Black Monday thread

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Coaching firings so far-

Andy Reid
Romeo Crennel
Pat Shurmur
Chan Gailey
Lovie Smith
Norv Turner

[JMarkJohns]

Lovie Smith surprised me.

[weebo]

Only Lovie Smith and Andy Reid deserve another shot at being a HC. The rest are just garbage.

[Clipper Nation]

I'm surprised Spanos finally grew a pair and fired the Two Stooges regardless of the late-season fluke wins.....

[JoeTait75]

Heckert is out as GM in Cleveland, too.

Shurmur had no business being an NFL HC. Pure nepotism hire by Holmgren.

Heckert deserves to be fired for not landing RGIII.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Even though it's not like they were in great shape before, Holmgren set the Browns' franchise back another 5 years the way he mismanaged them. The worst part is he knew he was mismanaging them but was too fat and lazy to give a shit.

[benefactor]

Should be interesting to see where Smith and Reid land. Both should have jobs sooner than later.

[JMarkJohns]

Go fuck yourselves, Graves and Whisenhunt!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Wow, I figured if Whisenhunt was getting fired it would take a few days so Bidwill could tell everyone how "methodical" the process is.

Idk much about the guy they're supposedly promoting to GM but there's no way he is as bad at talent evaluation as Graves was. Their first priority needs to be keeping Ray Horton even if it means promoting him to head coach and letting him conduct the search for a new DC. Losing him throws the defense into limbo. If he gets promoted to head coach then it means they need to pay top dollar for an OC (highly unlikely given Bidwill's stingy history with assistants). Say what you want about Norv Turner as a head coach but I'd welcome him as OC.

[djohn2oo8]

I really hope Kubiak is on this list next year

[JMarkJohns]

I'd prefer to raid the Texans offensive staff for an OC, or bring back Haley since his system minimized QB hits rather significantly. They need more emphasis on rushing, screens, and short passing until a o-line and QB are in place to expand. They need to pay top dollar for a good QB coach.

They need to keep Horton and give him control over his defensive staff, and heavy input into personnel.

[djohn2oo8]

I'd prefer to raid the Texans offensive staff for an OC, or bring back Haley since his system minimized QB hits rather significantly. They need more emphasis on rushing, screens, and short passing until a o-line and QB are in place to expand. They need to pay top dollar for a good QB coach.

They need to keep Horton and give him control over his defensive staff, and heavy input into personnel.

Dear gawd based gawd, do it! You can take Kubiak AND Schaub.

[JMarkJohns]

Deal. You can have Kolb.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The axis of evil is almost gone! Gailey's out and Fitz's release will save 7-10 mil against the cap. Once Ralph Wilson finally dies then brighter days will be ahead

[Clipper Nation]

Say what you want about Norv Turner as a head coach but I'd welcome him as OC.

I don't think Norv would even be a good OC anymore, tbh... the game seems to have passed him by, considering he still thinks seven-step drops, always running up the middle on first and second down, and plays that take forever to develop are winning strategies in today's fast, no-huddle, pass-first NFL...

[Trill Clinton]

welp, garrett still has his job :depressed

[weebo]

Deal. You can have Kolb.

Keep Kolb and we'll throw in special teams coach Joe Marciano.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Keep Kolb and we'll throw in special teams coach Joe Marciano.

The Cardinals' special teams coach is one of the few coaches they have who's an asset to the team :lol

[Pelicans78]

Wow, I figured if Whisenhunt was getting fired it would take a few days so Bidwill could tell everyone how "methodical" the process is.

Idk much about the guy they're supposedly promoting to GM but there's no way he is as bad at talent evaluation as Graves was. Their first priority needs to be keeping Ray Horton even if it means promoting him to head coach and letting him conduct the search for a new DC. Losing him throws the defense into limbo. If he gets promoted to head coach then it means they need to pay top dollar for an OC (highly unlikely given Bidwill's stingy history with assistants). Say what you want about Norv Turner as a head coach but I'd welcome him as OC.

You think a healthy Kolb is the answer? I would draft a QB anyway, but I wonder if Kolb could be the glue guy.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You think a healthy Kolb is the answer? I would draft a QB anyway, but I wonder if Kolb could be the glue guy.

The bonus they owe to Kolb if they don't cut him is simply too big to be giving to someone with as much uncertainty as Kolb. He's a goner.

[Lincoln]

No self respecting coach would ever want to go to Cleveland. Why go there and have a shit roster only to get canned after 2/3 seasons and have a huge stain on your coaching resume?

[Pelicans78]

The bonus they owe to Kolb if they don't cut him is simply too big to be giving to someone with as much uncertainty as Kolb. He's a goner.

That's a good point.

[JoeTait75]

No self respecting coach would ever want to go to Cleveland. Why go there and have a shit roster only to get canned after 2/3 seasons and have a huge stain on your coaching resume?

Chris Palmer, Butch Davis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Pat Shurmur. Those are the non-interim HC that the Browns have had since 1999.

Which one of those guys deserved more rope than they got, other than MAYBE Mangini? Shurmur should never have been an NFL HC in the first place.

Besides, Randy Lerner was the single biggest obstacle to success for this organization, and he's gone.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There are still 32 NFL coaching jobs in the entire world that exist. No matter how much of a disaster any given NFL team becomes, it'll always be able to draw the interest of respected and good coaches because it's still 1 of only 32 jobs that exist.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Buffalo Bills have already set up interviews with Ray Horton (:tu), Lovie Smith, and Doug Marrone (Syracuse HC). Word is that Koetter, Reid, and others will get a look as well.

[Clipper Nation]

Chargers are looking at Tom Gamble, Marc Ross, Steve Keim, and Jimmy Raye III for GM.... as for head coach, Ray Horton, Bill O'Brien, Bruce Arians, and Ken Whisenhunt have been mentioned as possibilities, wouldn't be surprised if Mike Zimmer and Vic Fangio get a look....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Whoever hires Chip Kelly will be making a HUGE mistake. Bill O'Brien might actually succeed in the NFL.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If the Cardinals' lose Keim to another team that'll be funny as hell. They should have fired Whiz and Graves a year ago and promoted Keim before multiple other teams were interested.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Whoever hires Chip Kelly will be making a HUGE mistake. Bill O'Brien might actually succeed in the NFL.

I agree with O'Brien. All of his talent abandoned the program and he still managed 8-4 (albeit in the big 10). Still, overachieving with an untalented roster is a direct reflection on the coach.

[JMarkJohns]

Whoever hires Chip Kelly will be making a HUGE mistake.

Carolina is a great fit. Might not equal success, but Newton will own statistically. After that, you're correct. His system is far too gimmicky, and while versatile, the idea of fast is undercut by the entire NFL being fast.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I also have my doubts about whether or not Kelly wants any part of the NFL (could be very wrong). He has the best facilities and resources available at Oregon, is viewed as a good by the school, and plays in a BCS bowl every year. He's also smart enough to know he'd have to reinvent his system since it wouldn't work in the NFL. Unless it's a huge pay raise I don't see why he'd leave a program that's gonna be preseason ranked top 3 next year for a rebuilding project in the NFL.

[JohnnyMax]

Im surprised no one mentioned two of the coaches fired are black: Lovie Smith and Romeo Crennel

[JMarkJohns]

Twitter has blown up that Reid will be named Cardinals coach.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Twitter has blown up that Reid will be named Cardinals coach. Hope this is true...not interested in him, Koetter, or Lovie Smith as Bills coach.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Cardinals fans...Bills being linked to whisenhunt. What are his goos and bad qualities.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I would take Turner as OC and Crennel as DC though...I could live with Lovie being HC at that point:lol

[JMarkJohns]

Cardinals fans...Bills being linked to whisenhunt. What are his goos and bad qualities.

I have yet to see a good quality in Whisenhunt. I've seen every game but maybe a few and I'm constantly questioning play calling, player development, his personnel emphasis, his offensive acumen, and his ability to bring inequality offensive staff members. His early round offensive selections have sucked, he's failed to develop a QB in 7 years, he completely ignored the offensive line, and has never developed a consistent rushing attack, even when the offense thrived with Warner.

There's less developed offensive talent now than when he took over, and he inherited a young roster, and now it's just old.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but he was abysmal. Warner and Horton propped his ass up.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Cardinals fans...Bills being linked to whisenhunt.
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/2209633_o.gif

[benefactor]

I also have my doubts about whether or not Kelly wants any part of the NFL (could be very wrong). He has the best facilities and resources available at Oregon, is viewed as a good by the school, and plays in a BCS bowl every year. He's also smart enough to know he'd have to reinvent his system since it wouldn't work in the NFL. Unless it's a huge pay raise I don't see why he'd leave a program that's gonna be preseason ranked top 3 next year for a rebuilding project in the NFL.
Krzyzewski Theory tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If it's true the Cardinals are hiring Reid and that Heckert guy the Browns fired, :lmao:lmao:lmao how bad this team is gonna be. Andy Reid was one of the worst case scenarios. Gonna be Denny Green all over again.

[JMarkJohns]

It's a typical Cardinal move--safe name, status quo.

Whisenhunt was a departure from this. Shame he seems to have jaded them from doing it again when the obvious hire is already on staff. Horton is an unknown as head coach, but the known of him flipping one of the worst defenses in the NFL into one of the best in just two seasons should make him the no-brainer hire since he already has the respect of the top-5 defense.

[Blizzardwizard]

We've had some interesting GM names mentioned. Spanos said he has already contacted teams in the playoffs. All this to me points to Mike Zimmer. He did not deny the appointment of someone experienced such as Gruden or Cowher too. Norv is a good man, and will make a good (not great) but good OC somewhere. Nice guys finish last, as has been shown with Norv.
Goodbye, Norval, it was fun (not really) :toast

[JoeTait75]

If it's true the Cardinals are hiring Reid and that Heckert guy the Browns fired, :lmao:lmao:lmao how bad this team is gonna be. Andy Reid was one of the worst case scenarios. Gonna be Denny Green all over again.

If you talk to Browns fans you'd think Heckert was the greatest GM in NFL history.

[JMarkJohns]

Horton getting a second interview today while Reid is interviewing with KC.

Some NFL Network guy said the ReidToArizona talk came from Reid's camp in a power ploy to gain expedited leverage, a tactic Reid's former boss Holmgren employed with Seattle.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Hopefully that pisses the Cardinals off and they lose any interest in Reid. I don't want them to hire someone who sympathizes with dog killers and heroin addicts.

[BUMP]

Hopefully that pisses the Cardinals off and they lose any interest in Reid. I don't want them to hire someone who sympathizes with dog killers and heroin addicts.

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[JMarkJohns]

Words cannot express how pissed I'll be when/if Horton leaves and becomes one of the better defensive-minded head coaches elsewhere while the top-5 defense he built in AZ goes south as fucktards like Reid hire offensive guys to coach defensive players/schemes.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm not sure why teams are so interested in Reid. No one underachieved with more talent the past 2 years as much as Reid has. Reid w/o McNabb isn't any better than Whisenhunt w/o Warner.

[JMarkJohns]

Agreed. He had a pro-bowl caliber RB and a fragile QB and ran between 33-40% of the time, exposing his QB to injury and diminishing efficiency of the offense.

[JoeTait75]

The entire Holmgren tree just needs flushed. They're lazy, they don't adapt- they're dinosaurs.

[JMarkJohns]

Twitter now blowing up that Reid has agreed in principle with KC. Please, please, please, please...

[Bill_Brasky]

Reid just needs to stop.

[djohn2oo8]

Dave ‏@eaglesdiehard Andy Reid is going to be very disappointed when he finds out he's running KC not KFC like he thought.

SaveOurChiefs ‏@SaveOurChiefs
Per @KCTV5 (http://www.spurstalk.com/KCTV5) Clark Hunt is reportedly prepared to name Andy Reid as the new head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs: http://www.kctv5.com/story/20485208/hunt-interviewing-andy-reid-for-vacant-chiefs-head-coaching-position … (http://t.co/Hj75EXhY)

[JMarkJohns]

Reid to Chiefs. Thank you, Pioli!

One step closer to my ideal of Horton HC, Todd Haley OC, and some legit linebacker coach as DC.

[JMarkJohns]

Bills go with Marrone from Syracuse. Anything is better than Whisenhunt.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I love it...not a re-tread HC. Now I wouldn't mind if we draft Hopkins or Teo in the first round, and Nassib in the 2nd:D

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm actually getting my hopes up already for the new season. New HC, Owner, QB, and starting RB. Marrone is a good offensive mind (former OC), and since he was a former OL coach as well hopefully he can convince the brass to hold onto Levitre. QB Ryan Nassib (from Syracuse) should be there for the taking in the 2nd or 3rd round--Bills should draft him, immediately make him the starter, and give him 2 years to show his worth.

[Pelicans78]

I'm actually getting my hopes up already for the new season. New HC, Owner, QB, and starting RB. Marrone is a good offensive mind (former OC), and since he was a former OL coach as well hopefully he can convince the brass to hold onto Levitre. QB Ryan Nassib (from Syracuse) should be there for the taking in the 2nd or 3rd round--Bills should draft him, immediately make him the starter, and give him 2 years to show his worth.Even though Marrone was an offensive coordinator for the Saints, he never called the plays. Payton did. Now, I'm impressed with the job he did at Syracuse. He was solid. I think it's a solid hire. I agree with drafting Nassib too. I like Marrone and I think he will be at least a solid coach.