I am ending this debate now.

[TDfan2007]

Tim Duncan vs. Kevin Garnett

Let's break it down:

Scoring: Tim is unstoppable on the block when being gaurded one on one. He has so many post moves and knows how to draw contact and get to the line. His bank shot is money from the left wing and he can hit the open jumper from 18ft and in. KG has a much better jumpshot and turnaround than Tim but he relies on them too much. KG has very little to work with in the post but a turnaround jumpshot which he can't seem to hit over defenders as tall or taller than him (KG shot 31% against the Spurs this season while Tim shot 52%).

Edge: Tim

Passing: KG averages more assists than Tim but only because Minnesota's offense is designed for him to make passes to cutters. Tim is better at passing out of double teams and KG is better at finding cutters.

Edge: Even

Defense: Tim is an excellent shot blocker and help defender. He always comes out on when defending the screen and roll and often erases his teammates defensive mistakes by comming out and swatting their man's shot away. KG is nowhere near the shot blocker that Tim is (Tim averaged a whole block more than KG during the regular season) but he is more mobile and plays the passing lanes better.

Edge: Tim

Intangibles: Tim is much better in the clutch than KG, as he showed in Game 7 of the Finals, Tim can take over and give his team key baskets when they need them and kick it out to his teammates for clutch 3's. He has also hit a lot of game winning shots in his career. Tim is also the consumate teammate, he never tries to draw attention to himself and has the utmost trust in his teammates. Tim also has 3 championship rings and 3 finals MVP's to go with the rings. KG has come up short in the clutch time and time again (he has only gotten past the 1st round once and missed the playoffs this past season).

Edge: Tim

Overall Edge: Tim

[50 cent]

The only debate is when Wolves009 masterbates.

[mookie2001]

kg yells when he dunks

[Crafty One]

(Smiles When He Dunks)

[exstatic]

All Stars as respective teammates:

Tim: Big Dave, Manu

KG: Starbury, Googs, Wally Cleaver

[OnlyOneGinobili]

KG cusses up a storm when he gets fouled, when he dunks, when he makes a basket, when he fouls someone... Terrets anyone?

we should just call wolves the masterdebater.

[samikeyp]

count down to sickdsm angry rebuttal in 5.....4.....3.....

:)

[duncan_21]

I think that was a pretty good break down. You can't measure everything just by stats. I've thought that with the exception of this year and 99 that kg had a better team surrounding him, especially on offense.

KG is more of a wiry athlete and tim is a basketball player. It also seems wierd that kg couldn't keep stephon thugberry and rabbit tooth with him. While timmy has kept manu and tp.

I think right now if I had an open 4 spot on my roster I would have to give the nod to td.

[OnlyOneGinobili]

This is what it comes down to... Timmy, four years of college, and graduated. KG, right out of high school. Tim has learned to make his teammates around him better, while KG only complains when his teammates don't do enough.

[Dre_7]

Hey, but but but...Timmy has never...won an Olympic Gold Metal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol

[SilverPlayer]

I like your analysis but I think KG and Timmy would still average the same assists if they were switched. KG is a better passes by far....You may be right about passingout of double teams, but KG makes up for it with better ball handling. I think that is KG's edge.

[jochhejaam]

Kevin gets a nice edge in free throw shooting, hitting at least 75% for each of the last 6 seasons and he's also a better outside FG shooter.

He's also outrebounded Tim each of the last 3 years, and 1,839 assists to 1,089 last year is also substantial.

He also had 121 steals to Tim's 45 last year. (Kevin played in 16 more games)

I said in an earlier post this month that KG and Tim are the best 2 players in the NBA. If Kevin had more character I'd probably rather have him, following are a couple KG quotes.

"I'm like Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. If I'm not ready, the sled isn't going to go."

And the following comments regarding the 2004 playoffs with the Lakers:
"I'm sitting in the house loading up the pump, I'm loading up the Uzis, I've got a couple of M-16s, couple of nines, couple of joints with some silencers on them, couple of grenades, got a missile launcher. I'm ready for war"
Plus KG's in love with the "F" word (sorry for the language insinuation Kori :lol )

I don't like a lot of smack talk, I prefer the players that do their talking on the court, with their game. Tim gets a massive edge here and that and the overall closeness in the stats gives him a paper-thin edge in my book.

[Banks91]

that quote u got about KG and war, that came from 2004 kings series, game 7 not the lakers


Also , if uve checked duncans last 2 seasons in points and rebounds have been the worst of his career, with him having played in the summer, thats not the coincidence, plus missed more games this and last season then ever before
in 2005-2006, i expect him to get back to normal, with 23+points, and 13 boards

[Spursdaone]

Tim Duncan vs. Kevin Garnett

Let's break it down:

Scoring: Tim is unstoppable on the block when being gaurded one on one. He has so many post moves and knows how to draw contact and get to the line. His bank shot is money from the left wing and he can hit the open jumper from 18ft and in. KG has a much better jumpshot and turnaround than Tim but he relies on them too much. KG has very little to work with in the post but a turnaround jumpshot which he can't seem to hit over defenders as tall or taller than him (KG shot 31% against the Spurs this season while Tim shot 52%).

Edge: Tim

Passing: KG averages more assists than Tim but only because Minnesota's offense is designed for him to make passes to cutters. Tim is better at passing out of double teams and KG is better at finding cutters.

Edge: Even

Defense: Tim is an excellent shot blocker and help defender. He always comes out on when defending the screen and roll and often erases his teammates defensive mistakes by comming out and swatting their man's shot away. KG is nowhere near the shot blocker that Tim is (Tim averaged a whole block more than KG during the regular season) but he is more mobile and plays the passing lanes better.

Edge: Tim

Intangibles: Tim is much better in the clutch than KG, as he showed in Game 7 of the Finals, Tim can take over and give his team key baskets when they need them and kick it out to his teammates for clutch 3's. He has also hit a lot of game winning shots in his career. Tim is also the consumate teammate, he never tries to draw attention to himself and has the utmost trust in his teammates. Tim also has 3 championship rings and 3 finals MVP's to go with the rings. KG has come up short in the clutch time and time again (he has only gotten past the 1st round once and missed the playoffs this past season).

Edge: Tim

Overall Edge: Tim
First of all Garnett is a better rebounder and passer. Tim is unstoppable on the block? The only unstoppable player I can think of is Shaq but Garnett has more quickness to make up for is lack of post moves. Tim has a better coach and unselfish players on his team unlike Garnett. This is an unfair comparison due to each teams situations.

[Banks91]

man KG has one of the biggest problems u can have, which is selflessness

he doesnt seem to understand he must offensively take over games, unlike Duncan who doesnt. Tim duncan just steppin on the floor opens the game, which Garnet does not accomplish, he has to score to do that. Imagine mcgrady tryin to give up passes without first tearin up the score board . also, i dont like how garnett tries to do so much, he should relax with all the passin, considerin the kind of assist he gets are point guard assists, he shouldnt be making them

[Dre_7]

Just look at what happens when they go head to head. If my memory serves me correct, Tim outplayed KG almost every time.

[Banks91]

but duncan assists, they are good assists, cuz basically those assist means he created somethin by suckin in defenders, while kg basically camps on the perimeter and swings the ball, not really creatin them

[Banks91]

i remember that duncan had like 35-40 point, 20-25 rebound game against garnet like 2 years back

was one of the most dominatin performances in recent history in my mind

[Spursdaone]

First off there is no such thing as good assist and bad assist. They both create but Minnesota has 3 selfish players in Cassell, Sprewell, and Szerbiak and sorry ass center in Olawakandi. Garnett has shit to work with and they don't know how to play the game. Put him on a good team and things will be alot different like what happened to Mcgrady this year.

[jochhejaam]

man KG has one of the biggest problems u can have, which is selflessness

he doesnt seem to understand he must offensively take over games, unlike Duncan who doesnt. Tim duncan just steppin on the floor opens the game, which Garnet does not accomplish, he has to score to do that. Imagine mcgrady tryin to give up passes without first tearin up the score board . also, i dont like how garnett tries to do so much, he should relax with all the passin, considerin the kind of assist he gets are point guard assists, he shouldnt be making them

Yep, good point, I'm sure they would have been better if he only had 447 assists instead of 1,839...
he probably should pass up on those assists and give the ball to his point guard while the open man is no longer the open man... :rolleyes

:)

[Banks91]

Duncan has made it past the 1st round every season expect that time he got injured and missed the playoffs, and ur not gonna tell me his teams have been stacked with talent his whole career, dont think cuz manu is comin into his own these last 2 years that duncan hasnt been doin it by him self most his career. Garnet regardless of who has been on his team , he's made it past once


cant argue that

[SilverPlayer]

Looks like you didn't end the debate... :lol :lol :lol

[Banks91]

hey jochejam, my point is his assist are assist almost anybody could make, he basically just swings the ball, man any body on the perimeter can be makin them, barely any of them assists come off him being just on the floor,

[Spursdaone]

First off there is no such thing as good assist and bad assist. They both create but Minnesota has 3 selfish players in Cassell, Sprewell, and Szerbiak and sorry ass center in Olawakandi. Garnett has shit to work with and they don't know how to play the game. Put him on a good team and things will be alot different like what happened to Mcgrady this year.
now I am. Switch Garnett with Duncan and you got a even longer dynasty.

[Banks91]

no u dont

[Banks91]

garnett does not create for his teammates, regardless wat his assist tell u

[Banks91]

Also , that thing u said about Garnett playin with selfish players , thats wat gets him assist. Duncan and shaq are 2 players who should have way more assist, cuz when they pass it out more then half the time, their teammates swing the ball to the open person for a shot, not giving them the assist , while garnett will toss it and person shoots right away, givin garnett the assist, even he didnt really do much

[Spursdaone]

All these arguments can be made because Garnett doesn't have the players that slash or play great defense. He also has a coach who doesn't get respect in Flip.

[Brodels]

now I am. Switch Garnett with Duncan and you got a even longer dynasty.

Um, sure. The guy who doesn't want to take shots at the ends of games and in big moments is somehow going to win championships.

[Spursdaone]

are you talking about Duncan? At least you have Horry.

[jochhejaam]

hey jochejam, my point is his assist are assist almost anybody could make, he basically just swings the ball, man any body on the perimeter can be makin them, barely any of them assists come off him being just on the floor,

hey Banks.. :lol

and that's jochhejaam to you! j/k

I respect where you are coming from, I just don't agree. That doesn't make me right, just an IMO.

Thanks

[Brodels]

All these arguments can be made because Garnett doesn't have the players that slash or play great defense. He also has a coach who doesn't get respect in Flip.

Garnett has played with more all stars. He's had better point guards. Latrell Sprewell has made a career out of slashing. Last season, Sam and Latrell were playing out of this world. The only reason they didn't beat L.A. is because Garnett refused to take over games when Minny needed him to. He's got good defenders on the wings. Latrell and Hassell are very good defenders. Hell, Ervin Johnson up front is a pretty decent defender, and for all of Kandi's faults, he can block some shots.

The Spurs great defense is a product of their system. Beyond Duncan and Bowen, they don't have any great defenders. They have good defenders who know their roles.

[picnroll]

Did you see Duncan in the seventh game of the Finals in the fourth quarter when, in the post, he had every Piston collapsing in on him as he freed up and passed out to a wide open Bowen and then a wide open Manu for critical threes. When was the last time KG collapsed an entire defense freeing up his teammates? Duncan distorts the opponents defense and anchors the Spurs' post defense far, far better than KG does for the Puppies. That's the end of the discussion.

[tophy7]

now I am. Switch Garnett with Duncan and you got a even longer dynasty.

:lol they're both born in the same year dumbass how much more years could kg offer
Duncan 3 rings, 3 finals mvp's, 2 regular mvp's, 1 all star mvp, all defensive second team his 1st year, all defensive 1st team from his 2nd year to present, all nba first team every single year he's played

Garnett 1 mvp, 1 all star mvp, countless 1st round exits, made it out of 1st round once thanks to the clutch plays of cassell and spree (who you say are selfish and the reason they missed the playoffs). All defensive first team for 5 out of the 10 years he's played, 2 all nba first teams and some second teams
Has had the privilege to play with 4 all stars over his career (marbury/spree/wally z and cassell) compare to duncan's 2 (drob and manu)

You can keep KG and his failures "spurs" fan but I'll take the winner in TD

[Brodels]

are you talking about Duncan? At least you have Horry.

No, I'm talking about Garnett. I can't think of a superstar who has been less willing to try to carry the team on his back when its needed. The reason why they haven't won in the playoffs doesn't have to do with Kevin's supporting cast. The supporting cast he's had in the past has certainly been good enough to get out of the first round. Minny hasn't won because Kevin doesn't know how to win in big moments.

So many other superstars have done more with less.

[Banks91]

u kno i really dont like these kind of arguments , cuz a good player always gets bashed, like the mcgrady vs kobe shit. either way, we shall leave it as both teams are quite lucky to have either so u kno, thats it

[Spursdaone]

Garnett has played with more all stars. He's had better point guards. Latrell Sprewell has made a career out of slashing. Last season, Sam and Latrell were playing out of this world. The only reason they didn't beat L.A. is because Garnett refused to take over games when Minny needed him to. He's got good defenders on the wings. Latrell and Hassell are very good defenders. Hell, Ervin Johnson up front is a pretty decent defender, and for all of Kandi's faults, he can block some shots.

The Spurs great defense is a product of their system. Beyond Duncan and Bowen, they don't have any great defenders. They have good defenders who know their roles.
Hassell is the only good defender and E. Johnson was ok last year but they quit this year. Szerbiak is Stojakovic on defense. Sprewell at one point of his career was a good defender but has slowed down and gets beat constantly. I could almost say San Antonio has a better player in every other position except power forward.

[tophy7]

are you talking about Duncan? At least you have Horry.

Did you slip up there "spurs" fan, wouldn't a spurs fan say we had horry?

[Banks91]

woaw , its very simple , up until the last 2 years, there wasnt a single player u would take on the spurs over any player on the wolves other then duncan

[Spursdaone]

Duncan is a choker and Horry bailed him out if you didn't notice.

[Brodels]

I could almost say San Antonio has a better player in every other position except power forward.

:lol So you could 'almost' say it?

That pretty much sums it all up.

[Spursdaone]

Did you slip up there "spurs" fan, wouldn't a spurs fan say we had horry?
If I was on the team I would say that but we are just fans and that is that.

[Banks91]

yo dumbass ,u gonna bring that chokin shit up? loooool that shit is funny

since when was duncan another reggie on the line?? he never has been or ever will be a great free throw shooter,
i might . just might , agree with choker idea if it he put up a 4th quarter where he missed all his fg's, but were talkin bout free throws man, fuckin free throws

[tophy7]

Duncan is a choker and Horry bailed him out if you didn't notice.
Garnett is a choker and cassell bailed him out dumbass, also game 7 of the finals duncan didn't choke, game 6 of the 03 finals duncan didn't choke with 21 points 20 rebounds 10 assists and 8 blocks
Maybe 1 day kg can get to the finals and choke and let cassell take over the game for him

[tophy7]

If I was on the team I would say that but we are just fans and that is that.

Nice try but you said "you"
Just fess up, you're not a spurs fan
You're a fan of whoever spurs bitched this year

[Banks91]

at any given time any given game, id be more surprised if he hit 7 straight free throws then if he missed 7 straight free throws, simple as that

[Spursdaone]

Parker>Cassell
Ginobili>Sprewell
Bowen>Hassell
Duncan<Garnett
Mohammad>Olawakandi
bench even

[tophy7]

How come with the same team last year kg made it to the wcf with more injuries but this year he didn't make it to the playoffs at all?
Good mvp he was :lol
I think we can call the 04 season a fluke

[Spursdaone]

Neither of them are clutch but Garnett does more in a 48 minute game than Duncan. He was pretty clutch against Sacramento as I recall hitting the game winner in the big game.

[tophy7]

Wow 1 game makes a clutch player, Duncan has hit more game winners than KG the choker

[Banks91]

amen to that

[Spursdaone]

Duncan is the biggest choker I've ever seen for a superstar.

[tophy7]

Also I've never heard any reports of Duncan punching his teammate in practice like KG punching that rookie just for scoring on him. Great leader that "mvp" is.

[Spursdaone]

KG put him in his place :lol

[midgetonadonkey]

Duncan is a choker and Horry bailed him out if you didn't notice.

His constant choking led him to 3 rings and 3 finals MVPs. I bet a lot of players in the league would love to choke like that.

[tophy7]

Duncan is the biggest choker I've ever seen for a superstar.

Duncan has hit plenty of shots to win the game, 3 in 03 (against memphis, utah and orlando), the .4 game who hit that big shot on shaq not to mention the play before that where he hit that shot on shaq, who was the reason spurs came back from 9 down in game 7 of the pistons series (duncan). Then there's that near quad game of the 03 finals. All you can come up with his he missed free throws so he's a choker but if he's not a good free throw shooter to begin with how can he choke? It would be different if he was a 90% ft shooter and he misses them at the end.

[Spursdaone]

Well if you don't have the talent and the right coach you can't win championships and Garnett was close last year but Cassell got injured. Olowakandi sucks.

[mookie2001]

spursdaone you fucking suck

trade bowen for mike james and duncan is a "choker". although IF he spurs would have lost, he may have been labled as choking in the series, i dont think anyone would say he's a "choker"

[jochhejaam]

Duncan is the biggest choker I've ever seen for a superstar.

You must be a new fan and new to the game. No longtime true-blue Spurs fan would dare to utter such a reprehensible and untrue comment about Tim.
Deserter!

Why, if you were a Piston fan I'd have you Court Martialed! :lol

[Spursdaone]

I wouldn't trust Duncan at the end of games and that shot against LAL was a fluke shot. Sorry but Duncan has choked more than he is clutch. Horry and Ginobili are clutch. Cassell's injury was devastating for Minnesota.

[picnroll]

All time greatest PF

..... and the winner (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2074360) is

[tophy7]

He's a wolves fan posing as a spurs fan to try and make his comments credible. I mean think about it if he came in here being a wolves fan would anyone take him serious (see wolves099 whatever his name is). He says he's a spurs fan so people won't think he's a homer when bashing duncan.

[tophy7]

I wouldn't trust Duncan at the end of games and that shot against LAL was a fluke shot. Sorry but Duncan has choked more than he is clutch. Horry and Ginobili are clutch. Cassell's injury was devastating for Minnesota.

It was a fluke yet he hit 2 shots in the last minute of the game :lol
You're done.

[SequSpur]

tim 3
kg 0

[tophy7]

I haven't even mentioned the 2 times Spurs and Wolves met Duncan busted his ass and spurs won both times.
Damn how many times can someone get owned in 1 thread
Are you sure you're not lakergod :lol

[Spursdaone]

guess who won the game. Duncan was owned by Malone and R. Wallace. Larry Brown was stupid not to put him on Duncan more. I speak the truth and tell no lies.

[midgetonadonkey]

Cassell's injury was devastating for Minnesota.

His injury should have been expected. Bastard is like 54 years old. Most old people go down with hip injuries.

[tophy7]

guess who won the game. Duncan was owned by Malone and R. Wallace. Larry Brown was stupid not to put him on Duncan more. I speak the truth and tell no lies.

Yeah blame duncan for not blocking fisher? Manu was on him you moron.
But if you were a spurs fan you'd know that.

[jochhejaam]

guess who won the game. Duncan was owned by Malone and R. Wallace. Larry Brown was stupid not to put him on Duncan more. I speak the truth and tell no lies.

no lies? Spurs fan?

you've lost all credibility except you never had any so that's an oxymoron

:lol

[tophy7]

What little, if any, credibility he had in the first place :lol

[Spursdaone]

The spurs were choking the whole game in game 5 against LAL. I am a big Ginobili fan if you didn't know. Spurs are by far the most talented team and I expect with the talent Duncan has to win the championship. Garnett would be more motivated if he was playing for San Antonio. Just look at the stats and you see that Garnett is the best player in the league.

[picnroll]

Every year a couple of Puppy fans try to make the imbecilic case that Garnett is as good or better than Duncan. It's understandable though because what else does that pathetic franchise have to try to lay claim to.

[sickdsm]

Garnett has played with more all stars. He's had better point guards. Latrell Sprewell has made a career out of slashing. Last season, Sam and Latrell were playing out of this world. The only reason they didn't beat L.A. is because Garnett refused to take over games when Minny needed him to. He's got good defenders on the wings. Latrell and Hassell are very good defenders. Hell, Ervin Johnson up front is a pretty decent defender, and for all of Kandi's faults, he can block some shots.

The Spurs great defense is a product of their system. Beyond Duncan and Bowen, they don't have any great defenders. They have good defenders who know their roles.


Are you fucking retarded? Seriously. I thought you had some knowledge and at times wasn't as big of a homer as alot of people on here but seriously, ARE YOU ON CRACK????

The only reason they didn't beat L.A. is because Garnett refused to take over games when Minny needed him to.

On one hand you jock up cassell how great he was playing. Yes he was. But when you reached for the crack pipe did you spill on your stats you were looking at? Sam WAS HURT THAT SERIES! You might like to think that .4 was separating the spurs from a threepeat but had they won that series and played the wolves with sammy you probably would have been dispatched anyway. With Kevin running the point and at times Darrick Martin they still took it to the lakers for six games, not to mention game one was two days after a late emotional game seven. Take the spurs second best player, manu, out and what do you have?

Nothing with contender written in there for sure.

Kandi's a great shot blocker. So is Griffen, Chris Anderson, etc...

What does that have to do with defense? Did someone forget to tell you that overzealousness to block a shot, go up for pump fakes is PROBABLY why Kandi picks up fouls at a Fortson-like rate?

Sprewell wasn't that great of a defender last year. He was probably about equal to Hoiberg. Good but Freddy made up his lack of quickness with knowledge about the game. I hope you run a good 40 yard to make up for your lack of it.


Everyone LOVES to point out that Wally was an all star. Conveniently everyone forgets that WHEN he was he was a SG, his only year. They didn't do anything then bc he got hurt after the break.

As for making players better, how many guys that have been cut have been made into household names under duncan? Hoiberg and hassell WOULD NOT be in the league today without Kev. How many over the hill players has Tim made into all stars for the first time? Talk is all fine but really, with the lack of centers in the west and if tim is a player that makes others better, why the hell didn't rasho make the ASG? Hell, his numbers are worse than the last year he was in minnesota.

You want to end this argument? Here it is. Theres a lot of "you types" in MN. The wolves have had moderate success so alot of people equate that hack Flip Saunders to it. The spurs have had success so people claim its all bc of timmy. The Spurs and Patriots are VERY similar like that. Nevermind the great coaching staff and rock solid scouts, front office, and entire personall, Tom Brady is likely headed to the HOF. Hell, w/out a rock star kicker would he even have more than one ring? Doubtfull.

The REASON we are having this debate is while the spurs org. have been rock solid, the wolves have gave an average guy an illegal deal that cost them FOUR first round picks. That scenario alone would have cost you at least your last two rings. Without being able to sign some draft picks OR recruit big name FA's, how did you expect the wolves to compete? They did damn well considering. While your FO went through the players to see who there were going to draft, we only had our newly hired coach evaluating talent, no assistants. Not to mention McHale hates to scout and avoids travel (has said that numerous times). We ALSO hired our "non gm" GM in Chapman ONE DAY BEFORE the draft.

As much as I love KG, if it were possible i'd trade him for Buford, Pop and the scouts in a heartbeat and laugh how you guys got snookered.

You know this too.

[tophy7]

There's no use arguing with a moron like you so in the words of Sequspur

3-0

(not intended for you sickdsm)

[batman2883]

First of all Garnett is a better rebounder and passer. Tim is unstoppable on the block? The only unstoppable player I can think of is Shaq but Garnett has more quickness to make up for is lack of post moves. Tim has a better coach and unselfish players on his team unlike Garnett. This is an unfair comparison due to each teams situations.


Bullshit, do not defend KG and the Wolves, the only reason KG is not surrounded by better players is because he has a say in who the Wolves pick up. That alone is that teams downfall, did bringing over Latrell and Cassell what did he accomplish??? Nothing they didnt even make the playoffs, Duncan however, has a better supporting cast but thats cause he lets his front office do their job. Point made im out. :elephant

[sickdsm]

Also I've never heard any reports of Jordan punching his teammate in practice like MJ punching that rookie just for scoring on him. Great leader that "mvp" is.


Well, MJ KO'd Steve freakin Kerr and someone else, i forget.

Could very well have been that quote


The story is Rickert was playing well but in addition to elbowing Kev every time, which he told him to knock it off, Rickert would call foul on him on plays which he didn't do well, everytime.

[batman2883]

Are you fucking retarded? Seriously. I thought you had some knowledge and at times wasn't as big of a homer as alot of people on here but seriously, ARE YOU ON CRACK????

The only reason they didn't beat L.A. is because Garnett refused to take over games when Minny needed him to.

On one hand you jock up cassell how great he was playing. Yes he was. But when you reached for the crack pipe did you spill on your stats you were looking at? Sam WAS HURT THAT SERIES! You might like to think that .4 was separating the spurs from a threepeat but had they won that series and played the wolves with sammy you probably would have been dispatched anyway. With Kevin running the point and at times Darrick Martin they still took it to the lakers for six games, not to mention game one was two days after a late emotional game seven. Take the spurs second best player, manu, out and what do you have?

Nothing with contender written in there for sure.

Kandi's a great shot blocker. So is Griffen, Chris Anderson, etc...

What does that have to do with defense? Did someone forget to tell you that overzealousness to block a shot, go up for pump fakes is PROBABLY why Kandi picks up fouls at a Fortson-like rate?

Sprewell wasn't that great of a defender last year. He was probably about equal to Hoiberg. Good but Freddy made up his lack of quickness with knowledge about the game. I hope you run a good 40 yard to make up for your lack of it.


Everyone LOVES to point out that Wally was an all star. Conveniently everyone forgets that WHEN he was he was a SG, his only year. They didn't do anything then bc he got hurt after the break.

As for making players better, how many guys that have been cut have been made into household names under duncan? Hoiberg and hassell WOULD NOT be in the league today without Kev. How many over the hill players has Tim made into all stars for the first time? Talk is all fine but really, with the lack of centers in the west and if tim is a player that makes others better, why the hell didn't rasho make the ASG? Hell, his numbers are worse than the last year he was in minnesota.

You want to end this argument? Here it is. Theres a lot of "you types" in MN. The wolves have had moderate success so alot of people equate that hack Flip Saunders to it. The spurs have had success so people claim its all bc of timmy. The Spurs and Patriots are VERY similar like that. Nevermind the great coaching staff and rock solid scouts, front office, and entire personall, Tom Brady is likely headed to the HOF. Hell, w/out a rock star kicker would he even have more than one ring? Doubtfull.

The REASON we are having this debate is while the spurs org. have been rock solid, the wolves have gave an average guy an illegal deal that cost them FOUR first round picks. That scenario alone would have cost you at least your last two rings. Without being able to sign some draft picks OR recruit big name FA's, how did you expect the wolves to compete? They did damn well considering. While your FO went through the players to see who there were going to draft, we only had our newly hired coach evaluating talent, no assistants. Not to mention McHale hates to scout and avoids travel (has said that numerous times). We ALSO hired our "non gm" GM in Chapman ONE DAY BEFORE the draft.

As much as I love KG, if it were possible i'd trade him for Buford, Pop and the scouts in a heartbeat and laugh how you guys got snookered.

You know this too.

Oh man get over it the Spurs owned the Timberwolves just as they owned the Suns this year, during the regular season, and they would have swept through them in the playoffs. Call Tim Duncan and the rest of the crew, the Timberwolve Killers, how many times did we knock them out the first round again???? Thats what i thought, why because your weak ass power foward KG is all talk, nothing more, when its time to take over a game, KG chokes the big one. I do believe Tim Duncan now has 3 Finals MVP trophies, to add to his 3 Larry O'Brien Trophies at the SBC center, and his Two NBA MVP awards won back to back. Some one give KG the hemlich, cause once again he's probably choking on something this very moment

[sickdsm]

Bullshit, do not defend KG and the Wolves, the only reason KG is not surrounded by better players is because he has a say in who the Wolves pick up. That alone is that teams downfall, did bringing over Latrell and Cassell what did he accomplish??? Nothing they didnt even make the playoffs, Duncan however, has a better supporting cast but thats cause he lets his front office do their job. Point made im out. :elephant


Foiled again Batman (damn that feels good to actually use that in a normal conversation!)

Joe Smith was his best buddy, Anthony Peeler was a very good friend toor.

For a guy that likes to stick with the friends he's always had, your reaching there.

[tophy7]

So punching him was going to solve the problem?

[Spursdaone]

1 player can't make that much of a difference for a sorry team. Ask Mcgrady.

[sickdsm]

Nice to see you actually put thought and intelligence into that post.

You forgot to blast Me/KG/Wolves on our grammer, spelling, moms, weather, NFL team, etc... without having anything to back up what you said.

[picnroll]

Well, MJ KO'd Steve freakin Kerr and someone else, i forget.

Could very well have been that quote


The story is Rickert was playing well but in addition to elbowing Kev every time, which he told him to knock it off, Rickert would call foul on him on plays which he didn't do well, everytime.
... and what's the story when Garnett slapped Duncan in the back of his head when Duncan had his back turned?

[sickdsm]

Were you talking about KG or Jordan?

Rickert is still trying to get a gig in the NBA.

If he's going to alledgedly have an attitude like that in a scrimmage, we wouldn't have had the chemistry we did in '04 then.

[tophy7]

Nice to see you actually put thought and intelligence into that post.

You forgot to blast Me/KG/Wolves on our grammer, spelling, moms, weather, NFL team, etc... without having anything to back up what you said.

grammAr

The reason I'm not responding in full is that I've had enough arguing with that other idiot

[Spursdaone]

Both karl Malone and KG are better than Duncan.

[tophy7]

... and what's the story when Garnett slapped Duncan in the back of his head when Duncan had his back turned?

Or when KG told duncan "happy mother's day motherfucker" knowing full well his mother died.
KG is such a great guy, I can't believe he'll retire ringless :lol

[sickdsm]

... and what's the story when Garnett slapped Duncan in the back of his head when Duncan had his back turned?


Probably similar stories when Peeler hit KG without justification.

Have you ever competed at anything fiercly?

Or are you Tpark in disguise?

[batman2883]

Both karl Malone and KG are better than Duncan.


Tell me this isnt a real post from someone who actually watches basketball, because there was definitly no thought put into this comment.

[Spursdaone]

Duncan is soft.

[picnroll]

KG is a bigger ahole than Malone. He turns around and stabs Flip in the back as soon as Flips gone. Flip couldn't believe it and was truly hurt by the phony he thought was his friend.

[E20]

Spursdaone is wolves009/

[batman2883]

KG is a choke artist who will never win a ring, and Malone was a cheap shot, elbow throwing, ringless chump as well, I would still put Malone ahead of KG, but im sorry the hardware that Tim has speaks for itself.

[sickdsm]

Or when KG told duncan "happy mother's day motherfucker" knowing full well his mother died.
KG is such a great guy, I can't believe he'll retire ringless :lol


Newbie, a year ago i challanged ANYONE to provide proof that happaned. I stated that Kori, among others probably has access to game film, radio broadcast etc... of that game. Give me audio, footage of lips moving, public accusation of a spur player even. Everyone stated that "so and so" told them it happaned. Eventually all fingers pointed back to Kori and LJ, who refused to acknowledge that.

Go lick yourself.

[Spursdaone]

Malone is the greatest power forward of all time followed by KG. If either had the talented players Duncan had they would be a dynasty.

[tophy7]

Newbie


Go lick yourself.

Such hostile behaviour, but then again being a fan of KG I wouldn't expect any less

[batman2883]

Malone is the greatest power forward of all time followed by KG. If either had the talented players Duncan had they would be a dynasty.


Oh man this guy definitly has no idea what he is talking about, Tim Duncan has already suprassed any little dent that Malone left behind by accomplishing what one other player in NBA history had ever done, Two years straight being the MVP. Malone is under Tim Duncan now, just a simple fact do some research, hell just go to ESPN.com and look at the poll and what the analysts say. Its Duncan at number 1, then Malone, then KG.

[Spursdaone]

Go lick yourself.
I don't think it reaches. :lol

[batman2883]

Duncan murders KG every time they play against each other, every time. So until someone comes up with a logical reason as to why KG actually is a better player than Duncan, just face the truth. Tim Duncan OWNS KG, he OWNS him. Im out

[E20]

Malone is the greatest power forward of all time followed by KG. If either had the talented players Duncan had they would be a dynasty.

Let's check it out:
Karl Malone had John Stockton arugebly one of the best PG' EVER and Jeff Hornacek and quality role players that lead him to the finals more than once yet to be stuffed by the Bulls. Oh wait that is the reason he doesn't have a ring because a team beat his team. That must TD's fault.

Kevin Garnett had Stephon Marbuy, Chanuncey Billups, Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell. Yet for all of Garnett's players he still had trouble getting out of the 1st round. :wow

Let us look at there resumes:
Tim Duncan: 3 Rings, 3 Final MVPS, 2 MVPs
Karl Malone: 2 MVPs
Kevin Garnett: MVP

I could go into the All-NBA selections, All-Star Selections/MVPS, scoring titles and career stats but, that would take to long. Since Duncan at the peak of his prime has a had a helluva better career than all of Karl Malones and will probably have a better one than KG's it is safe to say that TD > KG and Malone. Also, TD's career stats are higher than KG's except for KG"s useless assists.

[sickdsm]

KG is a choke artist who will never win a ring, and Malone was a cheap shot, elbow throwing, ringless chump as well, I would still put Malone ahead of KG, but im sorry the hardware that Tim has speaks for itself.

Horry >>>>>>Duncan?

Tell me then, what was the reason why Tim Choked at the olympics?

Hell, he had the best two coaches in the game, Guys who went for MVP thought-worthy years in AI, LeBron, Wade, Amare the very next season. RJ was having a GREAT year too before injury.

In FACT, the only two guys that had unimpressive seasons were Carmelo and Boozer.

No excuse for that, you can't even use the "no shooter" argument since the rest of your roster was so much better.

It'd be like blaming the pistons loss on there lack of 12'th man game experience.

[tophy7]

Let's check it out:
Karl Malone had John Stockton arugebly one of the best PG' EVER and Jeff Hornacek and quality role players that lead him to the finals more than once yet to be stuffed by the Bulls. Oh wait that is the reason he doesn't have a ring because a team beat his team. That must TD's fault.

Kevin Garnett had Stephon Marbuy, Chanuncey Billups, Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell. Yet for all of Garnett's players he still had trouble getting out of the 1st round. :wow

Let us look at there resumes:
Tim Duncan: 3 Rings, 3 Final MVPS, 2 MVPs
Karl Malone: 2 MVPs
Kevin Garnett: MVP

I could go into the All-NBA selections, All-Star Selections/MVPS, scoring titles and career stats but, that would take to long. Since Duncan at the peak of his prime has a had a helluva better career than all of Karl Malones and will probably have a better one than KG's it is safe to say that TD > KG and Malone. Also, TD's career stats are higher than KG's except for KG"s useless assists.

OWNED

[Spursdaone]

Malone's stats are way ahead of Duncan's. Garnett's are better to. Duncan is officially the most overrated player ever. If only Malone had the team but Osterfag starting along with B. Russell and Shandon Anderson is not enough. Look at his stats from 89-95 and Malone is clearly better.

[E20]

SickDMS, outside shooting despite all of our great atheltiscm and dunking ability no one could really make the international zone defense pay with some three pointers. Also, Tim Duncan was in foul trouble for mostly all his games.

[sickdsm]

Let's check it out:
Karl Malone had John Stockton arugebly one of the best PG' EVER and Jeff Hornacek and quality role players that lead him to the finals more than once yet to be stuffed by the Bulls. Oh wait that is the reason he doesn't have a ring because a team beat his team. That must TD's fault.

Kevin Garnett had Stephon Marbuy, Chanuncey Billups, Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell. Yet for all of Garnett's players he still had trouble getting out of the 1st round. :wow

Let us look at there resumes:
Tim Duncan: 3 Rings, 3 Final MVPS, 2 MVPs
Karl Malone: 2 MVPs
Kevin Garnett: MVP

I could go into the All-NBA selections, All-Star Selections/MVPS, scoring titles and career stats but, that would take to long. Since Duncan at the peak of his prime has a had a helluva better career than all of Karl Malones and will probably have a better one than KG's it is safe to say that TD > KG and Malone. Also, TD's career stats are higher than KG's except for KG"s useless assists.


We had ray allen too. Might as well throw that in there bc with your logic your not taking into acct that these guys didn't play together or at the prime of there careers.

[Spursdaone]

Just admit Garnett is better than Duncan but Duncan't team is way better than Garnett's team.

[E20]

I hate to do it to you Spursdaone but Timmy's career stats surpass KG's:

Tim
22.5 PPG
12.2 RPG
2.5 BPG
3.1 APG
2.9 TPG
38.3 MPG

KG:
20.2 PPG
11 RPG
1.6 BPG
4.5 APG
2.8 TPG
38.2 MPG

[Spursdaone]

KG came in through high school unlike Duncan which his first 4 years shouldn't count against him.

[E20]

We had ray allen too. Might as well throw that in there bc with your logic your not taking into acct that these guys didn't play together or at the prime of there careers.
Prime or no Prime I remember TD leading his team to a 2003 championship with overall scrubs thought by everyone. Parker didn't play well, Manu didn't play like he does now, David Robinson = Nesterovich type numbers etc....I could probably post the stats of the team rosters but, I'm too lazy.

[batman2883]

Just admit Garnett is better than Duncan but Duncan't team is way better than Garnett's team.


Are you even a Spurs fan? Either your not, or you have some very crazy mental problems, KG just doesnt have what it takes to be a champion, face the fact, The Spurs Own the Wolves, hell any team that KG plans to play with even if it wont be Minnesota, TD will always own KG.

[Spursdaone]

Prime or no Prime I remember TD leading his team to a 2003 championship with overall scrubs thought by everyone. Parker didn't play well, Manu didn't play like he does now, David Robinson = Nesterovich type numbers etc....I could probably post the stats of the team rosters but, I'm too lazy.
That was Parker's best year and Stephen Jackson was on that team back then along with Speedy Claxton. That team had alot of talent also.

[E20]

KG came in through high school unlike Duncan which his first 4 years shouldn't count against him.
Some kid told me that when I was debating TD > KG, I said hmm KG had the choice of going to college why didn't he, to hone his talent into skill? The kid couldn't respond.

[batman2883]

That was Parker's best year and Stephen Jackson was on that team back then along with Speedy Claxton. That team had alot of talent also.


Parkers best year my ass, do you not remember Speedy Claxton having to come in and handle the point. Why, because Parker wasn't ready for the big show yet, get your shit together

[picnroll]

We had ray allen too. Might as well throw that in there bc with your logic your not taking into acct that these guys didn't play together or at the prime of there careers.

Duncan wins championships with two entirely different teams as the focal player with no players in their prime. The first is with a future hall of famer toward the tail end of his career, a journeyman PG a year away from being backup PG on the lottery Nuggets, a guy a few days from a kidney transplant, a SG about to retire. Seond time it's with a non-scoring defensive SF, a 20 y.o. PG, a guy who'd bounced around the world and was on IR the year before at SG, a center with bad knees and a bad back, a backup big who they would try to unload within two years, and a rookie from the Euroleagues who missed half the season with a sprained ankle.

[E20]

That was Parker's best year and Stephen Jackson was on that team back then along with Speedy Claxton. That team had alot of talent also.
Parker's averges were lower that season compared to this season, Speedy had to save his ass off the bench during the playoffs. And SJAX was averagin 11.8 PPG

[Spursdaone]

Parker was a better shooter back then and when he wasn't they had Speedy. Ginobili wasn't great but was a spark plug for the spurs back then. Bowen was at his prime that year. D. Robinson got healthy and contributed to that team. I could go on why San Antonio won that year.

[picnroll]

Simple fact is Duncan makes those around him better and Garnett doesn't. Yo never here about guys not liking or wanting to play with Duncan like Wally, Marbury, Rasho with Garnett.

[batman2883]

Parker was a better shooter back then and when he wasn't they had Speedy. Ginobili wasn't great but was a spark plug for the spurs back then. Bowen was at his prime that year. D. Robinson got healthy and contributed to that team. I could go on why San Antonio won that year.


Oh man please i beg you get on the ball and do some research Bowen was not in his prime. If you recall in the Dallas series they even reverted to Hack a Bowen because he couldnt even hit the backboard. David Robinson was not health his back was nearly gone, and Stephen Jackson didnt hit his prime till he went to Atlanta, Jackson in fact committed more turnovers than any other Spur that year. Im guessing your planning on cheering on the Wolves this season huh?

[batman2883]

Simple fact is Duncan makes those around him better and Garnett doesn't.


As a true leader would, Duncan is so much of a presence in the paint, he opens his shooters up for either a wide open jumper, or a hole big enough to run the lane. Poor KG doesnt command that type of respect, but thats Duncan's fault i guess for being so great in the paint.

[Spursdaone]

So if Duncan misses free throws does that make him have a bad year? Bowen was locking down Kobe big time that year and was hitting 3 pointers also. I remember one game where Bowen outscored Kobe. You need to check up on the stats.

[picnroll]

Spusdaone isn't a Spurs fan which is why he knows jack about past Spurs teams.

[batman2883]

So if Duncan misses free throws does that make him have a bad year? Bowen was locking down Kobe big time that year and was hitting 3 pointers also. I remember one game where Bowen outscored Kobe. You need to check up on the stats.


Ha ha ha ha oh man you are totally not even worth my time to argue with, I guess your just a new Spurs fan because they won this year right. Go back to whatever team you were cheering for before the Spurs won the championship you bandwagoner.

[Spursdaone]

I am a spurs fans but I don't like homerism. You can't underestimate how much help Duncan had.

[Timoha]

Spusdaone isn't a Spurs fan which is why he knows jack about past Spurs teams.


And also stated taht Duncan is soft, that Malone and KG are better then TD, Horry sucks and bowen should be traded. I don't know any Spurs fans who think as such.

[Spursdaone]

You don't like to here the truth on that which is homerism.

[sickdsm]

Duncan murders KG every time they play against each other, every time. So until someone comes up with a logical reason as to why KG actually is a better player than Duncan, just face the truth. Tim Duncan OWNS KG, he OWNS him. Im out

This is '04, when the supporting cast was about equal talant wise.


KG had 24-7-2 47 FG %
TD had 36-20-7 53 FG %

Wolves Win.


Tim played about ten more minutes than KG. Not to mention this is when the rest of the team besides the big three scored a measily 24 points. This is interesting bc this is the ONE game where Sam didn't have bruce defending him. KG gets help, tim plays big minutes, or as you KG detractors like to say, he stat padded. Bottom line is this game proves for this season that it matters more what the rest of your teamates give you.

KG had 28-10-7 44 FG %
TD had 26-8-2 33 FG %

Wolves loss

KG had 28-12-3 60 FG %
TD had 22 -10-1 40 FG %

Wolves loss

KG had 27-10-4 50 FG %
TD had 26-8-5 52 FG %

Wolves win


KG shot 49 % that year against the spurs. Timmy shot 45%.

Thats usually the best factor when two heavyweights go at it.

[Spursdaone]

Horry and Bowen are getting old which is the perfect time to sell to get something in return. Duncan is soft because he looked scared in games 5 and 6. The truth hurts

[batman2883]

You don't like to here the truth on that which is homerism.


And whats the truth? That when it comes to Spurs Basketball your a complete moron? Please save yourself the embarrassment and change your home team back to the Lakers or something.

[picnroll]

Duncan played the entire post-season on two bad ankles and carried the Spurs to a title. Even he, who rarely admits any injury, said they would get pretty sore by the fourth quater. Soft my ass.

[Spursdaone]

You don't even have a comeback now. All you do now is insult me. I got the final word on each argument and it pains you.

[batman2883]

Just ignore spursdaone, his ignorant comments make things very very clear. The Spurs are not his team, just a bandwagon riding fake fan.

[picnroll]

... and now you're delusional.

[batman2883]

You don't even have a comeback now. All you do now is insult me. I got the final word on each argument and it pains you.



Ha ha ha ha pain me sorry guy but it doesn't the fact that i know KG wont be going home to not one but 2 mvp trophies and 3 finals mvp trophies, and soon to be three rings on his fingers help me sleep a lot better at night knowing that KG is just dust in the wind compared to TD. You still have nothing to come back with, statistically, Duncan rules KG, Hardware-wise Duncan owns KG, Series-wise, Duncan owns KG. Once again im out.

[Spursdaone]

Just stop this homerism and be objective here. I know it is hard but you got to be fair with what Garnett has on his team.

[whottt]

KG stopped being able to use the teamates excuse last year...

I mean fuck...he had 3 guys that either were or had been All Stars not too long ago on his team last season...

I mean geez...I could win a fucking title if I had 4 All Stars surrounding me...

Who does he need, Shaq?


Bottom line...not making the playoffs this season is inexcusable...KG is not a franchise player...at least, he's not a great one...

And the weak teamates card doesn't excuse 1 division title in his entire career...only getting past the first round once....

KG can put up numbers with the best of them...but he's not elite when it comes to putting up the wins...title or no title...

KG has had the teamates to win big with even if not to win a title...he's never done it except one time, when he had 3 AS caliber players on his team...

Not a great franchise player, not in Duncan's league...and this is without using Duncan's titles.

[tophy7]

This is '04, when the supporting cast was about equal talant wise.


KG had 24-7-2 47 FG %
TD had 36-20-7 53 FG %

Wolves Win.


Tim played about ten more minutes than KG. Not to mention this is when the rest of the team besides the big three scored a measily 24 points. This is interesting bc this is the ONE game where Sam didn't have bruce defending him. KG gets help, tim plays big minutes, or as you KG detractors like to say, he stat padded. Bottom line is this game proves for this season that it matters more what the rest of your teamates give you.

KG had 28-10-7 44 FG %
TD had 26-8-2 33 FG %

Wolves loss

KG had 28-12-3 60 FG %
TD had 22 -10-1 40 FG %

Wolves loss

KG had 27-10-4 50 FG %
TD had 26-8-5 52 FG %

Wolves win


KG shot 49 % that year against the spurs. Timmy shot 45%.

Thats usually the best factor when two heavyweights go at it.

Didn't he come off the bench in one of those games?

[TDfan2007]

Spursdaone needs to get his facts straight and quit pretending to be a Spur's fan.

[jochhejaam]

Oh man this guy definitly has no idea what he is talking about, Tim Duncan has already suprassed any little dent that Malone left behind by accomplishing what one other player in NBA history had ever done, Two years straight being the MVP. Malone is under Tim Duncan now, just a simple fact do some research, hell just go to ESPN.com and look at the poll and what the analysts say. Its Duncan at number 1, then Malone, then KG.

Malone was quite a player but not winning a championship really puts a dent in his legacy. The 2 things I'll never forget about Malone are his failed attempt to win a ring with the Lakers (compliments of my own Pistons) and his "I'm huntin' little Mexican girls" comment...sad.

Sometimes it's not how you start but how you end.

[jochhejaam]

Malone's stats are way ahead of Duncan's. Garnett's are better to. Duncan is officially the most overrated player ever. If only Malone had the team but Osterfag starting along with B. Russell and Shandon Anderson is not enough. Look at his stats from 89-95 and Malone is clearly better.


At least have the decency to ask Kori to put your "real" favorite team in your bio., it's impossible to take you seriously with that under your user-name. And change your user-name too, that would be helpful.

Although it's obvious you're not a student of the game so it's hard to take you seriously based upon the content of your posts.

I guess that makes you a double threat...rare, but not totally unheard of... :lol

[flipcritic]

It's pointless to argue with someone who won't listen to reason (you know who you are). No one needs to argue for Duncan's intangible superiority over KG (and I think KG is an incredible basketball player). How can you argue with all of those trophies he keeps on hoisting over his head? Until KG does it with the same frequency... case closed.

[zeleni]

sorry for sayin' this:

My is bigger then yours forum.

[kskonn]

First off there is no such thing as good assist and bad assist. They both create but Minnesota has 3 selfish players in Cassell, Sprewell, and Szerbiak and sorry ass center in Olawakandi. Garnett has shit to work with and they don't know how to play the game. Put him on a good team and things will be alot different like what happened to Mcgrady this year.

so just like mcgrady lost after being up on the mavericks just like he lost last year, a total choke, then no matter what team you put Garnett he would still suck in the playoffs? The more things change the more they stay the same...

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

Way to end the debate.

[Extra Stout]

History will not be kind to Kevin Garnett. Players who don't win are forgotten, no matter how great their statistics are.

KG is a stat monster. But he's always going to be saddled with the failures of his team, even though Glen Taylor and Kevin McHale are more to blame than he is.

KG should have been able to do more with the talent he had around him than he has. His teams frequently have been a mess chemistry-wise, and he has something to do with that. The supporting cast follows the lead of the superstar to a certain extent.

Tim Duncan has three championships and three Finals MVP's to go along with his two regular-season MVP's. People remember the hardware. Also, look at the 2001-02 Spurs roster, keep in mind how often David Robinson was out with back trouble, and ask yourself if KG really could have gone 58-24 with that supporting cast.

[ambchang]

1 player can't make that much of a difference for a sorry team. Ask Mcgrady.
and McGrady is the most overrated player in the NBA over the last couple of years. Questionable shot selection, suspect passing, ballhogs, can play great defense but never does, chokes like Bush on a pretzel ... oh wait, I get it, you are a fan of the chokers! Garnett, McGrady. Are Malone and Elvin Hayes your heros too? What about Nick Anderson?

[ambchang]

Both karl Malone and KG are better than Duncan.
Bingo! You ARE a fan of the choker! I was right!

[ambchang]

Malone's stats are way ahead of Duncan's. Garnett's are better to. Duncan is officially the most overrated player ever. If only Malone had the team but Osterfag starting along with B. Russell and Shandon Anderson is not enough. Look at his stats from 89-95 and Malone is clearly better.
This dude is enjoying himself. The thread is quite funny, reminds me how clowns do stupid things to incite laughter and attract attention.
Love this.

[Banks91]

look, the day Duncan misses the playoffs , we can talk u dumb fuck

[Banks91]

and to me the funniest thing is Garnett should thank Duncan for playin in the qualifying and olympics the last 2 years, only reason Garnett got a chance to get a league MVP, duncan wouldve taken it 3 straight years . Now he should thank him for gettin the only hardware he can actually be remembered

[Spursdaone]

and McGrady is the most overrated player in the NBA over the last couple of years. Questionable shot selection, suspect passing, ballhogs, can play great defense but never does, chokes like Bush on a pretzel ... oh wait, I get it, you are a fan of the chokers! Garnett, McGrady. Are Malone and Elvin Hayes your heros too? What about Nick Anderson?
How is Mcgrady a choker? He always plays better in the playoffs but he has to play the whole game to keep his team in it. The longer the series goes the more tired he gets. Mcgrady has a soft center in Yao and the only good player he has on the bench is Mike James. Mcgrady is no choker. Malone choked a couple times but in his prime there was no talent around him. 2 players don't make a team and not having a center because Mohammad or Robinson>> to Ostertag in Eaton.

[ambchang]

How is Mcgrady a choker? He always plays better in the playoffs but he has to play the whole game to keep his team in it. The longer the series goes the more tired he gets. Mcgrady has a soft center in Yao and the only good player he has on the bench is Mike James. Mcgrady is no choker. Malone choked a couple times but in his prime there was no talent around him. 2 players don't make a team and not having a center because Mohammad or Robinson>> to Ostertag in Eaton.

3-1 lead over Detroit.
2-0 over Mavs.
Guess what those turned to ... and why?
Game 1 - 14 for 27 = wins
Game 2 - 10-19 = wins
Game 3 - 10-23 = loss
Game 4 - 13-26 = loss
Game 5 - 7-22 = Loss
Game 6 - 14-28 = Loss
Game 7 - 10-26 = Loss

And I looooove the fact how you just avoided players like Stockton, Jeff Malone and Jeff Hornacek. BTW, Mark Eaton was one of the best lowpost defender in league history, and made the All-Star team (once).

[Spursdaone]

All Utah needed was a 3rd option or a second option because Malone was the only guy who could score big on that team. Jeff Malone? He is no great player.

[ObiwanGinobili]

SPURSDAONE:

Challange for you.

List 10 reasons you love the Spurs (your "favorite" team) that does not contradict anythign you've posted on this forum.
you have 1 hr.


begin.

[sickdsm]

I hate to do it to you Spursdaone but Timmy's career stats surpass KG's:

Tim
22.5 PPG
12.2 RPG
2.5 BPG
3.1 APG
2.9 TPG
38.3 MPG

KG:
20.2 PPG
11 RPG
1.6 BPG
4.5 APG
2.8 TPG
38.2 MPG


Like JON, KG had a learning curve coming straight out of HS. Take his first two years out and his numbers pencil out like this.

By they way, some of your stats on KG are wrong according to my references's

KG:
21.9 PPG
12.1 RPG
1.7 BPG
5.1 APG

he actually had much better block numbers in his first two years for the minutes played. Which completely supports my theory how blocks don't equal great defense. He had to learn not to go for pump fakes and not foul.

Taking only the last five years, the numbers pencil out like this.

KG
22.5 PPG
12.9 RPG
5.4 APG
1.4 SPG


TD
22.8 PPG
12.3 RPG
3.3 APG
0.8 SPG

I find it ammusing how everyone loves to point out that tim gets more blocks but negates the steals. Last i checked a steal GUARANTEES possesion.

Pretty equal in these spur fans eyes. Slightly favoring KG in everyone else's eyes. KG will never have the blocks tim does. Tim will never have the assists and steals KG does. Its like Marion and Tim. Technically they play the same position but trying to compare then they are barely playing the same sport.

[Spursdaone]

SPURSDAONE:

Challange for you.

List 10 reasons you love the Spurs (your "favorite" team) that does not contradict anythign you've posted on this forum.
you have 1 hr.


begin.
Why should I list any reasons? Why don't you have a list?

[Extra Stout]

All Utah needed was a 3rd option or a second option because Malone was the only guy who could score big on that team. Jeff Malone? He is no great player.You didn't watch the 1997 or 1998 Finals, or if you did, you didn't know anything about what you were watching. In clutch situations, when the game was on the line, when the Jazz needed Karl Malone to score, his favorite thing to do was take low-percentage fadeaway jumpers instead of taking it to the rack strong.

That has nothing to do with his supporting cast.

[Banks91]

i have absolutely no doubt Duncan on the wolves would equal a championship team

[Banks91]

hey extra stout, y u ridin on malones fade away game, thats been his game most of his career, u expect him to change that in clutch time???

[sickdsm]

[QUOTE=whottt]KG stopped being able to use the teamates excuse last year...

I mean fuck...he had 3 guys that either were or had been All Stars not too long ago on his team last season...

I mean geez...I could win a fucking title if I had 4 All Stars surrounding me...

Who does he need, Shaq? .....................


KG has had the teamates to win big with even if not to win a title...he's never done it except one time, when he had 3 AS caliber players on his team...



OK, put Chris Webber in place of duncan

Do you even win ONE?

Maybe BEFORE he had the injury. So hush up about AS and recognise that wally isn't the same after blowing out his knee. Glen Rice was an all star too at one point i believe. WOuldn't mean much at the end of a career.

[Spursdaone]

i have absolutely no doubt Duncan on the wolves would equal a championship team
:lmao Man you are a big time homer. :lol :drunk

[Banks91]

explain homer to me

[sickdsm]

Didn't he come off the bench in one of those games?

Had Kirk Gibson's hit in the world series went off the wall and still got thrown out at first bc he was gimpy, would Oakland fans be saying

Yeah well, you had Kirk playing in that game and we still beat you.

Sam cassell got hurt in the Sac series. Wasn't THAT bad but reaggravated it worse when Brad Miller bascally sat on him.

[Spursdaone]

Homer is a fan who overrates their players because they are a big fan of that team. Miami fans think Shaq is the best. Suns fans think Nash is the best. That is homer.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Why should I list any reasons? Why don't you have a list?

Because you a big fat ass liar. You are not a Spurs fan. You say you are but noone here believes you. Prove it. Can you?
Can you list anyreasons you actually like this team without stepping all over the shit you spew about them??

If legitimate membvers of this forum asked for my list I would gladly post it.


now get going , you have 48min. left.

[ambchang]

All Utah needed was a 3rd option or a second option because Malone was the only guy who could score big on that team. Jeff Malone? He is no great player.
Stockton averaged 15ppg consistently over his career, shooting well over 50% for a guard. That is way more than a second option. Hornacek averaged around 15ppg during his days in Utah, more than a 3rd option.
Jeff Malone averaged around 18 ppg during his Utah days, more than a 2nd or a 3rd option. And since when have I said Jeff Malone is a great player?
And don't pull that David Robinson was a great player thing. He was great, but when Duncan came, he was just good, and no where close to Stockton was at his prime (when Malone was also at his prime).

Compare those to Duncan's other options during the championship years
99 - Robinson 15.8, Elliott 11.2
03 - Robinson 8.5, Parker - 9.2
05 - Parker - 16.6, Manu 16.1

I know what you are trying to do. Get a good laugh out of getting attention from saying stupid things (basically laugh at people getting angry over your own ignorance), aka trolling. But a true troll picks his battles, you say things that are defendable, things that can follow a certain path of logic and can actually be backed up with stats and such, the so-called exceptions to the rules. Good trolling isn't to come up with incorrect statements and making an ass out of yourself. I hope this lesson has been enlightening to you.

[sickdsm]

Duncan played the entire post-season on two bad ankles and carried the Spurs to a title. Even he, who rarely admits any injury, said they would get pretty sore by the fourth quater. Soft my ass.


If duncan played with two bad ankles, then KG's knee was busted the whole year.

Thats how much worse KG's injury was than Tims.

This is a guy who relies on his leaping too.

[Banks91]

looooool. ur a joker , cuz then ur the biggest homer on here. OTher then last season, name any other time u could truthfully say Wolves were a championship quality team.
every season duncans been in the league u couldve made that argument of the spurs

[Banks91]

hey sick, of KG was busted up, how come he missed no games becuz of that knee, ye we was reaaaaaaaaaaaaally hurt

[ambchang]

Homer is a fan who overrates their players because they are a big fan of that team. Miami fans think Shaq is the best. Suns fans think Nash is the best. That is homer.
what about wolves fans think KG is the best?

[Banks91]

Duncan has missed about 16 games due to ankle problems , i could probably count one hand the amount of time KG missed cuz of his "knee"

[Spursdaone]

Malone by the way averaged over 30 points in one year. If Malone had the great defensive players surrounding him like Duncan. Stockton is like Nash on defense and the rest of the team is just average except Eaton. Duncan has all great defenders around him which sets up his game perfectly.

[spvrs]

wheewww... thank you TDFan2007 for finally ending this debate.

Now if anyone, professional annoucer, GM, coach or otherwise we can point here for the definative answer.

[sickdsm]

^^^^

Same fans that mocked chris webber for sucking right after he got back on the court after his major surgury. Ignoring that he's not playing at full strength.

So let me guess. If shaq hadn't missed a game and still was a shell of his former self, would retards like you chide heat fans that the pistons whooped dat ass even with a healthy shaq?

[Banks91]

who u talkin about???

[ambchang]

Malone by the way averaged over 30 points in one year.

He scored THAT many points and still didn't get anything out of it? What a loser. And your lover boy McGrady (aka iMac, aka McGreedy) averaged 32.1 ppg too, that must make him the better player.
Damn, know what? Magic only averaged 19.5 ppg in his career! I guess you can say that he is not as good as, say, Mitch Richmond, who averaged 21.0 ppg in his career.



If Malone had the great defensive players surrounding him like Duncan. Stockton is like Nash on defense and the rest of the team is just average except Eaton.

You mean the all-time leader in steals in NBA history is a bad defender? So how did he get those 5 All-NBA second team defensive team thingys?



Duncan has all great defenders around him which sets up his game perfectly.

and it is nice of you to acknowledge how Duncan makes his teammates better.

Please tell me more about how Duncan got these awesome scoring teammates during his championship runs, please go on, please list them. And don't forget to list Duncan the choker's choking momemts. Given that he is such a choker, I would expect 8 choking moments he had in his 8 year career. Once a year is all I ask.

[Banks91]

ambchang, thats how u shut up a fuckin retard

[Spursdaone]

He would've choked away this title if it weren't for Horry. He was choking so badly in game 5 and did some in game 6 also. Bowen, Ginobili, and Horry saved the day. What great teammates.

[Spursdaone]

Stockton is way overrated as a defender. Steals doesn't make you a lock down defender. The nba makes mistakes by using defensive stats as great defenders without looking at the games. There was no Bruce Bowen on the jazz.

[ambchang]

ambchang, thats how u shut up a fuckin retard
Nah, he is not going to shut up, that's what trolls do. But I do enjoy exposing his foolishness, just want to see how he digs himself out of the hole (could be a she, but I am assuming here, or as he would spell it, hear).

[Banks91]

even if the jazz had bruce bowen they wouldve lost to the bulls back to back, cuz if uve noticed, bruce does not shut down the offensive power houses.

check out this years play offs
Melo is not offensive power house, neither is Allen or Hamilton, nor is Marion

To see how he wouldve done against jordan, u must see how he did against the kobe's, mcgrady's and iverson

if uve noticed, he doesnt shut them down at all, so he wouldnt have done it to jordan either

[Spursdaone]

even if the jazz had bruce bowen they wouldve lost to the bulls back to back, cuz if uve noticed, bruce does not shut down the offensive power houses.

check out this years play offs
Melo is not offensive power house, neither is Allen or Hamilton, nor is Marion

To see how he wouldve done against jordan, u must see how he did against the kobe's, mcgrady's and iverson

if uve noticed, he doesnt shut them down at all, so he wouldnt have done it to jordan either
You just put down Bowen. I thought he was so untradeable. Utah would not have to waste alot of energy on one of their scorers against Jordan. No one on Utah could guard Jordan because they don't have an sg/sf stopper. This was a big flaw in Utah.

[ambchang]

He would've choked away this title if it weren't for Horry. He was choking so badly in game 5 and did some in game 6 also. Bowen, Ginobili, and Horry saved the day. What great teammates.

Yeah, he choked BIG time with 26 and 16, keeping his team in contention in Game 5.
And Game 6, he choked his way to 8-14 shooting, 21 pts and 15 rebounds. Man, thanks for reminding me how great Tim Duncan really his, his choking games are average/above average games for all time great forwards like Karl Malone of KG.
And I will also teach you how to count. 8 = eight. As in != 2. To state it in another manner, 2 is not 8. And the 2 you gave aren't even choke jobs (as proven above). And just to be clear, zero doesn't equal to eight either.
I asked for EIGHT choke jobs, you gave me two.

[Banks91]

u dumb fuck i didnt put down bowen at all, im simply statin to u to stop makin team mate excuses for malone, cuz ur makin it sound like Duncans team mates do everything

simply put, those jazz teams were destined to lose , simple as that. and since when is it a shame to not be able to stop jordan, i have yet to find one person that did, so bowen has nothing to be shamed about

[Spursdaone]

I don't spend my life counting all his choke jobs but I know he had plenty in the lakers series last year. Malone and Duncan choke and that is that.

[picnroll]

Arguing with these clowns is pointless. There are fools that think KG is in Duncan's class just like there are fools that think Kobe is in Jordans' class. That debate was settled long ago for both.

[ambchang]

Stockton is way overrated as a defender. Steals doesn't make you a lock down defender. The nba makes mistakes by using defensive stats as great defenders without looking at the games. There was no Bruce Bowen on the jazz.

I love this, I just love this.
NBA makes mistakes by using defensive stats as great defenders, so how in the world did Bowen, who is a great defender (admitted by you), but with no great stats, get on the all-defensive FIRST team?

[Sportcamper]

Duncan...2 Rings
Slava...2 Rings
Garnett...0 Rings
Enough Said... :smokin

[Banks91]

either way im done with this dumb thread, its stupid, the kg , malone arguments are dumb as hell, so no more for me, im goin check out other threads

latez

[ambchang]

I don't spend my life counting all his choke jobs but I know he had plenty in the lakers series last year. Malone and Duncan choke and that is that.
Very vague, very vague indeed.
Putting up a near triple double (19/10/8) and a 21/21 game in 6 games is definitely not choking.
And if you can't even list his choke jobs, how could you say he choked?

[ambchang]

either way im done with this dumb thread, its stupid, the kg , malone arguments are dumb as hell, so no more for me, im goin check out other threads

latez

Man, come on, this is as dumb as it could get, and that's why it's fun. It's a surprise every turn. What out-of-his-ass arguments are he going to come up next? It's better than those batman tv series in the 60's. When you least expect it, "KAPOW", here comes another stupid argument.

[Banks91]

if u had to bet ur life on one of the followin , which would u choose

1. Duncan has a better chance(or will) at gettin his 6th ring before Garnet gets 1
2. or Garnett gets his first ring before Duncan gets his 6th(if he can get to 6)

[Banks91]

..

[Banks91]

.

[TDfan2007]

hmmm.... I don't think I did my job on this one. I sure as hell didn't end this debate. :lol

[tim_duncan_fan]

Hey Spursdaone- If Garnett was so great he would have been able to get past the first round more than once in his 10 YEAR CAREER. Barring any major injuries the greatest players almost ALWAYS had their teams deep in the playoffs. However skilled players dont always make the playoffs. KG is skilled but he is not one of the greatest. He's in the class with Vince Carter and T-Mac not Malone Duncan and the Chuckster.

The TRUTH HURTS

Ps. If you are so high on KG why are you on a Spurs message board?

Is it because they're the champs?

[Spursdaone]

Hey Spursdaone- If Garnett was so great he would have been able to get past the first round more than once in his 10 YEAR CAREER. Barring any major injuries the greatest players almost ALWAYS had their teams deep in the playoffs. However skilled players dont always make the playoffs. KG is skilled but he is not one of the greatest. He's in the class with Vince Carter and T-Mac not Malone Duncan and the Chuckster.

The TRUTH HURTS

Ps. If you are so high on KG why are you on a Spurs message board?

Is it because they're the champs?
I don't like Garnett but I respect what he has accomplished individually with a sorry ass team. Duncan would have the same problems with that team. Wally can't play D to save his life. Sprewell is a chucker who shoots a low percentage. Hudson same as Sprewell. Olawakandi is a sorry ass center who is worse than Rasho Nesterovic. I can't believe you compared Garnett to Carter who doesn't try and quits on his team. That is bs and you know it.

[ambchang]

I don't like Garnett but I respect what he has accomplished individually with a sorry ass team. Duncan would have the same problems with that team. Wally can't play D to save his life. Sprewell is a chucker who shoots a low percentage. Hudson same as Sprewell. Olawakandi is a sorry ass center who is worse than Rasho Nesterovic. I can't believe you compared Garnett to Carter who doesn't try and quits on his team. That is bs and you know it.

Yeah, with all those all-star teams. But don't end the conversation like this tell me more about how the NBA overrates the defenders with stats when Bowen made the first defensive team. Tell me how Malone have bad teammates, come on, I need some jokes.

[TOP-CHERRY]

I don't like Garnett but I respect what he has accomplished individually with a sorry ass team. Duncan would have the same problems with that team. Wally can't play D to save his life. Sprewell is a chucker who shoots a low percentage. Hudson same as Sprewell. Olawakandi is a sorry ass center who is worse than Rasho Nesterovic. I can't believe you compared Garnett to Carter who doesn't try and quits on his team. That is bs and you know it.
What's BS is you pretending to be a Spurs fan, when you're actually a troll T-Pup fan.

[Spursdaone]

Yeah, with all those all-star teams. But don't end the conversation like this tell me more about how the NBA overrates the defenders with stats when Bowen made the first defensive team. Tell me how Malone have bad teammates, come on, I need some jokes.
Malone never had a defensive stopper like Duncan has had. I know Bowen is a great defender and I never said anytime he wasn't. Ginobili is a better defender than Byron Russell and on and on. Malone would love to have a team that is great defensively to go with his unstoppable offense.

[ambchang]

Malone never had a defensive stopper like Duncan has had. I know Bowen is a great defender and I never said anytime he wasn't. Ginobili is a better defender than Byron Russell and on and on. Malone would love to have a team that is great defensively to go with his unstoppable offense.
It has to be defensive stoppers now? But you were talking about the quality of players! Why strictly talk about defense? Bowen wasn't even drafted, and was cut by teams before making a living with the Heat. If he was a teammate with better qualities to win than Stockton, shouldn't he be a HoF condidate?
And the Jazz were a very good defensive team, maybe not great, but it was a team with All-Defensive second teamer and all-time steals leader John Stockton, as well as blocked-shots specialist Mark Eaton Perhaps if Malone, as the superstar, can actually play as the defensive anchor like Duncan did (after Robinson retired/got old) and made the Jazz one of the best defensive teams of all-time like what Duncan did to the Spurs.

[Spursdaone]

Duncan had both defensive specialist and a borderline superstar in Ginobili and they all played good defense. Why don't you get it that Duncan has a team that is fit perfectly around him with defense, efficiency on offense, and great passing. Malone only wished to have all 3 of these.

[ambchang]

Duncan had both defensive specialist and a borderline superstar in Ginobili and they all played good defense. Why don't you get it that Duncan has a team that is fit perfectly around him with defense, efficiency on offense, and great passing. Malone only wished to have all 3 of these.

Neither does Duncan has a HoF point guard and strong shooting guards (in 99 and 03) and he STILL won championships. Point is, Duncan won with teams that have weaknesses in all his teams (99,03 - PG, SG), Malone can't.

[Spursdaone]

Neither does Duncan has a HoF point guard and strong shooting guards (in 99 and 03) and he STILL won championships. Point is, Duncan won with teams that have weaknesses in all his teams (99,03 - PG, SG), Malone can't.
Duncan's teams had very small weaknesses but Malone had weaknesses in 2 positions. Small Forward and Center.

[TheTruth]

I think the biggest weakness Malone's Jazz teams had was Malones play in big games.

[Spursdaone]

Remember Malone had to go against the great Jordan teams along with Olajuwon in his prime. It was tough for anyone to win championships in that 8 year period.

[tophy7]

Duncan's teams had very small weaknesses but Malone had weaknesses in 2 positions. Small Forward and Center.

Eaton is 2nd all time in block shots and he was a weakness?

[Spursdaone]

so was Shawn Bradley a great shot blocker. That doesn't make them good.

[tophy7]

I wouldn't call bradley a great shotblocker, he's probably been dunked on more times than he's blocked shots

[Spursdaone]

Shawn Bradley is a top ten all time in shot blocking and Mark Eaton is a stiff to.
You are overrating these tall guys who can block shots and that is about it.

[tophy7]

Mark Eaton had a 4 year stretch where he averaged 4.3, 5.6, 4.3 and 4.1. You said the center position was the weakness well Spurs won the title with Nazr as their starting center.

[Spursdaone]

I am a big fan of Nazr. They had Ginobili, Parker, and Duncan as their top 3 options. Bowen can hit the 3 pointer also so why go to Nazr with that great group there.

[TheTruth]

Malone had Jeff Hornacek, John Stockton, and Byron Russell..That sounds like a pretty good supporting cast. Why would the Jazz go to their Ctr w/ all those options?

[TheTruth]

And did the CTR position for the Jazz really mean that much going against Bill Wennington and Luc Longley? I bet if you looked at the Jazz ctr's numbers compared to the Bull's ctrs it would be a wash.

[Spursdaone]

That was late in Malone's career which he wasn't quite as good then and I would pick Duncan over Malone after 95. The bulls were in the way with the greatest player of all time in Jordan.

[tophy7]

If Jordan was responsible for Malone being ringless how about in 94 and 95?

[Spursdaone]

Malone didn't have Hornacek at that time and Ostertag was a sorry center

[tophy7]

94 Utah Jazz :lol liar
How did Malone not make the finals with this team

Name G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+--------------------+---+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
Karl Malone 82 40.6 9.4 18.9 0.1 0.4 6.2 9.0 2.9 8.6 11.5 4.0 1.5 1.5 2.9 3.3 25.2
Jeff Malone 50 33.1 6.8 13.8 0.1 0.1 2.6 3.1 0.6 1.7 2.3 1.3 0.5 0.1 1.1 1.5 16.2
John Stockton 82 36.2 5.6 10.6 0.6 1.8 3.3 4.1 0.9 2.3 3.1 12.6 2.4 0.3 3.2 2.9 15.1
Jeff Hornacek 27 30.6 5.4 10.7 0.7 1.6 3.0 3.4 0.7 1.8 2.5 3.9 1.2 0.1 1.2 2.6 14.6
Tom Chambers 80 23.0 4.1 9.4 0.2 0.6 2.8 3.5 1.1 3.0 4.1 1.0 0.5 0.4 1.1 2.9 11.2
Felton Spencer 79 28.0 3.2 6.4 0.0 0.0 2.1 3.4 3.0 5.4 8.3 0.5 0.5 0.8 1.6 3.8 8.6
Tyrone Corbin 82 26.2 3.3 7.2 0.1 0.4 1.4 1.8 1.8 2.9 4.7 1.5 1.2 0.3 1.1 2.6 8.0
Jay Humphries 75 21.6 3.1 7.1 0.5 1.3 0.8 1.0 0.5 1.2 1.7 2.9 0.9 0.1 1.3 2.2 7.5
David Benoit 55 19.5 2.5 6.6 0.2 1.1 1.2 1.6 1.6 3.1 4.7 0.4 0.4 0.7 0.7 2.1 6.5
Bryon Russell 67 16.7 2.0 4.2 0.0 0.3 0.9 1.5 0.9 1.8 2.7 0.8 1.0 0.3 0.8 2.1 5.0
Stephen Howard 9 5.9 1.1 1.9 0.0 0.0 1.2 1.8 1.1 0.7 1.8 0.1 0.1 0.3 0.7 1.4 3.4
Walter Bond 56 10.0 1.1 2.8 0.3 1.0 0.6 0.7 0.4 0.7 1.1 0.6 0.3 0.2 0.3 1.6 3.1
Chad Gallagher 2 1.5 1.5 1.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 3.0
John Crotty 45 7.0 1.0 2.2 0.2 0.5 0.7 0.8 0.2 0.4 0.7 1.7 0.3 0.0 0.6 0.8 2.9
Darren Morningstar 1 4.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 2.0
Luther Wright 15 6.1 0.5 1.5 0.0 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.3 0.7 0.0 0.1 0.1 0.4 1.4 1.3
Dave Jamerson 1 4.0 0.0 2.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0
Aaron Williams 6 2.0 0.3 1.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.2 0.3 0.5 0.2 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.7 0.7
Sean Green 1 2.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
+--------------------+---+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----

[Spursdaone]

Ok. You got me there but remember the great Olajuwon who embarrased David Robinson that year and any team in the west including the Phoenix Suns who you thought I liked. I would have to watch those games because the untangibles like unselfishness and defense matter.

[Spursdaone]

I love the name of this thread :lol

[TheTruth]

well, we have been done debating duncan > kg for a while now. Somehow this has turned into a Karl Malone debate. Gotta love these forums.

[Spursdaone]

classic thread.

[strangeweather]

Well if you don't have the talent and the right coach you can't win championships and Garnett was close last year

Yeah, and Mark Madsen is actually the best player around. Look at all the titles he won with the right people in place around him. :angel

[Kori Ellis]

The funniest thing is the title of this thread.

You were starting the debate (as indicated by the 9 page thread), not ending it.

[BigDaddyMatty]

This forum has had quite a few debates. I think they are arguing the pros and cons of The death penalty right now.

[Spursdaone]

Mark Eaton had a 4 year stretch where he averaged 4.3, 5.6, 4.3 and 4.1. You said the center position was the weakness well Spurs won the title with Nazr as their starting center.
Those look like Shawn Bradley's numbers :lol He is a stiff and that didn't help Malone's teams.

[ambchang]

Those look like Shawn Bradley's numbers :lol He is a stiff and that didn't help Malone's teams.
Tell me more about Malone's teammates, like how they don't have a 2nd and 3rd scoring option. Please tell me more. Or how Malone doesn't have teammates who plays defense.
You ability to focus on Malone's crappy teammates and their weaknesses, while only focusing on Duncan's teammates' strengths have been exposed. I can just as easily say how Bowen sucked on offense, how Parker doesn't have a consistent jumpshot, how Avery Johnson doesn't even have a shot, how Robinson has a bad back, how Sean Elliott has a bad kidney, how Nesterovic and Mohammed doesn't have ANY offense, how Ginobili commit turnovers, etc .... every player has faults.

[Spursdaone]

Malone has decent teammates but compared to what Duncan has is a joke. Ginobili>Hornacek. Parker<Stockton. Mohammad>Ostertag or Eaton. Bowen>Russell. Get my point.

[dn0]

Sickdsm,
Almost 10 years in the NBA and the best KG has done for the wolves is losing in the Western Conference Finals last year.
This season, in KG's prime, the wolves couldn't even make it to the playoffs.
The teammate excuse, the played all year injured excuse, what's next year's excuse?
What else do you have to justify one of the most dissapointing careers in NBA history?

Tim Duncan is a living NBA legend and history only remember winners.

[Spursdaone]

San Antonio should trade Duncan for Garnett. They would be a dynasty than.

[dn0]

San Antonio should trade Duncan for Garnett. They would be a dynasty than.
Right, just what RC Bufford had in mind, destroy a championship team chemistry. :rolleyes

[Spursdaone]

Garnett would fit perfectly in San Antonio because Mohammad can guard the stronger power forwards which is the only weakness Garnett has. He would improve the rebounding. Championship dynasty here we come.

[tophy7]

Yeah that's true, but wait a minute? Spurs have won 2 out of 3 and are in a dynasty in the making already :lol

[Spursdaone]

If they win next year I would consider them possibly being a dynasty but not yet.

[tophy7]

Yeah and without KG playing, funny isn't it?

[Spursdaone]

San Antonio might even win a championship with Dirk instead of Duncan. They have that much talent.

[mavsfan1000]

Even though I'm a mavs fan I realize how good Duncan is and saying San Antonio would win it with Dirk is just plain stupid.

[atlfan25]

San Antonio might even win a championship with Dirk instead of Duncan. They have that much talent.
:lmao