Enough Already!

[angel_luv]

Is anyone besides me a little disturbed by the fact that Tim Duncan is the only man on this year's Spurs' roster who was present for all three championship runs?
I wish Pop and company would stop trading the team away and give this group a chance to actually repeat.

Is that really too much to ask?

[Timoha]

Relax. Most of our core players are signed for the nextseveral years. And all teams make a few changes in the offseason if it gives them a chance to become better.

[2centsworth]

Who are they trading that mattered?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Is anyone besides me a little disturbed by the fact that Tim Duncan is the only man on this year's Spurs' roster who was present for all three championship runs?
I wish Pop and company would stop trading the team away and give this group a chance to actually repeat.

Is that really too much to ask?
Keep in mind that if they hadn't made changes to the roster, Manu wouldn't be here and Tony wouldn't be here. So not all changes are bad

[angel_luv]

Keep in mind that if they hadn't made changes to the roster, Manu wouldn't be here and Tony wouldn't be here. So not all changes are bad


That's very true. My argument is fair from entirely fair. It's just that I have never liked an entire Spurs team like I do this one. I think they are all keepers.

[Kori Ellis]

:lol


I wish Pop and company would stop trading the team away

Who have they ever traded that mattered after winning a title?

Whatever the Spurs do, it's to make the team better.

[angel_luv]

Who are they trading that mattered?

Hopefully no one. Knock on wood.

Personally, I hate all the Rasho trade talk.

[samikeyp]

You do what you gotta do to win, Angel. Some players got old, some outlived their usefulness. Look at the bright side. The front office was able to get quality players to put around Tim and David (then just Tim) and keep the team at a contending level. Like Timoha said, the core of this team is locked up for awhile....imagine what can get done now that these guys are getting more familiar with the system and each other. Brighter days are on the horizon.

[SequSpur]

If we had Jaren Jackson, we would've won 6 championships already.

[SWC Bonfire]

Well, Manu was drafted in 1999...no real replacement there. Tony pretty much was the replacement for AJ... but who says the Spurs pass on him otherwise?

[angel_luv]

Okay. Leave me Timmy, Rasho, Beno, Gino, Bruce, Robert, Brent Barry, and Devin Brown. Then trade the rest, if you must. = )

[SWC Bonfire]

If we had Jaren Jackson, we would've won 6 championships already.

OH GOOD GOD... :lol

[Extra Stout]

Is anyone besides me a little disturbed by the fact that Tim Duncan is the only man on this year's Spurs' roster who was present for all three championship runs?
I wish Pop and company would stop trading the team away and give this group a chance to actually repeat.

Is that really too much to ask?This is the most clueless post I've read in a long time.

News flash -- THE MAJORITY OF THE 1999 TEAM IS NOW A BUNCH OF RETIRED GUYS.

Update: Oh, I see, this is really a "please please pretty please don't trade Rasho" thread, not a "why didn't they keep the core of that '99 team together as they aged into their forties" thread.

[bigzak25]

"i won't leave you angel. ever ever ever."
http://www.mamut.com/homepages/United_States/3/16/BBXNews/rasa-pogled-zastita.jpg

[angel_luv]

I mentioned 1999 to establish that the Spurs franchise has a habit of not keeping people. Who knows how many 1999 people that are still in the league were with us for both championships?

[angel_luv]

Both being 1999 and 2003.

[Kori Ellis]

Well there were 4 years between 1999 and 2003 and the 1999 team was already old - that's the reason there weren't a lot of holdovers.

The core of the 2005-06 Spurs will be very similar to the 2004-05 Spurs because they are relatively young.

[Extra Stout]

I mentioned 1999 to establish that the Spurs franchise has a habit of not keeping people. Who knows how many 1999 people that are still in the league were with us for both championships?

1999 ROSTER

Tim Duncan -- still around
David Robinson -- stayed a Spur until retirement
Sean Elliott -- stayed a Spur until retirement
Avery Johnson -- stayed a Spur until retirement
Mario Elie -- played another year, was washed up, went to Phx for a year, retired
Antonio Daniels -- stayed a Spur three more years until he requested a trade so he could play shooting guard somewhere
Jaren Jackson -- got a big fat contract and retired in place -- as a Spur
Jerome Kersey -- immediately retired
Will Perdue -- disliked SA and went back to Chicago
Malik Rose -- played five and a half more years in SA
Steve Kerr -- played three of his last four years as a Spur

Yeah, 1999 really bolsters your case. To answer your question, of the five players from the '99 team who were still in the league in '03, four won another championship with the Spurs. The only one to go was AD, and that was at his own request because he didn't want to play PG.

Please change the thread title to "Just please don't trade rasho I love him I love him I love him"

[angel_luv]

We must have scrapped a lot of guys after the 2003 championship for Timmy to be the only surviver. I know David Robinson and Danny Ferry retired. Where did the rest go?

[angel_luv]

Yeah, 1999 really bolsters your case. Please change the thread title to "Just please don't trade rasho I love him I love him I love him"
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Touche! Caught me! :lol If Kori can change it, I won't object! :lol

[Merlin]

Wouldn't have got Nazr this year if not for making trades to improve your team. The opportunities come up every so often and you have to take advantage of them if you can. The great franchises do this.

[SWC Bonfire]

Wouldn't have got Nazr this year if not for making trades to improve your team. The opportunities come up every so often and you have to take advantage of them if you can. The great franchises do this.

Yes they do. The Malik trade disappointed a lot of people, but got us the championship.

We're due as Spurs fans to have a core group of guys compete for the championship year in & year out for a while. I think this was the point of the thread.

[angel_luv]

Nazr was huge for us but I can't take any credit. I wanted to keep Malik.

[Jimcs50]

I feel your pain Angel....but as with the Malik trade, it was for the betterment of the team, so if you want to continue to win championships, you have to accept the fact that this is a business, and every good business has to make decisions that are sometimes not pleasing to everyone in order to prosper.

Rasho will be fine, he makes millions of dollars, he has a hottie wanting to jump his bones...he will be fine.

:)

[Kori Ellis]

We must have scrapped a lot of guys after the 2003 championship for Timmy to be the only surviver. I know David Robinson and Danny Ferry retired. Where did the rest go?

What are you talking about? Bowen, Tony and Manu were all on the 2003 squad.

[angel_luv]

Yes they do. The Malik trade disappointed a lot of people, but got us the championship.

We're due as Spurs fans to have a core group of guys compete for the championship year in & year out for a while. I think this was the point of the thread.


My point exactly. You just said it better. :king

[spurschick]

Hopefully no one. Knock on wood.

Personally, I hate all the Rasho trade talk.

Hey girl - go ahead and PM me your phone number. Something tells me I might have to talk you down off a ledge one of these days. :lol

[Extra Stout]

2003

Tim -- still around
Tony -- still around
Manu -- still around
Bruce -- still around
David -- retired
Danny -- retired
Steve Kerr -- retired
SJax -- went to Atlanta as a FA
Speedy -- went to GS as a FA so he could start
Malik -- traded for Nazr
Kevin Willis -- went back to Atlanta last summer so he could retire there
Steve Smith -- they let him walk

So let's see here... the Spurs "got rid" of Malik Rose, and I guess Stephen Jackson, though that was partly his own doing. Steve Smith never played.

This is a non-issue. Compare the 1980 Lakers to the 1985 Lakers and the only holdovers are Magic and Kareem.

[Kori Ellis]

We're due as Spurs fans to have a core group of guys compete for the championship year in & year out for a while. I think this was the point of the thread.

And even if the Spurs trade one player this summer, the core is still here.

If it wasn't Rasho on the block, angel_luv wouldn't have started this thread.

It's okay, girl. You can still love him if he's in Portland.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yikes. The Spurs might be able to get SAR for Radosoft. Awesome. :drunk

It's not "Kersey for Rahim"...but it's close.

[Merlin]

Yes they do. The Malik trade disappointed a lot of people, but got us the championship.

We're due as Spurs fans to have a core group of guys compete for the championship year in & year out for a while. I think this was the point of the thread.

We already have the core group intact. Duncan, Ginobilli, Parker are all signed to long term deals. That means that this team will contend for the championship every year for a long while. I rather win championships than worry if a role player is traded to improve the team.

[angel_luv]

And even if the Spurs trade one player this summer, the core is still here.

If it wasn't Rasho on the block, angel_luv wouldn't have started this thread.

It's okay, girl. You can still love him if he's in Portland.


I know but it's Rasho I am worried about. You and I both know how much he will miss me. :lol

Darn you Pop! Rasho still has five more strike outs with me!

[Extra Stout]

You know, the only Bulls that carried over from the 1993 champion to the 1996 champion were Jordan and Pippen. Those Chicago fans were robbed of roster continuity.

What bullshit complaint will Spurs fans come up with tomorrow?

[SequSpur]

Fuck it. I agree with this topic.

Pop is notorious for fucking up a championship team.

Seems like he might be getting it right for a change.

[spurschick]

Pop is notorious for fucking up a championship team.

How has he fucked up a championship team?! Three guys retired from 2003, one left with a promise to start elsewhere, etc.

[SequSpur]

How has he fucked up a championship team?! Three guys retired from 2003, one left with a promise to start elsewhere, etc.

How many championships have the spurs won in a row?

Zero.

How many times was Tim Duncan on the team? All of them.

So what's up with the pitter patter?

Pop.

[mcornelio]

pretty please dont trade rasho?

[Timoha]

I also usually feel really sad when players get traded away and it takes me a while to get used to new players. Actually, I couldn't be a Spurs fan if a player like Kobe came to the Spurs. Actualy, bash me if you will, but I am not very comfortable about any other superstar joining the Spurs. But I don't have a problem with a minor trimming of the roster.

[spurschick]

How many championships have the spurs won in a row?

Zero.

How many times was Tim Duncan on the team? All of them.

So what's up with the pitter patter?

Pop.

I know there are some that will strongly disagree with me, but I think that if .4 didn't happen, the Spurs would've won 2004 title, making this year a three-peat.

[SequSpur]

I know there are some that will strongly disagree with me, but I think that if .4 didn't happen, the Spurs would've won 2004 title, making this year a three-peat.


Spurs weren't the better team. Quite simple.

[SequSpur]

Also, after winning a championship with a backcourt of Parker, Speedy and Kerr.

They brought in Heal, Carter and 5 other guys.

Nice. That was the downfall right there.

[samikeyp]

What bullshit complaint will Spurs fans come up with tomorrow?

some of us aren't complaining...some of us are just enjoying a third title! :)

[Kori Ellis]

Also, after winning a championship with a backcourt of Parker, Speedy and Kerr.

How were they supposed to keep Kerr from retiring and Speedy from leaving for a place to start?

[SequSpur]

How were they supposed to keep Kerr from retiring and Speedy from leaving for a place to start?

They didn't have to roll with Anthony Carter and Shane Heal, especially knowing that Parker disappeared when the pressure was on.

Speedy should've had a chance to start after Parker's display. Oh well, water under the bridge, the Spurs won this year, but they should've won in 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2004.

[samikeyp]

but they should've won in 2000,

Damn that meniscus!

[SequSpur]

Damn that meniscus!

Kneepads.

[dn0]

I'm going to miss rasho's dunks.

[angel_luv]

Oops looks like I opened Pandora's box. Undo. Undo. LOL

[angel_luv]

Sorry all for my retarded " logic". But I can't say this was a totally pointless thread. You guys did cheer me up.

[slayermin]

Only player that I wish we still had was Stephen Jackson. But he made the bonehead decicision to pass on the Spurs initial offer in '03. Moneywise, it worked out in the end for him. But if we kept him instead of bringing in Hedo, I think we beat the Lakers and win the title, back to back.

I do know I don't miss Turkeyglue or "Herpes" Smith at all.

[SequSpur]

Only player that I wish we still had was Stephen Jackson. But he made the bonehead decicision to pass on the Spurs initial offer in '03. Moneywise, it worked out in the end for him. But if we kept him instead of bringing in Hedo, I think we beat the Lakers and win the title, back to back.

I do know I don't miss Turkeyglue or "Herpes" Smith at all.

They offered him peanuts, that's why he left.

[ambchang]

I actually think that one reason the Spurs have been so successful is that they kept the main core intact over a long period. it also helps with player development.
I mean, Parker is great, but I am sure some teams would have traded him away after the 04 Lakers series. Horry worked out fine now, but how many teams would have kept him after last year? Beno would have been traded (and still could be) after his performance in the Detroit series.
One reason for the Spurs getting gems low in the draft is because of good scouting, but another reason is also great player development. Parker, Manu and Beno would have been end of the bench guys under Larry Brown or Phil Jackson, and would have had their confidence killed and skills undeveloped.

[drivanroca]

One reason for the Spurs getting gems low in the draft is because of good scouting, but another reason is also great player development. Parker, Manu and Beno would have been end of the bench guys under Larry Brown or Phil Jackson, and would have had their confidence killed and skills undeveloped.

The Skills of Manu and Beno are the same...
Player development? Just in Confidence :D

[Duff McCartney]

Speedy -- went to GS as a FA so he could start

I will always laugh my ass off at Speedy Claxton. Always. He wanted to leave to start...left the Spurs and went to GS. Didn't start there...was behind Derek Fisher. Then got traded to NO and didn't start there...was behind Dan Dickau IIRC. Now the Hornets go and draft a PG. They have 3 PGs, Chris Paul, Dickau, and Claxton.

[AgSpursFan]

Avery Johnson -- stayed a Spur until retirement

Avery didnt retire a spur, he just retired last year as a Mav.

[KEDA]

angel, do I have to call you and talk you down off of the ledge in my Rasho voice???

[angel_luv]

I knew you would say something funny Keda! = ) And yes if the... you know... happens, I'll need the Rasho voice.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I actually think that one reason the Spurs have been so successful is that they kept the main core intact over a long period. it also helps with player development.
I mean, Parker is great, but I am sure some teams would have traded him away after the 04 Lakers series. Horry worked out fine now, but how many teams would have kept him after last year? Beno would have been traded (and still could be) after his performance in the Detroit series.
One reason for the Spurs getting gems low in the draft is because of good scouting, but another reason is also great player development. Parker, Manu and Beno would have been end of the bench guys under Larry Brown or Phil Jackson, and would have had their confidence killed and skills undeveloped.
I'm sorry, but Manu wasn't developed by Pop! He might have improved his defensive skills I'll give you that, 'cause in Pop's system everyone does, but if anything Pop was the one that had to adjust to Manu's crazy ways. I know Manu has learned to be less chaotic because of Pop, but I really don't think he would have been end of bench for any team or any coach. i know Larry is tough on rookies but I also think he's a guy that can tell real talent when he sees it.

[T Park]

Speedy should've had a chance to start after Parker's display

you mean after he outplayed Kidd for 3 out of 6 games?

after he was a stud VS Dallas, Lakers and the latter half of the Phoenix series??

Typical Sequ inteligence.

[nacho estrada]

In the words of Rasho at the championship parade, "WHOOSH!"