Texas Republicans on verge of passing abortion law

[boutons_deux]

You've made this idiotic statement before. You've been proven demonstrably wrong. You can stop saying it now.

Simpleton

TB :lol As always, you proved nothing except your won incorrigible snarkiness and self-adulation. :lol The Great Boutons is greatly amused! :lol

[boutons_deux]

Will the Supreme Court Mess with Texas?

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/07/130715_DX_WendyDavis.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg


The Texas abortion restrictions that passed last week could close most of the clinics in the state (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/25/us/texas-house-restricts-abortions-in-a-move-that-could-force-clinics-to-shut.html) and send women across the border to Mexico for pills that induce miscarriage in the first trimester (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/us/in-mexican-pill-a-texas-option-for-an-abortion.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0). It’s also the big new abortion law with the best chance of landing before the Supreme Court.


I don’t say that lightly. Many of the scores of restrictions the states have passed since the 2010 elections (http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/07/anti_abortion_legislation_in_the_states_will_bills _in_texas_north_carolina.html) (when Republicans took over a whole bunch of statehouses) will meet their end in the lower courts. Unless and until Roe is overturned, they are clearly unconstitutional, and most judges will say so and strike them down. Other laws so far have gone unchallenged, either because they don’t affect many women seeking abortions (this is true for 20-week bans in states where doctors haven’t been doing, or at least say they don’t do, late-term procedures anyway) or just haven’t gotten attention from pro-choice lawyers yet. But the Texas bill is too big to ignore. It threatens to take away access to abortion—in the first trimester as well as later—from tens of thousands of women.

Abortion rights advocates have to challenge it in court (http://www.npr.org/2013/07/13/201668126/abortion-rights-activists-plan-challnge-to-texas-measure?ft=1&f=17,1001,1003,1006,1019,1021). And when they do, the case will wind up in front of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit. That is a court with judges who have clearly signaled their interest in upholding abortion restrictions if they possibly can. The 5th Circuit’s eventual ruling could well conflict with the decision of other appeals courts—creating the kind of split that the Supreme Court is supposed to resolve.


http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/07/texas_abortion_bill_will_eventually_come_before_th e_supreme_court.html

[TeyshaBlue]

The way Republicans would rather stab themselves in the dick than increase K-12 education funding, I fail to see how he's wrong.

I was thinking more along the lines of charitable organizations rather than education. Tx GOP =\= Republicans at large.

[TeyshaBlue]

TB :lol As always, you proved nothing except your won incorrigible snarkiness and self-adulation. :lol The Great Boutons is greatly amused! :lol

Hint. Nothing particularly great about you. I've already bitch slapped you into oblivion. Fucking simpleton.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I was thinking more along the lines of charitable organizations rather than education. Tx GOP =\= Republicans at large.

It's not just Texas GOP. Republicans fighting tooth and nail to defund and destroy public education is why we have a K-12 education that's pathetic compared to every other modern country.

[mingus]

abortion necessary if the lady deems it necessary

abortion not forced if the lady agrees to it

you suck at analogies.

I don't know whether this is you being dumb or playing dumb.

A women may think x is necessary. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it or allow it to happen. Just like I don't have to agree or let a woman use my credit card for x reason.

[TeyshaBlue]

It's not just Texas GOP. Republicans fighting tooth and nail to defund and destroy public education is why we have a K-12 education that's pathetic compared to every other modern country.

You need to read the back story of NCLB.

[TeyshaBlue]

Your adaptation of a pre-existing narrative is not serving you well.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Your adaptation of a pre-existing narrative is not serving you well.

It's the accurate narrative. NCLB has been horrible for education in this country, its killed schools in low income areas.

I know, the party of old racist men really does care about all those kids in South Chicago who have no schooling/healthcare. They just have a weird way of showing it.

[Rogue]

Abortion should be illegal and it isn't only for the sake of those unborn babies but also the bitches, and the social morality. say, if you make abortion as easy and accessible as getting your ear pierced, it would only encourage young bitches to behave more like bitches and to whore up our society even more. My goddess, as avid a "pro-choise" democrat as she is a smoker, is a supporter of women's rights to use abortion as a "plan C", on which I can't deign to agree with her. a Bitch would never get pregant by sitting on a public toilet. You already made the choice when you sat on a guy's erected penis with your panties off, and you could've even used "plan B" to renege on the deal with your guy but you forfeited both chances and was looking forward to a "plan C", I'm sorry ladies but there's really no "plan C". You and the stupid fucker are stuck with the little smurf you made together. Young guys and bitches should be taught that there're some mistakes that can never be glossed over

[TeyshaBlue]

It's the accurate narrative. NCLB has been horrible for education in this country, its killed schools in low income areas.

I know, the party of old racist men really does care about all those kids in South Chicago who have no schooling/healthcare. They just have a weird way of showing it.

That's the narrative speaking for you. I said to read up on the backstory. I'll give you a link or two when I get to my office tomorrow if you are actually interested.

[TeyshaBlue]

You might be surprised just how inaccurate your perception of education in America is re: republican/conservatives.

[Jacob1983]

If women are going to kill unborn babies, shouldn't the dead remains of those dead babies be used for stem cell research? Shouldn't a paralyzed person have the chance of maybe walking or at least having some feeling in their legs from a dead baby?

[boutons_deux]

I was thinking more along the lines of charitable organizations rather than education. Tx GOP =\= Republicans at large.

but Repugs at large ELECT the TX GOP, 20 years with no state-wide Dem in office, so you can't absolve Repugs in general as not being as Repugnant as the assholes they elect.

[leemajors]

I don't know whether this is you being dumb or playing dumb.

A women may think x is necessary. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it or allow it to happen. Just like I don't have to agree or let a woman use my credit card for x reason.

What that woman does with her body is none of your business.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If women are going to kill unborn babies, shouldn't the dead remains of those dead babies be used for stem cell research? Shouldn't a paralyzed person have the chance of maybe walking or at least having some feeling in their legs from a dead baby?

Yes, they should.

Has anyone said otherwise?

[TeyshaBlue]

but Repugs at large ELECT the TX GOP, 20 years with no state-wide Dem in office, so you can't absolve Repugs in general as not being as Repugnant as the assholes they elect.

So every Democrat is as loopy as Maxine Waters because that's who they voted for?

lol simpleton.

[TeyshaBlue]

If you're interested DOK, here's a couple of links. Free your mind.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/1998-09-10/news/some-fly-some-die/

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2012/09/chicagos_teacher_quality_debat.php

[leemajors]

If you're interested DOK, here's a couple of links. Free your mind.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/1998-09-10/news/some-fly-some-die/

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2012/09/chicagos_teacher_quality_debat.php

Just a comment after the first page of the first link. IMO a kid should well on their way to reading solo by the time they enroll for kinder, and that burden falls on the parent.

[TeyshaBlue]

Just a comment after the first page of the first link. IMO a kid should well on their way to reading solo by the time they enroll for kinder, and that burden falls on the parent.

Can't argue that. But that's not our reality and the schools are tasked, as they should be, to accomodate that deficit.

[boutons_deux]

VA has it share of asshole Repug politicians pandering to Repug voters "values"

Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Campaigns On Effort To Restore Ban On Oral Sex (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/07/17/2315251/virginia-cuccinelli-oral-sex/)
In an unusual move, Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II (R), his party’s nominee for governor, launched a new campaign website (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/cuccinelli-looks-to-go-on-offense-against-mcauliffe-over-virginia-sodomy-law/2013/07/16/da514daa-ee5e-11e2-a1f9-ea873b7e0424_story.html?hpid=z2) Wednesday highlighting his efforts (http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CuccinelliAppealMacDonaldMoose.pdf) to reinstate Virginia’s unconstitutional Crimes Against Nature law. The rule, which makes felons out of even consenting married couples who engage in oral or anal sex in the privacy of their own homes, was struck down (http://http//thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/09/1843231/full-federal-appeals-court-unanimously-rejects-cuccinellis-bid-to-reinstate-anti-sodomy-law/) by federal courts after Cuccinelli blocked efforts to bring it in line with the Supreme Court’s 2003 Lawrence v. Texas (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102.ZS.html) ruling.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/07/17/2315251/virginia-cuccinelli-oral-sex/?mobile=nc

It's hilarious to see you Repug assholes dissociate yourselves from Repug asshole politicians whom you vote for EVERY TIME. :lol

[Jacob1983]

If it's none of our business what a woman does with her vagina, then why do we have to pay for her to kill her unborn baby? Shouldn't she have to pay the bill or can't some compassionate hippie or celebrity foot the bill? I say: keep abortion legal and use the dead babies for stem cell research. No federal or state funding for baby killing too. If you don't like that, tough shit. You can still kill your baby but it's gonna be up to you to foot the bill. And again, if you don't like that, go to Brazil and watch a soccer match.

[Rogue]

Bitch has every right to cram her vagina with anything she enjoys, a dick or a banana. but once there's a life conceived in the damp & dark chamber, it's no longer the bitch's right to decide what to do with it. It's a life and only the man who created it has the right to make decisions on it, or it's the right of the government if the man is nowhere to be found. Abortion shouldn't be completely proscribed, but should only be practiced at the request of the baby's dad or the local authority, not the goddamn BITCH!!!

[Jacob1983]

Well I personally don't care if a woman wants to kill her unborn baby. I just shouldn't have to pay for it. I also think that there should be several compromises if abortion is kept legal in America. The federal and state funding for abortion should be zero. An abortion doctor/baby killer should be required by law to tell the woman that she is killing her baby. And before you start bashing me, I said that a woman can still kill her baby. She just has to pay for it and be told that she killed her unborn baby. Lazy immature women get what they want. Bible thumpers get what they want. Compromise.

[leemajors]

Well I personally don't care if a woman wants to kill her unborn baby. I just shouldn't have to pay for it. I also think that there should be several compromises if abortion is kept legal in America. The federal and state funding for abortion should be zero. An abortion doctor/baby killer should be required by law to tell the woman that she is killing her baby. And before you start bashing me, I said that a woman can still kill her baby. She just has to pay for it and be told that she killed her unborn baby. Lazy immature women get what they want. Bible thumpers get what they want. Compromise.

You're never going to get laid.

[boutons_deux]

Media Ignore Why Women Need Access To Abortion After 20 Weeks


Many Serious Health Conditions For Mother And Fetus Are Only Discovered In 20th Week Of Pregnancy

American College Of Obstetricians And Gynecologists: Optimal Time When Obstetric Ultrasound Detects Major Malformations Is Between 18 And 20 Weeks. According to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), the "optimal time for an obstetric ultrasound examination is between 18 to 20 weeks of gestation because anatomically complex organs, such as the fetal heart and brain, can be imaged with sufficient clarity to allow detection of many major malformations." [American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, Clinical Policy Bulletin, accessed 7/12/13 (http://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/100_199/0199.html)]

Chief Of Pediatric Cardiology, University Of Massachusetts Medical School: Scans Around Week 20 "Are Critical For Uncovering Major Birth Defects." The chief of pediatric cardiology at the University of Massachusetts Medical School who specializes in high-risk pregnancies explained in a Slate article the serious medical complications 20-week scans can reveal, including severe brain malformations of the fetus and missing organs:

Why do some women wait so long? The answer is that comprehensive fetal testing, such as anatomical sonograms and ultrasounds of the heart, are typically performed just before 20 weeks of gestation. Such scans are critical for uncovering major birth defects, such as anencephaly (severe brain malformations), major heart defects, missing organs and limbs, and other severe birth defects. Fetal development is a complex process that often goes awry. Roughly 2 percent of all pregnancies are complicated by a major birth defect, and of those about 0.5 percent have a chromosomal defect, such as an extra or missing segment of normal DNA. Birth defects are a leading cause of infant mortality, and in many cases of severe birth defects, no medical treatment can salvage a fetus's life or result in any measure of normal future health. [Slate, 7/11/13 (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2013/07/texas_abortion_ban_after_20_weeks_prenatal_testing _reveals_birth_defects.html)]


ACOG: "By The Time A Diagnosis Is Confirmed ... The Pregnancy Has Often Progressed Beyond 20 Weeks." ACOG explained in an amicus brief opposing a ban on abortions after 20 weeks in Arizona that while some dangerous conditions affecting the fetus can be detected earlier than week 20, "y the time a diagnosis is confirmed by a specialist capable of diagnosing these anomalies, the pregnancy has often progressed beyond 20 weeks." [American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, 9/11/12 (http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2012/09/26/12_16670_Amicus_Brief.pdf)]

ACOG: Delaying Abortions In Non-Fatal Health Crises Can Put The "Patient's Health In Serious Jeopardy." According to ACOG, delaying abortions in cases when mothers experience health complications that are not fatal at or past week 20, including heart conditions, cancer, lupus, and diabetes, can put the "patient's health in serious jeopardy" and "compromise the physician's ethical duty to the patient." [American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, 9/11/12 (http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2012/09/26/12_16670_Amicus_Brief.pdf)]

Not All 20-Week Bans Include Exceptions For These Health Risks

[B]Huffington Post: 20-Week Abortion Ban Passed In The U.S. House Contains No Exceptions For Fetal Abnormalities Or Health Of The Mother. H.R. 1797, also known as "The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act," was passed by the U.S. House of Representatives in June and prohibits abortions after 20 weeks. The bill is unlikely to make it past the Senate, and contains no exception for fetal abnormalities or health of the mother, meaning that a woman who discovers in the 20th week of pregnancy that she or her fetus experienced a damaging condition would still be forced to carry the pregnancy to term:

The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, authored by Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), bans abortions after 20 weeks, based on the medically disputed theory that fetuses can feel pain at that point. It contains exceptions for women whose lives are in danger as well as some rape and incest victims who can prove that they reported their assaults to criminal authorities, but it contains no exceptions for severe fetal anomalies or situations in which the woman's health is threatened by her pregnancy. [Huffington Post, 6/18/13 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/20-week-abortion-ban_n_3462180.html)]


Slate: 20-Week Abortion Ban Passed In Texas Does Not Contain Exceptions For All Severe Conditions.The chief of pediatric cardiology at the University of Massachusetts Medical School explained in an article in Slate that the newly passed 20-week abortion ban in Texas does provide an exception for fetuses with severe anomalies, but only if they are "incompatible with life outside the womb," a definition which does not include defects that might result in significant pain for the fetus or long-term vegetative states:

For example, defects resulting in long-term vegetative states (e.g. holoprosencephaly), severe bodily deformities requiring repeated high-risk and painful procedures with an extremely low chance of success (massive congenital diaphragmatic hernias), genetic abnormalities causing death and severe disability but with a tiny chance of longer life (Patau syndrome) could theoretically not be "incompatible with life." [Slate, 7/11/13 (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2013/07/texas_abortion_ban_after_20_weeks_prenatal_testing _reveals_birth_defects.html)]


Financial Hardship Forces Many Women To Delay Procedures

Guttmacher Institute: Seven In 10 Women Wanted To Have An Abortion Earlier, But Many Delay Because They Cannot Afford The Procedure. Guttmacher Institute research found that of those who had second-trimester abortions, "Seven in 10 women would have preferred to have their abortion earlier. Many women experience delays because they need time to raise the money." The research also noted that most women pay out of pocket for their abortion. [Guttmacher Institute, accessed 7/1/13 (http://www.guttmacher.org/media/infographics/references.html)]

American Journal Of Public Health: "Studies Continue To Demonstrate That Lack Of Financial Support For Abortion Results In Delays." Writing in the American Journal of Public Health, Bonnie Scott Jones of the Center for Reproductive Rights and Dr. Tracy A. Weitz of the Bixby Center for Global Reproductive Health found that lack of financial support can cause women to delay their abortions later and later:

Women with limited financial resources can find themselves in an vicious cycle: by the time they have secured the money for an abortion performed at one gestational limit, their pregnancy has advanced into the next. Studies continue to demonstrate that lack of financial support for abortion results in delays that push the procedure into the second trimester. [American Journal of Public Health, April 2009 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2661467/), via National Center for Biotechnology Information]


Guttmacher Institute: Women Forgo Paying For Rent And Food In Order To Afford Abortions.Guttmacher Institute research found that 42 percent of women having abortions have income levels below the federal poverty line, and women have reported having "to borrow money from friends & family and forgo paying rent, groceries & utilities to pay for their procedure." In 2008, the average cost of a first-trimester abortion was $470. [Guttmacher Institute, accessed 7/1/13 (http://www.guttmacher.org/media/infographics/references.html)]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/07/16/media-ignore-why-women-need-access-to-abortion/194901

[Jacob1983]

Just buy a vibrator and a lot of batteries or a dildo.

[boutons_deux]

Texas Legislators File Radical ‘Fetal Heartbeat’ Bill To Ban Abortion After Just Six Weeks (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/18/2326191/texas-heartbeat-bill/)

On Thursday, three Texas Republicans filed a measure (http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=832&Bill=HB59) that would criminalize abortion services after a fetal heartbeat can be detected — which typically occurs around six weeks of pregnancy, before many women even know they’re pregnant.

The Texas legislature is currently in the midst of a special session that was convened specifically to give lawmakers more time to consider abortion restrictions. The session will end on July 31. Until then, GOP lawmakers have been busy proposing a slew of anti-abortion bills (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/07/texas-abortion-bills-filibuster-wendy-davis) in the hopes of being able to rush them through.

One of those bills, a measure to ban abortion after 20 weeks and shut down the majority of the states’ abortion clinics (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/15/2303741/texas-abortion-restrictions-two-maps/), has captured national attention over the past several weeks as thousands of Texans have rallied at the capitol in protest. The legislature gave final approval to that bill on Saturday, and Gov. Rick Perry (R) just signed it into law on Thursday morning. But that’s not enough to satisfy Reps. Phil King (http://www.philking.com/) (R), Dan Flynn (http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/member-page/?district=2) (R), and Geanie Morrison (http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/member-page/?district=30) (R) — who filed HB 59 (http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=832&Bill=HB59) on the same day that Perry signed the controversial abortion restrictions.

So-called “heartbeat (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/31/1517821/fetal-heartbeat-bills-to-watch/)” bills are so radical that they divide the anti-choice community. In addition to criminalizing the vast majority of abortions, they also mandate invasive ultrasound procedures (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/02/07/1554731/transvaginal-probes-under-radar/) for women seeking abortions. In order to detect a fetal heartbeat so early in a pregnancy, doctors typically have to use a transvaginal probe.

Earlier this year, North Dakota became the first state to pass a six-week heartbeat ban (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/15/1724911/north-dakota-six-week-heartbeat-ban/). It currently represents the most stringent abortion ban the country has seen since Roe v. Wade first legalized the procedure, and it’s being challenged in court for overstepping Roe.


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/18/2326191/texas-heartbeat-bill/?mobile=nc

[boutons_deux]

Fetus Toys Slipped Into Kids' Candy Bags at North Dakota State Fair

In a particularly creepy ploy, anti-choicers slipped squishy fetus toys into children's candy bags during a parade a North Dakota State Fair. The doll, called "The Precious One" is manufactured by Heritage House, a pro-life store, and retails for $1.50 apiece, less if you buy them in bulk, which apparently the pro-lifers did, since there were lots of five and six year olds running around squeezing, throwing and playing with their squeezable fetus toys afterwards.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/squishy-fetus-toys-slipped-kids-candy-bags-north-dakota-fair?akid=10725.187590.4F9llC&rd=1&src=newsletter873485&t=5

You Stay Classy, Assholes

[Nbadan]

It's a life and only the man who created it has the right to make decisions on it,

:lol

troll

[CosmicCowboy]

Fetus Toys Slipped Into Kids' Candy Bags at North Dakota State Fair

In a particularly creepy ploy, anti-choicers slipped squishy fetus toys into children's candy bags during a parade a North Dakota State Fair. The doll, called "The Precious One" is manufactured by Heritage House, a pro-life store, and retails for $1.50 apiece, less if you buy them in bulk, which apparently the pro-lifers did, since there were lots of five and six year olds running around squeezing, throwing and playing with their squeezable fetus toys afterwards.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/squishy-fetus-toys-slipped-kids-candy-bags-north-dakota-fair?akid=10725.187590.4F9llC&rd=1&src=newsletter873485&t=5

You Stay Classy, Assholes




They are really missing their target market

Holy shit. They should put treble hooks on them and sell them at Academy. I can see the fishing shows now...

Holy cow Bubba! Whadja catch that big ol Black Bass with?

Sheeut JoeBob! There's this hot new bait from Heritage Hawg Gettas that's deadly on them big ol black bass...I just pitched this little Heritage Nigga Fetus right over dere by dat stump and BAM! Game on!

And you think it works on Bass...you should see how it works on CATFISH! You know how them niggas like to eat fried catfish, right? *nudge*

Well it works the other way around too! Then Catfish LOVES them some little nigga baby from Heritage Hawg Gettas! Run down to academy AND GETCHA SOME!

[scott]

Meanwhile, TXDot funding is about to fail again in the 2nd Special Session. Perry may have to call a third.

How much more money would we have for roads if we didn't have to spend it on our facially unconstitutional abortion laws when they go to court?

[TeyshaBlue]

Meanwhile, TXDot funding is about to fail again in the 2nd Special Session. Perry may have to call a third.

How much more money would we have for roads if we didn't have to spend it on our facially unconstitutional abortion laws when they go to court?

Be that as it may, I'm not a huge fan of contemporary TxDot.

[scott]

Be that as it may, I'm not a huge fan of contemporary TxDot.

I should be more specific in that this bill isn't just funding TxDot but rather funding transportation in Texas.

[boutons_deux]

I heard, on NPR?, why TX legislature can't meet every year.

VERY OLD story, and Good Old Boy tradition from 19th century trumps 21st Century practicality.

[TeyshaBlue]

I heard, on NPR?, why TX legislature can't meet every year.

VERY OLD story, and Good Old Boy tradition from 19th century trumps 21st Century practicality.

The current constitution took effect on February 15, 1876. Duh.

[boutons_deux]

The current constitution took effect on February 15, 1876. Duh.

iow, 19th century

[Jacob1983]

Why can't Ricky Bobby get the roads fixed in Collin County on 75? I'd rather have highway 75 fixed in Collin County than bitch about dead babies.

[TeyshaBlue]

iow, 19th century

iow Good Old Boy non sequitur.

[boutons_deux]

iow Good Old Boy non sequitur.

TB :lol his non-post, yet again!

[boutons_deux]

The First State That Tried To Defund Planned Parenthood Is Officially Giving Up (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/30/2386081/indiana-defund-planned-parenthood-fails/)

But those efforts have been largely unsuccessful (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/29/1104731/state-level-efforts-to-defund-planned-parenthood-are-failing/). Multiple courts have determined that states aren’t allowed to discriminate against qualified Medicaid providers simply because of their stance on abortion rights, saying that low-income women deserve the freedom (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/07/09/512692/indiana-medicaid-planned-parenthood/) to choose their own doctors.

Indiana’s own law was temporarily blocked by a U.S. District Judge last year, and a federal appeals court decided to uphold that injunction (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/23/1074741/blocks-indiana-defunding-planned-parenthood/). Indiana officials kept fighting, asking the highest court in the country to hear their appeal of the case — but the U.S. Supreme Court declined to do so (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/28/2066031/indiana-fail-to-defund-planned-parenthood/) in May. Now, the state of Indiana is agreeing to permanently end its failed legal crusade against Planned Parenthood.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/30/2386081/indiana-defund-planned-parenthood-fails/

[Winehole23]

Publicly funded family planning services, the kind currently being gutted (http://www.texasobserver.org/budget-committee-effectively-gutting-family-planning/) by state lawmakers across the country, saved the government $10.5 billion and helped women prevent 2.2 million unplanned pregnancies and 760,000 abortions in 2010, according to a new study (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/win/contraceptive-needs-2010.pdf) released by the Guttmacher Institute.


To break it down even further, taxpayers saved $5.68 for every dollar the government spent on contraceptive services that year.


Health centers that received some funding through the federal Title X program, which Republicans have also been working diligently to axe (http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2011/february/18/planned-parenthood-title-10.aspx) in the name of austerity, served 4.7 million women in 2010, helping to prevent 1.2 million unintended pregnancies, which would have resulted in an estimated 590,000 unplanned births and 400,000 abortions.


“Each year, millions of women are able to access highly effective contraceptive methods through these programs,” said Jennifer Frost, a senior researcher for Guttmacher. “Investing in family planning to help women avoid pregnancies they don’t want and for which they are unprepared is good public health policy. Saving money as a result of that investment is just common sense.”

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/31/family_planning_services_saved_the_u_s_10_5_billio n_prevented_760000_abortions_in_2010/

[boutons_deux]

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/31/family_planning_services_saved_the_u_s_10_5_billio n_prevented_760000_abortions_in_2010/

Repugs, bubbas, right-wingers don't need no facts or numbers, they got their ignorant, stupid, sociopathic, fuck-the-47% ideology.

[Winehole23]

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2012/03/25/all-6-censored-doonesbury-cartoons/

[TeyshaBlue]

I don't know how they were censored, I do remember seeing a couple of those in print.:wtf

[Winehole23]

I'm unfamiliar with the censorship angle as well; it's imaginable that some newspapers refused to run them.

[TeyshaBlue]

Most likely local censorship then. Got it.

[101A]

My 15 year old daughter had a very logical response when reading an abortion debate.

Her: When do we consider someone dead?
Answer: When their brain shows no activity (as I understand it).
Her: Then when brain activity starts aren't they alive?

It would seem the answer to one ought to be the answer to the other, at least in her simplistic mind.

[Jacob1983]

Fix the roads in Texas.

[ElNono]

My 15 year old daughter had a very logical response when reading an abortion debate.

Her: When do we consider someone dead?
Answer: When their brain shows no activity (as I understand it).
Her: Then when brain activity starts aren't they alive?

It would seem the answer to one ought to be the answer to the other, at least in her simplistic mind.

Yeah, well, one day she'll realize that one instance requires a host to grow the fetus while under the other instance the person is fully autonomous. That's why there's nothing simplistic about abortion.

[boutons_deux]

what's really not "simplistic" about effective banning of abortions and not providing contraception to poor women is what the pro-lifers propose to do with all the LIVES of unwanted babies.

[TeyshaBlue]

Repugs, bubbas, right-wingers don't need no facts or numbers, they got their ignorant, stupid, sociopathic, fuck-the-47% ideology.

:lol boutons his non-post, yet again!




Enjoy the delicious sauce.

[boutons_deux]

TB :lol ridiculing himself

[TeyshaBlue]

not really. nice try tho.

[Jacob1983]

Does the government have to provide free abortions and free birth control pills to every woman? Rich women, senior citizens, and sterile women?

[boutons_deux]

Virginia’s Right-Wing ‘Crisis Pregnancy Centers’ Caught On Tape Lying To Women (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/08/08/2433511/virginia-cpc-caught-on-tape/)

An new undercover investigation (http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/elections-press-releases/2013/undercover-audio-from.html) into Virginia’s right-wing “crisis pregnancy centers” (CPCs) exposes the blatant misinformation about women’s health, as well as the shame-based messages surrounding sexuality, that their employees typically impart to patients. NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia — which has been working for years (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/02/2244301/virginia-quietly-endorsing-cpcs-ultrasound-law/) to expose the dozens of CPCs in the state — caught the lies on tape (https://s3.amazonaws.com/NARAL-assets/transcript-02.mp3) and released their findings on Wednesday.

NARAL recorded (https://s3.amazonaws.com/NARAL-assets/transcript-02.mp3) a counseling session between a young woman and a CPC employee. The woman received false information about the risks of hormonal birth control, misleading explanations about how contraception works, and judgmental messages about her decision to be sexually active before getting married. During the conversation, the CPC counselor repeatedly suggested that her organization was more trustworthy than the staff at abortion clinics, since abortion providers are ultimately trying to convince their patients to spend money at the clinic. “I’m not lying to you, sweetie — why would I lie to you? I’m not asking you to give me anything here,” she said. “We’re a pregnancy health and education center.”


For several minutes, a CPC employee told horror stories about the dangers of being on birth control, saying she typically tries to talk women out of using it. She likened birth control to “tremendous dosages of steroids,” and belittled her patient for opting to flood her body with artificial hormones. “You really want that stuff inside of you? You have a brain, think and choose here,” she said (https://s3.amazonaws.com/NARAL-assets/transcript-02.mp3). “Any of that stuff is just not good for you.”

According to the CPC counselor, birth control is dangerous because taking it for four years before becoming pregnant can increase women’s chance of getting breast cancer by 48 percent. She repeatedly referred to the “carcinogens” in contraception. She also cautioned her client to “read the fine print,” warning that even if she would never choose to have an abortion, she could accidentally end up aborting a fetus while using hormonal contraception. “If you’re on the pill, on the patch, on the shot, and get pregnant… Unintentionally, you will abort that baby because the uterus cannot sustain that pregnancy because the lining has been so altered by those steroids, the artificial hormones,” she claimed.
The CPC employee falsely asserted that condoms and birth control pills are about equally effective at preventing pregnancy, and claimed that using condoms doesn’t actually prevent the transmission of sexually transmitted infections.

“They’re naturally porous — there’s always a chance of them breaking, a chance of spillage,” she said. “The only safe sex is no sex.”

The conversation also quickly took a religious bent. “If you’re not married, why are you having sex?” the CPC counselor asked her client. “That’s why you feel like you have to put these hormones in your body — the more you have sex, the more chance you have of getting pregnant.” Later, she added, “Confined to a marriage, of course, sex is expected — you believe in God, that’s the whole plan of God.”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/08/08/2433511/virginia-cpc-caught-on-tape/

Just Doin' God's Work! :lol

[Seefourdc]

Yeah, well, one day she'll realize that one instance requires a host to grow the fetus while under the other instance the person is fully autonomous. That's why there's nothing simplistic about abortion.

http://www.alfredicu.org.au/assets/Services-Photos/Mechanical-Ventilation-Photos/_resampled/resizedimage600448-IMG1090a.jpg

Yep... looks autonomous to me. Definitely doesn't need aaaaaanyone elses body to exist.

[Nbadan]

So, what is the GOP plan to deal with all these unwanted babies that will be born because of these restrictive abortion laws?

[boutons_deux]

So, what is the GOP plan to deal with all these unwanted babies that will be born because of these restrictive abortion laws?

I've never heard any anti-choicer answer that. As we see with cutting all kinds of support for poor kids, the pro-choice don't GAF what happens after the kid is born, or even before the kid is born (cutting prenatal care).

[Jacob1983]

So what should happen to a baby that survives an abortion and is technically alive outside the womb? Come on pro-choicers, step up to the streets and give me your vast wisdom on this.

[Rogue]

As they have pulled the trigger at those babies, they wouldn't allow them no chance to survive even if they're still alive out of the womb. There're many kinds of substances that are capable of putting an end to a baby's life, or any adult's life. Doctors are just butchers in white gowns imho

[Jacob1983]

A woman has no say in the matter in my opinion because she can no longer use the argument of "it's my body, it's my choice". Since the baby is no longer inside the woman's body, she has no say in the matter. Tough shit.

[Nbadan]

So what should happen to a baby that survives an abortion and is technically alive outside the womb? Come on pro-choicers, step up to the streets and give me your vast wisdom on this.

If they live, let them live...now what are you gonna do with the millions of kids born into extreme poverty, neglect and abuse?

[Jacob1983]

Not my kids, not my problems. Like I said, I have a "tough shit" attitude toward a person that wants to murder a baby that survived an abortion and is alive.

[ElNono]

http://www.alfredicu.org.au/assets/Services-Photos/Mechanical-Ventilation-Photos/_resampled/resizedimage600448-IMG1090a.jpg

Yep... looks autonomous to me. Definitely doesn't need aaaaaanyone elses body to exist.

I don't see another person (host) there. Nice strawman though.

[The Reckoning]

So, what is the GOP plan to deal with all these unwanted babies that will be born because of these restrictive abortion laws?

ship 'em back to mexico

[baseline bum]

So, what is the GOP plan to deal with all these unwanted babies that will be born because of these restrictive abortion laws?

Iran invasion force

[scott]

http://www.alfredicu.org.au/assets/Services-Photos/Mechanical-Ventilation-Photos/_resampled/resizedimage600448-IMG1090a.jpg

Yep... looks autonomous to me. Definitely doesn't need aaaaaanyone elses body to exist.

Yep and no one has the right the pull the plug on him... Oh wait

[Jacob1983]

Pro-choicers, answer this for me. If a baby survives an abortion and is alive outside the womb, if someone stops that baby's breathing or heart from beating, is that murder?

[TeyshaBlue]

Is this really an issue, ie, does it happen with any frequency at all?

[Jacob1983]

Is it murder: yes or no?

[TeyshaBlue]

Is it hypothetical, yes or no?

[Jacob1983]

It's whatever you want it to be. Step up and answer the question.

[TeyshaBlue]

Then, neither.

[Jacob1983]

Wimp

[TeyshaBlue]

:cry

[TeyshaBlue]

You got something to say, then say it. Don't hide behind the coward's skirts of begging the question.

[Jacob1983]

It wasn't a hypothetical question. I will ask again and maybe you can man up and answer it instead of being a pussy. If a baby survives an abortion and is alive outside of the womb, is it murder if someone ends the life of that newborn baby that survived an abortion?

[ElNono]

If the abortion was legal, that is, in the 1st trimester, then no, it's not murder.

[Jacob1983]

So if a human being grabs a loaded revolver and points to the chest of a baby that survived an abortion and is alive and pulls the trigger and kills that baby, that is not murder? If you kill someone, it's murder.

[Rogue]

As long as they haven't got their citizens' IDs, they're not humans and it's not illegal to kill them. But does it also mean it's "legal" to kill those illegal immigrants as well? Hospitals don't treat patients like humans, they treat them as cattle, so the doctors don't feel no guilt cutting off the life support on their "patients" and watching them die, standing by without doing no damn thing right. They don't feel no sin castrating every new-born like ranchers sterilizing new-born cabs.

[ElNono]

So if a human being grabs a loaded revolver and points to the chest of a baby that survived an abortion and is alive and pulls the trigger and kills that baby, that is not murder? If you kill someone, it's murder.

You're making some assumptions there:
A) You can extract a 1st trimester fetus without killing it (not possible right now, AFAIK)
B) 1st trimester fetus could survive on it's own

I understand the chest and gun come in for melodramatic effect, but if this is a legal abortion (that is, the mother decided to abort in the 1st trimester), then no, it's not murder.

[Jacob1983]

What if the human that has a loaded revolver and shoots a living baby that survived an abortion is not the mother or doctor? Let's say that the shooter is some crazy person that escaped from the hospital's mental ward and shoots the new born baby that survived an abortion. Is that murder? Another example for you abortion lovers, is it murder if a sniper shoots a woman in the stomach but the woman survives? The catch is that she was 3 months pregnant but her unborn baby or piece of shit(that's what abortion lovers consider unborn babies) died/ceased to exist. Should that sniper be charged with just attempted murder or both attempted murder and murder?

[TeyshaBlue]

When you have to load up a question with ridiculous qualifiers, then the question itself becomes a parody of itself.

lol snipers and mental wards.

[Jacob1983]

I am still looking for someone brave enough to answer that question.

[Bill_Brasky]

Pretty retarded question.

[ElNono]

I thought I answered your question while the question was "a baby survives an abortion and is alive outside of the womb"...

But at any rate, this really isn't complicated, Jacob. By law, during the first trimester, the mother has the authority to end her pregnancy. She can either do it herself (ie: pill) or direct a medical professional to do so (without such professional incurring in any liability). In any event where it's the first trimester, and the mother doesn't explicitly authorizes to end her pregnancy, and some third party does kill that fetus (whether it involves snipers, masked man, molotov cocktails, paratroopers, etc) it's codified by law as a murder of the unborn (which is actually on a different section from the a regular 'person' murder, since the SCOTUS has established that personhood starts when you're actually born, but that's a different discussion).

[TeyshaBlue]

I am still looking for someone brave enough to answer that question.

lol brave. It's an asinine question. EN answered it.

[Jacob1983]

I still believe that if a mother got a loaded gun in a hospital and shot her alive baby that survived an abortion that there would be some type of crime committed. A liberal judge might let her get away with literally killing her baby but what about shooting a loaded weapon in a hospital? I'm pretty sure that would be an illegal discharge of a firearm. And again, what's the difference between a mom telling a doctor to kill her aborted baby that survived an abortion than a sniper shooting a pregnant woman and killing that woman's unborn baby? Picking and choosing when it's murder. Not surprising though because that's how liberals roll when it comes to baby killing.

[Winehole23]

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2014/02/03/index.html

[Winehole23]

The rate is now roughly where it was in 1973, when Roe went into effect. So without getting rid of the legal regime for abortion, rates are now almost where they were before it came into effect.http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/page/2/

[boutons_deux]

I read where fully 1/3 of all American women have had at least one abortion by age 45.

For abortions before 8 weeks, the chances of death of the mother are 1 in a million.

I'm anti-abortion and pro-choice :)

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao jeebotardcob1983

[Jacob1983]

DOK, keep the shit coming on. I hope you go broke and become homeless you piece of shit ass fuck.

[Winehole23]

lol piece of shit ass fuck

[Winehole23]

lol ecstasies of profanity

[Jacob1983]

I call it how I see it. If you treat me like shit, you will get to experience my wrath. I have no sympathy at all for people that are doing well in life and take it upon themselves to insult, bash, and laugh at those that are less fortunate.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am still looking for someone brave enough to answer that question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

The premise of your question is flawed. Try again and try much harder.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I call it how I see it. If you treat me like shit, you will get to experience my wrath. I have no sympathy at all for people that are doing well in life and take it upon themselves to insult, bash, and laugh at those that are less fortunate.

:lmao

[Jacob1983]

I make no apologies. If you treat me like shit, expect for me to treat you the same and offer no sympathy for your suffering. You should see me when I drive. When I drive and someone does something that pisses me off, I usually wish that something bad happens to their car but not while they are driving because it would affect me and other drivers who are not responsible for said driver pissing me off. I usually wish that their catalytic converter will break and/or that they will have a hole the size of a quarter in their fuel tank which will be drained empty by the next morning.

[Winehole23]

how genteel, Jacob1983. milquetoast sympathy for others lurks underneath the hostility.

courteous, almost.

[resistanze]

I call it how I see it. If you treat me like shit, you will get to experience my wrath. I have no sympathy at all for people that are doing well in life and take it upon themselves to insult, bash, and laugh at those that are less fortunate.

:lmao That's a very liberal thing to say Xanaxcob1983

Why don't you pull yourself by your bootstraps and making something out of yourself with your psych degree rather than ironing your red shirts everyday tbh?

[Jacob1983]

I don't consider myself as a liberal, conservative, libertarian, or any other thing. I guess I would think of myself as an apathetic independent. Iron my red shirt? I might wash the shirt I wear to Target maybe once a week. It's dirty as hell and has a lot of stains on it. Do you think I give that much of a shit of my appearance at Target? I usually wake up 30 minutes before I go to work. I don't even shower before going there. I usually do the Middle Ages bathing which is deodorant and splashing some water on my face and head. I am just there to get low amounts of money.

[spursncowboys]

I call it how I see it. If you treat me like shit, you will get to experience my wrath. I have no sympathy at all for people that are doing well in life and take it upon themselves to insult, bash, and laugh at those that are less fortunate.
You're assuming everything he says on a fake name is accurate.

[boutons_deux]

1. "Abortion Causes Breast Cancer."

This lie about abortion is one of the most widely circulated. It's commonly cited by abortion opponents and CPC employees as a means of scaring patients out of choosing abortion. Unfortunately for them, the link between abortion and breast cancer simply isn't corroborated by any current, reliable medical evidence. In 2003, the National Cancer Institute (http://www.cancer.org/cancer/breastcancer/moreinformation/is-abortion-linked-to-breast-cancer) conducted a workshop with more than 100 of the world's leading experts on pregnancy and breast cancer risk, and they found that "induced abortion is not linked to an increase in breast cancer risk." This was corroborated by a 2009 study by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (http://www.acog.org/Resources_And_Publications/Committee_Opinions/Committee_on_Gynecologic_Practice/Induced_Abortion_and_Breast_Cancer_Risk), which demonstrated that recent, rigorous, methodologically-sound studies display "no causal relationship between induced abortion and a subsequent increase in breast cancer."

2. "Abortion causes infertility."

This lie is a staple of CPCs to try and dissuade women from undergoing abortions. Just like the lie about abortion and breast cancer, this fear-mongering doesn't have any legitimate medical basis, either. According to the Mayo Clinic (http://www.mayoclinic.org/abortion/expert-answers/FAQ-20058551), "abortion isn't thought to cause fertility issues or complications in subsequent pregnancies." What's more, the Guttmacher Institute (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html), a nonpartisan organization dedicated to advancing sexual and reproductive health and rights, found that abortions performed in the first trimester "pose virtually no long-term risk" of infertility.

3. "Most women regret having an abortion."

Statistically speaking, some women will regret having an abortion. But the fact is, the vast majority don't cite regret as their main emotion after an abortion; it's relief. A recent study (http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2013/08/05/index.html) at the University of California, San Francisco found that 90 percent of women who were able to obtain an abortion reported that they were relieved and those who did cite negative emotions after their abortion didn't indicate that they felt they had made the wrong choice. In that study, 80 percent of women who experienced mostly negative emotions still felt that abortion was the right choice for them. This anti-abortion talking point is deceitful and reductive, and it doesn't allow for women to share their nuanced, personal abortion experiences.

4. "Once a woman sees an image of the fetus from an ultrasound, she won't want to have an abortion."

The logic behind this anti-abortion lie has helped fuel the wave of paternalistic and invasive forced ultrasound (https://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_RFU.pdf) legislation in much of the U.S. Even though 23 states currently regulate the provision of ultrasound by abortion providers in some way, viewing an ultrasound doesn't stop women from having an abortion. Not even close. According to a recent study (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/viewing-ultrasound-deter-women-abortion-study-finds/story?id=22320188) featured in the Obstetrics and Gynecology Journal, of the 40 percent of women who chose to view their ultrasound, 98.4 percent still went through with their abortion. Mandated ultrasounds aren't just onerous and intrusive; they're also incredibly ineffective at preventing abortion.

5. "Abortion is psychologically damaging to women."

Abortion opponents frequently tout the official-sounding "Post-Abortion Syndrome" (sometimes called "Post-Abortion Stress Syndrome") as proof that those who undergo an abortion procedure will suffer emotionally and psychologically. The trouble is, there's no such thing as "Post-Abortion Syndrome." It's a myth. It isn't recognized (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/09/3/gpr090308.html) by either the American Psychological Association or the American Psychiatric Association. It is not a medical term because it is not a medical reality. The American Psychological Association's Task Force on Mental Health and Abortion (http://www.apa.org/about/gr/issues/women/mental-health-and-abortion.aspx) decisively states that there is "no evidence that having a single abortion causes mental health problems."

6. "TRAP laws are really about making abortion safer for women."

Targeted Regulation of Abortion Provider (http://reproductiverights.org/en/project/targeted-regulation-of-abortion-providers-trap) (TRAP) laws have become incredibly popular legislatively in the last three years, with copycat legislation springing up in states from Texas to Ohio (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/abortion-clinic-closures_n_3804529.html). Examples include requiring abortion clinics to be Ambulatory Surgical Centers, requiring that all abortions performed past a certain point be done in a hospital, or requiring all abortion providers to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital. On the surface, these sound like benevolent requirements, but in practice, they are completely medically unnecessary and serve only to shutter otherwise functional abortion providers, which is the entire point. While abortion opponents claim that these laws simply make abortion care safer for patients, in reality they do no such thing. TRAP laws are designed to impose onerous and completely unnecessary requirements on abortion providers in order to achieve one goal: close down abortion clinics. So far, they've been remarkably successful. Since TRAP laws surfaced in 2010, more than 50 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/abortion-clinic-closures_n_3804529.html) safe abortion clinics have closed. For a movement that claims it wants to prevent the next Kermit Gosnell (http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2013/04/25/attempts-to-use-gosnell-case-to-restrict-abortion-access-failing-but-antis-continue-to-push/) from performing illegal and unsafe abortions, TRAP laws all but ensure that safe clinics disappear and unsafe, illegal ones abound.

7. "Abortion endangers women's health and lives."

Anti-abortion protesters and CPC employees often say that abortion hurts women, that it harms them, that it is unsafe and even "deadly (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/petition-launched-to-keep-deadly-ru-486-chemical-abortion-pill-out-of-canad)." Except that, of course, it's not. It's not deadly when it's safe and legal. How safe is abortion? According the Guttmacher Institute (https://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/abortion-safety.html), the risk of death with abortion is 10 times lower than the risk of death from childbirth. Having an abortion is far safer than having a baby. What's more, the Guttmacher Institute (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html) also notes that first trimester abortion is among "the safest medical procedures" and carries less than 0.05 percent risk of major complications that could require hospital care, and the risk of death for an abortion at or before eight weeks is literally one in a million. The real risk of death comes when abortion is unsafe: In 2008, 47,000 deaths (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html) from unsafe abortion were reported worldwide.

The danger to women's health and lives isn't safe, legal, accessible abortion. It's those who are trying to end it.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-seven-most-common-lies-about-abortion-20140226?utm_source=dailynewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter