Why does christianity dictate that repent and sins are gone?

[Blake]

Dude, you are heavily brainwashed and stupid. Just drop it before you look like even more of an ass.

I'd tell you to drop it before you look even more retarded, but you're not the type to listen to reason and common sense.

So just do what you do and we'll continue to laugh at your stupidity.

[spursncowboys]

Christians attack gays and abortion.

I want Christians to prove Christianity or get the fuck out of politics.
The idea of abortion? I know alot of christians and never knew one who attacked gays, or abortion clinics.

[Blake]

The idea of abortion? I know alot of christians and never knew one who attacked gays, or abortion clinics.


You have no idea what you are talking about.. Look if you honestly want to know about christianity, look into it and not just segments that might help your arguments.

[silverblk mystix]

I'd tell you to drop it before you look even more retarded, but you're not the type to listen to reason and common sense.

So just do what you do and we'll continue to laugh at your stupidity.

Of all the brainwashed idiots in here - you are one of the most brainwashed and blind of all.
Someday you might see...but I really doubt it.

[2centsworth]

You mean like thou shall not murder
or not steal?

[ElNono]

Someday you might see...

This gotta be the biggest copout of all. Has anyone ever 'seen'? If they did, why are we having this discussion?

[ElNono]

John Hagee =/= churches receiving tithes.

How about the (former) Pope?

http://i48.tinypic.com/2l8c9dd.jpg

How is he going to put together his next solid gold crozier if you don't tithe?

[silverblk mystix]

This gotta be the biggest copout of all. Has anyone ever 'seen'? If they did, why are we having this discussion?


Outstanding point!!!!!

This is what I am trying to tell people who are bashing others for their views. It is like two blind men arguing over what the color GREEN looks like---neither has ever seen so wtf are they fighting about.

My first post in this thread was correct and true and accurate.

Great point.

[spursncowboys]

How about the (former) Pope?

http://i48.tinypic.com/2l8c9dd.jpg

How is he going to put together his next solid gold crozier if you don't tithe?
Weak... Dismissing all the charities the catholic church runs and all the help the catholic church does with nonsense.

[spursncowboys]

But yeah the Popes bathroom in the woods is probably pure gold with ivory tile.

[spursncowboys]

Outstanding point!!!!!

This is what I am trying to tell people who are bashing others for their views. It is like two blind men arguing over what the color GREEN looks like---neither has ever seen so wtf are they fighting about.

My first post in this thread was correct and true and accurate.

Great point.
Makes sense. :toast

[Blake]

Of all the brainwashed idiots in here - you are one of the most brainwashed and blind of all.
Someday you might see...but I really doubt it.

you already admit to not knowing anything. You don't know if I'm enlightened or not. Again this is according to you.

Therefore your logic dictates that you need to stfu /big font

[Blake]

Makes sense. :toast

This surprises nobody.

[Blake]

You mean like thou shall not murder
or not steal?

Old Testament God murdered a dude for ” pulling out”.

Please explain the logic.

[sjacquemotte]

This surprises nobody.

Much like the lack of intelligence in your thread.
Stay classy troll :toast

[sjacquemotte]

you already admit to not knowing anything. You don't know if I'm enlightened or not. Again this is according to you.

Therefore your logic dictates that you need to stfu /big font

:lmao Your logic is so eff'd up!

[Blake]

Much like the lack of intelligence in your thread.
Stay classy troll :toast

Get back to me when you figure out that Jesus is God.

Until then, lol you're a fucking idiot.

[Blake]

:lmao Your logic is so eff'd up!

Why are you hiding behind this troll, SnC?

[silverblk mystix]

Makes sense. :toast


Well let's wrap it up then. Don't bash others when you are as brainwashed as they are!

/thread

[Blake]

Well let's wrap it up then. Don't bash others when you are as brainwashed as they are!

/thread

But you don't know that they are brainwashed. You don't know anything per yourself.

Stfu /large font

[Woo Bum-kon]

You mean like thou shall not murder

* Unless when dealing with gays, unruly children, non-believers, etc. Then it is okay to murder the shit out of them.

/God

[sjacquemotte]

* Unless when dealing with gays, unruly children, non-believers, etc. Then it is okay to murder the shit out of them.

/God

:wtf

[sjacquemotte]

Why are you hiding behind this troll, SnC?

What...Clearly I'm not hiding. I've also not pretended to not be SNC and sjacquemotte

[sjacquemotte]

Get back to me when you figure out that Jesus is God.

Until then, lol you're a fucking idiot.

:lmao so you believe in Jesus? You further believe he is God?
That's pretty good. Your posts make alot more sense seeing your barometer for what is/isn't a fucking idiot...
Stay classy :toast

[Woo Bum-kon]

:wtf

Source: The Bible.

But seeing as how you dodged everything else I brought up in this topic, you'll probably ignore this point, too.

[sjacquemotte]

It's mainly because all the shit you have brought up is either overgeneralized, out of context or just completely wrong. Since you are so set on arguing Christianity (although you don't bring up much NT) you should probably know your information. Read the Bible. Then you'll sound less like a moron. But seeing as how you can just google stuff and hope someone else does the hard work for you, I doubt I'll get a better discourse from you.

[Woo Bum-kon]

:lol In what context is slavery okay? In what context is it okay to kill people for being homosexual? In what context is it okay to stone unruly children?

All you Christians can do is rationalize God's horrible nature by claiming that The Old Testament doesn't matter anymore or that ":cry You have to look at it in context. :cry" You're just further proving how much of a joke you are, although your lack of knowledge in the holy trinity kinda sealed it. :lmao

And I did address the NT, although I don't see how that's relevant anyway, since the Bible is supposed to be the word of God, not just the NT.

Now continue your lazy denial and apologetics.

[leemajors]

Jesus definitely was not a rational or effective solution to humanity's "problem"

[Blake]

:lmao so you believe in Jesus? You further believe he is God?
That's pretty good. Your posts make alot more sense seeing your barometer for what is/isn't a fucking idiot...
Stay classy :toast

The bible says jesus = God.

Stay stupid :toast

[Blake]

It's mainly because all the shit you have brought up is either overgeneralized, out of context or just completely wrong. Since you are so set on arguing Christianity (although you don't bring up much NT) you should probably know your information. Read the Bible. Then you'll sound less like a moron. But seeing as how you can just google stuff and hope someone else does the hard work for you, I doubt I'll get a better discourse from you.

Actually you need to read the bible.

Actually you need to stop being lazy here.

Actually you're a fucking idiot.

[Latarian Milton]

:lol In what context is slavery okay? In what context is it okay to kill people for being homosexual? In what context is it okay to stone unruly children?

All you Christians can do is rationalize God's horrible nature by claiming that The Old Testament doesn't matter anymore or that ":cry You have to look at it in context. :cry" You're just further proving how much of a joke you are, although your lack of knowledge in the holy trinity kinda sealed it. :lmao

And I did address the NT, although I don't see how that's relevant anyway, since the Bible is supposed to be the word of God, not just the NT.

Now continue your lazy denial and apologetics.
christians didn't crush any young protesters using military vehicles at the very least. there're still racists in the US and no one can deny it, but its not as bad as your commie tyrany where the cops kill innocent folks for fun. shit would've probably never happened even under the rule of japanese empire, which you fuckheads call "fascist"

[ElNono]

Weak... Dismissing all the charities the catholic church runs and all the help the catholic church does with nonsense.


But yeah the Popes bathroom in the woods is probably pure gold with ivory tile.

gold isn't nonsense. The Vatican is apparently chockfull of both.

[ElNono]

Outstanding point!!!!!

This is what I am trying to tell people who are bashing others for their views. It is like two blind men arguing over what the color GREEN looks like---neither has ever seen so wtf are they fighting about.

My first post in this thread was correct and true and accurate.

Great point.

I'm not blind and I've seen the color green... god/christ/spaghetti monster, not so much.

[silverblk mystix]

I'm not blind and I've seen the color green... god/christ/spaghetti monster, not so much.


No one alive has seen god/christ/spaghetti monster either - making us all blind in these matters. To bash others when we ourselves are blind also is pretty stupid and arrogant.

[silverblk mystix]

Actually you need to read the bible.

Actually you need to stop being lazy here.

Actually you're a fucking idiot.



It is funny that almost any poster nowadays -with a few strokes of their keyboard - can reduce Blake to nothing more than an angry name-caller!


:lmao


What a controlled-brainwashed puppet indeed!

[johnsmith]

It is funny that almost any poster nowadays -with a few strokes of their keyboard - can reduce Blake to nothing more than an angry name-caller!


:lmao


What a controlled-brainwashed puppet indeed!

You follow him around a lot.

[silverblk mystix]

You follow him around a lot.

You got that backwards- same as you - you follow me around a lot too.

Puppets.

:lmao

[Blake]

It is funny that almost any poster nowadays -with a few strokes of their keyboard - can reduce Blake to nothing more than an angry name-caller!


:lmao


What a controlled-brainwashed puppet indeed!

You're a fucking idiot.

[Blake]

You got that backwards- same as you - you follow me around a lot too.

Puppets.

:lmao

Avante has you brainwashed.

Because you're a fucking idiot.

[silverblk mystix]

Yes, folks, anyone -with a couple of keystrokes - can reduce Blake to nothing but an angry name-caller.

Thanks for confirming, Blake.

:lmao

[Blake]

Yes, folks, anyone -with a couple of keystrokes - can reduce Blake to nothing but an angry name-caller.

Thanks for confirming, Blake.

:lmao

Meh. If I say 2+2=4 and you say no and run away, there is not much more to say.

It didn't take you long to label me either, hypocrite. :tu

[silverblk mystix]

Meh. If I say 2+2=4 and you say no and run away, there is not much more to say.

It didn't take you long to label me either, hypocrite. :tu


Of course I labeled you- I am no different than any other person who was programmed and brainwashed and is not enlightened. We are all the same.

Isn't it wonderful?

[ElNono]

No one alive has seen god/christ/spaghetti monster either - making us all blind in these matters. To bash others when we ourselves are blind also is pretty stupid and arrogant.

That's a pretty terrible argument, tbh. There's plenty of things we can't see straight up (ie: an electron, certain bacteria, etc) but they're certainly verifiable. Scientifically speaking, the correct answer for not knowing, is "I don't know", and not "I have faith it's there". You basically start off with the presumption something exists and that the only thing to figure out is how to get to it, but there's no real basis to support the presumption.

Now I personally don't have a problem with whatever people fantasize with as long as they don't try to impose such fantasies on me.

[silverblk mystix]

That's a pretty terrible argument, tbh. There's plenty of things we can't see straight up (ie: an electron, certain bacteria, etc) but they're certainly verifiable. Scientifically speaking, the correct answer for not knowing, is "I don't know", and not "I have faith it's there". You basically start off with the presumption something exists and that the only thing to figure out is how to get to it, but there's no real basis to support the presumption.

Now I personally don't have a problem with whatever people fantasize with as long as they don't try to impose such fantasies on me.


Fair enough.

My comments, as always, are directed at hypocrites who bash others and claim superiority over others when they are no better - or worse - than the people they are bashing.

They know who they are - and so does anyone reading these threads who can remain objective.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Just because one cannot prove that gods don't exist, doesn't mean that they can't come to the reasonable conclusion that they don't. No brainwashing necessary.

[silverblk mystix]

Just because one cannot prove that gods don't exist, doesn't mean that they can't come to the reasonable conclusion that they don't. No brainwashing necessary.

Yet you bash others who BELIEVE otherwise--just as you BELIEVE you are right.

Got it, thanks!

Not only are you brainwashed into BELIEVING that your BELIEF is the correct one- you are also arrogant enough to think you have the license to bash others who are no different than you - only because their BELIEF is contrary to yours.

Got it. Thanks again!

[Woo Bum-kon]

Just because both sides have beliefs does not in itself mean that the beliefs are on equal footing. You keep conveniently ignoring my point, idiot.

[Blake]

Fair enough.

My comments, as always, are directed at hypocrites who bash others and claim superiority over others when they are no better - or worse - than the people they are bashing.

They know who they are - and so does anyone reading these threads who can remain objective.

You just described yourself perfectly. All the objective readers know this.

They also know you're a fucking idiot.

[silverblk mystix]

Just because both sides have beliefs does not in itself mean that the beliefs are on equal footing. You keep conveniently ignoring my point, idiot.


:lmao


Equal footing. Good one. :lmao


So, by this rationale - even though both sides are hanging on to a BELIEF - NOT A FACT - you now claim that there are different levels of being wrong! :lmao

No one can say they know shit - to be fact - yet - you are superior because ...wait...because...your BELIEF is somehow on another level than their BELIEF!!!!

Got it this time . Thanks!

Only a blind person can make an argument that somehow - their level of BLINDNESS is somehow less.....BLIND!!!!!


:lmao



Great , great idiocy you are displaying here....this IDIOCY is definitely on an UNequal footing!!!!!


:lmao


Stop , please....

[silverblk mystix]

You just described yourself perfectly. All the objective readers know this.

They also know you're a fucking idiot.

My little puppet Blakey, I just re-made you resort to name calling...yet again!!!!

Thanks for playing!

[Woo Bum-kon]

So, by this rationale - even though both sides are hanging on to a BELIEF - NOT A FACT - you now claim that there are different levels of being wrong!

That makes absolutely no sense. Having a belief =/= being wrong, idiot.



No one can say they know shit - to be fact - yet - you are superior because ...wait...because...your BELIEF is somehow on another level than their BELIEF!!!!

It is better because it is a LOGICAL belief. I have come to the logical conclusion that I should not believe in God because there is no evidence. Just because I can't prove that gods don't exist doesn't mean I should just believe in whatever. The one making the claim has the burden of proof, and theists haven't provided any.



Got it this time . Thanks!

You clearly don't.



Only a blind person can make an argument that somehow - their level of BLINDNESS is somehow less.....BLIND!!!!!

Stop equating not knowing with blindness, dummy.



Great , great idiocy you are displaying here....this IDIOCY is definitely on an UNequal footing!!!!!

:lol Says the dumbass who has absolutely no understanding of what burden of proof is. You are stupid enough to think that any explanation for something unknown is equally as good, which is just a smack in the face to logic and reasoning.



Stop , please....

Nah, you should stop. You embarrassed yourself from the get-go when you continuously misused the word "brainwash," and now you are embarrassing yourself by trying to claim that logic and reasoning don't matter.

[silverblk mystix]

That makes absolutely no sense. Having a belief =/= being wrong, idiot.




It is better because it is a LOGICAL belief. I have come to the logical conclusion that I should not believe in God because there is no evidence. Just because I can't prove that gods don't exist doesn't mean I should just believe in whatever. The one making the claim has the burden of proof, and theists haven't provided any.




You clearly don't.




Stop equating not knowing with blindness, dummy.




:lol Says the dumbass who has absolutely no understanding of what burden of proof is. You are stupid enough to think that any explanation for something unknown is equally as good, which is just a smack in the face to logic and reasoning.




Nah, you should stop. You embarrassed yourself from the get-go when you continuously misused the word "brainwash," and now you are embarrassing yourself by trying to claim that logic and reasoning don't matter.


I'll make it easy and extreme for you. I will make it blunt;

If no one KNOWS -then no one can possibly be right.

I can even simplify it ---even MORE - for you - because you are a special level of idiot;

If both sides do not KNOW - then both sides are WRONG!!!!

Pick a side ---any side ---it does NOT matter---you will still be WRONG!!!!!

Now....you still with me moron?

You being ARROGANT and condescending to the opposite side not only makes you WRONG ---it also makes you an arrogant prick who was BRAINWASHED to think that if you use logic 101 -- that this would somehow make you LESS WRONG than your adversary....


but you are still both WRONG - - and-- you are arrogant on top of being wrong!!!!



:lmao


How stupid can you get? I don't know but I am sure you can go a little more stupid....just watch....

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is epistemology and the nature of the skeptic is to not believe something until given a reason to believe something. Belief has to be earned and be repeatable under that paradigm.

There is no reason to believe in God so you do not.

Brainwashing implies that you were taught a particular behavior and that particular behavior is 'washed' away to be replaced by something else. For SM to be right, that would have to mean that belief in God is inherent and it is externally removed by some 'brainwashing.' In short, that is bullshit. There is no inherent reason to believe in the Christian faith. Indoctrination of a clean slate is not brainwashing but proselytization can be either or.

[Woo Bum-kon]

If no one KNOWS -then no one can possibly be right.

Absolutely and utterly wrong. If someone flips a coin, it will either be heads or tails. I can guess heads-not know that it landed on heads--and still be right.


If both sides do not KNOW - then both sides are WRONG!!!!

Pick a side ---any side ---it does NOT matter---you will still be WRONG!!!!!

Wrong and wrong. Either God or gods exist, or they do not. They cannot both exist and not exist, so one side has to be right.


Now....you still with me moron?

:lol Oh, the irony. You don't understand what a contradiction is, yet I am the moron?


You being ARROGANT and condescending to the opposite side not only makes you WRONG

Being arrogant and condescending has no bearing on whether a belief is true or not. Sorry.


---it also makes you an arrogant prick who was BRAINWASHED to think that if you use logic 101

For the millionth time, you don't know what brainwash means. And using logic and reasoning makes my belief logical, and logic is a better guide to truth than blind faith will ever be.


-- that this would somehow make you LESS WRONG than your adversary....

It makes me less stupid because I don't believe in magical nonsense for no reason like the other side does.

So, in this thread alone you have shown that you:

- Have absolutely no clue whatsoever what "brainwash" actually means, even though you constantly abuse the term.
- Believe that all beliefs are equally valid if the truth is unknown, which is baffling and stupid.
- Do not understand what a logical contradiction is.

:rollin What's your next embarrassingly stupid argument?

[Blake]

My little puppet Blakey, I just re-made you resort to name calling...yet again!!!!

Thanks for playing!

Nah. I'm not calling you an idiot because just because you post something. I'm calling you a fucking idiot because the contents of your posts are retarded.

You are obviously uneducated, lack the ability to use logic and have severe reading comprehension problems.

for these reasons, along with your god awful attempts at humor, I'm labeling you a fucking idiot.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

- Believe that all beliefs are equally valid if the truth is unknown, which is baffling and stupid.

This is true in the case of quantum mechanics. Each probability is equally valid when the test is dupilcated and repeated. It certainly is baffling but it is hardly stupid. It raises questions about the permanence of knowledge.

That being said there are certain outcomes that are probable. Not every possible outcome is valid.

[silverblk mystix]

Absolutely and utterly wrong. If someone flips a coin, it will either be heads or tails. I can guess heads-not know that it landed on heads--and still be right.



Wrong and wrong. Either God or gods exist, or they do not. They cannot both exist and not exist, so one side has to be right.



:lol Oh, the irony. You don't understand what a contradiction is, yet I am the moron?



Being arrogant and condescending has no bearing on whether a belief is true or not. Sorry.



For the millionth time, you don't know what brainwash means. And using logic and reasoning makes my belief logical, and logic is a better guide to truth than blind faith will ever be.



It makes me less stupid because I don't believe in magical nonsense for no reason like the other side does.

So, in this thread alone you have shown that you:

- Have absolutely no clue whatsoever what "brainwash" actually means, even though you constantly abuse the term.
- Believe that all beliefs are equally valid if the truth is unknown, which is baffling and stupid.
- Do not understand what a logical contradiction is.

:rollin What's your next embarrassingly stupid argument?


You are really "special" in your own idiotic way. Hope this makes you feel proud.

If you had said - "I do not know" and stuck to it or shown that -since you don't know - you could at least be respectful of your adversary - since you don't know - then at least you would not look stupid and arrogant.

Since you admit that - you don't know - yet you continue to bash and act superior to your adversary -this makes you look pretty damn stupid.

The fact that you continue to parade your logic 101 pseudo intellectual positions on a subject that is a complete mystery to human beings -- makes you look like even more of an asshole and an idiot that any human being should ever appear to be-- yet ...

you pull it off.

:lmao


When someone "sees" something that isn't there and defends this "sight" that was never there so strongly that he can't even see that he cannot see...

Well, there is a great definition of a brainwashing. You have demonstrated a complete and perfect case of a brainwashing.

You are completely convinced that you "see" what is not there at all.


:lmao


/thread


Please stop - it only gets worse for you.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Yawn. More of you misusing the term "brainwash."

More of you claiming that all beliefs are on equal footing, which is wrong.

More of you bashing logic and pretending that it somehow applies in every other facet of our lives but somehow shouldn't apply here.

You are a complete dumbass.

[silverblk mystix]

Yawn. More of you misusing the term "brainwash."

More of you claiming that all beliefs are on equal footing, which is wrong.

More of you bashing logic and pretending that it somehow applies in every other facet of our lives but somehow shouldn't apply here.

You are a complete dumbass.

You fail to understand the simple concept known as "mystery"...your mistake.


Beliefs are not facts - so you can try to tap dance all you want but there is no way to ever -ever - no matter how hard you tap-dance - turn a belief into a fact. Even if you have been brainwashed to think that you can out-belief someone else - it is still not going to turn that BELIEF into a FACT.

Never.

Nice try. You managed to come off looking completely lost.

[Blake]

Nice try. You managed to come off looking completely lost.

He's on target. You're lost.

Everyone, I literally mean everyone that has entered this thread except for SNC knows this due to logical, non-brainwashed, critical thinking.

[Woo Bum-kon]

You fail to understand the simple concept known as "mystery"...your mistake.

You fail to understand the simple concept of burden of proof. Your mistake.


Beliefs are not facts

Belief is a position on a claim, not a claim itself. The claim can be true, which makes the belief correct.


so you can try to tap dance all you want but there is no way to ever -ever - no matter how hard you tap-dance - turn a belief into a fact.

Read the above response, dummy. Nobody but you equated belief with fact.


Even if you have been brainwashed to think that you can out-belief someone else - it is still not going to turn that BELIEF into a FACT.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You are a complete idiot.


Nice try. You managed to come off looking completely lost.

:lmao Oh, the irony.

So, in review, you:

...repeatedly claimed that I was brainwashed without once correctly describing what "brainwash" actually means while fitting that description in the correct context.

...built a straw man by lying and saying that I claimed to KNOW that God doesn't exist. When that claim was shut down, you...

...tried to claim that every belief is equally justified, which is moronic. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant that everybody's belief (or non-belief) in God is justified, but you have completely failed to explain why burden of proof doesn't apply here.

...claimed that both sides in an EITHER/OR situation are wrong, which is a logical contradiction. Good thing you dropped that point once I pointed your stupidity out.

...now try to claim that I am trying to turn belief into fact, even though I not once attempted to do that. Furthermore, belief is a position on a claim, not a declaration.

:lmao What will your next horridly stupid point be?

[silverblk mystix]

You fail to understand the simple concept of burden of proof. Your mistake.



Belief is a position on a claim, not a claim itself. The claim can be true, which makes the belief correct.



Read the above response, dummy. Nobody but you equated belief with fact.



That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You are a complete idiot.



:lmao Oh, the irony.

So, in review, you:

...repeatedly claimed that I was brainwashed without once correctly describing what "brainwash" actually means while fitting that description in the correct context.

...built a straw man by lying and saying that I claimed to KNOW that God doesn't exist. When that claim was shut down, you...

...tried to claim that every belief is equally justified, which is moronic. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant that everybody's belief (or non-belief) in God is justified, but you have completely failed to explain why burden of proof doesn't apply here.

...claimed that both sides in an EITHER/OR situation are wrong, which is a logical contradiction. Good thing you dropped that point once I pointed your stupidity out.

...now try to claim that I am trying to turn belief into fact, even though I not once attempted to do that. Furthermore, belief is a position on a claim, not a declaration.

:lmao What will your next horridly stupid point be?


Unfortunately, you drank the kool aid from some blind professor at X jr college. I remember thinking similar things when I was in college until I realized;
how can a congenital cripple teach others to walk?


all he can do is give you FORMULAS.

You still believe that you can apply these formulas in matters of god & to the mysteries of the universe.

You can if you want to but they mean nothing in these topics.
Just another formula from just another cripple who has never walked.

The day that the cripple miraculously walks is the day that he will never again try to feed you a formula....he will just go silent for ....he will finally KNOW.

[Blake]

The day that the cripple miraculously walks is the day that he will never again try to feed you a formula....he will just go silent for ....he will finally KNOW.

Are you enlightened or not?

If you're not, then by your own rules, you need to stfu /big font.

But you won't. Because you're a fucking idiot, hypocrite.

[silverblk mystix]

Are you enlightened or not?

If you're not, then by your own rules, you need to stfu /big font.

But you won't. Because you're a fucking idiot, hypocrite.


Am I enlightened? Who gives a shit-I don't know - I don't care- It isn't relevant- Pick your choice.

I don't have rules and yes we should ALL STFU in matters of truth - but when I see your little gang trying to gang up on others when you are just as blind - I will always interject and try to show you the error of your ways.

Just showing you truth as always and you just refusing to SEE as always.

I will reiterate for you again in case you missed it the other dozen times I have advised you;

I post truthful and accurate comments. The fact that they bother you so very much is a good indication that your brain strongly rejects truth. If someday you learn to see reality you will understand. Until then you will just attack what scares you or upsets you because you have been programmed to NOT SEE REALITY.

Don't feel bad though ---ALL OF US WERE PROGRAMMED AND BRAINWASHED.

Only Mystics, babies, dogs and some other few aren't programmed yet or some were lucky enough to get de-programmed.

Hope you SEE someday.

[admiralsnackbar]

Unfortunately, you drank the kool aid from some blind professor at X jr college. I remember thinking similar things when I was in college until I realized;
how can a congenital cripple teach others to walk?


all he can do is give you FORMULAS.

You still believe that you can apply these formulas in matters of god & to the mysteries of the universe.

You can if you want to but they mean nothing in these topics.
Just another formula from just another cripple who has never walked.

The day that the cripple miraculously walks is the day that he will never again try to feed you a formula....he will just go silent for ....he will finally KNOW.

Your essential point about respecting the mysteries of life is abundantly made and well-taken enough, but you seem to have trouble discerning different values of truth, I think.

Specifically, you are defending the idea of TRUTH in an ultimate metaphysical sense (in a word, "Being"), whereas the people you are attacking are generally interested in practical truth based on physical proof and probabilities in a mutable environment ("Becoming"). They are entirely different beasts, and your preference for one will never be persuasive to people whose preference is the other because they simply operate according to different rules. EDIT: I should probably add that they are not mutually exclusive positions, I guess.

Unfortunately for you, the skeptics in here are absolutely right: the burden of proof IS on you to show TRUTH in terms of lower-case truth. Speaking in smug parables like the one quoted above (according whose wisdom you should be silent, since you already KNOW... but you knew that) doesn't speak to the kind of information they need in order to be persuaded.

[admiralsnackbar]

I post truthful and accurate comments. The fact that they bother you so very much is a good indication that your brain strongly rejects truth. If someday you learn to see reality you will understand. Until then you will just attack what scares you or upsets you because you have been programmed to NOT SEE REALITY.


Take a lesson from the Romney campaign. They only drank their own kool-aid and dismissed everybody else's as haterade instead of reviewing all the data with an open mind and testing their assumptions against other's claims. You say you speak truth, but you don't seem to allow for the possibility that everyone believes they speak truth.

[Blake]

Rofl SBM. Seeing you talk out of both sides of your mouth in one post is great. Makes it easier to point out your hypocrisy.

Some of your best work yet, idiot. :tu

[silverblk mystix]

Your essential point about respecting the mysteries of life is abundantly made and well-taken enough, but you seem to have trouble discerning different values of truth, I think.

Specifically, you are defending the idea of TRUTH in an ultimate metaphysical sense (in a word, "Being"), whereas the people you are attacking are generally interested in practical truth based on physical proof and probabilities in a mutable environment ("Becoming"). They are entirely different beasts, and your preference for one will never be persuasive to people whose preference is the other because they simply operate according to different rules.

Unfortunately for you, the skeptics in here are absolutely right: the burden of proof IS on you to show TRUTH in terms of lower-case truth. Speaking in smug parables like the one quoted above (according whose wisdom you should be silent, since you already KNOW... but you knew that) doesn't speak to the kind of information they need in order to be persuaded.


Thanks for your thoughtful and mostly respectful response.

You are absolutely correct in regards to keeping silent. I only speak when I see -what you referred to as the Skeptics in this thread - (and I refer to as the bullies who like to repeatedly gang up and insult others) these little e-thugs acting righteous. Wrong to speak? Maybe.
Wrong to just allow the e-thuggery to continue? Maybe

A dilemma. So I speak when it is the better choice-but yes, you are still correct on the silence part.

Those who know -they do not say.
Those who say - they do not know.

Still true.

In regards to proof and burden of proof - believe me- I understand and know these rules intimately. Do I subscribe to them at all times? lol

I have no need to play a game where the rules are irrelevant and when speaking of god - who is to say that we can apply rules to? I can't and I wont.

If a few forum members think that their little logic rules apply in this topic - they can play by those rules. I am not bound nor do I subscribe.

Thanks.

[Blake]

You are absolutely correct in regards to keeping silent. I only speak when I see -what you referred to as the Skeptics in this thread - (and I refer to as the bullies who like to repeatedly gang up and insult others) these little e-thugs acting righteous. Wrong to speak? Maybe.
Wrong to just allow the e-thuggery to continue? Maybe


There is no maybe about it.

Your rules dictate you need to stfu /big font.


Those who know -they do not say.
Those who say - they do not know.

Still true.

Still ridiculously false.


i have no need to play a game where the rules are irrelevant and when speaking of god - who is to say that we can apply rules to? I can't and I wont.

But you can and have tried to apply your own rules here.

And you can and did break your own rules, hypocrite.

You're retarded.

[silverblk mystix]

Take a lesson from the Romney campaign. They only drank their own kool-aid and dismissed everybody else's as haterade instead of reviewing all the data with an open mind and testing their assumptions against other's claims. You say you speak truth, but you don't seem to allow for the possibility that everyone believes they speak truth.


Well, you must have missed my original post in this thread. It is exactly what you are saying here. The OP asked a question about Christians and I truthfully told him that it is because they have been brainwashed Differently - but that all of us -including myself - have also been brainwashed.

We all believe we are right - yet - it is impossible - so stop bashing your adversary when you are no better - or "more correct"

or "just as wrong"

[Blake]

I truthfully told him that it is because they have been brainwashed Differently - but that all of us -including myself - have also been brainwashed.

We all believe we are right - yet - it is impossible - so stop bashing your adversary when you are no better - or "more correct"

You don't know these things to be truth per you.

Stop breaking your own rules and stfu /big font.

[silverblk mystix]

Rofl SBM. Seeing you talk out of both sides of your mouth in one post is great. Makes it easier to point out your hypocrisy.

Some of your best work yet, idiot. :tu

Ah yes, hypocrisy. It is very hypocritical to bash people when you are no better.

Agreed.

[silverblk mystix]

There is no maybe about it.

Your rules dictate you need to stfu /big font.





Still ridiculously false.



But you can and have tried to apply your own rules here.

And you can and did break your own rules, hypocrite.

You're retarded.



I have stated repeatedly - there are no rules when it involves mystery.

Mystery.

No one knows so which rules would apply to mystery? None. No one knows.

I already told you;

If you are talking about mechanical, mundane, robotic things like brushing your teeth- sure -there are probably rules.

That isn't the topic.

God = mystery = unknown = unknowable = no rules.

[Blake]

Ah yes, hypocrisy. It is very hypocritical to bash people when you are no better.

Agreed.

Do you believe ”In God We Trust” should be written on our money?

[silverblk mystix]

Do you believe ”In God We Trust” should be written on our money?


This has nothing to do with this topic. By the way- wgaf?

Seriously - words on a piece of paper?

Is this your idea of god or mystery?

[clambake]

the bible is words on paper.

[silverblk mystix]

[QUOTE=clambake;6368799]the bible is words on paper.[/QUOTE


Eggsacktly!

[Blake]

I have stated repeatedly - there are no rules when it involves mystery.

Mystery.

No one knows so which rules would apply to mystery? None. No one knows.

I already told you;

If you are talking about mechanical, mundane, robotic things like brushing your teeth- sure -there are probably rules.

That isn't the topic.

God = mystery = unknown = unknowable = no rules.

keep breaking your own rule. :tu

[Blake]

This has nothing to do with this topic. By the way- wgaf?

Seriously - words on a piece of paper?

Is this your idea of god or mystery?

If you are going to claim I bully christians, let's get to the root of why this perception exists.

if you would rather ramble on about stupid theories you made up, then my rule is to call you a fucking idiot.

I'm content either way.

[Blake]

Eggsacktly!

So in the name of fairness to all religions and all beliefs, you agree with me that In God We Trust should be removed?

[silverblk mystix]

If you are going to claim I bully christians, let's get to the root of why this perception exists.

if you would rather ramble on about stupid theories you made up, then my rule is to call you a fucking idiot.

I'm content either way.

You and a few others - but - yes.

Yes- you are also reduced to an angry name-caller yet again.


:lmao

[admiralsnackbar]

Well, you must have missed my original post in this thread. It is exactly what you are saying here. The OP asked a question about Christians and I truthfully told him that it is because they have been brainwashed Differently - but that all of us -including myself - have also been brainwashed.

We all believe we are right - yet - it is impossible - so stop bashing your adversary when you are no better - or "more correct"

or "just as wrong"

Fair enough, but a condition of faith is, by definition, a certain belief in something, which inevitably means the faithful cannot abide with what appears to be your ultimate desire: politeness or silence. For the sake of simplicity I'll grant that Skepticism is a faith of sorts (although I don't believe it is, I can appreciate that many skeptics behave in a manner indistinguishable from that of any religious zealot), and add that faith moves people to proselytize, vilify, marginalize, or at least question others who do not share one's belief. The only way to sort these feelings out rationally (as I implied in my Romney analogy) is to discuss them, however, and inevitably, such discussions will piss people off. If your ideal is to have people respect one another's beliefs, don't you have to let these discussions run their course?

[silverblk mystix]

So in the name of fairness to all religions and all beliefs, you agree with me that In God We Trust should be removed?


I don't generally give a shit about man-made politics/rules/laws....most of them were created by blind people with agendas so I prefer to not waste my time. Before you run with it and turn it into I don't respect laws, believe in such and such society, etc...
I will clarify;

I prefer not to waste my time talking/discussing those issues...so while I will obey laws to keep me out of trouble- I don't necessarily agree with or subscribe to a lot of man-made lunacy/politics/rules/religion/dogma.



If you want to discuss truth/spirituality - yes I am interested.

What you have historically proven is that you'd rather confirm your biases/prejudices/conclusions and just resort to your old stand-by: name-calling & labeling.

[clambake]

religion is man-made.

[Blake]

You and a few others - but - yes.

Yes- you are also reduced to an angry name-caller yet again.


:lmao

If you've reduced yourself to a fucking idiot - yes

[silverblk mystix]

If you've reduced yourself to a fucking idiot - yes


Called-it.

This is your only consistent response. Props.

[silverblk mystix]

religion is man-made.



uh....eggsacktly...yes/confirmed/agreed/ok/got it/

[clambake]

man-made.....nothing more.

[silverblk mystix]

Fair enough, but a condition of faith is, by definition, a certain belief in something, which inevitably means the faithful cannot abide with what appears to be your ultimate desire: politeness or silence. For the sake of simplicity I'll grant that Skepticism is a faith of sorts (although I don't believe it is, I can appreciate that many skeptics behave in a manner indistinguishable from that of any religious zealot), and add that faith moves people to proselytize, vilify, marginalize, or at least question others who do not share one's belief. The only way to sort these feelings out rationally (as I implied in my Romney analogy) is to discuss them, however, and inevitably, such discussions will piss people off. If your ideal is to have people respect one another's beliefs, don't you have to let these discussions run their course?

Pretty much agreed - but let it be known that the "faithful" in this thread were more than respectful and polite (which I understand isn't always the case) and the "skeptics" resorted to their worst conduct.

Only pointing out hypocrisy.

[silverblk mystix]

man-made.....nothing more.


What level of agreement are you looking for...I am starting to think that being 100% in agreement with you is leaving you unsatisfied.


:lmao

[Blake]

I prefer not to waste my time talking/discussing those issues...so while I will obey laws to keep me out of trouble- I don't necessarily agree with or subscribe to a lot of man-made lunacy/politics/rules/religion/dogma.

No problem with that until you pop up and label me without reason.

Which you did and will most likely do again.

Because you're a hypocrite. And a fucking idiot.


If you want to discuss truth/spirituality - yes I am interested.

But your rule is that you need to stfu /big font


What you have historically proven is that you'd rather confirm your biases/prejudices/conclusions and just resort to your old stand-by: name-calling & labeling.

I'd tell you to back that up with a link, but you've historically proven that you're an ass talker.

because you're a fucking idiot.

[Woo Bum-kon]

You still believe that you can apply these formulas in matters of god & to the mysteries of the universe.

You still haven't explained why burden of proof doesn't apply.


You can if you want to but they mean nothing in these topics.

Explain why or shut up.


Just another formula from just another cripple who has never walked.

Nope.

You know, I used to think that you posted this stupid shit just to be a contrarian, but now I see that you are just a fucking idiot. Your arguments, or lack thereof, are embarrassingly stupid and terrible.

[admiralsnackbar]

Pretty much agreed - but let it be known that the "faithful" in this thread were more than respectful and polite (which I understand isn't always the case) and the "skeptics" resorted to their worst conduct.

Only pointing out hypocrisy.

Respect comes of its own accord or it doesn't -- you can't impose it on people, and resorting to hypocrisy to point out hypocrisy just distracts from the matter at hand since it can't add anything in and of itself, IMO.

[silverblk mystix]

No problem with that until you pop up and label me without reason.

Which you did and will most likely do again.

Because you're a hypocrite. And a fucking idiot.



But your rule is that you need to stfu /big font



I'd tell you to back that up with a link, but you've historically proven that you're an ass talker.

because you're a fucking idiot.


Isn't it wonderful that we are no different and just brainwashed differently?

I really enjoy the fact that I am no better than anyone else and if being labeled a "fucking idiot" illustrates just how alike we are - I am tickled pink!

It is so wonderful. I feel pretty responsible for reducing you yet again to nothing more than an angry name-caller but I think I can live with it since we are so alike and I am sure I have had my moments of blindness like you.

[Woo Bum-kon]

I guess this fool will never actually get around to explaining why burden of proof doesn't apply, or how those who look at this situation and come to a conclusion logically are somehow brainwashed.

[Blake]

Called-it.

This is your only consistent response. Props.

To your dumbfuckery, yes, I'd say you and I both have been consistent in this regard.

[Blake]

Pretty much agreed - but let it be known that the "faithful" in this thread were more than respectful and polite (which I understand isn't always the case) and the "skeptics" resorted to their worst conduct.

Only pointing out hypocrisy.

That's not hypocrisy on the part of the ”skeptics”

Props for being a consistent dumbfuck.

[Woo Bum-kon]

This moron really needs a dictionary.

[silverblk mystix]

You still haven't explained why burden of proof doesn't apply.

Explained many times: Because god/love/buddha/sufi/freedom/peace/joy etc... is a fuckin' mystery.So you cannot apply logic to something that is unexplained/unknown/unknowable/...how many different ways can it be said. It is self-evident.
It is like thinking you can solve a math formula by reciting lines of Shakespeare. It does not apply.

Explain why or shut up. .



Nope.

You know, I used to think that you posted this stupid shit just to be a contrarian, but now I see that you are just a fucking idiot. Your arguments, or lack thereof, are embarrassingly stupid and terrible.


You remind me of me - about 20 years ago fresh out of a formal education and I knew every fuckin thing there was to know and I felt so superior to lesser people. lol
What a stupid ass I was (still am in a lot of ways- we all are) and boy what future things I was to learn ---or UNLEARN.

You have a lot to look forward to if you ubnderstand something;

If your mind stays open and open constantly to receiving truth - you might discover that;

when you are 20 - you know every fuckin thing there is to know....no one can teach you anything...

when you are 30...oh boy ...now you know it all -- and it becomes evident how stupid you were 10 years prior

when you are 40...you are done...a genius!!! boy how blind was I at 30???

as I near 50...boy how stupid I was at 40....I used to ...be so blind....


Have fun!!!!!



:lmao

[silverblk mystix]

Respect comes of its own accord or it doesn't -- you can't impose it on people, and resorting to hypocrisy to point out hypocrisy just distracts from the matter at hand since it can't add anything in and of itself, IMO.

But it sure takes the attack dogs away from their prey...:lmao

[admiralsnackbar]

But it sure takes the attack dogs away from their prey...:lmao

The "prey" can defend itself.

[silverblk mystix]

The "prey" can defend itself.

Wasn't defending. If you couldn't discern - I don't subscribe to religion so it wasn't about defending their position - it was to point out that the "skeptic" side was no better. Especially when you see the skeptics bashing the believers.

Why should bullies be allowed to continue bullying and rallying and taking a superior stance because they outnumber someone?

In a nutshell - that is it.

[Blake]

Isn't it wonderful that we are no different and just brainwashed differently?

I really enjoy the fact that I am no better than anyone else and if being labeled a "fucking idiot" illustrates just how alike we are - I am tickled pink!

It is so wonderful. I feel pretty responsible for reducing you yet again to nothing more than an angry name-caller but I think I can live with it since we are so alike and I am sure I have had my moments of blindness like you.

at least you're consistent with the way you side step the questions and then label me brainwashed.

You're a fucking idiot. :tu

[admiralsnackbar]

Why should bullies be allowed to continue bullying and rallying and taking a superior stance because they outnumber someone?


Because your argument(s) won't stop them from speaking their mind.

(Defending a group doesn't necessarily mean subscribing to its beliefs, for the record.)

[Woo Bum-kon]

Explained many times: Because god

God exists. That a claim. To evaluate the claim, ask yourself if there is any evidence supporting that claim. No? Then don't believe the claim is true until there is corroborating evidence. It's literally that simple.


love

Why do you keep repeating this stupid claim? Love is a result of chemical processes in the brain. It is known what causes it and why it occurs.


buddha/sufi/

You're just posting random things at this point.


freedom/peace/

Nothing unexplained, unknown or unknowable about these things.


joy

A mental state.


etc... is a fuckin' mystery.So you cannot apply logic to something that is unexplained/unknown/unknowable/

The whole point of burden of proof is to evaluate the unknown. It is perfect for this situation, just like it is perfect for any other situation where somebody makes a claim.


...how many different ways can it be said. It is self-evident.

No, it isn't self-evident. You still haven't give any reason why one can't use logic.


It is like thinking you can solve a math formula by reciting lines of Shakespeare. It does not apply.

False analogy.

Again you're an idiot. God's a mystery? Okay, then, an infinite amount of things are a mystery. That doesn't mean that we should just believe in bullshit. Burden of proof does apply, like it always does in any situation where somebody makes a claim.

[Blake]

Why should bullies be allowed to continue bullying and rallying and taking a superior stance because they outnumber someone?

In a nutshell - that is it.

How do you know who the bullies really are?

You don't.

You're a fucking idiot.

[Woo Bum-kon]

And I take a superior stance because it is superior, not because there are more like-minded people on here.

[silverblk mystix]

God exists. That a claim. To evaluate the claim, ask yourself if there is any evidence supporting that claim. No? Then don't believe the claim is true until there is corroborating evidence. It's literally that simple.

Who says God exists? What is God? Who is God? None of these will even matter until you first figure out - who YOU are. Who put you together? Who installed the program in your brain for you to be functioning this way? Or - in other words- who programmed/brainwashed you?

Those questions should be dealt with -----BEFORE---- you even think of dealing with - Does God exist? Who is God? What is God? What was God before humans arrived on this planet?


None of those matter until you discover who programmed you and who is living inside you now.

Why do you keep repeating this stupid claim? Love is a result of chemical processes in the brain. It is known what causes it and why it occurs.

What you described is DESIRE -which is not love.



You're just posting random things at this point. Nothing random. God/love/freedom are one and the same thing - human beings just use different names/labels



Nothing unexplained, unknown or unknowable about these things. Then explain them.



A mental state.



The whole point of burden of proof is to evaluate the unknown. It is perfect for this situation, just like it is perfect for any other situation where somebody makes a claim.

They do not apply when no one on the entire planet has ever correctly defined what God/love is. You can't apply conventional/human logic/formulas to an unexplained mystery. Waste of time.
Like trying to teach a Pig to sing. It only wastes your time- and it fuckin' irritates the Pig.
But go ahead and spend your time trying to argue an unexplainable mystery with human logic/tools/formulas.



No, it isn't self-evident. You still haven't give any reason why one can't use logic.
Circles and wasting time on blind people.



False analogy.

Again you're an idiot. God's a mystery? Okay, then, an infinite amount of things are a mystery. That doesn't mean that we should just believe in bullshit. Burden of proof does apply, like it always does in any situation where somebody makes a claim.


It might apply to you because you refuse to admit that in matters of God/love we are all blind - but if you believe that you are the exception -then take all the time out of your busy life to apply meaningless formulas to an unsolvable mystery. Good luck!

[silverblk mystix]

How do you know who the bullies really are?

You don't.

You're a fucking idiot.

The usual suspects...lemme see...off the top of my head...go to the thread where Wild Cobra was unaware of the Dirk Diggler reference...ok...

now go through that thread and see all the posters in that thread and get their names...

yup...

the Usual Suspects...ganging up...surprise surprise...same insults, same posters, same superiority complex....

[Blake]

The usual suspects...lemme see...off the top of my head...go to the thread where Wild Cobra was unaware of the Dirk Diggler reference...ok...

now go through that thread and see all the posters in that thread and get their names...

yup...

the Usual Suspects...ganging up...surprise surprise...same insults, same posters, same superiority complex....

I'm saying that in our country, it's the Christians that are bullies.

But you don't see it because you're blind and brainwashed into thinking Christianity is a religion of love, peace, and tolerance.

Because you're a fucking idiot.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Who says God exists?

Theists.


What is God? Who is God?

Depends on the theist.


None of these will even matter until you first figure out - who YOU are. Who put you together? Who installed the program in your brain for you to be functioning this way? Or - in other words- who programmed/brainwashed you?

I am not brainwashed, so let's address the God question.



What you described is DESIRE -which is not love.

Absolutely and utterly wrong. LOVE is a result of chemical processes in the brain. It is not some unknowable thing. Sexual attraction is a result of chemical processes, too. There have been studies done about this. Are you next going to claim that these studies don't matter because <insert bullshit reason>?


They do not apply when no one on the entire planet has ever correctly defined what God/love is.

Love has been defined. And I am going by the most common definitions of God. What you are claiming now is absolute conjecture.


You can't apply conventional/human logic/formulas to an unexplained mystery.

Yes, I absolutely can. Just because a claim is potentially unfasifiable doesn't change the fact that IT IS A CLAIM, AND CLAIMS HAVE TO MEET THEIR BURDENS OF PROOF BEFORE THEY ARE ACCEPTED AS TRUE. PERIOD.


But go ahead and spend your time trying to argue an unexplainable mystery with human logic/tools/formulas.

Go ahead with your special pleading and contradictory arguments.



It might apply to you because you refuse to admit that in matters of God/love we are all blind - but if you believe that you are the exception -then take all the time out of your busy life to apply meaningless formulas to an unsolvable mystery. Good luck!

The fact that something might be unsolvable does not make it any more likely to be true. Claiming that God exists is still a CLAIM, and one must provide support for that claim. That's it and that's all. God doesn't get a special exemption. The only rational reason to believe in God is because there has been sufficient proof for its existence. Believing at any other point is irrational.

Your sanctimonious, nonsensical act is getting boring, now.

[Blake]

And Wild Cobra gets called a fucking idiot because he's a fucking idiot, day after day after black surgeon fearing day.

[silverblk mystix]

Theists. So go argue with a theist. (Just as blind as you and I by the way)



Depends on the theist. Argue over whichever 'god" you decide to argue over.



I am not brainwashed, so let's address the God question.

You most certainly are and even worse- you aren't even aware of it. Like the man in a dream who doesn't realize he is in a dream.



Absolutely and utterly wrong. LOVE is a result of chemical processes in the brain. It is not some unknowable thing. Sexual attraction is a result of chemical processes, too. There have been studies done about this. Are you next going to claim that these studies don't matter because <insert bullshit reason>?


100 people will give you 100 definitions of love. lol


Love has been defined. And I am going by the most common definitions of God. What you are claiming now is absolute conjecture.
See above


Yes, I absolutely can. Just because a claim is potentially unfasifiable doesn't change the fact that IT IS A CLAIM, AND CLAIMS HAVE TO MEET THEIR BURDENS OF PROOF BEFORE THEY ARE ACCEPTED AS TRUE. PERIOD.
In a logic 101 class maybe- but I got news for you...whatever "god" is...he/she/it wouldn't be in the same classroom.


Go ahead with your special pleading and contradictory arguments.


The fact that something might be unsolvable does not make it any more likely to be true. Claiming that God exists is still a CLAIM, and one must provide support for that claim. That's it and that's all. God doesn't get a special exemption. The only rational reason to believe in God is because there has been sufficient proof for its existence. Believing at any other point is irrational.

Your sanctimonious, nonsensical act is getting boring, now.


WAKE UP!!!!!!

[silverblk mystix]

And Wild Cobra gets called a fucking idiot because he's a fucking idiot, day after day after black surgeon fearing day.



Never defended him - just showed you who the usual suspects consisted of and they are always in the same thread and on the same side and none of them ever really know wtf they are talking about - sound familiar? Yup - just like you.

[Blake]

WAKE UP!!!!!!

Problem for you is that you don't know that he isn't already awake and you're the one that's asleep.

So again, according to you, you yourself need to stfu/big font.

But again you won't. Because again, you're a hypocritical fucking idiot.

[Blake]

Never defended him - just showed you who the usual suspects consisted of and they are always in the same thread and on the same side and none of them ever really know wtf they are talking about - sound familiar? Yup - just like you.

Wild Cobra is a fucking idiot.

you're a fucking idiot.

most everyone here knows what I'm talking about and why you two are in fact, fucking idiots.

[Woo Bum-kon]

This moron should start a cult with his fringe, faux-enlightened bullshit.

[silverblk mystix]

This moron should start a cult with his fringe, faux-enlightened bullshit.


This is what blind people who refuse to see always say. I gave you truth here today and all you can do is miss it because of your brainwashing and your blindness.

Tragic but completely expected.

On the contrary - when I first sighted these truths - I remained open - and at first I thought I was crazy. Then you realize that we are living in an insane asylum and we are all crazy. Living on crazy false beliefs. Beliefs that are programmed so deeply into us that we see them as facts.

If I have time or if I feel like it later I might break you down later to show you exactly how you were programmed/brainwashed.

Even after I show you- you will still refuse to see. Pretty common when dealing with brainwashed people.

[Blake]

This is what blind people who refuse to see always say. I gave you truth here today and all you can do is miss it because of your brainwashing and your blindness.

spoken like a true cult leader.

[silverblk mystix]

spoken like a true cult leader.

Responding like a true blind and deaf sleeping person.

[Blake]

Responding like a true blind and deaf sleeping person.

No I'm not, Koresh.

[RandomGuy]

I was referencing the sub population of pastors > avg american salary. That is an incredibly small data set, Capt. Graph.

aaaah gotcha.

So some people getting away with special treatment is ok?

I would agree, it isn't a hgure problem, other than making sure our tax system is as fair and equitable.

[TeyshaBlue]

aaaah gotcha.

So some people getting away with special treatment is ok?

I would agree, it isn't a hgure problem, other than making sure our tax system is as fair and equitable.
Nah. It's not ok. I agree with you....the whole special treatment thing should be examined from the tax perspective.:toast

[RandomGuy]

Well Germany isn't filled with people over-obsessed with religion and sentimental bullshit, so it's no surprise their tax system actually taxes income.

No one makes the connection, but it's also why Germany and other secular countries don't believe in faith-based economics (what Republicans refer call "supply side economics"), aka the belief that cutting the amount of money rich people (who Republicans refer to as "job creators") have to pay to the government will somehow increase the amount of government revenue (because that makes completely logical sense). Religion is the root of why Americans believe so many illogical things compared to other 1st world countries.

I agree. We make scientific discoveries and advancments in this country despite the religious nutters. At some level irrational beliefs have got to take some toll on your ability to deal with reality, IMO.

[Wild Cobra]

I am watching a film called Into The Abyss which is a doco about two blokes on death row.

One of them says he has repented for his sins and he's going to heaven. What I don't understand is that christianity forgives anything you've done if you repent before death.... can anyone explain to me why this religion makes it so if a person who murders multiple people (or whatever) but repents its fine.. but if you are not religious you will go to hell even if you're a good person
I think people think of the word "repent" in the wrong way. It has to be from the heart, real, and not for self preservation.

[Blake]

I think people think of the word "repent" in the wrong way. It has to be from the heart, real, and not for self preservation.

What verse are you referring to, Pastor?

[Wild Cobra]

What verse are you referring to, Pastor?
Is a person sorry and scared for what they did, and the punishment that follows, or are they truly sorry for what they did without self preservation being the motive? Good people have moments of weakness, but some people, are only sorry they were caught.

When you get caught doing something wrong, was it something you really was sorry for, or sorry you got caught?

[Blake]

I simply asked for a verse.

Stop talking out of your ass or stop whining and crying when people like me call you a fucking idiot.

[AussieFanKurt]

Is a person sorry and scared for what they did, and the punishment that follows, or are they truly sorry for what they did without self preservation being the motive? Good people have moments of weakness, but some people, are only sorry they were caught.

When you get caught doing something wrong, was it something you really was sorry for, or sorry you got caught?

no good person shotguns three people. That's hardly a mistake that good people can make. This guy got death and just said I'm gunna be with god etc... Wanker

[Wild Cobra]

I simply asked for a verse.

Stop talking out of your ass or stop whining and crying when people like me call you a fucking idiot.
I guess you would think you could break it down to a verse. Sorry, it's not that simple.

[redzero]

I guess you would think you could break it down to a verse. Sorry, it's not that simple.

Yeah, it's amazing how people can draw so many bullshit conclusions out of The Bible.

[Blake]

I guess you would think you could break it down to a verse. Sorry, it's not that simple.

You're making shit up. It's that simple.

[silverblk mystix]

Yeah, it's amazing how people can draw so many bullshit conclusions out of The Bible.


Maybe it is the reader who is the problem instead of the words being read.

Just sayin'....

[Blake]

Maybe it is the reader who is the problem instead of the words being read.

Just sayin'....

the irony.

[silverblk mystix]

the irony.

You'll figure it out...eventually.

[Blake]

You'll figure it out...eventually.

I have.

It also didn't take long for most everyone here to figure out you're a fucking idiot.

[silverblk mystix]

I have.

It also didn't take long for most everyone here to figure out you're a fucking idiot.


It took me way less time and trouble to reduce you to nothing but an angry name caller again.

It is just getting easier and easier. Might be because you are revealing just how unintelligent you are.


Next time - I will try to cut down the time even shorter. Not too much of a challenge - but what else are we doing here - curing cancer?

Nope.

[Blake]

It took me way less time and trouble to reduce you to nothing but an angry name caller again.

It is just getting easier and easier. Might be because you are revealing just how unintelligent you are.


Next time - I will try to cut down the time even shorter. Not too much of a challenge - but what else are we doing here - curing cancer?

Nope.

nah. We've gone round enough times for me to know it's a waste of time to discuss anything with you.

You get butthurt waaaaay too easy and you dodge questions asked directly to you.

Much easier and efficient to simply call you, Silverblk Mystix, a fucking idiot and be done with you.

Maybe some day you'll figure it out.

[redzero]

Maybe it is the reader who is the problem instead of the words being read.

Just sayin'....

No, it is not. When there are so many different interpretations of a writing, that writing isn't clear enough. The Bible contains a lot of contradictions and general nonsense. It is not anybody's fault but the ones who wrote it and/or edited it.

[silverblk mystix]

No, it is not. When there are so many different interpretations of a writing, that writing isn't clear enough. The Bible contains a lot of contradictions and general nonsense. It is not anybody's fault but the ones who wrote it and/or edited it.

It takes two sides to fuck up something - the writers and the readers are /were equally blind/brainwashed/asleep when they took part in this.

[Blake]

It takes two sides to fuck up something - the writers and the readers are /were equally blind/brainwashed/asleep when they took part in this.

So God was blind when he inspired the bible.

And to top it off, he fucked people's communication skills up at the tower of Babel.

Seriously, for your own good, you should stfu/big font.

.....because you're a fucking idiot.

[silverblk mystix]

nah. We've gone round enough times for me to know it's a waste of time to discuss anything with you.

You get butthurt waaaaay too easy and you dodge questions asked directly to you.

Much easier and efficient to simply call you, Silverblk Mystix, a fucking idiot and be done with you.

Maybe some day you'll figure it out.


I never dodge direct questions - even your insincere "loaded" questions - which you only asked to try and gain an upper hand in your argument.

My answers or replies may not have satisfied you or they went over your head or were way out of your league - but I never dodged them. If a spiritual question was asked and the topic was concerning one of the mysteries of the universe - which you asked at your own peril- then you received an answer that you most certainly deserved - whether you understood it or not. In 20 years or so - you may suddenly stumble on some truth and look back and find that my answers/thoughts/statements that I made 20 years prior -suddenly will make perfect sense to you at that time.

For now, being an angry labeler and name-caller is probably your intellectual ceiling.


I have said nothing.

[redzero]

It takes two sides to fuck up something

No, it does not. And if it did, then your suggestion that the readers are to blame, is false.

But I will correct myself and say that you are right to an extent. Part of the reason there are so many interpretations is because believers try to justify the crap in the Bible that doesn't make sense or is morally repugnant.

As a non-believer, I take it for what it is--a bunch of writings from uneducated sand people who didn't really know much.

[silverblk mystix]

So God was blind when he inspired the bible. WOW! See here is a perfect example of people who could completely misconstrue some words and twist things up.
#1) The reader has already fucked up and twisted words that were never said or implied. Imagine Blake's words in this sentence and how further bastardized they could become in 2,000 years....lol
#2) The 2nd Blake fuckup (in this sentence alone) was that he jumped to a very BIG assumption----that GOD inspired the bible.
#3( Third Blake fuckup - he threw the word GOD out there (which if you read the statement that I made that he quoted me on-never mentioned this "word") never knowing what that word means...GOD...what does it mean ...who knows? There are many inaccurate meanings of who or what that word means...sleeping humans kill each other over these inaccurate definitions of an unknown mystery...and Blake just throws out this word that I never used....and thinks that he defined something concrete. lol...lotta blindness going on here....

And to top it off, he fucked people's communication skills up at the tower of Babel.

Wowee Gee !!! Holy Sheeple!!!! This is a biggie....In this sentence - Blake -
#1) Jumped to ANOTHER assumption/conclusion by trying to say that I implied somehow that this ---"word" "God" that I never uttered in my original statement...he is accusing me that I somehow stated that "god" fucked people up....lol ...it couldn't possibly be that these "readers" somehow ARRIVED AT THESE WORDS ALREADY FUCKED UP!!!! ASLEEEP!!!! BRAINWASHED!!!!
Nope. Blake pins that innaccuracy on my original words which I never uttered.

Seriously, for your own good, you should stfu/big font.

.....because you're a fucking idiot.


So, as anyone with a brain can see...sometimes words can trip stupid people up. Were the words to blame for Blake jumping to stupid innaccurate false conclusions????? Words are there in my original statement for all to examine.

Imagine now...the Bible...imagine sleeping people arriving at the words of the bible...do they see the words as written or do they see through the filters of their prejudices, their likes,dislikes,their false conditioning, their culture, their parents teachings, their nationalities...


I could continue describing EVERY LABEL THAT IS A FILTER FROM REALITY....every one of those labels I just gave you are another filter to block reality...so imagine over 2,000 years and billions of people with DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING AND BRAINWASHING...arriving at the words of the bible and suddenly ---


Wars...killing...accusing...crusades...genocides.. .religious battles....all over words in a book that they read through their brainwashed and programmed minds....


I have said nothing.

[silverblk mystix]

It takes two sides to fuck up something - the writers and the readers are /were equally blind/brainwashed/asleep when they took part in this.


Still looking for that word "God" in my statement....hmmm...can't find it...interesting.

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao



Too fuckin eezy

[Blake]

I never dodge direct questions - even your insincere "loaded" questions - which you only asked to try and gain an upper hand in your argument.

My answers or replies may not have satisfied you or they went over your head or were way out of your league - but I never dodged them. If a spiritual question was asked and the topic was concerning one of the mysteries of the universe - which you asked at your own peril- then you received an answer that you most certainly deserved - whether you understood it or not. In 20 years or so - you may suddenly stumble on some truth and look back and find that my answers/thoughts/statements that I made 20 years prior -suddenly will make perfect sense to you at that time.

For now, being an angry labeler and name-caller is probably your intellectual ceiling.


I have said nothing.


Rofl.

[Woo Bum-kon]

I never dodge direct questions

Yes, you absolutely do. You have been asked how brainwashing factors into this discussion multiple times, and you have yet to give an actual answer. You have also been asked how burden of proof doesn't apply to God, and your response has basically been, "It doesn't apply because it doesn't," which is a non-answer.

The biggest thing is that, regardless of whether or not what you claimed is true or not (it is not), you have been completely terrible at making your point. Most of what you have posted is gibberish.

[Blake]

So, as anyone with a brain can see...sometimes words can trip stupid people up. Were the words to blame for Blake jumping to stupid innaccurate false conclusions????? Words are there in my original statement for all to examine.

Imagine now...the Bible...imagine sleeping people arriving at the words of the bible...do they see the words as written or do they see through the filters of their prejudices, their likes,dislikes,their false conditioning, their culture, their parents teachings, their nationalities...


I could continue describing EVERY LABEL THAT IS A FILTER FROM REALITY....every one of those labels I just gave you are another filter to block reality...so imagine over 2,000 years and billions of people with DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING AND BRAINWASHING...arriving at the words of the bible and suddenly ---


Wars...killing...accusing...crusades...genocides.. .religious battles....all over words in a book that they read through their brainwashed and programmed minds....


I have said nothing.

you are bashing me for bashing christians, yet you are making my point for me that Christians take the words and use them how they want to.....for wars...killing...accusing...crusades...genocides.. .religious battles.

so it's clear now you are simply bashing me because of prejudice and butthurt.

you're a fucking idiot.

[Blake]

The biggest thing is that, regardless of whether or not what you claimed is true or not (it is not), you have been completely terrible at making your point. Most of what you have posted is gibberish.

It makes it eezier for him to claim victory

[spursncowboys]

so it's clear now you are simply bashing me because of prejudice and butthurt.

you're a fucking idiot.
Bingo

[silverblk mystix]

you are bashing me for bashing christians, yet you are making my point for me that Christians take the words and use them how they want to.....for wars...killing...accusing...crusades...genocides.. .religious battles.

so it's clear now you are simply bashing me because of prejudice and butthurt.

you're a fucking idiot.

You are proving that it is actually possible for someone who was pretty stupid to begin with - to get worse.


What I showed YOU is that you took my words and twisted them up into something that I never said and introduced the word "GOD" and tried to attribute it to me - when I never mentioned the word in that statement.

What it really proved was my original point - that you bash christians when you are no better - or when you are brainwashed just like they are- but brainwashed differently. You did exactly what you bash christians for. ZZZZIIIING!!!!!!!!

But I can't expect an idiot to be able to recognize something that simple.


:lmao

[silverblk mystix]

Yes, you absolutely do. You have been asked how brainwashing factors into this discussion multiple times, and you have yet to give an actual answer. You have also been asked how burden of proof doesn't apply to God, and your response has basically been, "It doesn't apply because it doesn't," which is a non-answer.

You have reading comprehension issues- which part of - YOU CAN'T APPLY CONVENTIONAL JR COLLEGE LOGIC TO WHAT IS AN UNEXPLAINED/UNEXPLAINABLE/UNKNOWN/UNKNOWING/ MYSTERY - THAT NO ONE CAN EVEN CORRECTLY AND UNANIMOUSLY DEFINE!!!!
Which part of that are you having the most trouble with????

The biggest thing is that, regardless of whether or not what you claimed is true or not (it is not), you have been completely terrible at making your point. Most of what you have posted is gibberish.


You just witnessed Blake read my 2 line comment and (because of his conditioning/programming/brainwashing) completely and unequivocally twist it, distort it, misinterpret it, falsely quote me, and still return and call ME an idiot.
If this happened to one of your butt-buddies who fancies himself open-minded - what do you think happens to someone reading a text like the bible? Both believers and NON-believers alike?

Furthermore - AFTER - you witnessed it with your own eyes --you come back and still talk trash to me - after I had pointed out Blake's brainwashed garbage???? You still need more?

This should have really opened your eyes --so why should I spell it out MORE for you when you just proved how blind and closed-minded you will be when I show you how brainwashing works? I showed you with Blake as the Guinea pig and you R-E-F-US-E-D- TO S-E-E-!!!!!!!!!!


WAKE THE FUCK UP -TIME TO GO TO SCHOOL -YOU ARE A BIG BOY NOW -STOP SLEEPWALKING!!!!!!!

[Woo Bum-kon]

You have reading comprehension issues-

No, you do.


which part of - YOU CAN'T APPLY CONVENTIONAL JR COLLEGE LOGIC

First of all, that's no such thing.


TO WHAT IS AN UNEXPLAINED

I am going off the explanation of whoever proposes the existence of a god. If you don't have a definition, then you obviously can't claim that either side is wrong, because there is no criteria to be met.


UNEXPLAINABLE/UNKNOWN/UNKNOWING/ MYSTERY

Which is why you will never be understood, because your objection makes no sense. None of that has anything to do with the fact that a claim must be supported by sufficient evidence for it to be believable, do you not understand? You keep going on and on about how God is a mystery that can't be known, but you never stop to think why? As far as we know, God is a concept and only a concept. God is not a reality. Period. And that concept has no material evidence that shows that is more than merely a concept. Not a single adjective you posted changes that fact.



THAT NO ONE CAN EVEN CORRECTLY AND UNANIMOUSLY DEFINE!!!!

To claim that other people's definitions of God are incorrect requires knowledge that you claim is unknown and unknowable. Another contradiction.

And whether these gods are unanimously defined or not is irrelevant, because none of them have sufficient evidence to support them.


Which part of that are you having the most trouble with????

The part where you accuse atheists of being wrong for coming to a conclusion that they don't believe in God due to lack of evidence. You still haven't explained why one should even entertain such an abstract idea that you admitted was incomprehensible. The most sensible thing in this situation would be to not believe, but you claim, for reasons that are still unclear, that the side that does that is wrong.



You just witnessed Blake read my 2 line comment and (because of his conditioning/programming/brainwashing) completely and unequivocally twist it, distort it, misinterpret it, falsely quote me, and still return and call ME an idiot.

Misinterpreting your argument =/= brainwashing. I am calling you an idiot because you keep posting idiotic things over and over again. You very clearly have no idea whatsoever what brainwashing means, which is why you refuse to define and put the term in context.



If this happened to one of your butt-buddies who fancies himself open-minded - what do you think happens to someone reading a text like the bible? Both believers and NON-believers alike?


Furthermore - AFTER - you witnessed it with your own eyes --you come back and still talk trash to me - after I had pointed out Blake's brainwashed garbage???? You still need more?

This is completely irrelevant whining. Are you ever going to explain how any of us are brainwashed by using the actual definition of the word, or will you continue to babble?



This should have really opened your eyes --so why should I spell it out MORE for you when you just proved how blind and closed-minded you will be when I show you how brainwashing works? I showed you with Blake as the Guinea pig and you R-E-F-US-E-D- TO S-E-E-!!!!!!!!!!




WAKE THE FUCK UP -TIME TO GO TO SCHOOL -YOU ARE A BIG BOY NOW -STOP SLEEPWALKING!!!!!!!

:lol Just more of you refusing to explain how brainwashing comes into play.

GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF ACTUAL, TEXTBOOK BRAINWASHING, OR SHUT UP. MISINTERPRETING YOUR ARGUMENT DOES NOT MEAN THAT SOMEBODY IS BRAINWASHED. YOU ARE REALLY STUPID IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND MY SIMPLE REQUEST.

[silverblk mystix]

No, you do.



First of all, that's no such thing.



I am going off the explanation of whoever proposes the existence of a god. If you don't have a definition, then you obviously can't claim that either side is wrong, because there is no criteria to be met.



Which is why you will never be understood, because your objection makes no sense. None of that has anything to do with the fact that a claim must be supported by sufficient evidence for it to be believable, do you not understand? You keep going on and on about how God is a mystery that can't be known, but you never stop to think why? As far as we know, God is a concept and only a concept. God is not a reality. Period. And that concept has no material evidence that shows that is more than merely a concept. Not a single adjective you posted changes that fact.




To claim that other people's definitions of God are incorrect requires knowledge that you claim is unknown and unknowable. Another contradiction.

And whether these gods are unanimously defined or not is irrelevant, because none of them have sufficient evidence to support them.



The part where you accuse atheists of being wrong for coming to a conclusion that they don't believe in God due to lack of evidence. You still haven't explained why one should even entertain such an abstract idea that you admitted was incomprehensible. The most sensible thing in this situation would be to not believe, but you claim, for reasons that are still unclear, that the side that does that is wrong.




Misinterpreting your argument =/= brainwashing. I am calling you an idiot because you keep posting idiotic things over and over again. You very clearly have no idea whatsoever what brainwashing means, which is why you refuse to define and put the term in context.




This is completely irrelevant whining. Are you ever going to explain how any of us are brainwashed by using the actual definition of the word, or will you continue to babble?




:lol Just more of you refusing to explain how brainwashing comes into play.

GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF ACTUAL, TEXTBOOK BRAINWASHING, OR SHUT UP. MISINTERPRETING YOUR ARGUMENT DOES NOT MEAN THAT SOMEBODY IS BRAINWASHED. YOU ARE REALLY STUPID IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND MY SIMPLE REQUEST.



This is similar to the Avante thread where some idiot (you? your troll? your boyfriend? doesn't matter) accused Avante of not being correct in what he asserted -his record collection. In the end Avante proved it and the troll never acknowledged it and contiues to this day to act in the same way as before...

In other words...not gonna waste my time when I have already shown you with Blake as the Guinea pig and you are denying it now.

Not worth my time.

[Woo Bum-kon]

This is similar to the Avante thread where some idiot (you? your troll? your boyfriend? doesn't matter) accused Avante of not being correct in what he asserted -his record collection. In the end Avante proved it and the troll never acknowledged it and contiues to this day to act in the same way as before...


Oh, the irony. You complain about Blake lying then turn around and lie yourself. I don't think anybody actually denied that Avante, in fact, had those records after he provided proof. You're making shit up.


Also, I am not going to concede shit to you because you have not successfully shown how what you have stated is true.


You were wrong when you lied and claimed that I asserted that I had knowledge that God doesn't exist.
You were wrong when you asserted that I was brainwashed, and you have NEVER bothered to explain how any of us are brainwashed.
You were wrong when you claimed that everybody is brainwashed when it comes to love, which is not only stupid because it doesn't make sense, but it's also stupid because we KNOW how love is caused. Everybody has different opinions about what love means to them, but that doesn't make them blind. How one views the chemical reactions that cause love is entirely up to them. That doesn't have anything to do with brainwashing.
You claimed that people are brainwashed when it comes to the soul, which is complete non-sense because the "soul" is just an abstract idea that was invented by people.
Freedom is a concept and you have utterly failed to explain how everybody is brainwashed when it comes to this concept.
You also never bothered to explain how it is ever wrong to not believe in something that has no evidence supporting it.



In other words...not gonna waste my time when I have already shown you with Blake as the Guinea pig and you are denying it now.


Not worth my time.


It definitely isn't worth my time. You are a middle-aged man who is absolutely incapable of making a coherent argument or understanding simple requests. You're an idiot and a liar, plain and simple. You have been told quite clearly MANY times by MULTIPLE people to put "brainwash" in the proper context, buy you never did.

You posted a definition of brainwash.
You claimed that we were convinced that our beliefs are true, which isn't brainwashing and doesn't match the definition that YOU posted.
You claimed that Blake misinterpreted your argument, therefore making him brainwashed. Not only does that not logically follow, it doesn't match the definition that YOU posted.

Just like Avante, whom you suck-up to solely to be a contrarion (which is probably a response to the fact that nobody here likes you), you act unbelievably obtuse when you get into an argument. You would be demolished in any kind of actual debate, because your position is poorly thought out and poorly supported.

[Wild Cobra]

You're making shit up. It's that simple.
My opinion is making shit up?

Once again, the libtard in you is showing...

[silverblk mystix]

Oh, the irony. You complain about Blake lying then turn around and lie yourself. I don't think anybody actually denied that Avante, in fact, had those records after he provided proof. You're making shit up.


Also, I am not going to concede shit to you because you have not successfully shown how what you have stated is true.


You were wrong when you lied and claimed that I asserted that I had knowledge that God doesn't exist.
You were wrong when you asserted that I was brainwashed, and you have NEVER bothered to explain how any of us are brainwashed.
You were wrong when you claimed that everybody is brainwashed when it comes to love, which is not only stupid because it doesn't make sense, but it's also stupid because we KNOW how love is caused. Everybody has different opinions about what love means to them, but that doesn't make them blind. How one views the chemical reactions that cause love is entirely up to them. That doesn't have anything to do with brainwashing.
You claimed that people are brainwashed when it comes to the soul, which is complete non-sense because the "soul" is just an abstract idea that was invented by people.
Freedom is a concept and you have utterly failed to explain how everybody is brainwashed when it comes to this concept.
You also never bothered to explain how it is ever wrong to not believe in something that has no evidence supporting it.





It definitely isn't worth my time. You are a middle-aged man who is absolutely incapable of making a coherent argument or understanding simple requests. You're an idiot and a liar, plain and simple. You have been told quite clearly MANY times by MULTIPLE people to put "brainwash" in the proper context, buy you never did.

You posted a definition of brainwash.
You claimed that we were convinced that our beliefs are true, which isn't brainwashing and doesn't match the definition that YOU posted.
You claimed that Blake misinterpreted your argument, therefore making him brainwashed. Not only does that not logically follow, it doesn't match the definition that YOU posted.

Just like Avante, whom you suck-up to solely to be a contrarion (which is probably a response to the fact that nobody here likes you), you act unbelievably obtuse when you get into an argument. You would be demolished in any kind of actual debate, because your position is poorly thought out and poorly supported.


Why am I not surprised?

Tons of blindness here.

#1) If you know anything about how the mind works - here is something for you to ponder;
When someone reaches a "conclusion" about something - he has stopped seeing. At that moment you close yourself off to truth.
You have come to the conclusion that I am a (insert labels here) so anything I say - you will be blind and deaf to.

#2) Why ask for more proof from someone you have concluded is a (insert labels here) ?

#3) It is a waste of time trying to teach a pig to sing (in this scenario you are the pig) - you will never succeed and it will only irritate the pig.

#4) Yes, I am being an idiot here- because I know it will be a waste of time....but I'll humor you...


So...

Since we haven't even agreed on what brainwashing means - we can't really debate it can we? So as a last chance I will post an example and if you agree that it is an example of brainwashing...then I will make time this evening and show you exactly how MOST people in the world are brainwashed/asleep/blind, etc....

You still won't see, won't be open , wont even give credit because you are indeed brainwashed and blind...but just for shits and giggles here goes;


Would you agree that a person is brainwashed if;
He is in touch with reality and then - someone re-programs his mind so much that after this re-programming - this same person can not see reality anymore?
This newly programmed person will not even know he has been brainwashed because everything he sees and believes now - he considers fact. He won't even
question his beliefs and will actually get defensive if someone should ever accuse him of being brainwashed. Is this person brainwashed?

Is this brainwashing?


If you agree that it is - I will show you how almost everyone on the planet is brainwashed. This evening.


If you don't consider this brainwashing or want to have another go-round at semantics - then I guess we have nothing more to talk about.

You decide at your own peril.

[Blake]

My opinion is making shit up?

Once again, the libtard in you is showing...

your opinion that repentance must not be based on self preservation in order to be genuine is based on nothing but your ass. In fact, preachers love to point out that hell is waiting if you don't repent.

once again, the fucking idiot in you is showing.

[Blake]

Why am I not surprised?

Tons of blindness here.

You have to not be blind in order to evaluate someone else's blindness.

You keep saying you have never said you are enlightened, but this is really you saying you are.

You're just too blind to know it.


#1) If you know anything about how the mind works - here is something for you to ponder;
When someone reaches a "conclusion" about something - he has stopped seeing. At that moment you close yourself off to truth.
You have come to the conclusion that I am a (insert labels here) so anything I say - you will be blind and deaf to.

#2) Why ask for more proof from someone you have concluded is a (insert labels here) ?

#3) It is a waste of time trying to teach a pig to sing (in this scenario you are the pig) - you will never succeed and it will only irritate the pig.

#4) Yes, I am being an idiot here- because I know it will be a waste of time....but I'll humor you...


So...

Since we haven't even agreed on what brainwashing means - we can't really debate it can we? So as a last chance I will post an example and if you agree that it is an example of brainwashing...then I will make time this evening and show you exactly how MOST people in the world are brainwashed/asleep/blind, etc....

You still won't see, won't be open , wont even give credit because you are indeed brainwashed and blind...but just for shits and giggles here goes

psychology expert!




If you agree that it is - I will show you how almost everyone on the planet is brainwashed. This evening.


Lets say it is. I reeeeeeallly want to see this.



You decide at your own peril.

Roflmao.

Good stuff today. :tu

[LnGrrrR]

Why am I not surprised?

Tons of blindness here.

#1) If you know anything about how the mind works - here is something for you to ponder;
When someone reaches a "conclusion" about something - he has stopped seeing. At that moment you close yourself off to truth.
You have come to the conclusion that I am a (insert labels here) so anything I say - you will be blind and deaf to.

That sounds like a conclusion that you have come to right there.


#3) It is a waste of time trying to teach a pig to sing (in this scenario you are the pig) - you will never succeed and it will only irritate the pig.

You're CONCLUDING that he is a pig.

[silverblk mystix]

That sounds like a conclusion that you have come to right there.

Not exactly. Re-read his post and Blake's post where they both assert and conclude that I am a (insert labels) . This is a conclusion that they both apparently reached, so whatever he is asking me to provide will be missed.





You're CONCLUDING that he is a pig.
Wrong again skippy - the conclusion is that it will be a waste of time. Try to keep up.

[LnGrrrR]

Wrong again skippy - the conclusion is that it will be a waste of time. Try to keep up.

You've reached a conclusion that as soon as someone reaches a conclusion they stop seeing.

You've also admitted you're concluding that it will be a waste of time, meaning you've blinded yourself, using your logic.

[DisAsTerBot]

This is epistemology and the nature of the skeptic is to not believe something until given a reason to believe something. Belief has to be earned and be repeatable under that paradigm.

There is no reason to believe in God so you do not.

Brainwashing implies that you were taught a particular behavior and that particular behavior is 'washed' away to be replaced by something else. For SM to be right, that would have to mean that belief in God is inherent and it is externally removed by some 'brainwashing.' In short, that is bullshit. There is no inherent reason to believe in the Christian faith. Indoctrination of a clean slate is not brainwashing but proselytization can be either or.

I love how Silverblk mystix didn't even bother to respond to this post.

were you blind to this post?

[silverblk mystix]

You have to not be blind in order to evaluate someone else's blindness.

You keep saying you have never said you are enlightened, but this is really you saying you are.

You're just too blind to know it.

I am human so - yes - I am part of the blind/brainwashed/asleep/ Everyone is except for the rare mystic, very young child, or the very rare one in a billion awakened person.
The level of brainwashing that you, Woo-Bung Hole or myself have recieved might vary but it is there all the same/



psychology expert!



Lets say it is. I reeeeeeallly want to see this.
Wasn't asking you - you haven't admitted how wrong you were when you twisted my two sentence comment into something it never was. You demonstrated pretty convincingly how two simple sentences can be completely misconstrued by a brainwashed reader who only sees through his distorted misperceptions, false beliefs and deep programming. You should be the LAST person that should want to see how a brainwashing happens. It could severely damage you --if you recognize yourself. It could also help you - but I would pay money to actually see you being open and honest enough with yourself to actually admit it and improve yourself.


Roflmao.

Good stuff today. :tu


Indeed. Lots of blindness too.

[Blake]

I am human so - yes - I am part of the blind/brainwashed/asleep/ Everyone is except for the rare mystic, very young child, or the very rare one in a billion awakened person. The level of brainwashing that you, Woo-Bung Hole or myself have recieved might vary but it is there all the same/

Indeed. Lots of blindness too.

one in a billion is enlightened? Where are you getting this from? A movie?

No loaded: Give a name of one person that you are referring to and explain how you know that they aren't blind like you.

:corn:

[silverblk mystix]

You've reached a conclusion that as soon as someone reaches a conclusion they stop seeing.

You've also admitted you're concluding that it will be a waste of time, meaning you've blinded yourself, using your logic.


Going by your post count - you have been here a looong time. So I will ask you a simple,direct question.

In all the years you have been here - have you ever witnessed a Spurstalk poster - say something like this;

"You were completely right. I was wrong. I learned something here today and I thank you for your part in this."

Have you?


That would be a bonafide miracle - but it will never happen. Knowing this - I stand by my conclusion that you are referring I made - but I would absolutely admit my error if and when ANY poster proves me wrong and/or admits when they were wrong.

[silverblk mystix]

I love how Silverblk mystix didn't even bother to respond to this post.

were you blind to this post?


I haven't had time as I generally am multi-tasking (at work/wherever) and I usually run in here and hastily post. But I will get to it since you are interested...but why do you care about another posters post?

Let me know.

[Blake]

I haven't had time

Clearly.

[Blake]

Going by your post count - you have been here a looong time. So I will ask you a simple,direct question.

In all the years you have been here - have you ever witnessed a Spurstalk poster - say something like this;

"You were completely right. I was wrong. I learned something here today and I thank you for your part in this."

Have you?


That would be a bonafide miracle - but it will never happen. Knowing this - I stand by my conclusion that you are referring I made - but I would absolutely admit my error if and when ANY poster proves me wrong and/or admits when they were wrong.





Don't anyone say I never admit to being wrong.

props to lol utsa fan. :tu


:toast

Close minded fool.

[silverblk mystix]

Close minded fool.


So there is hope for you - you once admitted to being wrong. I will take your word for it. Remain open.

[DisAsTerBot]

I haven't had time as I generally am multi-tasking (at work/wherever) and I usually run in here and hastily post. But I will get to it since you are interested...but why do you care about another posters post?

Let me know.

you're right, why would i care what another poster posts on a message board i frequent???

[DisAsTerBot]

Going by your post count - you have been here a looong time. So I will ask you a simple,direct question.

In all the years you have been here - have you ever witnessed a Spurstalk poster - say something like this;

"You were completely right. I was wrong. I learned something here today and I thank you for your part in this."

Have you?


That would be a bonafide miracle - but it will never happen. Knowing this - I stand by my conclusion that you are referring I made - but I would absolutely admit my error if and when ANY poster proves me wrong and/or admits when they were wrong.

wow, irony is totally lost on you. Among other things

[LnGrrrR]

Going by your post count - you have been here a looong time. So I will ask you a simple,direct question.

In all the years you have been here - have you ever witnessed a Spurstalk poster - say something like this;

"You were completely right. I was wrong. I learned something here today and I thank you for your part in this."

Have you?


That would be a bonafide miracle - but it will never happen. Knowing this - I stand by my conclusion that you are referring I made - but I would absolutely admit my error if and when ANY poster proves me wrong and/or admits when they were wrong.

Sure. Not exactly in those words, per se, but even WC has admitted he was wrong before. Looks like you've made a wrong conclusion.

[silverblk mystix]

wow, irony is totally lost on you. Among other things


Ok, so trying to talk to you will be wasting time so I will re-phrase my last response since I have read your latest posts;

None of your fuckin' business - but fyi that post didn't interest me in the least and I didn't feel like wasting additional time in something that really didn't interest me.

[DisAsTerBot]

Ok, so trying to talk to you will be wasting time so I will re-phrase my last response since I have read your latest posts;

None of your fuckin' business - but fyi that post didn't interest me in the least and I didn't feel like wasting additional time in something that really didn't interest me.

in other words, you had absolutely no intelligent response to fuzzy's post so you chose to ignore it.
cool.

[silverblk mystix]

Sure. Not exactly in those words, per se, but even WC has admitted he was wrong before. Looks like you've made a wrong conclusion.

I am often wrong. What would you expect from a brainwashed person?

[silverblk mystix]

in other words, you had absolutely no intelligent response to fuzzy's post so you chose to ignore it.
cool.


Another great example of how a statement can be twisted and misrepresented. Thanks!

[LnGrrrR]

Perhaps you have been brainwashed into learning an incorrect definition of the word brainwash?

[DisAsTerBot]

so why didnt' the post interest you? It addressed exactly what you were trying to label "brainwashing". Maybe you skipped right past it because it didn't align with your beliefs. typical.

[Blake]

So there is hope for you - you once admitted to being wrong. I will take your word for it. Remain open.

Problem here is that you are the one that is extremely narrow minded.

Because you're a fucking idiot.

Still waiting for the name of the One in a billion. Please tell me his name is Neo. Please.

[silverblk mystix]

one in a billion is enlightened? Where are you getting this from? A movie?

No loaded: Give a name of one person that you are referring to and explain how you know that they aren't blind like you.

:corn:

Asked a dozen times and answered eleven times already. Just refer to the last eleven identical answers to this same/exact question.

[Blake]

Asked a dozen times and answered eleven times already. Just refer to the last eleven identical answers to this same/exact question.

bull shit. You're a blind, narrow minded liar that makes shit up as he goes.

This is a label that is not being issued for no reason. By definition, it is what you are.

[Blake]

I am often wrong. What would you expect from a brainwashed person?

Even though this post is dripping with thick sarcasm, I agree that you are often wrong.

[Blake]

Ok, so trying to talk to you will be wasting time so I will re-phrase my last response since I have read your latest posts;

None of your fuckin' business - but fyi that post didn't interest me in the least and I didn't feel like wasting additional time in something that really didn't interest me.

Stay open minded!

Fucking idiot.

[Woo Bum-kon]

When someone reaches a "conclusion" about something - he has stopped seeing. At that moment you close yourself off to truth.

Complete lie. People are quite capable of changing their minds after making a conclusion. You're really just posting nonsense at this point.


You have come to the conclusion that I am a (insert labels here) so anything I say - you will be blind and deaf to.

I came to the conclusion that you were wrong because you never defended your position with a good argument.


#2) Why ask for more proof from someone you have concluded is a (insert labels here) ?

That's a really good question. I probably am wasting my time, because you are an idiot. However, that defeats your point, because if I truly didn't want to see the "truth," I wouldn't ask you to provide it several times.


#3) It is a waste of time trying to teach a pig to sing (in this scenario you are the pig) - you will never succeed and it will only irritate the pig.

It's a waste of time because you can't follow simple directions.


#4) Yes, I am being an idiot here- because I know it will be a waste of time....but I'll humor you...

I really doubt that you will ever actually ANSWER my questions, but we'll see.



Since we haven't even agreed on what brainwashing means - we can't really debate it can we? So as a last chance I will post an example and if you agree that it is an example of brainwashing...then I will make time this evening and show you exactly how MOST people in the world are brainwashed/asleep/blind, etc....

We haven't actually agreed because you haven't actually provided a real example.



Would you agree that a person is brainwashed if;
He is in touch with reality and then - someone re-programs his mind so much that after this re-programming - this same person can not see reality anymore?

Yeah, I'd agree with that.


This newly programmed person will not even know he has been brainwashed because everything he sees and believes now - he considers fact. He won't even
question his beliefs and will actually get defensive if someone should ever accuse him of being brainwashed. Is this person brainwashed?

Is this brainwashing?

Yeah, but the thing is, you already provided a definition of the term "brainwash," but you never put it in the correct context. That definition doesn't at all describe me, but you claim it does.



If you agree that it is - I will show you how almost everyone on the planet is brainwashed. This evening.


If you don't consider this brainwashing or want to have another go-round at semantics - then I guess we have nothing more to talk about.

You decide at your own peril.

No, first show how all the people in this thread are brainwashed, then we can get to everybody else. You claimed that I was brainwashed, so show how I am brainwashed.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Someone refusing to admit that they are wrong about something when they clearly are (e.g., Avante) is probably just doing it because they see admitting that they are wrong as a blow to their pride. No brainwashing necessary. No indoctrinating necessary. Your example fails completely because many people admit to being wrong all the time. And you can't point to you being wrong about something and use it as evidence that you are right, because that's bullshit.

sbm is probably making shit up as he goes along like a cult leader. That mystic crap is pulled directly from his ass.

[silverblk mystix]

bull shit. You're a blind, narrow minded liar that makes shit up as he goes.

This is a label that is not being issued for no reason. By definition, it is what you are.


Great way to get me to take you serious and give you a respectful answer.

[sjacquemotte]

Great way to get me to take you serious and give you a respectful answer.

THey're trolls. They aren't looking for a read debate or discourse. They are trying to get you to admit things about yourself so they can turn it against you. For that to work, they will be as vague as possible so you cannot do it to them. They're no talent ass-clowns!

[Woo Bum-kon]

THey're trolls. They aren't looking for a read debate or discourse. They are trying to get you to admit things about yourself so they can turn it against you. For that to work, they will be as vague as possible so you cannot do it to them. They're no talent ass-clowns!

Oh, the irony. I made a claim and backed it up with evidence from The Bible, and YOU were the one who gave vague non-answers repeatedly, not me.

[silverblk mystix]

Complete lie. People are quite capable of changing their minds after making a conclusion. You're really just posting nonsense at this point.

Conclusion. It has been concluded. It has been arrived at. They are done. They stop looking....get it?



I came to the conclusion that you were wrong because you never defended your position with a good argument.

Or you never understood it.



That's a really good question. I probably am wasting my time, because you are an idiot. However, that defeats your point, because if I truly didn't want to see the "truth," I wouldn't ask you to provide it several times.



It's a waste of time because you can't follow simple directions.



I really doubt that you will ever actually ANSWER my questions, but we'll see.




We haven't actually agreed because you haven't actually provided a real example.




Yeah, I'd agree with that.

Fair enough. I shall show you how a person is brainwashed and how that description will fit all of us in here...some with less brainwashing done to them some with more extensive brainwashing and some who have been brainwashed - but have re-programmed some of it back to gain their freedom.



Yeah, but the thing is, you already provided a definition of the term "brainwash," but you never put it in the correct context. That definition doesn't at all describe me, but you claim it does.

It could be said to describe pretty much everyone here - including myself. Here is the fact - I have stated this before and of course the Blake's and Woo Bung Holes of the World retorted with the usual name-calling but I will repeat it;

We live in an insane asylum - all of us - me included- we are living on crazy ideas, false beliefs and deeeep brainwashing - but the problem is that there are too many of us to change it ---hell ---we run this fuckin asylum how the hell are we gonna change it if we can't even SEE that we are crazy?

It is a CANCER but we are not even treating it. We are content to continue to live as sleeping/brainwashed people. Except for a few mystics and a few awakened people.



No, first show how all the people in this thread are brainwashed, then we can get to everybody else. You claimed that I was brainwashed, so show how I am brainwashed.


Let us confirm the premise....Would you agree that a person is brainwashed if;
He is in touch with reality and then - someone re-programs his mind so much that after this re-programming - this same person can not see reality anymore?

I won't even go to a 2nd sentence - because we have seen how TWO simple sentences can really end up unrecognizable after an idiot reads them.

Just agree to that one sentence and we got a deal. If you agree that that person is a brainwashed person - I will break it down for you this evening and show you how that person is YOU, ME AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT POSTED IN THIS THREAD.

[silverblk mystix]

THey're trolls. They aren't looking for a read debate or discourse. They are trying to get you to admit things about yourself so they can turn it against you. For that to work, they will be as vague as possible so you cannot do it to them. They're no talent ass-clowns!

Thanks bro!

I already know this. I already admitted I am an idiot for wasting my time and I know after I play their little game - they will play semantics and name-call and basically just be themselves...no surprise.

I do it in case someone out there that lurks around here sees some truth and investigates it and ponders on it and examines it, analyzes it, tests it, confirms it or rejects it at the end and actually does some good to others or themselves with these truths.

For the regular posters in here - I know-I know--pissing in the wind - you could show them a glass of water and splash it on their face and then ask them if they agreed that the water was wet and they would respond with ---
"no - you are just a fuckin idiot and I didn't see or feel anything you are blah-blah"

Goes with the spurstalk territory. Thanks.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Conclusion. It has been concluded. It has been arrived at. They are done. They stop looking....get it?

I don't get it because it's not true. People can and have changed their minds after coming to a conclusion. You are wrong yet again.
He is in touch with reality and then - someone re-programs his mind so much that after this re-programming - this same person can not see reality anymore? ...and that person refuses to see reality when presented with evidence that goes against his beliefs. If that's what you call brainwashing, then sure, I can agree with that.

[101A]

For the regular posters in here - I know-I know--pissing in the wind - you could show them a glass of water and splash it on their face and then ask them if they agreed that the water was wet and they would respond with ---
"no - you are just a fuckin idiot and I didn't see or feel anything you are blah-blah"

Goes with the spurstalk territory. Thanks.

Took a tour of the local Christian private school this summer (we are Christian). Wife also happens to be a Biochem professor. We asked to see the Junior High life sciences (Biology) textbooks the school uses.

OH. HOLY. SHIT!

The first page of the 7th grade books (paraphrasing):

"We the authors of this textbook (Bob Jones University "Profs" btw), believe the Bible to be the True, Unerring, Literal word of God. If we see anything in our lives that suggest otherwise, then we know we are being deceived, and we will not believe whatever false evidence is being presented."

We handed the books back, and ran away in horror. School is growing, btw. As an "evangelical" Christian, I cannot believe the damage these other people are doing to the cause of Christianity by being ignorant tools. Jesus would slap them silly (at least the Jesus I read in Scripture). He did not suffer stupidity lightly (certainly not blind adherence to Dogma). "Test Everything" - from 1st Thessalonians.

BTW: to the OP: Christianity may say repent and go to Heaven = Jesus said this:


For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

There it is in a nutshell. Pretty simple, tbh. (Also, note, it does not say that everyone that does NOT believe is going to Hell)

Although Jesus did also say this (again, not excluding anyone specifically - he is a path that must be taken, but I've never assumed it meant during this lifetime)


I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Plenty of Christians REALLY have a problem with this line of argument, btw...

But the God I believe in isn't an asshole.

[silverblk mystix]

I don't get it because it's not true. People can and have changed their minds after coming to a conclusion. You are wrong yet again.

Once they concluded - they stopped seeing. Understand? Before they concluded- they possibly changed their minds - Once they concluded - like you and Blake who throw out these conclusions - you are only revealing your blindness. Nothing is more correct than this.


...and that person refuses to see reality when presented with evidence that goes against his beliefs. If that's what you call brainwashing, then sure, I can agree with that.

I will break it down for you this evening.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Once they concluded - they stopped seeing. Understand? Before they concluded- they possibly changed their minds - Once they concluded - like you and Blake who throw out these conclusions - you are only revealing your blindness. Nothing is more correct than this.


You're lying. Whether one is open to change their mind on something or not depends entirely on the strength of their conviction. To claim that everybody who comes to a conclusion refuses to hear contradictory evidence, is a laughable generalization. You are making everything black and white.

[Blake]

Great way to get me to take you serious and give you a respectful answer.

:lol Fuck you. I don't need any answer from you.

I'm just here showing how much of a huge fucking, hypocritical idiot you are by whining that I'm bullying Christians.

Answer honestly to honest questions at your own peril.

[Blake]

I will break it down for you this evening.

This had better live up to the hype.

I suggest you start a new thread.

lol red ink.

[Blake]

THey're trolls. They aren't looking for a read debate or discourse. They are trying to get you to admit things about yourself so they can turn it against you. For that to work, they will be as vague as possible so you cannot do it to them. They're no talent ass-clowns!

any time you want to defend your notion that Jesus is not God according to the Bible, the floor is yours.

You don't even have to say one word about yourself. Just the Bible.

[Blake]

But the God I believe in isn't an asshole.

Then you don't believe in the God of the Bible.

You're simply making up your own version.


And yes, there is some scary shit they teach at christian schools.

[spursncowboys]

Took a tour of the local Christian private school this summer (we are Christian). Wife also happens to be a Biochem professor. We asked to see the Junior High life sciences (Biology) textbooks the school uses.

OH. HOLY. SHIT!

The first page of the 7th grade books (paraphrasing):

"We the authors of this textbook (Bob Jones University "Profs" btw), believe the Bible to be the True, Unerring, Literal word of God. If we see anything in our lives that suggest otherwise, then we know we are being deceived, and we will not believe whatever false evidence is being presented."

We handed the books back, and ran away in horror. School is growing, btw. As an "evangelical" Christian, I cannot believe the damage these other people are doing to the cause of Christianity by being ignorant tools. Jesus would slap them silly (at least the Jesus I read in Scripture). He did not suffer stupidity lightly (certainly not blind adherence to Dogma). "Test Everything" - from 1st Thessalonians.

BTW: to the OP: Christianity may say repent and go to Heaven = Jesus said this:



There it is in a nutshell. Pretty simple, tbh. (Also, note, it does not say that everyone that does NOT believe is going to Hell)

Although Jesus did also say this (again, not excluding anyone specifically - he is a path that must be taken, but I've never assumed it meant during this lifetime)



Plenty of Christians REALLY have a problem with this line of argument, btw...

But the God I believe in isn't an asshole.

Well said. :toast

It's scary how some christians would rather close their eyes and ears than have a belief tested. Met alot of Cornerstone alumni in my lifetime and see that kind of view in them alot. It's why I respect the Catholics and their views of education, even though I don't believe alot of their religion.

[spursncowboys]

Oh, the irony. I made a claim and backed it up with evidence from The Bible, and YOU were the one who gave vague non-answers repeatedly, not me.
You have no idea what you are talking about and unable to understand the context in the bible. I'm a christian and you are trying to get me with laws that most Jews don't even follow.

[spursncowboys]

Thanks bro!

you could show them a glass of water and splash it on their face and then ask them if they agreed that the water was wet and they would respond with ---
"no - you are just a fuckin idiot and I didn't see or feel anything you are blah-blah"

Goes with the spurstalk territory. Thanks.
:lmao
Wheres the link? That was luke warm. You said cold water... you're retarded.

[Blake]

You have no idea what you are talking about and unable to understand the context in the bible. I'm a christian and you are trying to get me with laws that most Jews don't even follow.

Right, you pick and choose what works for you and ignore the parts you don't like.

It's what most Christians like to do.

[Blake]

:lmao
Wheres the link? That was luke warm. You said cold water... you're retarded.

why are you running away

[Woo Bum-kon]

You have no idea what you are talking about and unable to understand the context in the bible.

Then help me understand instead of merely asserting that what you say is true. I provided evidence to support my position, and you haven't done jack shit.


I'm a christian and you are trying to get me with laws that most Jews don't even follow.

I don't give a shit whether you follow them or not. You claimed that Jesus doesn't support slavery, and I provided verses from The Bible that show that he does. You not agreeing with the laws I mentioned only shows your intellectual dishonesty.

Show me the context where slavery is okay.
Show me the context where stoning children to death is okay.
Show me the context where killing homosexuals is okay.

Stop being a hypocrite and explain your position in detail. Your dismissals are absolutely worthless.

[spursncowboys]

Right, you pick and choose what works for you and ignore the parts you don't like.

It's what most Christians like to do.

You clearly don't understand Christianity either if you think Christians not cutting the hair by their ear is hypocritical

[DisAsTerBot]

You clearly don't understand Christianity either if you think Christians not cutting the hair by their ear is hypocritical

what about the christians who do cut their hair by their ear? Would they not think you hypocritical. Do they not understand christianity?

[spursncowboys]

I don't give a shit whether you follow them or not. You claimed that Jesus doesn't support slavery, and I provided verses from The Bible that show that he does. You not agreeing with the laws I mentioned only shows your intellectual dishonesty. You never once showed that Jesus supported slavery


Show me the context where slavery is okay.
Show me the context where stoning children to death is okay.
Show me the context where killing homosexuals is okay.

Stop being a hypocrite and explain your position in detail. Your dismissals are absolutely worthless.

:lol what??? None of that is accepted in christian teachings or from Jesus' teachings. Where did you get that from? What are you talking about?

[spursncowboys]

what about the christians who do cut their hair by their ear? Would they not think you hypocritical. Do they not understand christianity?
Are there christians who do do that?? I knew the orthodox Jews do that. Didn't know christians did...

[spursncowboys]

I'm not saying my views are the only right ones. Nor do I tell people that theirs are wrong. I couldn't care less about what someone thought about my religious views, parenting, career, deployments, or the fact I blow my nose and look in the tissue paper.

[DisAsTerBot]

Are there christians who do do that?? I knew the orthodox Jews do that. Didn't know christians did...

i went to a catholic school taught by marianists and the male students could not have hair touching their ears.

[spursncowboys]

i went to a catholic school taught by marianists and the male students could not have hair touching their ears.
Do you think it has more to do with uniform standards and less with religious beliefs?

[DisAsTerBot]

possibly, but I've never had a rule like that at any other schools, private or otherwise.

but the point is, there are many interpretations of the bible. To tell someone they don't understand christianity based on their interpretation is pretty self-righteous.




hence this thread, i suppose

[spursncowboys]

possibly, but I've never had a rule like that at any other schools, private or otherwise.

but the point is, there are many interpretations of the bible. To tell someone they don't understand christianity based on their interpretation is pretty self-righteous.




hence this thread, i suppose
You really have to go through everything that's been said. an atheist using a rule from leviticus about jesus being ok with slavery. That if that isn't misunderstanding, then I'm wrong. When I first stated it, it was to help them understand that they were not understanding the subject they are trying to debunk. Self-righteous??? I don't see it.
Also that seems like a pretty bad way to make your point...

[Blake]

You clearly don't understand Christianity either if you think Christians not cutting the hair by their ear is hypocritical

There are literally thousands of different denominations of christianity throughout the world.

Apparently none of you clearly understand christianity.

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao
Wheres the link? That was luke warm. You said cold water... you're retarded.


Standard operating procedure here at spurstalk - the home of geniuses, experts and perfect people who do not need to learn anymore - they are completely perfect.


:lmao

[Blake]

You never once showed that Jesus supported slavery

God endorses slavery. Jesus is God. Per the Bible.

I'm guessing you are going to somehow claim that one or both of those parts of the Bible don't matter to real christians.

[Woo Bum-kon]

You never once showed that Jesus supported slavery

Yes, I did. Jesus said to follow the teachings of the Old Testament. The teachings of the Old Testament condone slavery. Therefore, Jesus condones slavery. Or are you saying that Jesus disagrees with the word of God?


:lol what??? None of that is accepted in christian teachings or from Jesus' teachings. Where did you get that from? What are you talking about?

http://www.biblegateway.com

Condoning slavery:


Leviticus 25:44-46

New Living Translation (NLT)

44 “However, you may purchase male and female slaves from among the nations around you. 45 You may also purchase the children of temporary residents who live among you, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, 46 passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat them as slaves, but you must never treat your fellow Israelites this way.




Stoning children:


Deuteronomy 21:18-21

New Living Translation (NLT)

Dealing with a Rebellious Son

18 “Suppose a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. 19 In such a case, the father and mother must take the son to the elders as they hold court at the town gate. 20 The parents must say to the elders, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21 Then all the men of his town must stone him to death. In this way, you will purge this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid.



Killing homosexuals:



Leviticus 20:13

New Living Translation (NLT)

13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

And Jesus saying that the Old Testament's teachings are still valid:



Matthew 5:18-19New Living Translation (NLT)

18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. 19 So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

So, is The Bible the word of God or is it not?

[Blake]

Dp

[silverblk mystix]

Yes, I did. Jesus said to follow the teachings of the Old Testament. The teachings of the Old Testament condone slavery. Therefore, Jesus condones slavery. Or are you saying that Jesus disagrees with the word of God?



http://www.biblegateway.com

Condoning slavery:


Stoning children:



Killing homosexuals:



And Jesus saying that the Old Testament's teachings are still valid:



So, is The Bible the word of God or is it not?


Hey Woo Bung-Hole;

Gonna have to be until tomorrow night - lotta shit to take care of and this is a humongous undertaking - so I will probably have to break it down into Part 1, Part 2, etc....

after a Part 1 - and depending on the level of disrespect and "you are an idiot comments" then I will see if part 3,4,5,29,40 etc is necessary...

Part 1 will have to wait until tomorrow night.

Shit happens.

[Blake]

Standard operating procedure here at spurstalk - the home of geniuses, experts and perfect people who do not need to learn anymore - they are completely perfect.


:lmao

almost every time you post something like this, it almost inevitably is something that you are doing and almost nobody else is.

It's head shakingly fascinating to watch.

[Blake]

Hey Woo Bung-Hole;

Gonna have to be until tomorrow night - lotta shit to take care of and this is a humongous undertaking - so I will probably have to break it down into Part 1, Part 2, etc....

after a Part 1 - and depending on the level of disrespect and "you are an idiot comments" then I will see if part 3,4,5,29,40 etc is necessary...

Part 1 will have to wait until tomorrow night.

Shit happens.

Can't wait, myself.

Please start a new thread for it. Thanks.

[ploto]

Do you think it has more to do with uniform standards and less with religious beliefs?

That is indeed a dress code issue and not a religious tenet as to how one must wear his hair. It is the same as saying the girls can not wear dark nail polish.

[silverblk mystix]

almost every time you post something like this, it almost inevitably is something that you are doing and almost nobody else is.

It's head shakingly fascinating to watch.


I think you might need to ...um...get a life.

You could end up like your mentor with a gazillion posts and even less of a life- who am I kidding - this is your life.

:lmao

[101A]

So, is The Bible the word of God or is it not?

The Bible is the the work of human beings. Human beings are fallible, greedy and have agendas. I read it ALWAYS with those FACTS firmly in mind.

Also, went to the first Bah Mitsvah I've ever attended this summer. Heard the first rabii sermon I've ever heard. I was, frankly, impressed. Obviously all from the Torah - but very academic discussion of the scripture he taught on. Also, said in no uncertain terms that if one was reading the bible, and not interpreting the bible, then one was not using the bible as its authors intended. His personal Torah was hundreds of years old, and I got a look at it - Rabii's from accross the centuries had written notes in the margins; it was remarkable.

[Woo Bum-kon]

The Bible is the the work of human beings. Human beings are fallible, greedy and have agendas. I read it ALWAYS with those FACTS firmly in mind.

Also, went to the first Bah Mitsvah I've ever attended this summer. Heard the first rabii sermon I've ever heard. I was, frankly, impressed. Obviously all from the Torah - but very academic discussion of the scripture he taught on. Also, said in no uncertain terms that if one was reading the bible, and not interpreting the bible, then one was not using the bible as its authors intended. His personal Torah was hundreds of years old, and I got a look at it - Rabii's from accross the centuries had written notes in the margins; it was remarkable.

Then how do you interpret the verses I posted? I see them as evidence that the Christian God is a piece of shit. What about you?

[101A]

Then how do you interpret the verses I posted? I see them as evidence that the Christian God is a piece of shit. What about you?

I interpret them as follows:

1: You can have slaves, as long as they're not Jews.

2: If you're son is acting up, get a bunch of dudes together and throw rocks at him until he is dead.

3: Kill gay people.

I don't do any of those things, btw. I don't think God would like it if I did.

[101A]

Oh, and the last one (I missed it before):

4. Do right by God, or get screwed.

[ploto]

I think that many people seem to confuse Christians with Fundamentalist Christians. Most Christians are not Fundamentalists. They realize that the Bible was written within certain contexts - historical, cultural, societal, literary - and that it is to be viewed in that way. They do not read each word as being something that literally happened (Adam and Eve) and they view the statements through the lens of the time in which they were written.

The writings of the Bible mean much more to you and become much richer if you know the norms of the culture and the practices of the society for which it was written. It does not mean that every statement applies across time. For example, there are statements about women covering their heads. Do some research and discover why it is that women were told at that time to cover their heads and you will see that it does mean that women have to cover their heads now. Similarly, look at some of the verses you like to pull and study the culture. For some of them you will find that what Jesus said was actually radical for that era.

It means much more if you can tell the difference between a historical book, a psalm, and the Book of Revelations (which is not to be taken literally). You know the difference now between biography, novel, poetry, and satire. You would not read satire as biography- would you? Well, the Bible works the same way. If you study who wrote it and when he wrote it and in what genre it was written, then you can understand it much better.

Also, any Bible scholar knows that multiple sources have been pulled together, even within certain books and even within certain stories. That is why you can look around and find things that do not line up. None of this, however, changes the fact that it is viewed by believers as inspired by God for the teaching of spiritual truths. Inspired by God does not equal written by God.

[101A]

I think that many people seem to confuse Christians with Fundamentalist Christians. Most Christians are not Fundamentalists. They realize that the Bible was written within certain contexts - historical, cultural, societal, literary - and that it is to be viewed in that way. They do not read each word as being something that literally happened (Adam and Eve) and they view the statements through the lens of the time in which they were written.

The writings of the Bible mean much more to you and become much richer if you know the norms of the culture and the practices of the society for which it was written. It does not mean that every statement applies across time. For example, there are statements about women covering their heads. Do some research and discover why it is that women were told at that time to cover their heads and you will see that it does mean that women have to cover their heads now. Similarly, look at some of the verses you like to pull and study the culture. For some of them you will find that what Jesus said was actually radical for that era.

It means much more if you can tell the difference between a historical book, a psalm, and the Book of Revelations (which is not to be taken literally). You know the difference now between biography, novel, poetry, and satire. You would not read satire as biography- would you? Well, the Bible works the same way. If you study who wrote it and when he wrote it and in what genre it was written, then you can understand it much better.

Also, any Bible scholar knows that multiple sources have been pulled together, even within certain books and even within certain stories. That is why you can look around and find things that do not line up. None of this, however, changes the fact that it is viewed by believers as inspired by God for the teaching of spiritual truths. Inspired by God does not equal written by God.

The goods.

BTW I am not, and do not pretend to be a Biblical Scholar; Raised Catholic; married a Baptist (she knows her bible!) - now we're non-denominated.

[Woo Bum-kon]

I interpret them as follows:

1: You can have slaves, as long as they're not Jews.

2: If you're son is acting up, get a bunch of dudes together and throw rocks at him until he is dead.

3: Kill gay people.

I don't do any of those things, btw. I don't think God would like it if I did.

Why? He wants those things done, right? So why would he not like it when people do what he wants them to do?

[Woo Bum-kon]

I think that many people seem to confuse Christians with Fundamentalist Christians. Most Christians are not Fundamentalists. They realize that the Bible was written within certain contexts - historical, cultural, societal, literary - and that it is to be viewed in that way. They do not read each word as being something that literally happened (Adam and Eve) and they view the statements through the lens of the time in which they were written.

The writings of the Bible mean much more to you and become much richer if you know the norms of the culture and the practices of the society for which it was written. It does not mean that every statement applies across time. For example, there are statements about women covering their heads. Do some research and discover why it is that women were told at that time to cover their heads and you will see that it does mean that women have to cover their heads now. Similarly, look at some of the verses you like to pull and study the culture. For some of them you will find that what Jesus said was actually radical for that era.

It means much more if you can tell the difference between a historical book, a psalm, and the Book of Revelations (which is not to be taken literally). You know the difference now between biography, novel, poetry, and satire. You would not read satire as biography- would you? Well, the Bible works the same way. If you study who wrote it and when he wrote it and in what genre it was written, then you can understand it much better.

Also, any Bible scholar knows that multiple sources have been pulled together, even within certain books and even within certain stories. That is why you can look around and find things that do not line up. None of this, however, changes the fact that it is viewed by believers as inspired by God for the teaching of spiritual truths. Inspired by God does not equal written by God.

Nah, I'm not going to spend time rationalizing this bullshit. You can do whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Blake]

I think you might need to ...um...get a life.

You could end up like your mentor with a gazillion posts and even less of a life- who am I kidding - this is your life.

:lmao

Does only having 7000 posts mean you have a life?

Get to work on that masterpiece you are promising.

[Blake]

I interpret them as follows:

1: You can have slaves, as long as they're not Jews.

2: If you're son is acting up, get a bunch of dudes together and throw rocks at him until he is dead.

3: Kill gay people.

I don't do any of those things, btw. I don't think God would like it if I did.

Then God would be a hypocrite.

[Blake]

The Bible is the the work of human beings. Human beings are fallible, greedy and have agendas. I read it ALWAYS with those FACTS firmly in mind.

So what is the logic in believing any of it?

Especially the magic parts?

[Blake]

Inspired by God does not equal written by God.

Semantics.

God still inspired man to write laws concerning slavery and gays.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The writings of the Bible mean much more to you and become much richer if you know the norms of the culture and the practices of the society for which it was written. It does not mean that every statement applies across time. For example, there are statements about women covering their heads. Do some research and discover why it is that women were told at that time to cover their heads and you will see that it does mean that women have to cover their heads now. Similarly, look at some of the verses you like to pull and study the culture. For some of them you will find that what Jesus said was actually radical for that era.

So how do you choose which edicts or tenants to follow? Is it just choose your own adventure because they way I see this interpretation is that there is no authority from any doctrine except what you and your friends make and decide you are going to do.

I think it's obvious that the doctrine was just stuff another group of people made up as they were going along but how on Earth can you say they were divinely inspired when it was written 2000 years ago?

[spursncowboys]

Nah, I'm not going to spend time rationalizing this bullshit. You can do whatever helps you sleep at night.

So attacking christians helps you sleep at night?

[spursncowboys]

Yes, I did. Jesus said to follow the teachings of the Old Testament. The teachings of the Old Testament condone slavery. Therefore, Jesus condones slavery. Or are you saying that Jesus disagrees with the word of God?



http://www.biblegateway.com

Condoning slavery:


Stoning children:



Killing homosexuals:



And Jesus saying that the Old Testament's teachings are still valid:



So, is The Bible the word of God or is it not?
In the scripture it doesn't seem like they are talking about children. I take it that to stone an adult.
The reason why Christians don't follow Leviticus and Deuteronomy is that all those rules were rules to live by to get to heaven. When Jesus died, he died for our sins. So we don't have to go through all that, and just have to ask for forgiveness. Now that is my view and my opinion and how I raise my family. I don't ever pretend to know much about religion or God, but I atleast read the Bible. I don't understand why you have such a negative view against something you can't even keep in context. Why you spend so much time argueing you aren't even willing to understand by reading. But whatever. I also don't understand why so many people are against Jesus' teachings as a philosopher. If anything read the Book of John and see what is so wrong about it. Not how religions have manipulated it but just the words. It's quite remarkable how revolutionary his views are.

[spursncowboys]

So how do you choose which edicts or tenants to follow? Is it just choose your own adventure because they way I see this interpretation is that there is no authority from any doctrine except what you and your friends make and decide you are going to do.

I think it's obvious that the doctrine was just stuff another group of people made up as they were going along but how on Earth can you say they were divinely inspired when it was written 2000 years ago?
None of the OT.

[Woo Bum-kon]

In the scripture it doesn't seem like they are talking about children. I take it that to stone an adult.
The reason why Christians don't follow Leviticus and Deuteronomy is that all those rules were rules to live by to get to heaven. When Jesus died, he died for our sins. So we don't have to go through all that, and just have to ask for forgiveness. Now that is my view and my opinion and how I raise my family. I don't ever pretend to know much about religion or God, but I atleast read the Bible. I don't understand why you have such a negative view against something you can't even keep in context. Why you spend so much time argueing you aren't even willing to understand by reading. But whatever. I also don't understand why so many people are against Jesus' teachings as a philosopher. If anything read the Book of John and see what is so wrong about it. Not how religions have manipulated it but just the words. It's quite remarkable how revolutionary his views are.

So, God was for slavery before, but he decided to be against it later? And for stoning children (I don't know how you got adults out of that passage), but later decided to be against it? You only read the parts of the Bible that you like, and rationalize all the parts the parts that you don't like. Why don't you just drop all of it?


So attacking christians helps you sleep at night?


Does worshipping a mass murderer help you?

[LnGrrrR]

Perhaps Silverblk has been brainwashed into thinking nearly everyone is brainwashed, meaning his belief might be invalid.

[Blake]

So attacking christians helps you sleep at night?

Defending society against christians does me.

[spursncowboys]

Does worshipping a mass murderer help you?
My actions affect no one but myself and family. Yours affects anyone your in contact with in a negative way( although I'm quite certain you aren't like this in person). Plus it shows your views are narrow minded and shallow. :toast.

[spursncowboys]

Defending society against christians does me.
How are you defending society?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

None of the OT.

How convenient.

From reading the Bible I get that Jesus rejected the OT version of sacrifice to gain the favor of God. To the contrary he was very explicit about it. I never got the impression that at any point Jesus or Paul who wrote the preponderance on the doctrine just gave carte blanche to the rest of it. Quite the contrary.

Christianity as convenience never appealed to me.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My actions affect no one but myself and family. Yours affects anyone your in contact with in a negative way( although I'm quite certain you aren't like this in person). Plus it shows your views are narrow minded and shallow. :toast.

Sure unless you 'minister' or otherwise proselytize. I think at that point it goes well beyond 'myself and my family' and I think it justified to speak against it.

If someone comes on here and starts talking about the flat earth nonsense then I am going to talk shit to them as well. Quite frankly if your beliefs cannot bear scrutiny then that speaks to the merit of said beliefs from where I sit.

[Woo Bum-kon]

My actions affect no one but myself and family. Yours affects anyone your in contact with in a negative way( although I'm quite certain you aren't like this in person). Plus it shows your views are narrow minded and shallow. :toast.

:tu Good job making shit up, idiot.

If being against child murder is narrow-minded and shallow, then I guess I am narrow-minded and shallow.

Have fun thinking you are better than I am because you worship a murderous tyrant, though. :toast

[Blake]

How are you defending society?

One way is by voting against nuts like Rick Perry that push their barbaric christian values into the political arena.