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I wouldn't pay over $7M a year for Tiago. 3 years/$25M is too much.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol at the people who want Tiago gone, but are willing to start Diaw. Diaw doesn't rebound either.


You don't need a like for like switch to make the team better. I don't think the Spurs are going to find another four/five out there who does the things Tiago does as well as him but that doesn't mean you can't improve the team through other players and have an overall net benefit.

[Mikeanaro]

It would have to be 20Mil a year
Probably, the problem is who else could replace Tiago, fit the system and produce for less money.
I remember those days when he decided to stay one more year in europe, every fan was bitching because he could make us win the ring, how wrong were we lol

[MannyIsGod]

Quite frankly, a lot of Tiago's worth on this team is tied to how good Manu an be. If Manu isn't going to be as good next year - and the chances for him being as good as very low - then Tiago's value as a good PnR big man goes way way way down.

[jbspurs]

They all average about what they made during the regular season and Marc Gasol is not a major scorer, neither is Pau Gasol.. They were averaging 14 points during the regular season and they averaged about the same and there rebounds went up they were getting double doubles.. It only looks nice because everyone else was clicking. Bonner actually did well in the LA series which was a surprise but I think that's more of a testament to how shitty LA was last year.


Well, I respect your opinion. But, I still think without him Spurs would've not made it to finals. Spurs should try to keep Splitter and just add one more agile/athletic big to replace Bonner or Blair.

[Splits]

A max deal is $20 million dollars/season in this league... If Kawhi keeps progressing the way he has, we're probably gonna have to hand him a contract in the $12m-$15m/season range if not more. If we don't, somebody else will. That's just what the market says he's worth. Right now Tiago was offered a QO of around $5m a season, IIRC. If a teams comes around and offers $8m/season then that's his value.

What other available centers you're seeing we can land for that money? I'm thinking Asik, but as Chinook said, Rockets probably want better pieces for him.

Why do we have to find another PF/C for $8m/per? There are plenty of cheaper options that leave room for adding someone else who can create. We were exposed in the playoffs by having nobody outside of TP who can generate offense, while Splitter couldn't even stay on the floor. He may be worth $8m to some other team, but not this team.

[Rito3d30]

I don't see much problem with resigning Tiago
Baynes is going to play much more minutes which will provide toughness
I think the front court is pretty much set with Timmy, Splitter, Diaw, Baynes, Bonner

[ElNono]

Why do we have to find another PF/C for $8m/per? There are plenty of cheaper options that leave room for adding someone else who can create. We were exposed in the playoffs by having nobody outside of TP who can generate offense, while Splitter couldn't even stay on the floor. He may be worth $8m to some other team, but not this team.

Because we already ran Tim to the ground pairing him with shitty stretch-4 for too many seasons. It's clear the Spurs need a big center helping Tim on defense at least through the regular season, so Tim isn't worn out by the time the playoffs roll around.

People fixate on one playoff series, but you gotta play 82 games, and then some more.

So if you're not willing to pay Tiago $8m, tell me who are you replacing him with. Hope you're not suggesting we go back to Bonner/Duncan starting... Diaw is ok, but you can't play Tim 48 mins...

[4down]

A max deal is $20 million dollars/season in this league... If Kawhi keeps progressing the way he has, we're probably gonna have to hand him a contract in the $12m-$15m/season range if not more. If we don't, somebody else will. That's just what the market says he's worth. Right now Tiago was offered a QO of around $5m a season, IIRC. If a teams comes around and offers $8m/season then that's his value.

What other available centers you're seeing we can land for that money? I'm thinking Asik, but as Chinook said, Rockets probably want better pieces for him.

Also Portland values anything that effs up Spurs chances. While regular season is fools gold it can help towards getting home court to have Splitter. Unless something distinctly better opens up, we ask the same girl to the prom next year.

[4down]

Sorry double post just a GNSF

[Nathan89]

Meanwhile the Thunder and Heat plan to play Durant and Lebron at Pf respectively against the Spurs. Of course our 8+mil dollar big man won't be able to take advantage of a small guarding him which will limit him to playing the 10 minutes per game Duncan doesn't play. Sad thing is he won't even play those ten minutes that well. I shouldn't have dread an 8mil dollar big that replace Duncan but that's exactly what I did in the finals. The year before that he couldn't even bully derek fisher.

I'll take different players.

[Splits]

Because we already ran Tim to the ground pairing him with shitty stretch-4 for too many seasons. It's clear the Spurs need a big center helping Tim on defense at least through the regular season, so Tim isn't worn out by the time the playoffs roll around.

People fixate on one playoff series, but you gotta play 82 games, and then some more.

So if you're not willing to pay Tiago $8m, tell me who are you replacing him with. Hope you're not suggesting we go back to Bonner/Duncan starting... Diaw is ok, but you can't play Tim 48 mins...

Hickson is available, as is Blatche, both much less expensive than Splitter. You could also go with a combination of scrub vet mins like KMart, Birdman, Ivan Johnson, Haddadi, etc and figure out what works for spot defensive work while rolling with Diaw as the starter.

There's plenty of guys available who can play defense and/or rebound who won't command anywhere near $8m a year.

[ElNono]

Hickson is available, as is Blatche, both much less expensive than Splitter. You could also go with a combination of scrub vet mins like KMart, Birdman, Ivan Johnson, Haddadi, etc and figure out what works for spot defensive work while rolling with Diaw as the starter.

There's plenty of guys available who can play defense and/or rebound who won't command anywhere near $8m a year.

Yeah, but overall none of them give you the production Splitter does. If they would, they would be worth $8m a season.

The Spurs don't have to match if they don't want to. But let's stop pretending these are inordinate amounts of money for that kind of talent. Look at what David Lee is making.

[Splits]

Yeah, but overall none of them give you the production Splitter does. If they would, they would be worth $8m a season.

The Spurs don't have to match if they don't want to. But let's stop pretending these are inordinate amounts of money for that kind of talent. Look at what David Lee is making.

Again, I'm not saying these are lateral moves, it would be a downgrade in regular season offensive production at his position. The problem is nobody can create on the perimeter besides Parker, and nobody can back him up in the playoffs unless CoJo or DeColo are going to get fetus injections or something this summer. We need a guy who can do that, and one way is to sacrifice the regular season offensive production of Splitter and use those $$ for that need.

[ElNono]

Again, I'm not saying these are lateral moves, it would be a downgrade in regular season offensive production at his position. The problem is nobody can create on the perimeter besides Parker, and nobody can back him up in the playoffs unless CoJo or DeColo are going to get fetus injections or something this summer. We need a guy who can do that, and one way is to sacrifice the regular season offensive production of Splitter and use those $$ for that need.

I don't see why the Spurs couldn't address that need. But that need is based on having Splitter production there. If that production isn't there, then you have two needs.

[Splits]

I don't see why the Spurs couldn't address that need. But that need is based on having Splitter production there. If that production isn't there, then you have two needs.

There's no Splitter production in the post-season, he can't even stay on the court. So we don't win 55-60 games? Big deal.

[sexinthatsx]

:lmao 8 mil to get humiliated in front of national television by LBJ

[ElNono]

There's no Splitter production in the post-season, he can't even stay on the court. So we don't win 55-60 games? Big deal.

Uh? He played well all the way to the finals... you're just fixating on one series, it's been pretty common around there.

He's not without his faults, and I'd love to have a better big than him, I just don't see many that give you what he gives you and are available.

[Splits]

He averaged 6 & 3 throughout the playoffs, not just in the last series. And a similar pattern the year before that, when he couldn't stay on the court as the post-season progressed. I don't think that is "production" or that he "played well" enough to justify $8m per when you can get somebody just as good on the defensive side who can actually rebound for half or even less than half of the money.

[z0sa]

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[ElNono]

He averaged 6 & 3 throughout the playoffs, not just in the last series. And a similar pattern the year before that, when he couldn't stay on the court as the post-season progressed. I don't think that is "production" or that he "played well" enough to justify $8m per when you can get somebody just as good on the defensive side who can actually rebound for half or even less than half of the money.

He had a double-digit plus/minus in every Spurs win in the first 2 series. He was positive against Memphis in all 4 games, and definitely defended well against Memphis, whose bread and butter is inside play. You don't have to get 'your numbers' to be productive. He was an asset out there. If Bonner would've posted those kind of double-digit productions in previous seasons, maybe we would've had #5 much sooner.

I'll be the first to tell you he has a lot of areas to improve, but you can't just diss what he gives this team because he doesn't rebound well or doesn't have a jumper. He plays the rugged center role that you need against certain teams, and it's a role Tim would need to play if Tiago wouldn't be there.

[Chinook]

If the Pacers had beat the Heat in Game 7 of the ECF, Splitter probably gets fMVP considerations. It's just how the ball bounces.

[MannyIsGod]

If the Pacers had beat the Heat in Game 7 of the ECF, Splitter probably gets fMVP considerations. It's just how the ball bounces.

LOL lets not fucking go WAY overboard here.

[Baam]

He had a double-digit plus/minus in every Spurs win in the first 2 series. He was positive against Memphis in all 4 games, and definitely defended well against Memphis, whose bread and butter is inside play. You don't have to get 'your numbers' to be productive. He was an asset out there. If Bonner would've posted those kind of double-digit productions in previous seasons, maybe we would've had #5 much sooner.

I'll be the first to tell you he has a lot of areas to improve, but you can't just diss what he gives this team because he doesn't rebound well or doesn't have a jumper. He plays the rugged center role that you need against certain teams, and it's a role Tim would need to play if Tiago wouldn't be there.

He had a negative plus minus in the Lakers series and was the worst player on the team, Bonner and Baynes did much better.

[jestersmash]

He had a negative plus minus in the Lakers series and was the worst player on the team, Bonner and Baynes did much better.

The comparison to Bonner is well taken, but let's not get carried away with Baynes. Baynes didn't see anything but garbage minutes in that series.

[Splits]

He had a double-digit plus/minus in every Spurs win in the first 2 series. He was positive against Memphis in all 4 games, and definitely defended well against Memphis, whose bread and butter is inside play. You don't have to get 'your numbers' to be productive. He was an asset out there. If Bonner would've posted those kind of double-digit productions in previous seasons, maybe we would've had #5 much sooner.

I'll be the first to tell you he has a lot of areas to improve, but you can't just diss what he gives this team because he doesn't rebound well or doesn't have a jumper. He plays the rugged center role that you need against certain teams, and it's a role Tim would need to play if Tiago wouldn't be there.

Not dissing his value or suggesting Bonner, just think there are cheaper options to do the defensive work. The fact is we will play against teams where we need the "rugged center", and he is probably a primary reason we swept both LA and MEM. Without him, we probably don't sweep both those series, but we don't lose them either.

It is fair to assume the road goes through OKC and MIA next year, both of which go small and minimize Tiago's strenghts to the point he isn't even on the court when it matters most. And we need another playmaker more than we need an all-around polished big. Cheaper guys, the 6 or so I listed before, can do the dirty defensive work when it's needed. I'd love to have both, and perhaps the FO can make that work by getting Manu to take $5m or less and amnestying Bonner, but if it comes down to a choice of bringing back Splitter vs. getting a defensive replacement + a perimeter playmaker, I go with the latter.

[Chinook]

LOL lets not fucking go WAY overboard here.

He certainly got considerations for the WCF MVP in my book. I think he'd've had a similar impact against the Pacers.

[Baam]

The comparison to Bonner is well taken, but let's not get carried away with Baynes. Baynes didn't see anything but garbage minutes in that series.

He started a game on Dwight and the Lakers only scored 4pts in like 8minutes.

[objective]

When Duncan and Splitter were on the court together in the playoffs, the Spurs defense and +/- was great. And it's no coincidence that Duncan's best season in years comes when he's paired with legit big.

Splitter's deal isn't what would keep the Spurs from making deals. It's crap like paying Bonner 4 million when they could have bought him out for 1 million is what will keep the Spurs in neutral while other teams improve, some drastically.

[MannyIsGod]

He certainly got considerations for the WCF MVP in my book. I think he'd've had a similar impact against the Pacers.

Yeah I don't know about that. I believe thats going way overboard. I thought he had a good series but MVP? No fucking way. The Spurs still win that series without Tiago even if its harder.

[ElNono]

He had a negative plus minus in the Lakers series and was the worst player on the team, Bonner and Baynes did much better.

For some reason basketball-reference (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01/gamelog/2013/) doesn't have the first game, where he was indeed -6. He posted +12, +11 and +31 in the next 3 games.

Thanks for the correction. :toast

[ElNono]

Not dissing his value or suggesting Bonner, just think there are cheaper options to do the defensive work. The fact is we will play against teams where we need the "rugged center", and he is probably a primary reason we swept both LA and MEM. Without him, we probably don't sweep both those series, but we don't lose them either.

It is fair to assume the road goes through OKC and MIA next year, both of which go small and minimize Tiago's strenghts to the point he isn't even on the court when it matters most. And we need another playmaker more than we need an all-around polished big. Cheaper guys, the 6 or so I listed before, can do the dirty defensive work when it's needed. I'd love to have both, and perhaps the FO can make that work by getting Manu to take $5m or less and amnestying Bonner, but if it comes down to a choice of bringing back Splitter vs. getting a defensive replacement + a perimeter playmaker, I go with the latter.

Well, i'm with objective here... I find it much more damaging to pay $4m for a guy that won't likely see the floor, than $8m for a guy that I know for a fact will help Tim be fresh when the playoffs roll around.

[Splits]

For some reason basketball-reference (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01/gamelog/2013/) doesn't have the first game, where he was indeed -6. He posted +12, +11 and +31 in the next 3 games.

Thanks for the correction. :toast

Those are the point differentials between the 2 teams, not the individual player +/-

[Splits]

Splitter was -6, -4, and +11 against the Lakers before going down with an injury and missing G4. Still don't think he had a horrible series against them, +/- is deceiving, but I stand by my prior assessment that for what he adds to the Spurs he isn't worth $8m+ per.

[ElNono]

Those are the point differentials between the 2 teams, not the individual player +/-

DOH!!!! :lol

Completely missed that. /facepalm

[Uriel]

If $8.5M - $9M is all Portland offers, I will be very surprised if the Spurs don't match.

[SpurSpurSpurs]

2 years left in the Duncan era. Tiago may not be posting the numbers people want to have, but he is valuable for the Spurs. System or locker room wise, he's better than most of the bigs in the market.

But if the Spurs has a chance to go after West, might as well let Tiago walk and grab West for 2-3 year deal. Once Tim hangs the jersey, the Spurs can really go in to rebuilding mode.

[buttsR4rebounding]

This is exactly the kind of contract that I predicted Splitter would get offered in November. This is a no-brainer for the Spurs to match. Two facts that get lost in the static are that 1. he is a wonderful compliment to Duncan since his strengths are exactly what Duncan needs (i.e. defend the PnR, guard bigs that like to bang, etc.) and 2. his emergence brought the Spurs back to a top 3 defense. This is the market and the Spurs will pay it absent of some blockbuster move that is unlikely to happen.:flag:

[SenorSpur]

For everyone wanting the Spurs to pass on Splitter, consider what options the Spurs have to replace him with.

[Baam]

If we get Ellis, Kirilenko and some picks in a Splitter sign and trade that would be a good off season in my book.

[Russo21]

Please don't match an offer for Splitter :madrun

[baseline bum]

I'd be happy to get Splitter back for 3 years, $25 million.

[AFBlue]

For everyone wanting the Spurs to pass on Splitter, consider what options the Spurs have to replace him with.

Significant cap space and potentially a sizeable trade exception if they can work out a S&T. It's all about opportunity cost.

Spurs made the wrong decision with Jefferson a couple years ago in that regard, but then made the right one with the Hill-Kawhi swap (didn't have a replacement for Hill then either, but it worked out for the best). We'll see which way they go this time around.

[Russ]

I'd be happy to get Splitter back for 3 years, $25 million.

Splitter became a starter this year and whole team seemed to gel, especially defensively.

This year's team and the prior few teams were like night and day in big games.

Granted, it fell apart for Splitter a few times in the Finals because he played nervous and scared. I don't think we domestics realize what a big deal it is for foreign players to be in the NBA Finals the first time. (Look at Gasol a few years ago.) But I think he'll play tougher and more confident next time. And if they re-sign Splitter, there probably will be a next time.

Splitter is the type of player you won't really notice till he's gone.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spur fan expecting a good big to sign for the MLE per par.Wrong. We're expecting Manu Ginobili to retire or play for the veteran's minimum. Us non-homer Spurs fans are also expecting Tiago Splitter to take a $15 Million 3 year deal.
Yeah, but we were all hoping he might've at least given us a little discount...Exactly. Spurs should let him walk and offer their remaining cap space to a quality big like David West or Al Jefferson.

Portland just received Thomas Robinson from Houston. Are they still going to want Splitter ?Wow, this sucks balls. I wanted Thomas Robinson. :depressed
It was the Finals. Although we had a marvelous run, winning the west means very little to me, sorry. If we find our way back into the Finals, chances are the Heat will be there. Are we just going to bench Splitter once again? An $8 million a year player needs to be on the court when it matters the most.This. Doesn't do you any good to play well if you can't get to the finish line. Typical Tiago Splitter folding in the moment.
I think Tiago not playing like crap would've made a lot of difference in the finals. Everyone wants to bash Manu for his poor play but honestly Tiago was a big letdown. He should've bullied the Miami bigs. I love Tiago and hope he stays, but he's GOT to improve his presence around the rim.Just like I said.
Fickle? That game 6 loss still hurts just as much as it did that day. Nothing has changed. What I saw out of Splitter in the Finals was plain awful. He shrunk when it mattered the most. Whether we won or lost that series, I felt Splitter needed to be let go if was going to get this kind of money (which I expected).Thank you.
I don't want him to return for that kind of money. Look I know he is a very solid piece. But I believe the Heat are a lock to be in the Finals again next year. If we somehow make it, marching out the same starting 5 is not going to be good enough. Splitter is just not the man against the Heat.UNLESS we can sign a big free agent like Jarrett Jack. Also I like how everyone is taking Tim Duncan for granted and just automatically assuming that he's going to give us the same production next year. For God's sake I hope that you guys are right.

Honestly if Pop played Diaw much more, this wouldn't be a problem. The Spurs not only need to play against the Heat. They need to play against the Dwight Howards, the Gasols, the Randolphs. (players that Tiago matches up well with). Duncan is going to need help against these guys and Splitter is the best option.This. Pop and his fuc*ing regular season rotations in the middle of the NBA Finals.
I actually like our chances if we go back to the finals against the heat. Fluke victory for the heat in game 6 and a fluke win in game 7 with James and battier nearly going perfect from 3. Kawhi will b a much better player (scary) as would TiagoAgain people taking Tim Duncan for granted. Tiago has peaked.
I've been here all season, and didn't make one emotional post during the whole Finals run. I bleed silver and black and have never jumped off their wagon. Didn't know that being a Splitter lover was synonymous with being a Spurs fan. I like the dude, but 9 million is too much.Just ignore benefactor. The guy is probably another Popsucker and Manu fan boy that trolls everyone that disagrees with him.


Splitter played an important role in us getting to the finals. I want him back; I like the guy and its looking more and more like he's better than any FA option out there.

My problem with Tiago is that he was a huge disappointment in the finals. Like I said earlier, he should have dominated the Miami bigs. Or at least, played at a similar level as he did in previous series. He's gotta improve his interior game if he wants to prove that he's worthy of the big money he's asking for.Agree. I'm surprised to hear you criticizing a Spurs player. I'm proud of you.


If Splitter gets more than 6 mil/yr and Manu gets more than 4 mil/yr...our front office has done an epic fail.Bingo. Best comment that I've read so far.


And sign who, exactly? This isn't exactly the greatest FA selection in NBA history.Cough... have Tim Duncan recruit Al Jefferson or David West. They both idolized Tim Duncan growing up and who knows, they might be willing to take a minor pay cut.


What do the Spurs need more: an $8m big and bring back essentially the same team, or grab someone like Blatche for $1m a year and use the cap space to go after an FA like Jarret Jack who can create his own and run backup point? Manu's on the decline and we were exposed in the Finals by not having anybody besides Parker on the perimeter who can run the offense. Obviously, Splitter to Blatche is a downgrade, but is it that much of a drop off when we also have Diaw to plug in at the 4 if we add a playmaker?Not a bad idea. I don't think Blatche plays any defense though. Maybe we can keep Splitter and get Blatche for cheap. Now that would be great.


Yeah, but the Heat can say DG's three point binge was a fluke after exposing his flaws in Games 6 and 7. Look, we simply can't stand pat and hope TD and Manu find the fountain of youth for another year but Splitter isn't the problem. He's important in key matchups against certain elite teams out West, so keeping him is a priority. 3/25 is a fair deal and he would've gone for more had he shown up in the Finals so we should consider it a kind of discount. Plus, we should still have money left over to get another solid contributor.This. If we can keep Splitter but sign another big contributor like Jarrett Jack or Jose Calderon then I think most of our problems would be solved. We just got to hope that TD can play well for another year.


8-10 mil for a center in his prime only averaging 10 and 6. LMAO!!!!! I'll pass.Co-signed.


I wouldn't want Blatche on this team if he paid us $1M per year.Then you don't know shi* about basketball my friend.


Ugh, this is one of those catch 22 deals, He's hit his ceiling and will not get any better but will the Spurs go out and find someone to fill in the spot because San Antonio is not an attractive team? Probably not. So we can buy this guy for 3 years and expect crappy numbers, inflated because he gets to start games next to Duncan. The only reasoning would be that he's going to develop a post game by a miracle during the off season, learn not to shoot that shitty hook, learn to rebound when it matters and put up offense when he's not in there with Duncan.

Everyone is looking at him like he's great in the pick n roll and to a certain point he is, if he catches the ball 3 feet from the basket and Manu is in the game wit him because Parker will not pass the ball to him regularly, nope his pick man is Duncan. Unless Tim decides to play for 3 more years and is just as productive this is a horrible signing because we're obligated to pay him and once Tim starts to decline his crappy presence will be apparent and nobody will want to touch him.. Sure, people were clamoring for him in years before because we didn't know what he could do, and now we do. We know exactly that he's shit when he gets stopped short of the rim, has no offense whatsoever unless he's 3 feet from the basket and is slow and can't rebound consistently.That's what I've been thinking all along. Right now that Splitter is in his prime and at his highest value on the market, why not S&T him for Ömer Aşık, Lamarcus Albridge, or a quality big man.


PER of 21 last year. He's not a starter on this team but how much of a dropoff is Diaw starting with Blatche coming in as 3rd big instead of Splitter starting and Diaw as 3rd big? He's an UFA and made under $1m last year, so he could be gotten on the cheap and give us room to improve elsewhere.I agree. We can probably convince him to play for cheap in SA, I mean I'm pretty sure that he's tired of losing.


Some people are sold on Tiago's intangibles but for that kind of money his glaring offensive weaknesses will be put on display. We're saying that he's worth about just as much as Duncan, Parker and Manu. I mean if we're paying him 8 or 9 million how much are they going to have to pay Kawhi when his deal comes around?I know this scares me. Tiago making as much as Manu, Timmy, and Parker? Popsuckers and Manu worshippers are out of their fuc*ing mind.


Hickson is available, as is Blatche, both much less expensive than Splitter. You could also go with a combination of scrub vet mins like KMart, Birdman, Ivan Johnson, Haddadi, etc and figure out what works for spot defensive work while rolling with Diaw as the starter.

There's plenty of guys available who can play defense and/or rebound who won't command anywhere near $8m a year.Well said. I wouldn't mind Kmart if the Spurs can get him for very cheap. He can still play defense and adds toughness to the team.


He had a negative plus minus in the Lakers series and was the worst player on the team, Bonner and Baynes did much better.LMAO. True.


Not dissing his value or suggesting Bonner, just think there are cheaper options to do the defensive work. The fact is we will play against teams where we need the "rugged center", and he is probably a primary reason we swept both LA and MEM. Without him, we probably don't sweep both those series, but we don't lose them either.

It is fair to assume the road goes through OKC and MIA next year, both of which go small and minimize Tiago's strenghts to the point he isn't even on the court when it matters most. And we need another playmaker more than we need an all-around polished big. Cheaper guys, the 6 or so I listed before, can do the dirty defensive work when it's needed. I'd love to have both, and perhaps the FO can make that work by getting Manu to take $5m or less and amnestying Bonner, but if it comes down to a choice of bringing back Splitter vs. getting a defensive replacement + a perimeter playmaker, I go with the latter.Nice comeback once again.


2 years left in the Duncan era. Tiago may not be posting the numbers people want to have, but he is valuable for the Spurs. System or locker room wise, he's better than most of the bigs in the market.

But if the Spurs has a chance to go after West, might as well let Tiago walk and grab West for 2-3 year deal. Once Tim hangs the jersey, the Spurs can really go in to rebuilding mode.I agree. David West would be the ideal Tiago replacement because he can play defense and also score over Norris Cole and Shane Battier.

[Captivus]

Baynes could be just as good as Tiago. I mean, is not like he is scoring and getting 100 rebounds a game.
If im the spurs I rather spend my money on a scoring big.
No more than $6.5 for Tiago,, 4 years, last year Team Option.

[I. Hustle]

I heard the Spurs already had clones of David Robinson and Hakeem ready to go and they only have to pay them in crayons because all they know is basketball and coloring.
I don't like to give up my sources so when it happens just know that you heard it here first.

[K-State Spur]

Nope, I expect the Spurs to use that money elsewhere and get a big that can potentially punish teams for going small. Millsap is the man for that kind of money.

The same Millsap who had 70% of his attempts be jumpshots, and has seen his rebounding percentage fall by almost 25% the past 5 years? That Paul Millsap?

For the record, I actually like him as a player, but it's laughable to suggest that 6'7 (on a good day) PF is going to "PUNISH" teams for going small.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Pass. $8.5 million per is too much for a guy who kills you against elite teams imo. You know the Spurs are matching any offer though. For better or worse.

So what's your take on the Grizz. Are they an elite team. Because the last time I checked Splitter was a main contributor in the Spurs winning that Series.

My take is the Spurs just need another playmaker and shotmaker on their roster period. That should be the main focus. Ellis (not my first choice), Jack, Mayo, and Evans all can provide the Spurs just that. Manu showed he can't be relied on night in and night out any more the carry the load off the bench.

[Keepin' it real]

Baynes is going to play much more minutes which will provide toughness

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[J_Paco]

The same Millsap who had 70% of his attempts be jumpshots, and has seen his rebounding percentage fall by almost 25% the past 5 years? That Paul Millsap?

For the record, I actually like him as a player, but it's laughable to suggest that 6'7 (on a good day) PF is going to "PUNISH" teams for going small.


Or provide the quality team defense a 6'11'' guy does, but in the world of delusional Spur fans the grass is always greener on the other side. Until you realize the other side is mostly piles of shit (not that I don't like Milsap) when forced into this team-oriented system.

[cd021]

Too much for a guy that couldn't even find the floor in the Finals. Sorry Tiago. I liked how you ran the pick-and-roll and your solid defense, but see ya man.

Splitter wasn't a good fit in that series. He played well against Memphis. He is a role player, going to be an expensive role player but one none the less a role player. Duncan and Parker are the stars of this team and need to should the biggest load.

[eDizzle20]

After thinking long and hard, you gotta sign Splitter. He's too smart of a player and works too well in the Spurs system not to. He also loves his teammates and has a great attitude. He's just gotta get his confidence up and learn not to bring the ball down low when in traffic. He is a great post defender and is pretty decent in the pick n roll. LeBron is the one guy in the league that can expose any possible weakness. Outside of the Miami series he played very well. Fans need to start forgiving the guy.

[Johnny RIngo]

I think Tiago not playing like crap would've made a lot of difference in the finals. Everyone wants to bash Manu for his poor play but honestly Tiago was a big letdown. He should've bullied the Miami bigs. I love Tiago and hope he stays, but he's GOT to improve his presence around the rim.

Tiago wasn't payed 14 million last year. When you're payed star money, I expect you to at least not be a liability(like Ginobili was for most of the playoffs)

[Drom John]

PER Centers (Hollinger has Duncan and Diaw as Forwards)

21st Sanders
22nd Splitter
23rd Dalembert

37th Asik
38th Blair
39th Bogut

VA Centers
18th Garnett
19th Splitter
20th Sanders

37th Dalembert
38th Blair
39th Pachulia

For whatever reason Basketball-Reference has Splitter as a PF.
Win shares for all F&C except those listed as F-G.

12th Horford
13th Duncan
14th Splitter
15th Randolph

37th Landry
38th Leonard
39th Anthony Davis

42nd Sanders
43rd Green (forward?)
44th Monroe

67th Cousins
68th Diaw
69th Favors

No other Spur in top 100

Win Share/48

5th Marc Gasol
6th Splitter
7th Griffin
8th Duncan
9th Brooks Lopez

22nd Faried
23rd Leonard
24th McGee

64th Thabeet
65th Bonner (yes, per 48 Bonner was better than Kevin Garnett)
66th Garnett

69th Pendergraph
70th Green
71st Terrence Jones

74th Valanciunis
75th Blair
76th Booker

82nd Aldridge
83rd Diaw (yes, per 48 Diaw was almost as good as Larmarcus Aldridge)
84th Hayward

No other Spurs in top 100

[Jordanobili2320]

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[dbreiden83080]

Dude we were good enough to win this year. One rebound or one made free throw would've changed everything.

But Spiltter did not contribute in the finals.. He's soft..

[TheGreatYacht]

The same Millsap who had 70% of his attempts be jumpshots, and has seen his rebounding percentage fall by almost 25% the past 5 years? That Paul Millsap?

For the record, I actually like him as a player, but it's laughable to suggest that 6'7 (on a good day) PF is going to "PUNISH" teams for going small.This. It would be Malik Rose and Dejuan Blair all over again.

[capek]

Spur fan expecting a good big to sign for the MLE per par.

[Baam]

Sign and trade for Robinson tbh.

[lowdown]

Exactly what Benefactor said. The numbers mentioned in the report seem about right. Yes, it's true Splitter pussed out in the Finals. Yes, I'd be worried about Splitter being injury prone during the life of the contract. But big men (especially with the skill set that Tiago possesses) aren't easy to find and in this NBA economy, that's the going rate. Paul Milsap - please. His atheleticism and over achieving motor is his strength but that's going to deteriorate sooner than later as he's getting older and even with that, he's not worth a big contract. Dude is a small forward playing in the front court. People should stop throwing names around as if this is some fantasy basketball league. As an example, Jarret Jack is a chucker - I'll be it, a good one with a clutch shot. Even with GS, he goes outside of team ball while he's playing the point. Is Gary Neal a chucker? To the nth degree but while I would like for him to be replaced in the rotation, Neal will demand far less $ (without it being a terrible long term contract) than many of the names being mentioned. I hope the Spurs can upgrade the swingman and/or frontcourt depth, but there are so many stupid GMs willing to overpay above average talent that it's not worth the Spurs getting in a pissing contest over hyped names.

[Mugen]

3yrs/25million is a more than fair deal for a big of Tiago's caliber.

I was very disappointed in his play in the Finals but, at this point, it's in the Spurs' best interest to re-sign him to a fair deal if they want to keep competing for titles in the remaining Duncan era.

[benefactor]

Wrong. We're expecting Manu Ginobili to retire or play for the veteran's minimum. Us non-homer Spurs fans are also expecting Tiago Splitter to take a $15 Million 3 year deal.

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Exactly. Spurs should let him walk and offer their remaining cap space to a quality big like David West or Al Jefferson.

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Wow, this sucks balls. I wanted Thomas Robinson. :depressed

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This. Doesn't do you any good to play well if you can't get to the finish line. Typical Tiago Splitter folding in the moment.

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Just like I said.

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Thank you.

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UNLESS we can sign a big free agent like Jarrett Jack. Also I like how everyone is taking Tim Duncan for granted and just automatically assuming that he's going to give us the same production next year. For God's sake I hope that you guys are right.

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This. Pop and his fuc*ing regular season rotations in the middle of the NBA Finals.

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Again people taking Tim Duncan for granted. Tiago has peaked.

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Just ignore benefactor. The guy is probably another Popsucker and Manu fan boy that trolls everyone that disagrees with him.

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Agree. I'm surprised to hear you criticizing a Spurs player. I'm proud of you.

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Bingo. Best comment that I've read so far.

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Cough... have Tim Duncan recruit Al Jefferson or David West. They both idolized Tim Duncan growing up and who knows, they might be willing to take a minor pay cut.

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Not a bad idea. I don't think Blatche plays any defense though. Maybe we can keep Splitter and get Blatche for cheap. Now that would be great.

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This. If we can keep Splitter but sign another big contributor like Jarrett Jack or Jose Calderon then I think most of our problems would be solved. We just got to hope that TD can play well for another year.

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Co-signed.

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Then you don't know shi* about basketball my friend.

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That's what I've been thinking all along. Right now that Splitter is in his prime and at his highest value on the market, why not S&T him for Ömer Aşık, Lamarcus Albridge, or a quality big man.

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I agree. We can probably convince him to play for cheap in SA, I mean I'm pretty sure that he's tired of losing.

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I know this scares me. Tiago making as much as Manu, Timmy, and Parker? Popsuckers and Manu worshippers are out of their fuc*ing mind.

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Well said. I wouldn't mind Kmart if the Spurs can get him for very cheap. He can still play defense and adds toughness to the team.

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LMAO. True.

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Nice comeback once again.

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[rascal]

I don't know why so many people say Splitter played so well in the playoffs and that the Spurs would'nt have gotten past Memphis or GS without him. Replace him with another big and the Spurs will be fine if not even better. I didn't see anything special from Splitter in the playoffs that any other center could not have done.

[rmt]

25/3 is very reasonable for TS. Posters forget that DeAndre Jordan and McGee are getting $10.5 and $10.75 a year and they're dumb as rocks. Big men get paid a premium. There's no other reasonable option out there. Spurs need TS for DH, Gasols, Randolphs in the West. Hopefully, Bynum stays in the East or else we'll really need TS.

[FireMicoHalili]

Won't pay him more than 7M. Offense is adequate yes, but defense is nowhere near Rasho's. draft websites projected him to be like Pau Gasol. Nowhere near a rookie Pau Gasol at age 28.

[ducks]

david lee is owed 44 million

[Spur-Addict]

I don't know why so many people say Splitter played so well in the playoffs and that the Spurs would'nt have gotten past Memphis or GS without him. Replace him with another big and the Spurs will be fine if not even better. I didn't see anything special from Splitter in the playoffs that any other center could not have done.

Which bigs do you have in mind?

[rascal]

Send an attractive enough package to Portland for Aldridge.

[ducks]

al jeffeson is going to the bobcats for much more money
dw is to expensive

[ducks]

Send an attractive enough package to Portland for Aldridge.
they turned down a david lee offer from gs
they do not need tp
he is the only spur player that is in david lee class

[Interrohater]

Has anyone thought about this? What if Tiago goes somewhere else AND we can't find a free agent who wants to come here? We'll end up paying big for a bad fit as well as a lower-skilled player. Our frontcourt lineup would be Tim, Diaw, Baynes, Bonner. You need at least one more big to fill that out when injuries happen. It's also not very intimidating.

Tiago was not the problem in the finals, so pay the man and move on with the offseason.

[ducks]

oden would get a bigger offer from spurs

[rascal]

they turned down a david lee offer from gs
they do not need tp
he is the only spur player that is in david lee class

TP is better than Lee.

[coyotes_geek]

Send an attractive enough package to Portland for Aldridge.

That package starts with Tony Parker......

[KawhiLeonard]

30 Million 4 Years if he wants anything more than that Sign and Trade him.

[rascal]

That package starts with Tony Parker......

Nope, the package starts with Leonard.

[ducks]

I want to know what rascal thinks portland would take for aldridge

that sa has?
kl has shown all star potenial but not sure portland would take him to give sa aldridge

[coyotes_geek]

Nope, the package starts with Leonard.

Both TBH.

[TheGreatYacht]

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[Baam]

Bottom line you can't reward a scrub for playing that bad with such a contract.

Pop prides himself on relying on meritocracy so I'm gonna bet on a sign and trade.

[024]

This was expected, he would obviously want money similar to Asik even though Asik has far more potential.

All I can say is I expect the Spurs to re-sign Splitter given their "standing pat" strategy and aversion to risks. So when Splitter fails a post up against a 6'6 player or gets his weak flip shots packed while he flops like a little bitch and doesn't get a call, it's going to be that much more frustrating. I could put up wit his soft shit when he was on his rookie contract but if he gets paid $9 million a year and consumes a large part of the cap, everyone is going be tired of his softness really fast.

[Baam]

This was expected, he would obviously want money similar to Asik even though Asik has far more potential.

All I can say is I expect the Spurs to re-sign Splitter given their "standing pat" strategy and aversion to risks. So when Splitter fails a post up against a 6'6 player or gets his weak flip shots packed while he flops like a little bitch and doesn't get a call, it's going to be that much more frustrating. I could put up wit his soft shit when he was on his rookie contract but if he gets paid $9 million a year and consumes a large part of the cap, everyone is going be tired of his softness really fast.

Yeah that's not a good plan, especially when we're in such a good situation cap wise. You can't tell Danny Green and Boris Diaw that Splitter did enough to earn twice as much as they do.

[KawhiLeonard]

Leonard > Aldridge. Short Term and Long Term srs

[rascal]

I want to know what rascal thinks portland would take for aldridge

that sa has?
kl has shown all star potenial but not sure portland would take him to give sa aldridge

Leonard, Splitter(s & t), Bonner , Diaw for Aldridge Withey(some size back) and Crabbe

Spurs would have to get a couple of free agents to replace Leonard and Bonner.
You take a hit at sf for an upgrade at pf/center.

[rascal]

This was expected, he would obviously want money similar to Asik even though Asik has far more potential.

All I can say is I expect the Spurs to re-sign Splitter given their "standing pat" strategy and aversion to risks. So when Splitter fails a post up against a 6'6 player or gets his weak flip shots packed while he flops like a little bitch and doesn't get a call, it's going to be that much more frustrating. I could put up wit his soft shit when he was on his rookie contract but if he gets paid $9 million a year and consumes a large part of the cap, everyone is going be tired of his softness really fast.

good post. What you say is what they exactly will do.

[024]

Other thoughts:

- I don't know why everyone is freaking out but I shouldn't be surprised at the GNSF reaction. If they think they can get Splitter to sign under $8 million, they are completely delusional. I even see a couple of "Splitter should sign for $5 million a year" :lol

- Bigs come at a premium in the league and the Spurs would be lucky to not overpay Splitter too much. There are far worse bigs out there that get paid way more money. If he gets $11-$12 million offers, THEN that would put the Spurs in a quandary and Spurstalk will be allowed to have a meltdown.

- For the record, Millsap is a better big than Splitter, hence why he will get paid more than Splitter. I dislike small bigs just as much as the next GNSF but Millsap is the exception. He has a 7'2 wingspan and rebounds and works hard without Splitter's softness. I would rather have a small that plays big than a big that plays small. You can be sure if he was posting up against Battier or Miller, he would wreck them. As for the better fit, again, thanks to the Spurs frugality and aversion to risks, they most likely would rather keep Splitter.

- The real contract dilemma is Ginobili. Whether he takes the under the cap MLE or a larger amount will be everything. That is the difference between essentially no cap room to $7-8 million of cap room. Judging on how the Spurs extended an offer to Neal and kept Bonner, I grow less optimistic every day that the Spurs are willing to target a good free agent. Waiving Bonner and renouncing Neal's rights could have cleared about $5 million more cap space. The Spurs did not do that, which means they probably do not plan on improving the team.

So now is not the time to have a meltdown. When the Spurs stand pat and blow their cap room bringing back the same roster, that's when Spurstalk should start calling for RC and Pop's heads.

[lurker23]

$8-9 million is about as expected for Splitter, and I think the Spurs would be very happy if that turns out to be the case.

EDIT: Text below probably isn't applicable; carry on.

That said, this part was interesting:

"The baseline for a Splitter offer sheet will likely be the three-year, $25 million deal that Houston awarded center Omer Asik in free agency a year ago, sources told Y! Sports."

The major question with this would be, will it be the poison pill variety? Asik's contract was structured such that (if the Bulls matched) it would be worth $5 million each of the first two years, then $15 million in year 3. If so, how would the Spurs react to this? The pro would be more cap room this year, the con would be less cap room the year after Parker and Duncan's current contracts expire.

[lurker23]

$8-9 million is about as expected for Splitter, and I think the Spurs would be very happy if that turns out to be the case. That said, this part was interesting:

"The baseline for a Splitter offer sheet will likely be the three-year, $25 million deal that Houston awarded center Omer Asik in free agency a year ago, sources told Y! Sports."

The major question with this would be, will it be the poison pill variety? Asik's contract was structured such that (if the Bulls matched) it would be worth $5 million each of the first two years, then $15 million in year 3. If so, how would the Spurs react to this? The pro would be more cap room this year, the con would be less cap room the year after Parker and Duncan's current contracts expire.

Actually, now that I look at it, I don't think a contract like this is possible in Splitter's situation, since he doesn't fall under the Gilbert Arenas provision. Can anyone confirm this?

[Raven]

if it's 25 for 3 than i'll be happy, freaking javale mcgee got 44+/4 years..

[DPG21920]

1) This is not unexpected.

2) Spurs will definitely have a decision to make as it's a lot of money. Good news is that it won't really impact their cap space this year.

3) It only takes one stupid team to significantly up that price. We have to hope that does not happen.

4) It's funny that people point out the Spurs FA struggles while seemingly making it seem like Tiago has the Spurs held hostage. That's not the Spurs MO either. Very rare that someone holds the Spurs hostage financially, so they do have options.

5) If the contract is what is reported, that seems fair and Spurs should bring him back.

6) While bringing him back should be the priority, there are certainly legit reasons to pause. But in the end, he is critical.

[TheGreatYacht]

Other thoughts:

- I don't know why everyone is freaking out but I shouldn't be surprised at the GNSF reaction. If they think they can get Splitter to sign under $8 million, they are completely delusional. I even see a couple of "Splitter should sign for $5 million a year" :lolI think the qualifying offer of $5 million a year that the Spurs have offered is fair enough. Whether he'll take that or not is another subject.


- The real contract dilemma is Ginobili. Whether he takes the under the cap MLE or a larger amount will be everything. That is the difference between essentially no cap room to $7-8 million of cap room. Judging on how the Spurs extended an offer to Neal and kept Bonner, I grow less optimistic every day that the Spurs are willing to target a good free agent. Waiving Bonner and renouncing Neal's rights could have cleared about $5 million more cap space. The Spurs did not do that, which means they probably do not plan on improving the team.I'm hoping that Manu is letting the Spurs do all their signings and that his contract doesn't end up being an obstacle or difference maker on whether we sign a FA or not. Hopefully he pulls a Tim Duncan in that he's willing to sacrifice his salary for the good of the team.


So now is not the time to have a meltdown. When the Spurs stand pat and blow their cap room bringing back the same roster, that's when Spurstalk should start calling for RC and Pop's headsCo-signed.

[Spurs Brazil]

three-year, $25 million is a fair deal.

I'd keep him for that money and especially years. I don't want to see Spurs sign Tiago for 5 season

[PingPong]

If I was Splitter, I'd depart. When a decadent team's fans are bashing you, take your pride and go away.

[TheGoldStandard]

if it's 25 for 3 than i'll be happy, freaking javale mcgee got 44+/4 years..

Javale is athletic as hell, can block shots that seem impossible, can rebound.. he's a goofy ass kid but if he got his shit together he'd be scary good. Not the same for tiago

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs will overreact when nobody signs here and shore him up to a 4 year 40Million dollar deal.

[therealtruth]

If I was Splitter, I'd depart. When a decadent team's fans are bashing you, take your pride and go away.

It's like Spurs fans forget how successful we were in the playoffs relying on Bonner/Blair.

[illusioNtEk]

omfg sign him and stfu

Splitter can only improve from this point

[spursncowboys]

Don't resign. Too much. Spurs should not forget too soon that they got a bit of help along the way in getting to the Finals. Splitter is not worth 9 million against the elite teams. Let him walk.
It reminds of nfl where you have to pay more for mediocre players in certain positions. That's the going rate for a big man. Either that or they pay little for a rookie and play the lottery. Atleast with Splitter they know where he needs work on. He's not a lost cause.

[Marcus Bryant]

3 years, $25 mil is standard fare for a starting big in the NBA. Some of you don't have a clue.

[Leetonidas]

Leonard, Splitter(s & t), Bonner , Diaw for Aldridge Withey(some size back) and Crabbe

Spurs would have to get a couple of free agents to replace Leonard and Bonner.
You take a hit at sf for an upgrade at pf/center.
Leonard will be a better player than LMA, who has already seemed to have plateaued imo

[Leetonidas]

Javale is athletic as hell, can block shots that seem impossible, can rebound.. he's a goofy ass kid but if he got his shit together he'd be scary good. Not the same for tiago
Javale McGee is almost literally retarded though. If he had Tiago's brain he'd be a great player, but some of the shit this dude does on the court really makes you scratch your head

[Leetonidas]

But yeah Tiago is worth 8 million a season, that's the going rate for starting big man and he was almost the starting big man on a championship team.

[PingPong]

Javale McGee is almost literally retarded though. If he had Tiago's brain he'd be a great player, but some of the shit this dude does on the court really makes you scratch your head

If you want a borderline retard big, try Fab Melo. He's cheap.

[BackHome]

I wonder if he is demanding a trade and if that is so can we squeeze the Suns for swapping next years draft picks?

[tesseractive]

Javale McGee is almost literally retarded though. If he had Tiago's brain he'd be a great player, but some of the shit this dude does on the court really makes you scratch your head
Dunk, Forrest, dunk! :lol

[Twisted_Dawg]

San Antonio Spurs restricted free-agent center Tiago Splitter could command an offer sheet that averages $8.5 million to $9 million annually, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Portland Trail Blazers are expected to be a suitor for Splitter, league sources said. The Utah Jazz and Atlanta Hawks have salary-cap space, a need for a young center and general managers – Dennis Lindsey and Danny Ferry, respectively – who were Spurs front-office executives when Splitter came into the organization.

The Spurs will be in a strong position to match an offer sheet and keep Splitter, because they'll free of Stephen Jackson's $10 million salary and expect to re-sign Manu Ginobili at a lesser salary than the $14.1 million he made this season.
The baseline for a Splitter offer sheet will likely be the three-year, $25 million deal that Houston awarded center Omer Asik in free agency a year ago, sources told Y! Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nba-free-agent-buzz--tony-allen-draws-interest-from-grizzlies--pacers--bucks--knicks-234954522.html

Conversely, if Ferry and Bud, and Lindsey DON'T make a run at Splitter, we can conclude they think he is a pussy and not worth $9 mill per.

[TheGreatYacht]

Conversely, if Ferry and Bud, and Lindsey DON'T make a run at Splitter, we can conclude they think he is a pussy and not worth $9 mill per.I hope nobody makes a run at him so that we can keep him for $5M per year which is about what he is worth tbh.

[look_at_g_shred]

Just sign Splitter and Manu already so we can tell how much money we will have to play with.

[TheGoldStandard]

Just sign Splitter and Manu already so we can tell how much money we will have to play with.

Seriously this... Pop and RC should just get on the horn for possible interest, there's probably 3 teams that would make an offer.. Let it be over with so we can see the Spurs pay him 8 or 9 Million

[TheGreatYacht]

Do you guys not know that the Spurs already made a qualifying offer to Tiago Splitter? The offer is on already on the table, just of matter of Tiago signing the offer sheet. The FO and Manu probably have agreed that the Spurs will sign all the FA's necessary and then Manu will take whatever money is left, else Manu wouldn't be on vacation in Argentina. All that is good for the Spurs.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/6/3...lifying-offers

[MannyIsGod]

Considering that in order for him to be a RFA they have to extend him a qualifying offer, yes we know.

[JMarkJohns]

Sarver lapdog, John Gambadoro, says report is false, ridiculous, and nothing to it.

I'm actually kind of disappointed.

[Agloco]

Asik or Gortat plz......thx.

[BackHome]

The only team I think might throw big money would be Dallas if they loose out to Howard.

[SpurSpurSpurs]

I agree. David West would be the ideal Tiago replacement because he can play defense and also score over Norris Cole and Shane Battier.

Tiago is a superb pick and roll player, but he lacks mid range jumpers. West can do both and abuse the small ball line-ups by posting up. He's a good system player and shouldn't be that hard for him to learn the system. Diaw was able to do it, hopefully he can too.

I'd go David West as first option then Tiago as second, hopefully we don't go beyond that.

[pad300]

I'm hoping that Manu is letting the Spurs do all their signings and that his contract doesn't end up being an obstacle or difference maker on whether we sign a FA or not. Hopefully he pulls a Tim Duncan in that he's willing to sacrifice his salary for the good of the team.



Well, we will find out quickly - the first thing the Spurs have to do to have any cap room at all is either cut Gino loose as a unrestricted FA, or sign him to a new contract. His cap hold is enormous ($19 million IIRC), because his salary was high last year...

[dallasmaverickslose]

Do you guys not know that the Spurs already made a qualifying offer to Tiago Splitter? The offer is on already on the table, just of matter of Tiago signing the offer sheet. The FO and Manu probably have agreed that the Spurs will sign all the FA's necessary and then Manu will take whatever money is left, else Manu wouldn't be on vacation in Argentina. All that is good for the Spurs.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/6/3...lifying-offers

I have confidence that Manu will take a "whatever money's left deal." He's aware of what's good for the team.

see? We can agree on stuff. I agree with you for the most part in the finals Manu was horrible, and he shouldn't be asking for a lot of $$ this offseason. However, I don't think it's necessary to hate on and hold grudges against him.