Baynes assigned to Torros, Joseph recalled

[smaka]

Per Spurs Twitter. Interesting move. Due to Blair's sighting...?:hat

[Sean Cagney]

He will be sent back next week.

[Bruno]

For Baynes, it might be only a 1 game stint for tonight's game.

I would like to see Joseph getting a legit shot at the backup PG spot. Mills has been inconsistent while De Colo and Neal are more suited to play SG.

[slick'81]

i would also like to how cojo has developed but i have a feeling next season hell get his chance

[Obstructed_View]

Excellent. So much for my post in the other thread. With the way Mills and Nando have completely failed to step up, expect Joseph to get thrown in the pool in the next few days. It's not too late for him to make the playoff rotation if he shows he can do it.

[AFBlue]

Hopefully it's to give CoJo a legit shot and not just to have an extra warm body because of the Neal and S-Jax injury.

[aal04]

Mills has been All-star inconsistent.

I like having him there.

He either gets on the court and goes god mode, or he becomes the invisible pillar.

We need someone with that spark and energy.

[DesignatedT]

Give Cojo a few games while Neal rests. Just to see what's there.

[lurker23]

This is a good potential move for both players, and I hope both get legitimate playing time. Baynes needs the reps to stay fresh and perhaps learn the system in a game setting. Joseph needs the chance to return to NBA-level competition and see if there's anything there for this season.

I sincerely hope Pop throws Joseph into the fire for 3-5 games to see if he can grab the backup PG position. He has the highest defensive ceiling of the potential backup PGs on the roster. If he can simply have a positive impact on the defensive end and manage the game on the offensive end during the 8-15 minutes that Tony is on the bench (a la Jacque Vaughn), then he's probably an upgrade over the uneven performance so far of De Colo and Mills.

[99 Problems]

Probably nothing more than Manu still feeling RRT and GNeal sore calf. But if he gets a couple of minutes it'll be good to have a look. But don't expect too much from Pop, just some caution.

[Pop]

Regarding Cojo that's an awesome and unexpected news with De Colo and Mills both shitting the bed more or less.

As for Baynes, hopefully Pop doesn't make Blair the fourth big or something while letting Baynes in the scrub league.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

good call tbh de colo and mills arent showing enough imo.. give cojo a chance at back up see if he can guard isaiah thomas see if he can run the pick and roll

[Bruno]

A sign that Joseph might get a legit shot is that Toros have made a trade a couple of days ago for another PG. :stirpot:

[tenbeersbold]

A sign that Joseph might get a legit shot is that Toros have made a trade a couple of days ago for another PG. :stirpot:

Coleman for Jefferson was a SG for SG trade though...

[cd98]

Baynes is failing the eye test. Better to go sharpen his skills against D League scrubs.

[Captivus]

Give Cojo a few games while Neal rests. Just to see what's there.

This. He needs minutes as PG, none of that Mills / Cojo Combo

[playblair]

yoooooooooo everyting in my spurs dreams are falling into place ....................

1. blair gets a legit playoff spot rotation ..........................

2. cojo gets a legit shot at the back up pg spot .........................

http://cdnl.complex.com/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/MUSIC/2013/02/content/projectpat.gif

[Pop]

yoooooooooo everyting in my spurs dreams are falling into place ....................

1. blair gets a legit playoff spot rotation ..........................

2. cojo gets a legit shot at the back up pg spot .........................


:lol :toast

But seriously no Blair please, why is Pop even playing him now that the trade deadline is over??

[Pop]

Baynes is failing the eye test. Better to go sharpen his skills against D League scrubs.

Looks way better defensively than the turd towers. Glad for him that he didn't sign 3 years, under Pop he may never see the light of the day. I wouldn't put past Pop to try to re-sign both turd towers tbh.

[ace3g]

If Blair could hit his jumper consistently, use the power dribble move more often, and eliminate most of those lackadaisical passes/TOs; sure I'd have confidence in him getting minutes...

[playblair]

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[Bruno]

Coleman for Jefferson was a SG for SG trade though...

I've seen Jefferson being listed both as a SG and a PG.

[TheyCallMePro]

This is awesome, I love Cory Joseph. Great defender, underrated shooter, makes good decisions. I know Parker is great but Cojo IS the second best pure point guard on this team. Baynes continues to look lost out their, this just isn't his season. I really hope Cojo gets a chance during this home stretch.

[ChumpDumper]

I've seen Jefferson being listed both as a SG and a PG.Honestly I don't know what happened to him, but I'm not even sure if Jefferson could play regular backup minutes behind Tre kelley at this point. Looks like a bunch of NBA teams have had their D-League affiliates make trades so they can get good looks at players (Canton got Austin's Kyle Weaver and the Toros got a pick in a four team trade, for example) but getting Dontell Jefferson is kind of a head scratcher. Maybe there's some medical problem the Spurs think they can help with or want to see him through rehab -- I just don't know why he's playing so much worse than when he got called up a few years back.

[cd98]

Looks way better defensively than the turd towers. Glad for him that he didn't sign 3 years, under Pop he may never see the light of the day. I wouldn't put past Pop to try to re-sign both turd towers tbh.

I'd have to disagree. While Blair and Bonner are not very good defenders (although their defensive liabilities tend to be exaggerated on this site), Baynes has not shown himself to be an improvement in his limited minutes. The game is still too fast for him and he is a step slow. I've also seen him to be foul prone. But even if you could show that Baynes was a better defensive player (I don't see the evidence), he clearly is not very good offensively. At least from what I've seen in limited minutes.

Alternatively, Blair and Bonner have skills that, in the right situation, can be useful. Bonner is a great three point shooter in the regular season. Emphasis on regular season. Blair is pretty good at generating turnovers and is a great passer and fairly decent, mobile finisher off pick and roles. So they have decernable NBA skills.

Baynes hasn't shown he has that in what I've seen. Doesn't mean it was a waste to get him. I think the Spurs realize that they can't beat everyone to the best Euros anymore, so maybe he's trying to get some of them before they develop into good Euros. That said, Baynes needs a lot of work to be servicable. He's not there yet and the D League is his best hope right now.

[tenbeersbold]

I've seen Jefferson being listed both as a SG and a PG.
OK,just didnt seem like a pot stirring worthy trade to me ;)

[Pop]

I'd have to disagree. While Blair and Bonner are not very good defenders (although their defensive liabilities tend to be exaggerated on this site), Baynes has not shown himself to be an improvement in his limited minutes. The game is still too fast for him and he is a step slow. I've also seen him to be foul prone. But even if you could show that Baynes was a better defensive player (I don't see the evidence), he clearly is not very good offensively. At least from what I've seen in limited minutes.

Alternatively, Blair and Bonner have skills that, in the right situation, can be useful. Bonner is a great three point shooter in the regular season. Emphasis on regular season. Blair is pretty good at generating turnovers and is a great passer and fairly decent, mobile finisher off pick and roles. So they have decernable NBA skills.

Baynes hasn't shown he has that in what I've seen. Doesn't mean it was a waste to get him. I think the Spurs realize that they can't beat everyone to the best Euros anymore, so maybe he's trying to get some of them before they develop into good Euros. That said, Baynes needs a lot of work to be servicable. He's not there yet and the D League is his best hope right now.

He's the best rebounder on the bench, that enough to do whatever it takes to get him acclimated imo rather than play Blair who is a proven defensive liability or Bonner the choker, but I'm not surprised one bit Pop choses to go with the turd towers.

[E-RockWill]

So, w/ the new rules regarding D-League call ups, does this mean the CoJo is here to stay?

[lurker23]

So, w/ the new rules regarding D-League call ups, does this mean the CoJo is here to stay?

Players can be sent up and down an unlimited number of times. It was the old rule that had the limit.

[KaiRMD1]

I expect Cojo to be in civilian clothes come playoff time. He got called up so he can have courtside seats to the playoffs........unless he explodes in garbage time.

[in2deep]

unfortunately Pop will run with what he got. TP, Manu and Neal :pctoss

[ace3g]

If you want to watch tonight's game, it will be on FSSW at 7:30 pm CST as well as YT link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Oic1YDjdlnE

[AFBlue]

I expect Cojo to be in civilian clothes come playoff time. He got called up so he can have courtside seats to the playoffs........unless he explodes in garbage time.

Playoffs are 20+ games away, so it's definitely not that.

He either got called up because they expect to be without Neal and Jackson for more than the next couple games (in which case he'll ride the pine), or because the staff feels he's earned an opportunity to play for the backup PG spot. I'm hoping it's the latter, because I really think he can take it.

[DapDaGenius]

As much as I don't like Blair at times, I don't understand why he keeps getting benched when he is doing well in the game(just going off of a thread someone made about Blair and that he should've stayed in the game recently).

Hopefully Blair can be consistent off the bench. And Blair was 7-9...pretty nice.

[playblair]

As much as I don't like Blair at times, I don't understand why he keeps getting benched when he is doing well in the game(just going off of a thread someone made about Blair and that he should've stayed in the game recently).

Hopefully Blair can be consistent off the bench. And Blair was 7-9...pretty nice.

http://i.imgur.com/aUgE0.gif

[Obstructed_View]

I expect Cojo to be in civilian clothes come playoff time. He got called up so he can have courtside seats to the playoffs........unless he explodes in garbage time.
If that were the plan, wouldn't he have been called up for the RRT?

[loveforthegame]

Happy for Cojo. Hope he gets the chance to win a spot in the rotation.

[DapDaGenius]

http://i.imgur.com/aUgE0.gif

lol

[cd98]

Playoffs are 20+ games away, so it's definitely not that.

He either got called up because they expect to be without Neal and Jackson for more than the next couple games (in which case he'll ride the pine), or because the staff feels he's earned an opportunity to play for the backup PG spot. I'm hoping it's the latter, because I really think he can take it.

If, with 20 games left, Pop is turning to Cojo to see if he can handle back up point guard for 20 games and the playoffs, we are screwed. That's not enough time to prep an inexperienced player for the intensity of the playoffs. It may be the case, though.

[loveforthegame]

Baynes with some nice passes.

[loveforthegame]

Nice block by Baynes and then the dunk on the other end.

[AFBlue]

If, with 20 games left, Pop is turning to Cojo to see if he can handle back up point guard for 20 games and the playoffs, we are screwed. That's not enough time to prep an inexperienced player for the intensity of the playoffs. It may be the case, though.

"Screwed" is a little dramatic. He could win the job in the reg season, but if he wets the bed in the playoffs there are three options to take over the role.

I look at it like this...you know what you have in the other two guys, but giving Joseph a shot (even if it's a long one) is no-lose. He either proves he's too green for the big show, or he surprises and shows just how good of a system player he is.

[Captivus]

shame on the 2 quick fouls...lets see what he does now

[Capt Bringdown]

yoooooooooo everyting in my spurs dreams are falling into place ....................

1. blair gets a legit playoff spot rotation ..........................

2. cojo gets a legit shot at the back up pg spot .........................



In the playoffs there's a much greater concentration on fundamental basketball X and O's and in this environment Blair simply cannot compete, as we've seen time and time again. Blair fans want Blair to succeed on Blair's terms - more PT - and are seemingly willing to pay any price to see Blair's mug on the court.
Spurs fans want Blair nailed to the bench or even better, off the team entirely, for he is a liability and not an asset.

Simply turn the equation around. Imagine if we were going against a team with a turd such as Blair in the playoff lineup, you'd be licking your chops. Blair cannot guard anyone in the paint. Defense wins championships. Not 6'5" forwards who are easily exploited and abused.

[ace3g]

Baynes with 12 of 16 pts in the 4th quarter while playing with 5 fouls; helped the Toros finally take the lead. Left hook has been one of his go to moves and had a nice left handed block.

[loveforthegame]

Another solid game from Baynes. :tu

[Libri]

I think the callup means that Joseph is making some strides. Hope he gets an opportunity to show his progress.

[Hoops Czar]

For Baynes, it might be only a 1 game stint for tonight's game.

I would like to see Joseph getting a legit shot at the backup PG spot. Mills has been inconsistent while De Colo and Neal are more suited to play SG.

De Colo can't hit the broad side of a barn and you want him to play shooting guard? Even Pop has more sense than that.

[Boomersgold]

For Baynes, it might be only a 1 game stint for tonight's game.

I would like to see Joseph getting a legit shot at the backup PG spot. Mills has been inconsistent while De Colo and Neal are more suited to play SG.

I'm not sure why most people on this forum say that Mills has been inconsistent. He's had much less time to showcase himself on the court due to most of the backup minutes going to De Colo the last few weeks. When he does play though, he gets a positive +/-, which is what the point of basketball is--to outscore the other team. All of the play making and "real point guard duties" are done by Manu, so all Patty has to do is get open for jumpshots, something that he does well.

Gary Neal plays a similar role as Patty, but his questionable shot selection, and the fact that he's in a shooting slump don't necessarily make him a clear upgrade over Mills. He's also much slower than Patty, which makes it harder form him to bring up the ball and defend quicker, athletic guards.

De Colo's a great back up point guard IF he has the ball in his hands and is the one that initiates the plays. Unfortunately for him, Manu also needs the ball in his hands when he's on the court, which forces De Colo to play a spot up shooter role. This being his first season, I don't think he has the confidence (yet) to consistently knock down threes or wide open jump shots in the playoffs.

I'm all for Cojo getting a chance, but isn't it a bit too late into the season to begin experimenting with someone who hasn't been with the team for the majority of the season so far? :(

[TheGoldStandard]

Baynes needs an offseason to work into the system, get stronger and learn his role with the team but he looks like he genuinely wants to be there and is trying to earn that spot. As for Joseph, keep working him when you can but as far as him having a big role in the playoffs I don't see it happening. The kid is young though, lots of potential and has had a lot of time to learn the system, he'll get his chance and he'll be successful when he does.

First year for Nando so there is still that foreign learning curve, he's much better when he's creating but like mentioned above he's usually out there with Manu. Just hope that we get a dose of some true PG's rather than questionable Gary Neal dribbling into corner, dribbling off his foot or taking bad forced shots.

[SPIDER2311]

Baynes needs an offseason to work into the system, get stronger and learn his role with the team but he looks like he genuinely wants to be there and is trying to earn that spot. As for Joseph, keep working him when you can but as far as him having a big role in the playoffs I don't see it happening. The kid is young though, lots of potential and has had a lot of time to learn the system, he'll get his chance and he'll be successful when he does.

First year for Nando so there is still that foreign learning curve, he's much better when he's creating but like mentioned above he's usually out there with Manu. Just hope that we get a dose of some true PG's rather than questionable Gary Neal dribbling into corner, dribbling off his foot or taking bad forced shots.

Baynes get stronger? Think he is strong enough

[Bruno]

I'm not sure why most people on this forum say that Mills has been inconsistent. He's had much less time to showcase himself on the court due to most of the backup minutes going to De Colo the last few weeks. When he does play though, he gets a positive +/-, which is what the point of basketball is--to outscore the other team. All of the play making and "real point guard duties" are done by Manu, so all Patty has to do is get open for jumpshots, something that he does well.

Mills got a shot to get the backup PG in November and he wasn't convincing. After that first month, it's true that most of the backup PG minutes went to De Colo or Neal in the few games where everyone was healthy. Should Mills get another shot? That's debatable...



De Colo's a great back up point guard IF he has the ball in his hands and is the one that initiates the plays. Unfortunately for him, Manu also needs the ball in his hands when he's on the court, which forces De Colo to play a spot up shooter role. This being his first season, I don't think he has the confidence (yet) to consistently knock down threes or wide open jump shots in the playoffs.

I don't know how you can say that Manu forces the PG to play a spot up shooter role while he has been paired successfully for a decade with Parker that isn't at all a spot up shooter.

Ginobili playmaking skills can help a PG with weaknesses in that area like Mills, Neal or before them Hill. However, it's not because has these skills that he can't play alongside a playmaker. With Manu aging, it's might be even be better for him to be paired with a player that can help to create plays.

I'm not sold on De Colo at PG but it's mostly because of a lack of quickness and the fact that he turns the ball way too much at that spot. A potential misfits with Manu is nowhere near being a top issue for me.



I'm all for Cojo getting a chance, but isn't it a bit too late into the season to begin experimenting with someone who hasn't been with the team for the majority of the season so far? :(

Even if it's likely too late, it's worth the try because Joseph can be so much better defensively than Mills/De Colo/Neal.

[Boomersgold]

I don't know how you can say that Manu forces the PG to play a spot up shooter role while he has been paired successfully for a decade with Parker that isn't at all a spot up shooter.


Thanks for the response, Bruno. Maybe it's true that Manu having the ball in his hands for the majority of a possession doesn't always force the point guard to be a spot up shooter, as in Parker's case, but that's not what I, myself, see when De-Colo and Manu share the floor. When Manu's dribbling the ball (and playing the role of the play maker), De Colo just hangs out at the three point line with his hands in the "catch and shoot" position. Isn't that we define as a spot-up shooter? I found that De Colo is much more effective when he's running the show himself.

I don't think we can compare De Colo to Parker at all. Parker has the ability to drive it in and lay it up at will. He also has a great mid range jumper that he can consistently rely on. The point is, Parker can set up plays for himself. I don't think De Colo is at a stage where he can do this yet, hence why he isn't effective at all, according to the pairing statistics on timvp's thread, when paired with Manu.

Pop's most reliable backup guard come playoff time will probably end up being Gary Neal again. He's the only backup guard who's been given a spot in the regular rotation on a consistent basis.

[adonis827]

why is yahoo showing baynes as waived?

[Captivus]

Baynes with 12 of 16 pts in the 4th quarter while playing with 5 fouls; helped the Toros finally take the lead. Left hook has been one of his go to moves and had a nice left handed block.

I only watched the 1st half, but the Toros backcourt option are ugly. Baynes was just standing there hoping for a lay-up miss to catch the rebound, not much play calling.
The defense is so soft that Baynes ends up standing there waiting for a guy whos running for a dunk starting at the 3pts line, no one stops him and Baynes add fouls.

[hater]

Baynes sucks. next.

[Bruno]

...

+/- stats for De Colo are just really bad:
Spurs without De Colo (2266 minutes): +493
Spurs with De Colo (601 minutes): -7

This is the kind of stat that should push Pop to kick De Colo out of the rotation for the rest of the season. De Colo's rookie season hasn't been all bad and he should be better as a sophomore but this year might just not be his.

Now, a little stat to help your "Free Mills" campaign:
The best NBA pair this year (minimum 100 minutes played together) is Mills/Ginobili with a +30.5 points scored per 100 possessions: http://bkref.com/tiny/7ZwxC

[Boomersgold]

+/- stats for De Colo are just really bad:
Spurs without De Colo (2266 minutes): +493
Spurs with De Colo (601 minutes): -7

This is the kind of stat that should push Pop to kick De Colo out of the rotation for the rest of the season. De Colo's rookie season hasn't been all bad and he should be better as a sophomore but this year might just not be his.

Now, a little stat to help your "Free Mills" campaign:
The best NBA pair this year (minimum 100 minutes played together) is Mills/Ginobili with a +30.5 points scored per 100 possessions: http://bkref.com/tiny/7ZwxC

Great. Now if only Pop could see this.

[rjv]

joseph has earned a shot at backup PG, if not for his own merit, by the inconsistent play of mills and de colo at least.

[ace3g]

dan mccarney ‏@danmccarneysaen (https://twitter.com/danmccarneysaen) Baynes recalled after one-game stint with toros.

[bklynspursfan]

Pounding the Rock ‏@poundingtherock (https://twitter.com/poundingtherock)
San Antonio Spurs recall Aron Baynes from the Austin Toroshttp://sbn.to/WsBngV (http://t.co/dzTHnvV1l3)

[bklynspursfan]

Jeff McDonald ‏@JMcDonald_SAEN (https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN)
Meantime, Aron Baynes recalled after playing one game in Austin. Ought to be active with Diaw out.

[Darkwaters]

Baynes is failing the eye test. Better to go sharpen his skills against D League scrubs.

Are you serious? Baynes passes the eyeball test with flying colors. Hes huge, has deceptive athleticism, has nice form on his jumper and already shows a knack for rebounding and blocking shots from time to time. What he needs is time to adapt and learn the system. But hes definitely passing the eyeball test.

Next season he has a nice chance at being a nice rotation player.

[TJastal]

This is so 'effing stupid on so many levels.... Pop adding yet more confusion and chaos to an already chaotic situation. And i guess we can all expect plenty of bonner and blair this playoffs. Spurs will be eliminated in 1st or 2nd round and sad thing is this team had potential to win it all handily.

[ChumpDumper]

This is so 'effing stupid on so many levels.... Pop adding yet more confusion and chaos to an already chaotic situation. And i guess we can all expect plenty of bonner and blair this playoffs. Spurs will be eliminated in 1st or 2nd round and sad thing is this team had potential to win it all handily.lol TJ mad.

There's a good chance both Baynes and Joseph would stay assigned had the injuries not occurred.

[Strategic]

On the Yahoo NBA homepage in the transactions stream is stated that the Spurs waived Aron Baynes?

NBA Transactions

Last updated through games completed on Mar 1, 2013


Player

Team

Position

Comment



DJ White (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4491)

Bos

PF

Signed to 10-Day Contract



Aron Baynes (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5150)

SA

C

Waived



Will Bynum (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3999)

Det

PG

Reinstated from Suspension



Roy Hibbert (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4479)

Ind

C

League Suspension One game for fighting




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Just wondering, is he suited up tonight?

[ChumpDumper]

On the Yahoo NBA homepage in the transactions stream is stated that the Spurs waived Aron Baynes?

NBA TransactionsLast updated through games completed on Mar 1, 2013


Player
Team
Position
Comment


DJ White (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4491)
Bos
PF
Signed to 10-Day Contract


Aron Baynes (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5150)
SA
C
Waived


Will Bynum (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3999)
Det
PG
Reinstated from Suspension


Roy Hibbert (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4479)
Ind
C
League Suspension One game for fighting



View All Transactions » (http://www.spurstalk.com/nba/trans)Nice formatting.

[cd98]

Are you serious? Baynes passes the eyeball test with flying colors. Hes huge, has deceptive athleticism, has nice form on his jumper and already shows a knack for rebounding and blocking shots from time to time. What he needs is time to adapt and learn the system. But hes definitely passing the eyeball test.

Next season he has a nice chance at being a nice rotation player.

his best game was against the worst team in the league. He's slow in the NBA. He fouls half the time he sets a pick. His few low post touches have resulted in awkward shots. His big, but hasn't shown he knows how to use his size to own the boards. At least that's my opinion. Obviously it's his first year in the league and he came here midseason, so he can improve. But I don't see why he shouldn't be wearing a suit during the playoffs.

[BackHome]

You would rather have Bonner going up against Zach and Paul Gasol?

[TheGoldStandard]

You would rather have Bonner going up against Zach and Paul Gasol?
Zach Randolph eats Red Mambas for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner.

[cd98]

You would rather have Bonner going up against Zach and Paul Gasol?

Zach would destroy Bonner, Baynes, and 3/4 of the bigs in the NBA.

[chapnis]

On the Yahoo NBA homepage in the transactions stream is stated that the Spurs waived Aron Baynes?

NBA Transactions

Last updated through games completed on Mar 1, 2013


Player
Team
Position
Comment


DJ White (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4491)
Bos
PF
Signed to 10-Day Contract


Aron Baynes (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5150)
SA
C
Waived


Will Bynum (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3999)
Det
PG
Reinstated from Suspension


Roy Hibbert (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4479)
Ind
C
League Suspension One game for fighting



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Just wondering, is he suited up tonight?
Must be confused with his assignment to the Toros.

[BatManu20]

Liked what I saw out of Cojo tonight. You can tell just how much he's improved in one year. Defense was always there, but his jump shot has improved by leaps and bounds.