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DUNCANownsKOBE

03-14-2013, 03:55 PM

Apparently the Amendola deal was agreed to on Tuesday before the Welker to Denver talk. Now it's starting to make sense how this happened. Welker was asking for 8-9 million, Belichick went with his contingency plan because he expected a retarded team to give Welker 8-9 million a year, and then it was too late once Welker figured out he was only gonna get 6 million since having him and Amendola would be retarded.

That explains how everything transpired, but it makes Belichick look even more stupid for buying into the bullshit that Welker would get 8-9 million in the open market. I said all along he wouldn't get close to that regardless of how many receptions he had.

Chinook

03-14-2013, 03:58 PM

I feel bad for Williams. He's a good guy. It's gonna suck watching him sink on the Dream Team Redux.

Blake

03-14-2013, 03:59 PM

I would think you'd be even more animated about New England choosing someone else over Welker.

It matters because Welker being a former Tech player is the only reason you care in the first place.

Yeah of course I keep up with him, root for him because he went to Tech. Same with Danny. I already said this deal makes no sense at least twice. Should i have said it in caps to appear less like a homer?

Here's my honest opinion as honest as I can make it:

If the Pats let Welker go because they don't want to pay when they already have Edelman, that would make absolutely perfect sense from a cap standpoint.

But it's retarded to offer a less proven player with no chemistry with Brady more money.

Happy for Danny getting paid at the expense of the stupid Pats, feel bad for Wes getting financially fucked, although getting passes from PM will be pretty cool.

Pretty much it.

Chinook

03-14-2013, 04:02 PM

I'll feel better after the Ravens get that fifth-round compensatory pick, though.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-14-2013, 04:06 PM

If the Pats let Welker go because they don't want to pay when they already have Edelman, that would make absolutely perfect sense from a cap standpoint.
Amendola's contract saves them cap space (initially) over Welker's contract. The fact they agreed w/ Amendola before they had any idea they could get Welker for 6 million a year also explains this one.

it's retarded to offer a less proven player with no chemistry with Brady more money.
Amendola's cap figure for the next two years will be lower than Welker's cap figure. Welker's contract is also entirely guaranteed while Amendola's is only 33% guaranteed.

for Danny getting paid at the expense of the stupid Pats, feel bad for Wes getting financially fucked, although getting passes from PM will be pretty cool.
How did Welker get financially fucked? He got the best available deal in the open market. Is it really that hard to wrap your brain around the reality no team thought Welker was worth more than 6 million a season? Did the Patriots owe him more than his market value because he's such a tough lil' guy?

Monostradamus

03-14-2013, 04:15 PM

btw the contract NE offered Welker was incentive laden and could have gotten him to the 8-9 million range, but i guess he wasn't so confident he could reach those performance levels. I guess if "don't drop routine passes in playoff games" was an incentive, it makes sense to turn that offer down.

Blake

03-14-2013, 04:35 PM

Amendola's contract saves them cap space (initially) over Welker's contract. The fact they agreed w/ Amendola before they had any idea they could get Welker for 6 million a year also explains this one.

Amendola's cap figure for the next two years will be lower than Welker's cap figure. Welker's contract is also entirely guaranteed while Amendola's is only 33% guaranteed.

New England had better use every last dollar of cap room because that's their only excuse. Brady obviously did his deal to help keep Wes.....not help send him to a rival QB.

How did Welker get financially fucked? He got the best available deal in the open market. Is it really that hard to wrap your brain around the reality no team thought Welker was worth more than 6 million a season? Did the Patriots owe him more than his market value because he's such a tough lil' guy?

He may have fucked himself since he signed so quick. Wes deserves a long term deal if anyone does because he's been incredibly productive. Life ain't fair sometimes. I feel bad for the lil tough guy that led the AFC in receptions yet again.

Monostradamus

03-14-2013, 04:36 PM

Cause massa Snyder doesn't know how to manage the salary cap
:lmao your sig

Blake

03-14-2013, 04:37 PM

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-14-2013, 04:41 PM

New England had better use every last dollar of cap room because that's their only excuse. Brady obviously did his deal to help keep Wes.....not help send him to a rival QB.
Brady did his deal to give his team more cap flexibility to put better players around him.

may have fucked himself since he signed so quick. Wes deserves a long term deal if anyone does because he's been incredibly productive. Life ain't fair sometimes. I feel bad for the lil tough guy that led the AFC in receptions yet again.
Long term deals are given out based on expected future production, not past production. Teams don't pay players for what they've already done. This concept seems to evade you like any remotely analytical concept evades Wild Cobra.

Blake

03-14-2013, 04:48 PM

Brady did his deal to give his team more cap flexibility to put better players around him.

Please. Why are you trying to spin it. We all know Brady is pissed.

Long term deals are given out based on expected future production, not past production. Teams don't pay players for what they've already done. This concept seems to evade you like any remotely analytical concept evades Wild Cobra.

Welker isn't 40 years old on his last leg.

This whole thing was personal and not in the best interest of the team, plain and simple. Any argument you or the pats make otherwise is Wild Cobra weak.

Monostradamus

03-14-2013, 04:49 PM

Interesting. Link?
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=9050742&city=boston

lookd like 8 million per is as high as it would go tbh

Monostradamus

03-14-2013, 04:53 PM

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9051254/bill-barnwell-second-day-nfl-free-agency

Another interesting article

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-14-2013, 04:55 PM

Please. Why are you trying to spin it. We all know Brady is pissed.
Welker is one of many veterans Brady has seen leave the team in spite of him taking a contract well below what he'd get on the open market. Maybe he's a little disappointed, but he's not pissed.

Welker isn't 40 years old on his last leg.

This whole thing was personal and not in the best interest of the team, plain and simple. Any argument you or the pats make otherwise is Wild Cobra weak.
Now you're totally changing the subject. Whatever personal grudge there was between the Patriots and Welker has nothing to do with why the 31 other teams in the NFL didn't want to offer him more than what he got. Are you now resorting to Longhornfan level of homerism where you use Jeff Fisher as the reason why Vince Young can't get a job with the 31 NFL teams not coached by Jeff Fisher?

As far as what transpired, it's pretty clear now. They moved on and went after Amendola on Tuesday because they thought Welker would command 8-9 million a year (which was obviously a retarded conjecture on their part). If they thought they could get Welker for 2 years/12 million before they committed to Amendola, they would have done so.

Blake

03-14-2013, 05:08 PM

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=9050742&city=boston

lookd like 8 million per is as high as it would go tbh

Thanks. I had found it. I'm sure any incentive would be hard to reach with the threat of the Hoodie benching him purely out of spite.

Tennessee had offered 2 year $15 mill, so yeah, Wes financially fucked himself to play with a contender.

Blake

03-14-2013, 05:12 PM

7. Tom E. Curran of Comcast SportsNet New England noted that this showdown*was about respect. We agree. It got personal. Curran points out the*Patriots*didn't have coach*Bill Belichick*or owner Robert Kraft involved during contract talks at a meeting last summer. It was advisor Floyd Reese, who didn't have the authority to make a deal.

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000150652/

benefactor

03-14-2013, 05:16 PM

Barwin to the Eagles is done. Not a big loss tbh. He can underperform for them now.

Blake

03-14-2013, 05:16 PM

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-14-2013, 05:22 PM

UPDATE 5:45 p.m. ET: We had initially interpreted Curran’s report as saying Brady himself was “enraged” about Welker leaving. Curran hasn’t heard what Brady’s frame of mind is but has heard from a person close to Brady who is “enraged.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/13/report-tom-brady-enraged-patriots-let-wes-welker-go/
Yes, this is yesterday's news. What are you trying to say?

Neither me nor mono claim it didn't get personal, that's just not what led to them choosing Amendola. They chose Amendola before they knew they could have Welker for the same price.

djohn2oo8

03-14-2013, 05:23 PM

Leon Washington signs with Patriots

Lincoln

03-14-2013, 05:26 PM

djohn2oo8

03-14-2013, 05:29 PM

Barwins deal is fucking retarded. Long and overpaid.

Fred Davis will be back with the redskins which is great fucking news. Arguably our number 1 receiving weapon (him or garçon) who was having a good year before he tore his Achilles. Better than Logan Paulson rofl.
Hell yeah. Especially that he only had 3 fucking sacks last year, and that's WITH Watt beasting and being double and triple teamed.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-14-2013, 05:34 PM

Leon Washington signs with Patriots
Gross.

Hopefully this means Woodhead is out the door.

Blake

03-14-2013, 05:35 PM

Yes, this is yesterday's news. What are you trying to say?

Neither me nor mono claim it didn't get personal, that's just not what led to them choosing Amendola. They chose Amendola before they knew they could have Welker for the same price.

That might make sense had they not signed Amendola so quickly. Were they really so scared that Danny was going to get away?

I'm saying it's obvious Brady is pissed.

Raven

03-14-2013, 05:39 PM

Thanks. I had found it. I'm sure any incentive would be hard to reach with the threat of the Hoodie benching him purely out of spite.

Tennessee had offered 2 year $15 mill, so yeah, Wes financially fucked himself to play with a contender.

:downspin:

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-14-2013, 05:42 PM

That might make sense had they not signed Amendola so quickly. Were they really so scared that Danny was going to get away?
Reports say they were scared of the scenario where they lose out on both Amendola and Welker so they went with the sure thing and figured Welker would get what he wants in the open market. I think they played it wrong and miscalculated a lot of shit, but the personal animosity isn't why they let Welker leave.

saying it's obvious Brady is pissed.
You're posting Tom Curran backing off the statement that Brady is pissed as proof that Brady is pissed?

djohn2oo8

03-14-2013, 06:47 PM

Aaron Wilson‏@RavensInsiderEd Reed is definitely staying overnight for his Texans visit, told "It's looking serious," per a source.

Adam Schefter‏@AdamSchefter
Ravens S Ed Reed spoke today like a man saying goodbye to Baltimore. Every sign now points to him getting done a deal in Houston on Friday.

Pelicans78

03-14-2013, 06:56 PM

How good is Keenan Lewis?

djohn2oo8

03-14-2013, 07:09 PM

lol Flacco destroying that team.

Chinook

03-14-2013, 07:13 PM

Michael Bennett to Seattle on a $5M/1 deal. That's really surprising.

Chinook

03-14-2013, 07:14 PM

lol Flacco destroying that team.

Nothing to do with Flacco. I'd buy the Harbaugh power-play conspiracy over that.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-14-2013, 07:21 PM

Seattle's D is gonna be unreal next year.

djohn2oo8

03-14-2013, 08:14 PM

Hearing Texans looking to make 2 more solid moves in FA maybe.

DeadlyDynasty

03-14-2013, 08:52 PM

The steal of FA so far is Manny Lawson

gaKNOW!blee

03-14-2013, 09:16 PM

How good is Keenan Lewis?

Very good...I believe led the league in PD's and rated well on PFF.

Blake

03-14-2013, 09:50 PM

Reports say they were scared of the scenario where they lose out on both Amendola and Welker so they went with the sure thing and figured Welker would get what he wants in the open market. I think they played it wrong and miscalculated a lot of shit, but the personal animosity isn't why they let Welker leave.

eh. We'll see if something doesn't surface about that later. It's hard to believe they let him walk so easily.

You're posting Tom Curran backing off the statement that Brady is pissed as proof that Brady is pissed?

On it's own, no, but put it all together, I think there is plenty of evidence to suggest he is.

Since the Pats did the same thing to him in '05 with Branch, I don't know how he wouldn't be pissed after getting fucked the same way yet again.

I guess it's theoretically possible but realistically, lol no fucking way.

Chinook

03-14-2013, 10:45 PM

TIMMYtoZO

03-14-2013, 10:56 PM

Seattle's D is gonna be unreal next year.

But their O won't be. They have a dumb chimp QB at the helm. That D will only do so much. :lol

HarlemHeat37

03-14-2013, 11:04 PM

But their O won't be. They have a dumb chimp QB at the helm. That D will only do so much. :lol

:lol Can't wait for Russell Wilson's hindu-looking ass to get exposed like Cam Newton was last year, tbh..

Clipper Nation

03-14-2013, 11:12 PM

The Chiefs' grotesquely overrated offseason rolls on with the signing of Sean Smith, easily the most overhyped corner in the league.... he was graded only 52nd in coverage among all cornerbacks last season by PFF, yet there was somehow a decent market out there for this guy and he was considered one of the best in free agency, tbh.... Derek Cox is better when healthy...

TIMMYtoZO

03-14-2013, 11:23 PM

:lol Can't wait for Russell Wilson's hindu-looking ass to get exposed like Cam Newton was last year, tbh..

Teams will adjust to him much easier. :lol

JMarkJohns

03-15-2013, 12:46 AM

Problem there being his tackling is even worse than his coverage :lol

Free safety playing centerfield.

But yeah.

LnGrrrR

03-15-2013, 09:29 AM

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 09:31 AM

eh. We'll see if something doesn't surface about that later. It's hard to believe they let him walk so easily.

On it's own, no, but put it all together, I think there is plenty of evidence to suggest he is.

Since the Pats did the same thing to him in '05 with Branch, I don't know how he wouldn't be pissed after getting fucked the same way yet again.

I guess it's theoretically possible but realistically, lol no fucking way.
The fact he didn't get pissed when he went into a season with Doug Gabriel and Reche Caldwell as his receivers in 2006 only demonstrates he won't get pissed as long as they use their cap space this offseason.

Raven

03-15-2013, 10:00 AM

Monostradamus

03-15-2013, 10:02 AM

Blake

03-15-2013, 10:14 AM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uIIaAfwnWoE/TzA4wJTp3KI/AAAAAAAAE_Q/Sc7pxfdkEr4/s400/tom-brady-crying.jpg

...but I restructured my contract

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 10:32 AM

I think some flak really has to start falling on Belichick. The Patriots have had too many high draft picks, too much cap space, and too many players wanting to take discounts to play for him for them to lack as much talent as they do now. Either the Patriots aren't bringing in the right players, or the coaching staff is failing to develop them properly. As far as I understand it, both of those things fall on Belichick's shoulders.

How do Pats fans feel about their team needing another off-season to address needs they've had for years now? Am I wrong in believing Belichick has been off the last few years (at least with the defense)?
As bad as his talent evaluation looks, his player development on defense has been even worse since 2007. The amount of 1st and 2nd rounders he's wasted on defense would have gotten any coach/GM who isn't regarded be the general public as a football genius fired. His problem is that he tries to address needs on defense every year but creates new needs by changing the defense every year and never properly developing players.

His big problem is a lackluster coaching staff on defense. He let his ego get the best of him for years when he was head coach/defensive coordinator. A lot of the players he's drafted had talent falling out of their ears and had promising rookie seasons, but they regressed and were eventually cut due to a lack of development. As I just said he also enhances this problem by switching between a 4-3 and a 3-4 every year when he's got one of the youngest defenses in the NFL that needs continuity and stability to develop.

Belichick fucked up with all of these defensive players either by misjudging talent, developing them horribly or some combination of the two-
Terrence Wheatley
Shawn Crable
Ron Brace
Ras-IR Dowling
Brandon Meriweather
Patrick Chung
Darius Butler
Tyrone McKenzie
Jermaine Cunningham

Maybe his drafting on offense hasn't been as bad, but there are a few big needs on offense he's been completely unable to address that aren't as noticeable because of Brady, namely an outside receiving threat to replace Branch and Givens after they left, which is especially important since Deion Branch and David Givens wouldn't cut it at receiver in today's NFL. Outside of being gifted Randy Moss by the worst organization in the NFL, he's either signed free agent receivers who suck or drafted receivers who suck. His most notable fuckups here were picking Chad Jackson over Greg Jennings and Brandon Tate over Mike Wallace. Shane Vereen is good, but picking a backup running back over Torrey Smith was also pretty fuckin stupid.

The offensive line was also extremely overrated for years and it was basically addressed by accident. Dan Koppen had been horrible in 3 straight playoff games (2007 Giants, 2009 Ravens, 2010 Jets) and he only lost his job because of a season ending ankle injury in 2011. The garbage they had at right guard from 2007-2010 also wasn't addressed till Brian Waters fell into their lap as a cheap pickup right before the season started. Additionally, as good as Logan Mankins is, he's a choker. He was beyond bad in both superbowls against the Giants.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 10:34 AM

Adrian Wilson, John Abraham, and Dwight Freeney all visiting New England today.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 10:36 AM

I think Bill understood where the league was headed, he just had a shitty gameplan. if you have a top QB and an elite offense you can win a title, you really don't need an elite defense to win. The Saints and Packers proved that. What Bill did wrong was in his defensive scheme. If you want to win with a weak defense, your D has to be overly aggressive at forcing turnovers, like the Saints and Packers. Bill not only had a shitty defense, but he played it ultra conservative and never tries to blitz or have his DB's jump routes. So instead of getting burned on big plays all game but force 2-3 turnovers as well, his defense just gets burned nonstop.
This, and additionally those Saints and Packers teams had talent all over the field on offense. Their receiving corps consisted of more than a bunch of athletically inferior midgets who "Run really good routes!"

Chinook

03-15-2013, 10:56 AM

not really, i am very satisfied with the talent level on the team, without back-to-back gronkowski injuries we'd probably be two time superbowl winners, this year the defense made major strides, i trust bill to grab another reciever and a corner and that should be it..

I think the Patriots defense is a dinosaur. The front seven is big and consists of guys who specialize at stopping the run. Chandler Jones is one of my favorite young players, but I don't think he fits there. Meanwhile, the secondary can't cover, and the linebackers can help them due to their lack of athleticism. In a passing league, that's a recipe for disaster. Not to mention that teams that specialize in running the ball can still do so on that line. The Ravens got several good runs straight up the middle, and even more by bouncing to the outside and outrunning the defense.

On offense, there's no reason why the Patriots still lack legitimate receivers. They've had the picks and passed on Torrey Smith, Randal Cobb, and many others. They should have to rely on so many free agents.

Chinook

03-15-2013, 11:00 AM

The Dolphins have interest in signing Dennis Pitta to an offer sheet (second-round tender).

That says so much about both team's off-seasons so far. Personally, I'd take the damned pick.

Darth_Pelican

03-15-2013, 11:00 AM

How good is Keenan Lewis?

Anything is better than the midgets that we had last year. When you have the worst statistical defense in the history of the NFL, you have nowhere to go but up. Lewis has size and great instincts. I think he had the 2nd lowest completion percentage of all passes thrown his way last year.

However, the Saints biggest problem still remains a pass rush. When a QB has all day to throw the ball, WR's are going to get open against even the best CBs.

Monostradamus

03-15-2013, 11:19 AM

The Dolphins have interest in signing Dennis Pitta to an offer sheet (second-round tender).

That says so much about both team's off-seasons so far. Personally, I'd take the damned pick.
Miami is spending a lot of money to build an 9 win team. That thing is headed for disaster.

Chinook

03-15-2013, 11:31 AM

Miami is spending a lot of money to build an 9 win team. That thing is headed for disaster.

And giving up the 41st overall pick for the privilege.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 11:35 AM

The Dolphins have interest in signing Dennis Pitta to an offer sheet (second-round tender).

That says so much about both team's off-seasons so far. Personally, I'd take the damned pick.
:lmao the dolphins giving up an early 1st rounder for pitta when they just signed Keller

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 12:16 PM

John Abraham finalizing deal with Pats

Emmanuel Sanders is visiting today. Pats would have to give 3rd rounder to sign him.

Also, Amendola's deal is for 27.7 million, not 31 million. His total cap hit this year will be $3,500,000 so having him over Welker does initially save $2,500,000 in cap room.

DontStopBelieving

03-15-2013, 01:08 PM

Sure they overpaid Mike Wallace by 2-3 mil or so, but what else warrants the hate some of you are giving them? They got younger, quicker, and cheaper at 2 linebacker positions, and signed a pretty decent stopgap TE for a year. They had over 40 mil in caproom, they HAD to spend some money :rolleyes

Trill Clinton

03-15-2013, 01:08 PM

kolb released
http://i45.tinypic.com/dpxr7s.jpg

DontStopBelieving

03-15-2013, 01:11 PM

Miami is spending a lot of money to build an 9 win team. That thing is headed for disaster.

7m a year for cook :lol
jeff fisher :lol
8-8 team for years to come :lol

LnGrrrR

03-15-2013, 01:13 PM

I think Bill understood where the league was headed, he just had a shitty gameplan. if you have a top QB and an elite offense you can win a title, you really don't need an elite defense to win. The Saints and Packers proved that. What Bill did wrong was in his defensive scheme. If you want to win with a weak defense, your D has to be overly aggressive at forcing turnovers, like the Saints and Packers. Bill not only had a shitty defense, but he played it ultra conservative and never tries to blitz or have his DB's jump routes. So instead of getting burned on big plays all game but force 2-3 turnovers as well, his defense just gets burned nonstop.

This, although I think that BB trusted his secondary and pass rush so little that was a reason they played conservatively. When we got Talib, we became much more aggressive with the pass rush and it worked in our favor. Losing Talib against Baltimore hurt. (Which shows how shoddy the cb's are for us.)

Honestly, the New England defense is built wrong right now. We've got a decent ability to stop the run, and no ability to stop the pass. Whereas with our quick strike capability, we shouldn't care if they move the chains on the ground.

J.T.

03-15-2013, 01:33 PM

benefactor

03-15-2013, 02:04 PM

Ed Reed leaving Houston.

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

Fuck

J.T.

03-15-2013, 02:10 PM

Ed Reed leaving Houston.

Yes yes yes yes yes yes

I came

Fify

Blake

03-15-2013, 02:40 PM

This, and additionally those Saints and Packers teams had talent all over the field on offense. Their receiving corps consisted of more than a bunch of athletically inferior midgets who "Run really good routes!"

.....I asked a rival offensive coordinator about that yesterday and he replied: “Numbers don’t lie. They score all the time. The reason they aren’t winning Super Bowls anymore is they don’t have a physical defense anymore. There’s not one guy on defense we had to game plan for.

“In ’03 and ’04, you worried about (Willie) McGinest and (Mike) Vrabel and (Tedy) Bruschi. You worried about (Rodney) Harrison and (Ty) Law and (Asante) Samuel. I almost forgot (Richard) Seymour and he’s the one you worried about the most. Change their offense? Why?“If you’re going to change, why bring in (Danny) Amendola? He’s the same guy as Welker, just not as tough or as good.”The idea that offense is preventing the Patriots from another Duck Boat Parade down Boylston flies in the face of the facts.

Despite the middle of the field allegedly being littered with too many receivers, the Patriots led the NFL in scoring two of the last three years and finished third the other season.In the two years prior, before the alleged glut of receivers over the middle, they finished sixth and eighth in scoring and seventh and 13th in passing touchdowns. So the fact is the offense scored*more points*with Welker, Gronkowski and Hernandez as the main focus.........

http://bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/ron_borges/2013/03/borges_patriots_top_rated_offense_not_the_cause_of _super

Blake

03-15-2013, 02:43 PM

7m a year for cook :lol
jeff fisher :lol
8-8 team for years to come :lol

lol Tannehill

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 02:57 PM

DoK, Darius Butler played pretty well with the Colts (3 INT, 1 Fumble recovery, 2 pick-6) as a midseason pickup last year. I was told when Ryan Grigson signed him, he said something to the effect of "If you can't make it as a DB in Indy, you might as well be a leper as far as the other 31 teams are concerned." Lit a fire under his ass or just had a lucky stretch last year?
He was New England's best corner his rookie year and then fell apart afterwards (like LnGrrrR said, our secondary coaching staff is horrible). I'd say he just needed to find the right team in order to realize his talent, so it wasn't a lucky stretch.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 03:06 PM

Monostradamus

03-15-2013, 03:11 PM

Cool article Blake

Maybe the Patriots could have used that amazing regular season offense that's really successful against juggernauts like the Dolphins and Bills to score more than 13 points against Baltimore in the playoffs.

They'll need a slot receiver who can catch third down passes that Brady puts right in his hands tbh. Maybe Amendola is that guy.

Lincoln

03-15-2013, 03:13 PM

I have a feeling we will get talib...

Lincoln

03-15-2013, 03:15 PM

Sign talib, resign MeAngelo, resign Fred Davis(Leader in targets, receptions, and yards before he went down), draft a free safety in the 2nd round and a RT in the 3rd= we staaaaaaaaaaaaackeeedddddddd

Lincoln

03-15-2013, 03:17 PM

One thing that is a positive from this salary cap penalty is it forces us to build primarily through the draft and get younger. We should be set next yr once we get our 36 million in cap space back.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 03:18 PM

I have a feeling we will get talib...
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I'm not sure why you're so sure Washington will be able to do something that puts them over the salary cap

Lincoln

03-15-2013, 03:23 PM

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I'm not sure why you're so sure Washington will be able to do something that puts them over the salary cap

IIRC they have josh Wilson lined up to restructure if they get a verbal from talib

Clipper Nation

03-15-2013, 03:23 PM

The Chargers just signed Danny Woodhead.... hopefully McCoy knows how to use him correctly (i.e. not running him up the middle every down like Norv did with Sproles), tbh...

Lincoln

03-15-2013, 03:23 PM

Dumervil has been released.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 03:26 PM

The Chargers just signed Danny Woodhead.... hopefully McCoy knows how to use him correctly (i.e. not running him up the middle every down like Norv did with Sproles), tbh...
Thanks for taking him off our hands since McDaniels thought running Woodhead up the middle on draw plays would "catch the D by surprise!"

Blake

03-15-2013, 03:31 PM

Cool article Blake

Maybe the Patriots could have used that amazing regular season offense that's really successful against juggernauts like the Dolphins and Bills to score more than 13 points against Baltimore in the playoffs.

Maybe the Patriots will keep fixing what's not broken on offense and completely miss the playoffs.

I'll bet you Danny's stats and NE's offensive stats are worse than Wes's and the team's was this past year. I'll also bet you NE does not get to the SB.

It's beyond me how you guys have no love loss for a guy that put up the numbers Welker did. I'd almost think you were trolling it's so ridiculous.

Clipper Nation

03-15-2013, 03:33 PM

Thanks for taking him off our hands since McDaniels thought running Woodhead up the middle on draw plays would "catch the D by surprise!"

As long as McCoy and Whisenhunt don't do stupid shit like that with him, I'll be happy, tbh.... PFF actually graded him the highest of all your running backs last season even with all those draw plays, though...

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 03:38 PM

Maybe the Patriots will keep fixing what's not broken on offense and completely miss the playoffs.
Probably not since Tom Brady alone enables them to win 12 games and the AFC east every year. The AFC and particularly the AFC East is so weak that gimmicks like whoring your slot receiver is all that's needed to make the playoffs.

I'll bet you Danny's stats and NE's offensive stats are worse than Wes's and the team's was this past year. I'll bet you NE does not get to the SB.
I'll bet you they win just as many or more superbowls without Wes Welker as they did with Wes Welker.

Howeva, I concede that if a team's goal is to put up really sexy regular season offensive stats then lose in the playoffs, Wes Welker can play a critical role on that team.

It's beyond me how you guys have no love loss for a guy that put up the numbers Welker did. I'd almost think you were trolling it's so ridiculous.
I'd almost think you were trolling the way you pretend Wes Welker made Tom Brady and New England's offense, not the other way around.

The fact no team wanted to pay Welker for more than 2 years and for nearly as much as top receivers make demonstrates your views on Wes Welker are much more distorted than mine.

Chinook

03-15-2013, 03:46 PM

Blake

03-15-2013, 03:52 PM

I'd almost think you were trolling the way you pretend Wes Welker made Tom Brady and New England's offense, not the other way around.

The fact no team wanted to pay Welker for more than 2 years and for nearly as much as top receivers make demonstrates your views on Wes Welker are much more distorted than mine.

I don't pretend that wide receivers make the QB and I wouldn't want to over pay receivers myself.

But letting your QB's favorite security blanket walk at the savings of a couple million is unspinnably stupid. The chances are very high the offense will not be as good as usual for at least first half of the season.

Keep trying to spin it as a good move though so I can bump this thread next year when the Pats get knocked out again.

Clipper Nation

03-15-2013, 03:54 PM

The Broncos had to release Dumervil because they didn't get his signature for the pay cut until seven minutes after the deadline. The resulting cap hit may prevent them from signing him.

:lol Donks
:lol Raiders-esque front office ineptitude
:lol Having to cut Dumervil due to not having their shit together
:lol Signing Welker instead of improving the secondary
:lol John "Norv 2.0" Fox as the coach
:lol Playoff Peyton
:lol Rahim Moore

Monostradamus

03-15-2013, 04:14 PM

next year when the Pats get knocked out again.

As opposed to all those titles they have with Welker?

Chinook

03-15-2013, 04:22 PM

As opposed to all those titles they have with Welker?

I was going to say that. Unless Welker has a Jacoby-like turnaround for the Broncos (making multiple clutch plays in the post-season), there will be no reason why the Patriots should feel like not having Welker keep them from winning. He hasn't put them over the top for the last five years.

Blake

03-15-2013, 04:30 PM

As opposed to all those titles they have with Welker?

they just made it harder to win one.

but keep pretending they're better off now that he's gone so I can lol even more at the worse results next year.

Monostradamus

03-15-2013, 04:36 PM

they just made it harder to win one.

but keep pretending they're better off now that he's gone so I can lol even more at the worse results next year.

LOL advancing in the playoffs is incredibly difficult even if your team is stacked. Making 3 straight championship games would be tough even with Welker.

But since you're gonna play the percentages and pray they fall in your favor, how about an ELE bet that the Patriots get just as far without Welker?

Chinook

03-15-2013, 04:51 PM

The Ravens signed Marcus Spears to a $3.55M/2 deal. That's strange, considering how many good d-linemen Baltimore has now. Ngata may move inside to the nose.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 04:55 PM

Keep trying to spin it as a good move though so I can bump this thread next year when the Pats get knocked out again.
Right, bump this thread when the Patriots make the playoffs and lose just like they were doing with Welker.

That'll really make me look stupid.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 04:56 PM

but keep pretending they're better off now that he's gone so I can lol even more at the worse results next year.
Who said they were better off with Amendola instead of Welker?

Clipper Nation

03-15-2013, 04:58 PM

The Cardinals just signed Antoine "Burnt Toast" Cason.... thanks for taking our garbage, Arizona :tu

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 05:00 PM

The Cardinals just signed Antoine "Burnt Toast" Cason.... thanks for taking our garbage, Arizona :tu
:cry I wanted him in New England (UA bias)

Was he that bad last year? His first few years he looked like he was gonna be a good corner but he must have regressed since then.

Chinook

03-15-2013, 05:06 PM

:cry I wanted him in New England (UA bias)

Was he that bad last year? His first few years he looked like he was gonna be a good corner but he must have regressed since then.

He'd have fit right in with the Patriots seconardy, then.

Blake

03-15-2013, 05:06 PM

LOL advancing in the playoffs is incredibly difficult even if your team is stacked. Making 3 straight championship games would be tough even with Welker.

But since you're gonna play the percentages and pray they fall in your favor, how about an ELE bet that the Patriots get just as far without Welker?

I don't like ele bets. Sig bet or cash would be ok. Just saying i told you so would also be ok.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 05:08 PM

I don't like ele bets. Sig bet or cash would be ok. Just saying i told you so would also be ok.
I'll bet you $100 that Welker has less than 1,000 receiving yards in Denver this year.

Clipper Nation

03-15-2013, 05:10 PM

:cry I wanted him in New England (UA bias)

Was he that bad last year? His first few years he looked like he was gonna be a good corner but he must have regressed since then.
PFF ranked him as one of the worst corners in football last year, tbh..... he personally gave up 38 1st downs and 5 touchdowns....

Trust me, the Pats were better off not signing him, imho.... the fact that the best he could get for his second contract is a 1-year, $2 mil deal with a shitty team says it all...

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 05:18 PM

The same wench who supposedly has a source giving her info ahead of time is saying that New England has given Emanuel Sanders an offer sheet, so the only question is if he signs it since Pittsburgh is highly unlikely to match.

DeadlyDynasty

03-15-2013, 05:51 PM

I'll bet you $100 that Welker has less than 1,000 receiving yards in Denver this year.

That's an interesting bet...Peyton's had 3 1000-yd receivers in a season before (one of them being Stokely), but his arm was admittedly better then.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 06:17 PM

Greg Jennings to Minnesota

SpursRock20

03-15-2013, 06:44 PM

Greg Jennings to Minnesota

Skol Vikes!

DPG21920

03-15-2013, 08:06 PM

Injury Prone Jennings

benefactor

03-15-2013, 08:19 PM

Blake

03-15-2013, 09:14 PM

Imagine how you'd feel if Amendola didn't go to Tech.

There are some ways it makes sense even though I would have just kept Welker rather than risk Brady having to mesh with a new slot receiver. Welker's contract has more guaranteed money, Amendola is younger, bigger, and faster, and Brady hasn't developed a habit of forcing balls into good coverage when throwing to Amendola.

Who said they were better off with Amendola instead of Welker?

Amendola has a better contract, he's physically superior but you're not saying they are better off.

Ok.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-15-2013, 09:22 PM

Amendola has a better contract, he's physically superior but you're not saying they are better off.

Ok.
That post was listing reasons why it could make sense to pick Amendola over Welker.

I also explicitly said (in the post you quoted :lmao) I'd take Welker because of Amendola's injuries and the fact Welker has already developed great chemistry with Brady while Amendola is an unknown.

Chinook

03-15-2013, 09:35 PM

312688380049780736

Cheap ass Texans. What a bunch of fuckups. You seed the GM in the owner's plane to pick him up, wine him and dine him and give him the full court press only to let a million a year keep you from signing him?

Embarrassing.

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

On Ed Reed, his plan is to be patient with this, as much as he can be ... No plans to visit anyone else at this point, but that could change
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I'm starting to think that Ed just wants to experience what it's like to be a marquee free agent. He's been a star for a long time, but he's been under contract for six years, and he was on his rookie deal before that. Just like Ray before him, he wants to be courted by teams. I think it's Reed's preference to stay in Baltimore. The Ravens won't really have any cap room until Boldin comes back to the States, takes his physical and officially gets traded. So even if the Ravens and Reed agreed to a deal, they can't sign it until a week or so from now. Why not take advantage of the benefits of being a free agent while you can?

That being said, there's talk that the Ravens don't really want Reed back. All the movements they've made shows they aren't really concerned about keeping their core together. If that conspiracy nonsense has any merit, then that just furthers the chances of Reed playing elsewhere. There's also limited money to go around (about $9 Million in cap remaining for the Ravens), so it's hard to see how the Ravens can give Reed a good contract AND fill their holes at tackle and linebacker. Ozzie can get it done, but he may not think Ed's worth the trouble.

Monostradamus

03-15-2013, 10:11 PM

Adrian Wilson to NE is official....not bad i guess. Would rather see them go after Reed but oh well.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 10:52 AM

Talib re-signs with New England to a 1 year deal

Raven

03-16-2013, 11:50 AM

some good moves from NE... now vollmer and edelman and there should still be like 10M to spend in i don't know what..

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 12:27 PM

Being able to get Vollmer (hopefully) and Talib back without having to give them long term deals is huge. I see Vollmer's health being a long term problem so they have another year to develop his replacement.

Blake

03-16-2013, 02:34 PM

That post was listing reasons why it could make sense to pick Amendola over Welker.

I also explicitly said (in the post you quoted :lmao) I'd take Welker because of Amendola's injuries and the fact Welker has already developed great chemistry with Brady while Amendola is an unknown.

Yeah, you rode the fence pretty good in that post.

Blake

03-16-2013, 02:40 PM

That's an interesting bet...Peyton's had 3 1000-yd receivers in a season before (one of them being Stokely), but his arm was admittedly better then.

it's about a 50/50 chance imo. It's also a bet that has little to do with anything here.

A bet regarding Danny's numbers makes more sense.

ace3g

03-16-2013, 02:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk2F_Y-SNQ0

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 02:58 PM

Yeah, you rode the fence pretty good in that post.
Not really. I clearly explained why it makes sense in several areas to choose Amendola over Welker, but then said I would have picked Welker since the chemistry he had with Brady was worth more than every reason why one would pick Amendola.

Saying stuff like Amendola costs less and has better length is simply stating fact in response to you saying there's no reason they'd choose Amendola unless it got personal with Welker.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 03:07 PM

it's about a 50/50 chance imo. It's also a bet that has little to do with anything here.
So it's a bet you're not taking since you know Welker's numbers will take a dive without the offense and QB that made him relevant. What shocker there.

It also has plenty to do with everything here since you claim Wes Welker is an elite receiver who'll be productive wherever he goes. Obviously you don't feel too strongly about that claim.

A bet regarding Danny's numbers makes more sense.
I'd be more than willing to bet on Amendola's numbers if an injury clause that cancelled the bet was included (and I'd let you include that if you wanted to bet on Welker's numbers).

Trill Clinton

03-16-2013, 03:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk2F_Y-SNQ0

karma

Boston Pancake

03-16-2013, 03:58 PM

it's about a 50/50 chance imo. It's also a bet that has little to do with anything here.

A bet regarding Danny's numbers makes more sense.

Blake you are one wicked retahded homo. If i wasn't so busy plowing your ex wife i'd come kick your ass Beantown style. As it is, she needs constant dickings along with a lot of administering my namesake, the Boston Pancake. For the uninitiated, a Boston Pancake is when you shit all over some slut's chest, then flatten your shit with your asscheeks. After that you jerk off all over your own flattened shit (the syrup) and spoonfeed her the shit and cum pancake with the head of your cock. Blake's wife loves it when the mighty Boston Pancake gives her a wicked good Boston Pancake.

Clipper Nation

03-16-2013, 04:27 PM

Pats are cutting Brandon Lloyd.... who's Brady gonna throw to when Amendola gets hurt?

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 04:41 PM

Pats are cutting Brandon Lloyd.... who's Brady gonna throw to when Amendola gets hurt?
Tbh there's supposedly a high probability Lloyd is gonna re-sign but this cut is horrible if he doesn't. Even with Lloyd their receiving group was still a bunch of soft bred pussies who'd fold against a team like the 2010 Jets, 2011 Giants, or 2012 Ravens.

It's pretty simple, if they don't add a physical receiver who can make plays in tight coverage (since according to Techfan the Wes Welker superbowl drop was a historically difficult catch he would have had to make in great coverage) they're not winning another superbowl. Lloyd wasn't that receiver but he was a good 2nd option and cutting him makes their receivers suck that much more. I wish I could tell you what the plan is.

I'm anticipating another playoff loss where they score 13-17 points while the defense, after playing well in the 1st half, folds because it's been on the field with little to no rest due to a series of 3 and outs from the offense. Then after the game we'll hear about how the Patriots defense is why they lost.

monosylab1k

03-16-2013, 05:22 PM

monosylab1k

03-16-2013, 05:23 PM

btw Dok does Adrian Wilson still have anything?

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 06:00 PM

btw Dok does Adrian Wilson still have anything?
He hasn't been the same since arizona lost antrel rolle because of how good rolle was in coverage. If mccourty can transition over to safety with a full offseason as well as rolle did then itll make wilson a lot better. He's still good at blitzing and cleaning plays up at the LOS. At the very least hell make it so at least someone in the secondary scares receivers.

Chinook

03-16-2013, 06:11 PM

Dumervil to meet with the Ravens next week.

Wouldn't that be something?

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 06:18 PM

I think, assuming they get Emmanuel Sanders, that the receiving crew is solid. Amendola and Hernandez in the slot, Gronk and Ballard for their 12 formation, Jones on the outside and Sanders deep. If Gronknandez is healthy we'll be fine.

They need to be wining and dining Dumervil right now tbh. I don't think old ass Freeney or Abraham will cut it. A tandem of Jones/Dumervil will be pretty damn good tho
Donald jones is horrible and Emmanuel sanders isn't much of a deep threat at all. Idk how you think those two will be good enough as the two outside threats. I'd say what they had last year with branch and Lloyd was better tbh

Clipper Nation

03-16-2013, 07:13 PM

Dumervil to meet with the Ravens next week.

Wouldn't that be something?
And that's why I wasn't about to write the Ravens off after Flacco signed that big contract, tbh....

Chinook

03-16-2013, 07:17 PM

And that's why I wasn't about to write the Ravens off after Flacco signed that big contract, tbh....

The Ravens still have enough money to sign Dumervil and re-sign Reed and McKinnie. If they get that done, then it's really about what they do in the draft and whether their injured players and come back healthy.

If not Dumervil, someone like James Harrison as a third-down guys may not be bad.

monosylab1k

03-16-2013, 07:24 PM

Donald jones is horrible and Emmanuel sanders isn't much of a deep threat at all. Idk how you think those two will be good enough as the two outside threats. I'd say what they had last year with branch and Lloyd was better tbh

Steelers forums seem pretty upset over losing Sanders. Sanders is a shitload faster than Lloyd.

monosylab1k

03-16-2013, 07:28 PM

I can see Jones filling a Gaffney type role with the team. Nothing especially great but reasonably prductive as the 4th or 5th option.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 07:33 PM

Steelers forums seem pretty upset over losing Sanders. Sanders is a shitload faster than Lloyd.
He's another undersized slot receiver when they needed an outside threat more than 6' tall. They needed a nigfreak receiver and he sure as hell ain't it.

Meanwhile, Bills fans were happy to see Jones leave because of how bad he is.

monosylab1k

03-16-2013, 07:43 PM

He's another undersized slot receiver when they needed an outside threat more than 6' tall. They needed a nigfreak receiver and he sure as hell ain't it.

Prime Randy Moss or anything close to it isn't available. Steelers fans seem to think Sanders has potential to be a Boldin type receiver. He's not a burner but scouting reports say he has enough speed and athleticism to stretch the field to keep defenses honest. I hate when Brady throws deep anyways because his deep ball is shit. But obviously we at least need a guy that defenses will respect, instead of Brady trying to bomb it to Brandon Tate or some shit.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 07:56 PM

Prime Randy Moss or anything close to it isn't available. Steelers fans seem to think Sanders has potential to be a Boldin type receiver. He's not a burner but scouting reports say he has enough speed and athleticism to stretch the field to keep defenses honest. I hate when Brady throws deep anyways because his deep ball is shit. But obviously we at least need a guy that defenses will respect, instead of Brady trying to bomb it to Brandon Tate or some shit.

Anquan Boldin - 6'1" 218
Emmanuel Sanders - 5'11" 186

I don't understand that comparison at all since Boldin is the opposite of a speed guy. They didn't need prime Randy Moss. They need a receiver that isn't an undersized pussy who can make plays in tight coverage against physical secondaries and can consistently beat single coverage. Donald Jones sure as fuck isn't that guy, and I doubt Emmanuel Sanders is either. I don't give a shit about his 40 time or what Steelers fans think. As you said, Brady's deep ball sucks, so it's not gonna be successful when he's throwing to a midget under 6 feet tall as that requires a perfectly thrown deep ball into a tight window. Defenses won't respect it anymore than his deep balls to Lloyd or Welker.

Gronk can be the physical receiver who makes plays against good coverage, but if Belichick is building the receiving corps with the expectation Gronk will be healthy then he's a fuckin moron. Gronk's made it clear partying with other topless dudes (lol the white Vince Young) is his highest priority and he'll risk injury in the process.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 08:00 PM

Tbh the one hope I'm counting on making a midseason trade for a receiver like they did for Talib last year. I give it a few weeks into the season before Santonio Holmes and the Jets have had enough of each other and they look to unload him ASAP even if it's to their rival.

monosylab1k

03-16-2013, 08:04 PM

So who do you want that's available?

monosylab1k

03-16-2013, 08:06 PM

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 08:10 PM

So who do you want that's available?
1) I wouldn't have waived Lloyd
2) DHB
3) Braylon Edwards

It's a long shot, but 2 and 3 have the physical potential to become the receiver they need. Emmanuel Sanders doesn't.

I see what you're saying that the wide receivers available this year were trash, but I'd much rather them sign a few boom or bust receivers than replace a bunch of midgets with more midgets.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 08:12 PM

LOL ":cry i dont want some 5-11 190 lb midget but i really hope they trade for a guy that's 5-11 190 lbs"
I'll make an exception when the 5'11" midget has caught a superbowl winning pass in triple coverage.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 08:17 PM

I probably wouldn't be bitching if they kept Lloyd and signed Sanders (which hasn't been done yet) since that is an unquestionable improvement over last season. My frustration stems from them thinking Donald Jones is capable of being a starter on a superbowl team just as much as it stems from them thinking Emmanuel Sanders is gonna be the outside threat that both replaces Lloyd and adds the element they need.

Blake

03-16-2013, 10:01 PM

So it's a bet you're not taking since you know Welker's numbers will take a dive without the offense and QB that made him relevant. What shocker there.

It also has plenty to do with everything here since you claim Wes Welker is an elite receiver who'll be productive wherever he goes. Obviously you don't feel too strongly about that claim.

Welker wouldn't do much of anything in Arizona. I would never make a silly claim like that.

And Wes getting 1000 in Denver proves nothing. Danny getting 110+ rec 1200 yards though would prove Wes was extremely expendable.

I'd be more than willing to bet on Amendola's numbers if an injury clause that cancelled the bet was included (and I'd let you include that if you wanted to bet on Welker's numbers).

You want an injury clause on Danny. Shocker!

Even though Welker getting 1000 is a meaningless bet, I'll take you up on it, if we include injury clause to both Welker and Manning.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-16-2013, 11:31 PM

Welker wouldn't do much of anything in Arizona. I would never make a silly claim like that.

And Wes getting 1000 in Denver proves nothing. Danny getting 110+ rec 1200 yards though would prove Wes was extremely expendable.

You want an injury clause on Danny. Shocker!

Even though Welker getting 1000 is a meaningless bet, I'll take you up on it, if we include injury clause to both Welker and Manning.
What's the clause you want? Lets make it an official bet tbh.

Raven

03-17-2013, 08:50 AM

tbh i think we're drafting a reciever in the first or second round..

Raven

03-17-2013, 09:01 AM

justin hunter seems like the perfect type for dok to be happy :married:

monosylab1k

03-17-2013, 11:56 AM

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-17-2013, 02:46 PM

Meh, receivers generally take 2 years in the NFL before they finally develop into quality players. And on top of that almost every receiver Belichick has drafted sucks. He can't evaluate receivers for shit.
This. The time to draft a receiver was 2011 when the receiver class had a few beast prospects and they had two first round picks. The only receivers I'd want belichick drafting are guys like aj green and Julio jones who a 12 year old could tell would dominate in the nfl.

This year there aren't any cant miss receiving prospects and all of them have potential to be the next chad Jackson.

Blake

03-18-2013, 09:32 AM

What's the clause you want? Lets make it an official bet tbh.

An injury clause for both Welker and Manning. If Welker misses 8 total quarters or PM misses 12 total quarters of action for any reason, bet is null. Fair enough?

Even if Welker hits 1000, why would that make him elite in Denver, but hitting 1500 in NE doesn't mean anything because Troy Brown etc etc.

That makes no sense.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-18-2013, 09:40 AM

An injury clause for both Welker and Manning. If Welker misses 8 total quarters or PM misses 12 total quarters of action for any reason, bet is null. Fair enough?

Even if Welker hits 1000, why would that make him elite in Denver, but hitting 1500 in NE doesn't mean anything because Troy Brown etc etc.

That makes no sense.
K fair enough I accept those terms.

As for the rest of the question I never said that would make him elite tbh, I just don't think it'll happen with Manning's reduced throwing ability.

Blake

03-18-2013, 11:22 AM

K fair enough I accept those terms.

As for the rest of the question I never said that would make him elite tbh, I just don't think it'll happen with Manning's reduced throwing ability.

If it does happen, does it make him elite, yes or no.

Chinook

03-18-2013, 07:21 PM

The Ravens are apparently in "deep negotiations" with Dumervil, according to NFL Network.

benefactor

03-18-2013, 08:27 PM

That's good for Houston tbh. The Ravens were the only other team that really scared me as far as the Ed Reed situation goes.

Chinook

03-18-2013, 08:32 PM

That's good for Houston tbh. The Ravens were the only other team that really scared me as far as the Ed Reed situation goes.

Not that they'll use it, necessarily, but the Ravens should have enough money for both.

benefactor

03-18-2013, 08:41 PM

Them using it was more the angle I was taking. If they didn't go after an impact free agent with the cap space I was worried they would outbid Houston. With them looking like they are retooling the defense I think they will use that money elsewhere and not burn most of the rest of it on Reed.

J.T.

03-19-2013, 09:31 AM

Colts signed Matt Hasselbeck to be Luck's backup. Played in West Coast offense for most of his career, which the Colts are switching to. He's not a top shelf elite QB but he's been in the league for a long time and has played well so I can dig this. 2013 Colts are looking much improved already and we haven't even had the draft yet.

benefactor

03-19-2013, 08:18 PM

Chinook

03-19-2013, 09:08 PM

Ravens may move on from Ed Reed sooner than later.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-plan-to-meet-with-michael-huff-within-next-week-sources-say-20130319,0,3937195.story

Ozzie lets more player rule him. If Reed thinks the Ravens will blink, he has another thing coming. They know he's more likely to retire after next season than play three more. No way they get caught up in dead money from that.

That being said, it's possible the Ravens would sign both Huff and Reed. They have two safety spots to fill. I know that Huff is a free safety, but I think the Ravens are moving away from a FS/SS back end and more toward a WS/SS alignment. That could explain the Pollard release. They have Christian Thompson penciled in to fill Pollard's spot now. He's pretty much a free safety.

djohn2oo8

03-20-2013, 06:01 PM

Jason La Canfora ✔ JasonLaCanfora

Future Hall of Fame safety Ed Reed has agreed to terms with the Texans, ending his Ravens career.

benefactor

03-20-2013, 07:27 PM

Houston...we have a semen cloud.

Chinook

03-20-2013, 07:41 PM

Houston...we have a semen cloud.

Congrats on landing him. :toast

I do think a $12M/2 year with $7M guaranteed is overpaying, though. But at least it gets Baltimore a better compensatory pick.

benefactor

03-20-2013, 07:45 PM

It's not too bad...I expected somewhere between 5 to 6 million per year. They needed to do what they had to do to get it done because the other options left on the market would have made letting Quin go look like a massive fail.

Spur-Addict

03-21-2013, 10:10 AM

Bears offered a 1 year/2 Million dollar deal to Urlacher. He said it wasn't worth what he'd put his body through, at least not for Chicago :lol

monosylab1k

03-21-2013, 10:14 AM

Bears offered a 1 year/2 Million dollar deal to Urlacher. He said it wasn't worth what he'd put his body through, at least not for Chicago :lol

Urlacher's retarded. He basically gave away all negotiating leverage. He said he never expected to get the 6 million a year he asked for, that he was willing to go as low as 3.5 a year, and then yeah basically said he would play for 2 million for another team. His agent must have been screaming in his office that whole interview.

Spur-Addict

03-21-2013, 10:17 AM

Urlacher's retarded. He basically gave away all negotiating leverage. He said he never expected to get the 6 million a year he asked for, that he was willing to go as low as 3.5 a year, and then yeah basically said he would play for 2 million for another team. His agent must have been screaming in his office that whole interview.

Wow, what an idiot. I guess he expected more out of sheer respect for what he has done over the years despite removing his own leverage. Probably didn't think at all tbh.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-21-2013, 10:28 AM

Idk why players get pissed off at teams asking them to take a "hometown discount" but then ask their team to give them more than what they can get anywhere else as a "demonstration of respect". It's insanely hypocritical.

Spur-Addict

03-21-2013, 10:54 AM

Chinook

03-21-2013, 11:26 AM

Rodgers' new deal is going to be a doozie.

When it comes to value, don’t expect another nudging of the bar by a quarter inch or so. With Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4677/joe-flacco) getting $20.1 million per year roughly eight months after Saints quarterback Drew Brees (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/591/drew-brees) receiver $20 million annually, Rodgers could go as high as $23 million annually.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/21/aaron-rodgers-closing-in-new-deal/

There are rumblings of a $100M/4 deal or even up to a $30 annual salary.

Stupid teams will remain stupid, I guess.

djohn2oo8

03-22-2013, 10:17 AM

Ed Reed being introduced right now.

djohn2oo8

03-22-2013, 10:24 AM

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/edreed_zps4e472390.png

djohn2oo8

03-22-2013, 10:51 AM

Surreal. And his contract is fucking awesome.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/reedjersey_zps34027f43.png

benefactor

03-22-2013, 11:21 AM

Congrats on landing him. :toast

I do think a $12M/2 year with $7M guaranteed is overpaying, though. But at least it gets Baltimore a better compensatory pick.
Contract wound up being 3yrs/15M with 5M guaranteed.

:hat

Chinook

03-22-2013, 11:26 AM

Contract wound up being 3yrs/15M with 5M guaranteed.

:hat

That's fine value then. Now it's all up to Reed's state of mind. If he wants to play, he'll be awesome. If he's done mentally, he'll be a waste of space.

I'd love to see the Ravens open against the Texans now. It'd be awesome to see Reed when he's most motivated.

djohn2oo8

03-22-2013, 11:28 AM

That's fine value then. Now it's all up to Reed's state of mind. If he wants to play, he'll be awesome. If he's done mentally, he'll be a waste of space.

I'd love to see the Ravens open against the Texans now. It'd be awesome to see Reed when he's most motivated.

During the press conference, he talked most about wanting to win for Andre. I think he's motivated, and he gushed about playing with Watt, Cushing, JJoe, Kareem.

InRareForm

03-22-2013, 01:19 PM

Great signing. Obviously not for the long term, steps up when teams like Patriots come to play, what have young players done against the likes of Brady and such? Got a good price too.

Trill Clinton

03-22-2013, 05:42 PM

http://i47.tinypic.com/33yroyb.jpg

Clipper Nation

03-22-2013, 05:49 PM

Great signing. Obviously not for the long term, steps up when teams like Patriots come to play, what have young players done against the likes of Brady and such? Got a good price too.
The Texans will never beat teams like the Patriots when it counts until they get rid of Schaub and Kubiak, tbh.... Reed changes nothing....

djohn2oo8

03-22-2013, 05:52 PM

The Texans will never beat teams like the Patriots when it counts until they get rid of Schaub and Kubiak, tbh.... Reed changes nothing....

Schaub is not a big game QB. HOWEVER, this team has NEVER had a legit #2 reciever. Ever. They need a game changer on offense and if they can find one, that means less that Schaub has to do. Reed has seen the Texans' offense multiple times, and if Kubiak is smart, he would pick his brain about how other teams view it and what to change.

djohn2oo8

03-22-2013, 05:58 PM

Also, Kubiak likes to sugarcoat his players too much when they fuck up, like Schaub for example. Reed will come in and hold people accountable.

Blake

03-22-2013, 06:49 PM

http://i47.tinypic.com/33yroyb.jpg

rofl.

soon the Packers team photo will look similar to that.

djohn2oo8

03-22-2013, 08:24 PM

Shane Lechler signs with Texans. Good start to improve special teams.

benefactor

03-22-2013, 08:51 PM

:tu

manufan10

03-22-2013, 11:13 PM

http://i47.tinypic.com/33yroyb.jpg

:lol

Chinook

03-24-2013, 03:51 PM

Esta es hecho (well, almost).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_22861666/elvis-dumervil-agrees-contract-baltimore-ravens

Once again, the Baltimore Ravens have defeated the Broncos.Elvis Dumervil, one of the best defensive ends in Broncos history, has agreed in principle to a multiyear contract with the Ravens, according to two NFL sources.

Dumervil's departure occurs 10 weeks after Baltimore stunned the Broncos, 38-35 in double-overtime of a second-round AFC playoff game on a below-zero windchill Saturday afternoon.

A blustery snowstorm greeted Denver on Saturday when the Broncos learned Dumervil and his 63½ sacks were moving on.

The Broncos are expected to focus on signing defensive end John Abraham, who had 10 sacks and six forced fumbles for the Atlanta Falcons last season — or just one less sack than Dumervil. Former Indianapolis Colt Dwight Freeney is also a possibility if the Broncos can't reach an agreement with Abraham.

First step to rebuilding.

Chinook

03-24-2013, 03:56 PM

He got a $35M/5 deal. So a million less per season than Kruger.

Raven

03-24-2013, 04:18 PM

:lol @ broncos self ownage

Chinook

03-24-2013, 04:29 PM

Elvis is only counting for $2.5 Million this season. This leaves the Ravens with about $5-6 Million in cap room.

EDIT: And I was wrong on the total value. His deal is a $26M/5 deal (with $9 Million in incentives). That's almost $3 Million less per year than Kruger.

TIMMYtoZO

03-24-2013, 04:35 PM

Meh, Denver will be fine. The offseason is not over yet. They still have the draft. Elway knows what he is doing. Dumervil is good, but he can be replaced. That original contract was beyond his value, and it had to be reduced. Jeremy Beal is a guy they already have on their roster who could be ready to explode. When you have a smart front office, losing players like Dumervil can be offset.

Chinook

03-24-2013, 04:39 PM

Denver's front office is awful. It was good until 2011, now they're just living off the old regime.

TIMMYtoZO

03-24-2013, 04:49 PM

Denver's front office is awful. It was good until 2011, now they're just living off the old regime.

Since Elway took over, they have turned it around dramatically. Good until 2011??? They were coming off a 4-12 season in 2010-2011 and hit rock bottom. Then Elway took over in January 2011 and they have been to the postseason ever since while adding good, young talent to the roster.

:lol Not knowing what you are talking about

Chinook

03-24-2013, 04:52 PM

Since Elway took over, they have turned it around dramatically. Good until 2011??? They were coming off a 4-12 season in 2010-2011 and hit rock bottom. Then Elway took over in January 2011 and they have been to the postseason ever since while adding good, young talent to the roster.

:lol Not knowing what you are talking about

You're someone who doesn't know what a good front office is. They didn't acquire any impact players other than Von Miller and Manning in 2011. All of their other pieces were already there. Their talent came from the previous regime. At best, Elway added the keystone.

Chinook

03-24-2013, 04:53 PM

Also, don't forget that they had a coaching change. Just like with the 49ers, coaching can really help an underachieving roster.

But let me guess, you think San Francisco's regime is responsible for their talent, too?

Raven

03-24-2013, 04:55 PM

johnsmith

03-24-2013, 05:40 PM

considering how much of a win or bust season is this supposed to be, i'd say losing dumervil (with 4M in dead money) hurts the team's chances a lot.

I loved dumervil and was sad to hear this news, but that dude can't stop the run to save his life, so as long as they can replace him with someone decent the defense will not lose a step and miller will still get 17 or 18 sacks.

Clipper Nation

03-24-2013, 05:44 PM

When you have a smart front office, losing players like Dumervil can be offset.

But they have a dumb front office who can't even work a fax machine and thinks they can get away with changing the terms of a contract at the last second.... Peyton is making Horseface look good in the regular season only, tbh....

Chinook

03-24-2013, 05:50 PM

But they have a dumb front office who can't even work a fax machine and thinks they can get away with changing the terms of a contract at the last second.... Peyton is making Horseface look good in the regular season only, tbh....

Thank you! We're talking about the same front office which traded 25 for 36 and 101 last draft while the Ravens traded 29 for 35 and 98. And the same front office who missed on pretty much every pick besides Miller these last two years. There's no reason to believe they can replace any member of their core.

TIMMYtoZO

03-24-2013, 06:28 PM

Thank you! We're talking about the same front office which traded 25 for 36 and 101 last draft while the Ravens traded 29 for 35 and 98. And the same front office who missed on pretty much every pick besides Miller these last two years. There's no reason to believe they can replace any member of their core.

You can't really say that until after next season. Orlando Franklin wasn't much of a miss. Nate Irving is said to get more burn (and possibly start) at MLB this season. Derek Wolfe will only be in his second season and showed promise his first season, and Jeremy Beal was doing great in preseason before going on IR. Quinton Carter went on IR last year so it is unfair to call him a bust. Rahim Moore I will not defend. Brock Osweiler is an unknown, Hillman showed some strides last year but has much to prove, Malik Jackson will get serious burn as an interior rusher which is his strength, and the jury is out on everyone else.

You are a little too fast to call all these players busts, and especially as a Ravens fan, you should know better then to be premature. Flacco was known as a player who couldn't get it done in the postseason before this year. There was nothing to convince you otherwise. Then he had an epic postseason.

If plans go to shit for Denver next year, feel free to say they have a horrible front office. You can't say that now especially when Elway has made an impact on that franchise which you can't deny he has made.

TIMMYtoZO

03-24-2013, 06:35 PM

But they have a dumb front office who can't even work a fax machine and thinks they can get away with changing the terms of a contract at the last second.... Peyton is making Horseface look good in the regular season only, tbh....

Dumervil was badly overpaid from the Josh Mcdaniels era. Denver is going to have to worry about paying their other guys (DT, Decker, Miller, Woodyard, Harris) down the road. That deal had to be mostly off the books or redone. He is a very good pass rusher, but he was no where near worth that kind of money in that original contract.

Chinook

03-24-2013, 08:50 PM

You can't really say that until after next season. Orlando Franklin wasn't much of a miss. Nate Irving is said to get more burn (and possibly start) at MLB this season. Derek Wolfe will only be in his second season and showed promise his first season, and Jeremy Beal was doing great in preseason before going on IR. Quinton Carter went on IR last year so it is unfair to call him a bust. Rahim Moore I will not defend. Brock Osweiler is an unknown, Hillman showed some strides last year but has much to prove, Malik Jackson will get serious burn as an interior rusher which is his strength, and the jury is out on everyone else.

When I say that they missed on all their picks, I say that because they passed over a better player in each round. Think about it: Elway knew he didn't want Tebow, but he passed on Kaepernick (literally traded the pick to the 49ers) only to draft some no-name the next season. I could go on about their miscues (Hillman over Pierce probably being the one of the most egregious), but I agree that it's too soon to absolutely label those players busts. I think for a team in win-now mode, they need their picks to contribute immediately or they have failed at drafting, but time will make one of us right.

You are a little too fast to call all these players busts, and especially as a Ravens fan, you should know better then to be premature. Flacco was known as a player who couldn't get it done in the postseason before this year. There was nothing to convince you otherwise. Then he had an epic postseason.

No offense, man, but that is literally the worst take I've read on this forum. Flacco was one of the winningest quarterbacks in NFL history through four years. He had started every game since he was drafted, and he was the only quarterback in the modern era to win playoff games in each of his first four seasons. He had also seen the two previous post-seasons end on dropped passes. No one who had actually watched him was labeling him a choker. In fact, that's why he turned down a deal that averaged $16 Million a season. The Ravens already considered him elite, and he knew he was even better than they thought.

If plans go to shit for Denver next year, feel free to say they have a horrible front office. You can't say that now especially when Elway has made an impact on that franchise which you can't deny he has made.

Elway hasn't done anything other than bring in Manning and John Fox. Miller was the obvious pick, so I won't give him credit for it. He routinely gets fleeced on the trade market, and his eye for talent is suspect at best. Even bringing in Manning took little actual insight, and many people blame Fox for the loss. It's crazy how bad he's been.

Can they overcome Dumervil's loss? Of course. But there's no reason to assume they're going to do it. That front office is borderline incompetent and if it wasn't for the gifts Shannahan and McDaniels left them (Josh was a terrible coach, but a more-than-decent personnel guy), they'd still be stuck in the cellar like the Rams.

TIMMYtoZO

03-24-2013, 09:11 PM

No offense, man, but that is literally the worst take I've read on this forum. Flacco was one of the winningest quarterbacks in NFL history through four years. He had started every game since he was drafted, and he was the only quarterback in the modern era to win playoff games in each of his first four seasons. He had also seen the two previous post-seasons end on dropped passes. No one who had actually watched him was labeling him a choker. In fact, that's why he turned down a deal that averaged $16 Million a season. The Ravens already considered him elite, and he knew he was even better than they thought.

:lol Making excuses for Flacco before this year. He simply could not get the job done. I can easily admit Eli was not good enough prior to the 2007-2008 season, so it shouldn't be hard for you to do the same. Quit blaming everyone else for his failures and just admit he was not good enough.

:lol denial
:lol doesn't want to admit Flacco used to lack the intangibles to be a champion

Chinook

03-24-2013, 09:26 PM

:lol Making excuses for Flacco before this year. He simply could not get the job done. I can easily admit Eli was not good enough prior to the 2007-2008 season, so it shouldn't be hard for you to do the same. Quit blaming everyone else for his failures and just admit he was not good enough.

:lol denial
:lol doesn't want to admit Flacco used to lack the intangibles to be a champion

Seriously, dude, you don't have to double-down on that take. Just pretend like you didn't say it and move on. I promise, I won't even harp on you for it after this.

I don't think I have to defend Flacco's playoff performance prior to this post-season. Literally, if Evans catches that pass, the Ravens are in the Super Bowl last year. It's hard to say that Flacco didn't have the intangibles then. The year before that, he was in the middle of one of his now-routine comeback drives against Pittsburgh when Housh dropped a pass that hit him in the chest on fourth down. Flacco's literally had it in him to win the big one since he was a sophomore.

If your only way of defining whether someone is good enough is by them actually doing it, then you and I just have different views. Flacco didn't change this season. He made big plays, and he threw some bad balls. Jacoby Jones came up clutch where Lee Evans had failed. Two Broncos defenders dropped key interceptions. Flacco capitalized and won the games. That's what he's been doing for years. That's why I've been so against Flacco being in the elite discussion. He's the same player he was before. He'll make the same mistakes, and he'll make the same amazing plays.

AaronY

03-25-2013, 07:48 AM

Also, Kubiak likes to sugarcoat his players too much when they fuck up, like Schaub for example. Reed will come in and hold people accountable.

Lol @ Ed Reed's presence is gonna make your teams quarterback play better.

AaronY

03-25-2013, 07:49 AM

Reed will probably improve their goal line offense as well.

By his mere presence.

djohn2oo8

03-25-2013, 09:17 AM

Lol @ Ed Reed's presence is gonna make your teams quarterback play better.

Did I say he'd make him play better? Read it again. I said he wouldn't hesistate to call him out if he plays shitty.

AaronY

03-25-2013, 09:23 AM

djohn2oo8

03-25-2013, 09:29 AM

Tbh I'd be excited to get Ed Reed too. I just think you're getting a little carried away. Schaub is still going to have to make some big plays in the playoffs if you guys are going to do anything. Doesn't really change much imho

I know it doesn't change anything for Schaub, which is why I hope they draft a mobile QB sometime in the draft. What I do hope is that they continue to add to the defense and make it better than last year, and find a game changer on offense. Schaub is going to have to nut up come playoffs, but in order for him to do that the head coach and owner can't keep protecting him like they are. Kubiak mainly needs to grow some balls and lay criticism when he needs to. Whether that be in the locker room or press conference. A game changing playmaker on offense would help, if they could find one in the draft.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-25-2013, 09:32 AM

Matt Schaub's lack of mobility isn't the problem, his lack of clutchness/ability to do anything in the 4th quarter is the problem.

Blake

03-25-2013, 09:34 AM

Saying the Denver front office with Elway is "god awful" is too much.

After wasting a first round pick on Tebow, Elway came in and cleaned it up nicely by stealing a draft pick from the Jets for him and bringing in Manning.

Getting Welker for a good price was a nice coup a well.

Not the best front office to be sure, but definitely not God awful.

Clipper Nation

03-25-2013, 09:35 AM

Matt Schaub's lack of mobility isn't the problem, his lack of clutchness/ability to do anything in the 4th quarter is the problem.
It's not even that... Schaub's a stiff game manager in all four quarters, every game, and he's being coached by an overconservative pussy who encourages it.....

djohn2oo8

03-25-2013, 09:38 AM

Matt Schaub's lack of mobility isn't the problem, his lack of clutchness/ability to do anything in the 4th quarter is the problem.

I know it's not his problem specifically, just it'd be nice to have one in this offense. His lack of clutchness is definitely a problem, like when he craters and takes a sack when there is plenty of time in the pocket, or he throws it away when there's plenty of time in the pocket, then goes on the radio and says "The team has to play better".

djohn2oo8

03-25-2013, 09:39 AM

It's not even that... Schaub's a stiff game manager in all four quarters, every game, and he's being coached by an overconservative pussy who encourages it.....

This too.

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-25-2013, 10:24 AM

This happened yesterday but New England re-signed Vollmer. Hopefully he stays healthy again this year but chances are they got him for a good price since the market for him was so soft.

IMO, the Ravens definitely upgraded by basically going from Kruger to Dumervil when Kruger would have costed more money. People are also forgetting they get Lardarius Webb back next year w/ Haloti Ngata and Terrell Suggs at 100% compared to last season when they were playing w/ injuries. Their two big losses are Boldin and Reed imo. There are plenty of good ILBs left on the market to replace Ellerby and Lewis, while it's not hard to replace a safety who doesn't cover. If Boldin and Reed are replaced well enough they'll still be an AFC contender next year.

AaronY

03-25-2013, 10:56 AM

Is "costed" even a word? Sounds like something a black dude mangling English would say

AaronY

03-25-2013, 10:58 AM

Guess it is...kind of http://www.englishforums.com/English/CostVsCosted/gbqdl/post.htm

DUNCANownsKOBE

03-25-2013, 11:00 AM

Is "costed" even a word?

Yes.

:lol failed grammar smack

benefactor

03-25-2013, 11:23 AM

It's not even that... Schaub's a stiff game manager in all four quarters, every game, and he's being coached by an overconservative pussy who encourages it.....
Truth bomb.

AaronY

03-25-2013, 12:19 PM

Yes.

:lol failed grammar smack

I never heard it before. If you look at that link its sounds weird and incorrect to a lot of people.

Lincoln

03-25-2013, 02:30 PM

Skins meeting with Winfield on Wednesday. Really hope we get him, he's old but still very productive and if anything is a stop gap until we get our 18 million back next free agency. Anything is better than deangelo too.

Hope we can somehow get Fred Davis back too but I think he goes to the bills. Great playmaker even tho he is a dumbass.

J.T.

03-25-2013, 02:36 PM

Colts bringing in Darrius Heyward-Bey for a visit. Hope we sign him, definite upgrade over Donnie Avery who went to the Chiefs.

Lincoln

03-25-2013, 02:42 PM

Colts will be good next year if they improve that line. Have they done that yet or are they going to the draft?

Wasn't luck like the most pressured qb last year?

J.T.

03-25-2013, 03:05 PM

Colts will be good next year if they improve that line. Have they done that yet or are they going to the draft?

Wasn't luck like the most pressured qb last year?

They added RT Gosder Cherilus who only missed like 4 games in his career with the Lions. Winston Justice was good for us last year but he couldn't stay healthy. I like that the new Colts front office is not wasting time on players that keep ending up on IR, the last front office was way too loyal to guys like that (Bob Sanders probably rings the loudest bell).

Also added G Donald Thomas who was a backup with the Patriots but DoK told me dude was pretty good when he got to play. I still think they need to draft another lineman though, maybe another guard or possibly a center to train up until Samson Satele's deal expires. 2013 Colts are definitely trying to follow the 2001 Patriots model, win a Super Bowl with a deep FA class.

Luck was sacked like 41 times last year and who knows how many sacks he should have taken, he got out of quite a few.

Mal

03-25-2013, 06:05 PM

What`s the deal with Palmer? He is owed 13 mln this year. What excatly means to restructure a contract ? Add money and years to lower cap hit, or only add years ?

Raven

03-25-2013, 07:46 PM

17 milion for 4 years base salary for vollmer :wow

manufan10

03-25-2013, 08:21 PM

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LnGrrrR

03-26-2013, 08:52 AM

Baltimore should still be in the playoff mix barring injuries. The Flacco cap hit won't bother them until 2016 or 2017.

Chinook

03-26-2013, 09:37 AM

djohn2oo8

03-26-2013, 09:49 AM

Texans bringing in FB Greg Jones for a visit. Would be a solid signing.

J.T.

03-26-2013, 02:19 PM

DHB leaves Indy without deal, onto Detroit. We should have signed him. May not be too late but we need WR far more than the Lions do. If Grandpa Wayne gets injured, it's gonna be 2011 all over again.

Lincoln

03-26-2013, 02:24 PM

J.T.

03-26-2013, 02:28 PM

If Lions get DHB along with broyles back next to CJ :wow

And they got bush right? Those are some nice weapons for stafford. I think they'll have a good year IMO they got some nice defensive players too. That o line is just so shitty tho

I do believe they did get Bush. I didn't even take him into account when I said they don't need WR. Even though he isn't a WR, he's one of those backs that can catch too so he has that added element. You always hear about free agents saying shit like "Oh I just want to win the Super Bowl" but it's all bullshit. They just want money. Colts don't really have much cap room left to use in free agency but I don't think they want to work in a rookie WR.

Why go from Raiders to Lions tho DHB? Didn't you know?

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24736730.jpg

TIMMYtoZO

03-26-2013, 07:15 PM

If the Ravens have a good draft, they should be better than they were last season. They have 12 picks, but only about six or seven open spots. I could see them trading up and getting some impact players to go along with a solid free-agency run. It's not very often a team improves their run defense and pass-rushing by spending only $5 Million.

Drafting a wr wouldn't hurt either.

As for the Giants, I see Reese going BPA. Marvin Austin needs to finally show his worth this season. He is out of excuses.

Chinook

03-26-2013, 07:34 PM

Drafting a wr wouldn't hurt either.

As for the Giants, I see Reese going BPA. Marvin Austin needs to finally show his worth this season. He is out of excuses.

I agree. If a player falls to the Ravens who they think can be a solid number-one guy, they should pick him. They don't need to just draft one for the heck of it, though. They have drafted four receivers in the last three drafts and picked up two more as UDFAs. I'm interested in seeing what those players can do.

Now the Giants are a team I really do think will be just fine. Reese drafts well. What does that team need right now? I guess a some secondary players, but I imagine Amukamara a chance to live up to his draft status.

TIMMYtoZO

03-26-2013, 09:59 PM

I agree. If a player falls to the Ravens who they think can be a solid number-one guy, they should pick him. They don't need to just draft one for the heck of it, though. They have drafted four receivers in the last three drafts and picked up two more as UDFAs. I'm interested in seeing what those players can do.

Now the Giants are a team I really do think will be just fine. Reese drafts well. What does that team need right now? I guess a some secondary players, but I imagine Amukamara a chance to live up to his draft status.

Amukamara/Hosley are going to be the main guys. I have given up on Thomas and Webster is a concern. I am glad Aaron Ross is back, though, but another young corner would not hurt. I hated losing Phillips, but Stevie Brown looks promising. Will Hill also has me excited. JPP better be in shape this year. He got fat and lazy after winning a ring, and his 6.5 sack season proved it. This could be Tuck's final season as a Giant, and I am excited to see who emerges as Osi's replacement. If Austin can stay healthy and focused, it would be a new look for this pass rush. A penetrating DT would do wonders for Tuck and JPP along with Joseph.

Chinook

03-27-2013, 11:36 AM

The Ravens sign Michael Huff.

EDIT: It looks like it's a $6M/3 deal. That's even more great value.

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manufan10

03-27-2013, 11:54 AM

The Cowboys have signed Justin Durant, and have a deal in place with Will Allen as soon as they restructure another contract. A Romo extension is probably near. They also restructured Orton's deal to sign Durant.

Chinook

03-27-2013, 11:57 AM

Amukamara/Hosley are going to be the main guys. I have given up on Thomas and Webster is a concern. I am glad Aaron Ross is back, though, but another young corner would not hurt. I hated losing Phillips, but Stevie Brown looks promising. Will Hill also has me excited. JPP better be in shape this year. He got fat and lazy after winning a ring, and his 6.5 sack season proved it. This could be Tuck's final season as a Giant, and I am excited to see who emerges as Osi's replacement. If Austin can stay healthy and focused, it would be a new look for this pass rush. A penetrating DT would do wonders for Tuck and JPP along with Joseph.

I've learned to trust the Giants' ability to develop a good d-line.

Speaking of which, what do you think of Canty? I know he was hurt last year, but what about the years before that? Ravens fans are really excited about him, but players tend not to do very well after leaving the Giants.

manufan10

03-27-2013, 11:57 AM

They 'boys are also bringing in Jets OG Brandon Moore.

benefactor

03-27-2013, 12:13 PM

Texans signed Greg Jones to a one year deal. Nice pickup to replace Casey.

symple19

03-27-2013, 12:32 PM

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All the same, I saw a tweet from Elias saying that no team that's ever won a super bowl has had as much personnel turnover as the Ravens have

djohn2oo8

03-27-2013, 12:39 PM

Texans signed Greg Jones to a one year deal. Nice pickup to replace Casey.

He was rated 3rd out of 25 FBs taking >25% of snaps. He's more like our replacement for Vonta Leach, actual our equal.

djohn2oo8

03-27-2013, 12:40 PM

Chinook

03-27-2013, 12:41 PM

All the same, I saw a tweet from Elias saying that no team that's ever won a super bowl has had as much personnel turnover as the Ravens have

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af355/rugbymeathead/ozzielol_zps6eb3633f.gif

That seems untrue. The Ravens lost four starters from 2011-2012, went the first half of the season without another, and kept another on the bench for the whole regular season. They also dealt with another missing most of the season and they lost the another player who was an opening-day starter. That's seriously nine players, not counting three key subs. I imagine the Ravens have the most turnover out of any team in the league. Really, this off-season's been pretty typical.

Chinook

03-27-2013, 12:43 PM

That is good value, just know he gets burnt alotttttttt.

Probably. Reed couldn't really tackle to save his life, and until the playoff, he was having a hard time sticking to his assignment. Good teams find a way to put players in a position to succeed. Apparently, the Ravens have been targeting Huff for years. I imagine they have a good idea about what they want to do with him.

djohn2oo8

03-27-2013, 12:43 PM

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 5m
New #Texans fullback Greg Jones turns 32 in May, but he was top-3 lead blocker in the NFL each of the past 3 seasons, according to @PFF.

benefactor

03-27-2013, 01:30 PM

He was rated 3rd out of 25 FBs taking >25% of snaps. He's more like our replacement for Vonta Leach, actual our equal.
Probably better that way too as the Texans never really used Casey effectively anyway.

djohn2oo8

03-27-2013, 01:36 PM

Yup. Now if we can bring back Winston I'd consider this a successful start to the offseason.

djohn2oo8

03-27-2013, 03:29 PM

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 2m Texans will sign more veteran FAs who they can get with affordable deals. I expect an OT, ILB, WR and perhaps a NT.

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 2m Texans have 9 draft choices, including four of the top 95. I still think they'll draft a WR in first round.

Lincoln

03-27-2013, 03:55 PM

ESPN 980 (d.c) says that Winfield just arrived and will have dinner with the skins tonight. We need him here. He was ranked as the number 1 corner last year according to profootballfocus for what it's worth. If anything he is a cheap reliable stopgap at nickel and we look to the draft

Lincoln

03-27-2013, 03:55 PM

Surprising that deangelo hall and his 39 career INTs isn't getting any offers. He must really blow

J.T.

03-27-2013, 04:45 PM

All the same, I saw a tweet from Elias saying that no team that's ever won a super bowl has had as much personnel turnover as the Ravens have

No team has repeated since the Patriots cheated to do it so it's not like you can do it by playing fair anyway. Highly unlikely Ravens repeat even with the exact same team.

manufan10

03-27-2013, 05:39 PM

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DPG21920

03-27-2013, 05:39 PM

Is this guy a Free Agent?:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/oakland-raiders-tackle-jared-veldheer-muscles-top-muscles-151345408--nfl.html

TIMMYtoZO

03-27-2013, 08:04 PM

I've learned to trust the Giants' ability to develop a good d-line.

Speaking of which, what do you think of Canty? I know he was hurt last year, but what about the years before that? Ravens fans are really excited about him, but players tend not to do very well after leaving the Giants.

Tbh, if Canty can stay healthy, he will help the Ravens. The Giants cut him loose mainly due to his salary. He was not healthy last year, so it was unfair to call him a scrub. It was a solid low risk move by Ozzie. Canty's impact on the D-Line is underestimated when the Giants won the SB. He and Joseph got that push to make life easier for Osi/Tuck/JPP.