after getting all the facts out, i'm happy this old sacc of shit got convicted. yes the cousins were some thugs and low lives but he didn't have to do em like that.

yeah he went over board...just should have capped them and called the cops....he got mad because his pistol Jammed when he shot at her and he claimed she laughed....they walked into the devil's lair...their parents should have raised them better tbh

[Trill Clinton]

word. it may have been said already, but how did he know the thugs were going to rob him that night. was he camped down there for days, waiting for his prey to fall into his trap. the though process some of these frost kings have is interesting.