Spurs Sign Tiago Splitter to 4 year/$36 Million Deal

[Mugen]

Lol I was definitely not "stoked" about that. I understood the move though.

I've already said that I would re-sign Tiago. Doesn't mean he isn't overpayed and overvalued. It is what it is.

Just pointing out facts.

I understand. But he's not overpaid nor overvalued when considering the NBA big man market.

[johnpaulwall21]

Where was his defense whenever Duncan took a seat during the finals?

[MannyIsGod]

Realistically, the Spurs couldn't let Tiago sign an offer sheet. Teams signing RFA's to offer sheets usually frontload those deals to maximize the cap hit in the first year to try and scare off the original team from matching. If the Spurs wanted to keep Tiago and try to come away with some capspace this year, they couldn't let Tiago sign an offer sheet. The Spurs kind of got backed into a corner here.

Yeah - I think this post nails whats happening here. I'm not particularly happy about it but I can understand the situation.

[elemento]

Overpaid, but I don't think anyone here was expecting anything less than 8m/year.

[ernest787]

It's not a bad contract. If Dwight goes back to LA, then we still need 2 good bigs that can match up with the bigs in LA and Memphis. With Splitter the Spurs can do it. I think if they are able to sign AK47 and Manu that'd be solid. In a series against the Heat being able to sit Splitter and start Ak47 next to Tim would be fantastic.

[SA210]

"Indiana, the leagues best defense, allowed 96.6 points per 100 possessions. The Spurs allowed 96.2 points per 100 possessions with Splitter on the floor. They reverted to average when he sat out (102.3 pts/100)."

[DesignatedT]

I understand. But he's not overpaid nor overvalued when considering the NBA big man market.

I'm glad he's back. Lets just hope he continues to improve so he can log more than 4 minutes in an NBA Finals elimination game.

[8FOR!3]

"Indiana, the leagues best defense, allowed 96.6 points per 100 possessions. The Spurs allowed 96.2 points per 100 possessions with Splitter on the floor. They reverted to average when he sat out (102.3 pts/100)."

Watch as everybody under your post blatantly ignores that.

[HemisfairArena]

Way to much money for Splitter. 9 mil/year for a guy averaging 10 and 6? LMAO! Hell...lets sign Manu to 8 mil/yr while we're at it.

[DesignatedT]

Hell...lets sign Manu to 8 mil/yr while we're at it.

It's possible.

[DisAsTerBot]

fair deal. good signing. :tu

[timvp]

Splitter isn't a stat guy. Rattling off his numbers misses most of his production on the court.

[Darius McCrary]

Threads like this is why ST rules.

I like it, but I'm also hopeful Splitter can improve. Keeping the ball high, developing a Chip aided jumper, etc.

I am a not worried that he was signed for Primo Dinero, and hasn't proven he can play true starter minutes over the course of an entire NBA season....last year was his healthiest year, and we've seen that happen with contract years many times.

A risk, but a worthy one IMO.

[MannyIsGod]

My main concerns are:

- Its becoming more and more obvious this the NBA is going to be a small ball league. Every year bigmen like Tiago become less valuable to a team.
- Hes only situationally useful and if the above point continues to come true then those situations will only decline.
- Dude is charmin soft and thats not going to change. Put him up against someone he can just play like a tall pole and succeed and he will. IE Memphis. But against teams like GS and Miami? He'll suffer and become pretty much useless because you can guard him with a point guard (still my biggest beef with him)

That said, there's probably a case to be made that you can't have an effective Duncan at this stage of his career against many teams without Tiago. Also, Tiago eating up regular season minutes IS important in order to maintain Duncan for the post season.

Its not a terrible deal for the Spurs but its not a very good one either. This is more like taking the ugly girl to the prom because you really don't have any options. At least you're going to get some, I guess.

[Raven]

good job by the front office not to wait for splitter to get overpaid. We still have a lot of capspace.

[ffadicted]

tbqh, we're not paying him 4 years 36 mil for what he did for us in the second half of last season. We're paying him 4 years 36 mil for what we hope he's going to do in the next 4, it's an obvious gamble, it's either pay up or see him walk, the spurs chose the first option and put out the $$$ for the gamble.

Now let's see if it pays off. Stop crying like p*ssies, it's not even that bad a contract, idk what you guys were hoping for LOL

[Dr. Gonzo]

*shitty basketball take*

[MannyIsGod]

Also Tiago needs Manu more than any other person on this team. Manu's decline will hurt Tiago more than any other person on this team.

[Keepin' it real]

9M a year for a player who logged 4 minutes in game 7 of the NBA finals.

That's a coach's decision. I'm sure Tiago would have liked to play more.

[jimo2305]

big men currently under contracts between 7 & 10 million this season

deandre jordan ~ 10 mil
andrea bargnani ~ 10 mil
jevale mcgee ~ 10 mil
tim duncan ~ 10 mil
anderson varejao ~ 9 mil
andris bierdrins ~ 9 mil
kendrick perkins ~ 9 mil
omer asik ~ 8 mil
ryan anderson ~ 8 mil
ersan ilyasova ~ 8 mil
marcin gortat ~ 8 mil
al harrington ~ 8 mil


perhaps there's still hope for that sign & trade with gortat?

[Mugen]

I'm glad he's back. Lets just hope he continues to improve so he can log more than 4 minutes in an NBA Finals elimination game.

Hopefully Pop can improve as well in Finals elimination games tbh. Since he was just as much an impediment as Tiago in the last few games of that series.

[mercos]

Good signing IMO. He's getting overpaid a bit, but that is the nature of big man contracts in the NBA. People are reading too much into his Finals numbers. It was a bad series for him as he had no good match ups. Going forward, I expect Miami to patch up their front line with some size (possibly Oden) and Splitter may become even more valuable in the future. People forget how good he was in the regular season, and against Memphis and LA. Splitter has also played well against Dwight Howard, who could become a division rival next year.

[DesignatedT]

because you can guard him with a point guard (still my biggest beef with him)

yup.

[jimo2305]

i believe splitter did get overpaid but not by much..

i'd like to sign oden for the minimum or even slightly over pay him with his worth if he brings us that rim protector presence

between miami and san antonio, i could understand him picking miami BUT why would he play there when they already have Chris Anderson?

[SpursSerb]

Watch as everybody under your post blatantly ignores that.

Because everybody remembers his pathetic performance in the finals.It's the last thing he did previous season and it's all that sticks in fans mind.It is what it is.

[coachmac87]

Sooooo is the first yr @ 7.5?? Anybody have the numbers per year??

[SA210]

Hopefully Pop can improve as well in Finals elimination games tbh. Since he was just as much an impediment as Tiago in the last few games of that series.

[freetiago]

Splitter being guarded by a point guard is a complete myth
he posted Fisher and Fisher flopped
that resulted in an offensive foul and everybody said he couldnt guard him

they must have forgotten this game where Brooks tried to play Fisher again and Tiago stayed on the floor and guarded Fisher on the other end
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Fisher had a -21 in 12 minutes on the court where he got abused because they thought they could matchup with Tiago with Fisher on the floor
I guess we should start holding it against Tim Duncan that he couldnt score a layup vs Shane Battier to tie the Finals or get the tipin either tbh...

[Spursfanfromafar]

Considering that I wrote this six months ago -


And while the Asik-Splitter comparison is legitimate to a certain extent; Asik played as a No 4 big with the Bulls on a minimum contract. He was great defensively for the Bulls paired with Gibson, but he was recognised only by the stat crunching Morey and given the poison pill contract. His "real" value came in only after playing as the No 1 big for Houston and kind of justified his contract now. Splitter on the other hand has been far more productive with the Spurs, has been the No 2 big after Duncan and despite limitations has an awesome game for a modern day NBA center. He most certainly would sell for more than $8 million in the current NBA market that privileges big men even with limitations (see McGee/ DeAndre Jordan/ Robin Lopez). The Spurs would certainly recognise that and get a $10 million * 4 contract, in my opinion. Not a case of overpaying in my opinion as Splitter would be in his prime for the next 4 years.

I think, the Spurs FO did a great job in paying Splitter to close or just less than his market value.

[objective]

Though I understand the disappointment with the amount and years, it's a fair deal.

Think about it like this: if Splitter walked, who would replace him? On the current roster, I'm not going to pretend that Baynes would get a chance, we all know it would be Bonner getting major minutes. And for free agency, it's not like some great free agent would be begging to come over for the same amount that Splitter just got. Milsapp isn't that great, and we'd have to watch Tim get chewed up and grinded down to a shell of himself against opposing bigs. Al Jefferson couldn't defend a pick-and-roll to save his life, and Utah changed their coverage every way they could to try to turn Jefferson into just an average defender and nothing worked. Jefferson wasn't going to be able to hang on the court with TD against Miami either. And he would have cost a lot more than Splitter. Don't like 4/36 for Splitter? Try 4/50 for Jefferson, it's not so grand.

[BatManu20]

A lot of NBA writers hating on this deal. Think he's just a Splitter hater though.

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[DesignatedT]

All three of those guys will get more than 12M. Guy is an idiot.

[ffadicted]

A lot of NBA writers hating on this deal.

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Who the F*** is Yannis Koutroupis lmao Why are there so many clueless "NBA experts" out there lol

[BatManu20]

Good article from 48 Minutes of Hell.

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[Mugen]

Uhhh Bynum, Pek, and Jefferson were already going to command a starting salary of 12mil regardless of what Splitter was getting.

People who think Tiago is overpaid just doesn't understand the NBA Free Agency landscape or this is their first NBA offseason tbh.

:lol Biedrins got 6yr/54 million and Splitter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bieds

[Holden_Caulfield]

lol everyone expected splitter to get paid at 9-10 mil. and when he does, they overreact lol dafuq

[Keepin' it real]

Who the F*** is Yannis Koutroupis lmao Why are there so many clueless "NBA experts" out there lol

Why are there so many clueless "NBA experts" in here?

[silverblackfan]

Its a good deal for the Spurs and finally cements another 7' next to Tim in his final years. As some people have pointed out, Tiago has only been playing in the starting lineup for 1 year and is improving in most areas, including free throw %. If he keeps improving, we will have another bargain player for the next few years. The way the other teams are throwing money at the big men, I am surprised it wasn't for $40 million.
The Spur can still sign Leonard for 5 years when he goes on the market.

As long as the Spurs staff can keep improving the players, we are looking at some good years ahead.

Side note - Lord help us, if some team steals Chip England away from the Spurs.

[z0stix]

Splitter bankin now ...plus royalties from lebron monster block :downspin:

[TrueSpursFan]

Who the F*** is Yannis Koutroupis lmao Why are there so many clueless "NBA experts" out there lol


Hoopsworld writer I think

[silverblackfan]

Who the F*** is Yannis Koutroupis lmao Why are there so many clueless "NBA experts" out there lol
Pretty funny, if Tiago's contract forces the other big men to ask for even more money. CIA to force the other teams to overpay and later have to trade some key pieces in the future.

[therealtruth]

Internal improvement is big for the Spurs now. Kawhi, Green, and Splitter will need to up their game. Pop can't keep holding them back because of the big 3.

[Nathan89]

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Nice regular season video.

[davidbowie]

Welcome back big dog!!!! Lets do this. Drive for five 2014. We got this!!!!!

[BatManu20]

This site would've gone into full meltdown mode if we let Splitter walk and then somehow didn't sign or trade for another starting-caliber Center. At least we got our starting Center back. Yes, he's overpaid, but that's what starting C's in the NBA command. Fair market value tbh.

[PlayNando]

Good move by the Spurs to lock up this international intelligence for four more years, tbh.

[davidbowie]

Nice regular season video.

So what? He's not a super star. That's what we need him for. So Tim isn't out there. He eats up minutes.

[therealtruth]

Splitter being guarded by a point guard is a complete myth
he posted Fisher and Fisher flopped
that resulted in an offensive foul and everybody said he couldnt guard him

they must have forgotten this game where Brooks tried to play Fisher again and Tiago stayed on the floor and guarded Fisher on the other end
nIhUp1g5QXs

Fisher had a -21 in 12 minutes on the court where he got abused because they thought they could matchup with Tiago with Fisher on the floor
I guess we should start holding it against Tim Duncan that he couldnt score a layup vs Shane Battier to tie the Finals or get the tipin either tbh...

Pretty sure that video just proves Splitter is a scrub.

Pop pulled Splitter from the rotation because he fell for a Dwayne Wade pump fake everyone falls. Meanwhile he lets Manu throw the ball to the Heat 8 times. He blamed Splitter's lack of playing on being injured so much. When he made statements in the past such as it's not fair to the team to play Splitter and that he was playing Splitter as much as he possibly could. The biggest impediment to Splitter being able to help the team is whether Pop is willing to let him.

[chapnis]

Though I understand the disappointment with the amount and years, it's a fair deal.

Think about it like this: if Splitter walked, who would replace him? On the current roster, I'm not going to pretend that Baynes would get a chance, we all know it would be Bonner getting major minutes. And for free agency, it's not like some great free agent would be begging to come over for the same amount that Splitter just got. Milsapp isn't that great, and we'd have to watch Tim get chewed up and grinded down to a shell of himself against opposing bigs. Al Jefferson couldn't defend a pick-and-roll to save his life, and Utah changed their coverage every way they could to try to turn Jefferson into just an average defender and nothing worked. Jefferson wasn't going to be able to hang on the court with TD against Miami either. And he would have cost a lot more than Splitter. Don't like 4/36 for Splitter? Try 4/50 for Jefferson, it's not so grand.

finally, a good take on st.

[HI-FI]

not a horrible deal but not a steal. we were in a quandary, and went with the devil we knew vs. the devil we didn't know.

I just hope Tiago continues to improve or at least grows more intestinal fortitude. He's not RJ levels of pussery, but he definitely needs to do more to help out.

[Darius McCrary]

The major problem I can see with keeping Splitter around that long is that the Spurs HAVE to find a pick and roll passer/ball handler asap. Manu is nearing his last days as a player, and Splitter always thrived (in the regular season at least) with a tall pick and roll passer like Manu giving him easy looks.

[timvp]

The major problem I can see with keeping Splitter around that long is that the Spurs HAVE to find a pick and roll passer/ball handler asap. Manu is nearing his last days as a player, and Splitter always thrived (in the regular season at least) with a tall pick and roll passer like Manu giving him easy looks.

Statistically, the last time I checked, the pick-and-rolls with Parker and Splitter were more effective than the pick-and-rolls with Ginobili and Splitter.

[Dverde]

It was in the 7M to 9M range to me. Splitter made out pretty well. I like that it is only a 4 year contract that locks him up for his prime years. Hopefully he continues to improve. I'm partial to the move. The key is to find a new sixth man that can create on the dribble and moving Manu to role player status.

[freetiago]

Statistically, the last time I checked, the pick-and-rolls with Parker and Splitter were more effective than the pick-and-rolls with Ginobili and Splitter.

Parkers career high games in assists have come with him primarily passing to Splitter
the Ginobili-Splitter pick and roll is only more effective when Matt Bonner is on the floor since Manu loves the skip pass so much

[Tuddy]

Splitter being guarded by a point guard is a complete myth
he posted Fisher and Fisher flopped
that resulted in an offensive foul and everybody said he couldnt guard him

they must have forgotten this game where Brooks tried to play Fisher again and Tiago stayed on the floor and guarded Fisher on the other end
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Fisher had a -21 in 12 minutes on the court where he got abused because they thought they could matchup with Tiago with Fisher on the floor
I guess we should start holding it against Tim Duncan that he couldnt score a layup vs Shane Battier to tie the Finals or get the tipin either tbh...

Freetiago do you thin when Splitter has the ball in the post and has an advantage with a smaller player on him, he rushes a bit so he can do has move before he gets doubled?

[freetiago]

Pretty sure that video just proves Splitter is a scrub.

Pop pulled Splitter from the rotation because he fell for a Dwayne Wade pump fake everyone falls. Meanwhile he lets Manu throw the ball to the Heat 8 times. He blamed Splitter's lack of playing on being injured so much. When he made statements in the past such as it's not fair to the team to play Splitter and that he was playing Splitter as much as he possibly could. The biggest impediment to Splitter being able to help the team is whether Pop is willing to let him.

and people wont acknowledge the fact that Popovitch at least intially respected Splitter defensive capabilties enough to even think of putting him on Wade who is statistically one of the best NBA Finals performers of all time
he wouldnt ever try that if the team had an Al Jefferson/Gortat or whoever else Spurfan thinks they could magically sign

[DPG21920]

Does everyone think that fourth year is fully guaranteed? Splitter had the Spurs over a barrel it seems and again, props for the Spurs stepping up to do what they can to keep the hopes alive for Tim/TP/Manu. I just wonder that with this money for Tiago, even though it does not impact the cap space Spurs could have this year, if it will force them to not go after FA's.

The part that is odd to me is that ASIK got his money because they were going to play him a lot of minutes and give him a shot to produce. Splitter got an amazing deal because he doesn't have to play starters minutes and he doesn't have to perform overall like ASIK for similar money.

[benefactor]

A lot of NBA writers hating on this deal. Think he's just a Splitter hater though.

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:lol Yannis
:lol hoopsworld
:lol shit basketball news
:lol has failed harder over the years than the WTC support system

[timvp]

Parkers career high games in assists have come with him primarily passing to Splitter
the Ginobili-Splitter pick and roll is only more effective when Matt Bonner is on the floor since Manu loves the skip pass so much

Yeah, Manu and Splitter pick-and-rolls don't work unless the three other players on the court are shooters. Parker and Splitter pick-and-rolls work in more situations -- mostly because Parker is a threat to turn the corner ... and Ginobili isn't at this point in his career.

[elemento]

I'd like to know two things

His salary next season and if the last year is fully guaranteed. Anyone knows it? Bruno, ace ?

[freetiago]

Freetiago do you thin when Splitter has the ball in the post and has an advantage with a smaller player on him, he rushes a bit so he can do has move before he gets doubled?

no one really doubles Splitter
and no one has really seen enough of him in the post to get a complete scouting report on what he can do
the only thing I know he does too much that he shouldnt is that step-through move
its pre-scripted move he tries to pull off that usually doesnt create space on the inital fake and then he "steps-through" right into defenders body
it should be a more natural reaction then the way he does it
I actually think he is too patient in the post trying all the step-through and pump fakes and he should just look to go to his right hand hook immediately more instead of always going left
no one really respects his shot so he can get it off a lot easier

[Trill Clinton]

i hope he spends some time on tweeking that ugly ass hook shot of his and keeping the ball up high. at this point we have no choice but to keep him so i'm not really surprised.

[sexinthatsx]

WHAT IF... this ended up being a Sign and Trade situation for another Center instead???

[benefactor]

Does everyone think that fourth year is fully guaranteed? Splitter had the Spurs over a barrel it seems and again, props for the Spurs stepping up to do what they can to keep the hopes alive for Tim/TP/Manu. I just wonder that with this money for Tiago, even though it does not impact the cap space Spurs could have this year, if it will force them to not go after FA's.

The part that is odd to me is that ASIK got his money because they were going to play him a lot of minutes and give him a shot to produce. Splitter got an amazing deal because he doesn't have to play starters minutes and he doesn't have to perform overall like ASIK for similar money.
I'd be pretty surprised if it was. The unguaranteed final year is basically a staple in how they have structured contracts outside of the Big 3. You'd think they learned their lesson with the RJ deal too.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Can we have Duncan sit the season out and tank? Tim can get a nice year-long break before coming back the season after next when we can draft a lottery guy to play with him.

We were gifted the Finals last season via trash Lakers and no Westbrook. I don't think we can be that lucky again. Fuck every team that was in Splitter's ear, ratcheting up his price. I hope they all get Portland Trailblazer disease.

[DPG21920]

For sure, the difference is with RJ vs Tiago we have seen success with Tiago before signing him to a large contract. :lol

Whats funny to me is the only time the Spurs seem to get steals on contracts is with their best players. When it comes to outside the big 3, they have to throw down some big (and sometimes questionable) money for their FA's like RJ and Splitter.

TP signed a 4 year/41M* deal :wow (*guaranteed money). Tiago, assuming it's fully guaranteed, just got 5M less than a prime TP :lol

[Chinook]

For sure, the difference is with RJ vs Tiago we have seen success with Tiago before signing him to a large contract. :lol

Whats funny to me is the only time the Spurs seem to get steals on contracts is with their best players. When it comes to outside the big 3, they have to throw down some big (and sometimes questionable) money for their FA's like RJ and Splitter.

TP signed a 4 year/41M* deal :wow (*guaranteed money). Tiago, assuming it's fully guaranteed, just got 5M less than a prime TP :lol

So do you consider Green to be one of the team's top players? His deal looks like a huge steal considering what Redick just got.

[timvp]

TP signed a 4 year/41M* deal :wow (*guaranteed money). Tiago, assuming it's fully guaranteed, just got 5M less than a prime TP :lol

TP's agent was dumb, tbh. He negotiated that contract when Parker's value was at the lowest of his career.

Great move by the Spurs but, damn, that was dumb.

[DPG21920]

So do you consider Green to be one of the team's top players? His deal looks like a huge steal considering what Redick just got.

I mean big 3.

[Chinook]

I mean big 3.

I know. I'm just talking about when you said they only get steals on their best players. Right now, they have three great non-rookie contracts in Parker, Duncan and Green. Hopefully Ginobili makes it four.

[Nathan89]

So what? He's not a super star. That's what we need him for. So Tim isn't out there. He eats up minutes.

I'd take more regular season losses.

[tlongII]

Personally I think he's overpaid at 4 yrs/$36M. I'm glad we didn't sign him.

[DPG21920]

TP's agent was dumb, tbh. He negotiated that contract when Parker's value was at the lowest of his career.

Great move by the Spurs but, damn, that was dumb.

Sure, but TP said he was not greedy. His value was low and he said he just wanted security, but there is a pattern with Tim/TP that they give pretty steep discounts. Tiago is not them, so this is his first big pay day and it's to be expected he goes HAM, but the fact is Tiago just got paid slightly less than a top 10 NBA player on our team and will likely be the third highest paid player on the Spurs despite only having to play 25MPG.

[DPG21920]

I know. I'm just talking about when you said they only get steals on their best players. Right now, they have three great non-rookie contracts in Parker, Duncan and Green. Hopefully Ginobili makes it four.

I agree overall, but by best players I meant big 3. But yes, Green is on a solid contract too.

[Tuddy]

Splitter being guarded by a point guard is a complete myth
he posted Fisher and Fisher flopped
that resulted in an offensive foul and everybody said he couldnt guard him

they must have forgotten this game where Brooks tried to play Fisher again and Tiago stayed on the floor and guarded Fisher on the other end
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Fisher had a -21 in 12 minutes on the court where he got abused because they thought they could matchup with Tiago with Fisher on the floor
I guess we should start holding it against Tim Duncan that he couldnt score a layup vs Shane Battier to tie the Finals or get the tipin either tbh...

Freetiago do you thin when Splitter has the ball in the post and has an advantage with a smaller player on him, he rushes a bit so he can do has move before he gets doubled?

[MannyIsGod]

Statistically, the last time I checked, the pick-and-rolls with Parker and Splitter were more effective than the pick-and-rolls with Ginobili and Splitter.

That may be the case but with the first unit there's going to be more action with Tim Duncan and Parker than Splitter and Parker. Splitter became more of the focus with Manu when Parker and Duncan went to the bench.

Going forward we're also going to see a lot more of an effort to get Kawhi the ball, I think. Maybe this means that Splitter's role in the offense goes down (but then so does his value to the Spurs) but I still think with the bench unit he'll need someone to run PnR with.

[MannyIsGod]

Personally I think he's overpaid at 4 yrs/$36M. I'm glad we didn't sign him.

Well if any team knows about overpaying bigmen..

[freetiago]

That may be the case but with the first unit there's going to be more action with Tim Duncan and Parker than Splitter and Parker. Splitter became more of the focus with Manu when Parker and Duncan went to the bench.

Going forward we're also going to see a lot more of an effort to get Kawhi the ball, I think. Maybe this means that Splitter's role in the offense goes down (but then so does his value to the Spurs) but I still think with the bench unit he'll need someone to run PnR with.

De Colo is still on the team tbh..
Splitter put up like 18/9 vs Miami when De Colo was feeding him

[Mugen]

Personally I think he's overpaid at 4 yrs/$36M. I'm glad we didn't sign him.

One soft bigman in Aldrige is enough tbh.

[SpursFan4-Life]

He's a 7fter who is great against all lineups except small ball, he got paid exactly what his value is

[Budkin]

Spurs realize there's no way they can keep Kawhi long-term. He'll be a max contract sort of player.

:lol Kawhi is our future no way they let him walk.

[tesseractive]

Sure, but TP said he was not greedy. His value was low and he said he just wanted security, but there is a pattern with Tim/TP that they give pretty steep discounts. Tiago is not them, so this is his first big pay day and it's to be expected he goes HAM, but the fact is Tiago just got paid slightly less than a top 10 NBA player on our team and will likely be the third highest paid player on the Spurs despite only having to play 25MPG.
Don't forget: at his age, it's the only big payday he can count on.

[Baam]

Holy shit worst deal ever, RC got punked. Nobody was even bidding in the first place. Way to shit the bed.

Splitter is now worth two Boris Diaw or two Danny Green.

:downspin:

[DPG21920]

Don't forget: at his age, it's the only big payday he can count on.

I agree. I am happy for Tiago.

[Baam]

I agree. I am happy for Tiago.

And Bonner, don't forget Bonner, so happy two great Finals performer got paid.

15M on regular season wins...

[look_at_g_shred]

Everybody is unhappy with the signing lol. Could we have gotten any one better to replace Splitter (realistically). If we didn't sign him, you'd all b regretting it next season. I promise you that. Tiago is a player that doesn't come around very often. Smh taking him for granted. I'm glad he's back with the team.

[stephen jackson]

De Colo is still on the team tbh..
Splitter put up like 18/9 vs Miami when De Colo was feeding him

who is this women in your lovely sig?

[Baam]

Everybody is unhappy with the signing lol. Could we have gotten any one better to replace Splitter (realistically). If we didn't sign him, you'd all b regretting it next season. I promise you that. Tiago is a player that doesn't come around very often. Smh taking him for granted. I'm glad he's back with the team.

There's plenty of Tiago Splitter, guy is the definition of a one trick Pony.

Give me a younger/cheaper Robin Lopez or just a superior and tougher Gortat any day.

[look_at_g_shred]

There's plenty of Tiago Splitter, guy is the definition of a one trick Pony.

Give me a younger/cheaper Robin Lopez or just a superior and tougher Gortat any day.
Yeah but are they really going to sign up for the Spurs? Nope I doubt it. Tiago is a fantastic player with a high BBIQ..something this league lacks.

[rascal]

WHAT IF... this ended up being a Sign and Trade situation for another Center instead???

Forget about it. The spurs are coming back with the same team with maybe a small non difference maker addition.

[Baam]

Splitter makes more than Asik and Ilyasova, how did Splitter's agent manage to do that? We now have a playoffs Bargnani on our hands.


Richard Jefferson 2.0 : it doesn't work so let's just throw more money at him.

[TE]

Glad Tiago is coming back. Now lets focus on bringing Manu back and picking up a backup pg through free agency.

[Baam]

Glad the direction taken by the FO is so clear, won't order the league pass, I've seen this movie before, I'm good.

[DPG21920]

Glad Tiago is coming back. Now lets focus on bringing Manu back and picking up a backup pg through free agency.

Spurs need a little more than that IMO. Hopefully, they can land an impact FA.

[bthewigwam]

Compared to other deals for bigs, I'm happy. I agree with a previous poster that this place would be in meltdown mode if Tiago left and there's nobody to replace him with.

I'm guessing Manu's a lock. Other than that, I know there's a lot of Bonner haters out there with good reason, but I think he offers more of a skillset than Neal, especially as far as team D, and imo I thought he showed up a little more in this year's playoffs (which isn't saying much).

For people who seem to have good info here, is it safe to say we get 3 of the 4 out of Manu, Neal, Bonner, and AK with the current news?

[Baam]

Spurs need a little more than that IMO. Hopefully, they can land an impact FA.

We ain't getting anything else, the band is back together as constructed and we're now getting weaker for sure as Tim and Manu decline.

[Kidd K]

It's a bit more than I expected he'd be getting. . .I was really hoping for something in the range of 7.5m, but at least it's not 10m+ I guess.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'd rather he add some legit post moves instead of being so dependent on the pick n roll for most of his offense.
He has that sick up and under move where he shoots from his waist and then looks at the ref

[TheGoldStandard]

:lol Kawhi is our future no way they let him walk.

Someone is going to throw some ridiculous money at him.

[T Park]

Spurs need a little more than that IMO. Hopefully, they can land an impact FA.


With what mystical money?

[DPG21920]

With what mystical money?

Yeesh. Have you not seen many of us explain the Spurs cap situation?

[DesignatedT]

Spurs better amnesty Bonner. Just sayin' . Ridiculous.

[Spanklin]

Son of a bitch!

No way we sign Josh Smith now.

We just got screwed hard.

Timmy got screwed the hardest. No more championships for him now.

All that's left is giving Ginobili the max.

Shoot me in the head.

[TheGoldStandard]

That may be the case but with the first unit there's going to be more action with Tim Duncan and Parker than Splitter and Parker. Splitter became more of the focus with Manu when Parker and Duncan went to the bench.

Going forward we're also going to see a lot more of an effort to get Kawhi the ball, I think. Maybe this means that Splitter's role in the offense goes down (but then so does his value to the Spurs) but I still think with the bench unit he'll need someone to run PnR with.

Yup, We paid a guy 9M for 24 minutes of service to occupy space when Tim Duncan and Parker are running pick in roll because Parker is not targeting Tiago when Duncan is on the floor. Manu was the only guy who was willing to pass the ball to him but coming back in a diminished role I don't think we will see much more of that so just about the same amount. So does Tiago's minutes go up? Nope, probably not, will his production go up? It will have to in order to sustain whatever drop off we can expect from Tim Duncan over the course of this next season. Will he get plays called for him? No, because the offense still goes through Tony Parker and now more will go through Kawhi Leonard. So, he's earning 4/36 to occupy a space that nobody else could occupy..

[Captivus]

Spurs better amnesty Bonner. Just sayin' . Ridiculous.

That makes too much sense...wont happen. Is too late now.

[Spanklin]

Please Josh Smith, please please please sign for an unreasonable $12,000,000.00. I guarantee you that all the championships you win for us will more than make up what you lose in annual salary. Plus, we don't have a 10% income tax so you save that much more.

Please sign with us, Josh. You're our best chance at getting Timmy two more rings!

[TheGoldStandard]

That makes too much sense...wont happen. Is too late now.

They'll probably offer him an extension.

[TrainOfThought5]

Baynes is going to outplay Splitter per 48 next year. book it.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

So much ignorance in this thread.

Splitter had a horrible Finals but otherwise a very good year. He plays tough defence, passes well, can be deadly on the pnr, and has court smarts. He was always going to get $8-10mil/yr from someone because big men get overpaid in the NBA.

Not a great deal, not a terrible one, and he's easy to move on that contract if the team wants to.

As for those saying "let him walk", how then do you replace him with a guy of equal or better talent for less money??? :rolleyes

[Baam]

Baynes is going to outplay Splitter per 48 next year. book it.

Yep but we're on the hook for 4 years. More than what Omer Asik is making, unbelievable.

[Captivus]

Baynes is going to outplay Splitter per 48 next year. book it.

I have almost no doubt about that, if he averages more than 10 min.

[TheGoldStandard]

Baynes is going to outplay Splitter per 48 next year. book it.

Baynes won't even touch the floor. They have the same unit, where does he get minutes?

[Baam]

So much ignorance in this thread.

Splitter had a horrible Finals but otherwise a very good year. He plays tough defence, passes well, can be deadly on the pnr, and has court smarts. He was always going to get $8-10mil/yr from someone because big men get overpaid in the NBA.

Not a great deal, not a terrible one, and he's easy to move on that contract if the team wants to.

As for those saying "let him walk", how then do you replace him with a guy of equal or better talent for less money??? :rolleyes

Worst player in two series, missed most of a third one. Boris Diaw had a much better PO run.

Robin Lopez and Gortat make less money, Splitter is basically paid like an "elite" big man lol.

[TE]

Spurs need a little more than that IMO. Hopefully, they can land an impact FA.

What pickup would you suggest, IYO?

[elmanutres]

spurs doing dumb shit in the summer as usual.

[Baam]

Makes me so sad for Tim...

[DPG21920]

What pickup would you suggest, IYO?


Well, that is good news. AK47, within the hopeful 6-8M the Spurs could reasonable hope to have in cap space, is one of my top choices. Really hope that is true. Having everyone back outside of Bonner/Blair/Neal from last year's squad plus an AK47 would be tremendous. His health is of a big concern, but when healthy he is a great fit. Another really solid defender and play maker from the 3/4 spot.

[Baam]

AK47 isn't coming off the bench behind Tiago the vagina get real DPG.

[coyotes_geek]

Baynes is going to outplay Splitter per 48 next year. book it.

:lmao

Uh, no.

[Baam]

What I wonder is how much he would have gotten paid had he not shat the bed two year in a row in the POs... 15M?

[kobexxx]

He's the future of this franchise? Way to go... and how many times did he loose the ball going to the rim vs the small miami line-up. Wade can block him easy..

[Baam]

:lmao

Uh, no.

He's going to rebound better for sure, and he has a good looking jumper, and just looks much tougher both mentally and physically so yeah...

[benefactor]

Could be worse...the Spurs could have given 30 million to Kevin Fucking Martin.

[TE]

Oh okay, thanks for pulling that up. I don't think AK-47 will leave his situation in Minny. He wants a bigger role than some bench role player. It would be a nice pickup but it's not happening.

[palangi]

Baynes won't even touch the floor. They have the same unit, where does he get minutes?
my guess would be blair regular season minutes. and timmy and diaw could get their minutes cut a bit more as well as pop saves them for the playoffs. there are 10-15 minutes to be had. especially if he shows something in the summer league.

[TrainOfThought5]

:lmao

Uh, no.

he will.

[ducks]

what tell you see what oden will make
what tell you see what andrew will make
is dw really worth the max?

[manufan10]

We should at least see Baynes play some significant minutes before we start crowning him as better than such and such a player.

I guess some of you didn't learn from Pops Mensah-Bonsu or Ian Mahinmi. Don't get your hopes up.

[weebo]

:lmao told you all yesterday Splitter would be back ....gortat? oden? :lmao

[Baam]

We should at least see Baynes play some significant minutes before we start crowning him as better than such and such a player.

I guess some of you didn't learn from Pops Mensah-Bonsu or Ian Mahinmi. Don't get your hopes up.


He started in the POs and held the Lakers to 4 points in 8 minutes locking up Dwight like he was born to do it.

[coyotes_geek]

He's going to rebound better for sure, and he has a good looking jumper, and just looks much tougher both mentally and physically so yeah...

If Baynes were a better player than Splitter, he'd have made the NBA a long time ago and would be making a hell of a lot more than league minimum. Baynes' ceiling is sticking on an NBA roster as a garbage time player.

[coyotes_geek]

Could be worse...the Spurs could have given 30 million to Kevin Fucking Martin.

Troof.

[manufan10]

He started in the POs and held the Lakers to 4 points in 8 minutes locking up Dwight like he was born to do it.

As I said, we should wait until he plays significant minutes and on a consistent basis at that. He has a lot of work to do.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Worst player in two series, missed most of a third one. Boris Diaw had a much better PO run.

Robin Lopez and Gortat make less money, Splitter is basically paid like an "elite" big man lol.

No, Splitter is paid like an average to good big man. Elite big men get the max, and plenty of sub-elite good bigmen too. This contract is exactly what was expected, will be easy to move if the Spurs want to.

Why are you still here? You said you're sick of the Spurs, so leave.

[Baam]

No, Splitter is paid like an average to good big man. Elite big men get the max, and plenty of sub-elite good bigmen too. This contract is exactly what was expected, will be easy to move if the Spurs want to.

Why are you still here? You said you're sick of the Spurs, so leave.

I enjoy seeing people like you trying their hardest to get excited about it.

[Stabula]

Sign and trade?

[DPG21920]

Oh okay, thanks for pulling that up. I don't think AK-47 will leave his situation in Minny. He wants a bigger role than some bench role player. It would be a nice pickup but it's not happening.

Disagree, look at what Minny is doing: 30M for Kevin Martin, 16M for Chase Budinger...not exactly signaling "we want AK', but we will see..

[TE]

Disagree, look at what Minny is doing: 30M for Kevin Martin, 16M for Chase Budinger...not exactly signaling "we want AK', but we will see..

Oh idk that.

LOL Kevin Martin

[mosdef17]

Forgive me is this question has already been asked or if it is too obvious. We extended a qualifying offer to Tiago at $4.9m and now if we sign him for $36m over 4 years does that mean he will go on the books for (assuming contract is not front or back loaded);

Season 13/14: $4.9m
Season 14/15: $9m
Season 15/16: $9m
Season 16/17: $9m
Season 17/18: $9m

I guess my question is, will his extension kick in for the 14/15 season? Thus not affecting our cap space this offseason?

Thanks.

[DPG21920]

Forgive me is this question has already been asked or if it is too obvious. We extended a qualifying offer to Tiago at $4.9m and now if we sign him for $36m over 4 years does that mean he will go on the books for (assuming contract is not front or back loaded);

Season 13/14: $4.9m
Season 14/15: $9m
Season 15/16: $9m
Season 16/17: $9m
Season 17/18: $9m

I guess my question is, will his extension kick in for the 14/15 season? Thus not affecting our cap space this offseason?

Thanks.

Good question. The QO is simply a place holder for players in Tiago's situation to make him a restricted free agent. If he does what he just did (agrees to a deal with the Spurs for 4 years/36M), that deal supercedes the qualifying offer and starts that same year.

[DAF86]

Man, this last finals loss hasn't sit well with Spurs' fans. Bunch of retarded, shortsighted opinions everywhere, even from good posters.

[Keepin' it real]

Makes me so sad for Tim...

I know. They had such a crappy season. No chemistry at all, especially on defense. Woe is Tim.

[coyotes_geek]

Forgive me is this question has already been asked or if it is too obvious. We extended a qualifying offer to Tiago at $4.9m and now if we sign him for $36m over 4 years does that mean he will go on the books for (assuming contract is not front or back loaded);

Season 13/14: $4.9m
Season 14/15: $9m
Season 15/16: $9m
Season 16/17: $9m
Season 17/18: $9m

I guess my question is, will his extension kick in for the 14/15 season? Thus not affecting our cap space this offseason?

Thanks.

The qualifying offer is just the minimum contract you have to offer to keep restricted rights on a guy. When you agree to an actual deal, the new contract replaces the qualifying offer. So take the $4.9 off your table and move everything up a year and that's what it looks like, again assuming that Tiago's deal is a flat $9mil/yr (which we don't know yet).

[DPG21920]

Guaransheed CG gets quoted.

[Chinook]

Someone is going to throw some ridiculous money at him.

No, they won't. The Spurs will extend him next summer.

[SpursDynasty]

I would not have signed Splitter. Splitter cost the Spurs the championship. Easily the 2nd worst Spur in history behind Ime Udoka.

[KL2]

Lets just hope Baynes gets actual playing time and develops into an NBA player, which I think he can definitely do, because if SA plays MIA again they are FUCKED with Splitter on the roster.


They MUST get someone to help them beat MIA, hopefully they get Ak 47.

[Bill_Brasky]

Great signing. We need Tiago.

[Budkin]

So much ignorance in this thread.

Splitter had a horrible Finals but otherwise a very good year. He plays tough defence, passes well, can be deadly on the pnr, and has court smarts. He was always going to get $8-10mil/yr from someone because big men get overpaid in the NBA.

Not a great deal, not a terrible one, and he's easy to move on that contract if the team wants to.

As for those saying "let him walk", how then do you replace him with a guy of equal or better talent for less money??? :rolleyes

Bingo.

[FkLA]

Welcome back golden god. :flag:

[TheGoldStandard]

No, they won't. The Spurs will extend him next summer.

For how much?

[mosdef17]

Good question. The QO is simply a place holder for players in Tiago's situation to make him a restricted free agent. If he does what he just did (agrees to a deal with the Spurs for 4 years/36M), that deal supercedes the qualifying offer and starts that same year.


Thanks for that. That's what I assumed. I was just hoping it wouldn't be the case. So I guess all it did is add maybe $4.1m (difference between $4.9 QO and $9m annual salary) to our salary next year with Manu still being a free agent.

So we basically have no cap space left for someone like AK47? Our current salary without Gary Neal and Manu is $50.8m. Salary cap next year is $58.5m so that only leaves us with $7.7m cap space without Manu and Neal. If we re-signed both you'd assume that would take us to $60m+

[Russ]

:toast

As I was saying . . .

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218679&p=6709038#post6709038

[BackHome]

I know this has been thrown around but with this signing what are our chances of getting AK? Do we have to Amnesty Bonner and let Nwal walk in order to get him signed?

[DPG21920]

Thanks for that. That's what I assumed. I was just hoping it wouldn't be the case. So I guess all it did is add maybe $4.1m (difference between $4.9 QO and $9m annual salary) to our salary next year with Manu still being a free agent.

So we basically have no cap space left for someone like AK47? Our current salary without Gary Neal and Manu is $50.8m. Salary cap next year is $58.5m so that only leaves us with $7.7m cap space without Manu and Neal. If we re-signed both you'd assume that would take us to $60m+

Well, currently they don't have cap space, but in reality they can clear about 7M-8M maybe if they need to. The easy part is letting Blair and Neal walk and using the amnesty on Bonner. At that point, they will have about 12M in cap space before signing Manu. So assuming Manu is back, Spurs will have what is left over from Manu's contract subtracting from the 12M.

[manufan10]

I know this has been thrown around but with this signing what are our chances of getting AK? Do we have to Amnesty Bonner and let Nwal walk in order to get him signed?

Depends on what happens with Manu and Gary Neal. Also, it would help if the Spurs amnestied Matt Bonner.

[Chinook]

For how much?

It doesn't matter, due to it not kicking in until after the Big Three era is over. But since you asked, I'd say it really depends on how he performs next year. Right now, $44M/4 is pretty good, considering his upside. But by next summer, he could be looking at $65M/5, which is about the going rate for a borderline all-star. If he blows up and gets first- or second-team All-NBA, he could get a max deal extension, which is like $80/5..

[tomtom]

Good signing, not like the Spurs were gonna get anyone better. A little higher than I would've wanted but like everyone knows, big men get paid. Now here's to hoping to stops that stupid hook shot from his waist and maybe learn a post move or two. A simple shot fake up and under would bring so much more value.

[lurker23]

I know this has been thrown around but with this signing what are our chances of getting AK? Do we have to Amnesty Bonner and let Nwal walk in order to get him signed?

Yes, unless Kirilenko is going to take the MLE (4 years/$22 million) or Manu is going to take the room exception (2 years/$5 million), both of which seem relatively unlikely.

[TheGreatYacht]

Well, currently they don't have cap space, but in reality they can clear about 7M-8M maybe if they need to. The easy part is letting Blair and Neal walk and using the amnesty on Bonner. At that point, they will have about 12M in cap space before signing Manu. So assuming Manu is back, Spurs will have what is left over from Manu's contract subtracting from the 12M.The other way around. The Spurs have the 12M available to sign any free agent(s) of their like and offer Manu whatever remains. If most of the money is used then Manu will take the room exception or MLE depending on whether the Spurs are under or over the cap.

[T Park]

Yeesh. Have you not seen many of us explain the Spurs cap situation?

Not enough to sign an "impact.

And no. You can the hundreds of morons making the forum barely readable now.

[TheGreatYacht]

Want to know what I think about the Spurs signing Tiago Splitter for $36M/4YR contract?http://25.media.tumblr.com/63ce271b03702c3d4ef931c2da7f7126/tumblr_mf953p6mzm1s0u3odo1_r2_500.gif

[DPG21920]

Not enough to sign an "impact.

And no. You can the hundreds of morons making the forum barely readable now.

You don't think AK47 is an impact player?

[FireMicoHalili]

The Spurs weren't going to get anyone better than Splitter.
Gortat :/ Gortat actually has a midrange game. Can offer flexibility next year. Also tough as nails. Splitter isn't even playing for Brazilian the national team when he needs some more experience. $9M for six rebounds a game? Damn. Gortat can give us more for just $8M.

[ElNono]

lol meltdown

Adding AK47 would be nice, but I would really prefer somebody that can create his own shot and has a bit more offense, especially if Neal is walking...

[FireMicoHalili]

just to be clear, we can still trade him right? At least we won't walk away empty-handed. Might just happen to the Lakers.

[ducks]

Man, this last finals loss hasn't sit well with Spurs' fans. Bunch of retarded, shortsighted opinions everywhere, even from good posters.

someone is butt hurt manu sucks now

[Baam]

just to be clear, we can still trade him right? At least we won't walk away empty-handed. Might just happen to the Lakers.

Nobody is interested get real, the Blazer just made up some rumors to fuck with the Spurs like they love to do.

[FireMicoHalili]

David Robinson retired, but at least we had Timmy to keep the ball rolling. In the event Timmy retires we get left with...Tiago Splitter.

H O R R I B L E

[TheGoldStandard]

David Robinson retired, but at least we had Timmy to keep the ball rolling. In the event Timmy retires we get left with...Tiago Splitter.

H O R R I B L E

Don't be sad.. Tiago is developing the Hook of Doom..

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Man, this last finals loss hasn't sit well with Spurs' fans. Bunch of retarded, shortsighted opinions everywhere, even from good posters.

Happens every year, although particularly bad this year. Where do all these morons come from all of a sudden?


Gortat :/ Gortat actually has a midrange game. Can offer flexibility next year. Also tough as nails. Splitter isn't even playing for Brazilian the national team when he needs some more experience. $9M for six rebounds a game? Damn. Gortat can give us more for just $8M.

I like Gortat, but he was ordinary last year after he got his big contract. I wonder whether he really cares about winning or not.

And who's to say the Spurs won't trade Splitter for him if they really like him? Splitter's salary starts at 7.8mil, so it's an easy trade to make.

[TheGoldStandard]

Happens every year, although particularly bad this year. Where do all these morons come from all of a sudden?



I like Gortat, but he was ordinary last year after he got his big contract. I wonder whether he really cares about winning or not.

And who's to say the Spurs won't trade Splitter for him if they really like him? Splitter's salary starts at 7.8mil, so it's an easy trade to make.

Kind of hard to be productive on that shitty Suns team.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Nobody is interested get real, the Blazer just made up some rumors to fuck with the Spurs like they love to do.

You really know fuck all about the NBA, don't you? At 7.8mil next year for a good big, Splitter is eminently tradeable. :rolleyes

[ohmwrecker]

Gortat :/ Gortat actually has a midrange game. Can offer flexibility next year. Also tough as nails. Splitter isn't even playing for Brazilian the national team when he needs some more experience. $9M for six rebounds a game? Damn. Gortat can give us more for just $8M.

I don't think there's much difference between the two. Garcin seems to have hit his ceiling, while Splitter was vastly improved this year from 2012. All things considered, Splitter is the better option imo.

[DAF86]

someone is butt hurt manu sucks now

Yeah, that's why I posted that after reading the comments regarding Splitter's deal. :lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Kind of hard to be productive on that shitty Suns team.

Uh, no. Easy to be productive on bad teams - he had a chance to cement himself as a top 10 C in the NBA last year and instead messed around after a strong first 20 games. He was really good on a bad Suns team the year before, but once he got his contract he started deferring to Jermaine O'Neal for fucksake! I have him in a money keeper league and have followed him closely for 3 years. I question his heart after wussing out last year.

[Capt Bringdown]

I've been a big support of Splitter's, hence it was extremely frustrating to see how easily the Heat exposed his flaws. Just hope he develops some more toughness and rigor.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

How could anyone think this is good? He's been non-existent in the biggest games and he has the mental toughness of a 10 year old girl. Horrible move. What does this mean for Kawhi? Cause Kawhi is 100X better and more important than Splitter.

[3 Legged Dog]

The modern DAY NBA for you, weak Centers all around in this league. You get a average to good one you have to overpay.

Yes. Except Splitter is not an average to good center.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

I feel like Pop and RC are losing their minds.

[TheGoldStandard]

He averaged about the same numbers as he did this year as he did last year with less minutes and his playoff numbers were about the same. I just don't see him improving offensively enough to carry the scoring and if you expect others to step in and take the scoring duties then minutes have to be spread out and that makes it more of a liability to reduce minutes to have others on the floor.

[3 Legged Dog]

Splitah gonna add a jumper and shut the haters, pay da man

Nawwwwww. Shittah gonna continue ta play onlee 20 minutes a game and only gonna grab 5 rebounds per game. Donnnnnnt pay Shittah no money.

[DJR210]

Hopefully a sign and trade?

This guy is a fucking pussy, I'm tired of seeing this bitch play like a woman around the rim.

[rold50]

How could anyone think this is good? He's been non-existent in the biggest games and he has the mental toughness of a 10 year old girl. Horrible move. What does this mean for Kawhi? Cause Kawhi is 100X better and more important than Splitter.
Kawhi is not a free agent.

[angelbelow]

Fair deal.. Tiago has his weaknesses but has objectively improved each season he has been here. Lets hope he continues that trend.

[Russ]

Yes. Except Splitter is not an average to good center.

He's a top 10 big man in the NBA.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Kawhi is not a free agent.
Yeah but if he has a monster year teams will come after him, with this contract and others, can the Spurs keep him?

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

He's a top 10 big man in the NBA.

Tim Duncan
Dwight Howard
Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
Chris Bosh
Roy Hibbert
David West
LaMarcus Aldridge
Serge Ibaka
Joakim Noah
Kevin Garnet
Kevin Love

All better than Tiago and I probably missed a few.

[Juan]

Every other NBA fan base forum is laughing at this re-signing. Spurfan is convinced this was necessary and a good move because of the lack of quality big man who have been placed next to TD over the years but this was not a good move and Tiago is not worth 9 damn mil per season. He's worth 4-5 mil a year and everyone knows it. Don't care what other big men are getting. This move will do more harm then good once its all said and done.

You can guard him with a point guard for fucks sake.

[Sean Cagney]

Tim Duncan
Dwight Howard
Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
Chris Bosh
Roy Hibbert
David West
LaMarcus Aldridge
Serge Ibaka
Joakim Noah
Kevin Garnet
Kevin Love

All better than Tiago and I probably missed a few.

Top 15 Center lol. What a weak NBA we are in nowadays as far as BIGS go :(

You missed Brooke Lopez up there too lol. I could go on and on.
Every other NBA fan base forum is laughing at this re-signing. Spurfan is convinced this was necessary and a good move because of the lack of quality big man who have been placed next to TD over the years but this was not a good move and Tiago is not worth 9 damn mil per season. He's worth 4-5 mil a year and everyone knows it. Don't care what other big men are getting. This move will do more harm then good once its all said and done.
I am sure alot of NBA teams have contracts near this bad on their squad, but yes he is overpaid.

BTW who is your team? The Sonics don't exist and the midget is in Minny now.

[-21-]

As much as I like Tiago, I don't like this contract. He's being overpaid... But then again so are all the other bigs in the league. I hope they don't stop looking for another bigman though.

[Baam]

Every other NBA fan base forum is laughing at this re-signing. Spurfan is convinced this was necessary and a good move because of the lack of quality big man who have been placed next to TD over the years but this was not a good move and Tiago is not worth 9 damn mil per season. He's worth 4-5 mil a year and everyone knows it. Don't care what other big men are getting. This move will do more harm then good once its all said and done.

Thank you for speaking the truth, Robin Lopez is getting 5M a year, that's what Tiago should be getting.

[Sean Cagney]

Thank you for speaking the truth, Robin Lopez is getting 5M a year, that's what Tiago should be getting.

COT DAMN make my day worse :( He at most is worth 6 a year I thought, but they go and give him 9.
I feel like Pop and RC are losing their minds.
I have thought this for a good while here.

[L.I.T]

David Robinson retired, but at least we had Timmy to keep the ball rolling. In the event Timmy retires we get left with...Tiago Splitter.

H O R R I B L E

Somehow your sports analysis is worse than Mico Halili's.

[Russ]

Tim Duncan
Dwight Howard
Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
Chris Bosh
Roy Hibbert
David West
LaMarcus Aldridge
Serge Ibaka
Joakim Noah
Kevin Garnet
Kevin Love

All better than Tiago and I probably missed a few.


Chris Bosh
LaMarcus Aldridge
Serge Ibaka
Kevin Garnet

Sorry, those are not NBA "big men." :)

David West

Sorry, Splitter is better than him. (Just watch Indy jump to the phone if such a trade were proposed).

So that leaves seven on your list. :)

[TheGoldStandard]

Every other NBA fan base forum is laughing at this re-signing. Spurfan is convinced this was necessary and a good move because of the lack of quality big man who have been placed next to TD over the years but this was not a good move and Tiago is not worth 9 damn mil per season. He's worth 4-5 mil a year and everyone knows it. Don't care what other big men are getting. This move will do more harm then good once its all said and done.

You can guard him with a point guard for fucks sake.

It's not a shocker because the Spurs have done this before with players, overpaying them because they're afraid to see what else is out there but you would think an organization such as the Spurs would not buy into the "well others teams are offering guys this amount we have to as well" shtick, they have a system that is highly touted, a certain attitude about winning but not about finding the best bang for the buck.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

I have thought this for a good while here.

I refused to believe it, but after Pop benching Timmy with 28 seconds to go in game 6, and now this, I just don't know what else to say. RC and the FO used to be great at signing underrated players and training them up, but look at some recent signings, this, RJ, Gooden, Roger Mason, just not what they used to be. And Pop, he just overreacts and makes crazy rotations at the worst times, then sticks with those crazy rotations hoping they eventually work. Pop used to always trust his best players no matter the situation, not anymore.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Chris Bosh
LaMarcus Aldridge
Serge Ibaka
Kevin Garnet

Sorry, those are not NBA "big men." :)

David West

Sorry, Splitter is better than him. (Just watch Indy jump to the phone if such a trade were proposed).

So that leaves seven on your list. :)

Why don't you consider those guys big men? Cause they can shoot outside shots? Those guys are definitely bigs, and David West is at least strong and tough and puts a lot of effort against top opponents, however he is dumb. Splitter doesn't even bother to show up and he turns the ball over like JR Smith against top competition.

[Russ]

Why don't you consider those guys big men?

Because they aren't. No NBA analyst would consider them so.

Just start a discussion with some NBA expert by saying "I think LaMarcus Aldridge is the best big man in the league."

[TheGoldStandard]

Why don't you consider those guys big men? Cause they can shoot outside shots? Those guys are definitely bigs, and David West is at least strong and tough and puts a lot of effort against top opponents, however he is dumb. Splitter doesn't even bother to show up and he turns the ball over like JR Smith against top competition.

Yeah, those have been considered NBA bigs for at least the last 10 years.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Yeah, those have been considered NBA bigs for at least the last 10 years.

Considering Kevin Garnett not a big is laughable.

[Russ]

Considering Kevin Garnett not a big is laughable.

So how many "bigs" can inhabit an NBA starting lineup at once? Two? Three?

Like I said, just start a discussion with some NBA expert by saying "I think LaMarcus Aldridge is the best big man in the league" and see how far you get.

[Russo21]

So he's gone from underperforming sack of shit to overpayed underperforming sack of shit :ihit great job spurs.

[3 Legged Dog]

...And Tiago is one of the best defensive big men in the league.

Uhhhhhhh. No.

PS
back away from the crack pipe

[Jordanobili2320]

you guys are all insane ripping on Splitter like this. First off, welcome to the NBA, where decent big men are a rare commodity and will get paid no matter what. Let alone this is a big thats a good 1 on 1 defender and plays pick and roll well with our guys/knows how to work with this team. We' d been developing this guy and he's gotten better every single year. I agree that there is a lot to be desired on offense, don't get me started on the flame outs in the west finals against OKC and the finals against the Heat. At the same time you have to realize we probably don't get there without him. He was a candidate for MVP in the WCF this year. His defense on the low block was incredible and was extremely instrumental on why we won that series.

He isn't that old, this contract isn't that big or bad, and last of hall this isn't even close to RASHO 2.0 or whatever all you fucks are saying. It can't be Rasho 2.0 for one MAIN reason....RAHO WAS NEVER GOOD. Tiago is actually productive and useful and a hell of a defender when its a clicking. Rasho was a fucking joke. Swallow your fucking words, get over the fact that we aren't getting a flashy big or whatever you want. This is the Spurs, its what they do and its been working. None of us are pissed at Tiago if Manu hit some fucking free throws or Pop decided to not bench a first ballot hall of famer. Don't take your anger out on a good signing. You are making it seem like we are doomed. Shiiiiiiieeeeeeeet(Clay Davis voice).

[Juggity]

Uhhhhhhh. No.

PS
back away from the crack pipe


Tiago is defensively excellent, very quick footed, and challenges shots well near the basket without fouling.

How many fuckin' years did Spurfans bitch about getting a legitimate defensive-minded frontcourt presence to pair with Duncan? Finally one shows up, and when he starts next to Duncan, the Spurs end up in the NBA finals, one rebound away from a championship.

Are ya fuckin' blind?

[TheGoldStandard]

Tiago is defensively excellent, very quick footed, and challenges shots well near the basket without fouling.

How many fuckin' years did Spurfans bitch about getting a legitimate defensive-minded frontcourt presence to pair with Duncan? Finally one shows up, and when he starts next to Duncan, the Spurs end up in the NBA finals, one rebound away from a championship.

Are ya fuckin' blind?

It just came way too late in Duncan's career. I don't want to be pessimistic but Duncan's decline in inevitable and without a big that can score in the post consistently then we'll be up shits creek.

[benefactor]

Tiago is defensively excellent, very quick footed, and challenges shots well near the basket without fouling.

How many fuckin' years did Spurfans bitch about getting a legitimate defensive-minded frontcourt presence to pair with Duncan? Finally one shows up, and when he starts next to Duncan, the Spurs end up in the NBA finals, one rebound away from a championship.

Are ya fuckin' blind?
Again...they are a bunch of emotionally compromised females who can't think straight. All they see through their tear blurred eyes is the Finals. They can't think ahead or see anything that led up to it.

[anakha]

The vast majority of this forum are a bunch of emotionally compromised females who can't think straight. All they see through their tear blurred eyes is the Finals. They can't think ahead or see anything that led up to it.

FTFY

[spursince#99]

It just came way too late in Duncan's career. I don't want to be pessimistic but Duncan's decline in inevitable and without a big that can score in the post consistently then we'll be up shits creek.


With more added muscle Tiago could be that guy, imo.

[TheGoldStandard]

With more added muscle Tiago could be that guy, imo.

He needs to learn offense.. seriously like a lot of offense.. even against smaller guys he gives up way too much ground and opts for that sissy hook. He also tries to lay the ball up to much, gets blocked by the rim on occasions.

[coyotes_geek]

Just a little something to fire up the natives. :stirpot:


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[Baam]

Again...they are a bunch of emotionally compromised females who can't think straight. All they see through their tear blurred eyes is the Finals. They can't think ahead or see anything that led up to it.

Worst Spur in the Lakers series, missed most of the GS series. Got hacked last year and choked. But him and Bonner are gonna be great in the regular season.

[benefactor]

Worst Spur in the Lakers series, missed most of the GS series. Got hacked last year and choked. But him and Bonner are gonna be great in the regular season.
http://i45.tinypic.com/2po6snr.gif

[manufan10]

Worst Spur in the Lakers series, missed most of the GS series. Got hacked last year and choked. But him and Bonner are gonna be great in the regular season.

Says the guy who thinks Neal is clutch because he hit a shot in the regular season. :lol

[z0sa]

It is his market value but I was really really hoping we signed that soft pussy for less.

[Darius McCrary]

Statistically, the last time I checked, the pick-and-rolls with Parker and Splitter were more effective than the pick-and-rolls with Ginobili and Splitter.

I can buy that. But we need another good passer outta the PnR. Team is too thin at ball handler. Either pray to god CoJo takes a big step, or let Neal walk and grab one, IMO.

[timmy2003]

Centers are over-paid in this league.

[bluebellmaniac]

So how does this affect our cap space? Splitters cap hold was around $7.5M. I assume this isn't effective until the 10th which helps to maintain our cap space and helps to sign FA until then. Or does this shrink our cap space immediately? The order of the signings are important.

[slick'81]

So Evans gets 44 ,spliter 36 h+mmmmmmmmm

[3 Legged Dog]

He's a 7fter who is great against all lineups except small ball, he got paid exactly what his value is

Great? Good God. Pull your head out of your ass. I'd settle for adequate from Shitter. But, great he'll NEVER be. Not even close.

[3 Legged Dog]

Baynes is going to outplay Splitter per 48 next year. book it.

BINGO!!

[TheGoldStandard]

BINGO!!

Won't get enough playing time.

[kaji157]

I do not think that´s his market value at all.
I think we are overpaying because we prefer a player that already knows the system over a player a bit better but that should be trained on it.
i would go and offer splitter 30 millions over 4 seasons with a 5th season player option for 6 millions.
That´s the same ammount and one more year and really reflects his value.
After he choked on two consecutive closing series his marker value should not be over 7.5 millions.

I expected us tosign and trade him for Gortat. But whatever... they are pretty similar.

[Sean Cagney]

BINGO!!

If he outplays Splitter next year I will be thrilled! Honestly he is a steal then. Splitters contract though? Damn.
Won't get enough playing time.

With POP you can bet on this here.

[3 Legged Dog]

:lmao

Uh, no.

Uh, yes.

[cd021]

it's actually 9 mil, and the chance to sign a good free agent gone too. Not good.

Not necessarily. If needed Neal can be let to walk, Bonner can still be amnestied and the Spurs would have between $6.8-7.3 million in cap. All depending on how Splitters 1st year works out (they could in theory they could back load the deal, allowing for millions to be used else where. Duncan ) I assume Manu is being brought back for a salary of $5 million next season. Who knows he could return for the minimum ($1.4)and make us all look like jackasses for questioning the Spurs (that would make our potientail cap space of $10.4-$11 million). The Spurs also can us the MLE after we reach the cap, I believe.

AK47 is still in play. OKC, Miami, Indiana, Clippers, Lakers, & GSW don't have cash to sign him Dallas, Altanta and Houston all are waiting on D12 and he may not be interested in signing with any of those 3 teams. He's 32 and has 11 seasons of NBA experience. He'd want to play for a contender I'd imagine, the Spurs are is only realistic option for that.

[spursince#99]

http://i45.tinypic.com/2po6snr.gif



Dude is that a Nazi symbol?

[rjv]

Dude is that a Nazi symbol?


maybe it's a wan

[cd021]

I do not think that´s his market value at all.
I think we are overpaying because we prefer a player that already knows the system over a player a bit better but that should be trained on it.
i would go and offer splitter 30 millions over 4 seasons with a 5th season player option for 6 millions.
That´s the same ammount and one more year and really reflects his value.
After he choked on two consecutive closing series his marker value should not be over 7.5 millions.

I expected us tosign and trade him for Gortat. But whatever... they are pretty similar.

You're being very naive. Thats about exactly Splitters range. Portland has history of overpaying or trying to pry away players in RFAs (Milsap, Hibbert) 5 years, 45 million gives the spurs extra space to do spread out the money. For all we know he could know he could have a 1st year of $7 million freeing up an additional couple of million for other players.

Splitter can back after that OKC and hit a 74% of his FT's. Miami was a bad match-up for him. Memphis was better and he came up big in key spots (game 3 specifically)He's 28 and a Center thats like at 24 year old guard. Alot of bigs like him play into their late 30's (Wallace, Camby, Thomas, O'neal, )

I'm not sure the rules about trading a player after signing him (without S&T) Last season, Nets resigned Lopez to the max and he couldn't get moved to the deadline. AK47 is still in play and also a player like Al Aminu is a possibility. the Spurs off season is just beginning

[soxxx]

U realize Splitter went from being a bench player to a pretty legit starter, next season I expect his improvements to continue.

Spurs are banking on Splitter being great and being underpaid. Look at Parker, the guy makes 12 million despite being the 3rd best player in the league. It might look like we overpaid now but when its all said and done he might be underpaid, like Parker he obviously deserves max deal but doesnt have it because of Spurs smart management.

[dbreiden83080]

8-9 mil is exactly what most of us thought he was worth. Apparently so did his agent, the spurs, and probably all contending teams for him. It is what it is, the market spoke.

Tim Duncan made 9 mil last year..

10 and 6 gets you 9 mil a year in this league..

[cd021]

Just a little something to fire up the natives. :stirpot:

I like him. He's big and physical. Slow as hell, but i like him.

[TheGoldStandard]

U realize Splitter went from being a bench player to a pretty legit starter, next season I expect his improvements to continue.

Spurs are banking on Splitter being great and being underpaid. Look at Parker, the guy makes 12 million despite being the 3rd best player in the league. It might look like we overpaid now but when its all said and done he might be underpaid, like Parker he obviously deserves max deal but doesnt have it because of Spurs smart management.

He's a starter considering the other "bigs" they have.

[bigdog]

Regardless of him getting blocked and embarrassed in the Finals, Splitter is a pretty good player. Awesome pick and roll player, and after being in the starting lineup, the Spurs defense bumped up to 3rd in the league. He does more than any of us will ever acknowledge, because he's not a dominant force. I, too, wish he was a banger down low that had some post game and blocked tons of shots, but that likely won't happen. Being that scrubs like Diop had big deals, this is a good one for Splitter. It's not his fault that the NBA market for guys over 6'10" demands a lot of money.

[cd021]

So how does this affect our cap space? Splitters cap hold was around $7.5M. I assume this isn't effective until the 10th which helps to maintain our cap space and helps to sign FA until then. Or does this shrink our cap space immediately? The order of the signings are important.

I think he can't sign until like the 10th. So this is unofficial, I believe. If he was renounced then it would could immediately. The Spurs could still agree to sign another player even though they don't have the "cap" officially to do so. For all we know. Neal may be shown the door, Bonner can still be amnestied (during a brief period of 3 days). Manu could sign a really cheap deal (vet min., unlikely but no impossible) and we would have $10.4 million of cap space (assuming Splitters 1st season is $9 million, which it will likely be less). We still can use the MLE, I think after we go past the cap. That would be a $5 million chunk that we could use to sign a player or two.

A similar situation was the Celtics last season, with Terry. They didn't have the physical cap but they agreed to a deal with Terry. They tried an S&T but Dallas didn't want guaranteed deals so they used their MLE after the moratorium was over.

[3 Legged Dog]

Tiago is defensively excellent, very quick footed, and challenges shots well near the basket without fouling.

How many fuckin' years did Spurfans bitch about getting a legitimate defensive-minded frontcourt presence to pair with Duncan? Finally one shows up, and when he starts next to Duncan, the Spurs end up in the NBA finals, one rebound away from a championship.

Are ya fuckin' blind?

You stated that Tiago Splitter "is one of the best defensive big men" and you suggest that I'm blind?

and, by the way, I would rather be blind that watch another minute of that worthless bag of shit playing for my team.

[sexinthatsx]

U realize Splitter went from being a bench player to a pretty legit starter, next season I expect his improvements to continue.

Spurs are banking on Splitter being great and being underpaid. Look at Parker, the guy makes 12 million despite being the 3rd best player in the league. It might look like we overpaid now but when its all said and done he might be underpaid, like Parker he obviously deserves max deal but doesnt have it because of Spurs smart management.

You better get ready to eat crow when this doesn't happen tbh.

[coyotes_geek]

Uh, yes.

:lmao

[cd021]

He's a starter considering the other "bigs" they have.

U don't have a 19.7 P.E.R for nothing. 56% FG% and 74% FT is very impressive. Also his numbers are repressed because he was a bench player until late December. He averaged only 25 minutes a game. 28-30 minutes a game next season could yield bigger production. 13pts, 7.5 rpg, and 1.5 blocks all seem feasible. That isn't that far off from Hibbert numbers this past season.

He's a legit starter in the NBA. That is very clear.

[SpursDynasty21]

What happens to the Spurs cap space? Now that Splitter is back, is all the cap space gone?

[TheGoldStandard]

U don't have a 19.7 P.E.R for nothing. 56% FG% and 74% FT is very impressive. Also his numbers are repressed because he was a bench player until late December. He averaged only 25 minutes a game. 28-30 minutes a game next season could yield bigger production. 13pts, 7.5 rpg, and 1.5 blocks all seem feasible. That isn't that far off from Hibbert numbers this past season.

He's a legit starter in the NBA. That is very clear.
I don't see his minutes increasing that much. I think his averages were helped by the fact that Tim Duncan was beasting last year.

[Sean Cagney]

What happens to the Spurs cap space? Now that Splitter is back, is all the cap space gone?

9.6 million left, Manu will take some of that and if they re-sign NEAL forget it.

[3 Legged Dog]

Won't get enough playing time.

While you might be right; Tiago is too much of a pussy to play more than 24 minutes a game, Timmy is getting old an needs his rest, Bonner's not really a big and Diaw needs his rest too. My point is that Baynes will get his chance. And considering that he (unlike Splitter and Bonner) actually has some explosiveness. Baynes rebounds far better than any Spur who isn't Tim.

if Pop is too stubborn and arrogant to give this kid a chance, then he should entire along with Manu.

[slick'81]

9.6 million left, Manu will take some of that and if they re-sign NEAL forget it.

If that's true noway AK is in the picture

[ElNono]

9.6 million left, Manu will take some of that and if they re-sign NEAL forget it.

They key is amnestying Bonner... that's another $4m there...

[coachmac87]

Seriously whats the first year salary??? Does anybody have details of the annual salary each year??

Or is it 9mil all 4 years?

Geoff Sheen was saying Spurs still have quite a bit cap space...around 11 mil is that true?

[TheGoldStandard]

While to might be right; Tiago is too much of a pussy to play more than 24 minutes a game, Timmy is getting old an needs his rest, Bonner's not really a big and Diaw needs his rest too. My point is that Baynes will get his chance. And considering that he (unlike Splitter and Bonner) actually has some explosiveness. Baynes rebounds far better than any Spur who isn't Tim.

if Pop is too stubborn and arrogant to give this kid a chance, then he should entire along with Manu.

He'll play limited stretches and not with the 1st or 2nd team, he'll be on the 3rd team when everyone else is looking to take shots so he won't get that many touches.

[spurraider21]

If Kirilenko and his camp are expressing interest, its literally retarded to not amnesty Bonner

[TheGoldStandard]

If Kirilenko and his camp are expressing interest, its literally retarded to not amnesty Bonner

Duh, he spreads the floor.