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Pop
03-28-2013, 05:50 AM
:lmao so when baynes has a bad nite, its because pop didnt play him meaningful mjnutes :lmao

Wow

Pretty obvious that his head wasnt into it, he probably read that Pop gave him no shot at making the team this year on the frontpage of spurs.Com.

It's funny how nothing is ever on Pop, how no one ever calls him out on his mistakes, people in these kind of situations dont tend to get better at what they do.

benefactor
03-28-2013, 06:29 AM
you make a compelling case with your big boy language. sure makes you look real intelligent.
Go back to the previous page a spend some time reading, Grayson.

jjktkk
03-28-2013, 09:32 AM
Pretty obvious that his head wasnt into it, he probably read that Pop gave him no shot at making the team this year on the frontpage of spurs.Com.

It's funny how nothing is ever on Pop, how no one ever calls him out on his mistakes, people in these kind of situations dont tend to get better at what they do.

So, by your retarded analysis, you want Baynes in the Spur's big rotation, even though his head isn't into games? GOTDAM, are you tjastal's troll? :lol

capek
03-28-2013, 10:27 AM
So, by your retarded analysis, you want Baynes in the Spur's big rotation, even though his head isn't into games? GOTDAM, are you tjastal's troll? :lol

Come on man, that's just willful ignorance. "A D-League game" does not equal "Spurs games." :rolleyes

jjktkk
03-28-2013, 10:35 AM
Come on man, that's just willful ignorance. "A D-League game" does not equal "Spurs games." :rolleyes

Lol, ignorance? If a guy is struggling in a D-League game, your expecting him to improve by getting a call up to the Spurs? Some you guys see a player who is 6'10", and automatically think hes ready for prime time. Let Baynes develop, and see what he can do next year.

ChumpDumper
03-28-2013, 11:29 AM
Pretty obvious that his head wasnt into itGNSF with the psychic game analysis.

I didn't watch a second of the game but I know exactly what happened because of my finely honed agenda pushing abilities.

manufan10
03-28-2013, 11:48 AM
:lol "loses interest" in a D-League game, but should be the 4th big.

Pop
03-28-2013, 11:55 AM
GNSF with the psychic game analysis.

I didn't watch a second of the game but I know exactly what happened because of my finely honed agenda pushing abilities.

On a website where the legendary Tim Duncan is called a tosb, where a great player like Manu is getting blasted when he's not performing up to expectation, where people want to trade TP every year, somehow the worst thing one can do is question Pop, the one guy that never gets called on his mistakes by anyone.

When I look at the four of them, Pop is the one underperforming the most sorry, lol not having settled on a backup PG at the end of March, lol playing the turd towers and getting outrebounded by everyone.

I for one wanted to trade for McGee, hey I make mistake and come up with shitty takes on occasion like everyone but in that case he's exactly what we're missing, what Baynes could become. But hey keep worshipping the ground he walks on by all means if it makes you happy, just don't expect me to do the same. The only agenda I have is that I want this team to win it all Sherlock.

Pop
03-28-2013, 11:56 AM
:lol "loses interest" in a D-League game, but should be the 4th big.

Blair cries on twitter, gets pity minutes from Pop who likes him too much not to give in :lol.

ChumpDumper
03-28-2013, 11:57 AM
I expect you to post baseless agenda driven crap.

The entire game is right there for anyone to watch. Even you.

I don't have to. The agenda allows me to see all without watching!

Pop
03-28-2013, 12:01 PM
I expect you to post baseless agenda driven crap.

The game is right there for anyone to see. Even you.



REGULAR SEASON
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SPG
BPG
TO
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PPG


12-13
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26.5
0.500
0.000
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4.3
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Games

Who has an agenda now?

ChumpDumper
03-28-2013, 12:04 PM
GamesYou were talking about last night's game which you didn't watch.



Who has an agenda now?You, because you were talking about last night's game which you didn't watch.

Pop
03-28-2013, 12:10 PM
You were talking about last night's game which you didn't watch.


You, because you were talking about last night's game which you didn't watch.

Man it'd be funny if it wasn't so sad, I hope you're on the Spurs payroll at least... You have to be related to Pop or maybe to Matt Bonner to defend him so rabidly and not care for the true Spurs legends.

ChumpDumper
03-28-2013, 12:14 PM
Man it'd be funny if it wasn't so sad, I hope you're on the Spurs payroll at least... You have to be related to Pop or maybe to Matt Bonner to defend him so rabidly and not care for the true Spurs legends.The funny part is all I have done here is point out that you didn't watch the game and therefore can't say what happened with any certainty. The agenda translated that into something else entirely.

The agenda has now made Aron Baynes a true Spurs legend.

Pop
03-28-2013, 12:33 PM
The funny part is all I have done here is point out that you didn't watch the game and therefore can't say what happened with any certainty. The agenda translated that into something else entirely.

The agenda has now made Aron Baynes a true Spurs legend.

Really? Obvisouly nobody can and I didn't :


Looking at the boxscore he had a bad night, cant tell if hes losing interest or something, he probably realized Pop never gave him a chance to begin with.

Just happens that there's an interview on the frontpage of Spurs.com where Pop says that Baynes won't make the team, some people agreed that it could be disheartened but somehow it made your vagina sandy regardless.

I don't need to watch the game, I don't need to to see that his statline was a clear outlier from his other outings, yet you're so happy that a single occurrence comforts your popologetic agenda that you can't help but come out of the closet and act like it means something.

ChumpDumper
03-28-2013, 12:37 PM
Really? Obvisouly nobody can and I didn't :The agenda blinds you to your own words.
Pretty obvious that his head wasnt into it


Just happens that there's an interview on the frontpage of Spurs.com where Pop says that Baynes won't make the team, some people agreed that it could be disheartened but somehow it made your vagina sandy regardless.Actually it upset you and others who like to talk out of their asses.


I don't need to watch the game:lol True GNSF agendaspeak. :clap :tu

I'm going to watch the game later, since he was playing against a guy who is in the same situation in Miami. He won't make his playoff roster either. Judging from the boxscore, you would have to conclude that Baynes is mentally weak and the other guy isn't. I won't do that.

ChumpDumper
03-28-2013, 12:50 PM
I watched, Aron play in Austin tonight; it was horrible.Hell, this guy was at the game.

Maybe he could expand on what he saw if asked nicely.

jermaine
03-28-2013, 01:23 PM
The question to ask is this! Do anyone here think Bayens understand the NBA game than Javele Mcgee? It doesn't take much for him to contribute for the nuggets.

ChumpDumper
03-28-2013, 01:40 PM
The question to ask is this! Do anyone here think Bayens understand the NBA game than Javele Mcgee? It doesn't take much for him to contribute for the nuggets.I would say yes, a player who has played an average of 20 minutes in 345 NBA games probably understands the NBA game more than a person that has averaged 7 minutes in 11 total games.

Pasta Batman
03-28-2013, 01:45 PM
The question to ask is this! Do anyone here think Bayens understand the NBA game than Javele Mcgee? It doesn't take much for him to contribute for the nuggets.

He's more goofy/clumsy than anything. Definitely not the brightest, but he understands some concepts. Baynes definitely can use a summer with the team. That'll work out well. And it makes a lot of sense as Blair will be gone.

jjktkk
03-28-2013, 02:03 PM
He's more goofy/clumsy than anything. Definitely not the brightest, but he understands some concepts. Baynes definitely can use a summer with the team. That'll work out well. And it makes a lot of sense as Blair will be gone.

^ This. I doubt, they were expecting Baynes to contribute much this year, but more for the next year, after Baynes gets more comfortable with the Spurs, and the NBA in general.

Pasta Batman
03-28-2013, 02:30 PM
^ This. I doubt, they were expecting Baynes to contribute much this year, but more for the next year, after Baynes gets more comfortable with the Spurs, and the NBA in general.

It's almost like the midseason additions of Diaw/Jackson/Mills. All were signed a lot earlier than the summer. Now they already had a head start. Baynes for instance will likely see summer league time.

benefactor
03-28-2013, 04:03 PM
Pasta Batman...the grey voice of reason.

Spur|n|Austin
03-28-2013, 04:51 PM
Hell, this guy was at the game.

Maybe he could expand on what he saw if asked nicely.

Sure, it was a rough outing for Baynes' right from the get-go. He started, which seemed to throw the offense off, as they seem to be accustomed to Jackson starting. His stat line below seems to tell the story of his night



A. Baynes (http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/aron_baynes/)
C, F
26:02
0-7
0-0
0-0
-8
5
2
7
2
4
0
6
1
0
0



Late in the second quarter he was hacked across the wrist pretty hard, and stayed on the ground for a minute or so, before walking back to the locker room. I figured it was pretty bad, but low and behold he started the second half; not that that was a good thing. He just could not find his rhythm and didn't seem to be playing with a lot of physicality, which equaled an 0-7 night. The seven rebounds in the stat line is a little deceiving as those seemed to pretty much fall into his hands. The Toros' most likely would have won if they gave Jackson more minutes; that guy is a hell of a work horse.


Riveting analysis.

Riveting enough for you, bitch? I could add how the night ended in your mom's bed if you'd like?

capek
03-28-2013, 05:02 PM
Riveting enough for you, bitch? I could add how the night ended in your mom's bed if you'd like?


:lol Ya that's better.

btw get some salve for your butthurt-ness, I'm getting sympathy pains through my computer screen. :lol

Obstructed_View
03-28-2013, 06:12 PM
It's almost like the midseason additions of Diaw/Jackson/Mills. All were signed a lot earlier than the summer. Now they already had a head start. Baynes for instance will likely see summer league time.

Yeah, he's definitely going to get all the opportunities next summer that Ajinca and Richards squandered last summer. Hopefully he'll show us something. Hopefully Blair doesn't continue to spectacularly shit the bed in the minutes he's given between now and the end of the season.

Pasta Batman
03-29-2013, 12:09 AM
Yeah, he's definitely going to get all the opportunities next summer that Ajinca and Richards squandered last summer. Hopefully he'll show us something. Hopefully Blair doesn't continue to spectacularly shit the bed in the minutes he's given between now and the end of the season.

He's already shown stuff, but knowing the system is big to success. They likely wouldn't pay a buy out if they didn't think he had a solid chance. I'm confident there.

pad300
03-29-2013, 12:34 AM
It's almost like the midseason additions of Diaw/Jackson/Mills. All were signed a lot earlier than the summer. Now they already had a head start. Baynes for instance will likely see summer league time.


Pasta Batman...the grey voice of reason.

This is supposed to support the argument that Baynes should be learning the system in Austin for the rest of this season? Diaw, Jackson and Mills all joined us mid-season last year, and gave us valuable minutes in the playoffs...

ChumpDumper
03-29-2013, 12:55 AM
This is supposed to support the argument that Baynes should be learning the system in Austin for the rest of this season? Diaw, Jackson and Mills all joined us mid-season last year, and gave us valuable minutes in the playoffs...All were NBA vets.

TheGoldStandard
03-29-2013, 01:58 AM
It's because he's white...

benefactor
03-29-2013, 05:46 AM
All were NBA vets.
I didn't think that needed to be pointed out. Guess I was wrong.

ChumpDumper
03-29-2013, 11:20 AM
Man, Baynes got shut down mainly by James Mays, who (with some doubling help) did a great job denying Baynes the ball, stealing the ball if he got it and boxing him out on the boards. Halfcourt ball movement by the Toros was pretty bad for the most part, and Baynes and the coach didn't do much to free the former up after the initial entry pass was denied. It looks like he strained a shoulder in the second quarter when he got the ball stripped in the post, but apparently it was just a niggle. It might have been bothering him in the second half though, as he was missing wide open jumpers pretty badly.

On D, Baynes was covering Mays, which was a little disappointing as I wanted to see him at least try to guard Miami's Varnado, who went nuts. Mays beat Aron off the dribble a couple of times, but he has range so one can't back off him completely. Baynes' help rotations were OK, though he was meeting cutters and penetrators a little too deep in the paint. They had a bunch of guys who could and did put up floaters over Baynes.

No need to be alarmed by the numbers. It was one of those games where they wanted to see what Baynes could do offensively in the post, and the Skyforce gameplanned specifically against that and had the personnel to pull it off. Barring some kind of great development, Baynes isn't going to be much of a back to the basket threat on offense in the NBA anyway. His being outpositioned by a smaller player was the biggest concern.

monkeypunk
03-29-2013, 11:33 AM
Man, Baynes got shut down mainly by James Mays, who (with some doubling help) did a great job denying Baynes the ball, stealing the ball if he got it and boxing him out on the boards. Halfcourt ball movement by the Toros was pretty bad for the most part, and Baynes and the coach didn't do much to free the former up after the initial entry pass was denied. It looks like he strained a shoulder in the second quarter when he got the ball stripped in the post, but apparently it was just a niggle. It might have been bothering him in the second half though, as he was missing wide open jumpers pretty badly.

On D, Baynes was covering Mays, which was a little disappointing as I wanted to see him at least try to guard Miami's Varnado, who went nuts. Mays beat Aron off the dribble a couple of times, but he has range so one can't back off him completely. Baynes' help rotations were OK, though he was meeting cutters and penetrators a little too deep in the paint. They had a bunch of guys who could and did put up floaters over Baynes.

No need to be alarmed by the numbers. It was one of those games where they wanted to see what Baynes could do offensively in the post, and the Skyforce gameplanned specifically against that and had the personnel to pull it off. Barring some kind of great development, Baynes isn't going to be much of a back to the basket threat on offense in the NBA anyway. His being outpositioned by a smaller player was the biggest concern.

Thanks for the report! Doesn't sound like he'll be any help this season.

ChumpDumper
03-29-2013, 11:40 AM
He could conceivably help, but games like this put things in perspective.

One more thing: Baynes got yanked after committing a flagrant and didn't play the last few minutes of the game after things got chippy. Looks like he has trouble when he's frustrated.

monkeypunk
03-29-2013, 12:10 PM
He could conceivably help, but games like this put things in perspective.

One more thing: Baynes got yanked after committing a flagrant and didn't play the last few minutes of the game after things got chippy. Looks like he has trouble when he's frustrated.

You've got to love players that play with some fire so with his size and aggression, once he gets acclimated, he should be able to help. I just don't think it'll be this year.

Bruno
03-30-2013, 03:45 PM
Bp1h5b_GOzo

Pop
03-30-2013, 04:24 PM
He's gonna kill someone if they dont call him up soon. His game could complement Boris so well...

LittleCriminal
03-30-2013, 04:40 PM
This video is just another example of basketball skills Blair and Bonner lack and are reasons why Baynes should be getting minutes over these two clowns.

ChumpDumper
03-30-2013, 05:04 PM
Yeah, he almost matched Daniel Orton's numbers last night.

jermaine
03-30-2013, 05:25 PM
Bp1h5b_GOzo
This video pisses me off. He could be doing that with the second unit. Im not asking him to start, just be a spark off the bench with Manu. If he was gettin fed like Manu do Blair, omfg he would be a monster. Im sick of this shit mann.

TheGoldStandard
03-30-2013, 05:26 PM
Baynes had some monster dunks last night, good numbers. He needs to be coached up.

capek
03-30-2013, 05:43 PM
This video pisses me off. He could be doing that with the second unit. Im not asking him to start, just be a spark off the bench with Manu. If he was gettin fed like Manu do Blair, omfg he would be a monster. Im sick of this shit mann.

But he had a bad D-League game after that, so obviously he's not ready to even match the production of Blair/Bonner in 5-10 minutes a night with the Spurs. :rolleyes

Brunodf
03-30-2013, 05:48 PM
This video pisses me off. He could be doing that with the second unit. Im not asking him to start, just be a spark off the bench with Manu. If he was gettin fed like Manu do Blair, omfg he would be a monster. Im sick of this shit mann.
Wouldn't be fair to the team

exstatic
03-30-2013, 06:03 PM
This is supposed to support the argument that Baynes should be learning the system in Austin for the rest of this season? Diaw, Jackson and Mills all joined us mid-season last year, and gave us valuable minutes in the playoffs...

All were NBA vets.

edit: duped CD's post to the letter. :lol

exstatic
03-30-2013, 06:07 PM
This video pisses me off. He could be doing that with the second unit. Im not asking him to start, just be a spark off the bench with Manu. If he was gettin fed like Manu do Blair, omfg he would be a monster. Im sick of this shit mann.

Find another team that rushes their players into the lineup to follow.

Obstructed_View
03-30-2013, 07:11 PM
He has no experience, and he needs experience in order to be able to play, which can only be gotten with playing time, but he can't get any, because he has no experience (aside from 4 years of college and 3 years of pro and international basketball). Somehow sitting on the bench for years makes a player good; just look at Splitter. In the meantime the Spurs should be playing guys at center who have no height, no foot speed, no leaping ability, and can't defend because they're familiar with the system. If the Spurs could just bring in a rookie with only international experience and play him, they couldn't rely on him to contribute, well other than the current backup point guard, but pay no attention to that, because it's different with a pseudo point guard than it is with a 7 foot shot blocker.

capek
03-30-2013, 07:36 PM
He has no experience, and he needs experience in order to be able to play, which can only be gotten with playing time, but he can't get any, because he has no experience (aside from 4 years of college and 3 years of pro and international basketball). Somehow sitting on the bench for years makes a player good; just look at Splitter. In the meantime the Spurs should be playing guys at center who have no height, no foot speed, no leaping ability, and can't defend because they're familiar with the system. If the Spurs could just bring in a rookie with only international experience and play him, they couldn't rely on him to contribute, well other than the current backup point guard, but pay no attention to that, because it's different with a pseudo point guard than it is with a 7 foot shot blocker.

Nando went through training camp, so obviously he's worthy of playing time where Baynes is not. Fool!

palangi
03-30-2013, 07:43 PM
I don't get what the argument here is. NOBODY has claimed baynes to be an all star or even a starter for that matter. but 5-10 minutes of time, he do what ever blair does but better, because his defense will be better. the only thing bonner has on him is a 3 point shot. but blair has nothing. even baynes can hit a 10-15 foot jumper more consistant than blair. that is the real argument here. and it's not like blair is making tons of money and has to start.

but his size, length, strength, and athleticism could really payoff at some point. and could be needed. baynes on collison seems better than blair on collison.

so once again all those firing back. NOBODY has said baynes should start or be elected into the hall of fame. but he does make more sense than blair who is gone anyways this summer.

palangi
03-30-2013, 07:45 PM
Nando went through training camp, so obviously he's worthy of playing time where Baynes is not. Fool!

it is frustrating. especially considering baynes played for australia who runs a similar system to the spurs. and has been with the team for 2 months now. this whole system excuse is getting a little pathetic.

ChumpDumper
03-30-2013, 08:45 PM
I don't even think anyone is arguing against trying Baynes out, but people really are saying the Spurs' championship hopes ride heavily on his inclusion on the active roster.

It's a little pathetic.

therealtruth
03-30-2013, 08:48 PM
The problem with Pop and the FO is they are thinking future too much. That's why the team hasn't won since '07. They need to have the it's now or never mindset.

Strategic
03-30-2013, 08:54 PM
Baynes won't play this year.

ChumpDumper
03-30-2013, 08:57 PM
The problem with Pop and the FO is they are thinking future too much. That's why the team hasn't won since '07. They need to have the it's now or never mindset.Ah, lol.

UZER
03-30-2013, 09:10 PM
I don't even think anyone is arguing against trying Baynes out, but people really are saying the Spurs' championship hopes ride heavily on his inclusion on the active roster.

It's a little pathetic.

What's a little more pathetic is still relying on Bonner and Blair to play the 4 in the playoffs because they "know the system". As if being just being the right spots prevents these midgets from getting dunked on, or somehow enables them to grab rebounds over guys taller than them.

But we've seen this before, only for Pop to panic and change his mind when they are down in a series.

TheGoldStandard
03-30-2013, 09:13 PM
How much are we paying Baynes?

jjktkk
03-30-2013, 09:34 PM
What's a little more pathetic is still relying on Bonner and Blair to play the 4 in the playoffs because they "know the system". As if being just being the right spots prevents these midgets from getting dunked on, or somehow enables them to grab rebounds over guys taller than them.

But we've seen this before, only for Pop to panic and change his mind when they are down in a series.

You realize you talking about "relying" on the 4th and 5th big right? Lol, the Spurs would be in big trouble, if they have to rely on Blair and Bonner.

Obstructed_View
03-30-2013, 09:59 PM
I don't even think anyone is arguing against trying Baynes out, but people really are saying the Spurs' championship hopes ride heavily on his inclusion on the active roster.

It's a little pathetic.
For someone who's spent so much time in this thread talking about strawman arguments, it's interesting that you throw this up here. People have been suggesting that he get Blair minutes since this thread started, and all you've done is ridicule them. When someone asked to explain how he's failed in his knowledge of the system, you criticized the poster's spelling. I missed where anyone has said that the Spurs needed Baynes to win a title this year, though if someone has said it, they're in the minority when compared to people who have done little more than express frustration that Baynes isn't getting some of Blair's minutes.

There were people saying the Spurs' chances of getting out of the first round, and by extension, their title hopes rode heavily on playing the seven-foot rookie rotting on the bench, but that was two years ago, the center was Tiago Splitter, and those people turned out to be correct.

A few weeks ago, there was an argument to be made that Baynes could be more useful than Bonner or Blair. We know Baynes can block shots. It's likely too late now, as Pop would probably rather have the number one seed than try to mess with the rotation any more than he is. Trying to integrate either De Colo or Joseph into the rotation is enough work, and certainly the higher priority at this point. The Spurs haven't made it easy for Pop to put a lot of faith in Baynes lately, as they haven't been putting distance between themselves and their opponents.

Pop would not be happy to lose a game because his rookie came in and laid an egg like Baynes did in the D league the other night. There is that danger, but if the Spurs aren't going to have Blair play in the postseason, it would have been nice to get Baynes some playing time. He hasn't looked Finleyish or Elsonish on defense at any point, and we know he's got a good motor. Getting himself kicked out of the D league game will do little to improve the team's confidence in his decision making. You can tolerate that kind of crap from Jack, but not from a rookie unless he's really contributing.

UZER
03-30-2013, 10:12 PM
You realize you talking about "relying" on the 4th and 5th big right? Lol, the Spurs would be in big trouble, if they have to rely on Blair and Bonner.

Don't pull that shit. You know what people on the board are referring to. Any one that sees any minutes in the playoffs is relied on on some level.

benfti
03-30-2013, 11:16 PM
Just to change the momentum of this thread a little, i would like to see them send Patty down to get some burn, he has not seen some serious minutes in a really long time

Obstructed_View
03-31-2013, 04:19 AM
If Neal's health is at all a question, then giving Mills some chances to keep his wind up would be a great idea.

jjktkk
03-31-2013, 09:35 AM
Don't pull that shit. You know what people on the board are referring to. Any one that sees any minutes in the playoffs is relied on on some level.

I'm giving you shit, because your overanalyzing bench players that will not have a significant role in the playoffs. And if they do have a significant role, the Spurs will be in trouble. Take a look around at any teams 4th and 5th bigs, and tell me wtf you expect out of them? Your honestly going to rely on them?

UZER
03-31-2013, 10:14 AM
You are undervaluing how quickly a playoff game can swing when a "4/5th big" comes in and gives up points/rebounds in his little ol 5-10 minutes a game. I would rather have Baynes guard javale McGee for 5-10 min in a playoff game than Blair or Bonner. You can't coach tall and wide.

its for those exact 5-10 minutes Baynes size is valuable as a 4/5th big.

UZER
03-31-2013, 10:18 AM
^^its why pop panived and started playing splitter against Memphis, even though he wasn't "system" ready.

Darkwaters
03-31-2013, 10:30 AM
The problem with Pop and the FO is they are thinking future too much. That's why the team hasn't won since '07. They need to have the it's now or never mindset.

I'm pretty sure you're advocating the "Richard Jefferson Plan".

That was pretty much a bust. The Kawhi Leonard plan looks much better.

Obstructed_View
03-31-2013, 11:56 AM
I'm giving you shit, because your overanalyzing bench players that will not have a significant role in the playoffs. And if they do have a significant role, the Spurs will be in trouble. Take a look around at any teams 4th and 5th bigs, and tell me wtf you expect out of them? Your honestly going to rely on them?

That being the case, I'm wondering why you're so rabidly defending a 4th or 5th big's minutes in regular season games. Why not give them to someone with a much higher upside?

jjktkk
03-31-2013, 12:10 PM
That being the case, I'm wondering why you're so rabidly defending a 4th or 5th big's minutes in regular season games. Why not give them to someone with a much higher upside?

Good question? I base my take on what I see, or in this case, what I don't see. Baynes being a rotation player this year.

ChumpDumper
03-31-2013, 12:25 PM
For someone who's spent so much time in this thread talking about strawman arguments, it's interesting that you throw this up here. People have been suggesting that he get Blair minutes since this thread started, and all you've done is ridicule them. When someone asked to explain how he's failed in his knowledge of the system, you criticized the poster's spelling. I missed where anyone has said that the Spurs needed Baynes to win a title this year, though if someone has said it, they're in the minority when compared to people who have done little more than express frustration that Baynes isn't getting some of Blair's minutes.So the championship hopes don't rest on playing Baynes this season.

Thank you.

Then why the big deal?


There were people saying the Spurs' chances of getting out of the first round, and by extension, their title hopes rode heavily on playing the seven-foot rookie rotting on the bench, but that was two years ago, the center was Tiago Splitter, and those people turned out to be correct.Yes, possible pasts play out exactly the way you want them to in fantasy land. That's the best thing about retcon championships.

And this is nowhere near Splitter level. This is a Ian Mensa-Bonimi argument.


A few weeks ago, there was an argument to be made that Baynes could be more useful than Bonner or Blair. We know Baynes can block shots. It's likely too late now, as Pop would probably rather have the number one seed than try to mess with the rotation any more than he is. Trying to integrate either De Colo or Joseph into the rotation is enough work, and certainly the higher priority at this point. The Spurs haven't made it easy for Pop to put a lot of faith in Baynes lately, as they haven't been putting distance between themselves and their opponents.

Pop would not be happy to lose a game because his rookie came in and laid an egg like Baynes did in the D league the other night. There is that danger, but if the Spurs aren't going to have Blair play in the postseason, it would have been nice to get Baynes some playing time. He hasn't looked Finleyish or Elsonish on defense at any point, and we know he's got a good motor. Getting himself kicked out of the D league game will do little to improve the team's confidence in his decision making. You can tolerate that kind of crap from Jack, but not from a rookie unless he's really contributing.Thanks again for saying his playing won't make a difference.

That's all I was looking for tbh.

ChumpDumper
03-31-2013, 12:26 PM
That being the case, I'm wondering why you're so rabidly defending a 4th or 5th big's minutes in regular season games. Why not give them to someone with a much higher upside?Is he really defending it the way you think he is?

Is anyone?

ace3g
03-31-2013, 02:36 PM
Paul Garcia PS ‏@24writer (https://twitter.com/24writer) 4m (https://twitter.com/24writer/status/318445487365709825) Per the #Spurs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Spurs&src=hash), Aron Baynes has been recalled FROM the Austin #Toros (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Toros&src=hash).

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Time to unleash Bane on the Heat

capek
03-31-2013, 03:13 PM
Paul Garcia PS ‏@24writer (https://twitter.com/24writer) 4m (https://twitter.com/24writer/status/318445487365709825) Per the #Spurs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Spurs&src=hash), Aron Baynes has been recalled FROM the Austin #Toros (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Toros&src=hash).

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Time to unleash Bane on the Heat

If only. :depressed

Pop
03-31-2013, 03:36 PM
Well we have to get the better of them inside to have any chance so there's some hope...

MarCowMar
03-31-2013, 03:57 PM
Maybe Pop wants to put in Bayne for a few minutes and see if he can disrupt any of the Miami bigs?

Obstructed_View
03-31-2013, 07:45 PM
So the championship hopes don't rest on playing Baynes this season.
The only place anyone seems to be making that logical connection is between your ears.


Then why the big deal?
The only people that can answer that question are the ones who so vehemently shit on anyone who suggests that Baynes should be getting some minutes. You're part of that group.


Yes, possible pasts play out exactly the way you want them to in fantasy land. That's the best thing about retcon championships.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you were the only one that could dredge into someone's past opinions about Splitter to discredit them in this discussion.


And this is nowhere near Splitter level. This is a Ian Mensa-Bonimi argument.
So you're on record saying Baynes will never be an NBA player. Good to know.


Thanks again for saying his playing won't make a difference.
Actually, I said it's probably too late because Pop waited too long. I didn't say it wouldn't have made a difference. But since you now have said that you think Baynes will have the same impact in the NBA as Pops Mensa-Bonsu, we have something to revisit later.

Obstructed_View
03-31-2013, 07:48 PM
Good question? I base my take on what I see, or in this case, what I don't see. Baynes being a rotation player this year.
You and Chump certainly seem to be passionate about something that you continue to claim is so meaningless.

ChumpDumper
04-01-2013, 01:50 PM
The only place anyone seems to be making that logical connection is between your ears.Then why u mad?



The only people that can answer that question are the ones who so vehemently shit on anyone who suggests that Baynes should be getting some minutes. You're part of that group.Untrue. I challenge people when i see they are over their skis. they get angry.


Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you were the only one that could dredge into someone's past opinions about Splitter to discredit them in this discussion.Your anger and bias blind you to the simple fact that I was fine with the idea of playing Splitter more.



So you're on record saying Baynes will never be an NBA player. Good to know.Straw man?

Really? Very disappointing and pathetic of you tbh.



Actually, I said it's probably too late because Pop waited too long. I didn't say it wouldn't have made a difference. But since you now have said that you think Baynes will have the same impact in the NBA as Pops Mensa-Bonsu, we have something to revisit later.Never said anything of the sort -- I was commenting on the ridiculous hype this guy is getting which was just like that of Pops and Ian in the past. People still have them putting the Spurs over the top in their retcon championship runs.

Baynes will be in the league for a few years. I don't know his true ceiling. From what I've seen he might not end up being much of a threat in the post because it's proving to be kind of easy to deny him the ball and he doesn't have many moves if he does get it. That could change if he learns how to use his size and strength more effectively. fortunately he does have some range on his jumper, so he at least won't get in the way of a halfcourt set and could be effective in pick and rolls.

Defensively, he's been matched up against smaller players with some perimeter skills, so it's been a process of finding the balance between defending the jumper and preventing the drive. The results have been mixed. He will certainly defend some larger players in the NBA, but if he plays with Duncan or Splitter he could certainly be put on more perimeter oriented bigs since he's probably quicker than those two. In that respect at least, the opposition and the pace of the D-League games are good for his development.

If you have a different scouting report after watching several of his D-League games, post it.

spurraider21
04-01-2013, 09:34 PM
As much as I was saying Baynes isn't ready, it pains me to see Bonner being out there in closing minutes in back to back games.

ace3g
04-05-2013, 03:14 PM
Baynes back to Toros

Hector Ledesma ‏@HectorLedesmaJr (https://twitter.com/HectorLedesmaJr) 1m (https://twitter.com/HectorLedesmaJr/status/320267761240649728) Spurs today announced that they have assigned center Aron Baynes to the Austin Toros of the NBA Development League.

Budkin
04-05-2013, 04:39 PM
Awesome, he actually understands the Toros system. :pop:

TheGoldStandard
04-05-2013, 05:25 PM
In related news Pop is trying to work a deal to get Brian Scalabrine and Raef Lafrentz on the team next year to be there bigs next season. Pop was quoted as to saying "Fuck an inside presence."

benfti
04-05-2013, 06:22 PM
how many games before the play offs?

boutons_deux
04-05-2013, 06:26 PM
how many games before the play offs?

http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/clinching_scenarios.html

ace3g
04-05-2013, 06:28 PM
Toros have a game today at 7 pm cst so that is probably the reason for the assignment.

ChumpDumper
04-05-2013, 06:39 PM
Toros have a game today at 7 pm cst so that is probably the reason for the assignment.He could play both games in McAllen this weekend. We'll see if he stays assigned during the D-League playoffs after that.

ace3g
04-05-2013, 07:55 PM
lol Vipers player after making ho hum layup, tosses ball into crowd, gets thrown out, lol

taps
04-09-2013, 06:35 PM
Haha wow that's bush league

Pop
04-10-2013, 11:58 PM
Baynes made the defense much better than the turd towers coorporate knowledge tonight.