Best Trio's in the NBA

[Boo]

Where would you guys think TP, Manu, and TD rank?

And who do you think can compete with them?

Are we the best trio? Why?

I would say top 3 at least but not sure inside of 3.

[danyel]

Shaq Wade Jones

Pretty good too

[tempest186]

Nash, Amare, Marion

[SilverPlayer]

It would look something like this to me.

1 Wallace, Wallace, Billups
2 Tony, Tim, Manu
3 Amare, Marion, Nash
4 Shaq, Wade, Jones
5 Oneil, Artest, Jackson
6 Lebron, Hughes, Ilgauskas
7 Ming, McGrady, Sura or Howard
8 Carter, Kidd, Jefferson
9 Anthony, Camby, Martin
10 Nowitzki, Terry, Van Horn or Stackhouse

[usckk]

Best:
Starting 5: Pistons
Starting 4: Suns
Starting 3: Spurs
Starting 2: Miami
Starting 1: Lakers

[gospursgojas]

It would look something like this to me.

1 Wallace, Wallace, Billups
2 Tony, Tim, Manu
3 Amare, Marion, Nash
4 Shaq, Wade, Jones
5 Oneil, Artest, Jackson
6 Lebron, Hughes, Ilgauskas
7 Ming, McGrady, Sura or Howard
8 Carter, Kidd, Jefferson
9 Anthony, Camby, Martin
10 Nowitzki, Terry, Van Horn or Stackhouse

I agree but I think Carter, Kidd and Jeff should be above the Rockets trio

[SilverPlayer]

The rockets trio one any given day can be like number 5 through number 25...I probably ranked them too high.

Didn't quite make it:
Richardson, Davis, Murphy
Allen, Radmonvic, Lewis
Chandler, Curry, Gordon

Most underperforming trios
Webber, Iverson, Mashburn
Garnett, Cassell, Sprewell
Bryant, Odom, Butler

[gospursgojas]

Gorden, a healthy Curry and hinrich are also pretty good...although Gorden is a sub

[JMarkJohns]

Best:
Starting 5: Pistons
Starting 4: Suns
Starting 3: Spurs
Starting 2: Miami
Starting 1: Lakers

At first I was like WHAT?!?!

Very clever... :lol

[Boo]

It would look something like this to me.

1 Wallace, Wallace, Billups
2 Tony, Tim, Manu
3 Amare, Marion, Nash
4 Shaq, Wade, Jones
5 Oneil, Artest, Jackson
6 Lebron, Hughes, Ilgauskas
7 Ming, McGrady, Sura or Howard
8 Carter, Kidd, Jefferson
9 Anthony, Camby, Martin
10 Nowitzki, Terry, Van Horn or Stackhouse

Great list.

besides the houston trio.

[ALVAREZ6]

I think they are just about the best trio.

When Tim and Manu and Tony are all having a good game, or even just 2 of them, they cannot be stopped.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

I know you said trio, but from the 2005 playoffs, here are the top quints....

5-Man Unit Leaders Team Unit +/- W-L
DET Billups-Hamilton-Prince-R.Wallace-B.Wallace +67 14-8
MIA D.Jones-Wade-E.Jones-Haslem-O'Neal +60 10-1
SAS Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Horry-Duncan +50 15-4
DAL Terry-Stackhouse-Finley-Howard-Nowitzki +32 9-3
SAS Parker-Barry-Ginobili-Horry-Duncan +31 10-5
WAS Arenas-Hughes-Jeffries-Jamison-Haywood +29 6-3
HOU James-Wesley-Barry-McGrady-Mutombo +28 4-2
PHO Nash-Richardson-Johnson-Marion-Stoudemire +23 4-5
WAS Arenas-Dixon-Hughes-Jamison-Haywood +23 5-0
BOS Payton-Davis-Pierce-Walker-Jefferson +22 3-2

Source: http://www.82games.com/playoffs/playoffs.htm

[ALVAREZ6]

From the 2005 playoffs....

5-Man Unit Leaders Team Unit +/- W-L
DET Billups-Hamilton-Prince-R.Wallace-B.Wallace +67 14-8
MIA D.Jones-Wade-E.Jones-Haslem-O'Neal +60 10-1
SAS Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Horry-Duncan +50 15-4
DAL Terry-Stackhouse-Finley-Howard-Nowitzki +32 9-3
SAS Parker-Barry-Ginobili-Horry-Duncan +31 10-5
WAS Arenas-Hughes-Jeffries-Jamison-Haywood +29 6-3
HOU James-Wesley-Barry-McGrady-Mutombo +28 4-2
PHO Nash-Richardson-Johnson-Marion-Stoudemire +23 4-5
WAS Arenas-Dixon-Hughes-Jamison-Haywood +23 5-0
BOS Payton-Davis-Pierce-Walker-Jefferson +22 3-2

Source: http://www.82games.com/playoffs/playoffs.htm
Nice stats!

Looks like Det had the best 5 man team, but look at the record....not as good as the Spurs, and that's all that matters!!!!

Plus, the Spurs are in the top 5 twice with 2 different line-ups...

[CalsonicKansei]

Why do people say LeBron, Hughes and Illguaskus, when they have not even seen them play with each other?

[ALVAREZ6]

Why do people say LeBron, Hughes and Illguaskus, when they have not even seen them play with each other?
No idea, but I don't think they are even a top 5 trio.

Lebron is good by himself, Hughes is just good, and Ilgauskas....he's just a big goofy guy. They aren't that big of a trio IMO.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

if nash amare and marion were the best trio then its already proven thats false when they played us

parker evened out nash
amare went totally awol
marion was an invisible man...

we won 4-1....

[clubalien]

m irving, e smith, t akiman OH NBA

[cmc$purs]

the trio with the rings :king :king :king


nuggets,sonics,suns,pistons :owned

[bigbendbruisebrother]

Nice stats!

Looks like Det had the best 5 man team, but look at the record....not as good as the Spurs, and that's all that matters!!!!

Plus, the Spurs are in the top 5 twice with 2 different line-ups...

And note Barry's presence in the second rotation. That was a complete turnaround from earlier in the playoffs (from a +/- standpoint in the first two series, Barry was poison; I think he alone was a -9 against Seattle). But the combination of having Manu, Barry and Horry on the floor really spread things out offensively against Phoenix and Detroit, and that was the rotation that got things done late in games in the last two rounds.

[Supergirl]

BEST DUOS
1 Wallace, Wallace, Billups - As individuals, I think they're a little better simply
because Billups >Parker, in strength alone.
1 Tony, Tim, Manu - I think Manu and Duncan have the intangibles that top any of
the big three on the Pistons.
3 Amare, Marion, Nash (Thomas might be the third, too, we'll see)
4 Anthony, Camby, Martin (or would Miller/Boykins be the 3rd)

Best duos:
1 Yao, McGrady
2 Shaq, Wade
3 O'Neal, Jackson

Most underachieving duos
1 Carter, Kidd
2 Kobe, Odom
3 Iverson, Webb
4 Nowitzki, Stackhouse

[AI-square]

...
Most underperforming trios
Webber, Iverson, Mashburn


Hey.. Mashburn never played a match for the Sixers. That's unfair! :bang

[Boo]

Best duos:
1 Yao, McGrady
2 Shaq, Wade
3 O'Neal, Jackson



Ummm, TD and Manu are better than them.


No idea, but I don't think they are even a top 5 trio.
Lebron is good by himself, Hughes is just good, and Ilgauskas....he's just a big goofy guy. They aren't that big of a trio IMO.

They all put up about +20ppg, plus Ilgauskas' rebounds, James' Steals and assists, and Hughes' defense. They are defenitely a top 5 trio to me.

[King]

if nash amare and marion were the best trio then its already proven thats false when they played us

parker evened out nash
amare went totally awol
marion was an invisible man...

we won 4-1....


Were we watching the same series?

[Spursdaone]

Nash shouldn't have to guard Parker because Joe Johnson should do that. Thank goodness Bowen isn't an offensive threat or Phoenix would be in real trouble with Nash guarding Bowen. Marion will guard Ginobili and might make a big difference in the series with that matchup. Miami and Phoenix have the best trio.

[violentkitten]

the one thing that is nice is that the spurs have two guys in their prime and one who is still on his way up. it's also nice that all 3 of them are under 30 years old.

[Spursdaone]

The most important one will be 30 soon.

[violentkitten]

so what?

[Spursdaone]

It doesn't matter how young the other players are if Duncan is over the hill.

[violentkitten]

that's not "over the hill", especially for a big.

at least try next time.

[tophy7]

He says Duncan is over the hill so Spurs can't have the best trio
Now let's see he picks Suns and Heat
For the Suns Nash is 32 years old but he can't be over the hill because he's not a spurs player. Then he picks the Heat and Shaq is 34 years old but he can't be over the hill because of the same reason above.

[Phenomanul]

I know you said trio, but from the 2005 playoffs, here are the top quints....

5-Man Unit Leaders Team Unit +/- W-L
DET Billups-Hamilton-Prince-R.Wallace-B.Wallace +67 14-8
MIA D.Jones-Wade-E.Jones-Haslem-O'Neal +60 10-1
SAS Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Horry-Duncan +50 15-4
DAL Terry-Stackhouse-Finley-Howard-Nowitzki +32 9-3
SAS Parker-Barry-Ginobili-Horry-Duncan +31 10-5
WAS Arenas-Hughes-Jeffries-Jamison-Haywood +29 6-3
HOU James-Wesley-Barry-McGrady-Mutombo +28 4-2
PHO Nash-Richardson-Johnson-Marion-Stoudemire +23 4-5
WAS Arenas-Dixon-Hughes-Jamison-Haywood +23 5-0
BOS Payton-Davis-Pierce-Walker-Jefferson +22 3-2

Source: http://www.82games.com/playoffs/playoffs.htm

Don't forget the conference effect; DET and MIA get their stats against a much weaker conference.

[Boo]

yea, the carter/kidd/jefferson trio is sick

but their not better than td/tp/manu.

[HB22inSA]

When they're clicking, Duncan, Ginobili, and (ahem) Parker are the best trio by far.

[Boo]

When they're clicking, Duncan, Ginobili, and (ahem) Parker are the best trio by far.

that's ONLY if parker plays his game.

no playoff type choke games

[Manu20]

Parker, Duncan, and Manu because they already have 2 rings.

[tophy7]

Parker still averaged 17 ppg in the playoffs

[HB22inSA]

Don't get me started on Parker...

He's just a few steps behind Jaren Jackson in my book, and Jackson had a better jumper.

[tophy7]

Reg season averages
TD 20.3 TP 16.6 Manu 16.0
Playoffs
TD 23.6 Manu 20.8 TP 17.2

[Boo]

Im not talkin trash about parker..

Im just saying he has to play his A-Game if he wants to be at the top

[HB22inSA]

Scoring doesn't impress me.

I want Parker in the 7.0-7.5 assist per game category.

The Spurs have enough scoring punch.

They need a consistent point guard to run the team, and not have to put your two-guard over there to pick up the slack.

[tophy7]

In the Spurs offense it's hard for Parker to get those numbers.

[Spursdaone]

On answering about why I picked the suns and heat. Their most important player is young. Stoudemire and Wade are the future and I don't expect Parker and Ginobili to be at that level to keep up after Duncan gets a little older.

[Mixability]

He says Duncan is over the hill so Spurs can't have the best trio
Now let's see he picks Suns and Heat
For the Suns Nash is 32 years old but he can't be over the hill because he's not a spurs player. Then he picks the Heat and Shaq is 34 years old but he can't be over the hill because of the same reason above.

Hey, Spursdaone, how many times do you have to be proven wrong in order for you to stop with your idiotic posts? :lol

[BruceBowenFan]

yea

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Were we watching the same series?


awol means he totally kicked ass, i did not mean it literally

amare kicking our asses did not make up for the fact that nash and marion were outplayed...

[toosmallshoes]

What was your favorite trio of all time?
The 80's Celtics with Bird, McHale, and Parish?
The 80's Lakers with Magic, Worthy, and Jabbar?
the 00's Spurs with Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker?
the 50's Celtics with Russel, Jones, and Cousey?
The 90's Bulls with Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman/Grant?
The 70's Lakers with Chamberlain, West, and Baylor?

There have been some fine trios in this league.

[Spursman21]

HOW ABOUT THE TRIPLE THREAT...man they are non stopable..go spurs go!

[msufan420]

What was your favorite trio of all time?
The 80's Celtics with Bird, McHale, and Parish?
The 80's Lakers with Magic, Worthy, and Jabbar?
the 00's Spurs with Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker?
the 50's Celtics with Russel, Jones, and Cousey?
The 90's Bulls with Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman/Grant?
The 70's Lakers with Chamberlain, West, and Baylor?

There have been some fine trios in this league.

Where's Isiah, Dumars, and Rodman/Laimbeer?

[14dave]

The best trio in the league is this one :
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8517/big36ug.jpg

No doubt about it! :king

[1Parker1]

:lmao at even this thread turning into a Parker sucks thread...

[waly.mg]

the best trio.

Duncan - Manu - Horry

[Spursdaone]

The spurs have clearly a better bench than Phoenix but Phoenix has the best trio. Miami and San Antonio are good to.

[tophy7]

Duncan > Amare
Nash > Parker
Manu > Johnson

Spurs better trio

[Spursdaone]

Marion=Manu
Nash>>Parker
Duncan>Amare

[midgetonadonkey]

The spurs have clearly a better bench than Phoenix but Phoenix has the best trio. Miami and San Antonio are good to.

I'd have to give the San Antonio trio the benefit, simply because they outplayed them in their WCF series. Nash and Amare were good during the series, but where was Marion? Was he even playing? He is part of the trio you mention right?

Duncan 27.4ppg 9.2rpg 3.2apg 1.8bpg
Ginobili 22.2ppg 6.2rpg 4.8apg 2.0spg
Parker 20.4ppg 3.0rpg 4.2apg 1.2spg

Amare 37ppg 9.8rpg 1.4apg 1spg
Nash 23.2ppg 3.8rpg 10.6apg 1.2spg
Marion 7.8ppg 10.8rpg 1.0apg 1.4spg

[tophy7]

:lol @ Marion = Manu

[Spursdaone]

:lol @ Marion = Manu
Bruce Bowen doesn't count in the trio. In the regular season and the first 2 rounds Manu=Marion. Q. guarding Manu is alot worse than Bowen guarding Marion.

[tophy7]

You're the first one to bring up Bowen, but if Marion was as good as Manu he would've found a way to score on Bowen.

Manu >>>>>> Marion the choker

[constantstate]

Marion=Manu

vision care and you (http://idoc.davisvision.com/davis/es/VisionCareResources/vision_02.htm)

[Spursdaone]

Marion was embarrasing the Dallas Mavericks but having Bowen on him took him out of his game. San Antonio also has good interior defense with Mohammad and Duncan. Marion does alot of the little things.

[tophy7]

Manu averaged 18.7 ppg on a tough defensive Pistons team with just as good of interior presence as Spurs and Marion couldn't even average 10 ppg against Spurs

Marion is a joke and don't even bring up the series against Mavs like it brings any relevance.

Manu >>>>> Marion

The end.

[tophy7]

On comes the excuses.....

[Spursdaone]

Well it still equals out with Johnson<Manu or Marion<Manu. Suns have the best duo for sure.

[tophy7]

Manu is a better player than both

[WalterBenitez]

It would look something like this to me.

1 Wallace, Wallace, Billups
2 Tony, Tim, Manu
3 Amare, Marion, Nash
4 Shaq, Wade, Jones
5 Oneil, Artest, Jackson
6 Lebron, Hughes, Ilgauskas
7 Ming, McGrady, Sura or Howard
8 Carter, Kidd, Jefferson
9 Anthony, Camby, Martin
10 Nowitzki, Terry, Van Horn or Stackhouse

I agree, but some of these are very unestable, for instance

What about Phoenix without Nash? in the other hand Wade did some good games without Shaq! :spin

Yao, TMAC, Sura will improve, perhaps if TMAC decided not to be so SUPERSTAR and being more team oriented. :oops

Pistons' TRIO for me is a tremendous weapon, it is fair to consider them among the top 2 or 3.

but the more balanced for me is Spurs' TRIO; TIM playing like usual (which is really amazing), Tony penetrating and Manu ... you know ... ginobilizing :lol

We should split the considerations in terms of Offense and Defense ... :angel

[Spursdaone]

I just said that. Manu is not that much better than J. Johnson. Look at both players stats which is in favor of J. Johnson. Spurs have better defense around Manu who helped some there also.
J. Johnson= or greater than Manu on offense
Manu>J. Johnson on defense but how much is that the defensive system of San Antonio and the offensive system of Phoenix. It is hard to compare.

[Ginobilly]

As of recently in the NBA:

Tony, Tim, Manu: 2 titles in the last three years. Nuff said! Scorebroad bitches!

second best trio: Wallace Bros/Rip/ Chaunky Billups.

[HB22inSA]

It would be interesting to see what Ginobili would play like if he was guarded by Bowen...

[nkdlunch]

Read sig :)

[TPMG2007]

Just saw this article and I don't think it was posted.http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/9110634

Terrific trios: Three's good company for these 10 teams
Dec. 21, 2005
By Tony Mejia
CBS SportsLine.com Staff Writer
Tell Tony your opinion!


One could argue that the Los Angeles Lakers championship teams from earlier this decade broke a clear NBA mold -- the rule of three. For the most part, elite teams have been built around a trio of superb players, from Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish with Boston to L.A.'s Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and James Worthy to Detroit's Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars and Bill Laimbeer and the Bulls' Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant (followed by Dennis Rodman).


Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter enjoy getting passes from Jason Kidd. (Getty Images)
No disrespect to Derek Fisher, but he didn't quite fit the criteria of a great No. 3 option despite his numerous contributions, yet the Lakers were able to get enough from their complementary players to supplement the efforts of Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant. Once those two went their separate ways, San Antonio emerged, re-establishing the trio trend with Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili leading the charge. The Pistons actually step it up to five-deep in terms of real quality, although Ben Wallace, Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups have come to the forefront, enjoying All-Star-caliber seasons.

In CBS SportsLine.com's estimation, here are the 10 best trios in the NBA today:

1. Detroit: B. Wallace, Hamilton, Billups. It's hard to exclude Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince from the equation, but the three listed have been the guiding forces in helping build the league's best record. Ben Wallace is the defensive anchor and dominates on the boards, while Hamilton and Billups are enjoying career years. Both are currently averaging all-time highs in scoring and shooting over 40 percent from 3-point range for the first time ever.

2. San Antonio: Duncan, Parker, Ginobili. Young and formidable, this bunch already has already captured a pair of rings and is expected to add to the collection before their time together is through. Duncan hasn't played his best this season but will no doubt show up when it counts, while Ginobili has been hampered by injuries. Their slow starts have allowed Parker to take a larger role in the offense, leading to his best season yet and increasing the likelihood of him earning his first All-Star berth.

3. Miami: O'Neal, Dwyane Wade, Alonzo Mourning. This one's tricky; O'Neal and Mourning are rarely on the floor at the same time, but you can't argue placing the league's leader in blocks per game among the Heat's top three performers. It will be up to Pat Riley to maximize his effectiveness and keep his playing time up, particularly since his defense helps set the tone. Obviously, O'Neal and Wade are the top 1-2 combination in the game. Not much else needs to be said.

4. New Jersey: Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson. The Nets are picking it up lately, and it's starting with defense. Lawrence Frank has urged his team to pressure and get in opponents' faces, and it has aided the transition game, allowing them to run up and down the court as they envisioned when they acquired Carter. Jefferson's wrist injury last season foiled the Nets' plans, but everyone appears to be getting acclimated as the new year arrives.

5. Cleveland: LeBron James, Larry Hughes, Zydrunas Ilguaskas. James is having his breakout year, topping the 30-point plateau for the first time despite much stronger personnel around him. The presence of Larry Hughes has made the game much easier for him, while the 7-foot-3 Ilgauskas, his primary running mate since he came into the league, has remained healthy and productive despite slightly fewer touches.

6. L.A. Clippers: Elton Brand, Sam Cassell, Corey Maggette. Brand is having an MVP-type season, carrying the Clips the way Karl Malone once carried Utah. He delivers every night. Cassell's leadership has played a vital part in the team's resurgence, and he's keeping everyone involved with an identical assist clip to the one from in his first year in Minnesota, where he helped guide the Wolves to a Western Conference Finals berth. Maggette has missed roughly half of L.A.'s games with foot problems, but when healthy, he's a dependable 20-point scorer who generates fouls and easy baskets. Cuttino Mobley deserves mention, operating as one of the strongest No. 4 options in the NBA.

7. Golden State: Baron Davis, Jason Richardson, Troy Murphy. Since Davis' arrival, the Warriors are pushing a 50-win pace, proving how valuable a strong point guard can truly be. He's helped accelerate the development of rising stars Richardson and Murphy, making the game much easier for them. J-Rich is taking smarter shots, while Murphy is on pace to shatter his career records from 3-point land.

8. Dallas: Dirk Nowitzki, Josh Howard, Jason Terry. Nowitzki was doing a little too much heavy lifting last season with Michael Finley on the decline and Terry finding his way on a new team, but this year the reinforcements are strong. Howard has emerged as one of the game's elite young players, doing it on both ends of the floor, while Terry continues to progress nicely. Meanwhile, Nowitzki continues to do his thing, averaging over 25 points and nine boards for the third time in four seasons.

9. Washington: Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison, Caron Butler. Though not quite as strong as they were last season with Hughes on board, the Wizards still have a highly respected three-pronged attack with the arrival of Butler, the early front-runner for sixth man of the year. Unfortunately, their efforts have not translated to victories as they did last season, due largely in part to a regression on the defensive end.

10. Phoenix: Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw. Obviously, if Amare Stoudemire were included in this group, the Suns would certainly rank among the league's elite. With him out, they still cling to a Top 10 spot thanks to the brilliance of Nash and the stat-stuffing versatility of Marion and Diaw.

Honorable mention: Philadelphia (Allen Iverson, Chris Webber, Andre Iguodala); Memphis (Pau Gasol, Eddie Jones, Shane Battier); Sacramento (Mike Bibby, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Peja Stojakovic/Bonzi Wells).

[TDMVPDPOY]

1. me,myself and i

[Athenea]

1. me,myself and i
:lol

[Sense]

1. me,myself and i

Said Kobe when asked about his opinion...

[The sone]

i like "earth, wind, and fire"...but i dont think they were ever in the nba.

[Rummpd]

I think with the Spurs you have to 4, i.e., instead of talking about trios, we should be talking about best quartets. Bowen is so damm important to this team - few other teams have a true designated Kobe or TMac disrupter. He is also leading or near the top of 3 point percentage.

[ObiwanGinobili]

I know you said trio, but from the 2005 playoffs, here are the top quints....

5-Man Unit Leaders Team Unit +/- W-L
DET Billups-Hamilton-Prince-R.Wallace-B.Wallace +67 14-8
MIA D.Jones-Wade-E.Jones-Haslem-O'Neal +60 10-1
SAS Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Horry-Duncan +50 15-4
DAL Terry-Stackhouse-Finley-Howard-Nowitzki +32 9-3
SAS Parker-Barry-Ginobili-Horry-Duncan +31 10-5
WAS Arenas-Hughes-Jeffries-Jamison-Haywood +29 6-3
HOU James-Wesley-Barry-McGrady-Mutombo +28 4-2
PHO Nash-Richardson-Johnson-Marion-Stoudemire +23 4-5
WAS Arenas-Dixon-Hughes-Jamison-Haywood +23 5-0
BOS Payton-Davis-Pierce-Walker-Jefferson +22 3-2

Source: http://www.82games.com/playoffs/playoffs.htm


Freaking BOWEN is the man! :drunk I am sick of him being underappreciated by the rest of the league (and sadly some spurs fans too:()
right here he's worht 19pts to us on the floor.
i liek Barry... but Bowen frigging owns!

[pjjrfan]

I don't know about trio, there are a lot better scoring trios out there, but I would say as a Team, they have been the best 2 out of the last 3 years and hopefully make it 3 out of the last 4 and back to back for the first time for this franchise.